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Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Kendall and k C Show, our

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Speaker 1: three of the program.

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Speaker 2: If you've missed a moment, you can.

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Speaker 1: Catch the podcast uploaded to WIBC dot com under the

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Speaker 1: Kendal and KC Show page. This is not Rob Kendall,

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Speaker 1: nor is it Case Daniels. My name is Ethan Hatcher.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me is the esteem Brad Klopfenstein. Together

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Speaker 1: we're filling in, and of course producer keV is on

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Speaker 1: the board Brad. Earlier in the show, we touched against

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Speaker 1: the scandal that will not die in the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: and part of the reason is because Donald Trump himself

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Speaker 1: continues to keep it alive with incredibly unwise statements. I'm

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Speaker 1: referring to the Epstein files and the Epstein case more broadly.

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Speaker 1: The latest drop this week on Tuesday. According to the

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Speaker 1: President himself, the genesis between the falling out between himself

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Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein was caused by Epstein poaching employees, potentially

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Speaker 1: young girls from mar Alago, and this was reported by five.

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Speaker 2: Epstein has a certain reputation obviously, which is curious. Were

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Speaker 2: some of the workers that were taken from you?

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Speaker 3: Were some of them young women with some of them,

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Speaker 3: some of them young women.

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Speaker 4: Well I don't want to say, but everyone knows the

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Speaker 4: people that would take it, and it was the concept

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Speaker 4: of taking people that work for me as man. But

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Speaker 4: that story has been pretty well out there and the

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Speaker 4: answer is yes, they were yah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the spot, the small young people who work

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Speaker 3: in the spa, a great spat, one of the best

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Speaker 3: spaws in the world at Marlaw, and people would take

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Speaker 3: it out of the spot, hired by.

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Speaker 4: Him, in other words, gone, and other people would come

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Speaker 4: and go play. This guy is taking people from the spot.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. And then when I heard about it,

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Speaker 2: I told him him.

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Speaker 4: I said, listen, we don't want you're taking our people,

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Speaker 4: whether it was SPA or not SPA, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to take it people.

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Speaker 2: And he was fined.

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Speaker 4: And then not too long after that he did it

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Speaker 4: again and I said, out of here, I was stolen.

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Speaker 2: You know, Virginia Jeffrey, I don't know. I think you

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Speaker 5: I think that was one of the new pions.

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Speaker 2: He's told her.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, she had no complaints about us,

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Speaker 4: as you know, done whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was on the Sex Island, but only for

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Speaker 2: the snorkeling.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know anything about the kids stuff.

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Speaker 2: Look, ninety percent of what went on down there was

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Speaker 2: not pedophilia. Oh yeah, no, the other five percent, that's

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Speaker 2: Sully the whole operation. Yeah, I sure did.

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Speaker 1: So we now have here to have more ties between

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. And he actually walked himself

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Speaker 1: out of a denial on into admission in the course

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Speaker 1: of about twenty seconds there, saying that you know, it

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Speaker 1: was Virginia Guffrey one of the individuals that was scalped

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Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein off the mar A Lago. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: well maybe, actually I think you're right. She was one

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Speaker 2: But he stole her. But he's like she was property,

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Speaker 2: so Ethan, just so I have got this right. So

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein and Giselle Maxwell, they get arrested and then

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Speaker 2: are Epstein files, and lots of people have been beating

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Speaker 2: the drum of release the files, and Trump was even

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Speaker 2: at one time one of the people saying release the files.

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Speaker 2: And he gets elected, he says, we're going to release

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Speaker 2: the files, and they released teaser files to certain influencers,

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Speaker 2: and then now it's a hoax, and now all of

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Speaker 2: never any names. However, I know that Bill Clinton was there,

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Speaker 2: what twenty four, twenty eight times. It's like, well, how

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Speaker 2: would you know that if there were no files, sir?

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Speaker 2: And I then it was Trump saying well, I didn't

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Speaker 2: really know Jeffrey Epstein. Well, I mean I hung around

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Speaker 2: other than a few times, but he invited me to

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Speaker 2: And it's like what, and again, how does somebody steal

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Speaker 2: your employee? I mean, they can recruit them. But stealing

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Speaker 2: is a very weird, weird word. Yeah, it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a very possessive term. It is a possessive term. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the number of connections between these two individuals is troubling,

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Speaker 1: I would say, especially when you have now Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: he keeps making these curious remarks about past association between himself,

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Speaker 2: So now, Ethan, I know that this is probably just

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Speaker 2: But is it possible that maybe there were a lot

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Speaker 2: of key Democrats that were on the list that they

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Speaker 2: We're going to release the list, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden they see the list and like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people in our circle, maybe even

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Speaker 2: the big guy that's on the list, And now the

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Speaker 2: But is it possible.

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible, and I think the conclusion is

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Speaker 1: entirely reasonable based on the reaction from both sides of

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Speaker 1: the isle. And of course you've got Democrats who are

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Speaker 1: attempting to drum up sympathy, and you know say that

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Speaker 1: the files should be released, but then they're holding votes

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Speaker 1: against releasing the files, just like the Republicans. So I

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Speaker 1: think both parties have dirty hands here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, and I know Giselle Maxwell. They want her

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Speaker 2: give it to her. I want to hear what she

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Speaker 1: Well that, of course, it's also entirely possible that she

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Speaker 1: could be suicided, just like Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: She needs to put out one of those statements that

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Speaker 1: Here's some curious, curious testimony that was recently re released

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Speaker 1: to the public dating back to March of twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: when Jeffrey Epstein was under a civil lawsuit and attempting

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Speaker 1: to defend himself from these accusations, and during the deposition,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was brought up.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

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Speaker 6: What do you mean the closer relationships?

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Speaker 2: Have you socialized with him?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes? Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: the presence.

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Speaker 1: Of females under the age of eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Though, I'd like to answer that question at least today

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to sert my fifth, sixth and

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Speaker 7: Curious and curious.

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Speaker 1: What is a reasonable person supposed to conclude when they

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Speaker 1: hear statements like that? And of course he didn't provide

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Speaker 1: any clarity, asserted his fifth Amendment right, But that leaves

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Speaker 1: we know the incredibly ceddy, shady things that were happening

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Speaker 1: on pedophile Island. Ethan, we're not supposed to We're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to ask these We're not supposed to ask these

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to take what they tell you as strict

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Speaker 1: I don't care which party participated in potentially pedophilic acts.

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Speaker 1: It's not a partisan issue.

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Speaker 2: No, it is about the victims.

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Speaker 1: See, victims need prioritized most of all, especially because this

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Speaker 1: appears to be the largest sex trafficking scandal to ever

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Speaker 2: I would agree. It's I don't know. I just find

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Speaker 2: it fascinating that there's not that there's not more people

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Speaker 2: and more news outlets that are hammering this saying, wait

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Speaker 2: a second, this does not add up. How can you

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Speaker 2: say that we've got filed, we've got files, we've got files,

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Speaker 2: and now we don't have files.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, Brad. And there's so many questions

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Speaker 2: It would seem to imply.

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Speaker 1: A large network preponderance of individuals who are participating in

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Speaker 1: we don't know because there's no transparency surrounding this, and

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Speaker 1: that's the most troubling aspect.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And now they've backed themselves into a corner

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Speaker 2: where they're trying to prove a negative. If there were

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Speaker 2: no files, that's great, But you've been saying for so

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Speaker 2: long that there's files that you're going to release that

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Speaker 2: now in everybody's minds, these files exist.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump is the one who stirred the fire,

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Speaker 1: to live up to that expectation.

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Speaker 2: So yes, most people would say that he's backed himself

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Speaker 1: Well, Teflon don it seems like this one might actually stick.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC. Of course, we're

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Speaker 1: going to continue to cover the Epstein cases. More information

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Speaker 1: have a special guest and friend of the show, Abdul

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Speaker 1: Hakeem Shabaz. He's coming on to discuss the plausibility or

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Speaker 1: possibility of this astronomer CEO, who is now threatening to

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Speaker 1: sue Coldplay for publishing his image and disclosing the affair

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of.

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Speaker 2: You know, so you calmed around.

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Speaker 1: You're not, I'll probably hand it up ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 2: This is the Kendall and k C Show.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher and Brad Kloppenstein filling in, joined in the

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Speaker 1: studio by friend of the show and all around good

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Speaker 1: guy Abdul Hakeem Shabaz, welcome, my friend.

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Speaker 5: So there was workhost legal stuff like what huh, excuse

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Speaker 5: me what I'm trying to suit people?

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Speaker 2: What's going on here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I figured a gentleman like yourself knows a thing or

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Speaker 1: two about defamation. And apparently this according to reports, because

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Speaker 1: official filings have not come forth yet, the astronomer CEO

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Speaker 1: is contemplating suing Coldplay for publishing and.

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Speaker 5: Byron, yeah, Andy, Byron Guy. I looked at his horoscope today.

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Speaker 5: Here's what it says. Visibility is high. Unfortunately, so as

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Speaker 5: a resolution, you're lucky to find yourself on camera, on blasts,

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Speaker 5: on an administrative leave. Cetter warrens, when your kids, when

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Speaker 5: you're when your kis hits the camp, don't let your

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Speaker 5: lawyer hit sin.

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Speaker 2: Now tell me if I'm wrong me as a legal layman,

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Speaker 2: I would think that anytime I venture out in the public,

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Speaker 2: especially a very large concert like Coldplay, I have zero

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Speaker 2: expectation of privacy.

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Speaker 5: You are correct, sir, Give bad man a cigar?

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Speaker 2: All right, Here we go, Here we go. I too

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Speaker 2: could be a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only is the expectation of privacy neil, because

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Speaker 2: Now, nobody would have recognized him and nothing would have happened. Well,

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Speaker 2: It was. It was just saculation. It was just a joke.

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Speaker 5: And number two, tu shall always be defense against liable.

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Speaker 5: So if they're not having an affair, then he's got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, discovery can pretty damage you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so why we'll get up with the other ten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, even more fascinating this In this case, didn't

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Speaker 5: Yes, it like some candle trick thing.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a very astute meteor rep and

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Speaker 5: And also, gotta be right, cold Play didn't fire him.

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Speaker 5: Coldplay did not fire Astronomer fired him. Right, So if

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't you sue astronomer like you said for wrong

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Speaker 5: Well if you got if you, if you look like this,

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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly right, Like Okay, so you can't see cold

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Speaker 5: It's by the men's room.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so, which I think is funny. So this

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Speaker 5: That's how you do. That's how a popular culture. Because

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Speaker 2: It's been up Satday of Live yet oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their giant green mascot. It re enacted the same

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Speaker 5: Indians should have cold Play Night.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everything, don't cheat, don't cheat.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing. If if there's any sort

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, yes we do because people do stupid things

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Speaker 1: So the reason why I wanted to have you on

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Speaker 1: this segment, Abduel, is because you know a thing or

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Speaker 5: Actually that was just working on that when you guys

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Speaker 1: So so for the uninitiated, and of course we know

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Speaker 5: Well, they're basically two types of defamation, technically four types.

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Speaker 5: So there's regular definite, which I say something bad about you,

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Speaker 5: That's probably fact of life. However, Abdul's an ass who's

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Speaker 2: He's on the market selling right now. But then I

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Speaker 5: And then I just get its a chain, Okay, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Cant I get your name and an address? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I just asked mister David Waters and Jeremiarh toevobo.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned limited liability from a public figure. Now,

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Speaker 2: That's my neighbor. He's CEO of some company. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But see, but I think is have they not done anything,

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Speaker 2: Nobody bat an eye, right, Yeah, that's just it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Would much rather deal with that defamation than do with

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Speaker 2: And that's what this is.

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Speaker 5: Like, You're probably just safe for dealing with the defamation

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Speaker 2: Well, it went viral so fast. So, like I said,

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Speaker 1: A social media virus. Hey, Abduell, we got about forty

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Speaker 5: Actually, I'm on Michigan this weekend, so there is no

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Speaker 2: Oh, it'll be a good time. Yeah, you'll be relaxed.

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Speaker 5: If I will, they'll come back and you well, that's foolish.

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Speaker 5: That's when I get back on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Lots of relaxing things at the Dispenseri. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: and thanks for coming in abdul my pleasure. Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC. This is Ethan Hatcher and Brad Klopfenstein

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Speaker 1: who are filling in on the Kendall and KC Show.

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Speaker 2: Don't miss a moment. We still got a lot to

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Speaker 1: And the great song selection from producer keV. This is

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Speaker 1: the Kendal and k C Show, ninety three WIBC. Ethan

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Speaker 1: Hatcher and Brad Klopfenstein in And what better summertime activity

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Speaker 1: is there bread than attending the Indiana State Fair.

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Speaker 2: I love the Indiana State Fair.

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Speaker 1: It is by far one of the best highlights every year.

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Speaker 1: I've never had a bad day at the State Fair.

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Speaker 1: How can you have a bad day at the State Fair?

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Speaker 1: There's midway, there's animals, there's music, there's chatchkes, there's food,

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Speaker 1: there's anything and everything and wonderful people in between. I

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Speaker 1: love going to the State Fair.

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Speaker 2: What say you? I would agree? Which I like a

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Speaker 2: good festival. I like a good party to a parogi fest.

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Speaker 2: Pro That's why I was in I was in Whiting

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Speaker 2: for parogi fests last Friday. Help tell people what a

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Speaker 2: parogi is. Because I actually was introduced to parogis by

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Speaker 2: my Pennsylvania friend a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I've never had a parogi before. So progis are typically

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Speaker 1: a pole. It's like a Polish dumpling. Pretty much any

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Speaker 1: society has their version of a dumpling. Sure, but this

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Speaker 1: is a about the size of a clam, and it's

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Speaker 1: like a potato f It is stuffed with potato and

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Speaker 1: a kid have sauer kraut or cheese or there's so

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Speaker 1: they probably had twenty five different types of progis up there,

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Speaker 1: the potatoes inside of it. I thought the soto was

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Speaker 1: the dumpling material.

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Speaker 2: Well I don't know. So it's like a dough on

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Speaker 2: the outside and you got a filling. So the potato

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Speaker 2: and whatever else is in there is the filling that

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Speaker 2: goes in it.

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Speaker 1: So, see, I've had a perogi a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and I still don't know what the damn thing right exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's basically a big dumpling potato. It's starch,

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Speaker 1: it's tasty, it's good, it's fried. Any anytime you fry something,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's going to find a home in

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Speaker 1: the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So this festival, apparently it started off thirty

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Speaker 2: five years ago, was a small thing. They probably had

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Speaker 2: I think they said they were going to get about

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people a day that we're going to

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Speaker 2: show up. But this was four blocks long on either

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Speaker 2: side of the street. It was vendors shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 2: So I'm guessing I don't know, forty vendors, maybe fifty vendors,

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Speaker 2: and they all had progi's and various other things on

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Speaker 2: a pole of sausage that had beer tents. They had

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Speaker 2: like five live music stages. The one hundred thousand people

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Speaker 2: a day, thousand a day? How long was this festival

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Speaker 2: going on? Three days Friday Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: Son, Okay, Well, hey, that stacks up at least pretty

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Speaker 1: decent for a small town festival compared to the Indiana

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Speaker 1: State Fair, which usually sees about eight hundred and nine

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand atten d's, and you know, hopefully we'll get

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Speaker 1: a bunch coming this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you go, what is the first thing

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Speaker 2: you do?

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Speaker 1: When you go to the fair, first thing I do

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Speaker 1: is check out the Pioneer Village. I always go the

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Speaker 1: rear entrance because you can usually find a good place

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Speaker 1: to park over there by what used to be the

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Speaker 1: Farm Bureau building that is now I think the State

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Speaker 1: Farm building.

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Speaker 2: That maybe, I lord, you park at the Deaf school.

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Speaker 1: I park near the Deaf school right, okay, right in

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Speaker 1: the rear, and then walk in through the Farm Bureau building.

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Speaker 2: Check out whatever they've got going in there. Check out the.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the structure with the

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Speaker 1: solar panels on it, and they yeah, the farming structure.

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Speaker 1: And then I love to check out everything in the

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Speaker 1: Pioneer Village, all those Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know how much I love antiques.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's just it.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that is right up your alley. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because yes, you you're like anything that's one hundred years old.

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Speaker 1: Well, and getting to see the way you know, things

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Speaker 1: were made one hundred years ago, like you said, in

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Speaker 1: the machinery that is still in operation and being kept

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Speaker 1: alive by the love and perseverance of people who are

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Speaker 1: keeping stewards of that history.

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Speaker 2: Antique tractors are must see for me. I love seeing

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Speaker 2: the old tractors, and you're right, it's amazing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: just like classic cards. It's amazing that these things all

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Speaker 2: still run and they've been kept up. And yeah, to

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Speaker 2: see the various designs that were on them. And then

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Speaker 2: the food. Now, do you go to the midway at all? No,

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Speaker 2: I always skipped the midway.

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Speaker 1: See then too, I am a man of tradition, and

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Speaker 1: I've been doing the State Fair the same way since

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Speaker 1: i was buttle lad, and I always make sure to

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Speaker 1: make my way around the entire loop. And then I

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Speaker 1: usually like to get the highlights of the fair food,

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Speaker 1: because why I come to the State Fair.

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Speaker 2: I come to eat.

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Speaker 1: I come to you know, get all you know, my

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Speaker 1: fried fixings. I like an elephant ear, I like a

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Speaker 1: corn dog. I like a ribbi sandwich, I like a margarita,

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Speaker 1: like a turkey leg. And I don't have as big

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Speaker 1: of an appetite as I used to I lost a

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Speaker 1: bunch of weights, so now I got to share a

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Speaker 1: lot of this Someboddy, So that way I can actually

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Speaker 1: eat my way around the State Fair and then you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe check out one of the new specialty items that

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Speaker 1: they're selling as well. Always got to get some cotton candy.

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Speaker 1: Always got to get some of that kettle corn that

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Speaker 1: sold right next to the d n R building.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: They've been at that spot for years and they got

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Speaker 1: that big cast iron kettle that they cook it all

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Speaker 1: in right in front of you. It's always wafting through

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Speaker 1: the air. It smells fantastic. What about you, Brad, what's

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Speaker 1: your State Fair tradition?

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Speaker 2: I love to go and I always hit the dairy

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Speaker 2: barn because I got to have a milkshake. Whatever big

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Speaker 2: meal I'll have will either be at the pork tent

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Speaker 2: or the beef tent because I love going to the

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Speaker 2: producer tents. Plus it supports the producers. I'm not as

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Speaker 2: big of a fan of just the carnie vendors that

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Speaker 2: are there.

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Speaker 1: And how can you forget since you mentioned the producers

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Speaker 1: and the animals, how can you.

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Speaker 2: Forget about the animals? I like I will go into

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Speaker 2: the hog barn and look at the hogs walk around

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Speaker 2: on shoot sheep barn. The Afro ducks, I always get it.

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Speaker 2: I love the Afro ducks. I love the fancy chickens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're cool too, So I go to that. I do

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Speaker 2: like to go into the commercial building just to see

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Speaker 2: who's giving away good stuff, because they do give away

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Speaker 2: a lot of good stuff. They're at the fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and uh for Rah building. All those kids and

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Speaker 1: their projects. Some of those kids are really artistic. Oh

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Speaker 1: screw those kids.

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Speaker 2: I'm just teasing for. I love you.

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Speaker 1: The the sculptures, the art, the little budding entomologists there

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Speaker 1: with their bug collections. Always like seeing all the bugs

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Speaker 1: pinned up, the beatles, the things that are collected around

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Speaker 1: the state that you really never even see unless you're

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Speaker 1: going and looking for them, like these little six grade kids.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Have you ever taken the tram that goes overhead? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh the trend that goes overhead? No, I take

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Speaker 1: the tram around. That was the one that's pulled by

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Speaker 1: the tractor.

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Speaker 2: You've taken. But they've also got the uh yeah, the

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Speaker 2: overhead the skylift. Okay, yeah, I'm not taking that day

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Speaker 2: I want to do it.

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Speaker 1: So I've not done that, and I've not done the

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Speaker 1: Ferris Wheel.

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Speaker 2: It's just why you got paid for it, right, fan

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Speaker 2: for enough as it is. So they have some pretty

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Speaker 2: cool demonstrations over there. I know, me and my wife

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Speaker 2: went two or three years ago and they had horses

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Speaker 2: out there doing it wasn't quite barrel racing, but they

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Speaker 2: were doing all sorts of stuff with ponies, and they

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Speaker 2: were doing tricks. I don't know, but I enjoy everything

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Speaker 2: about it also the same reason I love going to

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Speaker 2: county fairs. Yeah, and the Pepsi Coliseum. Sometimes they'll put.

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Speaker 1: Mulch down and then they'll have the wagon exhibit exhibitions

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Speaker 1: where they have teams of horses pulling around these incredibly

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Speaker 1: ornate wagons.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful. It's neat. How long until you get your

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Speaker 2: own kind of stoga wagon since you like antiques and

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Speaker 2: old stuff.

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Speaker 1: Probably not for a long time because those things cost

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: They are not cheap. Horses are a rich man's game.

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Speaker 2: You ought to know that, well. I know, horses are, yeah, horses, the.

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Speaker 1: Horses are expensive. And then the thing that the horses

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Speaker 1: are pulling is expensive. I don't have that kind of disposable.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you a powered CONDI start of the way

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Speaker 2: and we'll put a on Moore engine in it and

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Speaker 2: it's on done road.

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Speaker 1: I have to least triple my real estate empire before

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Speaker 1: I could contemplate purchase like that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Jim Merces House is on the market.

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Speaker 2: Turn that into an airbnb so you can buy that. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see, you'll have to contact the bank for a loan.

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Speaker 2: I know some bankers, you know, you never know, it's

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Speaker 2: the end of the month, they might need a loan

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Speaker 2: some money.

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Speaker 1: What's a you producer, keV. You a big fan of

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Speaker 1: the Indiana State Fair? What is your State Fair tradition?

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Speaker 7: I always enjoy just going to the concerts on the

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Speaker 7: stage by the Colisseum. And you know, also when it

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Speaker 7: gets very hot, I like to go into the coliseum

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Speaker 7: and check out the livestock or what is it They

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Speaker 7: have some kind of competition in there.

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Speaker 1: They have been a multiple competitions in the coliseum and

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Speaker 1: then now that is usually where they display some of

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Speaker 1: the award winning produce that's cultivated around the state, like

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Speaker 1: in the lobby area. So you can see unusually sized

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Speaker 1: pieces of corn or you know, credibly large watermelons or

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Speaker 1: pumpkins or squash or whatever. I mean, it's the giant hogs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with the big old nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh, they measure the nuts. That's what

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, did you volunteer for that job, Kevin, No, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that was just a bystander.

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Speaker 2: I just understand, just a victim. Take one or four

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Speaker 2: h kids do it. They like it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Indiana State Fair a great Hoosier tradition, and

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, make sure to attend at least one

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Speaker 1: of the days, if not.

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Speaker 2: Multiple days this year. Hamberd Nigel are going to be

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Speaker 2: out there at the uh they're gonna be there tomorrow tomorrow, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and you can go out and have beers with them,

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Speaker 2: which I have several beers as the beers may have fly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so now I have not taken advantage of having a

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Speaker 2: beer at the fair. And now I think they have

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Speaker 2: spirits out there. So that's a whole nother realm. When

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Speaker 2: Kevin mentioned the concerts, I forget about. You've got the

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Speaker 2: live entertainment. Shoot, that's like a giant beer TP. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a little expensive there.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about like twelve bucks or more for just

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Speaker 1: a you know, a little glass beer. Yeah, it's not cheap,

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Speaker 1: but they price it that way so that way you

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Speaker 1: don't get too drunken rowdy in the fair grounds.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I understand that it is priced for entry,

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Speaker 2: so it's a profit deal, that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Ninety three wib c, Ethan Hatcher and Brad Klopfenstein filling

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Speaker 1: in on the Kendall and Casey show. Of course, one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest aspects of the state fair is how

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Speaker 1: unhealthy the food is. But that's okay because you're paying

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Speaker 1: for it with your own money. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things that's been under debate since RFK has taken charge

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Speaker 1: of reforming American health and trying to make America healthy

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Speaker 1: again is by allowing states to determine or remove unhealthy

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Speaker 1: food items from being covered by SNAP.

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Speaker 2: This is something that's been discussed. In Indiana.

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Speaker 1: We took one of the leads in removing I think

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Speaker 1: candy and soda from being covered by the Supplemental Nutritional

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Speaker 1: Assistance Program because it's not very nutritious and you're spending

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Speaker 1: your money on SODA's and candy. They are now also

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Speaker 1: discussing this in Texas as well. I believe it is

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Speaker 1: a SB SB three seventy nine, Yes, SB three seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: that is working its way through the Texas Senate. It's

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Speaker 1: been approved and sent over to the Texas House. But

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Speaker 1: you won't believe who is opposing removing soda and candy

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Speaker 1: from Snap, and that would be the American Heart Association.

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Speaker 8: Ooh cohment often say that I can never be surprised

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Speaker 8: in this building, but for the American Heart Association to

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Speaker 8: be against this bill I speak. Through seventy nine seeks

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Speaker 8: to remove soda, candy, potato and corn, chips and cookies

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Speaker 8: from a list of items eligible for purchase with Snap.

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Speaker 6: My name is Alec Pointa, and I'm the director of

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Speaker 6: government relations for the American Heart Association. I'm here to

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Speaker 6: testify today in opposition to Senate Bill three seventy nine.

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Speaker 8: I would encourage you to look at what it restricts me.

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Speaker 6: The Heart Association, it's concerned about potential impacts of this

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Speaker 6: bill on participation and population health. Imposing nutritional restrictions interfere

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Speaker 6: with the primary function of SNAP, producing hunger without reducing

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Speaker 6: root causes of chronic disease, and.

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Speaker 8: Here because I want to support the children on this

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Speaker 8: program and protect them from the chronic disease that sugar

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Speaker 8: will lead them to develop. Actually advocated for this bill

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Speaker 8: in Arizona and was shocked by the big soda companies

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Speaker 8: sending their own person to come and advocate for the

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Speaker 8: fact that there's no correlation between soda consumption and obesity,

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Speaker 8: which is just a straight up life butter.

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Speaker 5: It just fills the cracks of the heart away pain.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, if sure you would understand the

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Speaker 1: soda lobby, you know, not wanting to be cut off

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Speaker 1: from the grift, but the American Heart Association saying that

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Speaker 1: removing unhealthy food items from government assistants doesn't address the

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Speaker 1: root cause of the problem. I dare say, Brad that

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Speaker 1: if you are a diabetic, the root cause is soda sugar.

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Speaker 2: Don't be stuff in your face with it. The bigger

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Speaker 2: shock to me is that you are allowed to buy

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Speaker 2: those things in the first place. Yeah. I mean this

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Speaker 2: coming from a man who drinks five diet Doctor peppers

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Speaker 2: a day, I'm a bit of a soda overachiever. But

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Speaker 2: that is a luxury item. It is a treat. It

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Speaker 2: is not there's nothing nutritious about candy or soda. It

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Speaker 2: provides zero nutrition. So if the whole goal of this

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Speaker 2: program is to provide you with nutrition to get you

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Speaker 2: on down the road and grow strong bones, it should

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Speaker 2: be going to milk, vegetables, meat, yes, regular meals, not

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Speaker 2: candy and soda.

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Speaker 1: Soda and candy are basically just sugar. And while it

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Speaker 1: might be providing you with a caloric intake that will

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Speaker 1: keep your body going for a certain amount of time,

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Speaker 1: without supplementing that with actual vitamins, minerals, and the things

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Speaker 1: that your body needs to continue to function, you will

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Speaker 1: quickly find yourself at a nutritional deficit by exclusively eating

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Speaker 1: these items. And when you examine how money is being

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Speaker 1: spended through the SNAP program, most of it a good

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Speaker 1: chunk of it. I think the number one expenditure in

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Speaker 1: fact is soda, and then other sweets candy rounding out

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Speaker 1: the top five chips I think is number two. You

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Speaker 1: know a lot of unhealthy foods, and if the government's

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Speaker 1: going to be providing your nutrition, then nutrition it's in

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Speaker 1: the name, is what should be provided now, Ethan, I

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Speaker 1: learned this several years ago and when I ran for

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor in twenty twelve. So they you know, they

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Speaker 1: always talk about the Farm Bill and on how that's

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Speaker 1: for farmers, like over seventy percent of the Farm Bill

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Speaker 1: and the USDA budget goes towards snap and student lunches,

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Speaker 1: school lunches and that sort of thing. I mean, none

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Speaker 1: of that is there to really help the farmers other

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Speaker 1: than get people to consume the goods that they produce.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's fascinating how much money goes into these programs.

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Speaker 1: And to find out that is going towards candy and

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Speaker 1: sodas make I wonder we have deficits.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of sugar cane farming going on in

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Speaker 2: the United States. No, that's sugar beets is what provides

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Speaker 2: most of the sugar in the United States, or corn syrup.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC. This is the

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Speaker 1: Kendel and k C Show, Ethanatcher and Brad Klopfenstein filling

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Speaker 1: in coming up next. Brad, I wanted to take a

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Speaker 1: few moments and remember the passing of an icon individual

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Speaker 1: who we lost five years ago yesterday. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, he ran in the Republican primaries for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve presidency Herman Kane.

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Speaker 2: We'll do a remembrance coming up next. Stay tuned. All right, well, yes, madam, minute,

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Speaker 2: there's the bone. Man. Hey, Hey, there's the bone.

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Speaker 1: N Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Kennel

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Speaker 1: and k C Show with Ethan and Brad filling in.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for spending your time with us this morning. Brad,

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Speaker 1: I think it's been an amazing show. I've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Ethan has been a blast, Man, I

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Speaker 1: go getting together with you, gotten through a lot of topics,

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Speaker 1: has been a good conversation and if you missed a moment.

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Speaker 1: You can find the podcast uploaded to WIBC dot com

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Speaker 1: on the Kendlan Case show page. You can also find

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Speaker 1: my show uploaded to the podcast. I'm the host of

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Speaker 1: the weekend show Saturday Night on the Circle, airing from

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Speaker 1: seven to nine every Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, thanks, thanks for all the support.

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Speaker 1: This segment, of course, I wanted to discuss the passing

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Speaker 1: of an icon of five years ago. As of yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it would be Herman Kane. He was one of the

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Speaker 1: Republican primary challengers in the twenty twelve presidential election, and

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Speaker 1: we really had a pretty good lineup of Republican challenges,

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Speaker 1: including Ron Paul. I mean, you had, right, so many

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Speaker 1: good choices that you could have ended up with in

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, and we got we settled for Mittens.

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Speaker 2: What a mistake that was, What a mistake that was.

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Speaker 1: I still wonder today what the world might look like

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Speaker 1: had he secured the presidential nomination. What would the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party look like if there was a Herman Kane presidential

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Speaker 1: victory in twenty twelve? He still had, to my mind

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Speaker 1: a very compelling pitch. Do you remember it was the

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Speaker 1: nine nine to nine plan.

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Speaker 2: Correct, which, yeah, he was Herman Kaine was a key

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Speaker 2: party activist, but he'd been what CEO of Godfather's Pea Pizza.

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Speaker 2: He also worked for the Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve of

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. He was with Burger, King and Pillsbury.

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Speaker 1: Very illustrious career, very intelligent individual. He also was a

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Speaker 1: broadcaster and he would fill in from time to time

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Speaker 1: on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which I mean, anybody who's

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Speaker 1: worked in broadcasting knows it takes an incredible amount of

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Speaker 1: talent to be entertaining for three hours, especially when you

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Speaker 1: were hosting that solo for an already illustrious show like

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Speaker 1: the Limbaugh Program, and he was able to do it

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Speaker 1: with one hand tied behind his back.

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Speaker 2: Was great. Yeah, incredibly smart guy. Yeah, very articulate.

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Speaker 1: And of course for those who forget the nine to

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Speaker 1: nine to nine plan, he said, if the Lord's not

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Speaker 1: taken ten percent, then why should the federal government. It

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Speaker 1: was a nine percent income tax, nine percent corporate tax,

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Speaker 1: and then a nine percent sales tax, and it would

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Speaker 1: have provided all the revenue that you need to fund

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Speaker 1: or what should fund as sponsible federal government.

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Speaker 2: Love that idea, you would think, which, Yeah, the world

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Speaker 2: would be a very different place if Herman Kane would

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Speaker 2: have had the nomination, if Ron Paul would have got

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Speaker 2: a nomination, if Rie and Paul would have had a nomination.

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Speaker 1: But in remembrance of his passing, I thought we would

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Speaker 1: play a song. This was actually written by one of

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Speaker 1: his detractors, but you know what, it's still catchy and

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Speaker 1: I love Herman Kane. Let's listen to Tim Heideker's Caine

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Speaker 1: Skiffle for Kennel and Casey Thursday music moment.

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Speaker 2: One, two three four. Herman Kine is his name, So

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Speaker 2: you better ride that train.

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Speaker 5: Get on your knees and pray for Kine.

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Speaker 2: You gotta preak for Kane, preak von Kine, your brave

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Speaker 2: Waugh Kine.

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Speaker 5: And then you get on your knees.

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Speaker 2: And you think alone that the lone has come. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the lode is Kane. Break Baracane, you gotta break Bacaine.

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Speaker 2: It's the cane train. Great Barcaine. You gotta preay barcane.

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Speaker 2: It's the cane train. Preak barcane. You got a prey Bacaine.

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Speaker 2: It's the cane train.

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Speaker 1: Five years ago today, Herman Kane sadly died. I believe

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Speaker 1: it was the age of seventy four. But he lived

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Speaker 1: a pretty productive, rich and successful life.

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Speaker 2: He got his master's degree from Purdue. Was a boiler maker. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah uh, but yeah, the mind wanders where we would

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Speaker 1: be today had he won the Republican primary. I think

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Speaker 1: it would have been a fascinating contrast between the policies

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Speaker 1: of Herman Kane and Barack Obama at the time. And

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Speaker 1: then they also couldn't play the race card, you know,

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Speaker 1: because Mitten's he was a pasty film.

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Speaker 2: It was lily white, yes, yeah, yeah, then the Mormon

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Speaker 2: thing probably didn't the big scheme of things didn't help

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Speaker 2: him a bunch. Really.

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Speaker 1: You think it was a response to being a Mormon

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I think it was a response to

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Speaker 1: being an East Coast Republican because he just did not

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Speaker 1: offer much contrast between himself and Barack Obama. And then,

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Speaker 1: of course he had also passed the framework for what

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Speaker 1: eventually became Obamacare with his own version of government sponsored

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Speaker 1: healthcare there in Massachusetts it was Romneycare.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. So Ethan, who do the Republicans have?

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Speaker 2: Who are they looking at? Who are the Democrats looking at?

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Speaker 2: You think next time around? Oh? I don't know. It's

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Speaker 2: too far to say.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I think Ron DeSantis is still currying

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Speaker 1: the idea of potentially appearing on the national stage. He

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Speaker 1: continues to curry media favor and attention for himself. I

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Speaker 1: think that is a calculated decision, and he probably has

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Speaker 1: his eyes on the presidency once again.

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Speaker 2: We shall see. I would be a supporter. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good dude.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, everybody. I appreciate you spporting the

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Speaker 1: Kendall and Casey Show. I've had a blast today and

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with me.

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Speaker 2: It has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to ninety three w ib C. Tony Katz

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Speaker 1: is coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Oh Your Pad, Pa,