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Speaker 1: Colts in training camp. Day off today for the Colts.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Joela ericson at about twenty but joining

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Speaker 1: us now on the program. He is, of course with

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten Network to preview the conference. Our friend

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Speaker 1: Dave Revsen joins us. Dave, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be fine, or Jake.

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Speaker 3: We embarked tomorrow on our preseason camp tour line to Lincoln, Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: We'll see the Husks on Friday, and then we're off

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Speaker 3: and running. It's pretty amazing to think it's upon us.

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Speaker 2: It's always an exciting time it is.

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Speaker 1: And then but you know before you know it, And

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Speaker 1: this is what is fun.

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Speaker 4: Dave.

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Speaker 1: I love like those those early fall Saturday night under

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Speaker 1: and I were just talking about it. We each predict

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Speaker 1: who you may say for your answer. Okay, this year's

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Speaker 1: and I know that you haven't gone to camp and

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Speaker 1: But when you look at scheduling and other such things,

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Speaker 1: the team that could be this year's Indiana, and by

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, people are talking about Illinois, so maybe

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Speaker 2: A fair one.

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Speaker 5: I feel like they won ten games a year ago.

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Speaker 3: And you know, maybe they can be a team that

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Speaker 2: I'm a little concerned about that.

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Speaker 1: That was my prediction, Dave. I predicted you were going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I'm concerned about quarterback. I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: I think they'll be really good on defense. They were

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Speaker 1: Dave Revson, Big ten Network is our guest. A year ago,

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Speaker 3: I can't speak to how other coaches see him. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Than some of these games that they're scheduling.

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Speaker 5: The Big Ten when you play.

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Speaker 3: Nine and again you're the math is you're guaranteed that

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Speaker 3: Leaving all this in the hands of the committee and

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I understand where big where Big

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Speaker 2: It's versus scheduling.

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Speaker 5: Whatever it is, a three.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting for Indiana and Kurt Signetti's offense. Now, Dave,

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Speaker 3: It's really high, Jake, And I'll tell you I think

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm excited to see Fernando Mendoza. But again,

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Speaker 5: In all of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it an upgrade.

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Speaker 3: It'd be hard to be much better than Curtis Rourke

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Speaker 1: By the way, Dave, do you really actually parachute in?

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Speaker 2: Is this big thing?

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Speaker 3: But again, I mean, that's what the off seasons for

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Speaker 1: At Paris Island for the entire offseason, getting getting things

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with this from an injury standpoint. We discussed

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Speaker 1: we've had like Antoine Bethay was Antoine Bethay, that he

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Speaker 1: was anton Antoine Betheya then back you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: We've had players and in racing I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tony Kanan was Tony Kanaan when he first

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Speaker 1: came to the United States, and then everybody said Canaan

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Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, we'll just go with that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So so we're all off

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Speaker 1: the hook here. But having said that, he has been

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Speaker 1: really and you tell me if I'm wrong, he's been

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Speaker 1: kind of the buzz of this camp so far.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think early on it was mostly because he was

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Speaker 7: ahead of those guys. The last two days, though, we

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Speaker 7: started to see him make more plays on the ball.

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Speaker 4: Some of the stuff we heard.

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Speaker 7: Them talk about in the off season, we didn't really

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Speaker 7: see that last week. We started to see it this week.

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Speaker 7: I think the thing that I keep thinking about him

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Speaker 7: is when I talked to him in June after they've

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Speaker 7: been praising him and saying he was breaking up all

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Speaker 7: these passes and making all these interceptions. I said, is

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Speaker 7: this easier than you thought it would be? Or are

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Speaker 7: you more comfortable than you thought it would be? And

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Speaker 7: he said, no, this is the hardest thing I've ever

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Speaker 7: done on a football field. And I think when your

462
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Speaker 7: head is swimming and you're still impressing the coaching staff

463
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Speaker 7: and making plays, to me, that's an indicator of something

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Speaker 7: something to be excited about.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback competition is the one Joel that is always

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Speaker 1: going to be the storyline of this camp. It was

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Speaker 1: going into it is now. But before we go there,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you what I've asked a couple

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Speaker 1: of others, and that is you mentioned corner. Is there

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Speaker 1: another area that you look towards where maybe there is

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Speaker 1: a potential unseat of the incumbent or a battle taking

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Speaker 1: place that you did not anticipate three weeks ago was

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Speaker 1: going to be a story.

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Speaker 7: I think we're maybe not talking about center enough. You know,

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Speaker 7: Maganzolvez at right guard has basically just been the right

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Speaker 7: guard with the first team at center. Tanner Bordolini and

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Speaker 7: Danny Pinter are are they are trading off days I.

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Speaker 1: Thought, I thought, I mean, guilty is charged here because

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Speaker 1: I thought that that was a dune one and that

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Speaker 1: Bartolini was going to be the guy.

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Speaker 7: That's that's kind of I think what most of us

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Speaker 7: thought going in. But but so far it has been

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Speaker 7: sixty there one day and then sixty three there the

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Speaker 7: next day, and they have continued on that. I think

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Speaker 7: that is a real competition at the center position that

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Speaker 7: maybe maybe we need to pay a little more attention

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Speaker 7: to as we go forward.

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Speaker 1: Is that because of the fact that that Bartolini has

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Speaker 1: played poorly or because Pinter has exceeded expectation.

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Speaker 4: I think it goes back to last year.

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Speaker 7: Because they've really only been in full pads for two days,

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Speaker 7: they don't really have a ton of data on.

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Speaker 4: The offensive lineman. Yet, I think it.

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Speaker 7: Goes back to last year borderlining came back from an injury,

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Speaker 7: Pinter had started a game, and instead of just giving

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Speaker 7: Bortelini back the position he'd had earlier in the year,

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Speaker 7: they went with Pinter to start another game before Ryan

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Speaker 7: Kelly came back. Something something in the evaluation for Tony

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Speaker 7: sparan or that's the offensive line coach and the rest

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Speaker 7: of the coaching staff tells them that that should be

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Speaker 7: more of a competition.

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Speaker 4: And I have made a note.

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Speaker 7: I made a note to myself yesterday I need to

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Speaker 7: watch the centers a little more closely than I.

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Speaker 1: Have been interesting because you know the but I will

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Speaker 1: give and you tell me Joel if you agree with this.

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Speaker 1: I said it yesterday. Bernard Ryman. Do you remember when

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Speaker 1: Bernard Ryman came out, he had short arms? You remember that,

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Speaker 1: like everybody was they and actually they they initially when

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Speaker 1: they drafted him, they only had a photo of a

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Speaker 1: t rex. They didn't actually have a photo of him,

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Speaker 1: and that was the big knock on him, right and

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Speaker 1: and Chris Ballard basically said, look, we think this guy

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Speaker 1: can grow into it. And he did. And I will

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Speaker 1: give Ballard credit there. And in a time when we

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Speaker 1: have been very critical of Chris Ballard over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, the one area where I give him

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Speaker 1: credit is I do think that they have built an

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Speaker 1: offensive line here that does have some depth and some

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Speaker 1: guys that can Swiss Army a little bit. And he

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Speaker 1: gets credit there because not all of them were can't

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Speaker 1: miss products. Am I giving him too much credit?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 7: No, I think you're right. I think Ryman in particular

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Speaker 7: should be looked at, regardless of whatever happens, as one

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Speaker 7: of the best draft picks of his tenure. You don't

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Speaker 7: get left tackles outside of the first round.

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Speaker 4: You just don't. I mean there's a couple.

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Speaker 7: David Bachiari's a forced drawn Armstead was a third, but like,

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Speaker 7: it's very few and far between. For like left tackle

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Speaker 7: names that people might know that came outside of the

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Speaker 7: first round. Ballard took one in the third. Saw something

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Speaker 7: with him and he has developed into that. That is

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Speaker 7: much harder I think than we necessarily give it credit

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Speaker 7: for based on you know, if you just go back

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Speaker 7: and look at the history of left tackles, and I

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Speaker 7: know someone's gonna go out there and go, I found

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Speaker 7: this guy and this guy or whatever. But my editor,

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Speaker 7: Natt newele Is is big in the numbers and has

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Speaker 7: done this.

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Speaker 4: Plenty of times.

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Speaker 7: It is very hard to find a left tackle outside

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Speaker 7: of the first round.

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Speaker 4: The Colts were able to do it.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback position, let's get to it. Leader right now is.

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Speaker 4: Who Anthony Richardson? I think is.

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Speaker 1: That because Anthony Richardson has taken a step or because

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is not.

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Speaker 4: I think for.

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Speaker 7: Me, it's because I thought, for Daniel Jones to win

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Speaker 7: this job coming in that he had to be leaps

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Speaker 7: and bounds more efficient as a pastor and accurate as

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Speaker 7: a pastor, and I haven't necessarily seen that.

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Speaker 4: So far.

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Speaker 7: Richardson has had periods and stretches of practice where he's

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Speaker 7: been much more accurate than we've seen in the past.

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Speaker 7: I still have like yesterday's practice is a good example.

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Speaker 7: He was nine to eleven at one point with one

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Speaker 7: of the incompletions coming on a shovel, and you feel

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Speaker 7: really good about that, and then the last period comes

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Speaker 7: out and he goes oh for three with with some

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Speaker 7: misses in there, and so there's a piece of me

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Speaker 7: that wonders, you know, which one to hang my hat

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Speaker 7: on or pay attention to. But Jones, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 7: his advantage was, you know, he's a he's a guy,

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Speaker 7: a veteran with reputation for knowing the offense and working

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Speaker 7: really hard and doing all that stuff. And those guys,

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Speaker 7: I think you have to complete a ton of passes,

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Speaker 7: and I just don't know that we've seen that. I

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Speaker 7: think the thing that I've noticed most with him is

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Speaker 7: he has a tendency to either throw a little bit

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Speaker 7: late or lock on a receiver or whatever it is.

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Speaker 7: It's hard to tell, but there are a lot of

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Speaker 7: sort of ruts where a receiver has settled down and

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Speaker 7: he throws and it gets broken up. There was one

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Speaker 7: practice where every incompletion he had was like that, and

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Speaker 7: to me that that was the kind of throw that

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Speaker 7: he has to be making over and over and over

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Speaker 7: again to take the job away from Richardson, because Richardson,

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Speaker 7: I think we haven't necessarily seen it in camp so far,

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Speaker 7: but he gives you he's more dynamic as a runner,

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Speaker 7: and he's definitely more dynamic as a thrower down the field.

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Speaker 1: So and Richardson has am I correct in saying, Joel

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Speaker 1: shown a little bit more consistency in the layup game

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Speaker 1: right like the over the middle. The timing has been

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Speaker 1: better right in tern and to the point where there

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Speaker 1: were people that were wondering who he worked with in

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Speaker 1: the offseason. But before I get to my other question,

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Speaker 1: am I correct in saying that he has been more

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Speaker 1: precise in the rhythm passing. Talking about Anthony Richardson, I so.

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Speaker 7: I looked up last year, I looked up what I

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Speaker 7: had last year for training camp and by the end

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Speaker 7: of training camp if I had him at sixty one

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Speaker 7: percent completion. That's my unofficial count. I'm sure the Colts

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Speaker 7: have a different official count. It's the same. Right now,

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Speaker 7: I have him.

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Speaker 4: At fifty four fifty five, So I.

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Speaker 7: Do think there has been an uptick in him getting

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Speaker 7: the ball out of the pocket on time, all that

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Speaker 7: type of thing. I would like to see a little

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Speaker 7: more before I'm ready to say that it's definitely different

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Speaker 7: than it was last year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is my follow up to that, and

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Speaker 1: it involves spoiler alert here. I'm about to reveal a

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Speaker 1: deep secret from a movie and ruin the movie if

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Speaker 1: you've not seen it. But the movie's thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: so I feel safe that it's not really a spoiler alert. Joel,

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Speaker 1: have you seen the movie. I've referenced it before on

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Speaker 1: this show maybe with you. Have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: movie Primal Fear with Ed Norton and Richard Gear. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a fabulous movie. In the movie, Ed Norton plays

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Speaker 1: a defendant who is a very likable, innocent young guy

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Speaker 1: with this like sinister streak, and at the end of

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Speaker 1: the movie you find out that in fact, he is

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Speaker 1: a sinister guy with a fake persona of an innocent

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Speaker 1: kid that he can do in a streak. Is there

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Speaker 1: any chance that Anthony Richardson, when we see these things

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Speaker 1: about him as a consistent quarterback, is actually Ed Norton,

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Speaker 1: and when the regular season rolls around, we're going to

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Speaker 1: find out that he is not a guy now that

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Speaker 1: is an accurate quarterback where that has come together, that

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Speaker 1: has mobility, but rather he's a mobile guy that still

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Speaker 1: does not have accuracy.

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Speaker 7: I think that it's definitely possible, and I think I

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Speaker 7: think part of it is maybe a lesson for me

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Speaker 7: in the time I've covered this team is I don't

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Speaker 7: want to overvalue what we're seeing on the training camp field.

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Speaker 4: And I know, as somebody who's who's.

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Speaker 7: Writing an observations piece every day where I'm detailing every throw,

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Speaker 7: that may sound a little bit you know, hypocritical, but

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Speaker 7: the thing is, like, you know, we're what were we

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Speaker 7: thinking coming out of camp with Matt Ryan, you know,

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Speaker 7: and some of these other guys, some of these other camps.

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Speaker 7: Over the time, I think I think there's a there's

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Speaker 7: a piece of me that's become a little bit skeptical

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Speaker 7: on stuff, like I said, I had him at I

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Speaker 7: had him at sixty one percent at the end of

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Speaker 7: camp last year. I think it's it's definitely possible that,

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Speaker 7: you know, some of the some of the periods we've

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Speaker 7: seen where he hasn't been as accurate so far, end

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Speaker 7: up being more of the norm. Once you're in a

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Speaker 7: less controlled setting. For the colt's sake, you don't want that,

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Speaker 7: but it's I think it's definitely possible.

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Speaker 1: Joel A. Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is where

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Speaker 1: you can read his work. We're talking about the Colts

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Speaker 1: who have the off day today again. Jalen Jones yesterday

647
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Speaker 1: hamstring injury. Juju Brent's it was not visible, but apparently

648
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Speaker 1: is dealing with a hamstring injury.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman junior had a groin injury late in practice.

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Speaker 1: Am I correcting that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 7: And it was it was very late because he had

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Speaker 7: something like catches in teamwork before that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so did it And that was not something that

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Speaker 1: you saw right. We just were told about it later.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see it.

658
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Speaker 7: I know Nay Atkins, who covers the cults with me

659
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 7: at any Starr said that he was kind of it

660
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 7: looked like one of those things that maybe you kind

661
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Speaker 7: of go over to the trainer and say, hey, this

662
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Speaker 7: is bothering me, and then they kind of just make

663
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Speaker 7: a decision on it. So it wasn't like the Jalen

664
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Speaker 7: Jones thing where you saw it happen very obviously in

665
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Speaker 7: front of you.

666
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Speaker 1: You know, one guy that I have heard, you know,

667
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: there seems to be some optimism about. And I get

668
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: the fact that it's hard to get excited about anybody

669
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Speaker 1: that is going to be spelling Jonathan Taylor, because Jonathan

670
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: Taylor is obviously, you know, an elite player in one

671
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: that you anticipate being on the field as much as possible.

672
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: But I've heard good things about DJ Giddens, and it

673
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: seems like he has been impressive. They're rookie running back

674
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Speaker 1: out of Kansas State. On the fact that he has

675
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: jumped out a little bit.

676
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Speaker 4: Fact definite fact. I think Giddon's he's an interesting.

677
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 7: Runner because you know, you don't have sort of the

678
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 7: the jarring jump.

679
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: Cut that you get with Taylor's, the.

680
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 7: Kind of sudden and hard change of movement. He's more

681
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 7: of a glider. I think the word is the word.

682
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 7: Shane Stiken used.

683
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Speaker 4: It's subtle. The way he makes cuts is subtle. It's

684
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: a little thing here or there, but he's really.

685
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 7: Good at navigating traffic. And then the other thing I

686
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 7: think that that helps him get on the field is

687
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 7: he looks really natural catching the football, which you know

688
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 7: is a weakness of Johnson Taylor's. I don't think anyone

689
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 7: would ever say that Johnathan Taylor looks natural catching the football.

690
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 7: Every time they've thrown it past the Giddons, it's looked

691
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 7: very smooth, very consistent, and so I think that probably

692
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 7: helps him get on the field and gets him in

693
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 7: some situations if he can do that receiving work out

694
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Speaker 7: of the backfield, They've they've wanted to have somebody that

695
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 7: can rely on to do at and spell Taylor a

696
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 7: little bit.

697
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Speaker 4: For a while.

698
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Speaker 1: Joel, how do you think Shane Steichen's different than last year?

699
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: If in any way, shape or form.

700
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: I would say he's.

701
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 7: It feels to me like he's every year he's been here,

702
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 7: he's gotten more comfortable in just the atmosphere of being

703
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 7: around the team. I don't want to say just because

704
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, who cares how he is with the.

705
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: Reporters and stuff. Like that. That's such a small part

706
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: of his job.

707
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 7: But I feel like the comfort level he has is

708
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 7: is probably gone up every year. I think the other

709
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 7: thing with him that I notice.

710
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: Is he's he's he's really into.

711
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 7: This year in practice trying to throw some unexpected at

712
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 7: the players. There's been a couple of times in practice

713
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 7: where you know, Matt Taylor is announcing to everybody, this

714
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 7: is what's going to happen, and Shane's.

715
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: Out there like, no, it's not.

716
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 7: I'm going to do a sudden change thing and deviate

717
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 7: from the part. I don't know if I think deviate

718
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 7: from the practice plan he talked about. He didn't feel

719
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 7: like they did a good job with that in games

720
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 7: last year. It's an interesting tactic. I have no idea

721
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 7: if it's going to work out or not, but it's

722
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 7: interesting that he's that devoted to it, that he's throwing

723
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 7: a wrench into practice in random spots to kind of

724
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 7: get the players out of their comfort zone. That's maybe

725
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 7: the other piece that I've noticed with him that's pretty different.

726
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: By the way, Joel, the last couple of days they

727
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: have increased the practices, I mean from an hour to

728
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: an hour and a half it's not like it's overbearing

729
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: and they're doing it before it is truly truly scorching

730
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: hot out. But it's been warm, right. I know this

731
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: is an NFLPA thing, and I get it the collective

732
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement in terms of players and the amount of

733
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Speaker 1: practice they're doing. And maybe I'm just old, but I'm

734
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: still a little bit surprised at just how short the

735
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: practices are and at least to this point. And you

736
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, the the lack of overall intensity.

737
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm not the one out there, so don't get me wrong,

738
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to be. You know, the guy

739
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: that sits here talks about how tough Dick Buckets was.

740
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: But have you been, I guess, in any way, shape

741
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: or form, surprised by the i'll say lack of work

742
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: to this point, if that makes sense relatively speaking.

743
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 7: I think that you know, I've been covering the NFL

744
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 7: for about a decade now, and I think that that

745
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 7: puts me in the reins where I'm i this is

746
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 7: kind of what I own pretty much what I've seen,

747
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 7: even in covering another team and covering another coach and

748
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: Sean Payton, I attribute.

749
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: A lot of it to.

750
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 7: A lot of it to the NFLPA, but a lot

751
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 7: of it also to what goes on in those conversations

752
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 7: with the training staff and the medical staff behind the scenes.

753
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily know that you would see it different

754
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 7: anywhere other than I think the one place that has

755
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 7: a reputation for being more physical than anywhere else is

756
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin. But he's also kind of an

757
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 7: old school coach himself. He's been there a really long time,

758
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 7: and I think he kind of pushes the boundaries on

759
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 7: the physicality. I'll tell you this. I mean, I think

760
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 7: basically everyone you know who coached in a different era

761
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 7: of football says that it. You know, even when they

762
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 7: say they're being physical, they're not really being physical, right.

763
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 7: I just don't know that it's that different from anywhere

764
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 7: else around the NFL. It just feels like to me,

765
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 7: this is the way the.

766
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: NFL primin it's is now.

767
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: It's basically the collective Barney Agreement, right. I mean, didn't

768
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: they say we only want to do so? And I

769
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: get it again, I get it. I guess the question

770
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: I had in Steven and I were talking about this yesterday,

771
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Joel But Joel eric'son our guest, and that is do

772
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Speaker 1: we know Do we have enough body of work to know?

773
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: You know, the Colts have had a history in the

774
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: last decade or so of seemingly being a team that

775
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: has dealt with more little injuries over the course of

776
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: the year than most franchises. Maybe we just say that

777
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: because we cover them, right, But do we know or

778
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: will we ever know, whether or not scaling back practices

779
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: increases or decreases injury potential.

780
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 7: That's that's a fantastic question, because I think it's not

781
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 7: just the CBA. I also think it is these teams.

782
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 7: I think it's the school of thought within the people

783
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 7: who are in charge of strength and conditioning and rest

784
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 7: and recovery and all that stuff.

785
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: I think that is it is their school of thought

786
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: that this is the way to go as well.

787
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 7: Without seeing the data, Without seeing the data that they

788
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 7: have and that they use it at the owners meetings

789
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, I think it's really hard for

790
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 7: us to know, because I know in terms of the

791
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 7: Cults having more injuries, I know another thing that the

792
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 7: NFLPA has really talked.

793
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: About a lot is surfaces.

794
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 7: The surfaces they're playing on and that the old Lucas

795
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 7: oil turf was known as a bad surface to be

796
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 7: playing on, and that that that that was there's a

797
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 7: thought school of fuff that that has contributed to some

798
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 7: of the colts injuries over the years. Without having all

799
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 7: of the data available to us, I don't think we have.

800
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 7: I think it's really hard for us to do anything

801
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 7: more than speculate on it. And I also don't know

802
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 7: how to make them give us that data or or

803
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 7: sit down with us and say, okay, you're doing this,

804
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 7: how different from previous? How is that different from you know,

805
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 7: twenty years ago, four thirty years ago.

806
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Joel, do you think I should get three and a

807
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: half percent of Bernard Ryman's contract since it was on

808
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: this show that he said that they were far offer

809
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: than they got a deal done.

810
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 7: Uh, I'm totally fine with giving you three and a

811
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 7: half percent his I'm.

812
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: Pretty sure that's more than his agent gets. But I

813
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: have a.

814
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Agent typically gets seven percent, right, isn't that about right?

815
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, that's gone down over the.

816
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: Years, has it really? I mean a lot of these

817
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: agents have like one hundred guys, so it doesn't matter.

818
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: So what's the agent get what's the cut.

819
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 7: I think it's more in like the I thought I

820
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 7: in front of me right now, and I know we

821
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 7: have agency if I was wrong, But I think it's

822
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 7: more in like the.

823
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: Two Joel's gone down, Joel, hang on, Joel, I'd like

824
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: to I'd like to walk back what you just said.

825
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: I know there might be agents in this city that

826
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: are listening. Let me inform you of something. We got

827
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: twenty two female listeners. That's now up to twenty four.

828
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I think when Eddie was gone the other day we

829
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: picked up female listener number twenty four. Okay, yes, just

830
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: yesterday Shannon, who I've been dating now for twenty years,

831
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: actually asked what I do when I go to work?

832
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: So so that's off the table. My mom's at a

833
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: lunch today right now. And then. So I appreciate your

834
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: belief and confidence that there are listeners of this program,

835
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: but this is basically you and I sitting in a tent.

836
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: You know that, right.

837
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 7: I get enough text messages after I'm on with you, Jake,

838
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 7: because I know there are people listening.

839
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: Really, Oh yeah?

840
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Is it mostly people saying how big an ass is

841
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: that guy?

842
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Is? That?

843
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Typically what most of them say?

844
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 7: No, No, most of there. Most of them are like

845
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 7: most of them are like, Hey, I heard you on

846
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 7: on Jake talking about this and this or that. Sometimes

847
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 7: it's football, a lot of times it's about beer or something.

848
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: That's how it goes on this program, Joel. Let's be honest, right,

849
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way it goes. You know, you

850
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: sign up for this class, you're getting more, You're getting

851
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: a couple of electives along with it. Okay, Now, hold on, Eddie,

852
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: do you haven't had the breaking new sounder. We have

853
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: a verdict from Matt Taylor on the pronunciation of the

854
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: guy that right now is the clubhouse leader at corner,

855
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: the rookie out of the University of Minnesota. Justin is

856
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the first name. There is discussion whether it is Wally

857
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: or Whaley for the last name, and we have a

858
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: ruling from Matt Taylor, the voice of the Colts, who,

859
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: of course would know you would like to guess for

860
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: what answer Matt on that, Well, that's true, it's not Matt, Joel, Joel,

861
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: you would like to you're going with which one.

862
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: I've been I've been assuming it's Wally, so I'm gonna

863
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: stick with.

864
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: It, Eddie. Wally is indeed correct. That is the correct

865
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: answer is justin Wallach. I don't know why I I've

866
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: heard it both ways, though I'm not wrong there right.

867
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 7: There is a there is I know there's a beat

868
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 7: writer who I will not name, but that has has

869
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 7: had the other pronunciation.

870
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: So you've definitely heard it the other way.

871
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but it is indeed. Wallet. Now I'm telling you,

872
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: so what percent do I get for Ryman?

873
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: Let's go two and I say two and a half.

874
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 4: We'll give you two and a half.

875
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: Wow, listen, I'll take I'll take point zero two point

876
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: zero two, Eddie, can you look up for me please?

877
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's got to be an easy Joel. Are

878
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: you a math whiz? You're a writer, so you're not right.

879
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: You flunked every math class you ever took.

880
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 4: Right, I was good at mask back then. But now

881
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: someone gives it to me on a print out.

882
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: By the way, my buddy, my buddy, Rick Givers. Rick

883
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Givers is an agent, but he's a media agent, and

884
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: he says there's at least one agent listening.

885
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Now.

886
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Rick thinks I should get twelve percent, but that's because

887
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: we're buddies.

888
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: Eddie.

889
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: Can you look up? What point zero two percent is

890
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: of one hundred million, or just of one hundred what's

891
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: point zero? I should know that, what's point zero two

892
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: of one hundred? So one percent of one hundred is one?

893
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 6: So really you look at what point oh two of

894
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: one hundred is?

895
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, obvious, but of one hundred million, right, So then

896
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: you got to add, yes, it's two no, two percent,

897
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: two percent is two.

898
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 6: Hundred, jake, it would be.

899
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Two yeah, but yeah, point zero two is two.

900
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Percent, correct, that's two one hundred. Yeah, you're right. Okay,

901
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: So but of one hundred so of one hundred million,

902
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: how much is that?

903
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 6: That would be two million?

904
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, hell, let's go. Yeah, I'll take the point

905
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: oh two. No, point oh two of a percentage, right,

906
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: two million would be oh yeah, you're right for one

907
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: hundred million, you're right, Yeah, let's go. I'll take the

908
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: point oh two again. I mean, like I said, I

909
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: flunked algebra. I had to take it seven times and

910
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: then missus means helping me get through it. So two

911
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: and a half million for point oh two. Hell, I'll

912
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: take point oh two. Right, I'll take two hundred fifty grand.

913
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: That would be point oh two, right, Joel, I believe though,

914
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: come on, keep up here, man, I mean, you know

915
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: we're doing quick math. You got to keep up, Joel.

916
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: You're with math wizess here.

917
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 7: I helped a little bit, but now we're getting further

918
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 7: into it and I'm getting right again.

919
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Listen, I got all kinds of arrows flying past me.

920
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: All right, Joel, much appreciated. What's your beer order in

921
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: case I don't talk to you between now and when

922
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: I go to Milwaukee. Same as always?

923
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, same as always. Yep.

924
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 7: If you find, if you find the fat squirrel, bring

925
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 7: that back as well.

926
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: That's now. Now here's the thing. And you got to

927
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: clarify this. When you're talking to a Wisconsin I you're

928
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: actually talking about the beverage fat squirrel. You don't want

929
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: me to bring back an actual hefty squirrel, right because no, no,

930
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No, I mean we listen,

931
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: we have squirrels in Indiana. We don't I don't need

932
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: any squirrel understood. But but as you know, if it's

933
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin, it's a fatter squirrel because everything up there's

934
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: fatter because they live on beer and cheese. Right, I

935
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: mean we know this, right.

936
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: That's a thousand there's zero debate about that.

937
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: See the one thousand percent, now we know what that is.

938
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: A thousand percent of the hundred million. I'd take all right, Joel,

939
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it as always, you bet, you bet, Joel Ericson.

940
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure thrilled is to be spending his off day

941
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: with us today. The Fever are in action tonight, taking

942
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: on the Phoenix mercury. You know, when you really think

943
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: about it, when you get fever and mercury in the

944
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: same building, things are hot, right.

945
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 6: The same for when they face Connecticut. You've got the

946
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 6: Fever in the sun. Yeah, imagine that's fortune. Yeah, I mean,

947
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 6: you know, the mercury in the sun. I mean, I

948
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 6: never really thought about this until now, but it makes

949
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 6: perfect sense because I don't know, if you know, there's

950
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 6: not Eddie but outside right now, especially with that corn

951
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 6: sweat one hundred and sixteen degrees, tell you what the

952
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 6: mercury is up there on the thermometer.

953
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: It is. But the Fever are hoping that their hot

954
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: play can continue. They've won two in a row. But

955
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: there are a lot of question mark question marks wrong.

956
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: We'd a lot of things to discuss though, because of

957
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: where they navigate now through without Caitlin Clark joining us

958
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: now on the program, a return get to the show

959
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: and always happy to have her. Debbie Antonelli, who you

960
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: see doing television work, is the analyst for the fever. Debbie,

961
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: how are you?

962
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 8: What's up, Jake? And yes, let's hope that there's a lot.

963
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 9: Of hot hands in the gym tonight, that their offense

964
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 9: is fast and furious.

965
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get to that because and I've

966
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: talked about this with Stephanie White, but I want your

967
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on it, Debbie, in terms of the way that

968
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: you watch it and how they're navigating this, and that

969
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: is there is no denying and we know this that

970
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is the straw that mixes the drink for

971
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: the fever in a perfect situation. But when you remove that,

972
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: then you have this kind of balance between sustaining until

973
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: she returns or if you don't know when that's going

974
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: to be moving forward without her. And I know that

975
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: that sounds ridiculous, but I think you get what I'm

976
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: saying there. Let's begin with the first part. They have

977
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: been able to play without her because they have utilized

978
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: or taken advantage of.

979
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 9: What their overall team right now, Kelsey Mitchell's thirty one

980
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 9: minutes a game, Aliah Boston thirty minutes a game.

981
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 8: Everyone else is less than that.

982
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 9: So I thought Stephanie White and staff continue to do

983
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 9: a great job of balancing out.

984
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 8: To change in the rhythm of the game.

985
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 9: And one of the ways you can do that is

986
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 9: with the depth of the team, the schemes, you can

987
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 9: call time out, you can substitute, There's a lot of

988
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 9: things you can do to change the rhythm. But I

989
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 9: think that they have done a really good job of

990
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 9: keeping their depth as a focal point.

991
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: And then the other question with that Debbie becomes when

992
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark returns, and we can get into the win

993
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: in a second, but when she does, clearly she is

994
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: an elite player, But do you have to kind of

995
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: slowly reacclimate that because of getting used to or finding

996
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: your way through without her in that lineup.

997
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 8: I definitely think there's some acclamation to.

998
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 9: Weeding her back in, if you will, And it seems

999
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 9: like such a soft term to use. I mean, obviously,

1000
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: when you've got the elite level skill set, the all

1001
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 9: star power that Caitlin brings on the floor, when you

1002
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 9: look at her numbers. Last year she took fourteen and

1003
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 9: a half shots a game. This year she's taking fifteen.

1004
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 9: It's not that big of a difference in terms of

1005
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 9: the number of shots, but her impact, her influence on pace,

1006
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 9: on space, and certainly in making everyone else better, which

1007
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 9: is hard to measure in any sort of statistical category.

1008
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 9: Those are things that you have to acclimate Caitlin into

1009
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 9: with the speed and the rhythm of the game.

1010
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: When you look Debbie, and this is going to sound

1011
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: like I'm being critical, I please understand that's not where

1012
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: this is coming from, Okay, But when you look at

1013
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: for example, you know Kelsey Mitchell, who has played really

1014
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: well in the absence, and you talk about the fact

1015
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: that Aliah b Auston becomes a little more focal in

1016
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: terms of their offense, and we know how gifted she

1017
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: can be on the low post, but is winning that

1018
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: way and playing that way without her sustainable.

1019
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 9: I don't think that you, in the back of your mind,

1020
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 9: believe that you're going to be at your best until

1021
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 9: you have Caitlin one hundred percent. So having said that,

1022
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 9: I think the players have to take it to the

1023
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 9: next level.

1024
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 8: And everyone has done that.

1025
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 9: Now does Aliah Boston get the same number of field

1026
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 9: goal attempts without Caitlin, or does she catch the ball

1027
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 9: in the same quality as shot area.

1028
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 8: That she's really good in. No, I would say that

1029
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 8: doesn't happen.

1030
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 9: But part of that is because of what Indiana runs

1031
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 9: and the offense that they run. And Kelsey Mitchell is

1032
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 9: on fire, but she was on fire at this point

1033
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 9: last year. When you look at her numbers from last

1034
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 9: year to this year, she is sustaining that elite level play.

1035
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 9: I actually watched her today go through a shooting workout today, Jake.

1036
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 9: I mean, look, this is the morning of the game,

1037
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 9: and I'm watching Kelsey go through the different spots and

1038
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 9: shots that she's going to get on the floor, working

1039
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 9: on her footwork, working on her cuts and her different

1040
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 9: movements without the ball.

1041
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 8: Look, she sustains the high level of excellence.

1042
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 9: It's not a surprise to any of us that have

1043
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 9: been watching Kelsey for a long time what she's capable

1044
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 9: of doing. I thought she put up those same numbers

1045
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 9: on the floor with Caitlin. I think she's getting a

1046
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 9: chance to get a few more shots per game without Caitlin,

1047
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 9: and that's a good thing for the fever because they

1048
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 9: need her scoring to be able to win.

1049
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about Debbie Antonelli is our guest,

1050
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Indiana fever, Caitlin Clark in terms

1051
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: of the number of shots that she was taking, and

1052
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: then we saw her shooting percentage really go down, especially

1053
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: from the outside. Do we have enough now that we

1054
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: can say that that is that that was injury related?

1055
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: Do you think?

1056
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 8: I personally think so after watching Caitlin.

1057
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 9: For as many years and knowing as a shooter that

1058
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 9: she certainly has the ability to self correct and.

1059
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 8: She has the ability to get her muscle memory where

1060
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 8: it needs to be. I've talked about this with you

1061
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 8: before about shooters.

1062
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 9: You know, when your footwork and your base and your

1063
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 9: balance isn't what it needs to be. Just think about

1064
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 9: letting your back hurts a little bit, or when your

1065
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 9: knee aches and you can't do the things that you

1066
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 9: typically do as a regular person. And then you compound

1067
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 9: that with the types of injuries that she's had and

1068
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 9: how that affects her ability to navigate space on the floor.

1069
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 9: Maybe her step back isn't as far back as it's been,

1070
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 9: Maybe it's off by a little bit of a rhythm.

1071
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 9: There's certain things that shooters know about, you know, the

1072
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 9: bottom part of their shot versus the top part of

1073
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 9: their shot, because there's two different things there, right the

1074
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 9: bottom your footwork, your load to high, your load where

1075
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 9: you catch the ball. Then the top part where your

1076
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 9: hands are. Do you have to drop your hands on

1077
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 9: a pass or your hands up? But where's her follow through?

1078
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 9: There's so many technical things that I don't worry about

1079
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 9: that stuff with Caitlin.

1080
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 8: I clearly think that.

1081
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 9: Injury has played a role in her not being able

1082
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 9: to shoot the ball as efficiently as she's done it

1083
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 9: in the past. But then we're at twenty six games, Jake,

1084
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 9: and she's played thirteen and she's missed thirteen. It's been

1085
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 9: in and out all year, so she personally has not

1086
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 9: been able to get in much of a rhythm.

1087
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: Debbi when we talked. I talked yesterday to Stephanie White

1088
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: about just the overall evolution of the WNBA and the

1089
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: number of different styles that coach White has to prepare

1090
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: for versus say, if you were coming up with game

1091
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: planning twenty years ago. Because the game has evolved, but

1092
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: it also the women's game has evolved. Has that trickled

1093
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: down to you now that we have an entire and

1094
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to forget this. We have now

1095
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: college basketball players who have never known different than seeing

1096
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: women playing at the professional level. And to be someone

1097
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to see someone. And if you look

1098
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: back at your playing career at NC State and you

1099
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: look at the style of college play today, are we

1100
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: seeing now the overall level and versatility of the game

1101
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: at the college level being benefit from an entire generation

1102
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: of seeing that example before them.

1103
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 8: I don't think there's any question.

1104
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 9: And that is a beautiful thing and a wonderful statement

1105
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 9: that we have incredible skill set at the elite level

1106
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 9: with the best players in the world showcasing that on

1107
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 9: a platform that everyone can consume. And you're watching all

1108
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 9: these little young girls come up that are learning how

1109
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 9: to play the game because they're emulating what a Caitlin

1110
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 9: Clark might do, or what in the Leah Boston or

1111
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 9: Kelsey Mitchell might do.

1112
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 8: I think that's a wonderful thing.

1113
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 9: And yes, back in the day, we didn't run any

1114
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 9: ball screens.

1115
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 8: We ran everything off the ball.

1116
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 9: And now you do see a trickle down from what

1117
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 9: comes internationally or NBA internationally into.

1118
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 8: The women's game.

1119
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 9: And you know what we have as a hidden jewel

1120
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 9: or gem on our staff in Lynn Dunn. There are

1121
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 9: a lot of intricacies that Lynn Dunn has brought to

1122
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 9: the game that we have all learned from. She brought

1123
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 9: horns from the NBA into the WNBA. She inverted on

1124
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 9: out of bounce plays defensively, which is something that no

1125
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 9: one was doing. So yes, I do think that there

1126
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 9: is a pass through and I do think it is

1127
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 9: passing through and that is part of the reason why

1128
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 9: our game is at such a good level right now

1129
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 9: and the product is so good. That's why the young players,

1130
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 9: the rookie class come in and.

1131
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 8: Have an immediate impact.

1132
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 9: It's fun to watch, it's exciting, and it's really good

1133
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 9: for the future growth of the league.

1134
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: I'd like to take a road trip with Lynn Dunn.

1135
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: I'd like from here, just drive, like from here to

1136
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: Wyoming with Lynn Dunn. It would be non stop pilarity,

1137
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: would it not.

1138
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 9: Lynn Dunn can tell you what Los Angeles and or

1139
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 9: Chicago might have run for Candas Parker in the third

1140
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 9: quarter on an that a bounds play.

1141
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: In the second Yeah, I mean, it's amazing.

1142
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 9: Dotted down and she has such incredible knowledge. She is

1143
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 9: such a savant when it comes to the game and

1144
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 9: the intricacies of the game. And she's you know, serving

1145
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 9: a very important role with the Indiana Fever, which she

1146
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 9: has served for many years.

1147
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Debbie Antonelli our guest. Of course, you see her

1148
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: on Fever games as the television analyst for the Indiana Fever.

1149
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: Fever and Action tonight taking on Phoenix pregame with Eddie

1150
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: at six forty five. Debbie, you know, I'm going to

1151
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: ask you this before we let you go, and this

1152
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: is something we have discussed before, but I want to

1153
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: revisit it. I think it's important. This is in Indiana

1154
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: right now now, I mean literally this week. Teachers are

1155
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: back in school, kids are getting ready to go back

1156
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: in school at most of the schools here. For people

1157
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: that are listening that have young students that are getting

1158
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: ready to go back to school, we just talked about

1159
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: the importance of sometimes to be something, you've got to

1160
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: see something. And for those kids that are going back

1161
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: to school, that are going back as your son Frankie

1162
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: did in special ed that want to be and have

1163
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: visions and dreams and hopes and aspirations just like kids

1164
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: that are in the normal general education classes. What can

1165
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: somebody who is a parent of a general education student

1166
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: say to or encouraged to their child right now at

1167
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: the start of the school year to get things started

1168
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: on the right foot for those that are in special

1169
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: education that can allow those special ed kids to see

1170
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: what it is that they two can be. What can

1171
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: a general ed student be encouraged to do or say.

1172
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 8: Jake, this is one of the reasons why I will

1173
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 8: always say.

1174
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 9: Yes to having it has to be on your show

1175
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 9: because you have always allowed me to talk hoops and

1176
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 9: then use my basketball platform to share what's really important

1177
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 9: and what basketball has taught me and how we've gone

1178
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 9: about raising Frankie. Today, ironically, is Frankie's twenty eighth birthday.

1179
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: Outstanding.

1180
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 9: My son Yes with Down syndrome is living independently with support,

1181
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 9: holding two jobs now granted he works a three or

1182
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 9: four hour shift, and he has friends that he socializes with,

1183
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 9: and he has a full, complete, living his best life.

1184
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 9: It is a village that is required to have somebody

1185
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 9: with special needs to be able to live a full,

1186
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 9: complete life that is healthy and has options to make

1187
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 9: healthy choices and can thrive if you're.

1188
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 8: A parent and you have a kid and.

1189
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 9: You haven't talked about tolerating differences and showing empathy and

1190
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 9: working on your emotional like you even as a young person.

1191
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 8: These are things that.

1192
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 9: As you grow, you're going to be a part of

1193
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 9: society that is ever changing with people that are different.

1194
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 9: Everyone has something, everyone has something different if you just

1195
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 9: take the time. There's two cliches that I often quote

1196
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 9: that I do not like. Do not judge a book

1197
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 9: by its cover. And you don't know anything about somebody

1198
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 9: till you walk a mile on their shoes. If you're

1199
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 9: making a judgment, take a step back, take a deep

1200
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 9: breath and think about what you would do if you

1201
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 9: were that parent of that child with special needs. How

1202
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 9: would you approach them and what would you say to them?

1203
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 9: And how can you help everyone around you be happy,

1204
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 9: healthy and involved.

1205
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 8: That's the way we've raised our three boys. Those are

1206
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 8: the three most important things.

1207
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 9: That we talked about all the time. And making good

1208
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 9: choices and making a good choice would be making a

1209
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 9: new friend.

1210
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, sometimes as simple as hey,

1211
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: you want to sit with us at lunch today? That

1212
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: can go a long, long way.

1213
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 9: Right, it can, and then if you can follow up

1214
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 9: with it, because it's just like any other networking comportunity.

1215
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 8: If you spin it back, you know.

1216
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 9: We're all trying to network to advance whatever we want

1217
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 9: to do.

1218
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 8: So you meet new people so that you can build

1219
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 8: a bigger circle.

1220
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 9: Think about that as a kid at lunch, if you

1221
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 9: invite him to sit down that don't let that be

1222
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 9: the only time or the one time you do it.

1223
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 9: Continue to invite that kid to do something else with you,

1224
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 9: and maybe it's something outside of school, because that will

1225
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 9: matter more than you ever realize, and it could have

1226
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 9: an indelible impression on yourself.

1227
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 8: It's not just about the kid with special needs, it's

1228
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 8: about everybody else.

1229
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, our friend Fulton said he just blew out twenty

1230
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: six birthday candles last week, and now Frankie does two better,

1231
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: twenty eight of them he'll blow out today. Tell him

1232
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: happy birthday from us.

1233
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 9: All right, Yeah, thanks Jake, love being on with you guys.

1234
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 8: Enjoy the game tonight.

1235
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Debbie Antonella joining us Fever and Action

1236
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: tonight against seven o'clock against Phoenix six forty five. Pregame

1237
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: with Eddie