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Speaker 1: Joining us now. He is the director of basketball Operations

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Speaker 1: for Purdue. Elliott Bloom on the Java House, Peel and

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Speaker 1: Poor guest line. Elliot, I'm going to begin with that

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Speaker 1: in terms of just the scheduling. You know, I realized

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Speaker 1: that these schedules, how far out are the schedules done

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Speaker 1: when you guys, you know, you look right now for example,

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Speaker 1: whether it be playing an Auburn or playing a Marquette

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Speaker 1: that would have been agreed upon how long ago?

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Speaker 2: Uh, It kind of depends some of Like right now,

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Speaker 2: I'm working on next year's schedule as we speak, so

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Speaker 2: trying to get non conference stuff lined up and figure

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Speaker 2: all that stuff out. You know, some stuff gets done

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Speaker 2: in advance, like if you're going to play a home

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Speaker 2: and home with a high major, big time team, you

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Speaker 2: know that could be a couple of years in advance.

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Speaker 2: Just depends. Some stuff is last minute. You know that.

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Speaker 2: We've had situations before like last year we went down

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Speaker 2: come back Indy this year. That was pretty late in

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Speaker 2: the process. So that was like kind of at the

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Speaker 2: start of the season last year, like this time of

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Speaker 2: year into I think even in November December where we

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Speaker 2: were saying the previous year we were talking about, all right,

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Speaker 2: we go down to Birmingham, do we do it late

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Speaker 2: like that? There was a game we played up in

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Speaker 2: Canada a couple of years ago. We played Alabama up

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Speaker 2: was trying to get that done over the May, even

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Speaker 2: I think in the beginning of June, until we finally

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Speaker 2: got that done for that coming season. So it just

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Speaker 2: depends when.

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Speaker 1: You factored that stuff. Ben a couple of questions about it,

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Speaker 1: because I do find it interesting. The first would be,

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Speaker 1: you know, the style of play of the school, perhaps

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Speaker 1: a previous existing relationship with the coachings coaches of the staff,

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Speaker 1: or just the schedule in terms of what other schools

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Speaker 1: have opened. What are the biggest deciding factors on who

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Speaker 1: you schedule for us?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's changed a little bit over the years.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're at the point now where we're trying

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Speaker 2: to kind of full steam ahead and play as many

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Speaker 2: high level games as we can that we everybody gets

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Speaker 2: in our league. With twenty league games, you get eleven

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Speaker 2: non conference games. Now that's getting ready to go to twelve.

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Speaker 2: So next year they're they're adding a game, so we'll

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Speaker 2: actually go to twelve non conference games. So for our standpoint,

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Speaker 2: we like to try to make half of those against

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Speaker 2: high majors. That would be really good competition, that would

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Speaker 2: really kind of help our net and obviously it helps

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Speaker 2: the net rating that the NBA Tournament Committee uses, but

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Speaker 2: it also it also there's a lot of factors. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the more quality games in Mackie, you know, the more

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Speaker 2: incentive there is for people to continue to buy season

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Speaker 2: tickets and want to see you know, those high level games.

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Speaker 2: Obviously helps from just kind of staying relevant nationally and

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of reasons

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Speaker 2: to do it. We've kind of chose to make half

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Speaker 2: of our games our non com difference games, those high

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Speaker 2: end games like that. But everybody's everybody' usually at a

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Speaker 2: you know, and so that's kind of where it starts.

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Speaker 2: It's like what teams are out there that would would

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Speaker 2: like to do these kind of things. There's a big

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Speaker 2: push in our in our business right now, in our industry,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. In our support, you

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Speaker 2: know the tournament, the MTE world, you know the players

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Speaker 2: there a tournament and saying in Las Vegas is drawing

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Speaker 2: so many teams, So that's impacted some things. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of promoters right now that are doing a lot

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Speaker 2: of neutral events. You're probably seeing more neutral site games

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of options now where and then

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Speaker 2: said for her home and homes. Some schools don't look

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Speaker 1: I mean, how much like you when you're doing this

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Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle of it, Elliott, how much does coach Matt

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Speaker 1: Painter sit in with you on that or is he

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Speaker 1: kind of more of the Hey, I trust what you

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Speaker 1: how much discussion goes back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Payne, I've been doing it for so

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Speaker 2: He'll do that from time to time, but for the

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Speaker 2: most part, I'll just kind of take options to him.

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Speaker 2: And we're still pretty old school. I just I write

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Speaker 2: what do you think about that? And for the most part,

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Speaker 2: we're on the same page I would say ninety nine

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty easy process for us. There's some schools

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like about you, For me,

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Speaker 1: I have problems getting anybody to answer the phone, but

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Speaker 1: you usually do, which I like.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, you know, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought, Elliott, it's interesting in the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always felt like the tournament amazes me

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Speaker 1: because and I'm always intrigued, and I find it fun

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Speaker 1: when you just don't know who you're gonna get matched

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Speaker 3: Now? Out of the Big Ten?

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Speaker 1: Because the conference itself is so vast now that it

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Speaker 1: do you get within the Big ten pretty much the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, you're going to get that now.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have, like I think, I think more

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Speaker 2: can then recall. So like we're going down to Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: be honest, we're really hoping that by our guys going

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Speaker 2: to do now on our schedule. This year too, Like

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Speaker 2: traditionally really good. I mean we play Acron in Kent

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Speaker 2: And usually those teams are are going to be good

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Speaker 2: So those even those games that maybe the general fan

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Speaker 2: but we look at those and say, we could very

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Speaker 1: I mean, Oakland's in that same category, right absolutely, even

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Speaker 2: Right one thousand percent. And those are the kind of

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Speaker 2: point now to go back and say, guys, they're going

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Speaker 2: and in terms of their net rating, we're kind of

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Speaker 2: the opposite. We'd rather play good quality teams that give

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Speaker 1: Who most intrigues you? Elliott Bloom is my guest. He's

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Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling for guest line. He's the

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Speaker 1: director of basketball ops for Purdue. When you look at

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Speaker 1: this roster for you guys this year, Elliott, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: great players for you guys, Who are you most intrigued

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Speaker 2: You know there's a there's a few guys. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we Oscar Cloff, our fifth year guy that we added

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Speaker 2: from South Dakota State. He's a he's a grown man.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, he's an older, elder, elder statesman kind

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Speaker 2: guy that I think people will be very pleased with.

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Speaker 2: He's got a really good nose for rebounding, can score

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Speaker 2: it around the basket. Really kind of scratches the itch

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Speaker 2: going to be the most impactful. I also think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Omer Meyer's a guy that the Israeli kid

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Speaker 2: He has a lot of intrigue around him just because

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Speaker 2: good player, But I also think guys that have been

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Speaker 2: You know, Daniel Jacobson our our our post guy that

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Speaker 2: they're basically seeing him as in what he is now

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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned you've got a player in Omar

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Speaker 1: Meyer that that I believe was playing or was being

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Speaker 1: compensated overseas, right, So does that also is that also

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Speaker 1: kind of a wild wild west of you know what

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Speaker 1: this guy's playing in, like the Premier League and there's

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Speaker 1: some really good leagues overseas.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, does you know where do things? I

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Speaker 3: don't even know?

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Speaker 1: Like what is is there a parameter on what player

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Speaker 1: you can get out of the overseas leagues?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's. I mean it's all comes down to, like

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Speaker 2: what what was their agreement with those club teams over

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Speaker 2: there and with those leagues. So like in Europe, most

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Speaker 2: kids grow up, they don't like play at the public

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Speaker 2: high school. And if you're identified as a player, you're

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Speaker 2: going to join a club. And so like the names

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Speaker 2: that most general casual fans know of, you know Real

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Speaker 2: Madrid and you know Barcelona and all those big teams

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Speaker 2: over there names they all have club teams, and so

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Speaker 2: you could be with your club team for twelve years.

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Speaker 2: You know, you could be identified as a seven year

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Speaker 2: old you're really good, all right, I'm playing club and

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Speaker 2: you're with that team. And then in their in their eyes,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna as you get older, you're going to matriculate

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Speaker 2: up through the system and then you're eventually going to

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Speaker 2: play for our top team, which in a lot of

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Speaker 2: those clubs cases plays in the EuroLeague, which is the

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Speaker 2: second best professional basketball league in the world, and so

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Speaker 2: that's how they kind of grow their clubs in their leagues. Now,

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Speaker 2: at any point in that time, as long as the

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Speaker 2: contract makes it so where it would work, they can

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Speaker 2: leave and go play college of basketball. Now I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm not well versed enough to know, like, at what

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Speaker 2: point do you play over there for on the main

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Speaker 2: team that's playing in the EuroLeague. If you're there like

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Speaker 2: five or six years, at what point does your window closed?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that answer. But a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys have decisions to make now because of the money

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Speaker 2: that's entered our game. Before, you know, it didn't really

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Speaker 2: it wasn't in their best interest. They could they were

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Speaker 2: going to get paid more money to stay over there. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot to be said for playing in

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Speaker 2: front of your home family and you're playing in your

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Speaker 2: home country, that kind of stuff. And then if you

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Speaker 2: got good enough, then obviously NBA teams could come over

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Speaker 2: and drafting, and that's been the case for a long

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Speaker 2: time time now. But now what's changed is with with

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Speaker 2: the collectives, especially last year and now with rev share

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Speaker 2: being a thing. Uh, some of these players are realizing

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Speaker 2: that they could go make maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 2: money and get better exposure for NBA teams as well

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Speaker 2: that are coming to our gyms, you know, almost on

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Speaker 2: a nightly basis when we play games the scout guys.

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Speaker 2: So it's really changed some things and you've got a

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Speaker 2: lot more You're seeing a lot more international players signed

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Speaker 2: with colleges than you probably ever have. And it's also

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Speaker 2: creating an interesting dynamic because some of these these clubs

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Speaker 2: over there aren't so high on the fact that we're

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Speaker 2: coming over and taking players. And so now there's been

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to see a new wave of

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Speaker 2: when these kids grow up in clubs and then play

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Speaker 2: for the professional team over there, well they start putting

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Speaker 2: clauses in contracts that say, Okay, if you leave, yeah

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Speaker 2: you leave for college program, you're gonna owe this number.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct at Meyer played either with or against,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Carson Edwards are or Trevian Williams, Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like yeah.

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Speaker 2: With the teammate, Yeah, teammate with Travion and played against

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Speaker 2: Carson Era.

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Speaker 1: So you get cross pollination where then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: these guys are becoming familiar with right and vice versa. Okay, absolutely, Hey, lastly, Elliott,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the time Elliott Bloom our guest, the

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Speaker 1: director of basketball operations for Purdue. You know when for

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Speaker 1: me as a player, and I mean, obviously I was

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Speaker 1: not a college player, but when I played basketball, honestly,

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Speaker 1: my favorite part of the basketball, of all of it.

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Speaker 3: Was away games.

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Speaker 1: Just getting off the bus, like with my teammates and

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Speaker 1: seeing like the fans there. There was just this camaraderie

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Speaker 1: that came with it, right as a fan or as

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Speaker 1: a media member. I think my favorite time is like

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Speaker 1: selection Sunday when the weather breaks and trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out where teams are going to be slotted and who

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Speaker 1: you're playing and whatever. For you being so intimately involved

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Speaker 1: with it, what is your favorite part of being a

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Speaker 1: part of Predue Basketball?

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Speaker 2: Probably the road wins. It's probably being honest. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I I love it all. I wouldn't be doing it

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Speaker 2: as long as I've done it if I didn't love it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm all in on what we do and

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Speaker 2: very fortunate to work with a staff that gets along

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Speaker 2: so well. That makes it makes it fun to go

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Speaker 2: to work every day, and I don't feel like I've

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Speaker 2: ever gotten up and actually gone to a job. But

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Speaker 2: the road winds are like exactly what you just described,

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Speaker 2: Like you know, we always talk about it. It's usually

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Speaker 2: about thirty versus you know, fifteen, sixteen thousand, and you're

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Speaker 2: going in with most of the time, you're not favorite

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Speaker 2: to win a road game. You're going into a hostile environment.

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Speaker 2: And you kind of got a band together with the

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Speaker 2: other guys in that locker room and find a way

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Speaker 2: to get it done. And when you do that and

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Speaker 2: you sit there like the best times are like, okay,

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Speaker 2: there's forty five seconds left, and the fans are heading

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Speaker 2: for the exits because you're up twelve, like I don't

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Speaker 2: know if there's a better feeling, and you're kind of

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Speaker 2: whispering on the bench like heyyay, look, look, look they're

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Speaker 2: all leaving. They're all leaving. And then you get in

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Speaker 2: that locker room and you celebrate, and they're not just

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Speaker 2: celebrating the win. You're celebrating all the work you put in.

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Speaker 2: You're celebrating all the hours you spent with each other.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I tell people all the time, people

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Speaker 2: think that, well, college basketball kicks off in November, like

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Speaker 2: not for us, it kicks off in June. You know,

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Speaker 2: we go to work in June and our guys get

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Speaker 2: here for summer school, and we're pretty much with them

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Speaker 2: until April, and so it's a long it's the longest season,

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Speaker 2: you know, of college sports. It's got the longest amount

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Speaker 2: of time that you're with each other as a team.

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Speaker 2: And so those moments when you can kind of accomplish

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Speaker 2: things together as a team under some harsh environment kind

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Speaker 2: of situations, those are the most rewarding for me.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I always forget this. Were you Lapel

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Speaker 3: High School? Is that right? I went to Mount Vernon,

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Speaker 3: Mount Vernon, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Don't you have the record for like twenty six threes

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Speaker 1: in a game at Mount Vernon?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that right?

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Speaker 2: I made eleven at a game. Coach how he.

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Speaker 3: How it was when he was at Lapel. He told

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Speaker 3: me about it, I think.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeh, probably he was coaching me at Mount Vernon

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Speaker 2: and then later went to Lapel where he played, and

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Speaker 2: we had had the basket looked about ten feet why

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Speaker 2: that night over a Lapel it was one of those

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Speaker 2: nights where anybody who's ever played you know, you get

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Speaker 2: in one of those rhythms and the basket looks bigger

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Speaker 2: than it is and it ended up going my way

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Speaker 2: that night.

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Speaker 3: You had eleven threes? How made you take?

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Speaker 2: I took nineteen.

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Speaker 1: That's not bad because it'd be one thing if you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was eleven of forty seven.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Right exactly? Well, I look back at the amount of

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Speaker 2: amount of threes I took in some of those games.

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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta buy coach how a couple extra

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Speaker 2: dinners here because letting one guy shoot eighteen or nineteen

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Speaker 2: I had. I had twenty one three point attempts in

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Speaker 2: one game one time, and I was like, holy cow, Like,

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Speaker 2: now you know, when you're in it, you don't realize.

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Speaker 2: Then you get you get around the game, and you

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Speaker 2: you know, get to this level and you sit back

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Speaker 2: and go with twenty one three point attempts in one

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Speaker 2: game for one person. That's insane.

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Speaker 1: See, But I had that many, I think in one

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Speaker 1: game because I couldn't learn the offense. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, what if the ball came my way, I like,

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Speaker 1: it's going up. I have no idea where I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: to go.

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Speaker 2: With it better than a turnover. Like we always say,

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Speaker 2: you can rebound a shot, you can't rebound a turnover.

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Speaker 3: Good way of saying it.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, so pretty good away against Kentucky, Elliot Bloom.

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Speaker 1: That is an exhibition game coming up on Friday night. Elliott,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back on the show man.

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate it, and I always enjoy the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Now anytime I like listening to you guys, and you

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Speaker 2: guys are always treated as well, So appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it very much. Elliott Bloom from Purdue Basketball, the

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Speaker 1: director of operations on the Java House Peel and Poor

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Speaker 1: guest Line. Lots of Java House locations up in Lafayette,

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Speaker 1: by the way,