WEBVTT - Batman: Caped Crusader Season 2

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<v Speaker 1>The Frames Per Second Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I am here with two-thirds of the super production team

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<v Speaker 3>of Dead End Hip Hop, starting with Kenneth B.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, man? Hola.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jalen, a.k.a.

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<v Speaker 3>You're now tuning in to the Frames Per Second Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>It's to the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>I favor Patreon because I can be a little more loose.

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<v Speaker 3>But nonetheless, you are tuned in to another episode of

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<v Speaker 3>Friends for a Second Podcast. And in this episode, we

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<v Speaker 3>are recapping the second season of the Amazon Prime original series,

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<v Speaker 3>original animated series coming from the D.C. It's just coming

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<v Speaker 3>from D.C. I don't know if it's part of James

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<v Speaker 3>Gunn's stuff. I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, but it's coming from DC nonetheless, DC comic universe, um,

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<v Speaker 3>starting up one of our favorite characters to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>review about just to have all kinds of debates about

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<v Speaker 3>Batman with this, uh, episode recap being dedicated to the series,

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<v Speaker 3>the Batman Cape crusader, uh, season two. So yeah, we, we,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember we reviewed season one and I think all

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<v Speaker 3>of them, I think it was just us three again. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we all pretty much like that for my, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>from my recollection, but you guys can correct me if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wrong. So I'm curious to see what you all

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<v Speaker 3>think about this second season. So I'll start with you, Jay.

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<v Speaker 3>What were your overall thoughts on season two?

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<v Speaker 2>It started out.

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<v Speaker 4>On a good foot, but it ended great. So overall,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a big fan of this season. It feels darker,

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<v Speaker 4>but it also feels different. It has a lot of similarities,

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<v Speaker 4>like we mentioned, in the first season to the animated series,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a very nostalgic place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't stay there. It has its own flavor,

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<v Speaker 2>of course.

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<v Speaker 4>That series is dark in its own way, but it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't really go all the way there. But this one

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<v Speaker 4>is taking chances that that one didn't. It's also touching themes.

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<v Speaker 2>That that one didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, the beginning of it was good, but as

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<v Speaker 4>the season progressed, it definitely got better. And the more

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<v Speaker 4>they lean into the darkness of it, Man, I just

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<v Speaker 4>fuck with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I fuck with this.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, Ken? Yeah, I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I remember liking the first season, but this

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<v Speaker 5>one did feel a little bit different with some of

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<v Speaker 5>the things that they were doing on the show. Um,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with the Riddler and eventually the Joker was

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<v Speaker 5>some of the stories they were telling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I found myself like all, uh, definitely into everything that

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<v Speaker 5>was going on and, and yeah, I, I, I benched it.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked kind of like I benched it. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so I thought they did a really good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, when it comes to shows like this one, I

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<v Speaker 3>think they drop all the episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like binge watching as much. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>I like knowing the comfort that I can watch the

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<v Speaker 3>whole season in one night if I wanted to, or

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<v Speaker 3>I can watch multiple episodes if I want to. But

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<v Speaker 3>I usually don't like doing that because usually I get

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<v Speaker 3>kind of overstimulated with.

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<v Speaker 2>Just being in one world continuously.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, sometimes I need to take a break, sit with

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<v Speaker 3>what I just watched, and then come back to it

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, oh, okay, I get why, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of started to click. But, Jay, you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 3>This season was dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Like.

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<v Speaker 3>They kind of touched on stuff season one and you

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<v Speaker 3>kind of knew that they were like, all right, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a new, it gives you feels of the original

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<v Speaker 3>series or animated series. But this is just a different spin,

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<v Speaker 3>but they kind of went even darker because I knew

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't going to be able to spin too many characters.

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<v Speaker 3>We're like, okay, now we got to expect either, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>gender changes, ethnic changes to like some of the characters

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<v Speaker 3>that we kind of grew up with. but they were like, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>we ain't even worth, that's already going to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>We going to get dark. We going, we taking people.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the board. Um, and I really appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really appreciated, um, how they tested Bruce this series,

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<v Speaker 3>this season too, especially him and his, uh, relationship with Alfred, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>who he called Pennyworth. You know, that's, that's, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like he's still disrespect. I feel like going off of

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<v Speaker 3>the original series or just like Batman, the, uh, what's

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<v Speaker 3>his name? Um, The famous person, Kevin Conroy, the one

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<v Speaker 3>who voiced the original. I feel like we always look

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<v Speaker 3>at that as the ultimate relationship between Bruce and Alfred.

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<v Speaker 3>So whenever he calls a painting, I'm like, bro, he

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<v Speaker 3>don't really mess with Alfred like that. But then it

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<v Speaker 3>shows in different ways. I like how they touched on

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<v Speaker 3>how he still does in this iteration of him.

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<v Speaker 2>So I enjoyed the season. I thought it was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm glad that we are on the same page

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<v Speaker 3>because we start off the season... kind of picking up

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<v Speaker 3>where we left off last season with an imprisoned Thorn,

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<v Speaker 3>the big mob boss Thorn, awaiting trial. And then we

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<v Speaker 3>see the pro-Thorn talk show host, Hattie Tech, or Tech,

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<v Speaker 3>reveal that the case against Thorn rests on the testimony

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<v Speaker 3>of his accountant, Julian Gregory. And based off of that,

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<v Speaker 3>Thorn orders his lieutenant, his number one lieutenant, which ends

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<v Speaker 3>up being Eddie Nygma, to kill Gregory, the accountant. And then,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, in the midst of this, meanwhile, there's the GCPD,

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<v Speaker 3>Gotham City Police Department, are aware of the leak. And

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<v Speaker 3>Gordon assigns his top trusted lieutenant or cop, Montoya, to

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<v Speaker 3>partner with the most corrupt cop we got, the black man, Flass.

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<v Speaker 2>To investigate all this.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like, again, there's so much to talk about in

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<v Speaker 3>this show that I'm just going to hit the main beats.

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<v Speaker 2>But y'all can feel free to talk about the main thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was pretty much the main premise of how

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<v Speaker 3>we start off this but ken what did you think

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<v Speaker 3>about how we started off this season.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it did it did a good job of

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<v Speaker 5>setting the the tone for me uh with uh enigma

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<v Speaker 5>because i really could give two fucks about the riddler

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<v Speaker 5>uh yeah yeah yeah um i think he's probably one

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<v Speaker 5>of batman's worst villains but really yeah i don't oh

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<v Speaker 5>yeah yeah yeah i don't think it yeah well i'm

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<v Speaker 5>not a fan of the riddler.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that um.

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<v Speaker 5>But uh but i like what they did with him

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<v Speaker 5>though like this this riddler like for like for for

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<v Speaker 5>a while i didn't i i was wondering if that

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<v Speaker 5>was really him and i know it's like this other

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<v Speaker 5>world this noir thing and it's a gangster whatever uh

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<v Speaker 5>but no, I really enjoy how they set everything off

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<v Speaker 5>with this, this first episode that we got.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay, I was going to ask you like, what did

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<v Speaker 2>you think of this version.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the riddler? I fuck with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, cause they're trying to, they're trying to keep a balance.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm being grounded, but still having, um, honestly, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>even that fantastical at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just, it's still just like, it feels like more grounded. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>And more grounded than even the animated series. So I

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<v Speaker 2>really like that idea. So that way it.

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<v Speaker 4>Differentiates from what it was in the animated series. But us,

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<v Speaker 4>we still get the nostalgic feel no matter what because

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<v Speaker 4>of the animation style.

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<v Speaker 2>So this version of Riddler, and as the season goes on, he.

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<v Speaker 4>Just gets more ruthless and ruthless. But we just get

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<v Speaker 4>to see that side of him. I fuck with this

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<v Speaker 4>side that they actually went with as compared to having

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<v Speaker 4>him be as.

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<v Speaker 2>The Riddler isn't really goofy. The Joker's the goofy one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think sometimes for me, my first introduction to The Riddler, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>was the Jim Carrey version.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one that Kendall was thinking about every time

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<v Speaker 2>he heard his name. Yeah, exactly. That's why Kendall mess

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<v Speaker 2>with him. But yeah, I mess with this version for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I felt like I felt like the Riddler, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think there may have been a comic later down

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<v Speaker 3>in Batman where they kind of try to reinvent Riddler.

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<v Speaker 2>To be a little bit more menacing.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the most recent Batman movie with Robert Pattinson

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<v Speaker 3>kind of shows if the Riddler can really get his

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<v Speaker 3>just due, how compelling could he be?

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<v Speaker 2>But I love this version.

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<v Speaker 3>This is probably my favorite version of Riddler because it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the Riddles get childish and too playful and he

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<v Speaker 3>comes he comes up being like not taken seriously because

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<v Speaker 3>he's just like all right bro if you do the

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<v Speaker 3>new york times crossword puzzle every day you probably can

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what he's talking about but i like the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that he kind of his ruthlessness was the forefront

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't the fact that he was telling riddles and

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<v Speaker 3>all that stuff he did that a little bit but

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<v Speaker 3>his ruthlessness was the forefront and like i like how

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<v Speaker 3>he kind of just set the tone and like he

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<v Speaker 3>was actually somebody whenever he walked in a room people

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<v Speaker 3>feared him that's not how it was in the animated

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<v Speaker 3>show and he didn't have no goofy costume he had

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<v Speaker 3>his colors but it wasn't like no goofy costume um

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<v Speaker 3>so i really like that um.

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<v Speaker 4>I think also having him be a part of like

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<v Speaker 4>thorn being like a part of the crime family with

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<v Speaker 4>thorn helps as far as us buying into him especially

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<v Speaker 4>if he's going he's like the the number one guy

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<v Speaker 4>to thorn and add to like taking him more seriously

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<v Speaker 4>compared to what people have probably done in the past

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<v Speaker 4>for his character.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, moving on just a little bit uh we see.

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<v Speaker 3>Batman foils enigma's initial attack on gregory prompt enigma to

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<v Speaker 3>go visit hugo strange um and acquire a toxin uh

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<v Speaker 3>he uses that on one of his lackeys turning him

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<v Speaker 3>into a monster uh and then that lackey it ends

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<v Speaker 3>up attacking the safe house where gregory is kept but

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<v Speaker 3>batman again intervenes and stops him but it made me

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<v Speaker 3>want to think about like because we didn't get too

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<v Speaker 3>much of this character because i feel like i think

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<v Speaker 3>ken you may agree scarecrow is a lot more interesting

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<v Speaker 3>than the riddler but they gave scarecrow like what two

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<v Speaker 3>episodes and they took him out like quick what do

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<v Speaker 3>you think of how they introduced and exited hugo strange.

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<v Speaker 5>I was i was surprised And I wasn't prepared because

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<v Speaker 5>typically Batman's villains, they stay around. So when they killed him,

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, well, maybe that's just another version. And then

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<v Speaker 5>we'll get the original version later on. But that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 5>He stayed dead. So I thought that that was really,

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<v Speaker 5>really interesting. But it made me start to really appreciate

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<v Speaker 5>and like the show because I did not expect people

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<v Speaker 5>to die. And then all the blood and some of

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<v Speaker 5>the gruesome ways they were killing people. It really caught

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<v Speaker 5>me off guard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jay, I don't know about you, but seeing how

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<v Speaker 3>they were able to... Again, you already know me. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mind players getting taken off the board. If anything,

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<v Speaker 3>I encourage it. But it felt like with characters as

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<v Speaker 3>rich as Scarecrow, I was like, wow, are they really

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<v Speaker 3>going to go this route?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was uniquely surprised by that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, it's surprising, but in the same way,

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<v Speaker 4>i feel like it's easy to bring like a character

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<v Speaker 4>like scarecrow back as far as like just putting somebody

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<v Speaker 4>in his his space on his place i personally don't

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<v Speaker 4>know the backstory to scarecrow as much but i feel

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<v Speaker 4>like it's capable of bringing them back you know what

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<v Speaker 4>i'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the the fear for batman you know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying i did kind of i did kind of

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<v Speaker 4>um I didn't like the way Batman kind of overcame

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<v Speaker 4>his fear.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed kind of easy for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you're talking about the other guy who kind of

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<v Speaker 3>played off the fear toxin and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't like that part.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, taking him off the board, it also set

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<v Speaker 4>the tone for anything can happen. And it kind of

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<v Speaker 4>continued to go that way. I thought maybe they did it.

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<v Speaker 4>to like, all right, this is where the stakes at.

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<v Speaker 4>And so y'all really got to expect too many people dying,

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<v Speaker 4>but then not able to set the tone and know

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<v Speaker 4>anybody can fucking go at any point.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect the route.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm, I'm the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>Cause after we see, um, the accountant testify again, Gotham

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<v Speaker 3>is the most corrupt. See, I don't know why anybody

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<v Speaker 3>lives there. I don't know why anybody, even if you

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<v Speaker 3>have money, you want to stay there because the cops

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<v Speaker 3>did everything right. And Thorne still got off. Um, for

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<v Speaker 3>whatever reason. However, and it was kind of alluded to

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<v Speaker 3>in the last season, Thorne later gets killed by laughing toxin,

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<v Speaker 3>administrated by his driver. And then we, obviously we know

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<v Speaker 3>where that's going to lead to, but then we also

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<v Speaker 3>see Batman is forced, well, Barbara forces Batman and Commissioner

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<v Speaker 3>Gordon to kind of discuss and like work together more

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<v Speaker 3>as he, Commissioner Gordon realizes like, I can't do all

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<v Speaker 3>this on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>I need actually your help.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is always fascinating to me, Ken, that cops are

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<v Speaker 3>so bad at their job that they are looking for

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<v Speaker 3>a random dude dressed as a bat to help them

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<v Speaker 3>save the city. Again, this is all in the first episode,

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<v Speaker 3>so was this a great way to open up the series?

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<v Speaker 3>Especially because the laughing toxin in this series, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>they went overboard in a creepy way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they linger from episode to episode mostly, but At

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<v Speaker 5>some point, they're going to end up working together, and

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<v Speaker 5>it took a season to get there for them. But

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<v Speaker 5>they had an issue on the hand, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 5>they just couldn't do it by themselves. So they need

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<v Speaker 5>all the help that they can get, and it just

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<v Speaker 5>made sense to try to get somebody who, appears to

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<v Speaker 5>be on their side, you know, we know is on

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<v Speaker 5>their side, but, and I guess at some point they

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<v Speaker 5>kind of became comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>And realizing that he was on their side as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So let's enlist all the help we can get in

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<v Speaker 5>order to, to take care of the main threat that

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<v Speaker 5>we're dealing with. So, um, so yeah, it's just, we

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<v Speaker 5>finally got to where we normally see Batman and that's

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<v Speaker 5>him working with the commissioner.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay was, is this the most corrupt version of Gotham city?

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen in a series?

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<v Speaker 1>In a series?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Cause I didn't finish watching the Gotham series. And I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like that one probably, it had to, it had

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with corruption. I watched the first season and

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<v Speaker 4>a half and it deal with, it dealt with more

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<v Speaker 4>on the ground level and like a lot of the corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>That was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't have Batman in it, but it, it focused

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<v Speaker 2>on Gotham.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I mean, I think about The Batman, the

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<v Speaker 4>corruption wasn't as heavy there. It was more fantastical. Brave

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<v Speaker 4>and the Bold didn't have any real Gotham in it.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, if you do animated series, yes. For what

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen, yes, it's the most corrupt. The most corrupt.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was going off of, yeah. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's more dope than those other ones too. Those ones

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<v Speaker 4>are made basically for Cartoon Network.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying? This one here is on

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Video where they can go there and give....

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<v Speaker 4>The example has been set through animated shows like Invincible

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<v Speaker 4>where you can have adult themes and people still tune in.

0:15:50.630 --> 0:15:52.140
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have to just be made for kids. It

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<v Speaker 4>can be made for adults. But this is definitely the

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<v Speaker 4>most corrupt one that I've seen so far.

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<v Speaker 3>We then move on to the next episode where we

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<v Speaker 3>learn after repeated attacks on Triad Industries that we get

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<v Speaker 3>a black woman who's not only intelligent, smart, and on

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<v Speaker 3>her Tony Stark stuff, but she's getting, as normal, the

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.560
<v Speaker 3>opposition is the white man. And Batman goes undercover as

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<v Speaker 3>Bruce to investigate this. The black woman that I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>her name is Dr. Roxanne Sutton. And the corrupt white

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<v Speaker 3>man that she's dealing with is Warren Lawford, head scientist,

0:16:37.330 --> 0:16:44.130
<v Speaker 3>Armin Lidecker, and the security chief that they got, Gunther Hardwick.

0:16:44.870 --> 0:16:47.590
<v Speaker 3>where they're all trying to basically, they try to kill

0:16:47.630 --> 0:16:50.340
<v Speaker 3>her just so they can steal her ideas and sell

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<v Speaker 3>them on the black market.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken, what did you think about this episode specifically?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I felt like this was, again, we're in an

0:16:56.940 --> 0:16:59.700
<v Speaker 3>animated series, so again, kind of like X-Men 97, we'll

0:16:59.740 --> 0:17:01.420
<v Speaker 3>kind of do certain side stories randomly.

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<v Speaker 2>But I felt like this was interesting because.

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<v Speaker 3>This has shown a lot of range as far as

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<v Speaker 3>the characters in Gotham City.

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<v Speaker 1>It did stand out.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, mainly because it was a black woman who

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<v Speaker 5>created this invention and got it stolen from her by

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<v Speaker 5>white people. And to do so, they decided to kill her.

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<v Speaker 5>And she was seeking vengeance. And it put Batman in

0:17:28.490 --> 0:17:33.050
<v Speaker 5>a situation where he was trying to stop two people,

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<v Speaker 5>her and the people that were actually responsible for her

0:17:38.290 --> 0:17:41.490
<v Speaker 5>perceived death at the time. Um, so I was, I

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<v Speaker 5>was trying to not watch this through a racial lens, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's difficult. We in America, man.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, it was real difficult for me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Um, but yeah, I mean, she, she knew her shit and,

0:17:58.420 --> 0:17:59.939
<v Speaker 5>and she was on top of a game to the

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<v Speaker 5>point where she even designed a whole suit and means

0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:10.570
<v Speaker 5>to sabotage them from using her work for, uh, reasons

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<v Speaker 5>that she didn't intend.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't enjoy, and I hope she isn't, but in

0:18:19.810 --> 0:18:22.380
<v Speaker 5>this show, more than likely she is dead, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the ending, but, um, but even if she is, you know, she,

0:18:26.340 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 5>she was kind of content with that.

0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Plus half her face was gone.

0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.419
<v Speaker 2>So she probably was like, it's a wrap anyway.

0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.290
<v Speaker 5>I have a lot of incentive there, but, uh, but nah, man, this,

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.910
<v Speaker 5>this one was, this one was, this one was enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>What were your.

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<v Speaker 2>Thoughts on this Jay especially.

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<v Speaker 3>Because for me it was like how was Bruce going

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<v Speaker 3>to I was expecting a lot from Bruce in this

0:18:52.859 --> 0:18:54.399
<v Speaker 3>episode as far as like how is he going to

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<v Speaker 3>handle the legacy of this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say I was expecting too much right here

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<v Speaker 4>because this is a character that came up before I've

0:19:11.210 --> 0:19:14.899
<v Speaker 4>never heard of this character before, so that's why I

0:19:15.020 --> 0:19:15.820
<v Speaker 4>was so fascinated.

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I was like, why are they even doing a character?

0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't even a reiteration of another character. Again, I'm

0:19:21.900 --> 0:19:24.580
<v Speaker 3>well-versed in Batman, but not to this extent if they're

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<v Speaker 3>pulling out of deep lore and stuff like that.

0:19:27.580 --> 0:19:27.980
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, I didn't have any true expectation of this character.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more so just trying to figure out who

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 4>As we've seen in season one, they've changed genders. They've

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<v Speaker 4>changed different backstories in a way for the characters that

0:19:43.260 --> 0:19:46.880
<v Speaker 4>they had. So maybe I thought to myself, I'm not

0:19:46.900 --> 0:19:48.990
<v Speaker 4>familiar with the character, or it could be a brand

0:19:49.010 --> 0:19:53.160
<v Speaker 4>new character. So I didn't have any expectation, but overall, um,

0:19:53.940 --> 0:19:59.310
<v Speaker 4>her being vengeful because of, um, things being taken from her.

0:19:59.690 --> 0:20:02.550
<v Speaker 4>Like Ken said, you try to take the racial, actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't, I'm English. I don't take racial shit out

0:20:04.890 --> 0:20:07.409
<v Speaker 4>of nothing to shit. They don't take racial shit out

0:20:07.430 --> 0:20:12.740
<v Speaker 4>of anything. Um, But that's what I was connecting to

0:20:12.770 --> 0:20:15.409
<v Speaker 4>it the most about is that this black woman got

0:20:16.130 --> 0:20:19.230
<v Speaker 4>her work stole from her. And I wanted her to

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<v Speaker 4>get her get back.

0:20:20.350 --> 0:20:20.729
<v Speaker 2>That's all.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all I felt in this moment was like, let

0:20:22.790 --> 0:20:24.370
<v Speaker 4>the black woman get her get back. And I want

0:20:24.410 --> 0:20:26.570
<v Speaker 4>her to get it as much as she can. But

0:20:26.650 --> 0:20:28.520
<v Speaker 4>as far as the character itself, I didn't really have

0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.899
<v Speaker 4>any true attachment outside of that piece because I didn't

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.100
<v Speaker 4>know who this character was.

0:20:33.460 --> 0:20:36.700
<v Speaker 2>So I was just along for the ride. Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was happy that he at least gave her like,

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.690
<v Speaker 3>what was it? He built the compound in her name

0:20:42.730 --> 0:20:45.470
<v Speaker 3>or something like that. Because even Alfred was like, bro,

0:20:45.490 --> 0:20:47.689
<v Speaker 3>like the stuff that she designed, if these were in

0:20:47.710 --> 0:20:49.909
<v Speaker 3>the right hands, they could really help the world. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I was thinking he was going to go

0:20:51.380 --> 0:20:54.500
<v Speaker 3>like in like a pseudo Tony Stark's kind of way.

0:20:54.540 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to turn my weapons into like or use

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 3>my technology to help people than hurt people. Um, but I,

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<v Speaker 3>but I also respect the fact that he was like, nah, bro,

0:21:03.619 --> 0:21:06.010
<v Speaker 3>we can't give this to nobody. So we gonna burn it,

0:21:06.090 --> 0:21:07.810
<v Speaker 3>but I'm gonna build like everything that she had. I'm

0:21:07.850 --> 0:21:10.290
<v Speaker 3>gonna build a compound. Her name is going to be

0:21:10.369 --> 0:21:12.570
<v Speaker 3>on it. And people, that's where her legacy is going

0:21:12.590 --> 0:21:15.370
<v Speaker 3>to be the scholarship foundation for upcoming scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>So I really appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did find that interesting that they would use

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<v Speaker 3>a story that can be racially, easily racially tied to

0:21:23.420 --> 0:21:26.220
<v Speaker 3>like how the work of black people, specifically black women

0:21:26.260 --> 0:21:29.300
<v Speaker 3>in STEM, um, can be corrupted and taken advantage of.

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<v Speaker 3>So I, I thought, again, I may be goofy hat

0:21:32.460 --> 0:21:35.170
<v Speaker 3>on type shit, thinking too deeply on it, but I

0:21:35.210 --> 0:21:36.150
<v Speaker 3>thought it was very interesting.

0:21:36.170 --> 0:21:39.370
<v Speaker 6>It's interesting. They also introduced Lucas Fox here too, though.

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<v Speaker 6>So like, he was in the first season. He was

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<v Speaker 6>in the first season too. i can't remember because he

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<v Speaker 6>was always like.

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<v Speaker 3>He was lightly i think uh from what i remember

0:21:48.770 --> 0:21:50.570
<v Speaker 3>he was lightly in the first season was like bro

0:21:50.590 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 3>he's somebody that is a confidant of bruce and helps

0:21:53.910 --> 0:21:56.669
<v Speaker 3>him deal with like so he was just like how

0:21:56.690 --> 0:21:57.950
<v Speaker 3>he was this season i think he was only in

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<v Speaker 3>like what one or two episodes of that um and

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:01.500
<v Speaker 3>had a few scenes.

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<v Speaker 4>But they used them they used them effectively they knew

0:22:03.859 --> 0:22:05.399
<v Speaker 4>what they were doing by putting him in the scene

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and introducing him to also her you know what i'm

0:22:08.020 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 4>saying yeah so that that was a good little little

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<v Speaker 4>We see that.

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<v Speaker 3>One of Thorne's henchmen outside of the Riddler, his name

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 3>is Desmond.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's somebody who's eating no snitching.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh but he also is someone that doesn't really rock

0:23:12.830 --> 0:23:15.950
<v Speaker 3>with everything that riddler's doing and he ends up getting

0:23:16.010 --> 0:23:18.300
<v Speaker 3>locked up again he's not a snitch so he's just

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<v Speaker 3>doing his time and batman as batman was like listen

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<v Speaker 3>i gotta i gotta know who this guy riddler is

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.379
<v Speaker 3>and what he's about so let me go undercover as

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:31.060
<v Speaker 3>somebody else what was his name matches malone and see

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<v Speaker 3>what he's about and we don't really i think even

0:23:34.300 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 3>in the animated, the original animated series, he did this

0:23:36.100 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>like one or two times or like, this is a

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 3>theme that Batman does every now and then he'll take

0:23:40.070 --> 0:23:43.130
<v Speaker 3>on identity of someone else outside of Batman to do

0:23:43.170 --> 0:23:44.130
<v Speaker 3>some investigating stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think about this episode?

0:23:48.210 --> 0:23:50.190
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like this one as much as some of

0:23:50.210 --> 0:23:50.770
<v Speaker 1>the other ones.

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<v Speaker 5>Um, you know, we've, I mean, you just mentioned, we've

0:23:54.030 --> 0:23:57.010
<v Speaker 5>seen this story before this is Escapade before.

0:23:57.810 --> 0:24:00.850
<v Speaker 1>So, um, you just have to kind of buy into

0:24:00.890 --> 0:24:01.890
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things.

0:24:01.950 --> 0:24:04.730
<v Speaker 5>He's going to go in there and, And this guy

0:24:04.810 --> 0:24:07.869
<v Speaker 5>that's not a snitch is going to find a way

0:24:07.890 --> 0:24:10.459
<v Speaker 5>to become friends with him, help him get out. And

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:15.139
<v Speaker 5>I did like the escape, but get out and then,

0:24:15.260 --> 0:24:18.500
<v Speaker 5>you know, take him and meet the boss. So it's

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:22.510
<v Speaker 5>a story told this type of story and this very

0:24:22.550 --> 0:24:23.290
<v Speaker 5>similar ways have been.

0:24:23.210 --> 0:24:26.630
<v Speaker 1>Told over and over again. But what I did like,

0:24:27.510 --> 0:24:29.170
<v Speaker 1>was that the Riddler just didn't give a fuck.

0:24:29.570 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 5>So that was the one that sealed it for me.

0:24:34.810 --> 0:24:40.100
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I'm really fucking with the Riddler. Yeah,

0:24:40.380 --> 0:24:41.900
<v Speaker 5>he was really.

0:24:42.619 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Winning me over.

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.500
<v Speaker 5>So I did enjoy that because I was wondering.

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.580
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, so what's going to.

0:24:47.540 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Happen when he tries to introduce him to, you know, Matches.

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:59.460
<v Speaker 1>Malone, a.k.a. Batman? And we got to answer. Hey, well, shit.

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Desmond got the answer.

0:25:01.460 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Jay, it was funny to me, but it was

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.950
<v Speaker 3>probably meant to be a serious moment. After a really

0:25:07.990 --> 0:25:11.670
<v Speaker 3>shot Desmond, Batman came over to.

0:25:12.869 --> 0:25:13.050
<v Speaker 1>Him.

0:25:13.250 --> 0:25:15.629
<v Speaker 3>Then I think Desmond, he put two and two together

0:25:15.650 --> 0:25:17.530
<v Speaker 3>and figured out that matches was Batman.

0:25:17.570 --> 0:25:19.710
<v Speaker 2>He was like, damn. I guess my only friend in

0:25:19.730 --> 0:25:22.030
<v Speaker 2>the world was Batman. He just died.

0:25:22.170 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know if this is meant

0:25:24.020 --> 0:25:25.640
<v Speaker 3>to be deep, but it was funny as hell to me.

0:25:25.660 --> 0:25:28.500
<v Speaker 3>Cause I was like, that's crazy to have those real

0:25:28.540 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 3>last words.

0:25:30.980 --> 0:25:31.220
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's, it's, it was, and I don't know

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.449
<v Speaker 4>how I felt about that. Cause it's like, it's like

0:25:36.470 --> 0:25:38.850
<v Speaker 4>such a pull and tug when Batman does things like this.

0:25:38.869 --> 0:25:40.830
<v Speaker 4>It's like, all right, it's Bruce Wayne, nigga, who don't

0:25:40.869 --> 0:25:43.550
<v Speaker 4>know your face? Like nigga, you, you a playboy, you

0:25:43.570 --> 0:25:46.090
<v Speaker 4>a billionaire. Like you, you damn, you supposed to be

0:25:46.150 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Elon Musk basically, nigga. Like, that's who you're supposed to be.

0:25:50.020 --> 0:25:52.340
<v Speaker 4>But you can go undercover with just some glasses, nigga.

0:25:54.340 --> 0:25:55.220
<v Speaker 1>And a mustache.

0:25:55.340 --> 0:25:58.250
<v Speaker 2>It worked for Superman for, what, how many years? We're

0:25:58.270 --> 0:26:01.030
<v Speaker 2>going on, like, 70 years? I guess, man. I get it.

0:26:01.050 --> 0:26:03.230
<v Speaker 4>But, I mean, you're in prison. You can't keep them

0:26:03.250 --> 0:26:04.230
<v Speaker 4>shits on the whole time.

0:26:04.310 --> 0:26:06.590
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I get it. It's supposed to be

0:26:06.630 --> 0:26:06.950
<v Speaker 2>a thing.

0:26:07.010 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 4>But that and then him figuring out his identity just

0:26:10.500 --> 0:26:11.660
<v Speaker 4>because he started talking to him.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.860
<v Speaker 4>It's one of those things where it makes sense, but

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 4>it don't make sense.

0:26:17.660 --> 0:26:19.860
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying? Like you said, with Superman.

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.659
<v Speaker 4>So sometimes it takes me out of the episodes where

0:26:22.700 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 4>it's like, all right, that's cool.

0:26:24.580 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>It really ain't if I sit here and think too

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:26.790
<v Speaker 2>hard about it.

0:26:27.660 --> 0:26:30.980
<v Speaker 4>But I see your point with it being funny as

0:26:31.020 --> 0:26:32.980
<v Speaker 4>far as like, damn, my only true friend that I

0:26:33.060 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 4>ever had who really rolled for me is.

0:26:35.550 --> 0:26:38.990
<v Speaker 2>Batman, the nigga we was fighting against the whole entire time.

0:26:39.030 --> 0:26:39.850
<v Speaker 2>That's a way to die.

0:26:40.230 --> 0:26:41.730
<v Speaker 1>That's a weird way to go out, but.

0:26:44.590 --> 0:26:46.469
<v Speaker 2>Overall, this was still a good episode. This didn't take

0:26:46.490 --> 0:26:47.970
<v Speaker 2>away from the season at all for me.

0:26:48.010 --> 0:26:49.830
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't as good as the one before or what

0:26:49.910 --> 0:26:53.530
<v Speaker 4>we were getting, but it was still fun. Again, this

0:26:53.590 --> 0:26:57.770
<v Speaker 4>was good because it kept showing how ruthless Riddler was.

0:26:57.910 --> 0:27:00.750
<v Speaker 4>Riddler didn't waste no time. He's like, oh, this your friend?

0:27:01.310 --> 0:27:02.210
<v Speaker 4>This who you met in jail?

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:03.260
<v Speaker 2>I don't know this nigga.

0:27:03.470 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 4>This nigga gold. I fuck with that kind of energy.

0:27:07.100 --> 0:27:07.700
<v Speaker 4>He your friend.

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.180
<v Speaker 2>He ain't my friend, nigga. You ain't got to tell

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>me about Riddler.

0:27:12.900 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait till we get to the episode of

0:27:14.900 --> 0:27:17.070
<v Speaker 3>what shit really popped off. But I want to get

0:27:17.109 --> 0:27:18.990
<v Speaker 3>these two episodes out the way because I felt like

0:27:19.030 --> 0:27:21.950
<v Speaker 3>they touched on this last season with, like you mentioned, Jay,

0:27:22.050 --> 0:27:22.869
<v Speaker 3>it's an animated show.

0:27:23.050 --> 0:27:23.690
<v Speaker 1>It's Batman.

0:27:24.530 --> 0:27:27.670
<v Speaker 3>It's going to get fantastical. And we get two fantastical episodes,

0:27:27.710 --> 0:27:30.370
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, back to back with the.

0:27:32.300 --> 0:27:32.669
<v Speaker 2>Who was it?

0:27:34.340 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 3>The small-time robber who's beaten and killed by someone who

0:27:37.700 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 3>appears to be Batman. And we kind of go into the...

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>that cult, what was it called? The Bat Cult and

0:27:43.260 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. And they bring up the black dude

0:27:45.820 --> 0:27:48.699
<v Speaker 3>from last season who was like into magic and all

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 3>that stuff. And then I think we follow that up

0:27:51.100 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 3>with the guy that betrayed Barbara.

0:27:54.900 --> 0:27:56.770
<v Speaker 2>Last season and they went to jail.

0:27:56.790 --> 0:27:59.810
<v Speaker 3>Then he ended up dying because he took that experimental

0:28:00.930 --> 0:28:03.330
<v Speaker 3>prison thing where they electrocuted him to death and try

0:28:03.350 --> 0:28:04.950
<v Speaker 3>to see if they can revive him and stuff like that.

0:28:04.970 --> 0:28:07.330
<v Speaker 3>And he came back as, but in the comics, I

0:28:07.369 --> 0:28:09.649
<v Speaker 3>believe it's the Spectre, but he was this version of that.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 3>To me, this was like, all right, bro, we ain't

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.899
<v Speaker 3>need daughters. We could have either cut the season or

0:28:18.660 --> 0:28:21.090
<v Speaker 3>done other characters. What did y'all find out about these

0:28:21.140 --> 0:28:28.410
<v Speaker 3>two mythological, extra, I should say not mythological, just supernatural

0:28:28.490 --> 0:28:29.570
<v Speaker 3>episodes of the series?

0:28:31.970 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 5>The one with the cult, it was just kind of

0:28:38.060 --> 0:28:43.010
<v Speaker 5>like a one-off. But I did enjoy it. And not

0:28:44.110 --> 0:28:50.250
<v Speaker 5>like from... I guess I enjoyed the ending. Because when

0:28:51.950 --> 0:28:54.150
<v Speaker 5>he was discovered and he found out he tried to

0:28:54.190 --> 0:28:57.430
<v Speaker 5>buy Bruce Wayne or Batman, he was like, look, man,

0:28:57.470 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 5>we can split this whole cult if you want to.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.020
<v Speaker 5>I thought that that was funny, trying to buy his

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 5>way out of it. But the part I enjoyed the

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:11.090
<v Speaker 5>most was when old girl came back from behind and

0:29:11.110 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 5>just stabbed the shit out of him and killed him.

0:29:15.220 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 5>I was like, yo, this show is crazy. So y'all

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 5>helped me. Did they have a lot of blood and

0:29:23.140 --> 0:29:24.060
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:24.700
<v Speaker 2>In the first season?

0:29:26.300 --> 0:29:28.020
<v Speaker 1>Not that I remember.

0:29:28.100 --> 0:29:30.830
<v Speaker 3>Not that I really remember. What I remember it was

0:29:30.910 --> 0:29:38.410
<v Speaker 3>like the conversations were more dark. Remember that scene that

0:29:38.430 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 3>we made fun of when uh bruce as a kid

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:41.940
<v Speaker 3>busted through alfred's door and was.

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Like hey bro we gotta make them all pay okay.

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.540
<v Speaker 3>What we get like and he's like a 10 year

0:29:46.580 --> 0:29:48.900
<v Speaker 3>old kid saying this at 2 a.m i'm like bro

0:29:49.460 --> 0:29:51.190
<v Speaker 3>this is a bruce a side of bruce that we

0:29:51.230 --> 0:29:53.370
<v Speaker 3>never seen because they always gloss over the fact of

0:29:53.430 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 3>like his childhood and the trauma that he went through

0:29:56.060 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 3>and they kind of just kind of rushed to like

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.180
<v Speaker 3>him being an adult and like training as to become Batman,

0:30:00.740 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 3>but seeing him in that like child state and having

0:30:05.290 --> 0:30:07.630
<v Speaker 3>those dark, dark thoughts early on, it was like, okay,

0:30:07.650 --> 0:30:12.430
<v Speaker 3>this is a different series. And then, um, I think

0:30:12.490 --> 0:30:14.510
<v Speaker 3>for the other part that I really just remember, which

0:30:14.570 --> 0:30:17.010
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like how they're changing up the, the

0:30:17.050 --> 0:30:19.330
<v Speaker 3>way we view characters. I don't remember too much blood

0:30:19.350 --> 0:30:20.930
<v Speaker 3>this season was bloody as hell.

0:30:20.950 --> 0:30:23.250
<v Speaker 2>So I agree with you on that. Yeah.

0:30:23.370 --> 0:30:23.610
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:24.190 --> 0:30:30.730
<v Speaker 5>Which I appreciated them doing that. But yeah, I did

0:30:30.770 --> 0:30:32.470
<v Speaker 5>not expect that guy to die. I just knew he

0:30:32.490 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 5>was going to jail. Yeah, it seemed like it.

0:30:36.220 --> 0:30:37.820
<v Speaker 2>And it was creepy, Jay. I don't know if you

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>got this too.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.860
<v Speaker 3>When she was just like, she did that because she

0:30:40.900 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, the thing that I've been believing in

0:30:43.460 --> 0:30:46.020
<v Speaker 3>for so long, it has to be real. I can't

0:30:46.060 --> 0:30:48.220
<v Speaker 3>believe that I just got duped by this white man

0:30:48.730 --> 0:30:50.510
<v Speaker 3>who just wanted our money and just wanted to collect

0:30:50.550 --> 0:30:53.350
<v Speaker 3>all these jewels. and not it be actually something that

0:30:53.390 --> 0:30:55.170
<v Speaker 3>was meant to kind of help redeem me. Cause I

0:30:55.190 --> 0:30:57.540
<v Speaker 3>think she was like going through some stuff and like,

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 3>she needed this cult to kind of save her. And like,

0:31:01.900 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 3>it's the way she was. And the way she was

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.020
<v Speaker 3>talking to them. So it was like real creepy because

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:05.540
<v Speaker 3>it was sad.

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 4>This is, this is one of the parts was like

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:16.950
<v Speaker 4>more adult themes, especially, especially cause people can give themselves

0:31:16.990 --> 0:31:18.890
<v Speaker 4>to like these coats because they need something to believe in.

0:31:18.890 --> 0:31:20.570
<v Speaker 2>And you could tell that's something that she really needs.

0:31:20.590 --> 0:31:21.250
<v Speaker 2>She needed it.

0:31:21.710 --> 0:31:26.890
<v Speaker 4>Like, Yes, she felt betrayed, but she felt betrayed by, like,

0:31:28.050 --> 0:31:32.170
<v Speaker 4>not the idea or the religion of the cult, but

0:31:32.210 --> 0:31:33.170
<v Speaker 4>more so by the person.

0:31:33.370 --> 0:31:35.260
<v Speaker 2>But she still believed in this idea.

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.300
<v Speaker 4>Like you said, that was the creepy part about it

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.620
<v Speaker 4>is that you didn't just see that this whole shit

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 4>was a lie, that you still believe in this, but

0:31:43.180 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 4>she just needed that thing to believe in. And because

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.410
<v Speaker 4>it was attached to Batman, with Batman being, like, the

0:31:50.510 --> 0:31:51.469
<v Speaker 4>deity or the.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.620
<v Speaker 4>Basically the jesus of the religion like he still exists

0:31:57.980 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 4>he ain't going nowhere it's like it's like being in

0:32:00.140 --> 0:32:02.860
<v Speaker 4>the church jesus still exists but the pastor just fucked

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.790
<v Speaker 4>up so i can still believe in jesus it's just

0:32:05.850 --> 0:32:08.030
<v Speaker 4>fuck the pastor i'll just go to another church and

0:32:08.050 --> 0:32:10.310
<v Speaker 4>that's how she but it's still creepy because it's like

0:32:10.350 --> 0:32:12.350
<v Speaker 4>you don't see how this person prayed on you to

0:32:12.390 --> 0:32:16.810
<v Speaker 4>make you believe in this um but yeah this was

0:32:16.830 --> 0:32:19.530
<v Speaker 4>this was a real dope episode i didn't think were

0:32:19.570 --> 0:32:20.830
<v Speaker 4>going to do this and i thought maybe they was

0:32:20.890 --> 0:32:22.410
<v Speaker 4>hitting at the court of uh owls yeah.

0:32:22.350 --> 0:32:24.730
<v Speaker 3>I thought i thought that's what it was going to

0:32:24.780 --> 0:32:26.990
<v Speaker 3>lean into because i was like this is dope but

0:32:27.020 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 3>then it was just this goofy stuff because like that

0:32:28.620 --> 0:32:31.060
<v Speaker 3>black kid pissed me off bro i hated how he

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 3>got taken out too bro i mean this is still

0:32:34.060 --> 0:32:36.100
<v Speaker 3>this is awesome i.

0:32:44.490 --> 0:32:46.430
<v Speaker 4>I think the way that nigga took that money, he

0:32:46.570 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 4>was trying to run through the sewer.

0:32:48.260 --> 0:32:49.420
<v Speaker 1>That shit was damn funny.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:56.270
<v Speaker 2>He was awesome. He was awesome. Alternative Shawshank. He said,

0:32:56.310 --> 0:32:57.130
<v Speaker 2>I got 10 million.

0:32:57.490 --> 0:32:58.910
<v Speaker 3>Would you go through the sewer if you could get

0:32:58.910 --> 0:33:00.650
<v Speaker 3>10 million dollars at the other end?

0:33:01.050 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I might, Ken. I might. I ain't on mic, nigga.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm making it happen, bro. 10 million to go through this...

0:33:06.380 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, never mind.

0:33:07.060 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>It's the sewer, bro.

0:33:07.860 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is Gotham City sewer. You can run up

0:33:09.940 --> 0:33:11.950
<v Speaker 2>to Killer Croc and do that. Yeah, you right.

0:33:12.230 --> 0:33:12.690
<v Speaker 1>You right.

0:33:13.090 --> 0:33:15.630
<v Speaker 4>But that tell you how scummy a nigga he was

0:33:15.670 --> 0:33:17.729
<v Speaker 4>to go through the fucking sewer, bro.

0:33:17.750 --> 0:33:19.630
<v Speaker 2>You ain't tell me, bro. When he killed the black

0:33:19.650 --> 0:33:21.090
<v Speaker 2>kid just because he questioned him.

0:33:21.730 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, he was scummy.

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.660
<v Speaker 2>What about the other episode, Jay? What did you think

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:28.220
<v Speaker 2>about the.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>What was it? The Spectre episode where the.

0:33:32.820 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Barbara's former colleague, who's a cop, how he died and

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 3>came back to life and started killing everybody that he

0:33:40.700 --> 0:33:42.180
<v Speaker 3>was associated with that got away.

0:33:44.310 --> 0:33:48.590
<v Speaker 4>I thought this was a good episode. I think the

0:33:48.650 --> 0:33:50.209
<v Speaker 4>ending is what sealed it for me, that it was

0:33:50.230 --> 0:33:54.610
<v Speaker 4>a real good episode. Obviously, he's going on a kill spree,

0:33:54.630 --> 0:33:58.390
<v Speaker 4>killing everybody. You think he's going to kill Barbara, too,

0:33:58.430 --> 0:34:00.620
<v Speaker 4>because she was a part of the investigation, everything that

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:06.620
<v Speaker 4>went on. But he basically asked her for forgiveness. He

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 4>wants her to forgive him.

0:34:10.950 --> 0:34:13.489
<v Speaker 2>Did Barbara forgive him, though? I don't think she did.

0:34:14.150 --> 0:34:17.650
<v Speaker 2>Maybe with her eyes. She didn't say anything. I think

0:34:17.670 --> 0:34:20.570
<v Speaker 2>she was more shocked than anything. He dies right there.

0:34:20.650 --> 0:34:23.750
<v Speaker 4>I guess that's going to be his thing. I took

0:34:23.830 --> 0:34:27.969
<v Speaker 4>it as he still got to carry it to the afterlife.

0:34:27.989 --> 0:34:29.529
<v Speaker 3>When you were just saying it, I was thinking maybe

0:34:29.550 --> 0:34:31.390
<v Speaker 3>he didn't need her answer. He just wanted her to

0:34:31.430 --> 0:34:34.109
<v Speaker 3>know that's all that I need. Like that was, those

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.870
<v Speaker 3>are my last thoughts. Like after everything that's been happening

0:34:36.890 --> 0:34:39.070
<v Speaker 3>between us, which is funny because it was like, why

0:34:39.090 --> 0:34:41.250
<v Speaker 3>did you betray in the first place? If you, you

0:34:41.270 --> 0:34:42.690
<v Speaker 3>want to come, you want to come back from the

0:34:42.730 --> 0:34:45.469
<v Speaker 3>dead just, just to make amends when you could have

0:34:45.489 --> 0:34:47.580
<v Speaker 3>just lived and been fine.

0:34:47.660 --> 0:34:54.180
<v Speaker 2>But I guess that's life. And death. Um, but, I

0:34:54.219 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I looked at it a little bit. I

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 2>get your point.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 4>I took it as he doesn't really get forgiveness, even

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.300
<v Speaker 4>though he did all this to ask for that forgiveness.

0:35:03.580 --> 0:35:04.660
<v Speaker 2>He still did a lot.

0:35:04.460 --> 0:35:06.620
<v Speaker 4>Of bullshit in between that, and he still got to

0:35:06.660 --> 0:35:10.450
<v Speaker 4>pay for that. He doesn't really get to rest, you

0:35:10.469 --> 0:35:12.150
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, with forgiveness. He still got to

0:35:12.190 --> 0:35:15.670
<v Speaker 4>carry that to wherever else. Barbara gets to live with

0:35:15.690 --> 0:35:18.350
<v Speaker 4>the fact of, oh, this person wanted forgiveness from me,

0:35:18.350 --> 0:35:20.089
<v Speaker 4>so it gives her a little bit more closure, but

0:35:20.130 --> 0:35:20.950
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't really get it.

0:35:20.950 --> 0:35:23.330
<v Speaker 2>So that's why I was like, it sealed it for me.

0:35:23.370 --> 0:35:25.630
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, damn, he got to kind of carry

0:35:25.650 --> 0:35:25.950
<v Speaker 2>that shit on.

0:35:25.950 --> 0:35:26.990
<v Speaker 4>That's all I was going to ask y'all. I wanted

0:35:27.010 --> 0:35:28.450
<v Speaker 4>to make sure I wasn't wrong when I was thinking,

0:35:28.820 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 4>did she forgive him? I don't think she, but I'm

0:35:30.660 --> 0:35:31.319
<v Speaker 4>pretty sure she did.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:33.180
<v Speaker 2>What about you, Ken?

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.740
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought this one was fine.

0:35:40.820 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 5>He definitely suffered a lot when that shit didn't... Hey,

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:52.890
<v Speaker 5>when it didn't work. Yeah, he went through hell. But overall, yeah,

0:35:53.130 --> 0:35:54.890
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was fine. I don't really remember too,

0:35:54.930 --> 0:35:57.049
<v Speaker 5>too much about this one. I just remember it running

0:35:57.070 --> 0:35:59.250
<v Speaker 5>around just killing folks.

0:35:59.660 --> 0:36:01.069
<v Speaker 1>And that's about it.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, the next one, the next episode kind of talks

0:36:06.100 --> 0:36:08.180
<v Speaker 3>about what we were talking about earlier with like the

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 3>fear toxin.

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.660
<v Speaker 2>So I guess like Scarecrow kind of had his.

0:36:12.620 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Arc this season because even though Hugo Strange died, we

0:36:15.540 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 3>see that there was a string of deaths on Gotham City,

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.569
<v Speaker 3>Gotham University campus. All the victims were screaming about all

0:36:23.590 --> 0:36:26.290
<v Speaker 3>the fears that they had of dying for it. And

0:36:26.310 --> 0:36:30.549
<v Speaker 3>this is where we see Montoya revealed that she's been

0:36:30.590 --> 0:36:35.820
<v Speaker 3>hiding Harley Quinn or Harleen Quinzel in her apartment.

0:36:36.100 --> 0:36:38.060
<v Speaker 2>This is the goofy part about.

0:36:37.900 --> 0:36:38.580
<v Speaker 1>This show, Kim.

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 3>It's like, so the most wanted woman in the city.

0:36:44.630 --> 0:36:46.190
<v Speaker 3>It's just, it's on temp street.

0:36:46.210 --> 0:36:48.210
<v Speaker 2>It's shagging up with a cop. Yeah, it's shagging up

0:36:48.230 --> 0:36:48.589
<v Speaker 2>with a cop.

0:36:48.830 --> 0:36:50.569
<v Speaker 3>A cop that's supposed to have all these morals and

0:36:50.630 --> 0:36:53.140
<v Speaker 3>integrity and all that. But when, hey, Jay, when it

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 3>come to pussy though, we toss all that out the window.

0:36:57.660 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't care what creed or color or gender you are,

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.410
<v Speaker 3>but this, this was interesting.

0:37:01.430 --> 0:37:02.129
<v Speaker 1>This crazy ones.

0:37:02.790 --> 0:37:06.500
<v Speaker 3>Hey, You don't get more crazy than Harleen.

0:37:06.580 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>That's why she in the apartment, Nick.

0:37:10.860 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>I respect it.

0:37:11.900 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I respect it.

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.500
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Montoya had to put her on lock now, too.

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 3>She's like, listen, you can't go nowhere but the bedroom

0:37:18.900 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 3>and the kitchen.

0:37:20.140 --> 0:37:21.950
<v Speaker 4>And honestly, the more I think about it, it probably

0:37:21.989 --> 0:37:23.260
<v Speaker 4>wasn't because of the cop situation.

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.370
<v Speaker 2>I don't want nobody else near you. Like, you can't

0:37:25.510 --> 0:37:28.890
<v Speaker 2>go by the window. Don't let nobody see you in there.

0:37:29.070 --> 0:37:30.230
<v Speaker 2>What did you think about this episode, Kev?

0:37:32.010 --> 0:37:35.149
<v Speaker 5>I did enjoy this episode. Um, I do remember this

0:37:35.310 --> 0:37:38.390
<v Speaker 5>one cause, uh, cause she sat down and had that.

0:37:38.290 --> 0:37:40.489
<v Speaker 1>Whole meeting with, uh, Barbara.

0:37:41.830 --> 0:37:44.919
<v Speaker 5>Barbara's like, yeah, I got a feeling she's still alive though.

0:37:44.980 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 5>It's something, something just bugging me to say shit. And

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 5>she's sitting up in her damn apartment and, uh, on lockdown.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.180
<v Speaker 5>And I knew she was going to fall asleep when

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.450
<v Speaker 5>she went in there. Uh, that's typical. Um, and then she,

0:38:02.050 --> 0:38:04.569
<v Speaker 5>broke out to go figure out who it was. But

0:38:04.610 --> 0:38:07.790
<v Speaker 5>what I liked about this one though, was the misdirection.

0:38:07.850 --> 0:38:10.750
<v Speaker 5>Cause they got me like, I did think it was

0:38:10.810 --> 0:38:11.370
<v Speaker 5>a professor.

0:38:11.390 --> 0:38:15.250
<v Speaker 1>Me too. I was just about to say that. Yeah. Yeah.

0:38:15.310 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 5>So when that shit was that damn student crane junior,

0:38:18.300 --> 0:38:20.620
<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh, wait a minute.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty damn dope. Um, so yeah, yeah. I enjoyed

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>how they did this one.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.070
<v Speaker 5>Cause he had people, uh, messing themselves up, scratching and

0:38:31.530 --> 0:38:34.089
<v Speaker 5>spiders and seeing all kinds of shit. Now Batman got

0:38:34.130 --> 0:38:36.410
<v Speaker 5>over his shit a little too easy with his no fear,

0:38:36.450 --> 0:38:37.990
<v Speaker 5>no fear shit and jumping out the window.

0:38:38.450 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. That shit, yeah, that shit, that

0:38:40.900 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of bothered me. But how?

0:38:42.820 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm thinking, again, this iteration, he been crazy.

0:38:46.900 --> 0:38:51.060
<v Speaker 2>Like he, what, this goes back to the, uh, our

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:51.910
<v Speaker 2>lantern reviews.

0:38:51.930 --> 0:38:54.690
<v Speaker 3>Remember when Hal Jordan said, like, once you lose a parent,

0:38:55.650 --> 0:38:57.690
<v Speaker 3>what else do you have to fear or something like that?

0:38:58.170 --> 0:39:00.340
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they used.

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.259
<v Speaker 3>It must have been a similar writer's room because they

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 3>just went to the extreme because obviously we had a

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.500
<v Speaker 3>whole first season about how Bruce is really still messed

0:39:07.540 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 3>up about his parents dying in front of him.

0:39:11.020 --> 0:39:13.529
<v Speaker 2>So when someone shows him a fear, what could he

0:39:13.570 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>be afraid of?

0:39:14.130 --> 0:39:18.469
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think a part of his fear is

0:39:19.650 --> 0:39:22.969
<v Speaker 4>for Batman, there's the loneliness.

0:39:22.550 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Aspect of it. There's just this feel of not being...

0:39:25.739 --> 0:39:26.750
<v Speaker 2>It sounds weird.

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 4>But the truth is like not not being enough like

0:39:29.489 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 4>i don't i think there's still things they could have

0:39:33.580 --> 0:39:37.479
<v Speaker 4>used but this just seemed like it was just too

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.380
<v Speaker 4>easy for him bro you could be like even the

0:39:40.420 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 4>craziest person has fears bro like that's part of the

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.569
<v Speaker 4>reason what drives like motivates them to do what they

0:39:45.610 --> 0:39:48.110
<v Speaker 4>do but see so what i thought originally when we

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.859
<v Speaker 4>see what his fear is that like no matter what

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 4>he does gotham will still be in ruins even even

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.060
<v Speaker 4>as he ages like no matter how long he's been

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.339
<v Speaker 4>at the job gotham will never be safe i thought

0:39:59.380 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 4>that's what his fear but then when he was just

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:02.580
<v Speaker 4>like he was like oh.

0:40:02.420 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 3>If the city messed up i'm jumping out the window

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 3>no matter what going on i was like oh he's

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.150
<v Speaker 3>just insane like to be honest like again Batman is

0:40:12.170 --> 0:40:13.170
<v Speaker 3>an insane man.

0:40:13.510 --> 0:40:15.299
<v Speaker 2>Like as much as we respect them and as much

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 2>as we like kind of adorn the things that he

0:40:19.380 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>represents and who he is, he's still an insane man.

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's why he fits the city so much.

0:40:25.620 --> 0:40:27.350
<v Speaker 2>Cause it's like, bro, who else would do this?

0:40:27.950 --> 0:40:28.149
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:28.210 --> 0:40:30.250
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not, that's not wrong.

0:40:30.270 --> 0:40:33.450
<v Speaker 4>And I definitely think he is insane in his own way.

0:40:34.950 --> 0:40:37.050
<v Speaker 4>And I think he knows that too. That's why the, the,

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.509
<v Speaker 4>no kill line is for him because it's like to him,

0:40:40.570 --> 0:40:42.109
<v Speaker 4>it makes him feel like he's more moral in.

0:40:42.070 --> 0:40:44.810
<v Speaker 2>His insane, in his insanity than everybody else. You know

0:40:44.830 --> 0:40:47.210
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? And I think those are different fears

0:40:47.230 --> 0:40:48.049
<v Speaker 2>that you could use.

0:40:48.090 --> 0:40:52.509
<v Speaker 4>Like, like the, the feeling of him, like you said,

0:40:52.550 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 4>not being able to save Gotham, which at the end

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 4>of the day, you never go like all these years

0:40:57.660 --> 0:40:59.339
<v Speaker 4>of fighting and you still ain't saved. It's just still

0:40:59.380 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 4>fucked up. It's going to stay fucked up. So like, like,

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.060
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's a lot of ways they could have

0:41:08.460 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 4>attacked this, and they really didn't. And that's what was

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 4>disappointing about that part of it. I was like, that

0:41:14.140 --> 0:41:16.580
<v Speaker 4>was pretty quick for him to get over that fear

0:41:16.620 --> 0:41:17.620
<v Speaker 4>toxin that fast.

0:41:17.660 --> 0:41:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I wanted him to have a true struggle, but he didn't.

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.660
<v Speaker 4>But also, I don't know if I was a fan

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:29.150
<v Speaker 4>of him and Harleen teaming up to do detective work.

0:41:29.390 --> 0:41:30.950
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't the biggest fan of that.

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:36.280
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's more of my attachment to Harley

0:41:36.380 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Quinn being.

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:45.850
<v Speaker 2>A more sane Joker. You know what I'm saying?

0:41:47.010 --> 0:41:49.890
<v Speaker 4>And obviously be another iteration of the Joker in this season.

0:41:50.330 --> 0:41:53.509
<v Speaker 4>But it just don't seem like something she would completely

0:41:53.630 --> 0:41:58.380
<v Speaker 4>do unless she was completely. I'm trying to remember now.

0:41:58.420 --> 0:42:00.819
<v Speaker 2>What was the motivation for her helping him? Well, she

0:42:00.860 --> 0:42:03.790
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to get out the house. Exactly.

0:42:03.810 --> 0:42:06.170
<v Speaker 3>Get noticed for being in a marriage.

0:42:06.190 --> 0:42:08.029
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they just want to get out the house. No

0:42:08.090 --> 0:42:10.469
<v Speaker 2>matter what they got going on, they just want to

0:42:10.750 --> 0:42:12.330
<v Speaker 2>go outside. That's what I'm saying.

0:42:12.390 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't no true motivation for her to be working

0:42:14.620 --> 0:42:16.940
<v Speaker 4>with Batman after Batman was just an enemy.

0:42:16.980 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Batman is the reason why you're stuck in this house.

0:42:20.020 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 3>She still wants to do... She's still an intelligent being.

0:42:23.739 --> 0:42:25.219
<v Speaker 3>And one, she wanted to get out of the house. Two,

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.310
<v Speaker 3>she still wants to work on cases. She was always like,

0:42:28.820 --> 0:42:31.420
<v Speaker 3>kind of talking to herself in the house, like, all right,

0:42:31.500 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 3>if I was on this case, how would I break

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 3>down this person? How would I break down, like, she

0:42:34.500 --> 0:42:38.180
<v Speaker 3>kept on doing her, like, her analysis on all these

0:42:38.219 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 3>crazy individuals.

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of what turns her on, too.

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.780
<v Speaker 3>Like, that's her, that's her, that's what gets her going.

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:49.299
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like, again, both people who have insane

0:42:49.620 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 3>mentalities in a, but trying to, like you said, keep

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:56.260
<v Speaker 3>a sane personality at the forefront, they would link up together.

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.609
<v Speaker 3>And I also think, Ken, I don't know if you

0:42:57.630 --> 0:43:00.509
<v Speaker 3>agree with this or not, They're trying to inch towards like,

0:43:00.650 --> 0:43:03.689
<v Speaker 3>how do we introduce Robin and anybody else he works

0:43:03.730 --> 0:43:05.410
<v Speaker 3>with in this world if we.

0:43:05.350 --> 0:43:07.810
<v Speaker 2>Keep showing him as somebody who don't like working with people?

0:43:08.210 --> 0:43:10.010
<v Speaker 3>And we got him working with a lot of people

0:43:10.070 --> 0:43:13.049
<v Speaker 3>this season, more than last season. He went back to

0:43:13.090 --> 0:43:16.660
<v Speaker 3>the Black Witch Doctor. He's working with Harleen. We, of course,

0:43:16.700 --> 0:43:19.259
<v Speaker 3>get to the Goofy Kid later on. But it's like

0:43:19.300 --> 0:43:22.860
<v Speaker 3>he's opening himself up more to having a partner. And

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 3>that was like maybe how they were tying in. Like,

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 3>why is he working with Harleen? Because he's trying to,

0:43:28.219 --> 0:43:30.940
<v Speaker 3>you know, He can't do everything. He can't think of everything.

0:43:30.980 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 3>He is intelligent, but he ain't the smartest man in

0:43:32.580 --> 0:43:32.899
<v Speaker 3>the world.

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.149
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I am with Jalen in that it did

0:43:38.210 --> 0:43:42.870
<v Speaker 5>seem odd that a person that's on the run from

0:43:42.890 --> 0:43:47.390
<v Speaker 5>the cops will become your partner. Because I don't know

0:43:47.430 --> 0:43:50.109
<v Speaker 5>if he really needed her, even though she said that

0:43:50.450 --> 0:43:55.250
<v Speaker 5>she did. But either way I go, I mean, I

0:43:55.290 --> 0:44:01.180
<v Speaker 5>think if that's what they're trying to convince us about,

0:44:01.340 --> 0:44:03.460
<v Speaker 5>then I guess it worked. Cause he, he, he did

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.140
<v Speaker 5>end up working with a lot of people, but I

0:44:05.940 --> 0:44:08.299
<v Speaker 5>also think that I ain't going to.

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Say this Batman wasn't really good at his job.

0:44:10.540 --> 0:44:13.919
<v Speaker 5>But he let a lot of people die and didn't

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:14.800
<v Speaker 5>really care.

0:44:15.860 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 2>He's at the end of the day, Batman.

0:44:19.910 --> 0:44:27.489
<v Speaker 3>Hey kid, listen, When it comes to basketball, you know

0:44:27.510 --> 0:44:31.109
<v Speaker 3>what they always say, to average, what, 20 points a game,

0:44:31.130 --> 0:44:32.690
<v Speaker 3>you just got to get five every quarter.

0:44:33.290 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>He got 20 every fourth quarter.

0:44:35.660 --> 0:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was.

0:44:37.380 --> 0:44:41.060
<v Speaker 3>Because he was, he ain't show up for the first half,

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:44.100
<v Speaker 3>second half of some of these games until the last play.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 3>I was like, all right, well, in the newspapers, they're

0:44:47.260 --> 0:44:50.390
<v Speaker 3>going to say Batman defeated what's today. But for us watching,

0:44:50.430 --> 0:44:52.650
<v Speaker 3>it was like, oh, bro, that was too close for comfort.

0:44:53.870 --> 0:44:54.509
<v Speaker 1>Mm-hmm.

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.460
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because that girl, remember the girl, because he saved,

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 5>I think he saved Harley, and he let that girl

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:03.610
<v Speaker 5>jump out the damn window.

0:45:04.140 --> 0:45:06.989
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, when the scary stuff was going on, the girl, like,

0:45:07.010 --> 0:45:09.129
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, like, I was like, bro, take

0:45:09.150 --> 0:45:09.609
<v Speaker 3>care of her.

0:45:09.690 --> 0:45:14.020
<v Speaker 2>Harley's cool in the corner. She about to drink the milk.

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.129
<v Speaker 2>I was like, man. Yeah, that threw me off.

0:45:18.270 --> 0:45:20.650
<v Speaker 4>A lot of people died on this Batman watch, boy.

0:45:21.290 --> 0:45:23.050
<v Speaker 1>This is insane, bro.

0:45:23.489 --> 0:45:26.170
<v Speaker 3>Hey, but at the same time, you can't save them all.

0:45:26.210 --> 0:45:27.910
<v Speaker 3>What they say about every superhero, they got to learn

0:45:27.930 --> 0:45:29.410
<v Speaker 3>how to deal with that. I can't save them all.

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of somebody also being saved, we see in the

0:45:39.219 --> 0:45:43.950
<v Speaker 3>next episode, the Riddler gunned down... what's his name, Phil Forrest,

0:45:44.750 --> 0:45:47.970
<v Speaker 3>the flower cop, the former cop who owns the flower shop,

0:45:48.510 --> 0:45:49.009
<v Speaker 3>in front of.

0:45:49.010 --> 0:45:50.010
<v Speaker 2>His daughter, Rose.

0:45:51.350 --> 0:45:53.410
<v Speaker 3>And then this caused Rose to have a mental breakdown.

0:45:53.430 --> 0:45:55.810
<v Speaker 3>First of all, Ken, he was talking to his daughter crazy, like,

0:45:55.890 --> 0:45:57.230
<v Speaker 3>all right, now your mama was crazy. You need to

0:45:57.250 --> 0:46:00.870
<v Speaker 3>stay off that mess. Especially if you go work with

0:46:00.890 --> 0:46:04.430
<v Speaker 3>me at this shop. Then he ended up dying. She

0:46:04.450 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 3>got a mental breakdown, and it's becoming what we know

0:46:06.820 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 3>as Poison Ivy.

0:46:07.500 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 5>What you think about this episode, Ken? Well, I think

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 5>she's supposed to be a a different character. Thorn and

0:46:15.980 --> 0:46:19.910
<v Speaker 5>not Poison Ivy. So I don't know what they're doing

0:46:19.950 --> 0:46:23.830
<v Speaker 5>there because I was for sure for certain that that

0:46:23.870 --> 0:46:24.910
<v Speaker 5>was Poison Ivy.

0:46:24.969 --> 0:46:27.229
<v Speaker 1>But either way I go, Thorn slash Poison Ivy.

0:46:28.310 --> 0:46:32.690
<v Speaker 5>I really like this episode because of the ending because

0:46:33.550 --> 0:46:35.450
<v Speaker 5>that shit shocked the shit out of me.

0:46:35.750 --> 0:46:39.270
<v Speaker 1>I did not see that happening at all. But she

0:46:39.330 --> 0:46:41.090
<v Speaker 1>played the fuck out of it.

0:46:41.469 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 5>Hey bro he fell for it i mean she walked

0:46:45.540 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 5>him all the way through from the moment she walked

0:46:48.060 --> 0:46:51.060
<v Speaker 5>in the club she went all his best spots they

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.870
<v Speaker 5>went on these damn crime sprees together all just to

0:46:56.050 --> 0:47:00.910
<v Speaker 5>set up this trap man when a woman's fed up nick.

0:47:01.330 --> 0:47:06.670
<v Speaker 2>Hey bro hey shit Hey, they say, well, Andre St.

0:47:06.710 --> 0:47:10.380
<v Speaker 2>Rose would smell like boo-boo. It's going to look good.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Don't be good.

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.919
<v Speaker 3>What do you think about this episode, Jay?

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Man, I fuck with her playing the long game, bro.

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Made that nigga get nice and comfortable, bro. Even told

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.859
<v Speaker 4>his main chick, listen, all that rah-rah shit you talking about,

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't even care about that nigga like that. I'm

0:47:26.219 --> 0:47:28.750
<v Speaker 4>going to get what I need. The main thought was like,

0:47:29.770 --> 0:47:31.250
<v Speaker 4>You just decide. Use the side piece.

0:47:31.270 --> 0:47:33.450
<v Speaker 2>I ain't going to worry about you. But nah, she

0:47:33.469 --> 0:47:35.730
<v Speaker 2>played the long game. And I respect it, for real,

0:47:35.750 --> 0:47:37.390
<v Speaker 2>for real. Like, she had a goal.

0:47:37.469 --> 0:47:38.069
<v Speaker 1>She sat there.

0:47:38.310 --> 0:47:40.830
<v Speaker 4>She proved her loyalty. She did all that just to

0:47:40.870 --> 0:47:43.390
<v Speaker 4>get that nigga nice and comfortable. Just to take that

0:47:43.430 --> 0:47:44.020
<v Speaker 4>nigga out.

0:47:44.180 --> 0:47:44.419
<v Speaker 1>Like.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.219
<v Speaker 3>Hey, I'll say this, though, Jay. Riddler must have been

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.569
<v Speaker 3>slanging it. Cause the main chick was that ride or

0:47:51.630 --> 0:47:54.720
<v Speaker 3>die for him until the end. She was even, she

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 3>was even popping that Batman and crying at the end

0:47:57.420 --> 0:47:58.340
<v Speaker 3>of it.

0:47:59.020 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>How did I lose him?

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.820
<v Speaker 3>How did I was like, this really, he gave him

0:48:03.860 --> 0:48:05.110
<v Speaker 3>crosswords to everybody.

0:48:05.350 --> 0:48:07.870
<v Speaker 4>Hey man, nigga was catching bodies in front of her

0:48:07.930 --> 0:48:10.410
<v Speaker 4>and she still was just holding it down with no fear.

0:48:10.469 --> 0:48:12.650
<v Speaker 2>Didn't care at all. Like that was her nigga. He's

0:48:12.670 --> 0:48:14.910
<v Speaker 2>smacking her ass in front of everybody and everything. Is

0:48:14.930 --> 0:48:16.490
<v Speaker 2>she happy? Giddy as hell?

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.460
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when it was definitely, she was all for that

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:23.340
<v Speaker 4>nigga for sure.

0:48:25.700 --> 0:48:28.540
<v Speaker 3>The ending though, Ken, you right, bro. That ending, I

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't think that was going to kill him off like that.

0:48:30.100 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking somebody's going to crash in. Again, I'm thinking,

0:48:34.140 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 3>where is Batman? Whenever I witness a crime in Gotham,

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, where is Batman? Especially in this episode. Like,

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 3>you're still young, Batman. You're supposed to have your best legs,

0:48:44.340 --> 0:48:46.859
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying? The most stamina. You should

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:48.700
<v Speaker 3>be running around this city twice.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Over, at least.

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.900
<v Speaker 1>But when she popped up, she escaped.

0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:59.049
<v Speaker 3>She took the Metro North to New York.

0:48:59.640 --> 0:48:59.970
<v Speaker 5>It was.

0:49:00.810 --> 0:49:02.170
<v Speaker 2>But I guess she's going to come back.

0:49:02.230 --> 0:49:05.110
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing I remember from the animated show, Jalen,

0:49:05.150 --> 0:49:09.150
<v Speaker 3>is that even when they do, like, Villain Orange's stories, like,

0:49:09.170 --> 0:49:11.090
<v Speaker 3>they give them an out to where, like, they can return.

0:49:11.110 --> 0:49:14.770
<v Speaker 3>They didn't even need Superman, the animated series, too. The

0:49:14.830 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 3>villains that they were creating, they always gave you out.

0:49:17.060 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 2>They may be back.

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 3>So I think the fact that she finished her arc

0:49:21.540 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 3>redeeming her former self, now she's going to be Thorn, Ivy,

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:28.620
<v Speaker 3>whatever you call it, moving forward if we see her

0:49:28.660 --> 0:49:29.300
<v Speaker 3>in season three.

0:49:31.590 --> 0:49:33.930
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, we may get it. I hope she

0:49:33.950 --> 0:49:35.950
<v Speaker 2>comes back like how they did Harleen.

0:49:36.450 --> 0:49:37.529
<v Speaker 1>Like, she had it.

0:49:37.989 --> 0:49:40.490
<v Speaker 4>You got the backstory, but hopefully they give her something

0:49:40.510 --> 0:49:42.350
<v Speaker 4>better than what they gave Harleen this season because that

0:49:42.370 --> 0:49:43.109
<v Speaker 4>shit there, bro.

0:49:43.230 --> 0:49:43.750
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah.

0:49:43.910 --> 0:49:45.569
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. We're going to gloss it over.

0:49:45.770 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 2>How you get arrested on ice skates, bro?

0:49:48.590 --> 0:49:48.980
<v Speaker 1>Come on.

0:49:49.780 --> 0:49:54.339
<v Speaker 4>That's the way they broke up. The way they broke

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 4>up was trash, too. I was like, man, okay. Let's

0:49:58.460 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 4>just move on to the next episode. Next episode, we

0:50:03.190 --> 0:50:05.229
<v Speaker 4>got Carrie Kelly, who's an orphan girl.

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.140
<v Speaker 3>That lives with black parents can we over here trying

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:12.930
<v Speaker 3>to save the world once again um and the uh

0:50:13.230 --> 0:50:16.530
<v Speaker 3>the patrol man who uh flashed through under the bus

0:50:16.950 --> 0:50:18.469
<v Speaker 3>or he was a good detective now he just a

0:50:18.489 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 3>patrol man is on her ass every day because she

0:50:22.540 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 3>a orphan he'll like broke kids um.

0:50:25.980 --> 0:50:27.690
<v Speaker 5>And you don't want to do that job either He

0:50:27.710 --> 0:50:29.770
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to do that job. Man, he been begging

0:50:29.790 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 5>this black man to get his job back.

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 3>I was smiling every time the black man smiled because

0:50:37.300 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 3>that's how they do us. He getting that same treatment

0:50:41.380 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 3>we've been getting for 400 years. What did y'all think

0:50:44.980 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 3>about this episode? Because we also get an introduction to

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.060
<v Speaker 3>our version of, well, his name was Mr. Zero, but

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:51.110
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he's supposed to be Mr.

0:50:51.140 --> 0:50:51.500
<v Speaker 1>Freeze.

0:50:53.700 --> 0:50:57.589
<v Speaker 2>What was your thoughts on this episode? Um, this one

0:50:57.610 --> 0:50:58.110
<v Speaker 2>was fine.

0:50:58.469 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 5>Um, you know, I, I'm trying to figure out, I guess,

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 5>is this kid supposed to be Robin? So I, I

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:08.500
<v Speaker 5>was assuming that was the purpose of it, but I

0:51:08.540 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 5>did like the new villain.

0:51:09.860 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 1>That they, they introduced. I thought it was going to

0:51:12.780 --> 0:51:14.230
<v Speaker 1>be bang, bang at first.

0:51:15.350 --> 0:51:19.890
<v Speaker 5>Um, but yeah, it, it, it wasn't, but yeah, he, he, he,

0:51:20.110 --> 0:51:23.359
<v Speaker 5>he appeared to be pretty ruthless as well, but, that

0:51:23.410 --> 0:51:26.489
<v Speaker 5>little bad-ass kid need to go sit down somewhere. Uh,

0:51:26.530 --> 0:51:28.770
<v Speaker 5>just running around trying to commit crime and getting in

0:51:28.790 --> 0:51:30.549
<v Speaker 5>the way. And then Batman talking about, you saved my

0:51:30.610 --> 0:51:33.430
<v Speaker 5>life at the end, which, you know, of course, yeah,

0:51:33.810 --> 0:51:36.430
<v Speaker 5>I get it, but still, um, but overall I think

0:51:36.489 --> 0:51:38.430
<v Speaker 5>it was fine. And I think to your point earlier,

0:51:38.450 --> 0:51:40.090
<v Speaker 5>it was just them trying to find a way to

0:51:40.630 --> 0:51:44.069
<v Speaker 5>introduce the idea of Batman working with Robin or setting

0:51:44.110 --> 0:51:45.230
<v Speaker 5>us up for.

0:51:46.390 --> 0:51:50.899
<v Speaker 3>Robin, whatever Robin comes around. Jay, what were your thoughts?

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Cause I feel like last season, um, They introduced... There

0:51:54.020 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 3>was that orphan episode with the little girl who.

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:57.959
<v Speaker 2>In the carnival? Yeah, yeah.

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 3>And they named all the Robins that were in the

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.739
<v Speaker 3>comics in one room as orphans or whatever. So I

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.339
<v Speaker 3>thought that's how they got it out of the way.

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.010
<v Speaker 3>So I was surprised to see Carrie. Because I'm not sure...

0:52:06.930 --> 0:52:10.310
<v Speaker 3>Was she the spoiler in the comic books?

0:52:10.330 --> 0:52:13.190
<v Speaker 2>Or was that somebody... I can't remember. You about right.

0:52:13.489 --> 0:52:16.370
<v Speaker 4>It's somebody who's not as big. And it's not a

0:52:16.390 --> 0:52:17.010
<v Speaker 4>Robin character.

0:52:17.030 --> 0:52:19.850
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a Robin, but it's Robin-like. Yeah. Yeah.

0:52:20.450 --> 0:52:20.589
<v Speaker 6>Um.

0:52:22.270 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really care.

0:52:23.410 --> 0:52:25.340
<v Speaker 4>It was a good episode, but as far as me

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 4>being attached to it, I didn't care.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.819
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, man. But the reason why.

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.370
<v Speaker 4>This episode does get a slide, though, is because of

0:52:32.390 --> 0:52:35.830
<v Speaker 4>the next episode. But the kid part of it, just

0:52:35.850 --> 0:52:38.110
<v Speaker 4>them realizing, oh, I ain't really built for this shit.

0:52:39.380 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that.

0:52:40.580 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 4>They make Robin seem like he was built for it

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.660
<v Speaker 4>from day one, but this one reminds you, nah, there's

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 4>some kids out there who realize this shit ain't just

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:49.770
<v Speaker 4>fun and games. I'm supposed to keep my ass in

0:52:49.790 --> 0:52:53.210
<v Speaker 4>the house. That's a more grounded approach to this.

0:52:53.330 --> 0:52:57.049
<v Speaker 2>And Batman is still... Batman is really fucked up, right?

0:52:57.430 --> 0:52:59.730
<v Speaker 2>He is not... And I'm mad you got me saying

0:52:59.790 --> 0:53:03.660
<v Speaker 2>fucked up like that, too. Because he is. Because he is.

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.100
<v Speaker 2>You speak it from the heart. That's what I always

0:53:06.140 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 2>wanted you to say.

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:08.180
<v Speaker 3>But.

0:53:09.540 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 4>he's fucked up and that's why it wouldn't make sense

0:53:13.100 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 4>for him to have a Robin right now.

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Batman is always fucked up, but this one.

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:20.839
<v Speaker 4>Is really in a really bad spot as far as

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:22.779
<v Speaker 4>mentally and the Joker brings it out.

0:53:22.860 --> 0:53:24.859
<v Speaker 2>You can definitely see it in this last episode too.

0:53:25.140 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 2>This is reinforced. Yeah, I love how we.

0:53:27.700 --> 0:53:31.100
<v Speaker 3>Ended this episode where Cus gets popped before he even

0:53:31.140 --> 0:53:36.260
<v Speaker 3>says who he's working for. I love the fact that Batman,

0:53:36.300 --> 0:53:39.410
<v Speaker 3>even though he was real blunt with how it's like

0:53:39.450 --> 0:53:42.110
<v Speaker 3>to be a superhero in a city with Carrie.

0:53:42.730 --> 0:53:44.130
<v Speaker 2>When she saw it for herself, she's like, yeah, I'm

0:53:44.150 --> 0:53:44.750
<v Speaker 2>about to go back.

0:53:44.810 --> 0:53:47.709
<v Speaker 3>It's actually better going back home to Jerome and.

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.820
<v Speaker 2>Louie than it is to be out in the streets

0:53:50.860 --> 0:53:53.879
<v Speaker 2>with you. I'm taking my ass back to the crib.

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:55.760
<v Speaker 3>And she did him like how he'd be doing everybody

0:53:55.780 --> 0:53:59.280
<v Speaker 3>where he just disappeared before they even finished their sentence.

0:53:58.860 --> 0:54:01.590
<v Speaker 2>Because he ruined his hair. I like that part. Yeah,

0:54:01.610 --> 0:54:02.629
<v Speaker 2>I like how she did that to him.

0:54:03.690 --> 0:54:05.910
<v Speaker 3>But like you said, Jake, let's not bury the lead

0:54:05.969 --> 0:54:08.550
<v Speaker 3>anymore because we're about to wrap up. There is a

0:54:09.820 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 3>we ain't just get one joker episode joker was kind

0:54:12.340 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 3>of sprinkled throughout this whole series like how marvel did

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:19.670
<v Speaker 3>thanos and now we get two back-to-back episodes where we

0:54:19.690 --> 0:54:23.910
<v Speaker 3>get to see joker's big plan as he um makes

0:54:23.969 --> 0:54:26.509
<v Speaker 3>a grand entrance to the city when he puts the

0:54:26.550 --> 0:54:29.850
<v Speaker 3>fear toxin gas in the whole room where howdy uh

0:54:29.950 --> 0:54:33.250
<v Speaker 3>tech her uh news show whatever um and she just

0:54:33.270 --> 0:54:35.450
<v Speaker 3>ends up literally dying laughing what did you think about

0:54:35.489 --> 0:54:37.980
<v Speaker 3>how we got introduced to this version of the joker

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 3>this season and in these episodes jay.

0:54:39.780 --> 0:54:44.060
<v Speaker 4>I like it fit perfect he came and just started

0:54:44.100 --> 0:54:47.020
<v Speaker 4>taking things off the board like it's just like these

0:54:47.050 --> 0:54:51.129
<v Speaker 4>toxins the toxin like the lab toxins that the way

0:54:51.150 --> 0:54:56.130
<v Speaker 4>they showed it in these episodes was unsettling in the

0:54:56.190 --> 0:54:56.790
<v Speaker 4>fact that.

0:54:57.460 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 2>They were laughing longer than what we usually see.

0:54:59.660 --> 0:55:00.109
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:55:00.180 --> 0:55:03.089
<v Speaker 2>They kept laughing. They kept laughing. It made you feel

0:55:03.110 --> 0:55:05.850
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable while you weren't like, damn. Bro, I almost cut

0:55:05.890 --> 0:55:06.310
<v Speaker 2>it off.

0:55:06.810 --> 0:55:08.489
<v Speaker 4>Bro, it makes you feel like you would hate to

0:55:08.530 --> 0:55:10.730
<v Speaker 4>be stuck in that kind of like laughter. Like you ever,

0:55:11.030 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 4>you ever, uh, I know like laugh. so hard where

0:55:14.890 --> 0:55:16.940
<v Speaker 4>you can't stop laughing and it start to hurt.

0:55:17.180 --> 0:55:17.660
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:55:17.980 --> 0:55:21.900
<v Speaker 4>Like that was, it was like this, this painful. And

0:55:21.940 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 4>I was like, damn, that shit looked like it hurt

0:55:23.739 --> 0:55:24.320
<v Speaker 4>to be laughing.

0:55:24.340 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Cause then your vocal cords hurt everything. Yeah. Like, you

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:28.000
<v Speaker 2>know that.

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:29.879
<v Speaker 4>So when you watch the Joker over time, I guess

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:31.700
<v Speaker 4>you kind of get numb to the fact that.

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.910
<v Speaker 2>He does this, but they made.

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.410
<v Speaker 4>It seem unsettling. It made it seem like it was

0:55:36.510 --> 0:55:40.370
<v Speaker 4>really a painful thing to happen. And then for the,

0:55:40.469 --> 0:55:42.969
<v Speaker 4>for it to happen to, to Alfred, you know what

0:55:43.010 --> 0:55:47.550
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying? Um, was even like another gut punch before

0:55:47.570 --> 0:55:50.270
<v Speaker 4>we get to the last episode. So this episode here

0:55:50.770 --> 0:55:53.270
<v Speaker 4>was definitely just giving us all the jokers. You know,

0:55:53.790 --> 0:55:55.569
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to rely on him because we know

0:55:55.610 --> 0:55:58.410
<v Speaker 4>he's the biggest Batman villain, but you also got to

0:55:58.450 --> 0:56:00.660
<v Speaker 4>give him respect. And the way they did this season

0:56:01.090 --> 0:56:03.460
<v Speaker 4>was perfect to give him these last two episodes and

0:56:03.500 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 4>give us enough of him to still feel like, damn,

0:56:07.420 --> 0:56:08.900
<v Speaker 4>this nigga was lingering the whole.

0:56:08.660 --> 0:56:12.750
<v Speaker 2>Entire time, but the season didn't completely just focus on him. Ken,

0:56:12.790 --> 0:56:14.029
<v Speaker 2>do you think he came and went?

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<v Speaker 1>Um.

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<v Speaker 2>Pause?

0:56:21.450 --> 0:56:25.850
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did get... We did get, like.

0:56:26.030 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 5>Two episodes with him, so I respected that they gave

0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.430
<v Speaker 5>him room to kind of breathe, you know, because we

0:56:37.469 --> 0:56:39.900
<v Speaker 5>had been watching him, and we were like, okay, where's

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:40.259
<v Speaker 5>the Joker?

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Where's the Joker?

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.790
<v Speaker 5>And then took out And when they took out the Rittler,

0:56:42.810 --> 0:56:44.830
<v Speaker 5>you're like, okay, here comes the Joker. But the Joker,

0:56:45.790 --> 0:56:47.830
<v Speaker 5>he didn't show up for a whole... It took a

0:56:47.850 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 5>whole other episode for us to finally see him. But

0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 5>when he did show up, he brought some problems with him.

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 1>And I agree with you, Jalen. This was the first

0:56:59.700 --> 0:57:04.100
<v Speaker 1>time where I was looking at them laughing, and I

0:57:04.140 --> 0:57:05.860
<v Speaker 1>believe that you can laugh from dying.

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.010
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can die from laughing. Exactly.

0:57:08.030 --> 0:57:08.100
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:57:09.050 --> 0:57:12.330
<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, I was like, wow, I guess that can

0:57:12.390 --> 0:57:13.930
<v Speaker 5>be a real thing.

0:57:14.010 --> 0:57:16.550
<v Speaker 1>So I thought that that was dope.

0:57:16.750 --> 0:57:21.690
<v Speaker 5>I like the voice actor, the mannerism and tone that

0:57:21.710 --> 0:57:23.930
<v Speaker 5>he gave him when Batman showed up, walked through the

0:57:23.950 --> 0:57:26.290
<v Speaker 5>door and tried to stop him.

0:57:26.670 --> 0:57:27.430
<v Speaker 1>He was like, no.

0:57:27.710 --> 0:57:31.740
<v Speaker 5>And then shot his ass with the damn shotgun. Batman

0:57:31.780 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 5>didn't know what hit him. And then, of course, Alfred.

0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.220
<v Speaker 5>That was touching as well because I thought it was

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 5>a wrap for him.

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.669
<v Speaker 1>Me too. But no, Joker was dope.

0:57:44.290 --> 0:57:46.390
<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't guess who the voice actor is for Joker.

0:57:46.590 --> 0:57:49.050
<v Speaker 3>Neither one of y'all would guess. And this is coming

0:57:49.090 --> 0:57:51.590
<v Speaker 3>off a show we just reviewed. He's one of the

0:57:51.610 --> 0:57:54.840
<v Speaker 3>main characters of the show we just reviewed. House of

0:57:54.860 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 3>the Dragon. You wouldn't guess which character is the one

0:57:58.580 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 3>that does this Joker's voice.

0:58:00.780 --> 0:58:01.220
<v Speaker 2>Matt Smith?

0:58:02.060 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Nah. Who is it?

0:58:07.750 --> 0:58:08.910
<v Speaker 2>It's Lars. Lord Lars.

0:58:10.410 --> 0:58:12.630
<v Speaker 1>Oh, wow. Yep.

0:58:13.070 --> 0:58:13.670
<v Speaker 2>Lord Lars.

0:58:13.750 --> 0:58:14.130
<v Speaker 1>He did it.

0:58:14.210 --> 0:58:16.050
<v Speaker 3>And when I saw that, because I saw a clip.

0:58:16.070 --> 0:58:18.050
<v Speaker 3>I was randomly on Instagram scrolling. I seen a clip

0:58:18.090 --> 0:58:20.490
<v Speaker 3>of them doing the voice. I saw the guy who

0:58:20.510 --> 0:58:25.670
<v Speaker 3>did Batman. He's from, if y'all watched the most recent season,

0:58:25.690 --> 0:58:28.010
<v Speaker 3>the last season of Gen V. He was the main

0:58:28.050 --> 0:58:28.790
<v Speaker 3>villain in Gen V.

0:58:29.230 --> 0:58:30.130
<v Speaker 2>He also did his voice.

0:58:30.190 --> 0:58:35.350
<v Speaker 3>So he did Batman's voice. So seeing dude do his voice, like, bro,

0:58:35.570 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 3>that's what I wanted to talk about. Like, this Joker's voice,

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.780
<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course, we have the iconic Mark Hamill's

0:58:40.860 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 3>voice as the animated Joker.

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:44.959
<v Speaker 2>But I like this voice.

0:58:45.060 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Like, I was calm. And then he didn't laugh until

0:58:48.980 --> 0:58:51.820
<v Speaker 3>the end. Like, I was like, bro, I like this. Like,

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:54.419
<v Speaker 3>it's dark. It's like, bro, I'm not going to laugh

0:58:54.460 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 3>all the time. He didn't even smile all the time.

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.090
<v Speaker 3>And literally until the end, like, his last laugh was

0:58:59.130 --> 0:59:00.900
<v Speaker 3>the one that kind of let you know who he is.

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.340
<v Speaker 3>Because everybody else, bro, the way they were laughing, bro,

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.660
<v Speaker 3>I was watching with my girl. I almost want to

0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:08.430
<v Speaker 3>cut it off because we just got done watching Ready

0:59:08.590 --> 0:59:09.230
<v Speaker 3>or Not, Ken.

0:59:09.250 --> 0:59:10.030
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you.

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Watched Ready or Not. I haven't seen it yet.

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:17.330
<v Speaker 3>Bro, it goes in a direction where it's like, all right, bro,

0:59:17.420 --> 0:59:20.110
<v Speaker 3>I got to say three Hail Marys before.

0:59:20.090 --> 0:59:20.750
<v Speaker 2>I go to sleep.

0:59:21.990 --> 0:59:25.030
<v Speaker 3>This way, it felt the same energy. It felt very

0:59:25.090 --> 0:59:30.260
<v Speaker 3>demonic and creepy. It felt very like just devilish. Cause

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.910
<v Speaker 3>they kept laughing. And then when they turned into those creatures, like,

0:59:32.930 --> 0:59:36.450
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the hell he did. It was like,

0:59:36.490 --> 0:59:38.700
<v Speaker 3>that was great. Then when it happened to Gordon and

0:59:39.020 --> 0:59:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Gordon was trying to fight it.

0:59:40.060 --> 0:59:41.620
<v Speaker 2>He was laughing. Get out.

0:59:42.770 --> 0:59:48.010
<v Speaker 3>Like, Lee, like, it was very creepy. So I loved

0:59:48.050 --> 0:59:50.210
<v Speaker 3>how they did the Joker storyline. And I liked the

0:59:50.270 --> 0:59:54.070
<v Speaker 3>buildup because, like, every episode he was doing something. Like,

0:59:54.110 --> 0:59:56.210
<v Speaker 3>he's the one who took out Hugo Strange. He was

0:59:56.250 --> 0:59:58.690
<v Speaker 3>the one that took out Mr.

0:59:58.710 --> 0:59:59.130
<v Speaker 1>Zero.

0:59:59.170 --> 1:00:01.910
<v Speaker 3>Like, he was, like, taking people out. But he took

1:00:01.970 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 3>out Thorne early on. Like, he was taking people out

1:00:04.900 --> 1:00:06.780
<v Speaker 3>bit by bit as you were getting introduced to them.

1:00:07.340 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 3>And he's ended up being a big bad. Now, I

1:00:08.740 --> 1:00:10.980
<v Speaker 3>don't know if he died because, I mean, he did.

1:00:12.450 --> 1:00:14.110
<v Speaker 3>It could be on some comic book shit where it's like,

1:00:14.130 --> 1:00:17.750
<v Speaker 3>all right, just because he fall from 30,000 feet up

1:00:17.790 --> 1:00:19.770
<v Speaker 3>in the air don't mean he ain't dead. But he

1:00:19.790 --> 1:00:21.770
<v Speaker 3>ain't had no parachute, Ken. I don't know what the hell.

1:00:21.890 --> 1:00:23.670
<v Speaker 3>He just had the trench coat and a gun.

1:00:23.850 --> 1:00:24.260
<v Speaker 2>That was it.

1:00:24.990 --> 1:00:30.690
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Of course, he's still alive. But Batman damn sure

1:00:30.710 --> 1:00:31.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't try to save him.

1:00:31.370 --> 1:00:34.090
<v Speaker 2>He ain't save him. He had plenty of opportunity to

1:00:34.130 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 2>do that, too.

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:38.420
<v Speaker 5>It seemed like he tried to kill him because I

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.280
<v Speaker 5>think he was the one that knocked the beams down.

1:00:40.890 --> 1:00:43.190
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it stabbed him in the shoulder?

1:00:43.230 --> 1:00:43.490
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1:00:43.510 --> 1:00:45.470
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he could be dead.

1:00:45.510 --> 1:00:48.169
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think the Joker is always an easy

1:00:48.190 --> 1:00:50.090
<v Speaker 4>way out of saying he inspired another Joker.

1:00:50.110 --> 1:00:53.110
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying? And that's always an easy

1:00:53.130 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 2>way out. He does die. But, yeah. This is really dark, bro.

1:00:58.000 --> 1:00:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I fuck with every bit of this. He didn't have

1:00:59.540 --> 1:01:00.340
<v Speaker 2>to be over the top.

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:04.520
<v Speaker 4>He just had to be menacing and questioning everything about

1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Batman at the same time.

1:01:05.500 --> 1:01:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Making him question the shit, too.

1:01:06.780 --> 1:01:10.420
<v Speaker 4>That's the main thing about The Joker is basically, he's

1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:14.960
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be the opposite of Batman. Batman had one

1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:20.530
<v Speaker 4>extremely bad day. He's just talking to Batman like, this, this, this.

1:01:21.950 --> 1:01:24.430
<v Speaker 2>There's this shit in the well. This is in the well,

1:01:24.490 --> 1:01:24.790
<v Speaker 2>and I'm.

1:01:24.730 --> 1:01:27.070
<v Speaker 3>Excited for season three, for sure. Yeah, they got to

1:01:27.110 --> 1:01:29.310
<v Speaker 3>have a season three. That's what I want to end

1:01:29.330 --> 1:01:31.950
<v Speaker 3>this up with. this episode on. What are y'all thoughts

1:01:32.150 --> 1:01:35.940
<v Speaker 3>on how season two ended, going into season three? Are

1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:40.340
<v Speaker 3>we cooking? Has this season topped last season? And do

1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.840
<v Speaker 3>you expect that going into the next one?

1:01:44.660 --> 1:01:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Off the top of my head, I'm going to say

1:01:46.100 --> 1:01:48.930
<v Speaker 4>it topped last season. And I'm doing this off of

1:01:49.870 --> 1:01:54.450
<v Speaker 4>the ignorance of not re-watching season one. But I think

1:01:54.490 --> 1:01:56.730
<v Speaker 4>I'm just a fan of the darkness of this, bro.

1:01:56.790 --> 1:01:58.720
<v Speaker 4>How they just went there. You know what I'm saying?

1:01:58.740 --> 1:02:01.300
<v Speaker 4>Like they lure they lure us in by giving us

1:02:01.340 --> 1:02:05.200
<v Speaker 4>nostalgia and just having these little tweaks. But they completely

1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.700
<v Speaker 4>like change your expectations in season two. And so I'm

1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 4>down for like whatever else they offer us moving forward.

1:02:11.390 --> 1:02:16.310
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, I'm excited for season three. What about you, Cam?

1:02:18.050 --> 1:02:23.750
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. I like the way they escalated the series.

1:02:23.670 --> 1:02:30.970
<v Speaker 5>To this poem. So I'm all on board for what

1:02:31.010 --> 1:02:36.410
<v Speaker 5>they're doing. So I'm game, man. I was really looking

1:02:36.430 --> 1:02:40.570
<v Speaker 5>forward to talking about this with y'all because with how

1:02:42.050 --> 1:02:44.860
<v Speaker 5>dark it was, because I just couldn't remember. And I

1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.020
<v Speaker 5>remember when you guys said it was dark, but it

1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:51.040
<v Speaker 5>also seemed like that's the word that's thrown around a lot.

1:02:51.060 --> 1:02:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, nah, this is legit.

1:02:56.130 --> 1:02:58.930
<v Speaker 2>I think for my final thoughts on that, I'm excited

1:02:58.970 --> 1:02:59.750
<v Speaker 2>about season three.

1:02:59.850 --> 1:03:01.570
<v Speaker 3>I think they can do no wrong and I'm willing

1:03:01.590 --> 1:03:04.100
<v Speaker 3>to kind of give up my expectations of what I

1:03:04.140 --> 1:03:07.380
<v Speaker 3>believe should be Batman lore based off of how great

1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:11.590
<v Speaker 3>they're writing this show. Um, but Ken, I think when

1:03:11.700 --> 1:03:13.090
<v Speaker 3>me and JJ, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

1:03:13.110 --> 1:03:14.810
<v Speaker 3>When we say it's dark, I think it's like as

1:03:14.870 --> 1:03:17.070
<v Speaker 3>kids when we were watching it or as in our youth,

1:03:17.870 --> 1:03:19.840
<v Speaker 3>We didn't pick up on certain things. I was like, oh,

1:03:19.860 --> 1:03:21.220
<v Speaker 3>when you really think about that as an adult, that's

1:03:21.260 --> 1:03:23.940
<v Speaker 3>actually kind of way more creepier for a kid's show

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:26.439
<v Speaker 3>than what we thought. Because this is on Saturday morning

1:03:26.460 --> 1:03:30.130
<v Speaker 3>cartoons or Saturday night cartoon run for Cartoon Network.

1:03:30.530 --> 1:03:31.890
<v Speaker 2>This is where they know their age range is 6

1:03:31.890 --> 1:03:32.570
<v Speaker 2>to 13 or whatever.

1:03:36.940 --> 1:03:39.820
<v Speaker 3>But when we're talking about this show, hell, I ain't

1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:42.240
<v Speaker 3>showing no 6 to 13 on this show. You got

1:03:42.260 --> 1:03:44.820
<v Speaker 3>to be, at least in high school, deep in for

1:03:44.860 --> 1:03:47.170
<v Speaker 3>us to be like, all right, bro, you can sit

1:03:47.230 --> 1:03:47.850
<v Speaker 3>and watch this.

1:03:48.130 --> 1:03:52.530
<v Speaker 4>Especially them last two episodes. My nephew, he's not watching this.

1:03:52.590 --> 1:03:55.190
<v Speaker 4>My nephew or my niece is. They under 10 years old.

1:03:55.210 --> 1:03:57.010
<v Speaker 4>I'm not putting this on. As much as I would

1:03:57.030 --> 1:03:58.290
<v Speaker 4>like them to get in the comics, this is not

1:03:58.330 --> 1:03:59.970
<v Speaker 4>the way I'm going to introduce it.

1:04:00.010 --> 1:04:00.730
<v Speaker 2>This isn't the way.

1:04:00.950 --> 1:04:03.150
<v Speaker 4>That's what we mean by dark as far as the

1:04:03.230 --> 1:04:07.020
<v Speaker 4>themes are different. kid friendly you and if you watch

1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:08.500
<v Speaker 4>it if you do a lot of high school to

1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:10.640
<v Speaker 4>watch it you need to be there to explain some

1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:13.260
<v Speaker 4>things you know what i'm saying just to give them

1:04:13.300 --> 1:04:16.050
<v Speaker 4>like nuances of what's going on but yeah.

1:04:15.710 --> 1:04:17.970
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's what we mean by by darker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah those are our thoughts on season two of batman

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<v Speaker 3>the cape crusader please let us know what you guys

1:04:29.500 --> 1:04:32.390
<v Speaker 3>think FPS Podcast is our Reddit thread. That's also our

1:04:32.430 --> 1:04:35.560
<v Speaker 3>handle for IG and Twitter. And we are looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to reviewing Season.

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<v Speaker 2>3 when it drops. So we'll catch you then.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace. Peace.