1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: The governor is poisoned in his home county, and one 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: project is to blame. Let's hear from the folks down there. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Ninety three WIVC. It's the Kennel and Casey showing. Look, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: we've been talking about this a lot over the past 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: couple weeks, this Mid State's Corridor project, and even though 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: it is centered in du Bois County, southwest Indiana, it 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: has a profound impact on us because in DOT has 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: come out and said that three hundred plus projects have 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: now been scrapped and canceled due to a lack of funds. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Get this multi billion dollar project rolls on. And we 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: thought because this pole came out those are you recall 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: over Christmas break that showed sixty two percent of the 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: people in du Bois County, Mike Brown's home county, disapprove 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of the job that he's doing. And once we started investigating, 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: we realized it's centered around this Mid State's Corridor project, 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: which is the plan to connect I sixty four to 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: sixty nine, which some people believe being done and being 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: supported by the governor because it would help his distribution business. 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: So he said, let's find out what's actually going on 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: down there. So we got a guy. Just like everything else, 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: we've got a guy joining us down studio, Jason Doser. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: You know him best, probably his producer Jason, who spent 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: well a great deal of your life producing the Tony 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Kats Midday Show producer Jason. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: Hello, Well that was actually about one year with Tony. Yeah, 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: you blow that up a lot, but that's so. But 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: it was a fun time with Tony. Yeah. 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: So I just felt like many years of your. 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: Life I sent around WIBC a while. 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: So, so you went down there. You're a guy who 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: you loved the travel, you loved the idea of the adventure. 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: And we were talking on the phone one day and 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: you said, man, this is a super fascinating story. Why 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: these people are so pissed off down into Boys County. 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: What if I went down there and talk to them myself. 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Well, the idea was to go down initially and just 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: maybe walk around the courthouse square or something. I figure, 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: if sixty to seventy percent of the people are against this, 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: then most everybody would have an opinion good or bad, 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: or at least they would know of it. And then 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: it kind of blew up to perfect timing. They were 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: having a meeting about the mid State's corridor. They do 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: this on a monthly basis where they go to the 44 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: Schnitzelbank restaurant. Right. 45 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: Schnitzelbank, Right, doesn't that just scream Southern Indiana. 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: The Schnitzelbank, right, And and and it's a it's a 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: beautiful German restaurant, but they have a banquet room. Had 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: about one hundred people in there. They told me there 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: would be about one hundred people in there, and there 50 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: were probably more. And a lot of this was because 51 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: they've been sharing your podcast talking about it. Because they 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: can't pick up WIBC like they used to be able 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: to with ten seventy, they can't pick it up down there. 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: So I was amazed when they said when he announced 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: in the middle of the meeting that I was there, 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: and I'm just there for you. I'm not there, I 57 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: you know, you're the one with this whole story. I'm 58 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: just there with the recorder, getting notes and finding out 59 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: what the people think. And there was a huge round 60 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: of applause when they mentioned the Kindall and Casey show. 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: And my initial rex was, how do you people even 62 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: know about it? And of course they're all hold up 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: their phones and they've got the you know, the podcast, 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: but it's very The thing that caught me the most 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: down there was that initially I thought I was in 66 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: a room with just a bunch of Republicans that were 67 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: angry with the mayor. But no, there were Democrats there too, 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: but they were all in Unison. And it's one of 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: the first times I've seen a room of Republicans and 70 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: Democrats all on the same page. You know. Unfortunately it's 71 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: against a Republican, but it's their hometown. 72 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: Boy. 73 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Now, on it was you would think you would go 74 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: to any town, a small town, and they would be proud, 75 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: they would have a sign, you know, as you enter 76 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: the town home of Mike Braun. But no, they don't, 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: and they don't want that sign. 78 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Did you get the feeling, because when we had Jason McCoy, 79 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: who's with the president of the Property Rights Alliance Group 80 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: on last week, I got the feeling a bunch of 81 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: this this. I mean, it's just hatred at this point, 82 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: right And you're gonna play some of this audio for 83 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: us here in just a minute, But a lot of 84 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: it is the people feel they're being sold out because 85 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: Braun's company, this distribution company that he owns down in 86 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: southwest Indiana. The's made a lot of money with it. 87 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Good for him, right, sure, But a lot of people 88 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: feel they're being sold out, that this is going to 89 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: help him make money at the expense of them. Is 90 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: that an accurate statement. 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: Well, yes, and they're not so much pissed off at 92 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: him for trying to make money. They're not upset about that. 93 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: Some of these folks are probably wealthier than Mike brawn is, 94 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: but that's not the point. The point is that they 95 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: have a small community. They don't want it to be 96 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: a Brownsburg, and they don't feel like they need an 97 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: interstate connecting I sixty four to I sixty nine. That 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: would save in theory five to ten minutes of travel time. 99 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: Yet it would take all the traffic away from Jasper. 100 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: So you've got business people that are upset about that. 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: And you've got people again they're upset that literally this 102 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: expressway would run through their front yard. Now they would 103 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: have to give up their homes. One question I asked 104 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: a gentleman, well yesterday, the mister Bartlett Bartel Bartelt. My 105 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: question was this has been in your home for one 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five years in your family. You've got 107 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: a lot of acreage. If they do this, they in 108 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: theory have to pay you double. You're gonna make a 109 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: lot of money. You're gonna be wealthier than Mike Braun. 110 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: And of course you've got hometown folks like that means 111 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: nothing to me. This is they're going to tear my 112 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: mother's house down. Yeah, that means more to me than 113 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 2: any amount of money. 114 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: You said this yesterday because you joined us at the 115 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: end of the show yesterday. Look, we are dedicated to 116 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: seeing this thing through because I think it stinks. And 117 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: we were right on some other stuff with Braun that 118 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: we thought stunk, and especially the Tom klein Helter, the 119 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: sheriff down there into Boys County, what was going on 120 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: with him, and we got that story. Stay wide attention. 121 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: This stinks to me. And you said this yesterday, which 122 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: is it's literally like something out of a Meloncamp song 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: that's going on down there. 124 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: It is. Well, the ladies told me that the Interstate 125 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: will run through my front yard. I mean those lyrics 126 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: were just right there, and it's you know, there's a 127 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: lot going on. It's not just that they're building a road. 128 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: They build roads all the time. They've built interstates. We've 129 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: got sixty nine, sixty four, seventy and they had to 130 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: tear somebody's houses down to get there. You had to 131 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: go through somebody's front yard. And we understand progress. They 132 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: are not against progress. It's just when you look at this, 133 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: there is no reason to have this interstate when when 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: you have two thirty one. I drove down two thirty one. 135 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: It takes almost an hour from the Crane Naval Center 136 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: area right right when you get off sixty nine to 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: get down to Jasper, you go through Legoti. Legodi. Is 138 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: something else we need to look into because according to 139 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: the website of the proposed expressway, it's going through downtown Legodi. 140 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: So they're not happy with it either. Martin Davies and 141 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: du Boise County. The only people that are really for 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: this from what I gather, and again I'm not an 143 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: expert on this, is the city council in Jasper. The 144 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: mayor who is for it is stepping down, and the 145 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: idea is there will be a city council member installed 146 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: as mayor who is for the project. The mayor will 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: move over to the city council. That's all just speculation 148 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: in a room, real quick so you're gonna be with 149 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: You're gonna be with us of a couple of days. 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna do a segment each day on this. So 151 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: you tell your friends. But I wanted to get one 152 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: here today. Like I said, you sat down and talk 153 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: with these people. Tell us who we're gonna hear from. Well, 154 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: hopefully we get to a couple of im here today. 155 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: This first one sets it up ironically. The lady's name 156 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: Teresa Kendall. Oh, no relation as far as we know. Yeah, 157 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: you know, hey, So she sets it up as far 158 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: as she's a Democrat, but she sets it up as 159 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: far as how this community got together and how they're 160 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: working together. 161 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: My name is Teresa Kendall, and I'm from the Indian 162 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: metro area. And my husband was used to be state 163 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: senator back in the late seventies early eighties. 164 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: His name is Mike. 165 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Kendall again, Mike Kendall. 166 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, when he retired his law office, we moved here. 167 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: He was from Jasper. 168 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: We get here, we get involved in politics, and we 169 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: ended up running across all kinds of people that we're 170 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: talking about this road, and you know, we decide like, well, 171 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: what we need to do is get together. And the 172 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: thing that's amazing is that the politics in Dubois County 173 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: is freaky polarized. So now we've got this group of people, 174 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: We've got a community that's really strong and really big, 175 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: and you know, there's a lot of people that are 176 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: very staunch about their political views and they don't want 177 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: to listen whether they're on either side. And the thing 178 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: is is that we stopped and we listened to each other. 179 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: We're people that are working for something that's right. We're 180 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: on the good side of this. Mike bron is on 181 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: the bad side of he really is. And that's why 182 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: I know that we're going to prevail. And I'll tell 183 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: you right now one thing, that road is dead. Just 184 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: like Mike Braun's political career. 185 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Well, she certainly went out with a bang on that 186 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: didn't She produced Your Chase One It gets kennll a 187 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Casey Show. I'm Rob Jason Doser, producer Jason you know 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: him from producing the Tony Kat's Midday Show. I went 189 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: down to do Boys County. He's talking with some folks, 190 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: talking with a lot of folks that are really upset 191 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: about this state's corridor project that's going to cost us 192 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: as taxpayers billions of dollars. I'll tell you what. I know, 193 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: You've got a lot more audio to get to. I'll 194 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: tell you what, why don't we do this? Can you 195 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: stick around for a little bit? 196 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? Where what have I got to? 197 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: Okay? 198 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: Very good? 199 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: So if you're enjoying what we're doing, what am I doing? 200 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: That's always what I've been my whole life with you? 201 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: What else do I have to do? I'll hang out 202 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: with Rob top and next hour. I want you to 203 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: come back top and next hour, and we'll place some 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: more of these people that are being really impacted by 205 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: this multi billion dollar Mid States Quarridor project. 206 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: Sound good, sounds like I'm playing all right? 207 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Kenell The Casey Show, ninety three WIBC. The governor's approval 208 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: ratings are in the toilet in his home county. You 209 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: know they know him best. Perhaps we want to find 210 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: out why it's the Kennell and Casey Show. I'm Rob 211 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: back with this. Producer Jason Jason Dozer, formerly the Tony 212 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: Katz Midday Show producer for the Tony Kats Midday Show, 213 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: And of course we've been talking about this last several days. 214 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: We sent him down to du Bois County after this 215 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: pole came out that showed Mike Brawn had a disapproval 216 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: rating of sixty two percent in his home county. It 217 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: turns out much of the hatred from the locals down 218 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: they're centers around his support for the Smid States Corridor project, 219 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: which would connect I sixty four to I sixty nine, 220 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar project that will cost all of 221 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: us taxpayers a lot of money. And Jason, I think 222 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the thing of it is it's two things. One, there 223 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: isn't a perceived benefit to the taxpayers, especially the folks 224 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: down there, And two they're pissed off because they think 225 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: Braun and his distribution business is going to make money 226 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: off of it. 227 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: Well that and more importantly, I think they're upset that 228 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: they're just being pushed around. One hundred and sixty five 229 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: people were taken to court over this. One hundred and 230 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: sixty five residents, landowners, farmers, the people that we look 231 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: up to were taken to court by the State of Indiana. 232 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: And we'll probably get to that tomorrow. But yesterday you 233 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: talked about the gentleman that could potentially lose his farm 234 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: he's had in the family for one hundred and seventy 235 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: five years. But I also wanted to get a good, 236 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: broad general idea of the different types of residents down there. 237 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: So I talked to a lady that we talked about 238 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: losing your farm, losing your home. Here's a lady that 239 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: is talking about losing a small small business. 240 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: That Morris and I live in Hayesville right off to 241 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: thirty one. 242 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: So are you for or against the Mid State's Corridor. 243 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:18,119 Speaker 4: I'm against. I'm here helping my friends that have businesses 244 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 4: in Hayesville, and you know, we don't want this for 245 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: the simple fact it's going to take away our business. 246 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: She's right on to thirty one, and she's not going 247 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: to have the business because they're going to get right Berd. 248 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: What is your understanding The reason then that they're pushing 249 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: for the mid States Corridor mainly. 250 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 4: To the traffic and the flow like three out three minutes, 251 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 4: I believe is what they say is it's all they're 252 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,479 Speaker 4: you know, saving, It's mainly just so for these truckers 253 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: to get their goods back and forth. 254 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: Do you see any positive at all if the road 255 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: were put through here? 256 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 4: No, we love progress, we want to see more progress, 257 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: but they're taking away progress by taking away our businesses 258 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: in between? 259 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: And did you vote for Mike Braun for governor? 260 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Hell? 261 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: No. Has he come down to Jasper or du Bois 262 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 2: County as far as you know and explained why he 263 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: wants this or have they even sent folks down to 264 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: explain it? Or is he just strong arming or assuming 265 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: that what he wants is what the folks in Jasper 266 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: would want. 267 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: Supposedly he's brought somebody down, but I've never seen him, 268 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: I mean, and all his little buddies that he's got 269 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: in here, his little soldiers. They're asked a question, Hey, 270 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 4: do you believe this? 271 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Are you against this or for this? 272 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: They close their eyes and act like, you know, I 273 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: don't want to comment. You know, I can't comment on that. 274 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: If Mike bron walked into this meeting tonight, what question 275 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: would you have for him? Or would it be a 276 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: question or a statement? 277 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: I'd probably kick his ass. 278 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I think this is By the way, it's Kelly Casey 279 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: Jo and Rob producer Jason's with us. He went down 280 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: to the Boys County to ask residents down there why 281 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: they're so upset about this mid State's Corridor project that 282 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: led to the governor having an abysmal approval rating in 283 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: his home county on that pole that came out. These 284 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: people are not I think this is the thing, Jason. 285 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: These people are not screwing around like they are genuinely 286 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: whether it's a farm or a business, these people are 287 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: genuinely fearful about this completely disrupting and upending their way 288 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: of life. 289 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And like I said, it's not just Jasper, 290 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: it's not just to Boys County. That's about a billion 291 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: two of the budget. They still would have to go 292 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: through Martin County, through Davies County. You're talking about three 293 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: to four billion dollars, countless businesses, countless farms. Everybody keeps 294 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: talking about we want the farmers to we want the 295 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: independent farmers out there, and the state is trying to 296 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: get rid of them with this expressway. 297 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: And so again we're playing some of these clips of 298 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: these people that you talk to just to give our 299 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: audience the real world perspective, because look, we've failed in 300 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Indianapolis that media myself included until reasonly to cover this, 301 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: to understand the magnitude of it. It's a massive deal, 302 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: and so these interviews are just great to understand where 303 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: your tax Stellers are basically being wasted. I mean, the 304 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: people down there view this as a waste. And I 305 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: come back to that hearing the other day with Transportation 306 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: the House, where Jim Pressel, Republican Head of the House, asked, indot, 307 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? I don't see the value 308 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: in this project. And we've got all these hundreds of 309 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: projects that are being canceled, so this one can go 310 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: for Who else do we hear from? 311 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: We hear from Mary or excuse me, Maggie Mary Stone, 312 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: which is an interesting story because Maggie and her husband 313 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: moved down from Chicago, where she was involved in politics, 314 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: to get away from politics, to get away from congestion, 315 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: to buy a what they called therefoever home in the 316 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: middle of nowhere so they would not have to worry 317 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: about expansion and things like that. And sure enough, she's 318 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: the one I keep referring to when I say they're 319 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: going to run the interstate through her front yard, and 320 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: she is not just bye what the song says, happy 321 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: about it? 322 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 5: Erry Stone. I moved here in twenty twenty three with 323 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: my husband, Brad hook Song, who is a hometown boy. 324 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: I allured him to Chicago, where we lived together when 325 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 5: we got married, and a couple of years ago we 326 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 5: decided that we'd come back to Jasper and slow down, 327 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: and we bought what we thought was going to be 328 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: our forever home, and it turned out it. 329 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: Was in the path of the proposed Mid States Corridor. 330 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: So you went from the politics of Chicago to the 331 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: politics of Jasper, Indiana, And do you see much difference 332 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: in it. 333 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 5: That's a funny question. I worked in politics in Chicago, 334 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 5: and I thought that those days were going to be 335 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: behind me. But it turns out that the saying is true. 336 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: All politics is local, and there's always an issue that 337 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 5: requires the attention of the people in your town, and 338 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: this one is no exception. 339 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: From an outside perspective, you look at it like you 340 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: made an investment in a home and property. The state 341 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: wants to come take that property, take that home. They're 342 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: going to pay you for it. Odds are you're going 343 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: to make. You know, you're going to make a profit 344 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: off that. You know. 345 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: It's interesting that you frame it that way, because it's true. 346 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: We are unlike a lot of other people in this room. 347 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: We have we don't have a multi generational farm, we 348 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 5: don't have ancestral ties to the home that we bought. 349 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 5: And truth be told, if I was convinced that the 350 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 5: road was good for the people of du Bois County 351 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 5: and the city of Jasper, then I would reluctantly give 352 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 5: up my home. But as we delved into the topic further, 353 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 5: we determine that there are all kinds of reasons to 354 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 5: be posed to this road. I don't care if they 355 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: take my home or not. This road is a bad 356 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 5: idea for the people who live here. It's a bad 357 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: idea for the people in Indiana as a whole. 358 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: We all pay basicook taxes. 359 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 5: That would pay for this road, and I don't think 360 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 5: a billion dollars is a good I don't think this 361 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 5: is a good investment for those billion dollars. 362 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: You know. 363 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: She's fascinating to me. By the way, it's Kennell Casey 364 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: Show and Rob producer Jason is here. Heving down in 365 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Dubois County to talk to these people that are being 366 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: impacted by this very expensive, multi billion dollar Mid States 367 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Corridor project, wildly unpopular down there. She's interesting to me 368 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: because you can't paint her as just some towny who 369 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: doesn't want progress. She moved down there recently, and she's 370 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: pissed off about it too, and she knew her stuff. 371 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: She was very articulate, she knew what she was talking about. 372 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: We talked off the air and it was. 373 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: Just it was just so surreal and really interesting to 374 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: see such a melting pot of folks in this little town. 375 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: And again they were all there for one cause, which 376 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: was of course very interesting. 377 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: All right, who we got time for one more? Here? 378 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: Somebody you talk to who we're gonna hear from. Okay, 379 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: this is Mary Allen. She is a She serves as 380 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: the at large city councilor in Evansville. She's running against 381 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: I believe Mark Mesmer in the eighth distant Yeah, that's right, Yeah, 382 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: Mesmer and Mesmer along with us. 383 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: So Mesmer and Braun are interesting because they were created 384 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: legislation Mesmer and Braun did. Mesmer was in the state Senate, 385 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: Braun was in the State House after he got elected 386 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: to the state House. That really kind of helped kickstart 387 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: this whole thing. So Mesmer and Braun are sort of 388 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: tied into this mid state's corridor together, right. 389 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 2: And what she's talking about here is, as you were 390 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: talking about earlier, the folks in the state all the 391 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: politicians in the state of Indiana should be concerned about 392 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: this road because why is this road going to get 393 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: three or four billion dollars when they're cutting other roads, 394 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: potholes things like that that need to be filled. So 395 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: that's her comment here action to Jasper and to Boyse County. 396 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 6: I'm Mary Allen. I am the Democrat candidate for the 397 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 6: eighth District congressional seat. 398 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: And why are you here tonight in a room full 399 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: of Republicans? 400 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 6: Well because hopefully they'll be my constituents, and I wanted 401 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 6: to listen and learn. And when I announced my candidacy, 402 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 6: I had several people reaching out to say, Hey, what's 403 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 6: your opinion on this mid state corridor, And to be 404 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: really honest, they said, I don't know, educate me. I 405 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 6: don't know enough to have an informed opinion. And then 406 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 6: since then saw the poll, it was really eye opening interesting. 407 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 6: And then since I'd seen some articles talking about how 408 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 6: in dot is canceling over three hundred road bridge projects 409 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 6: throughout the state due to budget constraints, but yet this 410 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 6: project still seems to be underway. So very curious right now, 411 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 6: more questions than answers, and as a local politician, I'm 412 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 6: a at large city councilor in Evansville. As a local politician, 413 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 6: I'm kind of looking at it through that lens as 414 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 6: well to think what do the local officials think up here? 415 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 6: Because budgetarily, I think that they're going to be responsible 416 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 6: from what I'm learning is about ten percent of that funding, 417 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 6: which is still millions of dollars, and so I'm wondering 418 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 6: how where is that coming from locally? What's that going 419 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 6: to take away from from their local budget? And then 420 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 6: I believe they will be responsible for the upkeep and 421 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 6: of maintaining two thirty one themselves, and so what does 422 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 6: that look like budgetarily as well for the local towns 423 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 6: and counties. 424 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: You've got a big round of applause tonight when you 425 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: were introduced. How many times have you been into a 426 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: meeting that with both Republicans and Democrats everybody seemingly on 427 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: the same page, right, that's really exciting. 428 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 1: This is probably the first time that's happened. 429 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: And well, thank Governor Braun for that. 430 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So that's going to do it for 431 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: us today on this But Producer, Jason, you're gonna come 432 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: back with us tomorrow because there's a new villain that 433 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: emerges in tomorrow's episode of The Mid States Court or 434 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: pissing everyone off. It's an old friend of this show, Jason, Right, well, 435 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: Todd Rokita. 436 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're buddy. One hundred and sixty five people taken 437 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: to court by Todd Rokeita, and that's a juicy story. 438 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that tomorrow. 439 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: All right, we'll do it tomorrow. Jason'll be back with us. 440 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: More on the way next Kennel Casey Show ninety three, 441 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: WIBC