WEBVTT - The Drop: A Snowfall Saga Season 1 0:00:01.690 --> 0:00:03.650 The Frames Per Second Podcast. 0:00:03.790 --> 0:00:12.210 All right, y'all, welcome back. Welcome back to another Frames 0:00:12.230 --> 0:00:13.960 Per Second Podcast episode. 0:00:13.990 --> 0:00:19.120 Today, man, we are covering a snowfall saga called The Drop. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.279 It aired back in September. It premiered back in September. 0:00:25.340 --> 0:00:29.460 It's like eight episodes long. It's basically a spinoff of 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:30.050 a snowfall. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.920 Which as y'all know by now if you're a fan 0:00:32.979 --> 0:00:35.920 of the show Snowfall is like one of my favorite 0:00:35.950 --> 0:00:38.330 shows like kind of all time I mean not yet 0:00:38.390 --> 0:00:41.269 because I think it still needs time but right now 0:00:41.330 --> 0:00:43.489 I can see it being one of my favorite shows 0:00:43.550 --> 0:00:45.809 of all time and I put it up against. 0:00:45.610 --> 0:00:50.750 The Wire just recently against the fellas and that is 0:00:50.930 --> 0:00:54.010 I think it's exclusively on the Patreon right. 0:00:53.890 --> 0:00:55.530 Now Ken. 0:00:56.970 --> 0:01:00.639 For the drop Yeah, no, no, for the Wire versus Snowfall. 0:01:00.660 --> 0:01:03.280 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Patreon, yeah. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.899 Yeah, yeah, so we covered, we actually covered Snowfall on 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.570 Frase Per Second, but then we spun the block and 0:01:11.170 --> 0:01:14.630 did a Wire versus Snowfall, which was a highly anticipated 0:01:14.670 --> 0:01:17.550 debate that people had been waiting on. So, yeah, definitely 0:01:17.569 --> 0:01:19.550 check that out. If you haven't checked that out yet, 0:01:19.690 --> 0:01:23.250 it's now currently on Patreon. It probably will be released 0:01:23.530 --> 0:01:25.209 on the channel at some point, but right now, if 0:01:25.230 --> 0:01:27.289 you want to catch it early, Make sure you go 0:01:27.310 --> 0:01:33.610 to patreon.com forward slash frames per second. Is it frames 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.420 per second podcast or frames per second? Frames per second podcast. 0:01:36.980 --> 0:01:40.280 And then that way you'll be able to catch that episode. 0:01:40.340 --> 0:01:43.539 But today, man, we're talking about the spinoff, The Drop. 0:01:45.060 --> 0:01:48.890 Like I said, it's a musical crime drama created by 0:01:48.970 --> 0:01:50.750 Malcolm Spellman. 0:01:50.910 --> 0:01:53.750 It comes on FX or came on FX. 0:01:54.770 --> 0:01:58.730 Stars Wanda um and uh leon which y'all remember off 0:01:58.770 --> 0:02:01.710 of snowfall wanda was a crackhead leon was a dope 0:02:01.730 --> 0:02:06.310 dealer you know what i'm saying um and um they're 0:02:06.330 --> 0:02:10.960 attempting to like reinvent themselves um in the hip-hop scene 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:12.440 which kind. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:17.700 Of started like around the 90s in los angeles um i. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.540 Just want to start here with what were y'all first 0:02:20.860 --> 0:02:22.720 well i'm sorry i'm not here alone like i'm here 0:02:22.750 --> 0:02:23.770 with uh uh. 0:02:24.610 --> 0:02:28.350 Nick, what's good, man? What's going on, bro? Kenneth B. Ange. 0:02:29.250 --> 0:02:29.620 Hola. 0:02:30.310 --> 0:02:32.900 And actually, Nate and Spike are on the way, so 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.460 they will be joining us soon. So, yeah, they'll be 0:02:35.500 --> 0:02:37.840 coming on. I will get their opinions on it as well. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.280 But where I wanted to start was. 0:02:43.340 --> 0:02:51.040 Nick, was this something that you wanted to see? That's a. 0:02:51.900 --> 0:02:54.359 That's an interesting question. I would say yes. It was 0:02:54.380 --> 0:02:58.050 something I was interested to see because I think, again, 0:02:58.090 --> 0:02:59.350 if y'all listen back to. 0:02:59.250 --> 0:03:02.950 The review of season, what was it, season five of 0:03:03.010 --> 0:03:03.930 Snowfall that we did? 0:03:04.990 --> 0:03:07.410 Well, how many seasons? The last season of Snowfall that 0:03:07.430 --> 0:03:11.750 we did. I was unsatisfied with how it ended. 0:03:11.850 --> 0:03:15.420 So I was curious to see how they could spin 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.669 it off with two characters who May not have been 0:03:18.710 --> 0:03:21.510 the most anticipated characters to follow up with, but they 0:03:21.530 --> 0:03:23.620 were still very well connected to the main storyline. So 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.119 it's like, OK, maybe we'll see some other characters that 0:03:26.139 --> 0:03:30.140 we know and love come back. But I'm also a 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.160 fan of the actor who plays Wanda, Gail Bean. I 0:03:35.180 --> 0:03:39.030 think she's really been working on leveling up in the industry. 0:03:39.090 --> 0:03:41.410 So I was happy that she got basically it's her 0:03:41.470 --> 0:03:44.560 show in my mind. Um, so she got a chance 0:03:44.580 --> 0:03:46.619 to be on our network premiere show. So I was 0:03:46.660 --> 0:03:47.780 anticipating those two things. 0:03:47.820 --> 0:03:48.500 Most of. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.700 All. Um, Ken, what about you, man? 0:03:52.740 --> 0:03:55.280 Where, where are you? Like, um, we, we need this. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.400 Were you excited about it? Like, were you like, what 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.700 the hell? Like, how did you feel about it when 0:03:59.740 --> 0:04:01.200 you saw that they were going to go down doing 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.020 a spinoff of snowfall? 0:04:04.700 --> 0:04:09.660 I definitely wasn't excited about it. Um, you know, I'm 0:04:09.700 --> 0:04:13.840 not the biggest fan of snowfall. Um, Anyway, and then 0:04:13.940 --> 0:04:16.510 to hear about the angle that they were taking, I 0:04:16.570 --> 0:04:19.210 thought that could be interesting, but also kind of risky. 0:04:21.170 --> 0:04:25.110 But no, it wasn't. It wasn't anywhere near how my list. 0:04:25.350 --> 0:04:28.300 I thought it was an extreme gamble to take. But, 0:04:29.380 --> 0:04:32.680 you know, I think there is an interesting discussion we 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.659 should have one day. 0:04:33.580 --> 0:04:36.880 About world building. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:38.219 That. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.520 That a lot of these franchises are starting to do 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.299 taking like this comic book or Apple approach and creating 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.740 the ecosystem dating all the way back to power and stuff. 0:04:47.779 --> 0:04:50.299 I think that would be an interesting conversation to have 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.290 at some point, but no, I wasn't anticipating or looking 0:04:53.310 --> 0:04:54.070 forward to watching it. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.690 Okay. All right, cool. 0:04:57.130 --> 0:04:58.110 I wasn't either, man. 0:04:58.230 --> 0:05:01.789 I was pretty satisfied with, with snowfall and how it 0:05:01.890 --> 0:05:07.089 ended personally. It seemed like a well-rounded and complete story. 0:05:08.140 --> 0:05:09.919 And I'm trying to figure out what would have made 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.770 an entertaining spinoff in my mind before this came out. 0:05:14.529 --> 0:05:17.210 And I really can't think of what it was. I 0:05:17.250 --> 0:05:20.349 think they pretty much nailed it in my eyes as 0:05:20.410 --> 0:05:22.849 far as Snowfall is concerned. So when I saw this, 0:05:22.910 --> 0:05:26.250 I was like, oh, man, I do not want this, 0:05:26.300 --> 0:05:28.479 especially not these two characters. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.500 Because even when we were starting. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.000 To come to a close with the Snowfall, these were 0:05:34.020 --> 0:05:36.969 probably some of the least interesting characters to me. 0:05:37.380 --> 0:05:39.180 End the show by the time we was about to 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.979 end it. Now, they were entertaining during the show to. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.160 Me, but by the time we got to the end, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.419 I just didn't care much about their storyline. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:47.599 I went to Africa. 0:05:47.620 --> 0:05:49.969 I didn't really care much about that storyline and trying 0:05:49.990 --> 0:05:50.930 to change their lives. 0:05:51.430 --> 0:05:53.350 I was just like, I don't know. So when I 0:05:53.390 --> 0:05:56.170 saw this, I was like, why? You know what I'm saying? 0:05:57.050 --> 0:05:57.210 Why? 0:05:57.430 --> 0:05:59.050 But then I started seeing, like, there was some buzz 0:05:59.089 --> 0:06:01.210 around it. People starting to say it was good and stuff, man. 0:06:01.250 --> 0:06:03.400 And I was just like, oh, okay. Well, I guess 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.739 I was wrong or whatever. So That's the next question 0:06:06.779 --> 0:06:10.120 I have for y'all. After seeing it, what's your overall 0:06:10.180 --> 0:06:11.990 thoughts on either one of y'all? 0:06:14.550 --> 0:06:16.989 Well, I think I'm kind of with you. 0:06:17.370 --> 0:06:23.190 What started to draw my interest are the conversations that 0:06:23.270 --> 0:06:27.890 people were having, particularly in the Denton Sports group chat. 0:06:28.130 --> 0:06:31.450 I mean, it's active all day long, Rod. 0:06:32.830 --> 0:06:40.179 So there's it's constant conversation going on about damn near 0:06:40.260 --> 0:06:44.540 any and everything. So, and they were talking, talking highly 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:44.950 about it. 0:06:45.060 --> 0:06:46.460 Like they liked it. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.790 And then I started to see fire emojis and most, 0:06:50.730 --> 0:06:54.150 most of the, mostly everyone that was in there was 0:06:54.210 --> 0:06:57.289 not looking forward to it either. So their expectations were 0:06:57.350 --> 0:07:00.210 low and, you know, it started with, Oh yeah, that 0:07:00.230 --> 0:07:02.860 first episode wasn't that bad. And then it was like, Oh, that, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.200 Wasn't that bad either. Oh, damn, this is kind of good. Oh, then, 0:07:07.380 --> 0:07:09.280 of course, later on as it went on the fire mode. 0:07:09.300 --> 0:07:13.810 So I'm like, OK, especially Kyle, because I'm not saying 0:07:13.850 --> 0:07:19.390 Kyle can't be harsh, but, you know, he definitely can 0:07:19.410 --> 0:07:22.010 be somewhat picky. So when he was co-signing, I'm like, 0:07:22.030 --> 0:07:26.530 all right, now I'm curious to see what's going on 0:07:26.570 --> 0:07:29.800 with this with this show. Because it is about music 0:07:29.900 --> 0:07:35.160 and hip-hop. And Kyle and I, we were definitely around 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.100 during that period. So if it caught Kyle's attention, with 0:07:40.140 --> 0:07:43.460 him being older than I am, kind of taking him 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:44.840 back to memory lane, I was like, okay, let me 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.200 see what this show is about. So yeah, at that point, 0:07:48.220 --> 0:07:50.820 I was like, all right, I'm curious to see what 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.790 they're doing with the show. But I just wanted to 0:07:52.820 --> 0:07:53.580 wait until it ended. 0:07:55.740 --> 0:07:58.020 Yeah, I'll piggyback off of that. I did want to 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.120 wait until it ended because going into it, because I 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.020 was still skeptical. I was interested, but skeptical. 0:08:06.820 --> 0:08:09.720 It's a week-to-week show, so I'm not giving it a 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.400 week-to-week of my time. I'm going to do it like 0:08:12.500 --> 0:08:14.980 I did it for this review. I binge-watched it in 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.970 a day and a half, and I. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.480 Going off of your Kyle point, 12 Kyle, shout out 0:08:21.500 --> 0:08:23.100 to 12 Kyle. But Ken, you should know he was 0:08:23.140 --> 0:08:24.680 going to gas this up just because of the era. 0:08:25.220 --> 0:08:29.240 You give Kyle any concept of late 80s, early 90s 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.800 rap era, he locked in regardless of his good, bad, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:32.260 or ugly. 0:08:33.660 --> 0:08:36.090 To me, it was him and a combination of Beezy. 0:08:36.730 --> 0:08:38.709 Both of them watching it. 0:08:39.530 --> 0:08:42.610 And then, of course, Manny was going to glorify anything 0:08:42.630 --> 0:08:44.530 West Coast, even though he's an East Coast guy, which 0:08:44.590 --> 0:08:45.350 I have issues with. 0:08:45.830 --> 0:08:48.290 But overall. 0:08:49.510 --> 0:08:56.890 I was impressed, but still disappointed with, I guess what 0:08:56.910 --> 0:08:59.570 I would say with the world that they're continuing on. 0:08:59.610 --> 0:09:03.120 Cause like you mentioned, Rod, the world that Snowfall lives 0:09:03.150 --> 0:09:06.000 in is very entertaining. And I think the way they 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.620 started was that way. But then once they, once we 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.840 kind of got comfortable, that's when I was like, okay, 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.439 now you're starting to see certain, certain holes in certain things. 0:09:14.540 --> 0:09:16.760 But overall, I think this is a good show. Um, 0:09:18.300 --> 0:09:20.320 And I'll be very interested in even more so seeing 0:09:20.340 --> 0:09:22.980 what a season two will look like. But I think 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.760 they did enough to keep me interested up until the end. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.360 You know what? I realize I didn't even get my 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:38.650 take on the show. Yeah, very similar to Nick. I 0:09:38.670 --> 0:09:41.730 binge watched it pretty much over the weekend and I 0:09:41.750 --> 0:09:45.860 finished it today. And it started off good. I started 0:09:45.900 --> 0:09:53.070 off liking what I watched. And then it just started dragging. 0:09:53.130 --> 0:09:54.870 And a lot of the shit that was happening didn't 0:09:54.890 --> 0:09:58.430 make sense. And things were not progressing. And they kept 0:09:58.710 --> 0:10:02.929 recycling stuff over and over again. And then it kind 0:10:02.970 --> 0:10:04.630 of picked up towards the end. 0:10:04.790 --> 0:10:07.100 But, you know, I was somewhat annoyed. But overall, though, 0:10:07.700 --> 0:10:09.000 I didn't think it was a bad show. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.540 You know, it's just they were very kind of maybe 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.400 to what Nick was saying, somewhat formulaic. 0:10:15.700 --> 0:10:18.020 And I had some issues with a few of the 0:10:18.059 --> 0:10:24.480 characters on this show. So, yeah. So outside of that, though, yeah, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.900 it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. I was 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.190 actually surprised. Thinking about Snowfall as a. 0:10:32.690 --> 0:10:37.229 Hip-hop rap show versus being one about drugs, for it 0:10:37.270 --> 0:10:41.250 to be a better show to me is interesting within itself. 0:10:41.309 --> 0:10:44.230 But no, I didn't think it was that bad, actually. 0:10:46.990 --> 0:10:47.390 Um.... 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.970 Yeah, I don't know if I'm a big fan of it. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.359 I try to give it an opportunity. 0:10:54.380 --> 0:11:01.959 And I think it has potential, maybe. But I'm just 0:11:02.059 --> 0:11:05.940 not feeling the way that they're going about it. And 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.600 I don't know if it's because I think Snowfall has 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.760 a lot, the original Snowfall has a lot to. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:11.119 Do with it. 0:11:11.620 --> 0:11:13.739 Because it's like I keep wanting it to be that. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.110 And it's just not that. It's like, how are we 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.600 in the same world? But it doesn't feel like we are. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.110 And they keep putting little elements in there to try 0:11:25.130 --> 0:11:27.570 to make it feel like the same world. But when 0:11:27.590 --> 0:11:29.750 you go back and look at Snowfall, it feels nothing 0:11:29.770 --> 0:11:34.860 like this, man. This feels like a different show with 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.380 some of the same actors to me. And that bothered 0:11:37.420 --> 0:11:42.020 me throughout the whole thing. Yeah, that kind of bothered me. 0:11:43.380 --> 0:11:46.480 Like you just said, Ken, it's characters that bother me, 0:11:46.620 --> 0:11:49.679 especially the one they put the highlight on. I feel 0:11:49.710 --> 0:11:54.390 like he's roaring in the show. 0:11:55.530 --> 0:11:57.750 And shout out to him, man, because he actually. 0:11:57.770 --> 0:11:59.110 Asante Black. 0:11:59.350 --> 0:12:02.490 Yeah, Asante Black is actually pretty good. I just don't 0:12:02.510 --> 0:12:03.450 know if they cast it right. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.310 I don't think they cast it right for this. 0:12:08.590 --> 0:12:09.610 You know what's funny, Rod? 0:12:09.750 --> 0:12:12.730 I was thinking the same thing because I'm watching it 0:12:13.429 --> 0:12:15.170 and I was watching with my... My girl don't really 0:12:15.190 --> 0:12:18.719 care for shows, but she was watching and she was like, 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:25.130 he just irks me. me too and it was multiple 0:12:25.170 --> 0:12:27.770 reasons I'ma leave off cause kid you already got my 0:12:27.870 --> 0:12:31.870 ass about certain things but as far as the commenters 0:12:31.929 --> 0:12:34.000 but I will say she just says she just irks 0:12:34.010 --> 0:12:36.760 me but like you mentioned right I didn't expect this 0:12:36.860 --> 0:12:40.580 much of a spotlight to be on that character because 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.440 you got you got Wanda and Leon right there and 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.459 you got the Bloods and the Crips you got so 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.660 much other shit we could talk about where it's just 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.150 like okay, something got, if you won't do this on him, 0:12:52.170 --> 0:12:54.130 they must have something. It makes you be like, all right, 0:12:54.170 --> 0:12:56.320 if the writers are making us forced to, are forcing 0:12:56.340 --> 0:12:57.650 us to watch this thing, it must be something to 0:12:57.700 --> 0:13:01.900 pay off. And it's like, bruh, like that to me, 0:13:02.740 --> 0:13:05.360 that to me, honestly, now you unlock, that's the crux 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.910 of this whole show. Like, that is the, no pun intended, 0:13:09.929 --> 0:13:15.510 that's the drop that you felt. 0:13:16.350 --> 0:13:18.130 It happened at episode five to me. 0:13:18.290 --> 0:13:18.589 Yep. 0:13:18.890 --> 0:13:21.490 It happened at episode five. I was like, what the 0:13:21.590 --> 0:13:26.530 fuck are we doing? Like, you had a great, it's 0:13:26.550 --> 0:13:30.170 like a roller, it's like the worst rollercoaster ride. You 0:13:30.190 --> 0:13:32.110 already know you in Atlanta, you seen that Six Flags. 0:13:32.130 --> 0:13:32.210 Yeah. 0:13:32.350 --> 0:13:34.150 It's like, the worst rollercoaster. 0:13:41.130 --> 0:13:45.480 It's like the roller coaster ride that you're on for 0:13:45.500 --> 0:13:47.680 the first four episodes to me they did a great 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.320 job because right the only thing i have issue with 0:13:50.340 --> 0:13:52.700 what you said is like you gotta let stonefall go 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.640 now you know i'm saying like you can't because can 0:13:54.660 --> 0:13:56.380 do this with a different world where you compare it 0:13:56.420 --> 0:13:57.780 to what the previous. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.220 Iteration don't bring me into it I'm just, I'm just 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.420 trying to say y'all's like-minded in that. Y'all gotta let 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.020 that shit go. This is a whole new show. And 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.640 I liked how they made it a whole new show. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.320 Like you, yes, it's, I love how it's cinematically shot. 0:14:08.380 --> 0:14:10.270 I think you, you may agree. Like they, I think 0:14:10.290 --> 0:14:12.870 they still have like the cinematic taste of it, but 0:14:12.910 --> 0:14:16.070 it's a whole new show, but it's just like the 0:14:16.190 --> 0:14:19.370 first four episodes versus the last four to me also 0:14:19.410 --> 0:14:20.530 feel like two different shows. 0:14:22.070 --> 0:14:26.500 I agree with that. And to kind of go think about, yeah, yeah. Get, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:31.000 get Lamar the fuck out of here. But, uh, But, yeah, 0:14:31.020 --> 0:14:34.700 it was episode five, Nick. You're spot on. That was 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.360 when I was like, what the hell are we doing? 0:14:38.540 --> 0:14:41.960 And I was surprised, based on a lot of commentary 0:14:42.100 --> 0:14:45.580 in the group chat, didn't make it seem like it 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:50.950 was really focused on this kid and whatever issues he has. 0:14:51.590 --> 0:14:55.810 And I was really shocked by that. But... I do 0:14:55.870 --> 0:14:56.890 agree with what Nick is saying. 0:14:56.930 --> 0:14:59.330 I think I'm the opposite of you, Rod, where I 0:14:59.450 --> 0:15:03.490 like the fact that it's a different show, a different tone, 0:15:03.590 --> 0:15:07.310 because we are kind of moving into a different direction, 0:15:07.390 --> 0:15:09.990 and that is the end of that era. And now, 0:15:10.010 --> 0:15:13.610 of course, we're in 91, so hip-hop is really about 0:15:13.650 --> 0:15:16.670 to fucking take off. And, you know, you just had, 0:15:16.970 --> 0:15:21.170 especially in the West Coast, you had Too Short, Quick... NWA, 0:15:21.470 --> 0:15:22.930 Ice Cube Death Certificate. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:24.020 So, yeah, so you only. 0:15:23.900 --> 0:15:26.680 Really had that, yeah, really going, well, yeah. 0:15:26.740 --> 0:15:28.520 Oh, not yet. Yeah, not yet. 0:15:29.620 --> 0:15:31.560 So, I think that was one of the things that 0:15:31.580 --> 0:15:34.680 I liked about it, because I didn't think a show 0:15:34.740 --> 0:15:41.090 about Wanda and Leon would work, but they actually managed, 0:15:41.210 --> 0:15:44.430 in the way that they wrote it, they actually managed 0:15:44.450 --> 0:15:48.250 to pull it off with them being part of the focal. 0:15:47.990 --> 0:15:48.630 Point of the show. 0:15:49.650 --> 0:15:53.660 Um, But, yeah, and I think it being separated from Snowfall, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.580 except for a couple of, you know, Easter eggs here 0:15:55.620 --> 0:15:57.680 and there and pictures here and there, I think I 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.420 did like that aspect of it for me. 0:16:03.170 --> 0:16:04.190 All right, cool. 0:16:04.250 --> 0:16:07.850 So, welcome, Spike. Welcome, Nate. 0:16:09.570 --> 0:16:11.870 We're just kind of getting started and getting everybody's overall 0:16:11.890 --> 0:16:16.670 thoughts about the show. I guess I'll start with you, Nate. 0:16:18.090 --> 0:16:22.020 Was it something that you... were looking forward to, anticipating. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.360 And then how overall thoughts about the show. 0:16:25.140 --> 0:16:27.520 No, I was not looking forward to it. No, I 0:16:27.580 --> 0:16:30.180 was not anticipating it. And I wasn't even. 0:16:29.980 --> 0:16:33.160 Going to watch it until that scene with Dara started floating. 0:16:32.900 --> 0:16:35.500 Everywhere on the internet. And so I was like, okay, 0:16:35.540 --> 0:16:42.000 let me go see what this is about. Pleasantly surprised. 0:16:43.500 --> 0:16:45.160 I don't know if I like it yet, though. 0:16:48.180 --> 0:16:48.920 What scene with Dara? 0:16:50.730 --> 0:16:51.430 Come on. 0:16:51.450 --> 0:16:54.010 I was thinking, can we go say that for the lady? 0:16:54.070 --> 0:16:56.510 I know Ron got a question about it. He got 0:16:56.530 --> 0:16:59.220 to have a question. I got a question about it. 0:17:00.260 --> 0:17:02.740 I got an answer for you, too. I got an 0:17:02.780 --> 0:17:05.159 answer for you. I got two things for her. I 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.600 got an answer for you, too, actually. 0:17:07.859 --> 0:17:09.260 That's what you said, Spike, man. 0:17:09.460 --> 0:17:13.440 This is why I wanted to do this show. Oh, man. 0:17:13.619 --> 0:17:18.250 I'm totally buying it, Spike. 0:17:18.900 --> 0:17:21.670 I was just like, hey, man. I was like, no, 0:17:21.730 --> 0:17:24.770 I'm not interested in Leon and Wanda's story, bro. Like, 0:17:24.910 --> 0:17:27.909 they trying to do some music thing. I said I'll 0:17:27.950 --> 0:17:31.290 hold out and just wait until it ended. But then 0:17:31.310 --> 0:17:35.080 the scenes started floating around that we'll talk about. 0:17:35.630 --> 0:17:37.780 And I was like, okay, let me check this out. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.240 So I started about episode five. It was about five 0:17:41.300 --> 0:17:44.020 episodes out. And, yeah, the first half of it I liked. 0:17:44.100 --> 0:17:44.700 I enjoyed it. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.580 They did a good job of separating themselves from Snowfall. 0:17:48.990 --> 0:17:51.750 I feel like, and told a different story. 0:17:53.070 --> 0:17:55.209 So I liked it. I wasn't mad at it at all. 0:17:55.250 --> 0:17:57.450 Definitely pleasantly surprised. 0:17:58.970 --> 0:18:01.360 You starting out episode five is crazy and you still 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:01.679 watch it. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.119 No, no, when five episodes were out. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:04.300 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.460 That's when I started watching. 0:18:05.500 --> 0:18:08.300 You ended it on episode five. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:08.840 Which one? 0:18:09.300 --> 0:18:11.939 To me, that's the cliff. That's the like. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:12.760 Oh, okay. 0:18:12.780 --> 0:18:13.460 Got you, got you, got you. 0:18:13.500 --> 0:18:17.470 Because episode five is horrendous. It is a horrendous episode. 0:18:17.900 --> 0:18:21.070 When it comes to context of like yeah telling this 0:18:21.130 --> 0:18:24.830 story it's a horrible episode that's with the mom right 0:18:24.990 --> 0:18:26.850 yeah yeah mama g. 0:18:27.250 --> 0:18:28.949 And that and see that part too man i feel 0:18:28.970 --> 0:18:31.350 like they kept building up to that would be something 0:18:31.410 --> 0:18:34.540 bigger and i was just like man this is what 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.020 y'all been keeping in the tuck this whole time i'm 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.440 like jesus so so it was just little stuff like 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.840 that man that That that just kind of bothered me 0:18:43.900 --> 0:18:46.899 about that. Y'all wasn't here when I said it, but 0:18:47.020 --> 0:18:48.780 I'm not the biggest fan of the show. Y'all probably 0:18:48.820 --> 0:18:52.660 gathered that from what Nick and Ken said. I do 0:18:52.700 --> 0:18:55.489 think it has potential. But yeah, I mean, I'm just 0:18:55.570 --> 0:18:57.689 not the biggest fan of it. I kept trying to 0:18:57.730 --> 0:18:59.449 give it chances, kept trying to give it chances. And 0:18:59.490 --> 0:19:01.929 I think it has a lot of great spots in it. 0:19:01.950 --> 0:19:04.609 But I just overall, I just I can't I can't. 0:19:05.770 --> 0:19:09.010 It's just not one of the best. So would this 0:19:09.050 --> 0:19:11.170 make y'all like top 10, top five? 0:19:11.230 --> 0:19:12.750 Is it good like that to y'all? 0:19:12.930 --> 0:19:14.750 Nah, nah, nah. So for me, yeah, yeah. 0:19:14.970 --> 0:19:17.970 I just can't. I don't know, man. It's not there. 0:19:18.340 --> 0:19:20.190 It may make like top 25 at best. 0:19:20.430 --> 0:19:20.620 Yeah. 0:19:20.780 --> 0:19:22.200 It's not there for me. 0:19:22.220 --> 0:19:23.460 I would give it. Yeah, it would be in my 0:19:23.500 --> 0:19:26.000 top 15. Well, nah, not even this year. 0:19:26.060 --> 0:19:27.639 I said 25 at 25 or 24. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:39.620 It'll be like, well, What was something that surprised you 0:19:39.700 --> 0:19:42.570 this year in terms of shows that you didn't expect? 0:19:42.570 --> 0:19:45.030 This would be in that category. I got you. Yes, 0:19:45.050 --> 0:19:46.450 that would be definitely in that category. 0:19:46.619 --> 0:19:48.580 I like that take. I like that take. 0:19:49.020 --> 0:19:51.679 I think to your point, real quick too, Rod, I 0:19:51.700 --> 0:19:54.280 think to your point, it wasn't enough payoffs in this. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:55.440 It was just a cool little show. 0:19:55.859 --> 0:19:58.900 Like it wasn't no, like we seen Frank, they made 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.439 it Snowfall, they called it The Sox, so I'm going 0:20:00.460 --> 0:20:03.369 to compare it. We had different little payoffs for Franklin, 0:20:03.410 --> 0:20:06.790 for Teddy, for those different characters, even Jerome. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:08.240 It's just the payouts. 0:20:08.340 --> 0:20:10.530 I don't give a fuck about Wonder Man and A & R. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.310 The most interesting story to me was James, the brother. 0:20:14.950 --> 0:20:16.470 That's what I wanted. 0:20:16.990 --> 0:20:18.270 Yeah. 0:20:18.310 --> 0:20:21.270 He was strong in this to me. He was really strong. 0:20:21.310 --> 0:20:22.710 I like that character. 0:20:23.010 --> 0:20:25.050 Ron, he's been in something else. 0:20:25.369 --> 0:20:27.650 I can't think of what it is, bro, but man, 0:20:27.710 --> 0:20:29.070 he was amazing in this. 0:20:29.250 --> 0:20:33.710 Because the thing was, there were actors in here that 0:20:33.890 --> 0:20:36.730 I was really impressed with and hope that they go 0:20:36.790 --> 0:20:37.230 further with. 0:20:37.510 --> 0:20:38.450 He's one of them. 0:20:39.270 --> 0:20:41.740 Obviously, you know, the guy who plays Big Daddy. 0:20:41.780 --> 0:20:43.480 I forgot his real name, but he's a legend as well. 0:20:43.859 --> 0:20:44.740 Yeah, I like him. 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:49.780 He's great. I think there was one other person. But, like, 0:20:50.340 --> 0:20:53.220 those were the ones that kind of brought me, like, oh, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:53.540 hold on. 0:20:53.580 --> 0:20:54.219 There's something. 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.629 I didn't expect a nigga like this to be in 0:20:56.690 --> 0:20:57.370 a show like this. 0:20:58.369 --> 0:21:01.450 You watched Homecoming, Nick? That's probably what you see him in. 0:21:02.130 --> 0:21:03.330 That seemed like some shit you would watch. 0:21:03.670 --> 0:21:04.290 All-American. 0:21:04.310 --> 0:21:06.550 Don't say that, bro. 0:21:07.030 --> 0:21:09.700 It was something else, Louis. I had never seen All-American, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:10.959 even though all bigots watch it. 0:21:12.500 --> 0:21:12.820 Yeah. 0:21:13.700 --> 0:21:15.900 If you would love to have more content from Frames 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.659 Per Second, become a patron where you can contribute to 0:21:18.700 --> 0:21:21.800 what we review and discuss. 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What 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:54.570 I'm going to do is I'm going to try to 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.630 get like, what? 0:21:56.670 --> 0:21:57.350 Get up out of here. 0:21:57.810 --> 0:21:58.410 Oh, no, no. 0:21:58.430 --> 0:21:59.950 I just want to give the premise. I mean, because, 0:21:59.990 --> 0:22:02.490 you know, it's eight episodes. I'm going to give a premise, 0:22:02.530 --> 0:22:03.100 and then I'm. 0:22:02.950 --> 0:22:12.520 Going to go through each episode with a brief overview, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.240 and then we can kind of go through it and break. 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.400 Down our moments and highlights and what we feel like, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.590 you know, anything that stood out in the episode. So basically, 0:22:21.010 --> 0:22:24.390 like I kind of already said, the set in 1990, 0:22:24.390 --> 0:22:26.130 they say it looks like it's roughly like four years 0:22:26.150 --> 0:22:31.550 after Snowfall. And it basically follows Wanda and her cousin Lamar. 0:22:32.869 --> 0:22:37.229 You know, obviously, we know she's recovering addict from from snowfall. 0:22:38.330 --> 0:22:41.470 And but she's determined to take West Coast rap mainstream. 0:22:42.230 --> 0:22:47.800 And and her husband, Leon, Wanda Stakes are her ambitions 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.960 for her younger cousin, like I said, Lamar and the 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:57.080 artist Artillery, which they call art. He's basically a local rapper, 0:22:57.140 --> 0:23:03.480 but he's also blood. And yeah, he's trying to move 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.050 throughout and go through the record labels and profit from 0:23:06.070 --> 0:23:08.830 the hip hop culture. So we kind of see, you know, 0:23:10.210 --> 0:23:12.709 that's how they kind of set the stage. How are 0:23:12.730 --> 0:23:15.169 y'all feeling about how they set the stage? 0:23:15.230 --> 0:23:15.810 Who are standing? 0:23:15.830 --> 0:23:18.209 We kind of already alluded to it. Who are some 0:23:18.230 --> 0:23:21.229 standout characters for you just right off the top? How 0:23:21.250 --> 0:23:23.669 are y'all feeling about how this thing opens up? Anybody 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:24.720 can take the floor. 0:23:26.020 --> 0:23:29.240 In episode one, I did not give a damn about 0:23:29.260 --> 0:23:33.899 none of this in episode one, to be quite honest. 0:23:34.020 --> 0:23:43.070 I'm not intrigued initially. Yeah, I'm not really intrigued. I 0:23:43.090 --> 0:23:45.270 don't care about Lamar. I don't care about me. I 0:23:45.450 --> 0:23:46.270 don't care about nobody. 0:23:46.390 --> 0:23:50.119 What about Daryl? Daryl was the, with the perm and stuff. 0:23:50.140 --> 0:23:58.429 Yeah, D.G., Absolutely not. 0:23:58.450 --> 0:23:59.510 Hell no. 0:23:59.730 --> 0:24:01.429 I think he did his job for the show. He 0:24:01.450 --> 0:24:04.850 reminds me of Tank's character in Reasonable Doubt. He's doing 0:24:04.910 --> 0:24:05.810 his job for the show. 0:24:05.830 --> 0:24:07.730 Don't do that. That's disrespectful. 0:24:07.850 --> 0:24:09.950 I'm talking about the energy thing. 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:15.120 Don't do that. It's disrespectful. He's not good. 0:24:15.820 --> 0:24:17.680 You don't think he's good? 0:24:17.700 --> 0:24:19.890 I don't think he's good. 0:24:19.910 --> 0:24:21.590 What about did his job? You don't think he did 0:24:21.630 --> 0:24:21.970 his job? 0:24:22.270 --> 0:24:24.630 I don't think he's good at his job. I don't 0:24:24.650 --> 0:24:26.859 think he's good at acting like he's doing his job. 0:24:27.020 --> 0:24:29.100 I didn't think he was good at all. 0:24:29.340 --> 0:24:30.600 I was never scared of him. 0:24:31.750 --> 0:24:33.230 I don't think he was supposed to. 0:24:33.270 --> 0:24:33.609 Yeah. 0:24:33.630 --> 0:24:36.730 I don't think he was supposed to. Nah, they tried 0:24:36.750 --> 0:24:39.040 to build him up as that guy that you're. 0:24:38.900 --> 0:24:39.760 Supposed to be afraid of. 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.380 I don't think so, bro. He got scratched up early on. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.040 He got jumped by 80 million people. Yeah, but the 0:24:46.100 --> 0:24:47.129 point of it was. 0:24:47.070 --> 0:24:48.629 He thought he was a tough guy. He not. I 0:24:48.790 --> 0:24:50.310 don't think he was supposed to be a tough guy. 0:24:50.330 --> 0:24:51.430 He just thought he was a tough guy. 0:24:51.830 --> 0:24:52.030 Yeah. 0:24:52.070 --> 0:24:54.570 No, they said he was, they, they, they referred to him. 0:24:55.650 --> 0:24:59.440 I'm a hundred percent, a hundred percent, thousand percent with Nate. 0:24:59.960 --> 0:25:03.480 He was trash. He was absolutely garbage. And he was, 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.260 he was making every episode tough to watch. Every time 0:25:07.300 --> 0:25:09.580 he came up on screen, looking like he just got 0:25:09.619 --> 0:25:12.550 through mouth shape. Like he just got through eating some 0:25:12.590 --> 0:25:15.989 lemons or some shit, him and Lamar. all squished up 0:25:16.050 --> 0:25:18.810 face like what is what is going on here and 0:25:18.850 --> 0:25:22.230 yeah and and talking and whispering like like what is 0:25:22.270 --> 0:25:25.649 he talking about who afraid of him you know and 0:25:25.890 --> 0:25:28.230 and he's talking tough and cuts people out and it 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.280 wasn't later on until and and it took them and 0:25:31.430 --> 0:25:33.240 the issue is it took them too long to kind 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.320 of build him up as a guy that was getting 0:25:35.340 --> 0:25:38.780 all this respect because when Wanda was talking to the 0:25:38.820 --> 0:25:41.419 white lady and she was like Darryl over talk to 0:25:41.460 --> 0:25:43.880 me she was like he's a star where we're coming 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.190 from which means that apparently he had. 0:25:46.090 --> 0:25:47.949 Some clout because Leon respected him. 0:25:48.190 --> 0:25:48.520 Right. 0:25:49.630 --> 0:25:52.300 I thought he had clout. Dion was able to call 0:25:52.340 --> 0:25:54.260 him and get him to work for him. 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:56.300 I thought that was because he was a hustler and 0:25:56.340 --> 0:25:58.659 a good drug dealer, but the tough guy, street shit, 0:25:58.700 --> 0:26:00.840 he wasn't. I never got that from him, but y'all 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.900 could be right. But I do agree. The character was bad. 0:26:05.380 --> 0:26:08.840 I wouldn't ride with y'all and say the actor was 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.830 bad per se, but I just didn't like that character. 0:26:10.850 --> 0:26:13.199 It was never convincing for me. I actually liked when 0:26:13.220 --> 0:26:14.980 he got beat up. I thought that was like a 0:26:15.020 --> 0:26:17.770 real thing. It probably would have happened in that world. 0:26:17.850 --> 0:26:21.190 But your thoughts, I mean, excuse me, your question, Rod, 0:26:21.290 --> 0:26:23.209 as to what jumped out to me in the beginning, 0:26:23.730 --> 0:26:26.230 I really didn't care about Lamar. I was immediately wanting 0:26:26.260 --> 0:26:28.200 to see what James had going on and the dad. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.040 I thought that was an interesting dynamic that they introduced. 0:26:31.619 --> 0:26:34.350 Immediately turned off by Lamar. She was just too I 0:26:34.350 --> 0:26:35.990 don't know what the fuck was wrong with her, man. 0:26:36.050 --> 0:26:37.190 I didn't like her at all. 0:26:37.210 --> 0:26:40.190 Yeah, man, I hated her, dog. 0:26:40.540 --> 0:26:45.020 Bitch, cheer up. Like, God damn. She was mad the 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.680 whole time. Like, cheer up. Like, God, leave. It didn't 0:26:49.700 --> 0:26:50.659 happen yesterday. 0:26:50.740 --> 0:26:54.560 Like, the boy was 18 years old. 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.190 She was acting like she just left the funeral, dude. God, 0:26:58.230 --> 0:26:59.889 but yeah, that's what jumped out to me in the beginning. 0:27:00.130 --> 0:27:01.470 Can't put a time stamp on grief. 0:27:02.780 --> 0:27:03.160 You right. 0:27:03.420 --> 0:27:06.480 You're absolutely right. I don't want to jump in here, 0:27:06.540 --> 0:27:08.159 but Gertie had the best scene to me, Ken, when 0:27:08.180 --> 0:27:10.600 she was like, Wanda. She grabbed his shoulders and she 0:27:10.619 --> 0:27:11.300 slapped him. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:14.510 When she was ignoring on the phone. 0:27:14.850 --> 0:27:15.350 The phone. 0:27:15.410 --> 0:27:17.330 Yeah, she over there. 0:27:17.390 --> 0:27:22.350 Hey, boy, that was some nigga shit right there. 0:27:22.369 --> 0:27:25.970 Everybody done seen that grandmama or mama. Yeah, he over there. 0:27:25.990 --> 0:27:28.109 For me, Rod, the character. 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.340 The character that wasn't a character but was, was the 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.240 city of Los Angeles during this time. 0:27:35.580 --> 0:27:38.480 That's what really excited me about this because when we see, 0:27:39.420 --> 0:27:42.400 what's his name, Lamar get punked out at the bus 0:27:42.420 --> 0:27:44.220 stop where he's like, where you from, cuz, and all 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:44.770 that shit. 0:27:44.830 --> 0:27:47.650 Hearing that lingo, being in that world. Lou, you talk 0:27:47.670 --> 0:27:49.169 about this on deck with AB. 0:27:49.770 --> 0:27:52.189 There's only two sides of America that always get shown 0:27:52.250 --> 0:27:55.310 as LA West Coast and New York East Coast. There's 0:27:55.350 --> 0:27:57.710 a reason why when you have that element there because 0:27:57.790 --> 0:27:59.930 it's easy to pull on. It's easy to be like 0:28:00.030 --> 0:28:03.100 gang culture. is an attractive thing to watch. There's been 0:28:03.460 --> 0:28:07.260 tons of classic black films about it. So, like, seeing that, like, 0:28:07.380 --> 0:28:09.369 in 2026 was like, okay, where can we go with this? 0:28:09.380 --> 0:28:13.470 Because we saw a lot of, we saw them hinting 0:28:13.550 --> 0:28:14.929 at it and kind of exploring it at the end 0:28:14.970 --> 0:28:15.530 of Snowfall. 0:28:15.910 --> 0:28:17.290 Now you've seen it really explored. 0:28:17.310 --> 0:28:19.370 So I was really more interested in seeing, like, what 0:28:19.410 --> 0:28:22.230 new characters would come from the Blood side, Crypt side, and, like, 0:28:22.290 --> 0:28:26.330 how that interacts with this show. And I think that's what, again, 0:28:26.369 --> 0:28:29.070 kept me into it. Because, like you mentioned, or what 0:28:29.090 --> 0:28:33.260 Adolf mentioned in totality, that DG ain't it, but Rod, 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.500 I feel like he understood. He wasn't meant to be it. 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.500 He was just meant to push this specific story along. 0:28:40.030 --> 0:28:41.910 Because there's a lot of short kings in here, Nay. 0:28:42.070 --> 0:28:46.360 So there's a lot of Napoleon-ass niggas in here. And 0:28:46.390 --> 0:28:48.000 we see how niggas get checked. 0:28:48.020 --> 0:28:49.180 That's why that go-go stood out. 0:28:49.220 --> 0:28:50.960 He was towering over everybody. 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.600 Like, we even see Leon. I was more shocked with Leon. 0:28:55.740 --> 0:28:57.540 Because I'm like, who is this nigga? 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.420 And where did y'all... I don't remember that nigga ever 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.380 being in Snowfall, right? You tell me if I'm wrong. 0:29:03.940 --> 0:29:04.780 But it's not. 0:29:04.740 --> 0:29:09.770 That everybody dead, though. So he got a different temperament. No, 0:29:09.810 --> 0:29:10.910 I'm talking about. 0:29:11.310 --> 0:29:14.730 Like, how big, like, how short nigga, too, but, like, 0:29:14.750 --> 0:29:16.120 how big his character was. 0:29:16.150 --> 0:29:18.620 Like, every room he walked in, everybody stood. 0:29:18.820 --> 0:29:20.040 He was Mr. Nigga Lou. 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.060 I didn't expect Leon to be. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:21.480 But he was. 0:29:21.500 --> 0:29:25.060 That made sense, though. Prankin' was the biggest drug dealer 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.740 in L.A. And that was his right-hand man. Everybody fucking Leon. 0:29:28.430 --> 0:29:32.580 Yeah, everybody fucked with Leon. Remember, he took over the projects. 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.360 But I'm going off of the Jerome scene, Rod, that 0:29:36.380 --> 0:29:37.200 you know is a classic. 0:29:37.220 --> 0:29:41.420 Fuck out here, little nigga. Take this bullshit back. 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.780 I'm used to Lehigh getting treated like that. So it's 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.940 the same reason why. 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.100 That's OG, though, Nick. 0:29:50.780 --> 0:29:51.820 And I agreed with it. 0:29:53.340 --> 0:29:55.540 He was on his kumbaya shit, and he kind of 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.550 was like that here, but it was more shown as a. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.630 The Tupac line, you know, uh, cliche, uh, uh, I'm 0:30:02.670 --> 0:30:04.190 not a killer, but don't push me. Like he was 0:30:04.330 --> 0:30:07.390 always having that energy every room he was in. And I, 0:30:07.590 --> 0:30:09.250 I was more curious to be like, how did like, 0:30:09.530 --> 0:30:12.130 who's like, this is for real. And they took me 0:30:12.150 --> 0:30:14.260 to eight episodes and they did me like, okay, I 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.040 guess this for real. 0:30:15.740 --> 0:30:17.100 I believe Leon. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.360 He's the only one. 0:30:18.340 --> 0:30:20.980 Who I believe walking in, but that's because you had 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.300 the experience with him and Wanda from snowball. 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:24.760 Yeah. 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:25.220 Yeah. 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:26.400 I like Leon here, man. 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:31.430 Um, He got biddies coming up to him at the 0:30:31.490 --> 0:30:34.430 club talking about how he likes you and how he 0:30:34.450 --> 0:30:34.870 wants you. 0:30:34.930 --> 0:30:36.530 How did that happen? 0:30:36.550 --> 0:30:38.510 That's what I'm talking about. 0:30:38.610 --> 0:30:42.820 That's the only reason I'm saying. 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:43.780 I agree, y'all. 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.600 He should be respectable. I didn't know he had this 0:30:46.660 --> 0:30:49.260 much respect. He should have. 0:30:48.940 --> 0:30:50.760 Had this much respect, though. We got to think about 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:51.780 the context of Snowfall. 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.680 I'm sorry. 0:30:54.100 --> 0:30:56.430 I said it again. We got to think about the 0:30:56.470 --> 0:30:57.950 context of Snowfall, Nick. 0:30:57.990 --> 0:31:01.830 That's the respect that he would have three. 0:31:01.150 --> 0:31:03.530 Years prior to their run. Four years later. 0:31:03.550 --> 0:31:05.450 Four years prior to their run, they've been telling stories 0:31:05.490 --> 0:31:08.960 in the streets. You know Franklin fucked up now. Jerome dead. Yeah, 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.900 Leon the man. From moment one, I bought that. 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.500 Yeah, because remember, he faced Triple OG. Remember Triple OG dude? 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:17.719 The big dude. 0:31:17.780 --> 0:31:18.760 Leon stood up to him. 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.660 Yeah, he did. He did. 0:31:20.700 --> 0:31:23.160 He barely got out that motherfucker too, but yeah, he. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.680 Stood up to him. You're talking about Big Dean, right? 0:31:26.770 --> 0:31:27.720 Yeah. 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:34.750 I remember that, but again, it's like... I'm not saying 0:31:34.810 --> 0:31:37.350 I don't see why he's respected, period. I'm just saying 0:31:37.390 --> 0:31:38.969 to the umpteenth power. 0:31:39.250 --> 0:31:39.370 He is. 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.520 You could argue he's second billing, if not, like, they 0:31:45.540 --> 0:31:48.350 made Wanda be the first billing because it's her family, 0:31:48.390 --> 0:31:51.290 it's her world, it's her ideas. But Leon is a 0:31:51.410 --> 0:31:55.690 true second, like, a strong second billing. Like, almost plot proof. 0:31:56.190 --> 0:31:58.690 And they use that to the umpteenth hour is what 0:31:58.710 --> 0:32:00.709 I'm trying to say. And I didn't expect that. But 0:32:00.750 --> 0:32:02.600 I love the world they created, though. 0:32:04.070 --> 0:32:05.430 I actually liked it. 0:32:05.490 --> 0:32:08.770 I liked the respect that he had because it offered 0:32:08.810 --> 0:32:12.130 a layer of protection for everybody else that they would 0:32:12.170 --> 0:32:13.040 eventually need. 0:32:13.630 --> 0:32:15.520 So I thought, I thought it made sense. 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:20.760 God, but I'm with you like this, this, uh, pacifist, uh, 0:32:20.780 --> 0:32:24.000 I don't went to Africa and came back and lighten Lee, uh, Leon, 0:32:24.620 --> 0:32:26.960 you know, I remember him doing that and coming back 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.640 being different, but I was like, where's the guy that, 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.740 that we watched for all those years. 0:32:32.410 --> 0:32:34.170 When is he going to show back up? Where is that? 0:32:34.190 --> 0:32:36.120 And everybody else was kind of asking the same question. 0:32:37.180 --> 0:32:38.780 But it worked for the show, though. 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.160 The only thing I didn't like was that failing-ass law clinic. 0:32:42.220 --> 0:32:44.700 Rev, you don't stop talking about that shit. Get that 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:45.680 shit all the way out of my. 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:46.100 Head, bro. 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.140 We knew that wasn't going to work when Snowfall was on. 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.700 It was working. It was not. Nigga, they wasn't making 0:32:53.020 --> 0:32:53.400 no money. 0:32:53.420 --> 0:32:55.380 That's not the point. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.820 Well, I mean, it kind of is. They had to close, kid. 0:33:00.380 --> 0:33:03.959 They didn't have to close. Leon just closed it. He 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:08.540 was trying to save people from the streets. I guess, man. 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.280 Yeah, he was on some bullshit with that Matt Lockett, 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:15.590 whatever the hell kind of firm he was working. They 0:33:15.630 --> 0:33:19.370 really tried to make him the helpful gangbang. 0:33:19.410 --> 0:33:20.270 You know what I'm saying? 0:33:20.590 --> 0:33:23.850 Again, to the umpteenth power of what would a nigga 0:33:23.890 --> 0:33:25.630 who used to be in the gang but had enough 0:33:25.690 --> 0:33:29.590 resources to help... hood people, you know, he's like, oh, 0:33:29.590 --> 0:33:32.180 he will start his own, uh, what is it? 0:33:32.190 --> 0:33:36.740 What is he? Uh, he's literally what, uh, uh, whatever 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:37.380 he is. 0:33:37.460 --> 0:33:39.600 They probably based that character off of the dude that 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.160 got locked up not too long ago from LA. 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.040 Did they say it was extraordinary artist Big U? That's 0:33:44.060 --> 0:33:47.280 probably what they based it off of. All right. 0:33:47.300 --> 0:33:48.340 We're going to keep moving, man. 0:33:48.380 --> 0:33:51.320 Like, so, so in this episode, the episode's called Click Pop, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.220 by the way. Um, but, um, but basically we also have, 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.500 we haven't really talked about him, um, artillery. 0:33:56.590 --> 0:33:59.900 So basically they're trying to, he's a rapper on the street. 0:33:59.920 --> 0:34:00.780 They're trying to get him. 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:05.970 Wanda's trying to use him to get this rap deal. 0:34:06.570 --> 0:34:10.830 Presents it to DG, DG, Jenny, the big record exec, 0:34:11.050 --> 0:34:14.370 all of that. Did any of this stand out to y'all? 0:34:14.430 --> 0:34:18.430 From trying to get artillery on to him talking about 0:34:18.469 --> 0:34:22.790 police brutality, the police going after him, thinking he was dead, 0:34:23.530 --> 0:34:27.879 not dead, then produces this track that uh, Lamar makes 0:34:27.940 --> 0:34:28.379 for him. 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:30.219 Any of that stand out to y'all? 0:34:32.090 --> 0:34:34.620 It added a layer for me. I did like it. 0:34:35.150 --> 0:34:38.290 I liked it. They made the rapper guy kind of conscious. 0:34:38.370 --> 0:34:40.029 I liked it. They had him in the beef thing 0:34:40.050 --> 0:34:42.280 with the police. It made it interesting. I was like, okay, 0:34:42.820 --> 0:34:43.980 I want to see where they go with this and 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:44.600 hide his lens. 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:46.839 Gotcha. Anybody else? 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.640 Um, um, I think my biggest gripe with the show 0:34:50.700 --> 0:34:53.160 is that I'm not a hundred percent on board with 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.029 the whole music industry, drug industry. 0:34:56.050 --> 0:34:56.150 Hmm. 0:34:56.660 --> 0:35:00.239 Comparison so like this being like a snowfall for the 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.460 rap game I don't necessarily know if I'm on board 0:35:03.500 --> 0:35:09.640 with that so it made the whole this whole storyline 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.790 which honestly is the whole plot of the show fall 0:35:12.850 --> 0:35:15.170 a little flat for me but in terms of the 0:35:15.230 --> 0:35:18.310 characters I do like the character artillery I do like 0:35:18.810 --> 0:35:22.649 the way they show I guess the street life from 0:35:22.690 --> 0:35:26.790 his perspective and how that's actually influencing the music. 0:35:26.890 --> 0:35:29.190 Like, I think that that is kind of cool. 0:35:29.290 --> 0:35:30.830 And I think that all in all, I think the 0:35:30.870 --> 0:35:33.930 character and the actor who's playing the character is doing 0:35:33.950 --> 0:35:35.469 a really good job. Like, I feel like this is 0:35:35.510 --> 0:35:38.460 a real person. So I think that in that instance, 0:35:38.580 --> 0:35:41.940 it's good. But just overall, the whole storyline falls a 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:42.520 little flat for me. 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:50.799 Yeah, Buddy is the rapper named Buddy that's playing him. 0:35:50.940 --> 0:35:54.360 I'm hit or miss with artillery sometimes. I get his 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:58.090 conflict throughout the show. I like some of the things 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.830 he said later on, which we'll probably get to, or 0:36:00.890 --> 0:36:02.550 if I can remember when we get to the episode. 0:36:03.090 --> 0:36:08.989 But overall, I didn't think he was that bad. I 0:36:09.030 --> 0:36:13.160 didn't think he was that good either. You know, and 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.060 I think that was it. Like, he was, like, we 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.700 didn't even really see him bang a lot. I don't 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.799 even know if, like, was he retired or anything like that? 0:36:21.820 --> 0:36:24.549 He just was, you know, I think they say he 0:36:24.570 --> 0:36:26.650 was on both sides of the, you know. 0:36:27.190 --> 0:36:31.109 His family was Crips. His family was Crips. He ran 0:36:31.150 --> 0:36:33.989 in a blood neighborhood. But he wasn't a gangbanger. He 0:36:34.010 --> 0:36:36.250 was supposed to be on some Kendrick Lamar, Good Kid, 0:36:36.270 --> 0:36:38.910 Bad City shit. Like, I'm from here. I know all 0:36:38.930 --> 0:36:42.500 this stuff. All my people's gangbangs. I think that's what 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:43.880 they were trying to do with him. It's like, say, 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.460 he wasn't in the gang. 0:36:45.500 --> 0:36:49.060 He wasn't in the gang. But by association, he was 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.540 a blood. What did y'all think of Buddy? He did 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.080 a good job. He did a good job. I thought 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.200 it was decent. Yeah, I heard him talking about this role. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.180 He said it was a leap for him because he 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.160 grew up in a crip neighborhood and he just had 0:37:01.180 --> 0:37:03.640 to adjust to acting differently or whatever it may be. 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.520 But he said it was an adjustment for him and 0:37:06.540 --> 0:37:08.680 he wanted to expand his acting chops. But I think 0:37:08.700 --> 0:37:13.240 he did a good first. But I didn't buy Lomato. 0:37:13.420 --> 0:37:17.670 I had a hard time buying that. Lamar was supposed 0:37:17.690 --> 0:37:21.220 to be this musical genius. I just didn't buy it. 0:37:21.500 --> 0:37:23.100 He damn near ruined the show for me. 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:23.840 Can we talk. 0:37:23.860 --> 0:37:26.060 About why everybody likes Lamar? 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.640 Because he's trash. 0:37:28.820 --> 0:37:30.600 You've seen the show, Nate. 0:37:30.620 --> 0:37:34.010 And he's not a good producer. Yeah, he ain't even 0:37:34.030 --> 0:37:38.290 that good. If they had made him more talented, then 0:37:38.350 --> 0:37:41.130 maybe I would have liked him. But I was like, bro, 0:37:41.150 --> 0:37:41.950 why are you around? 0:37:42.190 --> 0:37:43.069 He didn't do it. 0:37:43.790 --> 0:37:45.989 They hyped him up like he's supposed to be the 0:37:46.070 --> 0:37:50.020 hood Quincy Jones, and he more so just a suburb 0:37:50.060 --> 0:37:50.680 Swiss beats. 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.000 I don't dislike Lamar. 0:37:56.140 --> 0:37:58.919 I get that he's annoying, and yeah, he absolutely did 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:00.640 annoy the hell out of me, but I feel like 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.910 what y'all said about DG, I feel like that's what 0:38:03.950 --> 0:38:07.630 he's supposed to do. He's supposed to be playing this autistic, different... 0:38:07.290 --> 0:38:09.650 I think he's supposed to have Asperger's. He's supposed to 0:38:09.670 --> 0:38:14.270 be this autistic, different kid in this environment and i 0:38:14.310 --> 0:38:17.719 think that i think that in real life yeah you 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.680 would annoy the hell out of people and you get 0:38:19.739 --> 0:38:23.819 absorbed and and self-centered and can't think outside of what 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.420 it is that you want like i don't i felt 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.390 like he did i feel like he's doing a good 0:38:27.430 --> 0:38:30.250 job and the fact that everybody hates him is testament 0:38:30.270 --> 0:38:31.669 to the fact that he is doing a good. 0:38:31.590 --> 0:38:33.549 Job i do agree with that last part but i 0:38:33.730 --> 0:38:35.790 also want to question throw a question out because this 0:38:35.810 --> 0:38:36.950 is one of the questions i want to discuss with 0:38:36.969 --> 0:38:38.089 y'all Is. 0:38:38.050 --> 0:38:39.390 Something wrong with him? 0:38:39.450 --> 0:38:41.680 Are we supposed to assume that? 0:38:41.930 --> 0:38:45.200 Because they never say a specific diagnosis. They just say 0:38:45.260 --> 0:38:46.100 he's special. 0:38:47.300 --> 0:38:51.540 He's a weird kid. 0:38:51.940 --> 0:38:54.140 Thank you, Nate. 0:38:54.420 --> 0:38:57.540 I thought he did because I didn't want to assume 0:38:57.580 --> 0:39:00.710 because that could be rude if you assume. But based 0:39:00.790 --> 0:39:03.250 on how he looked and how he acted, I was like, bruh. 0:39:03.940 --> 0:39:08.569 You just would have said he was the. 0:39:08.010 --> 0:39:10.109 R-word and kept it moving. 0:39:10.390 --> 0:39:14.170 But he's also not really, because what I love, Ken, 0:39:14.230 --> 0:39:18.190 is James kept checking his ass every time. He was like, stop, motherfuckers. 0:39:18.270 --> 0:39:18.900 Don't see it. 0:39:19.090 --> 0:39:19.930 He ain't shit. 0:39:20.750 --> 0:39:21.410 I know. 0:39:23.630 --> 0:39:26.990 And then he would, I feel like he was the, 0:39:27.030 --> 0:39:29.290 that's why the relationship was so interesting and because of 0:39:29.350 --> 0:39:29.969 how close they were. 0:39:30.110 --> 0:39:32.100 It put them at odds but also how close they 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:32.640 were to brought. 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:36.460 Them together because he would look at um james and 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:37.859 he'd be like bro you kind of are the only 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.299 one that can really see me for me and that's 0:39:40.340 --> 0:39:42.660 why i need you around because like I'm unaware of 0:39:42.700 --> 0:39:45.380 how I act sometimes. And you're the only one that 0:39:45.420 --> 0:39:47.340 kind of helps reel me in because Wanda couldn't do 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.500 it clearly because they both lied to each other all 0:39:49.540 --> 0:39:52.030 throughout this season. So to me, it was just like, 0:39:53.030 --> 0:39:55.250 I didn't really know if he's like just supposed to 0:39:55.270 --> 0:39:57.469 be a weird kid in LA and everybody calls you 0:39:57.489 --> 0:40:01.029 something different or there's actually something. 0:40:00.530 --> 0:40:02.710 Going on with him. Because Rod, that's what I thought 0:40:02.750 --> 0:40:04.890 episode five was going to reveal. It was like, oh, 0:40:04.930 --> 0:40:06.549 this is the why you act the way you act 0:40:06.610 --> 0:40:09.089 because it comes from your mom or something like that. 0:40:09.450 --> 0:40:12.930 Just to find out that her goofy ass, her husband 0:40:12.989 --> 0:40:17.299 had an argument in the car. Hey, that was the 0:40:17.340 --> 0:40:20.600 blackest thing I've seen so far in 2026. 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.180 You thought they was going to make him a crack baby. 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:29.770 I don't know, something like, yeah, like she took Franklin's 0:40:29.810 --> 0:40:30.969 heroin that it. 0:40:30.910 --> 0:40:33.969 Was, you know, tied together. Oh, shit, that's funny, man. 0:40:35.030 --> 0:40:37.950 Like it just ended up being a hood argument in 0:40:37.989 --> 0:40:40.089 a car and the worst case scenario. 0:40:40.110 --> 0:40:41.020 Cause it's TV. 0:40:41.540 --> 0:40:43.319 It was just. 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.259 Like, and we'll get there, man. We're going to move 0:40:46.340 --> 0:40:48.940 on to the next one. That street matrix is episode two. 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.960 And this is basically where Jenny offers to partner with, uh, 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:58.680 DJ's level, uh, label black banner, uh, suggested making Wanda like, uh, and, um, 0:40:59.340 --> 0:41:02.339 he accepts the condition, um, that she signs artillery. 0:41:03.300 --> 0:41:06.440 Uh, Like, Gertie is still being who she. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.239 Is because she's, like, she's because of Wanda's addiction. 0:41:10.260 --> 0:41:11.060 She know her past. 0:41:11.100 --> 0:41:12.440 What up, man? I'm just. 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:13.839 So, this is. 0:41:13.860 --> 0:41:16.680 One component that, like, I don't feel like it was 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.580 enough to be a cliffhanger, but what is Wanda's relationship 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:20.440 to these people? 0:41:21.300 --> 0:41:23.339 That's their cousin. Yeah, that's their cousin. 0:41:24.260 --> 0:41:26.610 So, that's her auntie. So, that's her mama's sister. 0:41:27.350 --> 0:41:29.250 Yeah. Well, where is her mama at? 0:41:30.270 --> 0:41:32.090 I think she was in a... I don't know. 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:34.460 I thought she was in Snowfall. 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:35.500 Yeah, yeah. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:39.799 I don't think she was involved or something like that. 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:40.800 Yeah, yeah. 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.589 I forgot what the reason was. I thought it was 0:41:42.620 --> 0:41:43.470 mentioned in Snowfall. 0:41:43.530 --> 0:41:45.049 Or at least that's what I'm assuming because I'm like, 0:41:45.530 --> 0:41:47.970 we could have spent a whole episode on Wanda's mama 0:41:48.070 --> 0:41:50.410 if we didn't know the background of it as opposed 0:41:50.469 --> 0:41:52.590 to this goofy ass nigga's mama. 0:41:53.110 --> 0:41:54.580 Even though she was fine, Lou. I ain't going to 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:54.940 hold you. 0:41:55.420 --> 0:41:56.259 Who? Which one? 0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.980 Lamar and Jay's mama. Oh, the dark skin. 0:42:01.219 --> 0:42:02.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.549 She was pretty. Yeah, she was pretty. Pretty lady. 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:05.420 I don't know. 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.810 Is she playing in something else? 0:42:07.830 --> 0:42:09.450 I feel like she's a singer. 0:42:09.510 --> 0:42:09.930 Oh, okay. 0:42:09.950 --> 0:42:10.509 She hit up that. 0:42:10.750 --> 0:42:13.009 Oh, man. She was killing it. 0:42:13.150 --> 0:42:16.430 What was that back-in-the-day movie, The Temptations, where the nigga 0:42:16.450 --> 0:42:17.410 was drunk at the piano? 0:42:17.590 --> 0:42:20.540 I was like, they stealing this scene from that. 0:42:21.340 --> 0:42:23.319 Y'all are determined to get to episode five. We're going 0:42:23.340 --> 0:42:24.100 to get there, man. 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:24.379 My bad. 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:33.219 We're going to get there. We're almost there, man. But yeah, 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.189 this is where all that happened. What else happens here? 0:42:37.550 --> 0:42:40.350 So yeah, this is where artillery, I feel like it 0:42:40.390 --> 0:42:41.850 was a silly scene where he had to get in 0:42:42.230 --> 0:42:45.649 the mail truck or whatever to get to the other 0:42:45.670 --> 0:42:48.509 side of the town. It was just, it seemed to 0:42:48.530 --> 0:42:50.680 be little stuff. I'm like, what show is this? 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:51.500 I didn't mind it. 0:42:51.580 --> 0:42:53.660 I didn't mind it. That was pretty cool. 0:42:54.300 --> 0:42:56.940 I get it, but I don't know, man. I'm still 0:42:56.980 --> 0:42:57.660 just like, okay. 0:42:57.700 --> 0:42:59.160 Because who would look in a mail truck? 0:42:59.980 --> 0:43:01.600 Gangsters don't get mail. 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.570 It made sense. 0:43:05.630 --> 0:43:12.089 Trust me, it made sense. James, he basically kicks them out. 0:43:12.130 --> 0:43:15.950 They really tap into gang culture here, especially with Bloods 0:43:15.989 --> 0:43:17.649 and Crystal. I thought they did a really good job, 0:43:17.690 --> 0:43:20.239 especially for it to be so in the 90s. like, 0:43:20.420 --> 0:43:22.899 it really showed, like, oh, no, no, Bloods and Crips 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.020 do not like each other. It's not like today, because 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:26.219 today they be. 0:43:26.180 --> 0:43:27.260 On rap songs together. 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.680 It seems like it's real friendly these days when it 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:32.470 comes to gangbang culture, but I feel like they really 0:43:32.489 --> 0:43:36.210 got tapped into, like, how these two rivalry gangs really 0:43:36.290 --> 0:43:37.430 don't like each other. 0:43:37.450 --> 0:43:40.690 Like, where you from? Everywhere you go, where you from, cuz? Like, 0:43:40.810 --> 0:43:44.270 everywhere you go. So we got that part. 0:43:46.270 --> 0:43:51.610 We also have Leon struggling to to fund his clinic. 0:43:52.150 --> 0:43:55.410 He declines Wanda's contract. 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:56.880 D.J. 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.640 Meets artillery to close a deal. He assaults Dara in 0:44:01.660 --> 0:44:05.930 the process of it. Yeah, Dara's kind of brought on. 0:44:05.969 --> 0:44:07.830 So we have all of those things going on right now. 0:44:07.850 --> 0:44:10.440 How did y'all feel about episode 24? 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.960 Is this the one where he got his ass whooped? 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:14.760 Who? 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:15.320 DG. 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:16.000 DG. 0:44:16.580 --> 0:44:19.940 Oh, my God. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:24.630 You know the 90s nigga. 0:44:24.670 --> 0:44:26.689 Why was that a 90s thing? 0:44:27.110 --> 0:44:31.370 Why was niggas cool with Speedos in the 90s? Like, 0:44:31.430 --> 0:44:33.810 niggas specifically. I get the white man. He wear whatever 0:44:33.830 --> 0:44:38.420 he want. I thought that was different. 0:44:38.460 --> 0:44:40.720 I think he was just being different, though, bro. 0:44:41.140 --> 0:44:42.629 Yeah, this is the episode where they stripped him down, 0:44:42.650 --> 0:44:42.989 for sure. 0:44:44.310 --> 0:44:46.549 I was shocked by that, Rod. I did not expect 0:44:46.570 --> 0:44:50.830 that scene. Because I was like... Because I was looking 0:44:50.870 --> 0:44:53.489 at that scene like, this is us. They're going to 0:44:53.550 --> 0:44:56.570 establish who he is moving forward based off this scene, right? 0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.120 Because it was so tense. It almost was like a 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.520 black Western. It was like, who's going to face off 0:45:02.540 --> 0:45:06.140 with who? You're surrounded by enemy bandits and all this shit. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:07.239 Is he going to pop off? 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:07.840 Is he going to get out? 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.960 So for the result, him being exactly like how any 0:45:12.980 --> 0:45:16.430 nigga would be treated, you getting stripped and your shit stolen, 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.730 was hilarious. And I never took him seriously since then. 0:45:19.770 --> 0:45:22.410 That's why I didn't understand y'all critique. Because I was like, 0:45:22.810 --> 0:45:24.730 y'all see the nigga get stripped. 0:45:24.350 --> 0:45:28.230 And his ass ripped? Hey, buddy was rocking his watch 0:45:28.270 --> 0:45:30.870 like it was his. Man, I swear he was, bro. 0:45:30.890 --> 0:45:32.090 The guy, he stole it from him. 0:45:32.250 --> 0:45:34.110 And the white guy was like, hey, you need to 0:45:34.170 --> 0:45:35.489 handle that, bro. 0:45:36.070 --> 0:45:39.589 And then he went to Lou. Lou, I strive for 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:40.819 that level of disrespect. 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:42.819 Oh, my God, yes. Because it's like, bro, he know 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:43.360 you got. 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.359 To be around this nigga all the time. And you 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.899 wearing his watch like it's yours. The white man didn't 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:49.620 even bring something up to him. He was like, nigga, 0:45:50.100 --> 0:45:51.020 I see this shit. 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:52.610 You see it wearing your shit? 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.150 Like, that's the ultimate level of disrespect. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:46:00.459 Right, which is why DG being presented as this tough guy, 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.670 and they definitely tried to do that, but it was 0:46:02.969 --> 0:46:04.810 after he got his ass whooped, when he tried to 0:46:04.830 --> 0:46:07.790 snatch up Wanda's, when he came through there. 0:46:07.950 --> 0:46:13.009 And then that motherfucker, hey, Leon outside, bro. Hey. All 0:46:13.030 --> 0:46:14.630 that shit changed. Hey, bro. 0:46:14.930 --> 0:46:17.140 But that was another reason why I didn't take him seriously, 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.509 because of how much he... Like, man, this is a 0:46:20.550 --> 0:46:22.930 lot of short kings, but they felt tall in their moments. 0:46:23.370 --> 0:46:24.770 Like, why are you beating up, when you're beating up 0:46:24.810 --> 0:46:25.790 on women and all that other. 0:46:25.710 --> 0:46:26.549 Shit, like, bro, you ain't. 0:46:26.850 --> 0:46:28.750 And then as soon as you, and then right after that, 0:46:28.770 --> 0:46:30.770 like you said, Ken, you hear like, oh, Leon right outside. 0:46:30.810 --> 0:46:33.910 He stopped all that shit. I was like, he a bitch. Like, 0:46:33.950 --> 0:46:35.469 that's how we supposed to take him. He a nigga 0:46:35.489 --> 0:46:37.380 that think he better than what he is. And I 0:46:37.410 --> 0:46:39.020 think they said that early on, too. 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:40.820 Yeah, I don't. 0:46:40.700 --> 0:46:44.240 Remember them saying that, but this was like... Him getting 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.990 his ass validated what I suspected about him. Because I'm like, 0:46:48.110 --> 0:46:51.569 there's no way this guy is that tough. And this 0:46:51.630 --> 0:46:55.430 was the scene that could have proved... that he was. 0:46:55.450 --> 0:46:59.649 Because he was talking a lot of shit. You know, $ 20, 000, 0:46:59.170 --> 0:47:01.569 is that what he's worth to you? Oh, will this 0:47:01.610 --> 0:47:03.969 help y'all stop shooting each other up across the street 0:47:04.010 --> 0:47:06.549 or whatever? I'm like, bro, what are you doing? And 0:47:06.570 --> 0:47:09.160 he was just talking to Dara like he wasn't surrounded. 0:47:10.500 --> 0:47:11.900 What the fuck are you doing? 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:15.360 His walker tried to walk off and whop right in 0:47:15.380 --> 0:47:16.719 the back of the head. 0:47:16.860 --> 0:47:19.500 And that's why that scene, Rob, was so funny to me. 0:47:19.540 --> 0:47:21.840 Because he was talking bad shit. 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:25.000 It was It made me think. 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.500 Of, like, if you're cornered, is that the last resort? 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:29.259 You know, like, if you know you're about to get jumped, 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.100 you know you're about to die or whatever. Like, Lou, 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:32.600 are you talking shit? Because, like, all right, I don't 0:47:32.620 --> 0:47:34.339 even know what's about to happen, so fuck it. I'm 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:35.460 going down B & B. 0:47:36.739 --> 0:47:39.850 I feel like him talking shit is what got him 0:47:39.890 --> 0:47:41.970 beat up. He didn't have to do that. Like, so 0:47:42.270 --> 0:47:42.710 he could. 0:47:42.590 --> 0:47:44.110 Have just went over there and gave him the money 0:47:45.010 --> 0:47:47.850 and got out of there. But he had to add 0:47:47.870 --> 0:47:49.469 the extra sauce on there, and that's why you got 0:47:49.510 --> 0:47:50.189 your ass whooped. 0:47:50.250 --> 0:47:54.220 So he deserved it. Every ounce of that ass whooping. 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:58.770 He wasn't talking shit after it was already a foregone 0:47:58.790 --> 0:48:00.390 conclusion he was going to get his ass whooped, Nick. 0:48:00.830 --> 0:48:02.950 That ass whooping came from him talking shit. 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:05.600 Oh, okay. 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.640 Well, I was also going to ask, Nate, do you 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.940 think that Daria was going to basically try to extort 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.920 him like this and regardless i think she was just 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:15.860 looking for a reason because the way because rod you 0:48:15.900 --> 0:48:17.680 mentioned this is another character that we get introduced to 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.400 like they were also establishing who she was in this 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:21.860 scene and i was like oh she looks like she 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.360 don't she's a light-skinned demon you know i'm saying like 0:48:24.380 --> 0:48:26.840 you think she's sweet but like this motherfucking dark skin 0:48:26.890 --> 0:48:29.390 and a and a and a blood leader like what 0:48:29.410 --> 0:48:31.890 are you talking about she ain't she looking for a reason. 0:48:32.310 --> 0:48:34.910 Yeah the way she like introducing her in this scene 0:48:34.950 --> 0:48:37.710 like you knew she was up to something. So I 0:48:37.750 --> 0:48:40.330 didn't know. I can't necessarily say that I knew that, 0:48:40.910 --> 0:48:45.759 but it was not surprising. And just simply being a 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:49.280 woman in that type of male company, she's. 0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.840 Got to exert some sort of dominance in that space. 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.700 So it was to be expected, to be honest. 0:48:55.500 --> 0:48:57.650 I do like that they did this, though, because I 0:48:57.670 --> 0:49:00.250 think that's a thing in LA. It's a thing everywhere. 0:49:00.810 --> 0:49:02.669 They've been taking care of the dude. They've been putting 0:49:02.690 --> 0:49:05.920 money in, providing studio time. You can't just come sign 0:49:05.940 --> 0:49:07.460 him whether we got a contract with him or not. 0:49:07.500 --> 0:49:10.100 We need something for what we've been doing for him. 0:49:10.100 --> 0:49:12.290 But what his mistake was, if y'all do need something, 0:49:12.290 --> 0:49:14.049 y'all need to come to the office and get it. 0:49:14.050 --> 0:49:16.530 Like, I ain't coming nowhere near where y'all hang out at, nigga. 0:49:16.660 --> 0:49:17.719 Y'all come up here and get this. 0:49:17.739 --> 0:49:20.520 Like, because two things is they know you out of 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.580 pocket because you in there, like, surrounded. 0:49:22.980 --> 0:49:24.279 And you probably got cash money on you. 0:49:25.500 --> 0:49:25.879 Like, nah. 0:49:25.940 --> 0:49:30.120 Well, the thing is, Wanda, even though she didn't, she 0:49:30.140 --> 0:49:31.310 did low-key set him up. 0:49:31.510 --> 0:49:31.690 Like. 0:49:32.820 --> 0:49:34.100 That's the real life movie. 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.940 He should have knew better. No, no, no, no, no, no. 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.930 That ain't one of the fault. Her place to know that, 0:49:40.010 --> 0:49:41.969 like her place is to put the deal together. Like 0:49:42.290 --> 0:49:44.170 I got them in touch with each other. You supposed 0:49:44.190 --> 0:49:45.790 to know how to navigate out here in these streets 0:49:45.850 --> 0:49:47.379 if you this big guy. 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:48.299 Well, that's what I'm saying. 0:49:48.340 --> 0:49:49.719 She didn't do this. I know she didn't. 0:49:49.739 --> 0:49:51.240 I'm not saying she did. I'm just saying. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.700 Based off of what she should have also kind of 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.149 knew based on how this nigga is you probably should 0:49:56.190 --> 0:49:58.430 have said invite them to the office instead of going 0:49:58.710 --> 0:50:00.990 I'm going to say her advice was like just be. 0:50:00.810 --> 0:50:03.580 Nice treat it like a drug deal like I feel 0:50:03.620 --> 0:50:04.500 what you're saying. 0:50:06.230 --> 0:50:11.090 She know his personality. She was doing. 0:50:10.870 --> 0:50:14.830 Some crackhead shit in this, even though she wasn't on crackhead. 0:50:15.210 --> 0:50:18.390 Why are you saying this thing? Say what you want 0:50:18.430 --> 0:50:20.049 to say. Why are you saying that thing? 0:50:20.170 --> 0:50:22.360 Wanda has crackhead tendencies. 0:50:22.510 --> 0:50:25.759 It was inevitable for her to have been strung out. 0:50:26.020 --> 0:50:28.420 She's so manipulative. 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:28.980 She is. 0:50:30.020 --> 0:50:33.339 she is moving like she is still trying to get 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.020 that hit and to a certain extent she is but 0:50:36.500 --> 0:50:41.470 she is a crackhead through and through she is playing everybody. 0:50:40.850 --> 0:50:47.129 In this show facts if you know anybody. 0:50:45.650 --> 0:50:48.709 She's playing everybody in this show yes she absolutely set 0:50:48.770 --> 0:50:51.350 him up that's why she was fucking like a crack 0:50:51.370 --> 0:50:53.050 like you said like a drug deal like you supposed 0:50:53.070 --> 0:50:56.160 to she knows she's really not that dude and she 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.380 put him in a position to be exposed for not being. 0:50:59.140 --> 0:50:59.620 That dude. 0:51:01.260 --> 0:51:05.120 Good point. Y'all are right. So, yeah. I'll go ahead. 0:51:06.180 --> 0:51:11.219 The first episode when she sold that car and that 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:12.110 dude rolled up. 0:51:13.750 --> 0:51:14.550 He was like, Wanda. 0:51:17.730 --> 0:51:18.730 Oh, hell no. 0:51:19.770 --> 0:51:26.759 Oh, hell no. What's crazy is all this. And what's crazy, Nate, 0:51:26.820 --> 0:51:29.860 the look that she had wasn't of sadness because she 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:31.880 was like, damn, I can't get rid of this snitch 0:51:31.900 --> 0:51:32.900 that I have from my past. 0:51:33.260 --> 0:51:34.560 It was the fact that he was right. 0:51:35.020 --> 0:51:37.419 She knew he was right. She knew he was right. 0:51:37.460 --> 0:51:38.360 That's what their face was. 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.200 You never buy a car from a crackhead. 0:51:40.260 --> 0:51:41.580 No, hell no. 0:51:42.500 --> 0:51:45.080 It was a really good... So I will say that 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.400 I feel like this show... I'm excited. I am excited. 0:51:48.420 --> 0:51:49.739 You know, I'm not a fan. 0:51:49.780 --> 0:51:51.800 I am excited to see what they do next season, 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:53.460 because I do think that that was a really good 0:51:53.500 --> 0:51:57.540 way of setting up exactly what Wanda's motivation is. 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.040 This whole season. Right. 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:01.020 Because she's trying to get rid of this stigma and 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:02.760 she's trying to find something for herself. 0:52:03.140 --> 0:52:05.660 And she's going to try and get there by any means. 0:52:06.060 --> 0:52:08.510 So I think I thought that was a really, really 0:52:08.570 --> 0:52:11.350 good scene for opening up the motivation for the rest. 0:52:11.190 --> 0:52:11.509 Of the show. 0:52:12.540 --> 0:52:14.319 Okay, so yeah, man, we're going to keep moving because 0:52:14.340 --> 0:52:16.399 we just don't have too many to get going. 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.880 So the way we close this out is that. 0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:26.210 Basically DG obviously wants to retaliate, but Leon convinces him 0:52:26.230 --> 0:52:27.030 to calm down. 0:52:27.090 --> 0:52:29.290 He goes and he shows like how you was. 0:52:29.130 --> 0:52:33.050 Talking about Nick, how he shows that he like triple 0:52:33.130 --> 0:52:36.589 OG gangster. He rolls up to the diner and meets 0:52:36.610 --> 0:52:38.899 with Dara and them and tell them basically, you know, 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.149 to do right. How did y'all feel about how this 0:52:42.270 --> 0:52:44.680 whole thing came to a close when we have Liam 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:49.160 coming into the fold to kind of rectify everything. 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.100 I did like that scene, and I think that may 0:52:54.140 --> 0:52:58.100 have been, like, the first moment, first time he called 0:52:58.140 --> 0:52:58.700 Dara out. 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.890 She was like, he coming here by himself? Oh, yeah. 0:53:03.050 --> 0:53:04.989 Everybody said that. Yeah, damn. 0:53:05.050 --> 0:53:05.270 Yeah. 0:53:07.170 --> 0:53:07.770 Yeah. 0:53:07.810 --> 0:53:11.750 So now, but I love that conversation because, you know, 0:53:11.770 --> 0:53:14.830 it was like, look, this is just about business and 0:53:14.870 --> 0:53:17.189 you got to make a decision one way or the other. 0:53:17.430 --> 0:53:18.569 And which one is it going to be? 0:53:19.350 --> 0:53:22.779 And and I'm giving you an opportunity to be a 0:53:22.820 --> 0:53:26.380 part of this as we move forward. And she didn't 0:53:26.420 --> 0:53:28.400 really know. She didn't know what the play was. And 0:53:28.420 --> 0:53:31.230 he just kind of just be the manager. And that'll 0:53:31.270 --> 0:53:34.870 keep you on, and you'll be there along for the ride. 0:53:35.410 --> 0:53:38.129 So I did like this scene. I like this scene. 0:53:38.270 --> 0:53:42.040 I like how the OGs let it be known that 0:53:42.060 --> 0:53:43.700 they are the OGs, and they were like, this is 0:53:43.780 --> 0:53:46.339 our neighborhood. Don't be coming up here with that dumb 0:53:46.380 --> 0:53:48.300 shit that y'all normally do. 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.480 Respect what's going on here, too. So I like that 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:51.259 part as well. 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:56.210 Anything else on this one? Beginning of the bullshit with Dara. 0:53:57.469 --> 0:54:01.569 I will say, for me, I love this scene again, culturally. Rod, 0:54:01.610 --> 0:54:05.370 I know you remember this scene. The story cuz said 0:54:05.630 --> 0:54:08.330 before they got there, while they all sitting at the diner, 0:54:08.350 --> 0:54:10.690 he was just like, how he beat that nigga ass 0:54:10.770 --> 0:54:12.430 over a honey bun. You know what I'm saying? How 0:54:12.469 --> 0:54:13.759 he bends in front of that nigga. 0:54:14.010 --> 0:54:16.739 You know what I'm saying? He's saying shit like that. 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:19.060 I love the scene just off of that alone. 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.680 Again, I don't know how accurate that is as far 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:25.100 as a depiction of how they talk and just shit 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:25.380 they do. 0:54:26.090 --> 0:54:27.750 But like that shit was just, I fucked with that. 0:54:28.550 --> 0:54:30.230 It was very LA. I fucked with it too. 0:54:31.150 --> 0:54:32.150 Yeah. 0:54:32.290 --> 0:54:35.250 And this ends with, we see DG basically calls the wolf, 0:54:35.270 --> 0:54:38.239 the triple OG dude that we know from Snowfall to 0:54:38.300 --> 0:54:38.700 come in. 0:54:38.739 --> 0:54:40.980 And that's where we see like, oh snap. Okay. 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:45.640 We got another Snowfall character. Like one of the good 0:54:45.660 --> 0:54:46.819 Snowfall characters at that. 0:54:47.340 --> 0:54:48.200 Yeah. What was it? 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:48.460 Big D? 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.180 I'm glad they brought him in. Yeah. 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:50.379 Yeah. 0:54:50.420 --> 0:54:50.560 Yeah. 0:54:50.580 --> 0:54:50.700 Yeah. 0:54:51.750 --> 0:54:54.350 I was only surprised that he still had that much 0:54:54.390 --> 0:54:56.630 respect after getting his ass beat by Leon. 0:54:56.690 --> 0:55:00.069 Well, he still had respect because Leon, that just put 0:55:00.090 --> 0:55:02.740 Leon on top, but other people still respected him. 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.820 Yeah, that was serious. He whooping everybody else's ass. Right. 0:55:05.980 --> 0:55:09.200 Who gonna say something? 0:55:09.219 --> 0:55:09.480 Right. 0:55:09.540 --> 0:55:16.600 All right, man. We're moving on to the next episode 0:55:16.620 --> 0:55:18.440 of Family Matters. I feel like this is probably one 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.230 of the weaker episodes in my opinion. Um, This is 0:55:21.290 --> 0:55:24.330 where Artillery becomes a wanted man after releasing a song 0:55:24.390 --> 0:55:28.899 about the officer needing a verse for his new track, 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:32.580 Lamar Goes, looking for him in the crip territory. Wanda 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.540 and Dara, they find rapper concerned with staying alive to 0:55:35.739 --> 0:55:42.009 meet the deadline. Artillery's associate strikes Lamar in this episode. 0:55:43.190 --> 0:55:48.040 James knocks that man out. And Pauly's raids ends with 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.259 both brothers arrested. I don't know if y'all remember that 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.890 because he went into the blood. 0:55:53.110 --> 0:55:54.569 James was so gangster, bro. 0:55:54.670 --> 0:55:56.069 James was a great character. 0:55:56.110 --> 0:55:58.529 This episode did have that moment that I really liked. 0:55:59.290 --> 0:56:01.430 But that's what I'm saying. The show just has moments 0:56:01.450 --> 0:56:07.610 for me. And then Leonard Vance, Post Bell, and Leon 0:56:07.630 --> 0:56:11.360 drives him home. Big Daddy is furious. Gertie's furious. Still 0:56:13.180 --> 0:56:15.480 mad about this whole music business thing. So that's still like, 0:56:15.989 --> 0:56:21.190 luring over this whole series. Macroscope and Jenny struggles to 0:56:21.230 --> 0:56:23.230 convince her colleagues and her dad. 0:56:24.530 --> 0:56:25.910 And then Leon goes. 0:56:25.770 --> 0:56:32.189 Back and contacts Wolf, threatening to peace Leon Broker. So 0:56:32.310 --> 0:56:34.810 that all happened in this episode. Anything that stand out 0:56:35.290 --> 0:56:38.450 in the midst of all of that with this episode? 0:56:39.610 --> 0:56:42.730 I like the thing where James was protecting him. 0:56:43.270 --> 0:56:44.529 And when they went in the house and the raid 0:56:44.550 --> 0:56:46.759 and the things. And Big Daddy wasn't mad. Remember, Big 0:56:46.780 --> 0:56:49.180 Daddy was like, this is what I want you to 0:56:49.219 --> 0:56:52.400 be doing. I like that dynamic of it, too, in 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.610 a sense of when he told him he wanted to 0:56:54.650 --> 0:56:56.410 take over the whole shop or whatever, and he was 0:56:56.430 --> 0:56:58.410 telling him, well, you ain't ready yet. And then he 0:56:58.430 --> 0:56:59.790 went out and done this, and he showed him that 0:56:59.810 --> 0:57:01.650 he does care about his family and things like that. 0:57:01.890 --> 0:57:04.670 I liked how they put that together. But, yeah, that 0:57:04.690 --> 0:57:06.280 was the biggest thing about this episode. I just needed 0:57:06.300 --> 0:57:08.120 more old James, less on Lamar. 0:57:08.860 --> 0:57:10.340 Nate, did you ever see the quad? 0:57:11.620 --> 0:57:12.300 The quad? 0:57:13.650 --> 0:57:16.930 It had the first Disney princess. I forget her name, 0:57:17.190 --> 0:57:17.730 the actress. 0:57:17.810 --> 0:57:18.370 It had her name. 0:57:18.650 --> 0:57:20.650 That's where I remember James from, the character, the actor 0:57:20.670 --> 0:57:21.210 who plays James. 0:57:21.250 --> 0:57:22.090 He was on that show. 0:57:22.570 --> 0:57:25.320 So that's the reason why. And yeah, so Lou was 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.420 kind of in some nigga territory, but it wasn't the 0:57:27.500 --> 0:57:31.720 one show you mentioned. But he stood out a lot 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.140 after this scene. What I hated, Rob, was the fact 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:36.040 that we didn't get to see the fight. Like it 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:40.020 was kind of just like, that felt that, that diminished 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:41.640 the show to me. Cause I was like, we seen 0:57:41.660 --> 0:57:42.850 Jerome get down in the streets. 0:57:42.870 --> 0:57:44.870 Why y'all got the budget for us to see, uh, 0:57:44.890 --> 0:57:45.250 what's his name? 0:57:45.290 --> 0:57:45.710 Problem. 0:57:45.750 --> 0:57:46.210 The rapper. 0:57:46.530 --> 0:57:49.850 I guess he must've been in his contract. I can 0:57:49.870 --> 0:57:52.370 lose his fight, but you can't. 0:57:52.410 --> 0:57:52.630 Yeah. 0:57:53.570 --> 0:57:55.360 Um, but I wanted to see that cause that would 0:57:55.380 --> 0:57:57.420 heighten this episode for me, even though it was a 0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.980 great episode. And I really also loved the ending of 0:58:00.020 --> 0:58:02.340 it where he's telling his brother, like how to get through, 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:03.480 like being processed. 0:58:04.010 --> 0:58:06.310 Like, in real time. Yeah, that was good, too. That 0:58:06.330 --> 0:58:06.970 was real good, too. 0:58:07.530 --> 0:58:09.470 And you're talking about taking the shoe strings and shit. 0:58:10.190 --> 0:58:11.840 So, yeah, I liked it. It was some nice, small 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.000 niggas in there. This was a strong episode, actually. 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:15.180 It was. 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:16.800 Yeah, now that I think about it, it was a 0:58:17.300 --> 0:58:18.200 decent episode. 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:20.080 Yeah. I'm interested by this point. Yeah. 0:58:20.140 --> 0:58:22.600 Once J-Lo goes up in there with All In Buds, 0:58:22.700 --> 0:58:26.850 and we have that tension, and then we get angry 0:58:26.890 --> 0:58:29.610 at Lamar. Because then that's when he changed the record 0:58:29.650 --> 0:58:30.630 player or something like that. 0:58:30.650 --> 0:58:31.290 He cut it off. 0:58:31.470 --> 0:58:31.610 Yeah. 0:58:31.670 --> 0:58:31.810 Yeah. 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:38.860 This is when he went and had that fight. 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.560 I was into it by this point. 0:58:43.460 --> 0:58:44.240 Anything for you, Cam? 0:58:46.220 --> 0:58:50.500 Unlike you guys, I was struggling with James as a character. 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:54.590 His accent, the way he was moving around, none of 0:58:54.630 --> 0:58:58.870 that shit seemed believable to me at all. 0:58:58.910 --> 0:59:02.330 It seemed like all that shit was just fucking forced 0:59:02.410 --> 0:59:10.360 and fake. I did like this scene. James. Everything. about it. 0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:12.740 He kind of eventually got there. 0:59:12.860 --> 0:59:14.460 They kept telling us how. 0:59:26.030 --> 0:59:28.710 Tough he was. Like Leon was like, yeah, I pulled 0:59:28.730 --> 0:59:29.330 your profile. 0:59:29.370 --> 0:59:33.000 You know, you legit, you know, later on, but you know, 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:35.720 we knew he was in the streets and all this 0:59:35.780 --> 0:59:36.320 other stuff. 0:59:37.500 --> 0:59:40.890 But I'm with you guys. Like seeing it would have 0:59:40.910 --> 0:59:42.090 been seeing. 0:59:41.930 --> 0:59:45.890 That fight would have been, would have been great. But no, 0:59:46.010 --> 0:59:47.870 I struggle with, and it probably was after, but yeah, 0:59:47.890 --> 0:59:49.970 I struggle with, with, with James. I started to like 0:59:49.990 --> 0:59:52.930 him a little bit more. This scene did help a 0:59:52.950 --> 0:59:56.290 little bit, the way he walked in. This seemed believable 0:59:56.410 --> 1:00:00.710 compared to all the other ones. But, yeah, no, I 1:00:00.750 --> 1:00:03.310 didn't rock with James in the same way you guys did. 1:00:04.030 --> 1:00:04.630 Interesting. 1:00:05.050 --> 1:00:05.390 Interesting. 1:00:05.430 --> 1:00:07.990 I mean, because even, like, this is episode two. It's like, 1:00:08.030 --> 1:00:10.790 you know, just use my name. From here on out, 1:00:10.810 --> 1:00:13.280 just use my name. Say my name, and you'll get 1:00:13.300 --> 1:00:13.760 the respect. 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:14.860 In the street. 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:19.960 And it didn't work because they took his shit. No, 1:00:19.980 --> 1:00:21.840 he said that's how it go though. He said that's 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:23.160 how it go though. 1:00:23.420 --> 1:00:26.480 It worked in a barbershop. And then in actual streets. 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.600 No, it worked in jail. It worked in jail because 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.060 he would have got his ass whipped in jail. That's 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:30.840 what he was saying. 1:00:30.970 --> 1:00:33.570 I'm saying out in the streets though. 1:00:33.590 --> 1:00:37.470 I mean, it kind of worked. All they did was 1:00:37.490 --> 1:00:39.710 knock him out. They could have really messed him up. 1:00:39.930 --> 1:00:41.390 I mean, they took his shit. Yeah. 1:00:42.450 --> 1:00:44.730 They literally said, fuck you and your brother. 1:00:46.050 --> 1:00:47.710 Right, but they just hit him once. 1:00:49.630 --> 1:00:50.770 He broke his arm, didn't he? 1:00:52.090 --> 1:00:55.490 Oh, he did. You're right. 1:00:55.750 --> 1:00:56.370 You're right. Touche. 1:00:56.410 --> 1:01:00.640 All right, man. So we're moving on to the next episode, 1:01:00.820 --> 1:01:03.040 episode four. I think this is the episode where it 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:05.160 brought you in because you've seen the influence scene. 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:07.120 Is that your man or not? 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:14.900 But outside of that scene, this is where... Basically, it's 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.890 called The Big Push, and this is where.... 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:19.030 Damn. 1:01:19.340 --> 1:01:20.510 They got the hit on the streets. 1:01:20.750 --> 1:01:21.210 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:01:21.250 --> 1:01:25.670 Basically gave them like, all right, this is how you 1:01:25.730 --> 1:01:30.650 move product, basically. And yeah, this was basically centered around 1:01:31.110 --> 1:01:33.890 them moving the product and them actually getting the sales, 1:01:33.950 --> 1:01:34.669 selling out the trunk. 1:01:34.730 --> 1:01:35.710 I thought it was pretty cool. 1:01:36.750 --> 1:01:38.410 And then, like I said, you see the infamous scene 1:01:38.430 --> 1:01:42.440 with Dara, and we basically like, like in like that. 1:01:42.460 --> 1:01:45.580 So anything that stands out about the big push episode four. 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:48.420 Before, before y'all get to the scene or whatever, um, 1:01:49.910 --> 1:01:53.130 I did, I did like how she went to Leon 1:01:53.210 --> 1:01:56.150 or she took the way Leon move and started moving 1:01:56.430 --> 1:01:57.110 the tapes like that. 1:01:57.150 --> 1:01:58.610 I thought all of that shit was. 1:01:58.550 --> 1:02:01.290 Dope because they were making a lot of money because 1:02:01.330 --> 1:02:04.280 the cost to produce the music at that time wasn't 1:02:04.340 --> 1:02:05.140 really that much. 1:02:05.620 --> 1:02:07.480 You know, they could, they can make. 1:02:07.060 --> 1:02:11.360 A cassette tape for almost, um, $ 2, uh, And then 1:02:11.380 --> 1:02:13.000 they're selling it for whatever on top. 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:14.510 And then, you know, they keep the rest. So I 1:02:14.510 --> 1:02:16.610 thought all of that shit was dope. They really didn't 1:02:16.650 --> 1:02:17.750 even need the fucking label. 1:02:18.130 --> 1:02:23.030 Ken, I, you brought, we only, very rarely do we 1:02:23.050 --> 1:02:24.870 think alike. This is one of those instances. 1:02:26.250 --> 1:02:29.660 The way they, because as someone who grew up in 1:02:29.740 --> 1:02:31.640 a time where you actually had to buy physical copies, 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.040 this is something that's going to look so foreign to 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:37.320 like kids who were born past 2010. You know what 1:02:37.340 --> 1:02:39.500 I'm saying? Like where there's not digital media anymore. Because 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:41.900 that's the only way you can actually explain how they 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.100 made that much money or like how you had to 1:02:44.180 --> 1:02:45.200 get music back. 1:02:45.060 --> 1:02:45.480 In the day. 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:48.030 Like even I grew up in the last mixtape era 1:02:48.090 --> 1:02:50.350 where like Wayne and Gucci, like you actually had some 1:02:50.390 --> 1:02:53.410 of them had to be physical copies and shit because 1:02:53.630 --> 1:02:55.940 like you weren't going to hear it anywhere else. So 1:02:56.020 --> 1:02:57.680 I love the fact, and they also like how they 1:02:57.720 --> 1:02:59.800 try to equate it to drugs even more, like the 1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:00.540 packaging of it. 1:03:00.700 --> 1:03:01.280 It stood out. 1:03:01.420 --> 1:03:03.660 It wasn't like on a regular white cassette tape. 1:03:04.030 --> 1:03:05.700 It was on some orange shit where it was like, oh, 1:03:05.710 --> 1:03:07.510 I know this is it because I've seen it. 1:03:07.630 --> 1:03:10.750 And I love the system that they did for that. 1:03:10.910 --> 1:03:12.730 I really felt with it. And that also made me 1:03:12.750 --> 1:03:14.690 question why the fuck she kept going back to the label. 1:03:14.750 --> 1:03:15.730 But we'll get to that later. 1:03:16.770 --> 1:03:18.410 I'm in agreement with y'all. We tripped for that. 1:03:18.570 --> 1:03:22.050 I wish someone was around that was like, why? I 1:03:22.070 --> 1:03:24.010 wish someone had asked the question that y'all did. 1:03:24.450 --> 1:03:24.890 On the show. 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:26.760 Why are we going to the label? We just made 1:03:26.780 --> 1:03:29.419 this much money. It's on plan already. What we need 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:30.890 them for. I wish somebody had asked it. 1:03:33.300 --> 1:03:35.960 I will say, yes, I do like to Ken's point. 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:38.440 I do like the fact that Wanda's going to be on. 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.520 Like she went to get the loan from him or whatever. 1:03:41.660 --> 1:03:46.430 But y'all got to also remember. she's a crackhead but 1:03:46.470 --> 1:03:50.210 she was around like she was cooking and watching all 1:03:50.230 --> 1:03:54.310 of this so while yes she's using leon's connection because 1:03:54.330 --> 1:03:57.190 she's a crackhead she also knows what she's doing too 1:03:57.230 --> 1:04:00.970 because she actually watched them build the business all. 1:04:03.430 --> 1:04:08.110 Right uh So what's the thing about this scene? So 1:04:08.150 --> 1:04:09.710 this was a thing that was floating around? 1:04:10.090 --> 1:04:11.450 Yeah, bro. I completely missed it. 1:04:11.610 --> 1:04:13.830 And it's a trend on social media now that people 1:04:13.930 --> 1:04:15.830 are doing it. They voicing over it and doing the 1:04:15.850 --> 1:04:16.650 walk and everything. 1:04:17.350 --> 1:04:18.210 Are y'all serious? 1:04:18.490 --> 1:04:18.770 Yes. 1:04:18.950 --> 1:04:22.180 It's a whole trend. It's a whole. 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:23.980 It don't take much for it to be a trend. 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:26.980 Angela Simmons did it. Angela Simmons did it like a 1:04:26.980 --> 1:04:29.970 wet mop. She had the sex appeal of a wet 1:04:30.010 --> 1:04:33.410 mop when she did. Nigga, who is right to be like, nah, 1:04:33.450 --> 1:04:35.990 I'm straight. I'm straight. 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:40.400 I couldn't believe this scene. I thought it was somebody 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:43.700 else talking. I couldn't believe it was her when she 1:04:43.740 --> 1:04:47.280 walked out. So, yeah, I totally missed it. I thought 1:04:47.300 --> 1:04:48.860 y'all were talking about something else. 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:51.200 Again, Ken, and to do it out of all the niggas, Leon, 1:04:51.280 --> 1:04:53.210 I was like, oh, he must do that. 1:04:53.250 --> 1:04:54.350 He gotta be that nigga. 1:04:54.590 --> 1:04:58.310 He gotta be that nigga. And I'll speak again on her. 1:04:59.350 --> 1:05:01.840 I can't tell if she's a good actor or not 1:05:02.410 --> 1:05:05.060 because there's certain things that she's doing because she ain't 1:05:05.100 --> 1:05:09.280 really doing shit. they they gave her like her script 1:05:09.340 --> 1:05:14.120 ken is about two paragraphs if that and that's for five. 1:05:13.980 --> 1:05:17.590 Episodes yeah you just gotta be but the way she's 1:05:17.650 --> 1:05:20.810 going about it like you gotta be menacing because like 1:05:20.890 --> 1:05:23.490 even the white lady uh and somebody else like this 1:05:23.550 --> 1:05:27.050 devil looking nice girl like she can feel her energy 1:05:27.070 --> 1:05:30.120 and how what she's been like trying to like expose 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:33.280 in her aura but like She's doing subtle things that 1:05:33.340 --> 1:05:34.560 a seasoned actor would do. 1:05:34.700 --> 1:05:35.340 You know what I'm saying? 1:05:35.360 --> 1:05:36.500 And I was like, I like that, but at the 1:05:36.520 --> 1:05:38.400 same time, I don't really have too much evidence to 1:05:38.420 --> 1:05:39.120 say she's really good. 1:05:39.140 --> 1:05:42.770 I do feel like her role got diminished after this, though. 1:05:43.290 --> 1:05:44.730 It definitely did. It definitely did. 1:05:44.850 --> 1:05:49.270 She was like one of the... She came in, people 1:05:49.330 --> 1:05:53.190 respected her. and listen to her. And I think later on, 1:05:53.210 --> 1:05:58.680 we found out she's the daughter of one of the Tico. 1:05:58.950 --> 1:05:59.200 Yeah. 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:02.100 So that helps, but it's like, after this, she just 1:06:02.140 --> 1:06:04.080 became Leo Leon's girl. 1:06:05.500 --> 1:06:07.200 That's true. I feel you on that. That's true. 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:07.620 Yeah. 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.900 Yeah. You're right. Ken, cause you would have thought she 1:06:10.920 --> 1:06:12.880 would have took on a bigger role after that moment. 1:06:13.260 --> 1:06:13.520 Right. 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:16.530 That was a big moment for her. Um, but yeah, 1:06:16.570 --> 1:06:19.090 it just, it, I don't know. It didn't really... Her 1:06:19.110 --> 1:06:20.530 character didn't really do much after that. 1:06:20.590 --> 1:06:21.910 Well, she lost her muscle. 1:06:22.310 --> 1:06:22.690 Yeah. 1:06:23.410 --> 1:06:29.010 So, like, the dude that kept her protected got killed. So, 1:06:29.350 --> 1:06:31.840 I think a lot of what she could have been 1:06:32.510 --> 1:06:35.420 became diminished because of that as well. 1:06:36.660 --> 1:06:38.580 It started with that, though. Because. 1:06:39.140 --> 1:06:42.360 Is that in the next episode when she got snatched 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:43.820 up by Big D? 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.420 I think so. But, yeah, I mean, to your point, she. 1:06:48.150 --> 1:06:51.970 she put herself in a position to be like a 1:06:51.990 --> 1:06:54.990 boss's girl, which is not going to get the same 1:06:55.030 --> 1:06:58.290 respect as the role that she was playing before. But 1:06:58.310 --> 1:07:01.050 I also think part of her was kind of inching 1:07:01.210 --> 1:07:03.330 out of that position and trying to move into. 1:07:03.130 --> 1:07:06.870 This position as like manager of artillery. So I think, 1:07:07.670 --> 1:07:09.310 I think that she's doing a really good job to 1:07:09.350 --> 1:07:10.030 your point, Nick. 1:07:10.110 --> 1:07:11.810 I think she's actually a really good actress. 1:07:12.310 --> 1:07:16.710 I believe this character is, But I feel like maybe 1:07:16.890 --> 1:07:18.670 they don't know what to do with this. 1:07:18.750 --> 1:07:21.090 Yeah, it really looked like it felt like that because 1:07:21.110 --> 1:07:23.640 I was like, why are y'all giving her smaller parts? 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:24.960 That's what I'm saying. Like her. 1:07:25.340 --> 1:07:28.100 I don't remember her speaking that much post that that 1:07:28.540 --> 1:07:30.720 little monologue she had at the end of the episode four. 1:07:30.740 --> 1:07:36.830 Yeah, she reminds me Nate name. Nick, y'all know she 1:07:36.850 --> 1:07:38.850 remind me of the epic character on Tariq. 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:45.160 Oh, yeah, I get you. I know who you're talking about. 1:07:45.300 --> 1:07:47.120 I can see that. 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:49.820 The other thing that was a standout of this was 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:52.840 they tried to pull out the heartstrings of the old 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:54.840 Snowfall when Liam was looking through the pictures in the 1:07:54.860 --> 1:07:55.880 beginning of the episode. 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:58.660 I like that, though. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.800 After once, yes, but he kept doing it, though. It 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:03.230 got to the point where I was like, alright, nigga, 1:08:03.430 --> 1:08:04.190 they not here. 1:08:04.370 --> 1:08:04.730 Let's move on. 1:08:04.730 --> 1:08:06.490 I'm talking about the one with the Teddy Pendergrass playing. 1:08:06.510 --> 1:08:09.380 That was dope. That scene was dope. Oh, the music 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:10.380 was dope. 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:14.470 And understanding where they are in their dynamic. 1:08:15.220 --> 1:08:18.330 Yeah, the way they shot that was really good. 1:08:18.430 --> 1:08:20.390 Kid, what was dope about that scene? 1:08:20.870 --> 1:08:25.189 It was only one thing? Yeah, the music. That was funny. 1:08:27.090 --> 1:08:30.700 Hey, May, Rod, are they not trying to make Wanda 1:08:30.740 --> 1:08:32.540 and Leon, Louie and Jerome? 1:08:34.060 --> 1:08:37.080 I never thought about it, honestly. I guess it is 1:08:37.140 --> 1:08:43.410 similar because, yeah, um as an addict kind of like 1:08:43.450 --> 1:08:45.480 an addict not a crackhead but she was just like 1:08:45.500 --> 1:08:48.880 a weed head or something like that okay well yeah 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.299 they did kind of start off with her like that 1:08:51.300 --> 1:08:54.130 but yeah that's pretty much the gist of um uh 1:08:54.189 --> 1:09:01.130 episode four um it's. 1:08:58.580 --> 1:09:00.840 Not we not so that's all we're gonna talk about 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:04.260 about the singing that's all we actually i told you 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:06.160 to take the floor what do you think about the scene. 1:09:06.860 --> 1:09:10.479 So yeah that scene is okay why do y'all think 1:09:10.500 --> 1:09:12.679 this took off the way it did this particular scene. 1:09:14.510 --> 1:09:15.889 Because I feel like this. 1:09:15.750 --> 1:09:19.910 Particular scene has created quite a conversation on the internet 1:09:20.650 --> 1:09:26.430 around Wanda, Leon, and Dara. And it's creating a conversation 1:09:26.450 --> 1:09:30.720 that is quite interesting about the way people see Wanda 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.760 and the way people see Dara and who she is 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:33.160 to Leon. 1:09:33.180 --> 1:09:34.720 Well, I'm not following this. 1:09:34.740 --> 1:09:36.680 Yeah, break it down for us. 1:09:36.700 --> 1:09:39.220 So, a lot of conversation. 1:09:38.540 --> 1:09:42.059 About Wanda and her crackhead tendencies and about how she's 1:09:42.100 --> 1:09:46.300 selfish and she don't appreciate Leon. And then the conversation 1:09:46.360 --> 1:09:48.139 around how a woman like. 1:09:48.010 --> 1:09:52.590 Dara is what Leon needs. And I think it is really. 1:09:52.350 --> 1:09:56.090 Exposing a generation of niggas who don't feel chose. And 1:09:56.189 --> 1:09:58.690 the minute they see a woman actually walk up and 1:09:58.750 --> 1:10:02.020 choose a dude like blatantly like that, then all these 1:10:02.060 --> 1:10:04.139 little niggas on the internet is like going wild. 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.840 And it's like team Dara against team Wanda. 1:10:07.700 --> 1:10:11.800 Well, I think, well, first of all, Now, it's an 1:10:11.979 --> 1:10:14.559 obvious thing. What did Lou tell you at the beginning 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:16.320 of this review? What got him in the show? He 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:18.620 saw Dara and then he was like, I'm going to 1:10:18.640 --> 1:10:21.979 go check this out. So if a nigga gets approached 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:23.880 by a woman like Dara and says, I want you, 1:10:24.420 --> 1:10:26.720 like in front of another woman that they know is like, 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:29.120 she probably could be with him, but I don't give 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.960 a fuck. Like that's something that very rarely happens to niggas. 1:10:32.260 --> 1:10:36.400 So we always jump in and we salute that, that 1:10:36.560 --> 1:10:37.420 umpteen power. 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.760 But the other thing was, is also, Like you mentioned, 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:45.470 Wanda comes off very selfish this season. And Dara is 1:10:45.550 --> 1:10:48.590 more of like, you're enough as you are. 1:10:49.110 --> 1:10:49.790 You know what I'm saying? 1:10:49.870 --> 1:10:52.310 And Wanda, and again, we know Wanda and Leon have 1:10:52.350 --> 1:10:55.370 more history, but Wanda is like asking a lot from Leon. 1:10:55.390 --> 1:10:57.670 I ain't seen her give shit yet, Ra. You tell me, Ra, 1:10:57.689 --> 1:11:00.439 what she give, but listen. You know what I'm saying? 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:01.280 Like, so. 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:05.400 I see why that's the opposite of like, look at 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:07.560 what this woman is doing versus look at what this 1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:08.120 woman is doing. 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:11.620 Yeah, but Leo would also be talking a lot of shit, too. 1:11:12.810 --> 1:11:14.590 Every time I wanted to show up, he'd start cussing 1:11:14.670 --> 1:11:18.750 his ass out or snapping her about something. 1:11:18.810 --> 1:11:20.770 That's his wife at the end of the day. Like, 1:11:20.790 --> 1:11:22.469 they have a lot of history. 1:11:22.550 --> 1:11:26.420 They've obviously gone through some emotional shit with losing a kid, right? 1:11:26.460 --> 1:11:30.990 So there's a lot there to unpack. Dara and Wanda 1:11:31.060 --> 1:11:33.320 are the same person. They're doing the same thing. 1:11:33.380 --> 1:11:36.500 Dara said flat out of her mouth, I'm looking for 1:11:36.540 --> 1:11:39.180 a gangster and I want you. She wants something out 1:11:39.220 --> 1:11:40.580 of him the same way Wanda does. 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:43.980 But she's willing to give him what she feels like 1:11:44.020 --> 1:11:47.620 he needs while asking for something. 1:11:48.210 --> 1:11:50.130 But you never stop to think whether or not that 1:11:50.210 --> 1:11:52.809 is the right person. I think because you get so 1:11:52.830 --> 1:11:55.030 wrapped up in the way she came at him that 1:11:55.070 --> 1:11:57.390 you never stop to think about what you are going 1:11:57.410 --> 1:11:59.510 to jeopardize for it. 1:11:59.790 --> 1:12:02.150 Because at the end of the day, this whole gang 1:12:02.170 --> 1:12:04.410 war is Doris. Doris started this shit. 1:12:04.630 --> 1:12:04.790 Yep. 1:12:06.150 --> 1:12:10.010 So while, yes, you obviously you have history with Wanda. 1:12:10.070 --> 1:12:13.290 You understand who she was and what she's trying to 1:12:13.330 --> 1:12:16.220 go after. You know her heart and why she's moving 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:17.200 the way she's moving. 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:20.740 And you let this new person come in, manipulate you 1:12:20.780 --> 1:12:22.240 by showing you that she wants you. 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:25.740 And now you are in an even bigger mess than 1:12:25.780 --> 1:12:27.380 you would have been just managing Wanda. 1:12:27.420 --> 1:12:30.240 And you don't even really know this woman's motivations. 1:12:32.740 --> 1:12:36.830 So you get caught up unnecessarily simply because she was bold. 1:12:37.830 --> 1:12:39.469 But I don't think it was simply because she was bold. 1:12:39.490 --> 1:12:42.260 I think she genuinely had an interest. 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:43.720 In She don't have no interest in him. She had 1:12:43.780 --> 1:12:45.860 an interest in who he was to Wanda. That's all 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:47.019 she wanted. 1:12:47.100 --> 1:12:50.020 I disagree with that. 1:12:50.060 --> 1:12:51.639 She was interested in what he could teach. 1:12:51.660 --> 1:12:55.820 He walked into that diner for Wanda. He walked into 1:12:55.860 --> 1:12:58.960 that diner having Wanda's back. And she looked at that 1:12:58.979 --> 1:13:01.380 shit and said, oh, that's a confident motherfucker. And he's 1:13:01.420 --> 1:13:04.060 coming in for her. I want to be in her position. 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:08.580 That's why every conversation, I'm not your little Wanda. She 1:13:08.660 --> 1:13:11.809 wants what Wanda had, but that's not the relationship that 1:13:11.830 --> 1:13:12.550 she has with him. 1:13:15.010 --> 1:13:16.890 I can see why you say that, Nate, and I'm 1:13:16.930 --> 1:13:20.410 willing to see if they unravel that more, or maybe 1:13:20.430 --> 1:13:21.670 they won't because they broke up now. 1:13:21.689 --> 1:13:23.530 I don't think they are because she just showed her hand. 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:26.360 She don't really have the depth that he has with 1:13:26.380 --> 1:13:28.340 Wanda in that last scene, but we'll get there. 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:33.360 I think she was looking at it like, I put 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:35.929 myself in this position of power. I see what you've done. 1:13:36.510 --> 1:13:39.530 we could be this power couple type thing. That's what 1:13:39.610 --> 1:13:42.750 attracted her to Leon. That's what I thought. But I 1:13:42.770 --> 1:13:45.910 also think Leon has a, like a savior complex too. 1:13:46.030 --> 1:13:48.580 And that's why he keep gravitating back to Wanda. Like 1:13:48.900 --> 1:13:50.820 Leon want to help people so much. And he looking 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:54.200 at her like she, I don't, she don't need my 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:56.120 help until she told him what she needed help with. 1:13:56.460 --> 1:13:57.740 And then he was like, Oh, I ain't really trying 1:13:57.760 --> 1:13:59.620 to be in no gangster shit. I would rather be 1:13:59.960 --> 1:14:03.570 with what Wanda got going on. So I think, That's 1:14:03.590 --> 1:14:06.170 how I read it in the sense of Leon's reaction 1:14:06.189 --> 1:14:08.110 to it. But I do agree with what you're saying, Nate, 1:14:08.180 --> 1:14:10.660 in the internet's reaction and men not being chose. I 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:13.820 think that's a wonderful point for this generation because that 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.600 don't happen. So, yeah, they seen that and went crazy. 1:14:16.620 --> 1:14:20.080 So I could definitely understand it. They were like, what 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.920 happened to that? Yeah, niggas was like, damn. 1:14:22.939 --> 1:14:28.590 Hey, Lou, at best you get three likes on a post. 1:14:28.630 --> 1:14:29.849 You know what I'm saying? 1:14:29.990 --> 1:14:30.450 At best. 1:14:31.570 --> 1:14:33.680 These days, but I just thought it was gangster. 1:14:33.729 --> 1:14:36.360 I thought it was gangster. Uh, the way she did 1:14:36.380 --> 1:14:38.700 it or whatever. It's like, is that your man or not? 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:42.349 You like, like, yeah. The fact that you eat. No, no, 1:14:42.390 --> 1:14:43.390 go ahead. Go ahead. 1:14:43.410 --> 1:14:45.830 Speak your piece. Speak your piece. 1:14:45.910 --> 1:14:48.189 I wish a piece would. 1:14:48.229 --> 1:14:50.470 But the way he even opened this up, is that 1:14:50.510 --> 1:14:55.150 your man or not? You are focused on the fact of. 1:14:54.490 --> 1:14:57.730 What we got going on. That's your focus. You want 1:14:57.750 --> 1:14:58.650 to infiltrate that. 1:14:58.810 --> 1:14:59.450 And he let her. 1:14:59.770 --> 1:15:01.530 And because he let her, it got him in a 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:03.780 lot more issues than he had going in. 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:05.620 It would have been a lot cooler if he would 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:06.980 have just let her play manager. 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:10.960 You don't think that those issues were going to happen... regardless, 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:13.560 and the way he handled it actually helped to lose points. 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:17.640 He is a savior. Like, the whole contract shit got 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:21.900 messed up way before Leon got introduced into Dara and 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:24.460 all that stuff. And he was like, and because he 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:26.640 was with this woman, he was like, I can't not 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:27.080 help her. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:27.920 You know, I'm fucking her. 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:29.900 You know what I'm saying? And with Wanda's like, I 1:15:29.939 --> 1:15:32.780 can't not help her. She's literally the love of my life. Like, 1:15:32.850 --> 1:15:34.979 it's just like, I felt like he put, like you mentioned, 1:15:35.010 --> 1:15:37.590 he does put himself in those situations, but I don't 1:15:37.710 --> 1:15:42.130 think it was more of, Dara looking at it like 1:15:42.470 --> 1:15:44.229 oh I can use him to do this it was 1:15:44.270 --> 1:15:47.110 more of like I don't give a fuck about what 1:15:47.170 --> 1:15:49.240 else is going on I just want you you know 1:15:49.260 --> 1:15:51.690 what I'm saying like Let him be chosen, that's all 1:15:51.750 --> 1:15:52.190 I'm saying. 1:15:52.210 --> 1:15:55.929 He can be chosen, that's fine. But the problem is that, like, 1:15:56.110 --> 1:15:59.460 you got chosen. You chose wrong, though. 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:04.660 Because while I understand that the contract situation would have 1:16:04.700 --> 1:16:07.910 gone sour, Dara brought that gang element to it. 1:16:08.060 --> 1:16:10.200 But Wanda ain't like she didn't want him, though. She 1:16:10.220 --> 1:16:11.860 literally said she didn't want him to fix it. Wanda 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:13.720 just don't have nothing to do with Wanda. That's not 1:16:13.740 --> 1:16:16.059 what I'm saying. But he needed someone. He wanted someone. 1:16:16.080 --> 1:16:16.979 It didn't have to be her. 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:19.830 It didn't have to, but she chose him. 1:16:19.880 --> 1:16:22.880 Put her shot up. 1:16:23.020 --> 1:16:24.620 Nate, again, you're. 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:26.229 Underestimating how simple niggas is. 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:28.260 That's the only bitch that's out there? 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:30.580 But it's different when somebody pursues you. Exactly my point. 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:30.860 What's wrong? 1:16:30.920 --> 1:16:32.240 I don't understand what's wrong with you. 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:38.400 There's nothing wrong with it, but you get so blindsided 1:16:38.470 --> 1:16:40.229 by the fact that you're being chosen, you don't realize 1:16:40.250 --> 1:16:44.890 that you're making a bad decision. You just left a crackhead, 1:16:45.170 --> 1:16:48.850 and she's smoking cocaine in the room with the strippers. 1:16:49.250 --> 1:16:52.590 You trying to get out the gang life, and this 1:16:52.830 --> 1:16:56.570 heifer is a blood princess. You have made your decision 1:16:56.610 --> 1:16:58.620 because you're so blindsided by the fact that. 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.920 Somebody told you that your discernment has gone out the window. 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:05.740 And now you ended up having to kill somebody and 1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:08.960 you cried in your closed legal clinic. And if you 1:17:08.979 --> 1:17:11.349 would have left that girl alone and just let her 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:14.570 play manager and go choose somebody else who's choosing you 1:17:14.590 --> 1:17:16.370 because you're the top nigga in the street. You got 1:17:16.390 --> 1:17:18.930 the cred. Like, it's not like you can't get another woman. 1:17:19.229 --> 1:17:22.530 You chose too close to Wanda. You hurt Wanda. 1:17:22.210 --> 1:17:24.809 In the interim and you got yourself in some situation 1:17:24.830 --> 1:17:27.370 that you didn't need to all because the bitch came up. 1:17:27.350 --> 1:17:27.880 And chose you. 1:17:27.930 --> 1:17:29.179 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 1:17:30.420 --> 1:17:32.809 It's safe to say that Wanda is the one that 1:17:32.830 --> 1:17:36.110 got this whole thing spiraling because she sent him to Dara. 1:17:36.410 --> 1:17:39.300 And then that's when he got jumped. But that's when 1:17:39.340 --> 1:17:44.100 he got jumped. And then DG wanted to retaliate. So 1:17:44.140 --> 1:17:45.700 this all started with Wanda. 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:48.040 That would have been DG and that would have been 1:17:48.660 --> 1:17:49.269 his mess. 1:17:49.770 --> 1:17:51.710 Wanda would not have been in the midst of that 1:17:51.810 --> 1:17:54.410 causing Leon to get in that if they wouldn't have 1:17:54.450 --> 1:17:55.710 been so fucking close. 1:17:55.910 --> 1:17:56.210 No. 1:17:57.010 --> 1:17:58.090 She got Leon in it. 1:17:58.130 --> 1:18:00.110 Yeah, she got. 1:18:00.010 --> 1:18:01.830 Leon in it. 1:18:02.110 --> 1:18:04.230 She called Leon when DG was about to break her 1:18:04.490 --> 1:18:07.190 hair with the hammer. That's when Leon was outside because 1:18:07.220 --> 1:18:09.179 he's like, that's what he told DG. He's like, nigga, 1:18:09.260 --> 1:18:10.519 I will kill you over her. 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:11.920 Yeah. 1:18:12.020 --> 1:18:15.519 I will do anything for her. Like, The snowball effect 1:18:15.620 --> 1:18:18.580 is on Wanda. Now, Nate, again, I do agree with you. 1:18:19.180 --> 1:18:21.370 For Leon, it was not a good choice because the 1:18:21.410 --> 1:18:22.830 nigga that he keep trying to be is not the 1:18:22.870 --> 1:18:24.090 nigga he acting like, right? 1:18:24.890 --> 1:18:26.790 And she even told him that. She said, if you're 1:18:26.810 --> 1:18:29.630 not about to choose, why are you with me? Why 1:18:29.650 --> 1:18:30.689 are you wrestling with me if you're. 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:31.520 Really not about that life? 1:18:31.820 --> 1:18:33.180 And Nate, that's what I'm saying. 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:36.100 The simple thing about niggas is like, bruh, these are 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:38.059 the right decisions I should be making, right? 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:41.320 You just listed a bunch of them. But there's hoes outside. 1:18:42.020 --> 1:18:42.969 Yeah, that's right. 1:18:43.430 --> 1:18:46.389 Horrible, nigga. Horrible. 1:18:46.510 --> 1:18:47.930 It's horrible. 1:18:48.210 --> 1:18:48.490 Hoes. 1:18:48.570 --> 1:18:49.750 I'll take another. 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:57.330 Like, like, like Nate, they're in the hood. 1:18:57.770 --> 1:18:59.790 You know, there's a self-control. 1:19:00.189 --> 1:19:04.330 I'm trying to tell you, we don't. That's why Leon's 1:19:04.350 --> 1:19:06.290 still in the hood, Nate. Cause he ain't got no 1:19:06.310 --> 1:19:09.850 damn self-control. If he was, if he was, Franklin was 1:19:09.890 --> 1:19:11.170 the only one that could have made it out. You 1:19:11.210 --> 1:19:13.890 saw what happened to him. Leon was always going to. 1:19:13.870 --> 1:19:14.429 Be in the hood. 1:19:14.530 --> 1:19:17.530 Leon never thought about leaving the hood. He went down 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:19.939 for one time like Nas, and he came right back. 1:19:20.979 --> 1:19:23.860 Like Nick said, man, simple too. He looking at it like, 1:19:23.900 --> 1:19:25.510 you at least got to try it out. She gave 1:19:25.550 --> 1:19:25.830 it to you. 1:19:25.870 --> 1:19:28.530 I got to at least try it out. I can't 1:19:28.590 --> 1:19:30.130 just not try it out. 1:19:30.450 --> 1:19:30.970 Look at her. 1:19:31.490 --> 1:19:35.120 What we upset about is the fact that he didn't 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.880 follow through. Shit do a deal in a decade in 1:19:37.900 --> 1:19:40.320 the 90s. A nigga would never hear a deal like 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:42.780 that normally in the 90s. Ken, you know what I'm 1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:44.900 talking about. He was a nigga in the 90s. A 1:19:44.930 --> 1:19:48.290 deal like that don't come around. You said he was 1:19:48.370 --> 1:19:49.400 a nigga in the 90s? 1:19:53.180 --> 1:19:55.809 A deal like that don't come around, bro. You already 1:19:55.820 --> 1:19:57.270 talking about something. I just had to feed someone. 1:19:57.290 --> 1:19:58.650 Nobody give a fuck about that nigga. 1:19:58.689 --> 1:20:03.809 Clearly, you don't. You fed him to the wolves. All right, man. 1:20:03.830 --> 1:20:06.030 Let's move on, man. We got almost an hour and 1:20:06.030 --> 1:20:06.429 30 minutes. 1:20:06.570 --> 1:20:09.450 All right, so episode five, the infamous episode that y'all 1:20:09.470 --> 1:20:11.050 keep wanting to go back to. 1:20:11.729 --> 1:20:14.370 Anything else that y'all hadn't mentioned about this episode? 1:20:16.130 --> 1:20:21.220 This was offensive. This was disrespectful that they even... thought 1:20:21.310 --> 1:20:25.120 this was a riveting, impactful story. 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:28.240 They thought they was cooking on this episode. I kept 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:30.980 waiting on the thing to happen. And then when it happened, 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.300 I was like, what? 1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:34.020 How do they know this? 1:20:34.620 --> 1:20:36.729 That's my question. How do they even know that it's 1:20:36.750 --> 1:20:39.380 them that got into a fight? How do they know this? 1:20:39.410 --> 1:20:41.020 Because both of the people who was in the car 1:20:41.060 --> 1:20:42.979 fighting is dead. How do they know this? 1:20:43.220 --> 1:20:45.200 I thought the dead had survived. He didn't. 1:20:45.220 --> 1:20:45.620 No, no, no. 1:20:46.020 --> 1:20:46.540 No, Nate. 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:49.380 The little boy, somebody asked that question in the room, kid. 1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:51.420 I forgot what they told him, but it was something stupid. 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:52.840 Because it didn't make sense. 1:20:52.930 --> 1:20:54.570 Oh, he did say, somebody did say, how y'all know? 1:20:54.610 --> 1:20:54.830 Yeah. 1:20:54.990 --> 1:20:55.950 He was like, how y'all know? 1:20:57.010 --> 1:20:57.870 They was like, what did I say? 1:20:58.820 --> 1:21:01.339 They just said they found the knife in the car 1:21:01.620 --> 1:21:02.480 and blood on his side. 1:21:02.500 --> 1:21:03.040 That's right. 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:07.360 They said police report. That's stupid. 1:21:07.660 --> 1:21:08.500 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:12.259 They said, yeah, because, yeah, the song was in there 1:21:13.020 --> 1:21:16.520 and they told him don't push it. So they're assuming that, yeah, 1:21:16.540 --> 1:21:18.799 he pushed the issue and then they got into arguing. 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:19.860 Yeah. 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:20.820 Yeah. 1:21:21.060 --> 1:21:23.080 But what I will say, though, the best part was 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:27.000 when she started singing that song that that they kept building. 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:28.519 Up. 1:21:29.020 --> 1:21:32.660 The daddy was like, all right, now. 1:21:32.740 --> 1:21:34.020 He said, stop. 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:36.340 All right, now. 1:21:36.780 --> 1:21:40.250 She didn't know what was going on. 1:21:40.290 --> 1:21:41.689 She was going in, though, man. 1:21:41.750 --> 1:21:42.650 I was like, all right. 1:21:42.670 --> 1:21:44.430 But then it did get to the point where I 1:21:44.450 --> 1:21:48.210 was like, you screaming like that in the two-story crib 1:21:48.270 --> 1:21:48.670 in Compton? 1:21:48.689 --> 1:21:49.370 What are you doing? 1:21:49.810 --> 1:21:50.380 Calm down. 1:21:51.189 --> 1:21:51.720 Let me see. 1:21:56.160 --> 1:22:00.559 Next episode uh next episode is uh exit wounds uh 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.040 this is where uh it's been like a month after 1:22:03.100 --> 1:22:06.099 the album uh back to the hood reaches the scene 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:09.590 uh artillery uh tells dj block in the interview that 1:22:10.110 --> 1:22:12.490 they're still waiting on new music from lamar this is 1:22:12.550 --> 1:22:17.750 where um lamar has like i think he has like 1:22:17.830 --> 1:22:23.269 producers block um DG presses Leon about how he moved 1:22:23.290 --> 1:22:25.309 the copy, so he wants to know, like, yo, how 1:22:25.350 --> 1:22:27.250 did you do that thing? How did you do that? 1:22:28.470 --> 1:22:33.830 Leon offers to review his contracts. Artillery dismisses Lamar's new 1:22:33.870 --> 1:22:37.690 work in Clash before Lamar walks out. This is where 1:22:37.750 --> 1:22:40.600 all that kind of happens. A night out tagging Andy 1:22:40.650 --> 1:22:42.339 revives Lamar's creativity. 1:22:43.380 --> 1:22:44.460 That was, like, random. 1:22:44.500 --> 1:22:47.019 That was so random when they was just feeding stuff. 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:51.729 And then he comes back with it. Like, he's inspired 1:22:51.770 --> 1:22:53.350 at this point. He comes back to the label and 1:22:53.370 --> 1:22:54.190 they basically diss him. 1:22:54.210 --> 1:22:57.430 Like, okay, nigga, you done? Like, who are you? Is that, like, 1:22:57.470 --> 1:23:01.490 DJ Niggaz or something? I'm like, DJ Niggaz or something. 1:23:01.850 --> 1:23:09.080 And this is where Dion kills Keith or whatever. 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:11.860 So how did y'all feel about this particular episode? 1:23:12.260 --> 1:23:13.780 Rod, this is where I feel like I may be 1:23:13.820 --> 1:23:14.880 sharing your frustrations. 1:23:15.650 --> 1:23:17.490 Because this is the episode that made me realize, based 1:23:17.550 --> 1:23:22.200 on that breakdown, how stupid it felt watching Lamar be 1:23:22.300 --> 1:23:23.080 who he was. 1:23:24.070 --> 1:23:27.650 Because it was like, no one cared. He had a 1:23:27.750 --> 1:23:30.650 whole background on how he came up with DJ Next, 1:23:30.950 --> 1:23:33.809 and he presents that to everybody, and they're like, nigga, 1:23:33.870 --> 1:23:38.019 who gives a fuck? Where's the list of producers I 1:23:38.070 --> 1:23:38.780 asked for? 1:23:39.460 --> 1:23:40.620 This is why we need a list. 1:23:41.140 --> 1:23:42.759 This is why we need a list, because your goofy 1:23:42.820 --> 1:23:43.639 ass come in here. 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:47.440 With a finger paint. Talk about you DJ Next. And 1:23:47.460 --> 1:23:52.340 the shit was whack, too. It was. DJ Next. Like, bro, 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:53.540 get the fuck out of here, man. 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:56.180 Him and his Alvin and the chipmunk ass homeboy. Like, 1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:58.240 I don't give a fuck about either one of them niggas. 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:00.180 I hate the fact that they were acting like they 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:03.230 didn't understand that they were getting into the music business. Bro, 1:24:03.250 --> 1:24:06.070 you're not going to be the only producer on the album. 1:24:06.090 --> 1:24:07.210 That don't even make sense. 1:24:07.910 --> 1:24:11.560 Like, that makes no sense. He thought he was the star. 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:13.000 Even artillery had to check him. 1:24:13.220 --> 1:24:16.720 That was crazy. That was insane. 1:24:17.939 --> 1:24:19.840 This is what we about to work on. 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.320 Like, bro, what are you talking about, little dude? Give 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:23.280 me the beats and get out. 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.780 Lou, he said, he said, I feel like we got to. 1:24:27.460 --> 1:24:31.000 Make this about my mom. Are you stupid? 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:33.000 He's doing so bad, bro. 1:24:33.020 --> 1:24:39.200 I thought at some point he wasn't going to annoy me, 1:24:39.260 --> 1:24:40.660 but man, he kept annoying me. 1:24:40.700 --> 1:24:43.420 When he said that, I was like, I can't be 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.550 the only one that'd be like, all right, I gave 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:51.470 him a chance, but he's just a goofball. I feel 1:24:51.610 --> 1:24:54.870 like the problem is that the show took him too seriously. 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:55.940 Right? 1:24:56.020 --> 1:24:57.479 Like, it's like, sure. 1:24:57.479 --> 1:25:02.150 You're this odd kid, autistic, who we don't have a 1:25:02.150 --> 1:25:06.970 diagnosis for autistic in 91, 92, right? But it's like, 1:25:07.110 --> 1:25:09.630 they played on it like this was supposed to be 1:25:09.750 --> 1:25:12.650 the next big thing, and that he, and I think they, 1:25:12.729 --> 1:25:15.570 I feel like they, the show took him too seriously, 1:25:15.890 --> 1:25:19.519 which made it just a whole storyline feel corny. It'd 1:25:19.530 --> 1:25:21.120 be different if it's like, he came, like, he had 1:25:21.180 --> 1:25:24.480 come with this magical idea of, I'm DJ next, and 1:25:24.510 --> 1:25:27.070 everybody dismiss him, but the fact that we traveled with 1:25:27.110 --> 1:25:30.410 him to find this corny-ass idea is what I think 1:25:30.450 --> 1:25:31.309 fell flat with him. 1:25:32.110 --> 1:25:34.850 And that's why artillery cuts his ass out. He was like, 1:25:34.890 --> 1:25:36.550 you can't do this, you can't do that, and now 1:25:36.570 --> 1:25:40.889 you can't even fucking produce. Like, all the beats was 1:25:40.950 --> 1:25:44.550 fucking whack. He couldn't even do shit. So, yeah, at 1:25:44.590 --> 1:25:50.450 this point, this show kind of got on that sort 1:25:50.470 --> 1:25:53.070 of struggle bus that Lamar would be on. 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.969 Like, it was, we kept going around in circles, bro. 1:25:57.670 --> 1:26:01.769 With Lamar struggling to come up with the fucking beat. 1:26:02.470 --> 1:26:04.730 And I'm sitting there, I'm like, bro, you're not even 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:05.580 that good. 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:09.140 Why are they even fucking waiting on you to produce 1:26:09.220 --> 1:26:10.320 another fucking beat? 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:12.320 You sitting there cussing everybody out. 1:26:13.140 --> 1:26:17.049 Saying, bitch, why are you even talking to me like. 1:26:16.890 --> 1:26:17.450 That right now? 1:26:17.630 --> 1:26:18.150 Right, right. 1:26:19.810 --> 1:26:22.670 Yeah, I did. I had a hard time processing it. 1:26:22.670 --> 1:26:25.050 She said the wrong S-Bus, kid. It's the short bus, 1:26:25.090 --> 1:26:29.520 not the struggle bus that Lamar is on. That's right, bro. 1:26:29.660 --> 1:26:31.820 Yeah, I was going to let it slide, but I 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:36.500 knew somebody was joking. We don't know he's supposed to 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.650 be that little. Until I hear diagnosis, Nate. That's what 1:26:39.660 --> 1:26:41.670 we called it. There ain't no diagnosis. That's just what 1:26:41.689 --> 1:26:42.930 we called it in the 90s. 1:26:42.950 --> 1:26:45.210 You're a little off. You know, buddy, you're a little off. 1:26:45.630 --> 1:26:48.410 He a little off. That's how you do it. It is, Nick. Yeah, 1:26:48.470 --> 1:26:49.850 that's how you say it. He a little off. 1:26:49.970 --> 1:26:51.470 My thing is, like, what's the difference between that and 1:26:51.490 --> 1:26:54.210 just being an asshole? Because James always treated him like, bro, 1:26:54.229 --> 1:26:56.300 he's really just an asshole with Bambi eyes. 1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:57.840 No, that's part of it, too, bro. He's hiding behind 1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:00.660 that shit to be an asshole, bro. That's how. That's 1:27:00.700 --> 1:27:02.880 part of it. He's using that as an excuse. 1:27:04.620 --> 1:27:07.380 But, yeah, I didn't, like, I wouldn't buy none of 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:09.880 this shit from him. I don't like that white lawyer, either. 1:27:09.900 --> 1:27:12.830 I don't like that he pulling strings and they got. No, 1:27:12.950 --> 1:27:15.679 Vance is a gangster, bro. Yeah, that's why I don't 1:27:15.689 --> 1:27:17.680 like him, kid. Like, how he the most gangster nigga 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:18.860 in the room? He a white dude. 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.140 Like, I don't like that. He the one making the 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:22.960 hit calls and shit. I'm like, he like, you know 1:27:22.979 --> 1:27:25.180 what you should do, right? Like, nigga, shut up. Like, 1:27:25.220 --> 1:27:29.680 how you know? Like, I don't like him, man. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:32.140 He's a yes man, Lou. That's why he was on 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:33.540 the ground. No, he wasn't a yes man. He was 1:27:33.580 --> 1:27:34.439 telling him what to do. 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:35.360 No, he wasn't. 1:27:36.580 --> 1:27:38.160 Yeah, he know what he told me to kill, dude. 1:27:38.580 --> 1:27:41.990 No, when DJ, when he knew, or I guess I'll 1:27:42.010 --> 1:27:43.350 say this, this is a better way of me saying it. 1:27:43.350 --> 1:27:44.290 He knew how to play his role. 1:27:44.310 --> 1:27:46.510 Because when DJ got upset and he said, get your 1:27:46.570 --> 1:27:48.190 ass up out of here, he always got his ass 1:27:48.210 --> 1:27:48.570 up out of here. 1:27:48.590 --> 1:27:50.070 He was like, I don't need to upset the client. 1:27:50.150 --> 1:27:51.110 I'm going to do what he say because I know 1:27:51.130 --> 1:27:52.190 he's going to do some gay shit anyway. 1:27:53.030 --> 1:27:58.080 I just don't want to be incriminated because you're an idiot. 1:27:58.120 --> 1:27:59.860 It wasn't because I think you're a gangster. I just 1:27:59.880 --> 1:28:02.720 think you're dumb. He said, you know you can't do 1:28:02.780 --> 1:28:03.420 this in front of me. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:06.380 I think he genuinely fucks with DG. 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:13.840 I'm not saying that he wouldn't do it to protect himself. 1:28:13.939 --> 1:28:16.200 I think he likes working with DG genuinely. 1:28:16.340 --> 1:28:20.280 I took that totally different. I took him as DG 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:21.200 is just another nigga. 1:28:21.689 --> 1:28:23.510 And after he gone locked up and dead, I'm going 1:28:23.530 --> 1:28:24.370 to find the next nigga. 1:28:24.950 --> 1:28:27.230 Yep. Yep, I'm 100%. 1:28:27.229 --> 1:28:30.380 Yeah, because even when, because is this when they walked 1:28:30.460 --> 1:28:32.700 up asking for more money because of artillery and shit? 1:28:34.020 --> 1:28:35.240 Was it this episode? 1:28:35.270 --> 1:28:36.469 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 1:28:36.510 --> 1:28:36.710 Yeah. 1:28:37.450 --> 1:28:37.510 Mm. 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:51.380 She couldn't believe that shit just happened. She couldn't believe it. 1:28:51.380 --> 1:28:52.519 She couldn't even fucking breathe. 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:56.479 Hey, he choked the goddamn life out of her. She 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:58.380 was like, she looked at it like this the first 1:28:58.400 --> 1:28:59.360 time she seen a nigga. 1:28:59.580 --> 1:29:03.429 Like, you know what I'm saying? I've just been around 1:29:03.470 --> 1:29:11.520 black men all my life. This a nigga. She was 1:29:11.540 --> 1:29:14.100 clutching on pearls. She ain't know what to do. 1:29:14.970 --> 1:29:17.650 She ain't go back over to that studio and sit. 1:29:19.370 --> 1:29:21.530 She ain't leave the house after that, nigga. She ain't 1:29:21.570 --> 1:29:22.330 leave the house after that. 1:29:22.370 --> 1:29:25.070 That was crazy. 1:29:25.310 --> 1:29:28.269 She stayed in the hood where she knows somebody, kid. 1:29:28.290 --> 1:29:31.599 She ain't leave that. And then they took that motherfucker out. 1:29:31.689 --> 1:29:32.730 He was like. 1:29:32.750 --> 1:29:35.510 Man, he said, every day I leave home, I kiss 1:29:35.550 --> 1:29:36.450 my kids goodbye. 1:29:37.110 --> 1:29:38.960 Once he said that, I knew it. 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:41.080 Once the nigga was talking about getting out of the game. 1:29:43.340 --> 1:29:46.360 That's when Vance showed his power he was like look 1:29:46.380 --> 1:29:49.660 man they think that it was really kind of fucked 1:29:49.800 --> 1:29:53.030 up because he basically said they turned into slaves you 1:29:53.070 --> 1:29:55.250 know in terms of always having to come back and 1:29:55.270 --> 1:29:58.170 get the money but they messed with a lot of 1:29:58.229 --> 1:30:00.810 white bands too and the white because even she said 1:30:00.850 --> 1:30:03.150 it the white lady was like yeah the only difference 1:30:03.189 --> 1:30:05.760 is they black it's the same fucking gang so they 1:30:05.780 --> 1:30:07.270 just black this time Yeah. 1:30:07.310 --> 1:30:07.809 They stole money. 1:30:07.890 --> 1:30:09.310 The record company stole money for everybody. 1:30:09.390 --> 1:30:14.270 That's the only reason why I didn't take it that deeply. But, yeah, 1:30:15.490 --> 1:30:18.690 I like Vance's presence as far as, like, it represented 1:30:18.710 --> 1:30:19.610 something that you. 1:30:19.510 --> 1:30:20.429 Don't always see. 1:30:21.689 --> 1:30:23.460 Or not say that. Or, like, you don't see it 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:24.880 always in that way. In that way. 1:30:24.900 --> 1:30:26.820 Because I think they had a genuine relationship. 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:30.059 Y'all disagree. All right, cool. 1:30:30.080 --> 1:30:33.100 So, yeah, like I said, that's when, you know, Keith 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:38.809 ends up dead. Natalie, that spirals things from there. Did 1:30:38.830 --> 1:30:40.830 y'all have anything else to say about that part? 1:30:41.030 --> 1:30:41.229 Okay. 1:30:41.710 --> 1:30:44.450 So now we're at episode seven, one episode away from 1:30:44.470 --> 1:30:47.870 the end. I'm still not quite feeling the show personally. 1:30:47.950 --> 1:30:49.849 It's okay. You got to, like I said, high points 1:30:49.890 --> 1:30:52.650 and everything. I'm still not quite feeling it. But this 1:30:52.689 --> 1:31:00.120 is where Leon is reviewing contracts with Dara. Artillery is 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:04.040 kind of still, he's not on the whole trying to 1:31:04.100 --> 1:31:07.019 rap about you know, killing the brothers or trying to 1:31:07.060 --> 1:31:09.599 retaliate anything like that. So he's having kind of like 1:31:09.620 --> 1:31:11.729 a writer's block, not necessarily a writer's block, but just 1:31:11.770 --> 1:31:12.950 like being. 1:31:12.750 --> 1:31:16.309 Inspired between that. When I want to write about that, not. 1:31:16.189 --> 1:31:25.880 Wanting to use Arthur's, not Arthur, what's his name? Lamar's beats. 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:30.519 So that's going on still. This is also where you 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:35.950 see Dar's father, he's triple OG. The detectives visit Leon. 1:31:38.590 --> 1:31:39.510 Didn't care about that. 1:31:39.590 --> 1:31:40.190 Okay. 1:31:40.250 --> 1:31:40.610 Label. 1:31:40.689 --> 1:31:44.210 DJ Blaine's wanted for bringing in Leon Darrow Lamar with 1:31:44.229 --> 1:31:47.880 their street ties and all of that. This is also 1:31:47.979 --> 1:31:51.360 where DJ tried to pull a play to get them 1:31:51.580 --> 1:31:53.800 out of it by bringing in Tiptoe, which is played 1:31:53.820 --> 1:31:54.300 by Simba. 1:31:54.420 --> 1:31:58.000 He's a real rapper, too. That Simba? 1:31:58.040 --> 1:32:00.860 Yeah. I fuck with his whole character. His whole body. Yeah. 1:32:02.930 --> 1:32:05.550 I was like, y'all need to sign him. Fuck our children. 1:32:05.570 --> 1:32:08.710 The whole setup to the song, all of that shit 1:32:08.729 --> 1:32:09.150 was fire. 1:32:09.229 --> 1:32:10.670 All of that. 1:32:11.910 --> 1:32:17.200 And this is also where we have the face-off between 1:32:17.260 --> 1:32:19.600 Dara and Wanda in the house with Leon. 1:32:20.680 --> 1:32:21.040 You know. 1:32:21.060 --> 1:32:24.280 So we were talking about that, too. So basically, it's 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:27.320 like that. Wanda tells her, like, you know, you know 1:32:27.340 --> 1:32:28.320 he'll keep, right? 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:28.920 And all that. 1:32:28.939 --> 1:32:32.170 So that That happened in this episode, which is called 1:32:32.189 --> 1:32:33.430 How Y'all Feel About Episode 7. 1:32:33.410 --> 1:32:34.930 Is this when he told both of them to get out? 1:32:35.750 --> 1:32:39.490 He didn't tell them to get out. He left. He left. 1:32:39.530 --> 1:32:39.910 They left. 1:32:40.050 --> 1:32:43.610 You know I can't do that, right? Yeah, that's true. 1:32:43.910 --> 1:32:48.150 That's bullshit. Nah, that's real. That's bullshit. I would tell 1:32:48.170 --> 1:32:50.570 Wanda to get the hell up out of here. 1:32:50.670 --> 1:32:51.309 I'll leave Dara. 1:32:51.229 --> 1:32:51.740 Where she at. 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:03.299 At this point, they wind up begging. She's a beggar 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:04.380 the whole time, Leon. 1:33:04.660 --> 1:33:09.600 Give me some money. Give me some money. And Leon 1:33:09.620 --> 1:33:12.320 keeps saying, bro, I was only trying to help you 1:33:12.350 --> 1:33:13.549 out for a little bit. I'm not trying to be 1:33:13.570 --> 1:33:15.450 fully attached to this shit. You got me out here 1:33:15.750 --> 1:33:19.469 breaking deals with gangsters out of Denny's. on a Tuesday afternoon. 1:33:19.490 --> 1:33:21.730 And then also you got me over here doing all 1:33:21.750 --> 1:33:22.330 this other shit. 1:33:22.390 --> 1:33:26.020 I'm like, nigga, what is she? She ain't bring. 1:33:26.100 --> 1:33:29.320 She ain't bring good clients over here. 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:30.040 Nope. 1:33:30.780 --> 1:33:35.320 She had a key. She had a key. She had 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:38.750 a break in the windows. Like you said, like your 1:33:38.770 --> 1:33:39.670 dope fiend ass. 1:33:40.330 --> 1:33:41.750 Yeah, I ain't here. 1:33:41.770 --> 1:33:43.890 Don't answer the fucking door. He ain't got music playing. 1:33:46.689 --> 1:33:49.170 But I think this is around the time. 1:33:50.590 --> 1:33:52.229 Well, he should have told her that, too. Don't you 1:33:52.250 --> 1:33:52.710 come out here. 1:33:53.430 --> 1:33:55.890 He kind of did. Well, he called Wanda today and 1:33:55.910 --> 1:33:57.070 said it's not a good time. 1:33:57.310 --> 1:33:59.550 Yeah, he kept trying to tell her. But he know 1:33:59.570 --> 1:34:02.330 Wanda ain't going to listen to that shit. 1:34:02.410 --> 1:34:04.689 Wanda going to do what he want to do. 1:34:04.710 --> 1:34:06.330 She's a reformed crackhead, Nate. 1:34:06.490 --> 1:34:08.110 You can't call her a crackhead, but she should have 1:34:08.130 --> 1:34:09.610 picked crackhead over there. 1:34:09.630 --> 1:34:11.689 This is the crackhead that you married. 1:34:11.729 --> 1:34:13.710 You know exactly who she is. 1:34:14.150 --> 1:34:15.929 And you understand why she is the. 1:34:15.870 --> 1:34:16.500 Way she is. 1:34:17.260 --> 1:34:19.160 He should have made Dara leave. 1:34:19.280 --> 1:34:23.450 And then you talked to her about herself. 1:34:24.550 --> 1:34:28.049 I think this is when this episode, the next episode, 1:34:28.790 --> 1:34:30.729 it was like he really didn't give a fuck about 1:34:30.770 --> 1:34:31.349 Dara either. 1:34:32.830 --> 1:34:35.720 No, he didn't really. He just wanted to see what 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:38.860 it was about. He just wanted to try it out. 1:34:39.220 --> 1:34:42.380 He realized it is what it was. She wasn't going 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:44.500 to make him better. I think that's what it also was. 1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:47.019 I'm not going to fight over her because... And then 1:34:47.140 --> 1:34:48.160 she want to keep me here, too. 1:34:48.780 --> 1:34:50.939 Yeah, like for what? And once you have a. 1:34:50.939 --> 1:34:54.599 Man with a crack head, Ken, you ain't anything better 1:34:54.620 --> 1:34:54.939 than that. 1:34:55.439 --> 1:34:58.080 Sometimes the four-week flings be the best ones, Ken. Like, 1:34:58.120 --> 1:35:02.320 y'all ain't meant for each other. Hey, Ron Lewis, dirtbag. 1:35:03.310 --> 1:35:08.910 I know. We don't brag about that. 1:35:09.050 --> 1:35:10.190 We don't brag. 1:35:09.930 --> 1:35:10.630 About it, man. 1:35:10.990 --> 1:35:12.250 Sometimes you run a course, man. 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.360 Yeah, I don't know. 1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:23.970 Hey, Lou, you my nigga, bro. You funny as hell. 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:26.790 All right, man. 1:35:26.810 --> 1:35:29.610 Nothing else that stood out about this episode for y'all, man. 1:35:29.630 --> 1:35:31.570 Absolutely not, Rob. We need to move on. 1:35:31.590 --> 1:35:32.550 We got to move on. 1:35:32.810 --> 1:35:34.890 All right, man. 1:35:35.070 --> 1:35:37.680 Last episode. Last episode. 1:35:37.689 --> 1:35:39.179 What was it called? 1:35:40.260 --> 1:35:41.160 Hercules. Hercules. 1:35:41.220 --> 1:35:45.309 Hercules. Hercules. So this is basically where they. 1:35:46.210 --> 1:35:51.910 Wanda just basically conjures up a plan to steal the Masters. 1:35:52.270 --> 1:35:55.550 Yeah, and all of that. That is the basis of this, 1:35:55.610 --> 1:36:00.440 and we kind of... I'm just trying to... At this point, we. 1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:03.000 We're all ready to go. Yeah, it's like. 1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:06.380 I'm just trying to see, is there anything about this 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:07.820 episode that stood out? 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:10.680 I honestly didn't like how it closed. I know you 1:36:10.720 --> 1:36:11.590 said you did, but. 1:36:13.260 --> 1:36:15.979 It felt kind of flat for me personally. How did 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:18.220 y'all feel about how this season closed? 1:36:18.740 --> 1:36:20.660 I will say this and be quick for you, Rod. 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:23.950 This was my least favorite episode of the series. I 1:36:23.990 --> 1:36:25.550 just don't think they ended it well. I didn't like 1:36:25.610 --> 1:36:28.230 the plan. I was confused at one point. 1:36:28.250 --> 1:36:29.750 I was like, what are they doing? 1:36:29.950 --> 1:36:32.450 It didn't make any sense to me at some points. 1:36:33.010 --> 1:36:36.920 So this was absolutely my least favorite episode. They probably 1:36:36.939 --> 1:36:39.240 should have made this just six episodes. They could have 1:36:39.260 --> 1:36:40.780 made this a lot more concise and we would have 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:42.410 been able to get to the point And we would 1:36:42.430 --> 1:36:43.170 have walked away like. 1:36:43.290 --> 1:36:46.400 Okay, that was better than what I expected. But they 1:36:46.450 --> 1:36:47.740 ended it really flat. 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:50.100 That being said, I would watch another season because I'm 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:51.680 interested in where they go with some of the stuff. 1:36:52.420 --> 1:36:55.620 I think for me, again, because maybe you agree with this, 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:59.620 because I binge-watched it, it didn't bother me that bad. 1:36:59.660 --> 1:37:01.610 But if I had to wait a week to week 1:37:01.750 --> 1:37:04.250 to see how this plan got revealed, I would have 1:37:04.270 --> 1:37:05.210 been more upset. 1:37:05.430 --> 1:37:06.530 Because to me, it was a simple. 1:37:08.540 --> 1:37:10.900 It was a simple plan because it was a simple issue. 1:37:11.020 --> 1:37:12.640 It was like, we just got to take this nigga out. 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:14.099 At the end of the day, that's the main thing, 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:15.660 what it was. We got to get these masters and 1:37:15.689 --> 1:37:16.280 take this nigga out. 1:37:16.689 --> 1:37:21.370 It was on some simple trickery or whatnot, but I 1:37:21.970 --> 1:37:24.990 feel like it did its job. I wasn't terribly mad 1:37:25.030 --> 1:37:26.670 about it, but I think it's because I binge-watched and 1:37:26.689 --> 1:37:27.530 I didn't have to wait for it. 1:37:27.570 --> 1:37:29.150 It just laid out how it was. 1:37:29.430 --> 1:37:31.929 I didn't like how Wanda acted when she manipulated Dara 1:37:31.970 --> 1:37:36.259 to going into her plan just because she said, Leon 1:37:36.300 --> 1:37:38.059 told me and he ain't tell you. I felt like 1:37:38.080 --> 1:37:40.300 that was like, okay, that kind of reveals a little 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:42.320 bit more about what, like you mentioned, they will by 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:44.300 any means necessary. I need to get this shit done. Um, 1:37:45.470 --> 1:37:49.890 but I didn't, uh, big Dion had to die. There 1:37:49.910 --> 1:37:51.370 was no other way for him to keep moving on 1:37:51.390 --> 1:37:53.730 in this world. If he choking up, you know, black women, 1:37:54.390 --> 1:37:57.030 music label offices. So I knew he was going. 1:37:56.900 --> 1:37:57.259 To have to die. 1:37:57.350 --> 1:37:59.780 I liked the fact that Leon kind of almost gave 1:37:59.820 --> 1:38:03.229 him the same respect that he gave, um, Keith, When 1:38:03.270 --> 1:38:07.389 he died, I'm just going to look at you like 1:38:07.470 --> 1:38:08.930 the man you are before you go. 1:38:08.950 --> 1:38:09.490 You know what I'm saying? 1:38:09.510 --> 1:38:10.610 You ain't going to be alone. 1:38:10.689 --> 1:38:11.750 Was he holding back tears? 1:38:12.530 --> 1:38:14.380 I don't know if he did, but it kind of 1:38:14.410 --> 1:38:17.950 seemed like... Because they had a somewhat mutual respect for 1:38:17.990 --> 1:38:18.800 each other, I want to say. 1:38:18.860 --> 1:38:20.720 I don't think the tears were about that. I think 1:38:20.740 --> 1:38:22.480 they were about him not wanting to do this. 1:38:22.580 --> 1:38:23.670 I'm done. with this. 1:38:23.689 --> 1:38:27.820 No, I'm talking about Big Ding. Was he over my 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:28.800 tears as he was dying? 1:38:30.540 --> 1:38:34.530 I think he was salty. He was salty. 1:38:34.570 --> 1:38:35.730 Ken, like, this nigga crying. 1:38:35.750 --> 1:38:38.110 Nigga, he got shot. 1:38:38.570 --> 1:38:44.370 Ken was trying to say, this confirmation that he. 1:38:44.330 --> 1:38:45.939 A little bitch. 1:38:45.979 --> 1:38:47.840 He got shot. 1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:49.519 I think he was crying. 1:38:51.160 --> 1:38:54.200 I think he just salty. He was salty as hell. 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:55.600 He was about to die, nigga. 1:38:56.100 --> 1:39:01.320 I just didn't think. 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:06.060 I don't think he thought he was going to die 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:10.679 in the streets like that especially how they left his ass. 1:39:10.500 --> 1:39:12.620 Yeah now he knew. 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:17.180 He knew he knew he lived by the gun he 1:39:17.200 --> 1:39:19.240 knew at some point but in the streets though they 1:39:19.260 --> 1:39:22.080 left his ass there like it was trash day. 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.160 That's what come with it he knew that yeah he definitely. 1:39:24.850 --> 1:39:30.720 Knew yeah Anything else? Nate, you said you like how 1:39:30.740 --> 1:39:32.530 I think you said you like how it ended. I 1:39:32.550 --> 1:39:34.070 didn't say I liked how it ended. I said I 1:39:34.110 --> 1:39:36.990 liked how they, I like, I'm excited for season two. 1:39:37.110 --> 1:39:39.290 I said, I see that they did. Essentially, I feel 1:39:39.310 --> 1:39:39.729 like this. 1:39:39.630 --> 1:39:41.630 Season was a setup season and it made me want 1:39:41.650 --> 1:39:43.090 to go back and watch season one of. 1:39:43.090 --> 1:39:46.540 Snowfall because I don't remember Snowfall doing this much. 1:39:46.740 --> 1:39:49.639 Setup, but I essentially feel like this is a setup 1:39:49.660 --> 1:39:52.580 season and giving us enough characters to make me somewhat 1:39:52.620 --> 1:39:54.780 interested in how this is all going to play out. 1:39:55.660 --> 1:40:00.710 Um, Yeah, but it wasn't so much that I liked 1:40:00.930 --> 1:40:01.730 the way it ended. 1:40:01.810 --> 1:40:05.450 I don't really feel like, again, and I think, I 1:40:05.450 --> 1:40:07.510 don't know if it was you or who mentioned it, 1:40:07.550 --> 1:40:10.510 there wasn't enough payoff at the end of the season. 1:40:10.670 --> 1:40:12.470 And it surely wasn't. 1:40:12.310 --> 1:40:16.800 Like a cliffhanger that anybody cared about to make me 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:19.560 feel like this was a great closer. But I think 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:22.260 that what they did do well is start to build 1:40:22.380 --> 1:40:26.320 a world and characters that you might start to care about. 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:30.300 I could see, like, Dara not being a big component 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.360 in season two until maybe the end or coming back 1:40:33.400 --> 1:40:36.080 around or something. But I think that they're doing a 1:40:36.220 --> 1:40:38.200 fairly good job of world building. 1:40:39.100 --> 1:40:40.380 Okay. Agreed. 1:40:40.540 --> 1:40:42.140 Yeah, I agree with that. 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:44.780 I think that, one, I think Lamar probably needs to 1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:47.340 stay in the house because... None of the shit he's 1:40:47.380 --> 1:40:49.929 saying is stopping him from damn near getting the Asperger's 1:40:49.970 --> 1:40:50.570 beat out of him. 1:40:50.770 --> 1:40:53.070 He tried to say, I don't bang. 1:40:53.490 --> 1:40:56.590 He tried to say, J-Lo's my brother. That shit didn't 1:40:56.610 --> 1:40:58.850 save him. This time, he woke up with a fucking 1:40:58.910 --> 1:41:02.269 broken arm and shit like that. And swollen and shit. 1:41:02.350 --> 1:41:04.269 He's all fucked up. So he needs to figure that 1:41:04.290 --> 1:41:06.269 shit out. Or he just needs to walk around with 1:41:06.300 --> 1:41:08.260 his brother the rest of the damn season. 1:41:08.300 --> 1:41:10.340 He asked his brother for the first place. 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:12.660 I was about to say that, Ken. That's a thing 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:15.830 I did. How he presented that to his brothers. Nick, 1:41:15.850 --> 1:41:17.510 you hit on it a little earlier, too, and I 1:41:17.530 --> 1:41:20.770 think that closing it on this episode with his brother 1:41:20.790 --> 1:41:23.600 being like, bro, I need you. Like, I'm basically slow 1:41:23.660 --> 1:41:24.660 as fuck out here. 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:28.000 I need you to help me understand what's going on 1:41:28.060 --> 1:41:31.019 around me. I'm just on the music shit. And I 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:32.380 really like that conversation. 1:41:32.420 --> 1:41:35.130 I wish there was some more commitment from J-Loco in 1:41:35.170 --> 1:41:37.950 that conversation, but I'm interested to see where they go 1:41:37.990 --> 1:41:39.150 with it, too, like Nate's point. 1:41:40.570 --> 1:41:41.990 He really thought that shit was going to... Jay, look 1:41:42.010 --> 1:41:45.769 at my brother. He was like, we don't give a fuck. 1:41:45.790 --> 1:41:49.000 Go get him, man. Go get him. 1:41:49.170 --> 1:41:53.129 The contract reviews they did earlier, that shit didn't go anywhere. 1:41:53.150 --> 1:41:54.490 I thought it was. 1:41:55.130 --> 1:41:57.430 I thought it was. Leon even mentioned something. He was like, 1:41:57.450 --> 1:42:00.470 the contracts that they got, yeah, that's how you get them. 1:42:00.490 --> 1:42:02.570 Yeah, they didn't do shit with that. 1:42:03.630 --> 1:42:05.230 I think the only other thing I got, because I'm 1:42:05.250 --> 1:42:07.070 with Nate in terms of what we're going to do 1:42:07.110 --> 1:42:09.710 for season two as far as using this as a setup. 1:42:10.820 --> 1:42:11.099 I. 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:16.280 Like how DG got his after he smacked the shit 1:42:16.300 --> 1:42:20.269 out of Wanda. But I will say she did a 1:42:20.280 --> 1:42:24.050 good job of baiting him into doing that, which caused 1:42:24.090 --> 1:42:27.150 him to get dropped by the label to free him 1:42:27.330 --> 1:42:29.350 up to go out and do some dumb shit in 1:42:29.370 --> 1:42:30.229 the streets. 1:42:30.750 --> 1:42:31.570 And then he caused. 1:42:32.300 --> 1:42:32.740 What I. 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:36.610 Don't understand is that clearly he wasn't very good, which 1:42:36.630 --> 1:42:38.450 is probably why he went to the record business because 1:42:38.570 --> 1:42:42.769 Dara actually stood right there and look right at these motherfuckers. 1:42:43.450 --> 1:42:45.570 She came out the store, turned around and was looking 1:42:45.650 --> 1:42:48.660 right at them in the car. And they're stupid as 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:53.000 thought that somebody as that Dara is, who's been around 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:55.240 and survived in the streets as long as she has 1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:56.240 will be foolish. 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:57.660 Enough to walk down a dark alley. 1:42:57.680 --> 1:42:58.300 Yeah. 1:42:59.870 --> 1:43:00.150 What? 1:43:00.330 --> 1:43:03.980 Like, that shit was dumb as fuck. So, and that's 1:43:04.000 --> 1:43:05.940 why they got set up. But I like that whole 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:09.180 damn scene and everything like that. And I do think 1:43:09.260 --> 1:43:11.920 it ended kind of corny with the picture taken. But 1:43:12.140 --> 1:43:15.860 either way it go, I think it was enough to 1:43:15.920 --> 1:43:17.300 get me to watch season two. 1:43:20.220 --> 1:43:22.979 Y'all have to tell me about it because I'm not, 1:43:23.820 --> 1:43:26.019 I'm still not 100% sold on the show. 1:43:26.120 --> 1:43:28.430 As much as you like Snowfall and you don't want 1:43:28.450 --> 1:43:28.790 to get on it. 1:43:28.850 --> 1:43:29.550 That's why. 1:43:30.070 --> 1:43:33.580 As much as I like Snowfall, it doesn't feel like 1:43:33.620 --> 1:43:35.300 Snowfall to me. 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:38.810 I mean, none of the Walking Dead's that I felt 1:43:38.820 --> 1:43:40.290 like Walking Dead, but still Walking Dead. 1:43:40.310 --> 1:43:41.590 No, I did. I don't know. 1:43:42.010 --> 1:43:42.280 Which one? 1:43:45.100 --> 1:43:46.549 He got up with it. 1:43:46.580 --> 1:43:52.060 He said, I'm consistent. Real quick, he smacked the shit 1:43:52.100 --> 1:43:53.660 out of Wanda with that vase. He had a little 1:43:53.710 --> 1:43:56.410 tiny nigga tantrum, man. That's what I. 1:43:56.450 --> 1:44:00.210 Was trying to tell you. He was going to really 1:44:00.250 --> 1:44:03.309 let it go. I had to rewind it three times, Nick. 1:44:03.390 --> 1:44:04.269 He dumped a fish tank on her. 1:44:10.710 --> 1:44:12.170 The commentary on. 1:44:11.950 --> 1:44:14.560 The internet about that is kind of wild too. 1:44:14.600 --> 1:44:15.440 What do they say? 1:44:15.540 --> 1:44:16.840 Oh, that's crazy. That's insane. 1:44:17.020 --> 1:44:18.260 Yeah, that's wild. 1:44:25.270 --> 1:44:28.310 That's insane. I was shocked that he hit her with that. 1:44:28.470 --> 1:44:30.350 I thought he was going for something. 1:44:30.450 --> 1:44:33.370 It was just like, damn, nigga. 1:44:34.130 --> 1:44:35.490 You went that hard? 1:44:35.530 --> 1:44:36.070 She knew. 1:44:36.110 --> 1:44:36.920 She set that up. 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:41.720 Hey, crackheads will go to the extreme, dog. They going to. 1:44:41.400 --> 1:44:41.880 Get it done. 1:44:41.960 --> 1:44:43.260 If he kill me, you got to watch. 1:44:45.380 --> 1:44:49.570 At the end, he fed our boy to the wolves. 1:44:49.610 --> 1:44:51.310 How do y'all feel about that? 1:44:51.350 --> 1:44:51.990 I love that, bro. 1:44:53.320 --> 1:44:56.680 I liked how he did it. I didn't like how 1:44:56.700 --> 1:44:59.400 he used that as an excuse not to take Dara's deal. 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:01.160 That was the bullshit. 1:45:02.939 --> 1:45:03.839 Oh, Leon. 1:45:04.880 --> 1:45:07.600 When they said feed to the wolves, what did they 1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:09.000 mean by that? 1:45:09.060 --> 1:45:09.960 He don't want to know. 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:14.080 Okay, pause the tape. That's what they did. 1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:20.120 Nick, you mean to tell me you just gave a nigga... 1:45:20.430 --> 1:45:23.400 to a group of niggas to get raped. And you 1:45:23.460 --> 1:45:25.360 talk about sex with a woman on the porch right now? 1:45:25.380 --> 1:45:26.640 No, no, no, no, no, no. 1:45:26.660 --> 1:45:27.960 I don't think he got raped. I think he got killed. 1:45:27.979 --> 1:45:28.700 I think he got tortured. 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:29.660 I think it was all of that. 1:45:30.220 --> 1:45:32.000 Oh, if it's all of that, all I know is 1:45:32.020 --> 1:45:33.780 that he's going to be dead by the time they 1:45:33.820 --> 1:45:35.150 do whatever they're going to do. 1:45:35.210 --> 1:45:37.590 I didn't assume rape. I was just thinking they was 1:45:37.650 --> 1:45:38.430 torturing his ass. 1:45:39.070 --> 1:45:41.530 But... Yeah, what he did. 1:45:42.030 --> 1:45:44.730 He was a big cog in how this all went. 1:45:44.770 --> 1:45:48.010 Because think about his name. Leon went to everybody. You 1:45:48.030 --> 1:45:51.309 can honestly say Leon did his absolute best in trying 1:45:51.330 --> 1:45:54.570 to defuse all this shit. He literally talked to DG. 1:45:54.610 --> 1:45:56.969 He talked to Wanda. He talked to Dara. He talked 1:45:57.010 --> 1:46:00.179 to everybody and said, please don't do this shit. One, 1:46:00.450 --> 1:46:04.179 the police outside, so it's hot. Two, it really don't 1:46:04.220 --> 1:46:06.040 need to happen. We can all find a way to 1:46:06.080 --> 1:46:10.280 work this out. And they all chose bullshit. So, yes, 1:46:10.770 --> 1:46:13.010 him dropping them off is like, nigga, I tried to 1:46:13.070 --> 1:46:14.269 tell you about this shit. 1:46:14.990 --> 1:46:16.070 One, I was going to kill you if you mess 1:46:16.090 --> 1:46:18.470 with Wanda. And two, I didn't want you to do 1:46:18.490 --> 1:46:20.170 this because you was going to end up dead regardless 1:46:20.189 --> 1:46:24.030 because of the bloods. So, that's why I was like, 1:46:24.140 --> 1:46:26.280 that's why I'm like, Leon, you already knew how this 1:46:26.300 --> 1:46:28.600 was going to end or this could be an ending. So, 1:46:28.660 --> 1:46:30.760 now that that's taken care of, Donald Thornton was. 1:46:30.700 --> 1:46:34.750 Supposed to Hey, look. Hey, we all left a lot 1:46:34.790 --> 1:46:35.450 of pussy on the table. 1:46:35.470 --> 1:46:37.010 She said she was going to bring a girl. 1:46:37.030 --> 1:46:38.520 I was going to say, not only was she throwing 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:41.240 us a pussy, she had an extra pussy. 1:46:41.720 --> 1:46:45.059 For a last hurrah. Knowing that one ain't the last hurrah. 1:46:45.340 --> 1:46:46.599 And we done after this. 1:46:46.640 --> 1:46:48.660 Yes, absolutely. Sign me up. 1:46:51.030 --> 1:46:53.300 They ain't here for it what's crazy what's crazy don't 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:56.860 they what's crazy don't they her toxic ass she love 1:46:56.880 --> 1:46:58.520 the fact that he denied her because she gonna be 1:46:58.580 --> 1:47:01.720 on his ass season two and she gonna throw more 1:47:01.780 --> 1:47:05.610 deals and we gonna see what kind of nigga he is. 1:47:08.170 --> 1:47:11.710 All right we're gonna get up out of here look 1:47:11.750 --> 1:47:14.720 man this is our review of the drop man hope 1:47:14.820 --> 1:47:18.380 you guys enjoyed that um Yeah, man, as always, you 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:20.660 know what I'm saying, like, subscribe to the channel, you 1:47:20.689 --> 1:47:25.130 know what I'm saying, become a Patreon supporter of Francis II, man. But, yeah, man, 1:47:25.150 --> 1:47:29.030 this has been our review. Some of us looking forward 1:47:29.050 --> 1:47:33.070 to season two, some of us not. But, you know, nonetheless, 1:47:33.110 --> 1:47:36.190 we'll be here to cover it. And, yeah, we'll see 1:47:36.220 --> 1:47:36.809 you on the next one. 1:47:37.040 --> 1:47:38.440 Peace. Peace.