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Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: To achieve true justice for victims. To date, the significant

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Speaker 3: information that has come out has come from the Oversight

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Speaker 3: and Government Reform Committee as a result of its issuing

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Speaker 3: thirteen subpoenas. We've released sixty five thousand pages of documents

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Speaker 3: from the Department of Justice, the Epstein estate, which was

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Speaker 3: not mentioned in the underlying legislation. Former US attorney and others.

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Speaker 1: That is Virginia Fox, Republican, North Carolina speaking on.

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Speaker 2: The floor of the Houses.

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Speaker 1: They are debating the release of the Epstein files happening

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Speaker 1: as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kunts, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: This is really about a discharge petition and whether or

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Speaker 1: not this information is going to get released with no reactions,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a.

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Speaker 2: Mistake and we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: But you have on the other side of the aisle

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey, the Republican from Kentucky, excoriating for Republicans for

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Speaker 1: not doing this earlier, and how dare you not seat

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Speaker 1: a representative electra Haalva out of Arizona for forty nine days? Well,

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Speaker 1: with all due respect, you understand that none of that mattered.

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Speaker 1: You had a shutdown you were dealing with, and that's

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Speaker 1: the excuse that the speaker used. Could he have sadder, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he could have satder, but he chose not to apply

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Speaker 1: pressure to get the shutdown over with. And Thomas Massey's

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Speaker 1: words will fall very much on deaf ears in that regard.

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Speaker 1: But Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, Nancy Mason, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Masa represented Mason, South Carolina, just spoke about her own

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Speaker 1: victim is and about these women. They want this release already,

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Speaker 1: they want it now, and Republicans absolutely did not move

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Speaker 1: fast enough. That's my take because we here have been

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Speaker 1: saying quite clearly we want to release We absolutely want

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Speaker 1: to release these files. We want to know who is involved,

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Speaker 1: and people need to be prosecuted. It's not enough just

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Speaker 1: to say here you go, who goes to jail? Because

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Speaker 1: if people don't go to jail, well.

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Speaker 2: Then what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: So right now you've got Thomas Massey speaking and discussing

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Speaker 1: the legislation which is now a great part of this debate.

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Speaker 4: Our judicial system is broken. If it were working, there

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be a thousand victims who haven't seen justice yet.

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Speaker 4: They are victims of the Epstein class. I'd begrudge nobody

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Speaker 4: that they've become a billionaire. But if you think being

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Speaker 4: a billionaire or buying politicians keeps you out of the

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Speaker 4: judicial system, lets you rape young women, Lets you traffic women.

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Speaker 4: Got another thing coming when this bill passes. Do not

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Speaker 4: let the Senate muck this up. There have already been

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Speaker 4: efforts to derail this our discharge petition. The Oversight Committee

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Speaker 4: has released thousands, tens.

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Speaker 2: Of thousands of documents. That's fine, keep working. How many

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Speaker 2: names have you released? Zero?

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Speaker 4: You are still protecting or the DOJ is protecting pedophiles

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Speaker 4: and sex traffickers. The time for that to stop is

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Speaker 4: now now. Our speaker says, ohate, this bill needs him

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Speaker 4: ended in the Senate. And specifically, he's trying to create

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Speaker 4: a loophole. He's trying to categorize the pedophiles as victims.

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Speaker 4: He's saying, oh, we don't Paris the people that went

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Speaker 4: to the rape island. We should protect those names against

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Speaker 4: unreliable accusations. Is he calling all of these victims unreliable.

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Speaker 4: They've testified to the FBI. The FBI has these names

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Speaker 4: in their possession. I asked the FBI director in a hearing,

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Speaker 4: have you looked at the documents? No, he trusts everybody

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Speaker 4: that's been there for decades.

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Speaker 2: That is wrong. Do not let the Senate muck this

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Speaker 4: And if you are, if you're a party to that

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Speaker 4: in the Senate, you are part of this cover up

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Speaker 4: that we are trying to expose. No no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no millionaire donor no no. Because he went to rape

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Speaker 1: Anybody who was on the island, you want to throw

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Speaker 1: them in jail, Go right ahead, Representative Messy. But if

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Speaker 1: the argument is you need to redact the names of

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Speaker 1: victims who might not want to be made famous, then

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Speaker 1: do that. The discharge petition doesn't. That's a flaw. And

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Speaker 1: you tell me I'm wrong for that. You can go

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Speaker 1: to Helen A.

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Speaker 1: Just who do you think you are? You ain't the

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Speaker 1: toughest guy in the room. I've seen you in a vest.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he is wearing a three piece suit

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Speaker 1: But this isn't the fashion police. This is rationality. You

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Speaker 1: don't expose victims who don't want to be exposed. And

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Speaker 1: because you're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Is this going to get screwed up in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: It's going to get changed in the Senate because you're

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Speaker 1: not engaging the protections justice.

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Speaker 2: You should be with that.

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Speaker 1: But I will appreciate the idea of pushing to make

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Speaker 1: sure these files get released.

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Speaker 2: And absolutely the move.

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Speaker 1: From President Trump to say release the files changes a

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Speaker 1: lot of things in a lot of good ways. And

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Speaker 1: the President got moved to releasing the files because he

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Speaker 1: was wrong to begin with when he said it didn't matter,

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Speaker 1: when he said this is just a hoax, when he said,

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Speaker 1: why are you bothering with this? He was wrong, that's all.

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Speaker 1: He misread the He misread the party. And then you

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Speaker 1: had the influencers, anybody who will do anything Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: President Trump says, it's a hoax. It doesn't matter why

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Speaker 1: you're paying attention to this. They were all wrong, every

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Speaker 1: single one of them was wrong.

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Speaker 2: The American people were right.

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Speaker 1: People in the political right got told, Yeah, you were

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Speaker 1: told about Epstein, you talked about Apstein. But it turns

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Speaker 1: out it never mattered and you don't care about this,

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Speaker 1: And the people were like, oh, yes we do, and

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Speaker 1: we don't care who you are, how many followers you

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Speaker 1: have or anything else. No, no, no, we're right, we are right.

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Speaker 1: Release the files. You got to release them in a

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Speaker 1: way that makes sense. Can't victimize people a second time

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Speaker 1: just because you're going to prove that they can be released.

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Speaker 1: I want to know who was involved, so do you can't?

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Speaker 1: We know that in a right way. Now they've got

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Speaker 1: Democrats talking truth and transparency for the American people. Now,

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Speaker 1: Republican leaders in this host lost control of the story.

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Speaker 1: They lost the ability to hide behind proceps, and they

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Speaker 1: the right side. The American people see it, survivors see

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Speaker 1: it in history, will see it.

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Speaker 5: And listening to the Speaker of the House's press conference today,

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Speaker 5: I mean it sounds like he basically wants to kill

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Speaker 5: this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: That is a lie from a govern the Democrat, a

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Speaker 2: I listened to it. I'll share it with you.

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Speaker 5: In the next as want what an awful, awful thing

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Speaker 5: to do, So let us release the files. Let's give

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Speaker 5: survivors the transparency they've long been denied us.

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Speaker 1: This is ignorantly stupid of him, billionaire relief who think

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Speaker 1: they can You think this is about Republican versus Democrat,

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Speaker 1: and you're continuing it.

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Speaker 2: And let's remember place at Hell for stuff like this.

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Speaker 5: We had to be dragged here under duress, and who

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Speaker 5: stood up from day one demanding the truth and with

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Speaker 5: that I year back.

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Speaker 1: Gross members are reminded of strains from engaging in personalities

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Speaker 2: Com and yields back. The gentle lady from North Carolina

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Speaker 2: is recognized.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, mister speaker. Mister Speaker, Those of us who

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Speaker 3: did not sign the discharge petition are just as concerned

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Speaker 3: as our colleagues who signed the discharge petition. We share

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Speaker 3: contempt for anyone who abused anyone else. I've stood on

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Speaker 3: this floor many times, mister Speaker, to speak out for

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Speaker 3: victims and survivors of people who have been abused, and

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Speaker 2: So this is Virginia Fox.

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Speaker 3: Be characterized as insensitive to that.

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Speaker 1: She is a Republican from North Carolina speaking about the

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Speaker 1: position of this is about what the discharge petition does.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A discharge petition is a petition if signed by a

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Speaker 1: large enough group, it avoids all the normal channels of

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Speaker 1: legislation getting to the floor for a vote, and bring

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Speaker 1: them to a vote immediately. The problem with this discharge

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Speaker 1: petitions I've been stating is that it's going to let

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Speaker 1: loose a whole bunch of information, doesn't redact anything.

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Speaker 2: It's a problem. It's a legitimate, legitimate problem. Being asked

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Speaker 2: in the chat, why does it need a vote?

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Speaker 1: The release of the files does indeed need a vote? Now,

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Speaker 1: I think the question you might be asking is, well,

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Speaker 1: can't the president just release this information?

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Speaker 2: One could argue yes.

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Speaker 1: One could also argue that there is a system by

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Speaker 1: which you go about the engaging of releasing of things

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Speaker 1: that have been involved in or currently possibly in investigation,

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Speaker 1: and that's where the congressional approval comes into play. All

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Speaker 1: that said, the push for the discharge petition I believe

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Speaker 1: is a mistake. The release of the files, I believe

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Speaker 1: is necessary. More is coming up.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz. Today,