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Speaker 1: Live from Vall, Heartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: To succeed Christy Nome as the next Homeland Security Secretary.

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Speaker 2: You're watching live coverage on c Span two.

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Speaker 4: Chairman. The Department of Homeland Security needs a leader who

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Speaker 4: can restore the trust the DHS has broken with the

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Speaker 4: American people and with this committee. At his confirmation hearing yesterday,

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Speaker 4: we saw that, unfortunately, Senator Mullen is not up to

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Speaker 4: that challenge. When I heard President Trump would be nominating

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Speaker 4: Senator Mullen, I kept an open mind. However, throughout the

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Speaker 4: nomination process, he has failed to be forthright and transparent.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody believe that the Democrat from Michigan kept an

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Speaker 1: open mind in the hearing of Mark Wayne Mullen.

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Speaker 2: We can we just please not do this to each other.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. Thank you for being a part

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Speaker 1: of the show. Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. No,

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Speaker 1: no one believes this, but the Senate panel right the

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Speaker 1: Senate Homeland Security Committee had the debate on whether or

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Speaker 1: not to move forward Mark Wayne Mullen's nomination to the

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Speaker 1: full Senate.

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Speaker 2: I will say for the record, I think Mark Wayne Mullen.

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Speaker 5: Had a aerable, absolutely awful day in front of the

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Speaker 5: Senate Committee.

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Speaker 2: I think he looked really, really bad.

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Speaker 1: And there are even moments of if you will, contrition

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Speaker 1: regarding this and the death of Alex pretty.

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Speaker 4: After DHS officers shot and killed two American citizens this

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Speaker 4: past January, you joined top administrative fish in publicly blaming

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Speaker 4: and disparaging the victims. Following the killing of Rene Good,

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Speaker 4: Secretary Nome called her a domestic terrorist. You, sir, you

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Speaker 4: called Alex Preddy quote a deranged individual that came in

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Speaker 4: to cause max damage. Could we expect those kinds of

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Speaker 4: quick responses if you are confirmed as secretary? Would you

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Speaker 4: be basically what you did you responded to a Secretary Nome?

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Speaker 6: Or we're going to just expect that same behavior all

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Speaker 6: over again. No, Senator, I have a deep amount of

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Speaker 6: had a conversation. Those words probably should have been retracted.

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Speaker 6: I shouldn't have said that in Secretary, I wouldn't. The

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Speaker 6: investigation is ongoing and there is. Like I said, there's

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Speaker 6: sometimes going to make mistake and I own it that one.

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Speaker 6: I went out there too fast. I was responding immediately

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Speaker 6: without the facts. That's my fault. That won't happen as secretary.

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Speaker 6: So you regret that statement? I already said that, yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: Would you want to apologize to the family of Alex

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Speaker 4: Pretty well, sir, I just said I regret those statements.

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Speaker 4: Is that the same as an apology?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 2: Now, it's the investigation.

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Speaker 6: We'll let the investigation go through, and if I'm proven wrong,

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Speaker 6: then I will absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Everything's always a struggle session. I want you say this.

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Speaker 2: They're right behind you. Why don't you do that again?

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Speaker 1: This is why when you tell me he came in

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Speaker 1: with an open mind, Senator Peters, I don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday that using people's words and saying you

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Speaker 1: When you're trying to be a cabinet secretary. Yes, these

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Speaker 1: things will come back to you, and that's all fair game.

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Speaker 1: It just didn't seem to me like it was a

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Speaker 1: good day for Mark Wayne Mullen. Do I think that

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Speaker 1: he is somehow, you know, not a guy who has

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have any way of deciding that

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Speaker 1: How would I know his temperament outside of what this

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Speaker 2: I never worked with the man, right, that never happened.

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Speaker 1: And when we talk about temperament, why did alle Jundra

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Speaker 1: Mayorcis have the right temperament? If he wasn't interested in

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Speaker 1: securing the border, that to me would be the completely

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Speaker 1: wrong temperament. It doesn't matter that he's nice and sweet

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Speaker 1: matters what they do in the job. That's what matters.

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Speaker 1: But still, I didn't think it was a great day

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Speaker 1: for Mark Waynemullin and I have been saying, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: Jd Vance to tiebreak. But it's very possible. What you're

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Speaker 1: Is a Democrat coming across to the other side.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we get to that, let's continue what they

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Speaker 1: As they were debating whether to move Mark wayn Mullen

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Speaker 4: Senator Mullen also showed that he doesn't have the experience

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Speaker 4: troubled by Senator Mullen's willingness to condone political violence in

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Speaker 4: the message that that sends ACROSSDHS. And we're not talking

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Speaker 4: about an isolated lapse in judgment. After Senator Mullen attempted

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, the bipartisan Senate Ethics Committee took a

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Speaker 4: closer look at his conduct before and after that incident.

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Speaker 4: Not only did the members of this committee find his

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Speaker 4: actions that the hearing were improper. In a letter admonishing

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Speaker 4: Senator Mullen, they wrote, and I quote from their letter, further,

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Speaker 4: when offered multiple, multiple public opportunities to clarify the intent

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Speaker 4: means to resolve political disagreement. End a quote that's from

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Speaker 4: the Ethics Committee. From the US seven, there will be

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Speaker 4: no shortage of his political disagreements facing the next DHS secretary.

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Speaker 4: The department and the American people deserve a leader who

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Speaker 4: is steady and proven under pressure, not just someone better

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Speaker 2: I'll be voting now now for the records to you.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to talk about low bars set and

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about low bars. You got to

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Speaker 2: keep bringing that up. Do I think Christy Home was great?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 2: I don't think Christin Home was great.

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Speaker 1: I think Christy Home was presented with every opportunity and

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been this way. It didn't have to

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Speaker 1: have been beyond rock stars. And we really should get

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Speaker 1: into what's happening with Marco Rubio and JD. Vance and

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Speaker 2: In people's minds. But leave them to the side.

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Speaker 1: Sean Duffy has been outstanding, outstanding. Doug Bergham and that's interior.

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Speaker 1: You don't even hear him, but he's doing the work.

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Speaker 1: You've got people like Collins, Doug Collins running the VA.

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Speaker 1: You're not hearing anything except slowly, but surely things are

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Speaker 1: the nomination of RFK. You heard me do it here

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Speaker 1: numerous times. They're so mad at RFK and doctor Oz

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Speaker 1: They've got judges trying to stop them every turn, but

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Speaker 2: There are some seriously good.

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Speaker 1: Things happening, and then there's some issues, of course, and

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Speaker 1: Christino was an issue.

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Speaker 2: We're not done with Lori Diremer, Lori Chabas.

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Speaker 1: Dremer Labor Secretary and what she was possibly doing with staffers.

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Speaker 1: We're not done with Tulci Gabbard, which I'm really fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty on whether we see her six months from

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Speaker 1: now as Director of National Intelligence. I am, but this

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Speaker 1: was the controversy about her.

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Speaker 2: Before.

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Speaker 1: The controversy about Tulsi Gabbard was she was so anti war?

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Speaker 1: Would she present as the Director of National Intelligence a

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Speaker 1: a legit concern. And when you see this guy, Joe

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Speaker 1: Kent tool, I don't care about his history. I don't

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Speaker 1: care that he's served, I don't care about the rest.

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Speaker 1: What he's doing now is nuts. And there is a

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Speaker 1: possible FBI investigation. And how he presented himself with Tucker.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he did the Tucker interview a day

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Speaker 1: after resigning tells you how coordinated this all was. It's

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Speaker 1: not even a question. There's no debate. Oh and this

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Speaker 1: is all Israel leading America by the nose. When he

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Speaker 1: is on record multiple times saying you got to take

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Some people will call it grift,

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Speaker 2: some people will call it a money grab. I'll let

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Speaker 1: That this guy should have any followers, have any strength,

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Speaker 1: have a following on social media. Oh my gosh, where

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Speaker 1: is the resolve. It is not resolved to say Israel's

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Speaker 1: and disagree about it. Israel's causing it is you might

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Speaker 1: as well just be a leftist screaming racist. It's that

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Speaker 2: The problem is people aren't ignoring it.

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Speaker 1: And the younger generation, specifically twining until twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: You lose that, you lose that group, it's over. It's

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Speaker 1: It's a real, real danger. But you also see why

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Speaker 1: these people are saying it. The Tucker's, the Canvasays, the Ken's,

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Speaker 2: It's because they want that group. They're going after that as.

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Speaker 2: I didn't pay attention. Now that's that's my take.

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Speaker 1: But back to this hearing, as we talk about people

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Speaker 1: doing the job and not doing the job, I won't

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Speaker 1: listen to anybody tell me how what a terrible job

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Speaker 1: Christy Nome did. If you're not going to mention what

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Speaker 2: Hunt of my orchested, but you could clearly.

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Speaker 1: Say that Christy nom didn't do a job well, specifically

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Speaker 2: But back to this this hearing that took place.

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Speaker 8: Say anything on the Republican sign or otherwise, Okay, if not,

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Speaker 8: the committee will now proceed to the consideration of Mark

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Speaker 8: Wayne Ullen to be Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 1: So one Democrats against Mark wwayin Mellon. Republicans were like, Nope,

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Speaker 1: just bring on the vote, everybody, and they brought on

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Speaker 1: the vote.

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Speaker 3: The clerk will call the role Senator Johnson, Senor Langford,

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Speaker 1: That's an eye from Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, the Democrat.

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Speaker 3: mister Chairman. On the vote of those present, the Yeaser

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Speaker 1: In January, I called on the President to fire no him,

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Speaker 2: With an open mind. We need a leader at DHS.

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Speaker 1: My yes vote is rooted in a strong, committed, constructive,

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Speaker 1: That means you can lose Ram's Paul. But now you

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Speaker 1: So are there three Republicans that are going to defect Murkowski?

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 9: I stand here today speaking to you the American people,

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Speaker 9: not through filters, not through reporters, not through cable news spin.

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Speaker 9: A dishonest and anti Trump press will stop at nothing.

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Speaker 9: We know this at this point to downplay progress, amplify

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Speaker 2: Sadly TDS is.

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Speaker 9: In their DNA.

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Speaker 1: Well, looks like Secret Jary Heggstth's coming out swinging this morning.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: That's how he started the press conference this morning regarding

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Speaker 2: It is what it is. It's also regime change.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is, and I'm fine with removing

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Speaker 2: They got to go.

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Speaker 1: But it was very very direct, very focused, and he

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Speaker 9: Today we've struck over seven thousand targets across Iran and

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Speaker 9: its military infrastructure. That is not incremental, that is overwhelming

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Speaker 9: force applied with precision, and again today will be the

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Speaker 9: I've said from day one, our capabilities continue to build,

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Speaker 9: destruction from above Iran's air defenses flattened. Iran's defense industrial base,

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Speaker 9: still shoot, we know that, but they would shoot a

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Speaker 1: IRGC, good lord, I mean, you got to appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: It's we're doing this. We're killing these people, and that's

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Speaker 9: To do or besiege, temp jobs, all of them. And

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Speaker 9: to borrow a page from Admiral Ernest King in World

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Speaker 9: War Two, we've decided to share the ocean with Iran.

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Speaker 9: We've given them the bottom half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, coming out swinging, and I am in favor

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Speaker 1: I think it's been a long time since people have

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Speaker 2: Next, let's destroy the rest of this regime and then

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Speaker 2: let's come home. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: This story going around about Kathy Hokel, the governor of

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because of what I do for a living.

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Speaker 1: The left never looks at policy and says, hey, people

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Speaker 2: Now you're selling your house to pay a tax on

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Speaker 1: And now you've got a glut, and everybody's to sell

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Speaker 2: And it gets super ugly.

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Speaker 1: Progressives are super ugly because they don't believe.

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Speaker 1: Game to figure out how they can make it theirs.

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Speaker 1: We see this time and again. But in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 10: We're here to say that the era of Trump and

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Speaker 2: Okay, get out of town. Get out of town, because.

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Speaker 10: You you don't represent our values.

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Speaker 2: You are not New Yorkers.

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Speaker 1: Get on a bus, get out of town. You don't

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Speaker 1: Now I would rather those businesses move to the Midwest than.

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Speaker 1: We have less bugs, Frozen iguanas don't fall from trees.

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Speaker 1: You can afforda house here the Midwest. It's better, and

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Speaker 2: If I was a Midwest covenor, if I was in

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Speaker 1: You should be in Indiana, you should be in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Would present the Midwest. You should bring your business to Peoria, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: every day, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard. You know, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to sell Illinois when you've got Pritzker engage

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Speaker 1: in the same kinds of conversations. Or you can always

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Speaker 1: go to North Carolina because we're on WBT in Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: and that's also very very acceptable.

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Speaker 2: So that was her.

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Speaker 1: That was Kathy Hochel, the progressive governor of New York

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Here she is in twenty twenty six and.

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Speaker 7: Being conscious of the facts that I need people who

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Speaker 7: are high net worth to support the generous social programs

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Speaker 7: that we want to have in our state. Right now,

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Speaker 7: there are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cut me.

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Speaker 7: The checks, I think, just if you want to be supportive,

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Speaker 7: but maybe the first step should be go down to

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Speaker 7: Palm Beach and see what you can bring back home

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Speaker 7: because our tech space has been eroded.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Turns out you can't find quote unquote patriotic millionaires to

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Speaker 1: cut you enough checks for your generous social programs.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're not believers in the general social programs.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe you're too generous with other people's money, which

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Speaker 1: is the definition of socialism.

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Speaker 2: It was Margaret Thatcher, right.

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Speaker 1: The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out

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Speaker 1: of other people's money because these politicians are really generous

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Speaker 1: with your money. That's why do you think I opposed

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Speaker 1: the minimum wage. The minimum wage is politicians being generous.

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Speaker 2: With your money. Why don't you be generous with your money.

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Speaker 2: If you don't want to be generous, well, it's your money.

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Speaker 1: They're going to decide not only what the amount of

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Speaker 1: generous is, but what generous means. Not generous to programs

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Speaker 1: you buy into, to you that you believe that you

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Speaker 1: think would create a difference. No, their program they're insanity.

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Speaker 1: Their desire to study transgender hookers in Vietnam or whatever's

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Speaker 1: going on. No, no, no, don't even send me an email.

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Speaker 1: Don't even send me an email, because you know, if

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Speaker 1: I start walking through the list of the insane things

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Speaker 1: that we fund and that we study.

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Speaker 2: There is something similar to that on the list. We

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Speaker 2: all know it. We don't have to question it. Can

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Speaker 2: move on. Why don't we go down to.

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach and bring these people back who you can

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Speaker 1: bring back home?

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Speaker 2: Cafe KitKat, I call her KitKat.

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Speaker 1: I don't really New York's not home anymore. I was

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Speaker 1: born in Brooklyn and I grew up in New Jersey. Now,

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Speaker 1: I was a baby when I left New York. I

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Speaker 1: was six weeks old and my older brother was two,

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Speaker 1: and my parents were lifelong New Yorkers. When my grandparents

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Speaker 1: came over from Poland, they settled in Brooklyn and they

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Speaker 1: built a family there.

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Speaker 2: And it was a big deal to leave New York

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Speaker 2: for New Jersey. It was a huge, huge deal to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of it was, you know, growing up

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Speaker 1: there were Jews in Brooklyn and you didn't go to

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. You went to Long Island, right, that was

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Speaker 1: the natural progression. Who in the world went to New

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Speaker 1: Jersey at the cows.

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Speaker 2: As I remember, it was before the whole place was

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Speaker 2: built up. It was it was a it was a big,

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Speaker 2: big deal.

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Speaker 1: But New York was was the center of of our lives.

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Speaker 2: You know, you didn't go to New York. You went

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Speaker 2: to the city. That was the city. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was always that terminology, and my father worked there,

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Speaker 1: and and and and the experience is there, and and

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Speaker 1: my experiences and.

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Speaker 2: And and always having that and and in the background

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a big It was always great, but it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal. It was, well, that's where you go,

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Speaker 1: that's what you do. It was standard, standard operating, fair

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Speaker 1: to do those kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Would I go back? Now? There is a radio.

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Speaker 1: Conference taking place in New York in June, and I

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Speaker 1: am debating every which way whether I want to go.

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Speaker 1: Would I feel safe in Zora, Mom, Donnie's New York.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same, nothing's the same. And if I go,

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Speaker 1: if I do go to this conference, which might be

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Speaker 1: good for the business, exactly how much time am I

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Speaker 1: going to spend thirty six hours? Tops I know the

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Speaker 1: couple of restaurants I want to go to, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I have enough time for that.

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Speaker 2: How little time do I have to spend.

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Speaker 1: In New York in my life? Did I ever think

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Speaker 1: that I'd be thinking this? And that is just from

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Speaker 1: a safety and security standpoint. Now, could you imagine living

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Speaker 1: there with the suppression of taxes and regulation upon you

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Speaker 1: and a governor who said, get out if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to give us your money, you're not real New Yorkers.

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Speaker 1: New York isn't home anymore. It's not it's not home.

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Speaker 1: It is far from being home for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: myself included. So I don't know what she's saying about

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Speaker 1: bringing people back home. But she goes on, this isn't

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Speaker 1: an event at that was put on by Politico.

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Speaker 7: So I philosophically don't have a problem. It is like

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Speaker 7: I have to look at the fact that we are

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Speaker 7: in competition with other states who have less of a

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Speaker 7: tax burden on their corporations and their individuals. And I

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Speaker 7: would say remote work changed everything. There were people who

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Speaker 7: could only work in an office in Manhattan and work

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Speaker 7: in New York State, and they were captives to our state.

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Speaker 2: They were going to state. We saw that that's not

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Speaker 2: the case.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know Wall Street businesses looking at Texas.

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Speaker 7: They're not going there because they have a nicer governor.

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Speaker 7: I know that for sure, but they're going there because

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Speaker 7: of the tax rate.

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Speaker 1: We no, no, no, they might be going because they

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Speaker 1: have a nicer governor.

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Speaker 2: But what a line.

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Speaker 1: And they were captives to our state? Is that how

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Speaker 1: progressive governors see us captives to the state?

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Speaker 2: And how dare they escape?

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Speaker 1: How dare they not live their lives as the captives

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Speaker 1: we have decided they are and doing what we tell

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Speaker 1: them our captives? Holy cow, the never minds her statement

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty two. This from twenty twenty six is worse.

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Speaker 1: It's much, much, much worse because in this right, in

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Speaker 1: the first statement, she was just venting about how much

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Speaker 1: she hates you. She was getting a raw raw from

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Speaker 1: the crowd. And okay, it was pure politics. This is

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Speaker 1: a cool, calm, collected conversation. And four years later, she

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Speaker 1: still hates the people she governs. She only likes the

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Speaker 1: fact that she gets to decide their future. She hates

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Speaker 1: the people she is supposed to represent and wants them

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Speaker 1: to be captives and laments the fact that they are not.

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Speaker 1: And instead of changing policies and changing theories and changing

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Speaker 1: practices and reducing regulations and changing tax burdens, instead of

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Speaker 1: saying the people have spoken and I should listen, she

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Speaker 1: goes about and says, how can I make them captives again?

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Speaker 2: How can I convince them?

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Speaker 1: How can I go about having this rule over them

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Speaker 1: where they can't leave?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I ask you anybody coming back for that? Anybody clamoring

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Speaker 1: to return to New York for that? Anybody want to

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Speaker 1: go back to the abusive X. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a couple of guys out there with a safe word.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not opposed to a good safe word. Mine

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Speaker 1: is guacamole. I'm saying, nobody wants this, and she hasn't

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Speaker 1: learned a thing, but she's told you a lot about

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Speaker 1: her seething anger over the last four years. I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Kats Today. Don't forget to move to

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Speaker 1: Indiana or the Midwest. I'm just saying it's pretty cool here.

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Speaker 1: More radio show coming up. Stay there. So my NCAA

586
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Speaker 1: bracket is set. I have no idea what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: none whatsoever. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, Good to be

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Speaker 1: with you. My final four, Like I do have some upsets.

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Speaker 1: I think Saint Louis with Kreem Abdul Jabbar, Robbie Avola,

590
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Speaker 1: who used to play at Indiana State and then went

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Speaker 1: to Saint Louis University.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to take that team to the

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Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I really truly do. I think I've got the uposet

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Speaker 1: against Michigan. Yeah, I know, what do I know?

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Speaker 2: What do I know?

597
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Speaker 1: But I've done the math that I've crunched the numbers,

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Speaker 1: and my final four is Duke in Houston with Houston

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Speaker 1: coming out on top and then being the full on Homer,

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Speaker 1: Purdue and Iowa State with Purdue coming out on top.

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Speaker 1: And I've got Purdue winning the NC Double A, which

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Speaker 1: has actually taking place in my town, Indianapolis, Indiana. So

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Speaker 1: if you're in town for it, say hello, let me

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Speaker 1: know you're you're your bye, Well we'll we'll we'll.

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Speaker 2: Come, have a cigar and hang out. That's where I'm

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Speaker 2: putting it. I don't have any money on this. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm gonna have any money on this.

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Speaker 1: Just here, here's where I'm at, Purdue winning it all. No,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'm talking about, just on

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Speaker 1: this one subject, just saying it now. Find everything at

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Speaker 1: Tony Kats dot com tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, take care

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Speaker 1: Y