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Speaker 1: It's a review, not a regular live. So it's Captain

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Speaker 1: threefo twenty four seven. Here got the regular homes and

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Speaker 1: I got Jay Reds with us. We're doing jco to Falloff. Man,

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Speaker 1: how everybody feeling good?

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Speaker 2: Man? Good? Ready to get into this. I'm curious to

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Speaker 3: Man, it's a lot going on about this album, A

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Speaker 4: It's a polarizing album, it seems.

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Speaker 1: So Look, I'm gonna give y'all to nine to fifteen

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Speaker 1: because I already know how y'all J Cole fans be

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Speaker 1: nine to fifteen get the super chats in nine sixteen

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Speaker 1: is closed. You're saying superstickers, you're ge saying, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, but it ain't gonna be

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Speaker 1: answered after nine to sixteen. I'm telling you that now,

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Speaker 1: all right with I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to it.

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Speaker 1: It's nine oh two right now, so you got thirteen

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Speaker 1: minutes to sending your super chats that are in regards

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Speaker 1: to the j Cole fall law. All right, all that

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Speaker 1: being said, look, I'm gonna start this thing off. I

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Speaker 4: Employ it was a market employee.

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Speaker 1: And they did. And I start this thing by saying

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Speaker 2: You want to introduce who's on the panel?

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Speaker 1: Man, introduce yourself, my boy, let the people know.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so everybody, my name is Jay Red. I'm

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Speaker 5: the host of Redsvue YouTube dot com, slash at Redsvue.

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Speaker 5: You can catch me each and every week. Also, I'm

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Speaker 5: the co host of Who Gave You A Podcast? When

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Speaker 4: With my feeling overtime.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you said, I'm like, hey, I'm in the J

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Speaker 4: All right, I'll say this.

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Speaker 5: I think this is J Cole's best album. I think

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: The reason I'm saying that is because what did I

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Speaker 4: Oh where can go? I'm out, I'm out, I'm out listen.

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Speaker 5: This is the reason why I feel like people are,

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Speaker 5: this should have been called Fayetteville something, Fayeville, Farewell, whatever,

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Speaker 4: Everything marks the boxes for me on this album. Production.

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Speaker 5: I've always complained about J cole production. He had good production,

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Speaker 5: So if you listen to it from start to finish,

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Speaker 4: That's like that with everybody.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like the concepts that he had this

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Speaker 5: it's gonna sound, you know, fleshed out and redundant after

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Speaker 5: I've been given a flak. I wasn't feeling the Blizzard

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that this.

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Speaker 5: So when you put this out, this is a reflective,

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Speaker 4: So but I do think that this is his best

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Speaker 1: Work in my opinion, Jay Reds. So we're talking out

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Speaker 4: Hey what you know about that? Man? I'm from Mobile man.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, right right from around the corner from you.

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Speaker 5: So he used the the I forgot what you called

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Speaker 1: Wise, I think production wise, Kod is one of his

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Speaker 4: And then in that project I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah for me, man, it's not like I'm I

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Speaker 6: Because like I said, I don't I don't think this

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Speaker 6: kind of like what you were saying, Jay, Like it's

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Speaker 6: Think that hurt him here because people that that really

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Speaker 6: With the simple snipples he was dropping, the the rollout

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Speaker 2: I can appreciate the things that he was doing on here.

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Speaker 6: Like inspired, right, It's it's it's some really more, it's

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the fluff, right.

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Speaker 6: I feel like if he could have condesced this down,

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Speaker 6: why I wanted that energy. So it's like in my mind,

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Speaker 2: The to the ship. Who else we did?

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Speaker 6: We just somebody else that that did the same thing,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I definitely want to want to start.

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Speaker 6: Like even like the what's the the Carolina sample?

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Speaker 2: It was James Taylor the Carolina in my mind. The

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Speaker 6: I like how that started off the album and he

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Speaker 6: Safety, like Safety had a really nice, nice vibe to it.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a little controversy around that last verse

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Speaker 2: Run a train, say the word.

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Speaker 6: He said the word, but but he did say some

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, so it's just like you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacob can get away with that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, some people don't like it.

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Speaker 6: Man, But and and I kind of get it, you know,

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Speaker 6: But I get what he.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know if it's the right climate to

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Speaker 2: Weird title, weird title.

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Speaker 4: It is jamming, like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. But yeah, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 6: Uh, of course, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm not I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I'm with that.

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Speaker 1: He neither with you.

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Speaker 4: You don't like Future on the on the hook, though

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Speaker 4: I did. I thought Future was having a heart attack.

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Speaker 3: I was like, bro, if y'all don't, if y'all, if

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, he is wrong.

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Speaker 6: I think it was legacy. Was it legacy where it's

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Speaker 6: I was just like, whoa, I see now, I see

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Speaker 2: I do like the Olds. So he brought Pete Pablo

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, he did some he did some cool stuff

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Speaker 6: some some cool lines. I did feel like he was

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Speaker 6: I know, Jay, you were saying that, you know, he

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Speaker 6: even talking about the what If song. It was on

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Speaker 6: while I so I get what you're saying when it

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Speaker 1: I know you like like I mean, like I authentically

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Speaker 2: You think?

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Speaker 5: But see what y'are saying with the Game, like the

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Speaker 5: Game puts good bodies of work. He wraps like other

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Speaker 6: M He came out the gate like that, so we

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Speaker 6: But some people don't like like that because he came

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Speaker 6: he didn't shoy away from that and set that president

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Speaker 6: very early.

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Speaker 4: He said that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but like I think that with J Cole, just

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Speaker 5: me personally, like with the flows that he did, it

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Speaker 5: I think that he did a perfect blend of these samples.

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Speaker 5: and I can't get.

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Speaker 4: Over that time.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, because I was trying to see where he

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I wouldn't want to run a train through

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Speaker 5: No, I think that because I you know, and I

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Speaker 4: I just think that he delivered with it. But you know,

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Speaker 4: J Red.

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Speaker 3: Bruh, I think you're absolutely insane. This is his best album,

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Speaker 3: best produced. Maybe I could probably maybe uh album of

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Speaker 3: all time. That's that's that's that's high. That's high. You're

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Speaker 3: J cole fan. Huh definitely yeah, stand or fan?

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Speaker 4: Uh fan. I ain't gonna say stand stand. I'm not

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Speaker 4: a stand of nobody, so I'm well cool, I respect that,

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Speaker 4: but I'm glad you're on the show. I'm glad you're

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Speaker 3: I think as much needed because people thought we were

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Speaker 3: gonna bash the album. I want to get the good

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Speaker 3: out the way. First of all, congrats J Cole on

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Speaker 3: the album sales. That's really tough to do in today's world,

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Speaker 3: in this climate. Your fans showed up for you. They

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Speaker 3: own this program right now. Congrats are selling. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it was beforrener krongrats going to old school popping

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Speaker 4: I thought that that was dope. Did you get one?

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Speaker 1: J Red?

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Speaker 4: Did you meet him? Did you find him?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, man, he was out.

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Speaker 5: He came through Atlanta, he was at the Dungeon man

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Speaker 5: and then after party ain.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay. I thought the rapping was good. I

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Speaker 3: thought the rapping was good. I thought the storytelling was good.

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Speaker 3: This is J Cole. He I don't know if he

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Speaker 3: could wrap poorly. I think so. I think he was

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Speaker 3: sure that this was his best album, his best body

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Speaker 3: of work. According to j Redd, he accomplished that. I

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Speaker 3: think this is Cole's back. This is what he does.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing the word safe thrown out a lot about him,

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Speaker 3: and I think that for his fans, j Cole did

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Speaker 3: not miss and did not disappoint at all. Some of

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Speaker 3: them world missed, but I think over time they kind

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Speaker 3: of came around. I think conceptually, I think the concept

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Speaker 3: a double album.

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Speaker 4: What do we expect, right, you know it's a double album.

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Speaker 3: We're going to like, you're gonna expect more than one

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Speaker 3: hour for the most part.

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Speaker 4: So it's just a two hours of J Cole Like

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00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 4: that's a lot.

439
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: And the thing about it is that, huh like Okay,

440
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 3: So I remember when I first listened to this, I

441
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: was like, there's no way this is the album. I

442
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: refuse to believe this is the real album. I was like,

443
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: J Cole is playing with us. We heard the Blizzard Joint.

444
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: We've heard far greater stuff on other albums than this.

445
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: Albums that I liked. You didn't like as much off Season,

446
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 3: kod etcetera, etcetera. So when you said you didn't like

447
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: kod as much I understood. And the other thing is

448
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: when it got the quick Stop and that second disc, Bro,

449
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: I was like, this.

450
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 4: Dude gotta be trolling us.

451
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 3: Quick Stop perfectly captured exactly how I felt about this

452
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: album with him singing and doing all the other stuff.

453
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: Because he had started doing the singing stuff, I think

454
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: okay and d so he had started exploring with that stuff,

455
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.

456
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, what in the hell is going on?

457
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: And I listened to do some more and I listen

458
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: to some more, and over time I started to really

459
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: process and think about what is exactly happening here. And

460
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: it's really about expectations and unfair expectations that j Cole

461
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: may have presented to us, or that we may have

462
00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 3: assumed going into the project based on what happened with

463
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: the Black Album. The Black Album set a high bar

464
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: for a lot of people when it comes to your

465
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: last album. And again, you know, I'm riding. People don't

466
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: know my stance on the Black Album. I don't think

467
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 3: the Black Album is all day as high as a

468
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: classic as people make it out to be. Why damn sure,

469
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna think this shit ain't ain't gonna hit

470
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: tomor either. But I think when then the confounds of

471
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: what Jay Cole does, this is a J Cole album.

472
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: I think Safety, the title of Safety, hits the mark.

473
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: I think he's definitely a little bit better because he's

474
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: more seasoned.

475
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: Of course, over time, you know, he's been in the game.

476
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: So I think in terms of delivering on his last album, conceptually,

477
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: I think he did that.

478
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 4: I think he knocked it out the park. And I

479
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 4: think this is.

480
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: Really a good conclusion, a good wrap up to his career.

481
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: You look at the come up and the fall off

482
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: there the book ends of what he's done. And I

483
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: don't think it's Cole's fault that when we put this

484
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: album on, we thought we were going to get like

485
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: some blazing heat. We are the blizzard and and I

486
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: don't want to bring the beef in. But I also

487
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: was thinking did he kind of pivot a little bit

488
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: from what he was going to do or not?

489
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: He said he did.

490
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Here's why I was wondering that because I took

491
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: the liberty put myself. I want to make sure I

492
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: completely understood. After I listened to this shit the first time,

493
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: I was like, what in the hell is this. I

494
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 3: went back and I listed all of J Cole's shit,

495
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: from starting with the come Up, his first midstape, all

496
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: the way to the fall Off, because I wanted to

497
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: get the full picture, and it was on the off season.

498
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: I think, no, not off season, KOD. I know you

499
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: remember this jail rhet, remember that track you put at

500
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: the end of that fucking album intro, and he said

501
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: this was off the fall off. This is also why

502
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: it's not entirely our fault. J Cole set us up,

503
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: because that J Cole at that time with KOD off season,

504
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: the Revenge of the Dreamers, that was a different J

505
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: Cole that we had come to new He was inspired.

506
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: He went back to what the first the Booring Center

507
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: and all that. He went back to that.

508
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: So hearing you say that he pivoted from that makes

509
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 3: sense because he set us up with He's gonna give

510
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: us some.

511
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: Heat, and he didn't give us heat. He gave us an.

512
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: Ending and people did not really want that. So I

513
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: think when you really zoom out and really analyze this

514
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: album from what it is, we can call it, man,

515
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: we can call it whatever. I think this is really.

516
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: I think it really captures the perfect ending to j

517
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: Cole's career in terms of making new music, and in

518
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: that regard, I can't fault him for it, but I

519
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: would never listen to this again.

520
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: But I got some joints off of it.

521
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: But it was really top heavy for me, like the

522
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: first the first half of it, like two six safety.

523
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: I know, I clown Future.

524
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: Earlier, but after a couple of more runs, I ain't

525
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: hey that hook started to kind of they started to

526
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: win me over.

527
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: Run the train bore thing.

528
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: Bunts wrote blues and who the fuck is You, which

529
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 3: is what I was asking myself about this album, And

530
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: then after that it wasn't a lot like the second

531
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 3: half to thirty nine intro that second beat change, when

532
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: the beat change fucks with that heavy that first part,

533
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on?

534
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: Jacob?

535
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: And then you get some of the rapping, and there's

536
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: all the singing and all this other shit that wasn't

537
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: all that great. And then I think I got also

538
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: start here on the second disc, the thirty nine disc,

539
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: man up and.

540
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: I love her again, you know, but it's.

541
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't good after that, Like I was just like,

542
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on?

543
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: So I got what what's that?

544
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: What?

545
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: One, two, three for what? Seven out of have remedies

546
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: on here?

547
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: It's like twenty four or something like that on here.

548
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know it's not a passing grade,

549
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: but you got some answers right on the test.

550
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely got more than seven.

551
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 6: Like, but I'm with you on the top heavy though,

552
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 6: Like it was, some of those later songs were a

553
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 6: little a little slow for me, Like because I can

554
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 6: respect life sentence and in the thought behind that song,

555
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 6: but I just don't like it as a song.

556
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Like I like what he was, like what he was

557
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: rapping about.

558
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: You don't like the red.

559
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. The hook is fine, but I'm

560
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: just saying in his totality, I don't like the song.

561
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 6: Like it's not like I'm gonna go back. Oh man,

562
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 6: I gotta listen to this.

563
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: Life sentate song.

564
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 6: Wow, you know what I'm saying. Like, it's just I

565
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 6: like what he was saying, but I don't know, and

566
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 6: I know he was just like, Yo, this is one

567
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 6: of the really songs, wrote Bro.

568
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: When he said that, Rod, I was like, what in

569
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: the hell are you? There's no way you you really

570
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: believe this?

571
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 4: Right now? There's no way you really believe this right?

572
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: That crazy?

573
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 5: But he did mention uh in one of because he

574
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: was started writing these letters explaining everything, and he said

575
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: he something about the Kendrick. That situation kind of steered

576
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 5: this album in a different direction. And that's the reason

577
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 5: because what I said earlier, y'all pretty much saying what

578
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 5: I said earlier, y'all were expecting to hear on Fire

579
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: NBA jam J Cole.

580
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: You were expecting him to kill these rappers all there.

581
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: He can't do that.

582
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: If he would have did that, then people wouldn't have

583
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: been able to take him serious. Some people may have,

584
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: but he was getting a lot of flack from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

585
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 5: he ain't no way he could have after that apology.

586
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: There's no way he could have.

587
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 6: You know, you know what, that's not even what I

588
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, go ahead with people, No, no, no, go ahead.

589
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 6: That's not even like what I necessarily wanted. I didn't

590
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 6: want him to say I'm the best rapperlive this, that

591
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 6: and the third. I wasn't on that train. I just

592
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 6: wanted him to make bangers like like who.

593
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: The fuck is you? Like?

594
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 6: I just wanted him to make I just wanted him

595
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 6: to kind of like what I what I what.

596
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: I wish Drake would do.

597
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 6: Just make a bunch of hit songs and not even

598
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 6: worry about the beef or whatever. Right, get back to

599
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 6: just making your hit records. I kind of just wanted

600
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: him to show like, this is why I'm the best

601
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 6: at this thing and at this thing or whatever. But

602
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 6: I don't feel like I got that here, Like I don't.

603
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 6: I don't feel like I got the best of Jay Cole.

604
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: I know you said it's his best record, but it

605
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 6: don't feel like that to me. I feel like it

606
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 6: got better than this. I don't know, I feel like

607
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 6: said no.

608
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: No, no, no, Just so okay, hold on, people real quick.

609
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: Going back listening to J Cole from the beginning. J

610
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: Cole peaked early and he rob him tell you it

611
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: hit me.

612
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit.

613
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: By the time he got to Friday Night Lights, he peaked,

614
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: so his ceiling was low. He wasn't really going to

615
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: get any better than what he like, He's gonna get

616
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: more seasoned, that old man game, like we're going to

617
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: go with the basketball reference, Well, he's just gonna be

618
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: really really good at what he's doing.

619
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: But that was about it Now, that was a.

620
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: Really really good version of j Cole that he really

621
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: made a good career off of. And he started to

622
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: kind of add different elements to his game right around

623
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 3: kod offseason, et cetera, et cetera. But but you know,

624
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: at some point the aleticism, you know, he kind of

625
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: lost it.

626
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Nah. And this is where I disagree with you. I

627
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: agree with your overall statement. Can he may have peaked early,

628
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: but he gives us glimpses of the crazy rapper that

629
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: he is, and that's what we want more Like That's

630
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: why I agree with Rod and and and the example

631
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use is Clouds, Like he just dropped Clouds

632
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: not that long ago. That shows the beast that he is.

633
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Did he talk about the beef a little bit, Yeah,

635
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: that he still mentioned that, you know, he's the you know,

636
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: one of the best to do of course, But at

637
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I've said, you know,

638
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: like when you play an arenas where you're gonna get

639
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: judged by the media, by the masses, you have to

640
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: have a certain level of confidence. And and that's why

641
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I was cool with the EP. I was cool with

642
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: him because because he brought it like you brought it. Yeah,

643
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: you said some of these things, and I'm like, I

644
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: don't want you to say it no more. But nigga,

645
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you said it with heart. Yeah you know what I'm saying.

646
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Like on the EP, you said it with heart. On Clouds,

647
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: you showed that. Like, Bro, you like one of the

648
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: best lyricists ever, not just of your generations.

649
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: Like like his discography, Bro, this is this is damn.

650
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I understand album ken and I don't disagree. And that's

651
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: why I said it was men and and I fuck

652
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: with it because I don't think it's a bad album.

653
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: It's definitely a J Cole album and J Reds. Look,

654
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: I know you're probably gonna hate this, but I had to.

655
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: I told this to a friend, right, Like, I'm not

656
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: saying that this particular artist is a better rapper. Right,

657
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: But if we're looking at discography, Freddie gives discography washes

658
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: J Cole as a discography.

659
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you, I told I'm not.

660
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: I don't think J cole albums as a whole have

661
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 5: a lot of.

662
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: Good replay value. His mixtapes do.

663
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: But when I first heard Cold World Sideline Story, I

664
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 5: was disappointed because it felt like half the album we

665
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: heard already like that in the morning. Some of those

666
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 5: tracks we had lights please you know what I'm saying,

667
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 5: Like that Born Center. I was excited when I first

668
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: heard it, and I never went like the duration. That's

669
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: when we had CDs and shit, right, So then after

670
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: like I stopped listening to it, I never went back

671
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: to it. And this just kept happening until when Forest

672
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: Hill Drive came out. That was the first J Cole album.

673
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: I said, this is what I was waiting for, and

674
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: I'm talking about from Friday Night Lights because I was

675
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 5: real hype. I was let down by the first two albums.

676
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 5: When I heard Forest Hill Drop, I said, that's the

677
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: one I wanted. Then he drops that damn four yards

678
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 5: only and I was like okay.

679
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: And then kod was cool for the moment.

680
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: It was like Michael waveable to me, and then Off

681
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 5: Season Drop cool for the moment to me, and then

682
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, well maybe he did reach his speak

683
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: because I agree with you Ken like, I felt like, Okay,

684
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: now he's going into this different direction and he's appealing

685
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: to the youth more.

686
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: He's doing these young thub flows.

687
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 5: He's not giving me the J Cole that I grew

688
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: was growing up listening to. So with this project, J

689
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: Cole got real big off of two things. Introspective storytelling

690
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: tracks like with Lights Please That's why jay Z signed them, right,

691
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: storytelling and then the I'm better than you niggas like

692
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: That's what I got from him as an MC. So

693
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: if you take away that I'm better than you nigga

694
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: shit because you backed out of a battle, the only

695
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: thing I'm looking for is LiF's.

696
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: Please at this point. And if you said you.

697
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: Like Clouds, I felt like he had songs like Clouds

698
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 5: on this one. As far as like the melodies, the

699
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 5: hooks that he was doing, I felt like artistically he

700
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: delivered but didn't deliver. If you're talking about this fall off,

701
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 5: which I was expecting some NBA jam type of shit,

702
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 5: but I couldn't have taken it serious if he was

703
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: on that that flyboy I'm the shit type of shit.

704
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: Nobody.

705
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 4: What's somebody would have what.

706
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: I rap himself versus Clouds, Like like what what song

707
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: on here did he rap better than he did on Clouds?

708
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say rap better, but the same feeling

709
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: that I had, the same feeling.

710
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: That's my point though, right, because because see, like the

711
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: like with j Coy is like he always gives you

712
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: these moments and it's like, oh, okay back, So it's

713
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: like he sets the expectation and then does and meet

714
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: up to it when the body of work drops.

715
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: But it was like all of them was equal to

716
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 5: me though, Like I think that with these, with that

717
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 5: particular song, Clouds, Clouds was a dope song.

718
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: I felt like with the melodies and stuff.

719
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 5: I got that on a lot of these tracks and

720
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 5: the lyricism that he had. Now, most of these were

721
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: storytelling tracks. You know what I'm saying that that can

722
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: take away from this, Yeah, it puts you in a box, right,

723
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: But what I got from it was a vibe. I

724
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 5: got a lot of vibey tracks. Even if I'm not

725
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: even listening to the story. Sometimes music just catches me

726
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 5: by the production, by the delivery, by the sound of

727
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 5: your voice, the inflictions and all that other stuff. So

728
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 5: that's what I got from this project versus off Season.

729
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 5: It was kind of like that, But it felt like

730
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: he was trying to be too much like the New

731
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: Atlanta that was going on right now.

732
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: So I felt disconnected from it.

733
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: To me, you don't like thirty nine Trophy fall. It

734
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: was hard he was rapping on that one. Yeah, no,

735
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: it was hard.

736
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: Bro.

737
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he didn't have moments. Don't twist, don't

738
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: do the media ship to be ken. I said what

739
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I said. I said he got joints on here. I'm

740
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: just saying. I'm just saying as a body of work,

741
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: and that's why I said, like, if he shortened this,

742
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: like it didn't need to be to this, you know,

743
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: we didn't need twenty four songs from J cole Right,

744
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: if we're talking as a body of work, I think

745
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: I think when we're talking about what he set out

746
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: to accomplish, I get why he did what he did.

747
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: I don't fault them in trying to execute the game

748
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: plan that he had. I'm just saying that I don't

749
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: think that the execution was there and I don't think

750
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: like you said, kid like and also Jay Reds, like

751
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: when we got to the second hour, was.

752
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: Like, okay, it's a lot of J cole Bro Like, I.

753
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: Like, I don't I don't need this much. I don't

754
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: need this much. And I also agree with J Reds.

755
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the strongest points that

756
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: anybody has made. The storytelling aspect of this boxed the

757
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: men to a degree. And I think that that was

758
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: a safe play because he had to pivot from what

759
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: this album was supposed to be facts. That's unfortunate and

760
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: that and that's and that's the letdown for me that

761
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: because it's not it's it wasn't supposed to be this.

762
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: Right, But it sounded like at that time he was

763
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: going to continue the Ko the kod off season trend.

764
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: That he was on.

765
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: Jay Red may not have liked that as much as

766
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: he likes this one, because that's he's not as much

767
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: of a fan. Oh well, I'll ask her you as

768
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: much of a fan of that version that they called.

769
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, definitely not yeah yeah yeah.

770
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: So hey, did you like to let out?

771
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: No?

772
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I figured, I like, I like, I like the story.

773
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: I like the story of the letter. It grew on me,

774
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: it grew.

775
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 5: I mean when I first heard it, it was strange

776
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: because I was like, Okay, where is he going with it?

777
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: But the overall sound with it, you know, like there's

778
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: no way, bro. I like, look, okay, do.

779
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: You mean it like every song? Kid?

780
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: Not not every single song like I could have did without.

781
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: But let me ask you this four years only, who

782
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: liked that project I did? For who the bells uh from?

783
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: Or whatever the hell that is? Did you like She's Mine?

784
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 5: Did y'all like those tracks?

785
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Okay?

786
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: I'm just making sure, all right, I make because closes

787
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: on there too, right, yeah, Pholom closes, Yeah.

788
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuld clothes on that. But that ship jammed though.

789
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: We're talking about what if? Bro what what? What?

790
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: J Red explained to me? What was he doing with

791
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: the Biggie POC song?

792
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just how I think some people are

793
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: looking at it a little too deep, you know. I

794
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: think that all he did was tell a story, which

795
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: I think, you know what, if that track would have

796
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 5: just been on one disc, I don't think it would

797
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 5: have been getting that much flat. I think that by

798
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: the time you get to that, like and this is

799
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: if you're listening to the shit in order, by the

800
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: time you get to what if, you like all right.

801
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: J Cole, Okay, I get it, Like, what are you doing?

802
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 5: I think that's the problem people are having with this too,

803
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 5: because it's so much storytelling. Like my favorite double albums,

804
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: All Eyes on Me, Life After Death like those discs,

805
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: and we just did an episode talking about that, like

806
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 5: this one versus this two. Even though it's the same artists,

807
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 5: it's not all that damn storytelling, So you're not feeling

808
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: like you have to tap in and just really really

809
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 5: listen just the whole time. So by the time you

810
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 5: get to what If, You're gonna be like, god, damn,

811
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: what the hell is this?

812
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: But I mean, I got it.

813
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 6: It just felt forced. It don't seem like it's his

814
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 6: place to do that song. So it's just like, Okay,

815
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: why is Jake Cole doing this song? It just seemed

816
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 6: like somebody else should be doing that, not Jake Cole.

817
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: So while it was.

818
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 6: It was I get what he was doing, it just

819
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 6: didn't connect because it's like, where is the connection to big,

820
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 6: where's the connection.

821
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: To Park Cool?

822
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 6: You want to rap like park sometimes that's not enough

823
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 6: connection for me, Like and it's absolutely no, and then

824
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 6: you still sound a lot like yourself.

825
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: It's like you're not even it's not even like he

826
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: had a little bit off on the Park on the

827
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: pop part, but he just basically just I don't know,

828
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: it was just lackluster than me. I think that's probably

829
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: where people have a problem with it. It was just

830
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: it just wasn't his thing to do. That's how I felt.

831
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: I felt like it just wasn't his thing to do.

832
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: Like what you think he should have used AI?

833
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: No, they have definitely that.

834
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Definitely not That would have been super whack.

835
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: He would have got the Drake.

836
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 6: Drake already did that. Yeah, and we saw how that went.

837
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 6: He took that off the offline. But so and that's

838
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: another thing. Drake already did something similar to that. So

839
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 6: why would you do something like that, Like, I don't know, man.

840
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: Drake, that was Drake did that to dis somebody though.

841
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 5: This was just an introspective type of track, Like to me,

842
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 5: it looked like a movie, like like a script that

843
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 5: he wrote.

844
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: And then I get displayed.

845
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 5: How you know how versatile he is because he wrote

846
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 5: a whole verse sounding like I mean, he didn't sound

847
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 5: just like pot But I mean, you know, that's a

848
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: tough job to do, man, trying to write like Biggie

849
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 5: and write.

850
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: Like pop again, Why why are you doing it?

851
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: Who else you do it?

852
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: It's Jacob bro there's a rapper that would do it.

853
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: It would be him.

854
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: It don't make sense for me. It just did not.

855
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 6: I did not understand why he was doing it.

856
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: It didn't bother me all that much. Ship it did

857
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: me can Yeah, superstrang soft in my old age.

858
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: Bro. Yeah, I think so because that ship was that

859
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 2: ship was not it can.

860
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't bother me. Like I feel like it's

861
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: in line with J Cole because Ja Cole is such

862
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: a historian. J co is such a hip hop lover

863
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: Ja Cole, you know. And again I feel like, you know,

864
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: this album is just showing his love for hip hop,

865
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Biggie Pop, all of the interpolations,

866
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: all of the samples, Benny the Butcher, you know. Like

867
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: like his love for hip hop is a parent here,

868
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: which I love. Like I like the sentiment here. But

869
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: it's just not the farewell album like like think about it, right,

870
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: like if everything else was burning, this was the last

871
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: thing that we was left with J Cole. Does this

872
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: adequately display J Cole's artistry?

873
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: Yes, I would say yes because I think I said

874
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 5: this too. I think he's at his best when he

875
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 5: reflects and talks about Fayeteville, like that's the whole reason

876
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 5: we got forest. He'll drive, He reflected on the time

877
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 5: he was back in Fayirville.

878
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: His story.

879
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: You know this thing now, they say your story, right,

880
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 5: Kendrick did it. And this is my opinion too. I

881
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 5: think this is his version of Good Kid Mad City,

882
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 5: not saying that this is just like it, but telling

883
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 5: a story. He's talking about the troubles and all this

884
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: other shit that he went through and him being this

885
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 5: college kid coming back to all the street. I'm like,

886
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: goddamn of the veil feels like one of the biggest

887
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: hoods in America the way he's painting this picture.

888
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: But let me but let me ask this.

889
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: Everybody got everybody's shooting everybody.

890
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask this, right, Like, and I think I

891
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: think I think the stark difference right in terms of

892
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: being able to bring somebody into your world. Right, I'm

893
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: glad you brought a good Kid Mad City. Why because

894
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: because like with Good Kid Mas City, that's the difference

895
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: between like Kado and j Cole is that anybody that

896
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: grew up in any type of urban environment understood and

897
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: could place themselves. And every story that k Doc gave you,

898
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: from beginning to end with Lorraine to driving around with

899
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: the homies to doing you know, a hood, rad shit

900
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: with my best friends. Like everybody that grew up in

901
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: an urban environment relates to that. I don't. I don't.

902
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: I can't picture myself in the stories that Jay Cole

903
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: told here. That's that.

904
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 4: I see what you're about to say.

905
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 5: Okay, like just being a rapper who made it coming

906
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 5: back to the hometown.

907
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: Like that's cool, But it's like it like that doesn't

908
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: grab you, Like like like the stories here don't rab

909
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: you and put you in first person perspective, right, And

910
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jay Cole hasn't done that. I

911
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: just don't feel that here, you know what I'm saying,

912
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: like like and and and that's why I said I'm

913
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: glad he brought a good king mass City because I

914
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: felt that with that I could play that album today

915
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: and his age gracefully. And I still feel everything that

916
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Kate Out was saying on that this to Kent to

917
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Ken and you know, we'll get into the grade stuff,

918
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: but like this has low replay value for me, you

919
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like good kid has high replay,

920
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Like you could always play money Trees don't kill my vibe,

921
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like there's joints there. And

922
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they ain't no joints here because

923
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: they ain't too sick. Hey, bro, that's your hardest fuck,

924
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: Like like he got some hard joints here. So I

925
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: don't want to make it seem like I'm I just

926
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: don't like nothing on here. No, he gave me moments.

927
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: But again it being the how, the length of time

928
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: that it is, the boxing himself into making these all

929
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: of these stories just like I don't know, bro, Like

930
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: it's there's that connection, isn't there?

931
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 5: So you kicking it with a girl that you wanted

932
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 5: to holler at, never got a chance to you the

933
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: man you coming back? You know you ain't never relate

934
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: to that or just coming back and shit's happening. Somebody died,

935
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 5: you know, you got married like life sentence, And I

936
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: could say because I just got married, Like it's a

937
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 5: lot of different stuff that I definitely related to on here. Now,

938
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 5: I've never been a big time rap star coming back home,

939
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: but coming back home and checking out your environment, this happened.

940
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: That happened in the third you know what I'm saying.

941
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 5: I felt like this was just as relatable as Good Kid,

942
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 5: Mad City, Like I pictured myself with Kendrick. I pictured

943
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: myself with j Cole because I've been twenty nine before,

944
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, hadn't been thirty nine yet,

945
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 5: but I'm coming close to it. So I put myself

946
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: in the shoes. I think it's relatable.

947
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of relatable songs over here. That's

948
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: why his fans love him.

949
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

950
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 6: Is a good artist. Man, He's a good artist at

951
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 6: the end of the day. So it's hard to hate him,

952
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, because he is man. He

953
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 6: really is a good artist.

954
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: Contrary expectation, Yeah, yeah, versus reality, you know.

955
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: But let's let's get to these grades so we can

956
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: get to these uh these super chats. So again, appreciate

957
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: everybody for sending those in. We're gonna start off with

958
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: the flow. We'll just go around the room. I gotta

959
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: be plus for flow.

960
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: Give me a solid B for the flow. It's okay,

961
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 2: it's okay.

962
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 4: I got for the flow. That's okay. Now I gotta

963
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 4: be I gotta be f flow. I can't wait.

964
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: Lyrics. I'm at a B plus.

965
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 6: Same saying B plus B plus for the lygs. I

966
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 6: probably could have went A minus. I think his lyrics

967
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 6: are pretty pretty poignant.

968
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

969
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 6: But it's just something some of the some of the

970
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 6: songs just didn't hit lyric wise, So that's why I.

971
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: Gave it a B plus.

972
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: Likewise, I give it a Uh.

973
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: You gave it Ja. I didn't hear you, he said.

974
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: He said it softly. You can hear it, so you can't. Yeah,

975
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 4: I said B plus.

976
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I did not hear you at all. Yeah. Production,

977
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm at a solid B. I feel like I could

978
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: possibly go be plus, but I feel more comfortable going B.

979
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm comfortable at B minus.

980
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 6: Like I think I know ja Ja said, you know,

981
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 6: he liked the production, but I wasn't crazy about all

982
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 6: of the production on here.

983
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: M hmm.

984
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 5: I'm at a B now, I said, I like that.

985
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 5: I said, this is the best. Oh okay, don't get

986
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 5: it twisted. So yeah, I like the production. Have I

987
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 5: heard better production, yes, But for him, I think it's

988
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 5: a b.

989
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: Okay dang grading J Cole on a J Cole curve,

990
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm at a C plus.

991
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: I think this was definitely part of the issue for me. Definitely.

992
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: On the first listen, the beats and all this the singing,

993
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: I was just like, my God, turn this ship off.

994
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: But features, I'm at a B minus.

995
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: I'm at a B plus on the features I like.

996
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 6: I like the feature man, I like I like the features.

997
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: Did you like future? I can't remember.

998
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: I did, Like I said, I like the future. I

999
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: just didn't like that. The running the running train part

1000
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: was just cringey for me.

1001
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: God, you know, or what he did with it.

1002
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: Just I just didn't like the world running train.

1003
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 4: I just the World's run the train, man.

1004
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: I just every time he said, wow, that ship, I

1005
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: think that's gonna end up being a banger though.

1006
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why.

1007
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 5: On that, I just but I hate because I was

1008
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: singing it in the cars. I was like, damn, but

1009
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: but nah. I give the features a B plus because

1010
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, ain't nobody had a verse in nothing,

1011
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: But you know, for they served the purpose of what

1012
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: they were there for, I give it.

1013
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 2: A B plus.

1014
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to be honest. You know, he didn't

1015
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: have a rap feature. But Chacos really not that future

1016
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: sort of guy. I think he does all that with

1017
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 3: his little compilation or whatever, so be minus.

1018
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: But execution, I'm at a B minus. Bro I could

1019
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: go see plus tho, bro, that's the album. But I'm

1020
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm must stay have B minus man, I'm gonna

1021
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: stay be minus.

1022
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go a solid see On execution, that was

1023
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 6: my main issue here, I was I.

1024
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: Was in it for moments and taking out too.

1025
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 6: Many times throughout this album.

1026
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's why just the average on execution for me.

1027
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, execution for me is a B plus. I think

1028
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: the first disc in my opinion, didn't have any skips.

1029
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 5: Second disc is where it started to drift off, but

1030
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: it's still early for me.

1031
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: So yeah. So roseally, I'm at a B on execution.

1032
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: And I'm not waiting the sequency sequencing as heavy. I'm

1033
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: taking into consideration the concept as well, you know, breaking

1034
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 3: it up into two discs h ten year span between

1035
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: twenty nine and thirty nine, giving you those different perspectives,

1036
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 3: I think you ask you to well on that.

1037
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: That's interesting aspective replay value. This is the Lowers grade

1038
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: I gave him. It's a C.

1039
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. Same.

1040
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I'm only gonna play some songs off the here.

1041
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna play this album through and through.

1042
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: I can't.

1043
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just not gonna do it, So it's a

1044
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 6: CF replay value for me.

1045
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: It's an A for me. Baby, I will be playing

1046
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: this now.

1047
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying it right now, but I said this during

1048
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: Born Center too, and I didn't go back to it.

1049
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: So we'll see. But for right now, I'm gonna give

1050
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 4: it a A HM. Who love it? Man, love it? Man,

1051
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 4: And y'all remember that, that's never mind, that's that's.

1052
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: See see on replay value and yeah see because the

1053
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: second disc is it's rough. You know, first first twenty nine,

1054
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: I could run that. I can run that back without

1055
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: a lot of skips. The second one has a lot

1056
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: of skips on me, so I'm going to see.

1057
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: Overall, I met a C plus, man, I met a

1058
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: C plus because I felt that, you know, the replay

1059
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: value was low for me. However, this being his last album,

1060
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: the things that I took away from it was his

1061
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: love for hip hop, Like the biggest thing I took

1062
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: away was his love for him pop. So I'm at

1063
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: a C plus like like, I think that's the biggest

1064
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: thing that was conveyed here for me, his love for

1065
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: his city where he's putting on. But overall, I'm at

1066
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: a C plus and then what really drags it down

1067
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: is the replay value.

1068
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: I almost gave it a C plus, but I just couldn't,

1069
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: so I gave it a beating minus. I just don't.

1070
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: I just don't think Cole is a C plus artist

1071
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: in any regard.

1072
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 6: He's just not, even even though on his word, even

1073
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 6: on his worst day, I just don't think he's a

1074
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 6: C plus artist. And I don't think this is a

1075
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 6: C plus album. I just I had my personal gripes

1076
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 6: with it. So that's why I gave it a being minus.

1077
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna give it an a minus, not a

1078
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 5: solid A, because I do have to take some points

1079
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 5: away from it because you know, the second disc and

1080
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 5: like I said, for right now, it did start to

1081
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 5: kind of feel a little redundant, uh, you know, listening

1082
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 5: from point eight all the way to point b. But

1083
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 5: from and I think a lot of it has to

1084
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 5: do with what I was expecting from it versus what

1085
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: I got, because again I was let down when he

1086
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: backed out of the Kendrick.

1087
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 4: Battle and stuff like that.

1088
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 5: So so yeah, so I'm just give it a A minus.

1089
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: Hmmm. Okay, Rod, I think I think I might be

1090
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 4: with you in terms of.

1091
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: Just overall, I think overall, but I think I might

1092
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 3: be just as Mitch it higher. I think I might

1093
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: be out of be solid. Yeah, I think I'm probably

1094
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: at a solid B because I think really the only

1095
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: thing that the only thing really is just the the

1096
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: replay value, honestly. But for the most part, I think

1097
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: he hit the marks on the other on those other categories.

1098
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

1099
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: That's what's up. Well, right, look again, appreciate everybody sending

1100
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: it in the super chats, and that's what we about

1101
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: to get to. Now what to do?

1102
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: Kim uh as his eminem should take notes on how

1103
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: to retire properly.

1104
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 4: You know what I give it.

1105
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: I'll give J Cole that you can't say he he

1106
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: dropped the whac album, went out like ice Cube and

1107
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 3: some of his stuff, bro like you try to force

1108
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: them in retirement. Jake J Cole went out, you know,

1109
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: on his own, in the way he wanted to go out.

1110
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 4: So that's that's a good point.

1111
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: Donald Van being at this with J Cole's last album,

1112
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: When do you think is next one we'll be in

1113
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: five ten or when Drake and Kendrick hug Well we

1114
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: do have news on that we don't know when he

1115
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 3: didn't say when right about It's a Boy.

1116
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 5: No, he never did allegedly though, Uh it's a joint

1117
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 5: album with or mixtape with him and j I D.

1118
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: That's what somebody said today, So not true, you know what.

1119
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 3: And I agree to Rob in terms of the energy

1120
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: and because I think, yeah, I think they will be

1121
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: trying to kind of battle, you know, so I think

1122
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: they would be trying to outdo one another. So I

1123
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 3: think you'll you'll definitely probably get some more interesting track.

1124
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a Boy. But I saw he said

1125
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: on the A. M. A and Sonny Symptoms to us

1126
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: that as far as new songs, he's done with that.

1127
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: So most of the stuff you'll hear is just stuff

1128
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: that he's already recorded.

1129
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 6: He said, this is this is his last album on

1130
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 6: the on the on the record label or something like

1131
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 6: that right now.

1132
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Deal or something.

1133
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's out of his deal. He's been off a

1134
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: rock nation. I know that.

1135
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 5: But he said that, and he never gave the final word.

1136
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 5: He says, this is the intent. I made this album

1137
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 5: with the intentions to be my last.

1138
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he gave himself an doubt.

1139
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that intention was funny And I'm like okay, man, but.

1140
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: Hey, look what did Michael Jordan say?

1141
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: He was not a nine point nine percent retired, so

1142
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, uh, easy ninety five. J Cole will talk

1143
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 3: about the past and veiled nobody's rather than talk about

1144
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: what we want to.

1145
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: Hear him rapping over my favorite mob instrumentals.

1146
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: Pissed we didn't talk about that.

1147
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was cool, but it was like again,

1148
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was fine.

1149
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: It was fine. You know, that's where we are.

1150
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: Man, They're gonna sample tracks like that, so but I

1151
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: feel easy ninety.

1152
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 2: Five that wasn't simple. That was the damn beat.

1153
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, they get more greatious nowadays. Shout out to

1154
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 3: the Blacks Bugs, Bunny Terrence McClinton. This is an old

1155
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: to his hometown and great performances throughout absolutely all right

1156
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: current Yeah you said you agree with that.

1157
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was an old to his hometown and

1158
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 6: he has some great performances throughout. The whole thing wasn't great,

1159
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 6: but he did have some great performances in there.

1160
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 4: Gotcha. That is this current discard? Where does Cold rank

1161
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: all time? Current?

1162
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: Middle of the pack at best?

1163
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: This one.

1164
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: Just just his discography in terms of hip hop, His

1165
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: discography and hip hop, he's middle of the pack.

1166
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has that solid of a

1167
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: discography honestly.

1168
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: To even be middle of the pack.

1169
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, because like, does he.

1170
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: Jay what?

1171
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: What? Does he have any classic albums?

1172
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: To you? Forest Hill Drive?

1173
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: There's only one? Right? How many albums does he have?

1174
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: But but but he does he does have a classic

1175
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: mixtape too.

1176
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not talking about mixtape though.

1177
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: It's discography. Bro, Yes, the mixtape is in there. What

1178
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

1179
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 6: I don't remember that. I don't remember that rule. But

1180
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 6: I don't remember that rule. But okay, I don't discography.

1181
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: If it's classic, it's classic. It's a body of work.

1182
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: What and there's a body of ok so all time

1183
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: is is tough to ask because there are a lot

1184
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: of rappers.

1185
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 4: I think.

1186
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: Middle sounds sounds about right, but it's so many I

1187
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: have so many questions. Are we including like underground rappers?

1188
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: Are we like what are the categories right? Because I

1189
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: think when you take a lot of the old school

1190
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: rappers that were around with I was growing up, a

1191
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: lot of them put out some bad albums so that

1192
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: their discography as a whole would take a hit rappers

1193
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: nowadays are starting to put out more complete and consistent

1194
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: body of work and you kind of rank them within

1195
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: their own discography. So I think middle sounds safe and

1196
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: that sounds about right.

1197
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: For j co it sounds so. But here's my thing.

1198
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 6: My thing is like, even if it's even if it's

1199
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 6: discography isn't the best in the world, that I don't

1200
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 6: think that makes him like bad, right because it could

1201
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 6: make some of the you know what I'm saying, He

1202
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 6: could make some some of the better records out there,

1203
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 6: just because the discography ain't there.

1204
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: You know, it is what it is.

1205
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I think he's more so.

1206
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 5: Good for giving momental albums to me, you know what

1207
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like for that time, but they don't speak

1208
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 5: to your ribs like Kendricks does. I mean, I'm just

1209
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say somebody's better. I'm just saying, like,

1210
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 5: when it comes to albums, Kendrick.

1211
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah he makes better albums.

1212
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1213
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: J Cole was good at mixtapes, not so much albums.

1214
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 5: Kendrick is great at mixtapes. Drake is good at making playlists,

1215
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

1216
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: So it's that's how I kind of look at Ja Cole.

1217
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 4: Be careful, man, they'll get you. The Chack rob One

1218
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 4: album should be a war crime as is it me?

1219
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 4: Or is what if? Corny as hell? It's not just you,

1220
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 4: y'all gotta give y'all got a chill on what if? Man? God,

1221
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 4: he can't be creative.

1222
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: Ship it's not that creative. How it's it's pocket biggie.

1223
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 4: Okay, So he should he done Snoop and Shugar.

1224
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: And and who who? What?

1225
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1226
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if.

1227
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 4: You know what?

1228
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 5: What if he did listen to that? What if this

1229
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 5: nigga did Drake and Kendrick? How do y'all think.

1230
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: That that would be hilarious?

1231
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: Now? That would have been interesting. I think that would

1232
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: have been interesting. Packing Big just didn't make sense for me,

1233
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: and it didn't come off a little corny, like like who,

1234
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: I don't think Pak would have ever made that record,

1235
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 2: So why are we doing this? Pac would have never

1236
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: made that record, maybe Big possibly Pac would have never

1237
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: did that.

1238
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 4: But we do have that conversational. I think that is

1239
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 4: a hip hop thing.

1240
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: Man.

1241
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, pocket been made up? Man who knows blah blah

1242
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 4: blah blah blah.

1243
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: So you know, so I get him making that song,

1244
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 3: and maybe that was his way of like sending a

1245
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: message to Drake and Kendrick about what could happen if

1246
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: this thing went too far, you know, especially when you

1247
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 3: know Drake was and some of his goons were saying

1248
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: some of the things that they were saying and Ship.

1249
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 4: Even on kendrad side.

1250
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: So maybe that was him trying to get them to

1251
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, get things right.

1252
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1253
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: So I don't know who could have done that though

1254
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: where it wouldn't have been corny though, So we're talking

1255
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 3: about just the idea of the song or the person

1256
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 3: that made the song.

1257
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 5: Man, if Kendrick would have done it, I don't even

1258
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 5: think it would have been that bad.

1259
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: I don't think y'all would have been saying that.

1260
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: Was corny, probably not, probably would have been executed better.

1261
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, You're not wrong.

1262
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 5: So it's the person, Okay. The fact that J Cole

1263
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 5: did this ship is the problem. That's what That's what

1264
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 5: I'm getting.

1265
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 6: J Cole has no ties to neither one of them,

1266
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 6: at least at least pockets from Cali and has you

1267
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Like it's something J Cole has

1268
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 6: nothing to tie husself to that, nothing to tie usself.

1269
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: He's from North Carolina.

1270
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 3: And you did put out a whole song with him

1271
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: interviewing Tupac.

1272
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

1273
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 5: He's done this before with Mortal Man and going into that,

1274
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 5: nobody said the damn thing. But when Ja Cole, a

1275
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 5: hip hop fan, looks at Pokin Big, I didn't. It

1276
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 5: didn't bother me that much, man like really at all.

1277
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 5: I'm just like, okay, cool, But everybody's like, man no,

1278
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 5: Like maybe if the movie would have came out and

1279
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 5: he that would have been on the soundtrack, it wouldn't

1280
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: have been that bad.

1281
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, technically, Kendrick did do it. He

1282
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: did it on gn X.

1283
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: Oh with a mm hmm.

1284
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 5: What's the name of that song, damn reincarnated, Yeah, reincarnated, Yeah, Yeah.

1285
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: And it was dope. You heard the passion and you

1286
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: heard the the beat.

1287
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 6: He chose everything, everything was there that made that song

1288
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 6: like powerful. Ja Cole didn't do that with this song,

1289
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 6: all right, Uh, technically better he been Kendrick.

1290
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: H. J. Cole's racial mid life Prices was the most

1291
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: frustrating part for me. Did not did not like us

1292
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: discourse turned cold into deluxe logic.

1293
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a hell of a question.

1294
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 5: There were some cringey bars in this. I forgot, I

1295
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 5: need to take some points off. Then he says like

1296
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 5: the best rapper with a white mama or something paraphrasing

1297
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 5: what he said.

1298
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah he did.

1299
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 5: And they said, ain't nobody fucking with this malatto? And

1300
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, dog, where's doctor Umar we need?

1301
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1302
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 4: That was crazy.

1303
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: That was crazy. That was crazy. Shout out to my

1304
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: point that out because yeah he did. He did have

1305
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: some crazy stuff in here.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm mmm.

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I gotta think about that one a

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01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: little bit more. That was because that.

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 4: Wasn't the mulatto thing.

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 3: Did did catch me off garden and uh, you know

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01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: it is black history, but but he is black, you black,

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 3: He's black color Wood J Cole is a dope rapper.

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: But this album was underwhelming. It was too long and

1314
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 3: the production was lazy. His fans got to stop trying

1315
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,959
Speaker 3: to gas us. That is why they're called fans. Look

1316
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: at the way Eminem fans like Eminem has bad albums,

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: but his fans will tell you they are the best

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01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: albums ever because they're fan hands. They're gonna ride for

1319
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: that guy, you know, and so I wouldn't I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: look at it that way.

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, you guys heard my grades on the album,

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 4: so they are what they are. But yeah, I mean, yeah, it.

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Speaker 3: Just makes sense for me that they they've always been

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: like this with Jake Cole. We have to make a

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01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,919
Speaker 3: whole apology video for didn't.

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Speaker 1: We We did.

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01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was an apology video.

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: It was well whenever we responded to it. Yeah, yeah,

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 3: you're right. I don't know if it was apology.

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01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 4: But that it was something they was mad at it.

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01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 2: They always mad at for j Cole. You know, even

1332
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: even when we liked j Cole, they're still mad. It's crazy.

1333
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 4: Bro.

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the comment is probably gonna be crazy. Yeah,

1335
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: they gonna They're gonna yeah. Uh, Mike, your last ship

1336
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 3: was tragic. J Cole, oh, my.

1337
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 4: Young dash. Great marketing.

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: He had us calling this the fall Off and seeing

1339
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 3: how polarizing it is, not worthy of making this a

1340
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: double album. In my opinion, this was the fall off

1341
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: way before. That's the thing about the fall Off and

1342
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 3: it being the double album. It did change, but people

1343
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 3: have been into Hello, what since kill people have been.

1344
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 4: Waiting on this for a long time to a twenty eight. Yeah, so.

1345
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: The pivot definitely threw some people off. I know, yeah,

1346
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: but it's unfortunate. But Cole said, man, I'm out of here. Bro,

1347
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: y'all got this rap shit, I'm done. It kissed my ass.

1348
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 3: But he really got spooped.

1349
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:43,879
Speaker 4: Last year.

1350
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 3: The Rainer or the year before The Rainer, Gamer Silin

1351
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: Story is still my favor The album is slept on big.

1352
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 4: Time because it put us to sleep. That's why that's

1353
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,919
Speaker 4: so fun. Yeah that one, Yeah that it's interesting.

1354
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: Uh boom hot take burn Center was better than this.

1355
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go back, but I doubt it.

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: No, definitely not.

1357
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

1358
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 4: It was better.

1359
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: That definitely had more hits.

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean we can't say that. I mean this album

1361
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: just came out.

1362
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: And it gave Yeah that that that that that was

1363
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: Ja Cole's commercial room. Bro, what is you talking about?

1364
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 4: Like?

1365
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: Look, I think I think you know. Me and my

1366
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: brother was having this conversation, like lost in the discography

1367
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: conversation is how many hits J Cole really has that

1368
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: are like legit hits not necessarily Oh I got jay

1369
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: Z so it's whatever. It's like standalone, like it's dope

1370
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: because I'm dope. Hits like j CO has a plethora

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: of those, but he doesn't have, in my opinion, the

1372
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: discography to back him up. But Born Center definitely has

1373
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: hits like nothing like this album, like things that got

1374
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: played on the radio. I don't you know, I think

1375
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: after twenty fourteen, j kolegally hasn't had his own shit

1376
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: on the radio anymore. He's not making that type of music.

1377
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 5: Well, I don't even think it's that. I think it's

1378
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 5: the way he delivered the music. If you notice, when

1379
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 5: Forest Hill Drive came out, he just that was the

1380
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 5: first album he just put out.

1381
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 4: Like no lead single.

1382
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 5: That was when the model started changing versus back in

1383
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 5: the before that it was, hey, I have hit a single,

1384
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 5: Here go my first single album come out, here go

1385
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 5: my second single.

1386
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 4: What happened with Forest Hill Drive?

1387
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 5: He put out Forest Hill Drive, the people decided what

1388
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 5: the single was and then or the labels already kind

1389
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 5: of had an idea. They put out Wet Dreams and

1390
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 5: their role models no role models costume this album and

1391
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 5: how albums are nowadays, nobody put out singles first like that.

1392
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 5: People put out singles, but the singles may end up

1393
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 5: being on the album. But nowadays niggas just dropped the

1394
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 5: album and it's like the people decide.

1395
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Clouds was it?

1396
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: And born Center gave me my favorite line, lettingnas down.

1397
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: I use that for everything, bro, especially in sports. It's

1398
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 3: a yep. The fall off is a t move Friday

1399
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: night lights, bro, y'all, that's just it is, Josh Bros.

1400
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 3: This album blows twenty fourteen out the water. Wrapping ability

1401
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 3: and storytelling isn't even close. It's also a way better

1402
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 3: album than G and TS and mister Morale easily, aj.

1403
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: I know you had another handle named Josh Bros.

1404
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 4: That It definitely ain't me.

1405
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 5: But I agree with everything except when it gets to

1406
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 5: G and X. Now, mister Morale, I could see mister Morale,

1407
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 5: but j and at these two. They two different type

1408
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 5: of albums, but I agree with most of what he said.

1409
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 3: All right, and last one, uh, just a question, king,

1410
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: what did you think of Don tollror album?

1411
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 4: Josh Bros. I have not listened to it, but I

1412
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 4: will give it a listen. I've been meaning to get

1413
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 4: to it, Bro, I will. We're done here, yeah, all.

1414
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: Right, well cool. Look, man, appreciate everybody pulling up, you know,

1415
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: staying with us about an hour and fifteen in Jay Res,

1416
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, last minute man in the clutch.

1417
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, gave us, you know, extra

1418
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: assists out there, And thank you for being on here, man,

1419
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: because you gave us a little bit of balance because

1420
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: obviously me, Kenn and Rob we was on the same

1421
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm using.

1422
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: It on it. I don't think I did it, but.

1423
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: I just said that all three of us was on

1424
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: the same accord and j Res was that's.

1425
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 2: All I said.

1426
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 4: It's red, right, yeah, red red, yeah, j.

1427
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: That's why you got the color back there. But but look, man,

1428
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you just everybody pulling up.

1429
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: Hold on, people, I don't I don't, Rob, I don't

1430
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 3: see I saw your members chat.

1431
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 4: I read that. I don't I don't see the super chat.

1432
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 3: Uh jeez, slipping on my pimper hold on.

1433
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 4: Sorry sorry, sorry, let me make sure, but.

1434
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't looking at that man.

1435
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1436
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 6: Yeah for sure, Man, appreciate you coming on man, last

1437
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 6: super clutch bro super class man.

1438
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, sure.

1439
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: Give the people one more time, man, where they can

1440
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 2: find you, man.

1441
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, So go to my YouTube channel YouTube dot

1442
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 5: com slash at resvue R three D s view and

1443
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 5: then my second podcast with my homie c J.

1444
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 4: It's called who Gave You a Podcast?

1445
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 5: So YouTube dot com at who Gave You a Podcast?

1446
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 5: We had hit over a thousand subs most recently and

1447
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 5: stuff like that. And the videos, thanks, thank you, and yeah,

1448
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 5: the videos keep going viral on Instagram. Make sure you

1449
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 5: look at the Instagram because those videos go crazy viral.

1450
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

1451
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 5: And then yeah, make sure you follow me on Instagram

1452
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 5: at j A y R three D.

1453
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 3: All right, and Rob, I found it, Rob Costa, top

1454
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: of the evening everyone. It was like one of the

1455
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 3: first ones, so it got buried. This album is perfect

1456
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 3: for the right situation. For example, I played the last

1457
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: night when I was going to bed, and they helped

1458
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: me fall as asleep.

1459
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: Rob Costa. But we need to write jokes for a comedian.

1460
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: Bro will talk subs.

1461
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 4: Bro.

1462
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: But look, appreciate everybody. You know what I'm saying, pulling up.

1463
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for all of the super chats, like like

1464
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: modest always say man, help keep the lights on. Man again,

1465
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all. Top one hundred coming soon TVD on the date,

1466
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: but with the date, we're working on it. Bad Bunny

1467
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: halftime Show breakdown that's coming soon. That a hip hop podcast.

1468
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying That that should be up

1469
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: in a little bit. So again, Man, appreciate y'all become

1470
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 1: a patriot for coming YouTube member. You want to support

1471
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: your boys for over fifteen years in a game. Man,

1472
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: over fifteen years, Let that resonate a little bit. Let

1473
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: that like country ain't. Let that. Let that sizzle on

1474
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: your spirit for a little bit. You know what I'm saying.

1475
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: But Man, we catch you next week. We out Peast

1476
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: Peace