1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: I know that Mike Dumas had a long standing career 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I know that Pete Sdayakovich or Pete Steyanovitch, 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I should say, I don't know why, said Stakovic Pitte Steyanovich. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: I know that Pete Steyanovitch had a long standing career 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: as a kicker in the National Football League, notably with 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. I know that you have players that 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: broke racial barriers in the Big Ten for Indiana University. 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: And I know that Fernanda Mendoza just won the Heisman Trophy. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: But I think I'm safe in saying that our next 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: guest is widely considered the greatest player in the history 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: of Indiana University football. For that matter, he had his 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: number retired. He is the only at the time to 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: have had that. He is a member of the College 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: at Football Hall of Fame. His five two hundred and 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: ninety nine yards rushing when he left Indiana led him 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: to become the runner up in the Heisman Trophy in 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine to Andre Ware. I still think at 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: some point I should go to Andre Ware, knock on 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: the door and say, is Anthony Thompson's Heisman here and 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: his sixty five yard or sixty five yard sixty five 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: excuse me career touchdowns the most for any player in 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: college football. Upon his leaving when he got drafted by 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Cardinals. Anthony Thompson joins me on the program 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: now on the Java House. Peel and poor guest line, Anthony, 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: how are you? 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, brother, Hey, thanks for having me, and 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: thanks for that wonderfully in that introduction. 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Well you're aware of all those stats obviously, right, Yeah, 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, you've heard him a few times, right, Oh, no, 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt about that. Let's begin with this, 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: and I do want to talk about kind of some 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: of the foundation you were a part of and the 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: great coaches that you had as well. And you know 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: you worked for the university upon your playing career coming 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: to a close. But I'm going to allow you to 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of speak for your teammates, your era, you know, 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine. What does this 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: mean for you to see Indiana where they are now? 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: It is unbelievable and unimaginable, uh, that we could be 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: at this uh State right now and doing we're doing 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: uh Coach sig and he's I called him to Pod 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: piper Man and he's got these kids hitting on all cylinders. 44 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: What it means for old Head is like myself, is that, 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: you know, we build the foundation under Coach Mawley and uh, 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: we were a bunch of ragtag tough, uh tough guys. 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: And he's still in us to be tough and we're 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: gonna play. You may beat us, but you're gonna come 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: up wounded. And so that was our philosophy and he, 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: you know, he really instilled, you know, just to discipline 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: in us to play hard, be hard, and not you know, 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: not give up on anything. And I see these kids 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: doing the same thing, and it's just unbelievable what's going on. 54 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: You know, I look back on Anthony when you I 55 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: was just telling somebody, it was always so much fun 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: when Indiana was you know, when you guys first kind 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: of started getting it rolling a little bit. And ABC 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: would always pick and in early October game to do 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: from Bloomington because they liked the areos of the Brown 60 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: County leaves and all of that. And then you've got 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: this running back that's beating Ohio State at Memorial Stadium 62 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: or Badio Michigan or whatever it might be, right, and 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: then the darkest Day and history in Columbus with Earl Bruce. 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden, Indiana's on the 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: map and you're going from the All American Bowl into 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the Peach Bowl, into the Liberty Bowl. You're going into 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: bigger bowl games as you go along. And then obviously 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: things went south again with Indiana football and it got 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: back into that era of mediocrity and obscurity. Was that 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: disappointing and disheartening for you? 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was. 72 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: Because coach Malory always said to that athlete directors, we 73 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: got to keep up. We cannot go backwards. We have 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: to keep up with our facilities, with our recruiting, you know, 75 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: with the monies that are provided for football. 76 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: We have to keep up with it. 77 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: I think sometimes I think sometimes there was a law 78 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: in that, but coach Maliby always mentioned that. And so 79 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: I think one of the attorneyment points that we really 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: had was with with Terry Heppner. I think he was 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: on the he was on the way of doing some 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: great things and then that tragic death, you know, the 83 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: battle with cancer that he lost that that was a 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: tough and I think that, you know, the. 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: Program went down from there a little bit. 86 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: But again I said, you know, what Sega's doing is 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: just is just totally just unbelievable. I mean, you know what, 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: I really wish, I wish, I really wish that coach 89 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: Mallory was here to see what's going on right now and. 90 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: Hepner both right, because those are the two men, you know, 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: And tell me, Anthony if I'm overstating this, Okay, Bill 92 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: Mallory had this leadership of men I want to play for, 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: this fatherlike figure characteristic about him that made guys get 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: the most out of themselves. Terry Heppner had a vision 95 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: of boundaries that needed to be broken through that Indiana 96 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: could do so long as they believed. And Kurt Signetty 97 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: kind of seems to have taken a little of both 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: of those guys. 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: And it's like. 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: There's a little of both, maybe more hep in terms 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: of the vision wrapped in, but it seems fitting that 102 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of the A and the B have finally come 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: together here. Am I overstating that? 104 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: You're spot on? I mean you are spot on. 105 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: We would run through a wall for you know, coach 106 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: Mallory when he said when he said jump, we said, 107 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: how high? Because we believed in him, he believed in us, 108 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: and we could. You know, we knew that he cared 109 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: about us first as men, as young men, and he 110 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: wanted to develop young men before football players. And so 111 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: that's what that's what he did with all of us. 112 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: And so we're called the Mallory Man. And anytime you 113 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: hear that that term, it just takes pride. We take 114 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: pride in that, and it's just so awesome. And when 115 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: you look at Terry Heppner, he was a visionary. 116 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: I mean he was. 117 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: He was like the first pig piper. I mean he 118 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: could that dud should have been a politician, Okay, I 119 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: mean he was. He was unbelievable. Uh And I think 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: sig right, I think you're right. He's got a little 121 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: bit both of them, that you know, but more I think, 122 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: more Terry Heppner than anything. But I just I'm just 123 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: flabbergast of what he's been able to do. 124 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: You after your playing career, Anthony Thompson's My guest Jaba 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: House Peel and Port guest line. After your playing career, 126 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: you served as a Senior Associate Athletic Director for Development 127 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: for Indiana University. You have recently retired from that position. 128 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: You retired how long ago from that? Two years ago? Okay, 129 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: so you were So did you get a chance to 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: see because I'm kind of curious with Kurt Signetti coming in, 131 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: It is my understanding, Anthony, and you tell me if 132 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: this is off base. But Kurt Signetti basically came in, 133 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: looked around and said, this place needs a complete culture overhaul, 134 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: just in terms of this is a facility filled with 135 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: people that just assume it can't be done, and I've 136 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: got to pump some juice into that and maybe me 137 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the one to put my neck out there. And there 138 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: just was this instant infusion. How did you see it 139 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: from your perspective? 140 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: I saw it as this guy is an he's an assassin. 141 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: That's first. You know, when he get his first press 142 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: conference when he said google me, I said, oh, this 143 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: guy's different here right now, this guy's different. And he 144 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: he and he knew that he needed to change the culture. 145 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: He knew that he needed to change the way that 146 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: the university thought about Indiana football. He knew that he 147 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: had the change state in the Nation of how they 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: thought about Indiana football. That's one of the first things 149 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: that he did, and he took on that as a 150 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: warrior and as a sack. That guy has ice in 151 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: his veins. Man, when I hear his interviews, it's just like, Oh, 152 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: I would have loved I would have loved to play 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: for him, because he's just so confident. He's just so 154 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: he's not a cosier arrogant. He's confident what he knows, 155 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: what he can do and how it can He's a 156 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: leader of young men. And so that was the most 157 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: thing that that's that really excited me about, you know, 158 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: one of his first in the first time I've ever 159 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: heard him. And so no, he had he had to 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: change the culture, he had to change the mindsets because 161 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: I guess you know, we were They're losing this university 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: in the country, and so you better come in with 163 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 2: your guns loaded. 164 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: And he did. 165 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: And then in terms of the on field, Anthony, you 166 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: know the game you played it, Anthony Thompson, my guest, 167 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: what about this team has most jumped out at you? 168 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: And what is the area that might give you concern 169 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: going into this rematch with Oregon? 170 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: You know, the first thing I would tell you this 171 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: that the quarterback, uh Fernandandos. 172 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: He's he's unbelievable. 173 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: You talk about a leader, talking about a humble individual, 174 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: You talking about a guy that his teammates loved to 175 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: play for. 176 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean he is. 177 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: He is unbelieved, a very articul very just a just 178 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: a good person. He was more of a better person 179 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: off the field than on the field. And so I 180 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: would lead with that because if you've got to lead 181 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: to like that, people will play. You know, you'll play 182 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: harder for that individual. I call him he's almost like 183 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: a junior Tom Brady. Now I'm gonna lose those terms lose, 184 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: but he's all he reminds me of that because he'll 185 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: get this. He'll get a team. When a play is called, 186 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: he'll get his team in the right play. You have 187 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: to change the play, He'll get him in the right play. 188 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: That's what I love about him. He's you know, has 189 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: nice in his veins. And so I saw I think 190 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: you start with that, and I think when you go 191 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: into this game against Oregon, you know you gotta throw 192 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: that first game out. That means he's a different team 193 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: or just a different team, you know. But the thing 194 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: about us, we're hitting on all cylinders. So it's gonna 195 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: be like coach Mallley would say, it'll be an old 196 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: fashioned Donnie Brook And I think uh Sieg will have 197 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: our you know, teams prepared and we don't make very 198 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: many mistakes, so we need to knock on wood and 199 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: keep you know, doing not not doing that. So I'm 200 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: excited about this matchup. It's gonna be a great matchup 201 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: in a great game. 202 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I've been bitter, bitter, Anthony, Anthony Thompson, my guest, I've 203 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: been bitter for thirty It helped this year to finally 204 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: exercise the demons of bitterness within me. But when you 205 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: had three hundred and seventy seven yards against Wisconsin, I 206 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: said to myself, the Heisman trophies coming to Bloomington. I mean, 207 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: it just is. And then there's the Sports Illustrated cover 208 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: that said five for the Heisman, and I'm going to 209 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: go off the top of my head, I believe it 210 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: was Emmitt Smith was one of those five? 211 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: Was he not mis Smith? 212 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: Okay, Emmitt Smith, Anthony Thompson obviously Andre Ware who ended 213 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: up Major Harris of West Virginia, right, Yes, who was 214 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: the fifth one? 215 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: Do you remember? I don't recover. 216 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: Was Tony Rice wasn't still a notre name? 217 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: Was he Tony Memory? Good? 218 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: So those five so, and then as the race is 219 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: coming down to it, and I'm working at o'malia's food 220 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: market over by Cathedral High School, and I'm working in 221 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: the produce section that day, and I'm listening to the 222 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: radio and the bucket games on, and Indiana's about to 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: lose the bucket, and I'm thinking, if they lose the bucket, 224 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: they don't go to a bowl game. And if they 225 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: don't go to a bowl game, they don't get a Heisman. 226 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: And Bill Mallory puts Anthony Thompson in for the kick 227 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: return to try to put Indiana in position. And in 228 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: my mind, and each time I rethink this, Anthony, I 229 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: give you five more yards. In my mind, you returned 230 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: it ninety two yards down to the eight yard line. 231 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: Now, now I don't. 232 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: Know that it was that, but it was a hell 233 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: of a return. Now, give me take me through the 234 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: thought process of how you ended up. And maybe I'm wrong, 235 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: maybe you were a return man earlier in your time 236 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: in Indiana, but that felt like a hail Mary on ground. 237 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: To take me through it. 238 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: Well, you know I didn't, you know. 239 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: The game was winding down and Coach mounts, hey, I 240 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: want Anthony, you know, to return to the ball. 241 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I haven't done that all year. 242 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: You know, and I don't know if I can catch 243 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: the ball a point and so, but I was just 244 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: so excited about the bucket game, playing the bucket and said, okay, 245 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: we got to do something here. And so the ball 246 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: picked directly to me was our surprise. I thought they 247 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: would kick it away and I'll run down the sideline, 248 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: and just all of a sudden, I was down the 249 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: right sideline and ran out a room, and if I 250 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: was a little bit faster, I think I would have 251 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: touched down. But we got pretty close to it, and 252 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: so it was exciting. That was an exciting time. It's like, 253 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, it's like you want the ball, you want 254 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: the game in your hands. If you're a baller, you 255 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: want the game in your hands. Okay, And so I 256 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: felt really good about. 257 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: That you stepped out of bounds. Where do you remember 258 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: how close you got? Because in my mind eight yard. 259 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Line, I want to say, probably fifteen yard line, maybe 260 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: ten or fifteen yard line, something somewhere like that. 261 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 4: I'll stick with eight yard line, your eight yard time, now, 262 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 4: I will tell you that. 263 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: And then unfortunately Scott ban Now missed the field goal 264 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: and out of Castle High School and you guys didn't 265 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: get to go to the Bowl. 266 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: But I do think still that. 267 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 3: Now. 268 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 4: Do you have a relationship with Andre Ware? 269 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely. 270 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a quick funny story about Andre Andre. 271 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: I was when I was administrator. I you, we were 272 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: playing in Illinois and they came to our stadium and 273 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: Andrey Ware was the broadcaster, okay, and they wanted me 274 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: to do a broadcast. 275 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: They wanted me to come. 276 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: Up and talk with them at halftime, you know, talk 277 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: about the game and things like that. So we're on 278 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: national television. Mind okay, So I'm Andre and I forget 279 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: the other guy's name. And so the first thing I 280 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: said on national tell said, Andre, where's my Heisman trophy? 281 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: Yet? Oh? 282 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: He busted out laughing, totally off guard, and everybody just 283 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: started busting out laugh So Andrew is. 284 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: A great guy. 285 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: We're really good friends, and so he you know again, 286 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: he just really back then was a really enjoyable time. 287 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 2: I never even thought of it, never even dreamed about 288 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: being able to run sort of highest trophy. 289 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: You should at least get the trophy every other weekend, right. 290 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: Right, all honestly, you maybe just share. 291 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Everyone knows it. Everyone knows it, right, I mean, come on, 292 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: let's be real here. Okay, here's the other thing I 293 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: was going. 294 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: To tell you. 295 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you're a thought on this. So 296 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, I go to the University 297 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: of Kansas. Okay, and I'm at the University of Kansas. 298 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: I ended up transferring back to AU but I'm at 299 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: University of Kansas and on the dorm floor, we have 300 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: a Techmobil League. Okay, everybody gets to be a team 301 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: in Technobul. I got like second pick, and I'm like, 302 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the Phoenix Cardinals, specifically because I 303 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: wanted Anthony Thompson on my Techno bil fan boying here 304 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: and telling you this. So I will tell you this. 305 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: They didn't give you Bo Jackson speed on Techmobile. But 306 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: every time that I got the ball down to the 307 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: one yard line, I would hand it to you at 308 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: first and goal, and then second and goal, and third 309 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and goal, and usually it was fourth and goal, and 310 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: eventually the game would let you score. Now you led 311 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: the University of Kansas Techmobil League at the JRP Dorm 312 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: floor too, with seventy one touchdowns in that season. Okay, 313 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: but they didn't exactly give you burning wheels to do it. 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Did you ever take up any issue with Techmo Bill 315 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: at the way that they had Anthony Thompson profiled. 316 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 317 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: Anybody would love to have Bo Jackson's speed by the 318 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: way that was he was. That was ungodly speed that 319 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: he had, So no, I had no problem. Was I 320 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: was just kind of a power runner, hard Noles runner. 321 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm myself after the late great Walter Payton, his running style, 322 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: just physicality. 323 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't a burner. I was not a burner. 324 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: I wouldn't didn't have great speed, but I was a 325 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: decent you know, and the things that I perfected and 326 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: you know at I'm a running back craft. 327 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: Okay. Lastly, before we let you go, two things. 328 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: Number One, I want to give you the chance here 329 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: to let our listeners know what being an Indiana football player, 330 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: and notably what being a player that was playing for 331 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: Bill Mallory meant for you then and what it means 332 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: for you now. 333 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: Playing for Bill Malery. I'll start with that again, he 334 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: was a leader of men. He taught manon, I was 335 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: gonna name my first daughter after him Mallory, but my 336 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: wife shut that down and said no. 337 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: We talked. 338 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: We talked about naming her Sierra to the Oops, and 339 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: so I wanted to name That's how that And I 340 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: bet you just probably teen to twenty guys that named 341 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: their children after Bill Mallory. That's that's how much she 342 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: met to us as a father and as a leader, 343 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: as a and as a coach. And the way I 344 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: feel now, I'm so proud of what these guys are doing. 345 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of the Hoosier Nation. And this is 346 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: what this is what we're being looking for for eons. 347 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: I mean this, I mean this is since nineteen fifty 348 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: forty five or something when Joe Taler, when the Taller 349 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: Fare was George Hali Ferrell was playing, and so we 350 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: were this is what we've been looking for. When they're 351 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: hoping for is now it's happened. You got a pictures 352 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: that we were pitching. It's like we're living to dream. This, 353 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: We're living a dream man. This is serious and so 354 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: it's very exciting. 355 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: The well, first off, you're playing for the game will 356 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: be what are you going down? I assume going down 357 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: to the Peach School. 358 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Oh yeah, oh absolutely. 359 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you got to be front 360 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: and center for all of it, right, Oh, I would 361 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: not miss it. And then you will be heading to 362 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Miami after that, right to see them hoist trophy. 363 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: Hey, no doubt about that. I'll be on the field 364 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: that game. Can you if they promise you that. 365 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: If they did it this way where they honored you, 366 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: could you do another one of those like three yard 367 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: leaps into the end zone? 368 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: Is that still possible? You get me, boy? 369 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: The int away I might be I might be able 370 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: to jump over a penny. 371 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 372 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: But listen, if there's a national championship trophy with Indiana's 373 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: name inscribed on an on the other side, I'll bet 374 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: you'll find a way, right. 375 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll find Oh you better believe that. I'll find 376 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: a way. I'll conjure up Bill Mallory and I'll find 377 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: the way. Trust and believe that. 378 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, my understanding is your nickname in high school was Amp, 379 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: but now, of course at is what most people know. 380 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: Anthony Thompson, the legendary Indiana football player number thirty two, 381 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: will never be worn again for the Cream and Crimson. Anthony, 382 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: it is a great pleasure to have you on. Certainly 383 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: enjoy the success. I enjoyed watching you as a player 384 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: and hope you soak in everything that comes with it. 385 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: And should they win, we would love to have you 386 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: back on the program. 387 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, thank you so much. I really enjoyed yourself. 388 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate it. 389 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: Anthony Thompson joining me on the Java House, Peel and 390 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: poor guest line. One of the legendary players down in Bloomington, 391 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: and again his number thirty two. I believe I'm correct 392 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: in saying later in Jevsen and the Crossover, I can 393 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: ask for clarification, but I believe his number thirty two 394 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: has been retired sport wide in Indiana. I don't think 395 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: any athlete can wear thirty two in Bloomington, regardless of sport. 396 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I could be wrong in that, but certainly he was 397 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: the first football player to have his number retired at IU.