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Speaker 1: New opinion piece out in the Indie Star about Joe

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Speaker 1: Hogg set and letting that wacky goofy Thomas Carl Cook

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Speaker 1: run Indianapolis and it is excellent ninety three WIBC. It's

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Speaker 1: Kennel a Casey's Show and Rob Casey's out today Jim

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Speaker 1: Merritt in for Casey, joined in studio by James Briggs.

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Speaker 1: You're like the opinion head honcho over at Indie Stars

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Speaker 1: that you're.

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Speaker 2: Actually opinions are I think there is a good word.

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Speaker 1: And then look, this new piece is excellent. It's entitled

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Speaker 1: you can read it out over at Indiesstar dot com.

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Speaker 1: Hoggs that let Thomas Cook run Indianapolis. His legacy is imploding.

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Speaker 1: And the latest revelations obviously are that Thomas Cook was

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Speaker 1: involved in a relationship with this woman who was helping

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Speaker 1: delegate incentive dollars to various businesses, and many of these

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Speaker 1: businesses Thomas Cook ended up representing after he left the

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Speaker 1: Mayor's office. This is just so egregious that this was

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things we really learn here,

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Speaker 3: and this is sort of a point of my column

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Speaker 3: that I wrote most recently, was that Thomas Cook's in

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Speaker 3: fluence didn't just stop when he left the city in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and again for hr reasons. He left because

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Speaker 3: it was found that he was in an inappropriate relationship,

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Speaker 3: so he was forced to resign from the city in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. But I think this new reporting shows that

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Speaker 3: his influence didn't stop there. It continued even as he

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Speaker 3: existed it sort of peripheral to city government, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's like a new level to the problematic relationship

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Speaker 3: that he had with the city that we're seeing right now.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting because we played earlier Russ McQuaid from

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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine caught up with hog set somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: his responses to Russ McQuay, like, just there's appears to

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Speaker 1: be a total lack of understanding of why this is

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Speaker 1: a big deal, of why people are set about this,

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Speaker 1: and what even was taking place and why was so inappropriate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so one of the things I tried to

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Speaker 3: big picture problem is here, and it is that Mayor

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Speaker 3: Joe hogg Sett took office and sort of abdicated his

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Speaker 3: role as leader of the city and sort of let

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Speaker 3: Thomas Cook take over. And so we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: Thomas Cook for over a year now, and he's still

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Speaker 3: sort of an abstract figure, Like I don't know that

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Speaker 3: many people in your audience like know anything about him

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Speaker 3: or why we're talking about him. Do you mind if

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Speaker 3: I take you down a little bit of a rabbit

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Speaker 3: hole right now? Please go all the rabbit holes? So,

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Speaker 3: and I want to be clear at top, I don't

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Speaker 3: mean this to say like you got to hand it

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Speaker 3: to Thomas Cook. I don't want anyone to be my takeaway.

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Speaker 3: But Thomas Cook was really good at his job, and

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Speaker 3: I want to sort of set the scene for why

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Speaker 3: he was so effective and why he was given this

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Speaker 3: so much free reign over the mayor's office. Do you

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Speaker 3: guys remember and I'm sure you do at WIBC when

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Speaker 3: Jefferson Shreeve was running for mayor in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: and he came out in favor of gun control.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, they called me the day before and said

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Speaker 3: Yes, we remember that very well. So that's not gonna fly.

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Speaker 3: So that was Thomas Cook. That happened because of Thomas Cook.

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Speaker 3: So the mayor's campaign. I had a long term strategy

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Speaker 3: and it was multi pronged. First, the mayor introduced his

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Speaker 3: own gun control measures, which were very popular among the

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Speaker 3: Shreve on his NRA affiliation, like just bludgeoning him and

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Speaker 2: Some gun control proposals.

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Speaker 3: We're going to hit Shreve on his NRA affiliation, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to hurt him so badly that he is

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Speaker 3: going to have to come out in favor of gun control.

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Speaker 2: And I might tell you.

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Speaker 1: That they say we're going to do this.

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Speaker 3: In my reaction to that at the time from hearing

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Speaker 3: It happened literally exactly as they planned it.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when Jefferson Shreve was standing up there talking about,

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Speaker 2: All I could think was that was Thomas Cook. He

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Speaker 1: James Briggs from Dye Stars our guest. He's got a

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Speaker 1: fabulous new piece out about Joe hog set and and

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Speaker 1: he's basically giving free rein to Thomas Carl Cook.

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Speaker 4: Jim, Well, there's a certain arrogance about this administration from

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Speaker 4: day one. And you we talked this morning about the

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Speaker 4: AEES situation with the ray case and and and regardless

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Speaker 4: of the rappayer, they come out and and kind of

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Speaker 4: also this is very good reporting by yourself along with

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Speaker 4: mir Indianapolis Star. It almost it views almost the arrogance

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Speaker 4: of we're going to get through this time frame, this

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Speaker 4: six minute media and we're going to move on to

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Speaker 4: the next topic. And his treatment Russ McQuay, who is

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Speaker 4: news media, and these these comments that he's giving almost

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Speaker 4: like flicking with him away like a fly. You must

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the mayor wants to move on

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Speaker 3: to the point I was just hammering on. The reason

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Speaker 3: of the competency that Thomas Cook revealed in a number

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Speaker 3: of entrusted him with everything and just let him run

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Speaker 3: don't know that the mayor is personally culpable for any

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Speaker 3: But because he just sort of seeded leadership to Thomas

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Speaker 2: So the mayor, I'm sure, yeah, he wants it to

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Speaker 3: He wants he doesn't want to talk to Rus mcway,

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to talk to anyone about to him.

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Speaker 3: He would like this to just be old news. He's

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Speaker 3: got you know, this is gonna be a long two years, right,

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Speaker 3: He's got a lot of time left in his third term.

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Speaker 3: But these stories keep coming out, and it's because of

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Speaker 3: all the things that Thomas Cook was unable to do

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Speaker 1: James Ricks from Indie Star is our guest. So you

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Speaker 1: write a lot about people, and I think you write

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Speaker 1: very well about people, and I think you sort of

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Speaker 1: take angles on people that most people don't think about.

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Speaker 1: That's why they read your columns. The Thomas Cook thing

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Speaker 1: is fascinating to me because you're right, from a purely

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Speaker 1: yet he exhibited zero, apparently self control in terms of

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Speaker 1: like dichotomy that, on one hand, this guy is so

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately too, I think the political environment is a place

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Speaker 2: Especially at the state level.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there have been, you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: you know, it really does stick out, but it's also

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Speaker 3: know it's a lot of men sort of driving these things,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I'm sure you know, you know, Senator Merritt,

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Speaker 2: But this happens a lot in politics.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Jimmy after ever yelled anybody for being inappropriate and

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Speaker 1: say Briggs is gonna find out about this, You're gonna

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Speaker 4: There are times my office was called the woodshed, and

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Speaker 4: so we've had some members in my office when I

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Speaker 3: And I suspect that's part of the like why the

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Speaker 3: because this level of behavior has been accepted for so

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Speaker 2: And that's why this keeps going on.

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Speaker 4: My story about Thomas Cook is when I was running

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Speaker 4: a text from Thomas Carl Cook and he said, when

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Speaker 1: Is that real?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, that's I was never so stunned at the

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Speaker 1: And you know, literally said that when you throw up

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Speaker 4: Yes to get a hold of mayor. When you throw

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Speaker 2: And what did you do? You threw up the white flag?

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Speaker 4: Right, I about threw up.

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Speaker 1: Just gonna run again?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I at first, nothing.

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Speaker 4: Else to do. Nobody's gonna employ him.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's getting bad.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a period where I thought, maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe he does because of what you're saying. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think we know he said before he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 3: really should have found him a job, you know, a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago. We could have avoided some of this,

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Speaker 3: at least at least a fallout.

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Speaker 4: Certainly. See, I'm sixty six. He was a senior when

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Speaker 4: I was a freshman, So he's he's heading towards seventy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget his age off the top of my head, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was I interviewed him, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's a great piece. Everybody go read it. Thomas or

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Speaker 1: James Briggs, thank you, thanks for having me. It's Kennel

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Speaker 1: That is the Indiana Utility Regulatory Committee. And there are

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Speaker 1: And we've had some fun with it. We joked about

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Speaker 4: And not put people to sleep while we're talking about that.

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Speaker 1: That's what we knew, Jim, how we're gonna do this

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Speaker 4: The meat and potatoes of this are is that the IRC,

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he's the chairman. He ministered.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly, okay. And the governor is in that position

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Speaker 1: So whoever you nominate for chairman is who the chairman

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Speaker 4: And Wes Bennett, who was retiring is a commissioner, a

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Speaker 1: Okay. So of these three seats, and this is important

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Speaker 1: Yes, So one of these people you nominate has to

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Speaker 4: Well, it all depends if you vote in the primary.

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Speaker 4: I have I voted in all the primary, and did

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Speaker 4: that's wild. Yeah, I don't. I don't like that. I

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Speaker 4: This Nominating Commission, what we do is we come forward

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Speaker 1: And well, now I really would have applied, but I

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Speaker 4: Well, there will be an executive session on Monday, this

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Speaker 1: So you got these applications, all these the window has closed.

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Speaker 4: And I stepped away from the Senate in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: decide who we're gonna who we're gonna interview, and how.

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Speaker 1: Many how many people you normally interview is like five.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, in years past we've had to pull

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Speaker 1: But they didn't know this job paid one hundred and

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Speaker 4: No, no, and it doesn't. And it's so quiet, and

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Speaker 4: And so you're under a rock when you're a commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so how are you gonna square this? Because the

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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, we'll nominate several people for each spot, and

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Speaker 4: And and uh, like, if you.

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Speaker 1: Put Rob Kendall's name down as the Republican, you would

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's exactly right. Our our friend Aaron Sheridan

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Speaker 4: If I were chairman, then yes, but I'm not chairman

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Speaker 1: You should probably walk in there go my friend say

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, so how are you going to square? Because

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Speaker 4: As you know, I've met with some of the people

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Speaker 1: What's the Is it a pretty quick time frame like

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Speaker 4: I think? I think the governor Energy is something that

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Speaker 4: We need eight individuals who are willing to put their

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Speaker 4: nose to the grindstone and and and be independent. But

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Speaker 4: understanding that that hopefully the Trump administration takes kind of

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Speaker 4: the federal push on rates down with all the environmental

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Speaker 4: uh uh minutia that utilities have to go through and

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Speaker 4: we're getting into the into the in the swamp here

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Speaker 4: with issues. But bottom line is that that these individuals

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Speaker 4: who we nominate that we send the governor understand that

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Speaker 4: rates are important, but as well as the energy world

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Speaker 4: is changing and and the the and the bronze people

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Speaker 4: are trying to bring the real world to Indiana with

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Speaker 4: uh different kinds of energy that is going to power

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Speaker 4: this future of the Indiana.

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Speaker 1: See, that wasn't boring at all. We tried, I mean

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Speaker 1: at least not to me.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope, I hope our listeners. Maybe you'll have

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Speaker 4: me back, maybe not. But anyway, it is interesting because

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Speaker 4: you get your utility bill every month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this going forward, this is important to you

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Speaker 1: now that I know you're on that commission. If anybody

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Speaker 1: raises my rate, I'm blaming you. I'm sending it to

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Speaker 1: your house. We'll have to have hammer on again this week.

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Speaker 4: Can puss each other.

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Speaker 1: Out a all right, let's take a break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. Obviously, redistricting. Redistricting is a huge issue right

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Speaker 1: now in Indiana, and there is a case in front

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court that could affect everything. And one

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court justices in the Oral arguments said,

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Speaker 1: maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We'll talk all

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Speaker 1: about that. What makes sense? Kettle A Casey Show ninety

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Speaker 1: three WIBC.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So there is a case in front of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: They heard oral arguments on it the other day. And

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Speaker 1: the outcome of this case will dramatically affect redistricting, which

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Speaker 1: is obviously in front of us here in the state

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Speaker 1: of Indiana going forward. And now, look, it'll take these

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Speaker 1: justices Jim Jim Merriton for Casey today. By the way,

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Speaker 1: normally they don't rule on the big stuff, which this

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Speaker 1: is a big one, usually until June. They want to

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Speaker 1: get that right as they're leaving the leaving the parking.

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Speaker 4: List, right, the decisions a renounced, Yeah, unless it's an

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Speaker 4: October decision.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah. And obviously these justices can rule at any

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Speaker 1: time they come out tomorrow if they wanted to, but

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Speaker 1: usually they save them till the end. The biggest cases

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Speaker 1: are into June. And so this may not affect what

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Speaker 1: Indian is doing right now because they won't have ruled

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Speaker 1: on it, but going forward, this is going to have

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Speaker 1: a profound impact on how these lines are drawn. And

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Speaker 1: then the next opportunity because what is in front of

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Speaker 1: the court is a Louisiana maps. Louisiana drew their map

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Speaker 1: same way every other state did, and a court struck

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Speaker 1: down their map. I'm trying to simplify a very complex

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Speaker 1: thing here, but basically, the Court's ruled that essentially Louisiana's

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Speaker 1: map disenfranchised minority voters by drawing one of their reps

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Speaker 1: or certain communities. Carving up communities to take away a

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Speaker 1: majority black district basically is what they did. And the

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Speaker 1: court said, based on the Voting Rights Act, you can't

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Speaker 1: do that, and you have to not disenfranchised communities of color,

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Speaker 1: which is essentially what Indiana would be doing under this

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Speaker 1: new map, where they would take Marion County, which is

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Speaker 1: a large African American population, and they would be carving

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Speaker 1: that up into several districts to take away that voting

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Speaker 1: power which tends to be democrat which is the big

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Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people are saying as of

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Speaker 1: right now, if you go forward with that, it would

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Speaker 1: get struck down based on what the law is, and

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. It would be clear that's what

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Speaker 1: the Republicans would be doing, and the Court is hearing

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Speaker 1: whether that's constitutional or not to force communities of color

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Speaker 1: to stay intact, minority African American communities to stay intact,

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Speaker 1: or whether that can be struck down. And based on

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Speaker 1: the arguments, you never know the judge are going to rule.

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Speaker 1: But based on the statements by the judges the other day,

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Speaker 1: it seems like they're open to striking this thing down,

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Speaker 1: which would dramatically change how congressional districts are drawn.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, and this has an incredible impact. And I

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Speaker 4: think what you're going to see is this is going

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Speaker 4: to happen up and in June. Uh and uh. But

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Speaker 4: the Indian General Assembly uh and in the Trump administration's viewpoint,

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Speaker 4: and people in the Assembly itself believe that they have

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Speaker 4: to do it now and uh. On State House happenings

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Speaker 4: the other day, Abdul, one of our Our My Our

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Speaker 4: Try hosts co hosts, said that, uh, they they he

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Speaker 4: doesn't know, it's a maybe and all that, but also

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Speaker 4: that if they do pass maps, that a court will

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Speaker 4: strike them down. And and there's some colonel of truth

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Speaker 4: there that that, uh, maybe, just maybe the legislature will

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Speaker 4: go into special session. I think they will. I think

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Speaker 4: they will redraw maps UH and and and and and

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Speaker 4: they're not kind of the data.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They may not tackle Marion County. They're going to tackle

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Speaker 4: uh Northwest Indiana with Congressman Frank Mrvan Junior, a Democrat,

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Speaker 4: and try to do that. But you've got to you've

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Speaker 4: got to take some from represent and Yakam's district. You've

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Speaker 4: got to take some from represent Bear's district. Is just

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Speaker 4: it's like Mercury. It's very difficult to read district on

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Speaker 4: the run. And that's what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: So all of that being said, there are three liberal

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Speaker 1: justices on the Supreme Court, and I sort of separate

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Speaker 1: them based on Elena Kagan was I believe the Solicitor

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Speaker 1: General under Barack Obama, and I don't agree with her

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Speaker 1: judicial philosophy a lot of times. I don't agree with

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Speaker 1: her rulings a lot of times, but she always seems

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Speaker 1: like a very calm, learned person in her rulings, where like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but you've clearly thought this

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Speaker 1: through from a judicial perspective. You're not being you don't

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Speaker 1: come off as being political on this, And I kind

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Speaker 1: of felt guys like Brier were that way. Beforehand, and

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Speaker 1: so I separate her the other two. So Demayor and

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Speaker 1: now this Katanji Brown Jackson woman, they are total partisans.

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Speaker 1: They are complete hacks, and they are idiot. I mean

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Speaker 1: they are. And Katanji Brown Jackson, who was the woman

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Speaker 1: appointed under Obama, is by far the worst. She's getting

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Speaker 1: lectured by Soda Mayor, who's like, lady, I'm a total

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Speaker 1: partisan and you're making us look bad. I mean, Katanji

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Speaker 1: Brown Jackson not only is an awful justice, she just

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Speaker 1: comes off as a complete moron.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she comes she there's no reason, and I think

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Speaker 4: that one of the largest you know, the ideas behind

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Speaker 4: a justice has to be reason, and it has to

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Speaker 4: be freedom, it has to be constitutional, and she does

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Speaker 4: not impress whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the audio from Katanji Brown Jackson, and

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Speaker 1: this is her saying basically comparing black people to disabled

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Speaker 1: people by trying to say that majority black districts are

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Speaker 1: equivalent of disabled people not being able to enter buildings

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Speaker 1: before the Americans with Disabilities Act. Listen to this, Jim.

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Speaker 5: A kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like

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Speaker 5: the Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the

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Speaker 5: backdrop of a world that was generally not accessible to

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Speaker 5: people with disabilities, and so it was discriminatory in effect

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Speaker 5: because these folks were not able to access these buildings,

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Speaker 5: and it didn't matter whether the person who built the

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Speaker 5: building or the person who owned the building intended for

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Speaker 5: them to be exclusionary.

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Speaker 1: That's irrelevant.

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Speaker 5: Congress said, the facilities have to be made equally open

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Speaker 5: to people with disabilities, if readily possible. I guess I

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Speaker 5: don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea

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Speaker 5: in section two is that we are responding to current

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Speaker 5: day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities

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Speaker 5: and make it so that they don't have equal access

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Speaker 5: to the voting right they're disabled.

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Speaker 4: I have a hard time getting my head around that.

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Speaker 1: If you were saying that black people weren't allowed to vote,

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Speaker 1: then okay, but black people, no matter what the district

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Speaker 1: makeup is, are certainly able to vote the same way

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Speaker 1: anybody Else's The issue with the Americans with disabilities actually

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Speaker 1: is that people physically couldn't access the buildings or the

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Speaker 1: sidewalks or whatever, which is understandable. That's not even that's

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Speaker 1: not even close to being the same thing. And she

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Speaker 1: set this out loud as a sitting member of the

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Speaker 1: US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a friend of mine would say that's apples

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Speaker 4: and dump trucks. I mean, it just doesn't make any

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Speaker 4: sense whatsoever. And this is not the first time that

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Speaker 4: she has voiced a whole idea of not understanding or

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Speaker 4: able to give her opinion on it. It is very confusing,

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Speaker 4: and it's hard to believe she's a Supreme Court justice.

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Speaker 1: It is scary.

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Speaker 4: Beyond scary, it's probably good. I mean, these people are

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Speaker 4: making big, big decisions.

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Speaker 1: So if you read the tea leaves out of this case,

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Speaker 1: now get the court can do whatever it's going to do.

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Speaker 1: And this court has previously decided like Alabama had maps

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that they struck down. However,

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Speaker 1: based on the comments yesterday, Roberts and Kavanaugh are the

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Speaker 1: two key ones on this issue. They seemed very much

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Speaker 1: in favor of allowing to essentially striking down this rule

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Speaker 1: about you got to draw minority dominant districts, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to really change how districts get drawn going forward.

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Speaker 1: Now again, it won't won't really affect Indiana, right now

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Speaker 1: because you gotta wait for the ruling on this, but

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Speaker 1: they certainly seemed open. And look, they kind of made

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Speaker 1: the argument, which is logical. They said, well, if we're

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Speaker 1: striking down affirmative action on these college campuses, and you've

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Speaker 1: got to admit people based on our preferential treatment based

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Speaker 1: on race or whatever, we're striking that down, how do

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Speaker 1: we faith then say we got to draw You got

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Speaker 1: to draw a coggressional district based on having a you know,

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Speaker 1: a black representative. Like that's basically and it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. And you know, there's something called

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Speaker 4: the brick wall which is out in Iowa where they

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Speaker 4: just they just formed the districts and it looks like

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Speaker 4: a brick wall, whereas Illinois looks like a roach shaft test,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, there's got to be a

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Speaker 4: way that you can draw the districts that has fared

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Speaker 4: all parties and represents data where people move. And that's

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Speaker 4: really the idea. When I took over as a state

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Speaker 4: senator in nineteen ninety one, they redo the districts because

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Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty Fishers barely existed. In nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 4: it was incredibly I mean, there were only three precincts.

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Speaker 4: And when I was elected in nineteen ninety when in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one, you know, the growth in Fishers had

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Speaker 4: grown so much in those eleven years, they had to

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Speaker 4: take it out of my district. And so that growth

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Speaker 4: you had you have to recognize growth and movement of people,

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Speaker 4: so that for instance, Indiana Senate district had to be

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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty thousand people. A congressional district should

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Speaker 4: be five hundred thousand people. It has to be you know,

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Speaker 4: it has to be adjacent. Has there has to be

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Speaker 4: some reason to districts. And we'll see what the federal court,

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Speaker 4: what the Supreme Court comes up with.

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Speaker 1: All us take a break. Yesterday the treasure Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 1: put an estimate on what the shutdown is costing the

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Speaker 1: US economy. Each day. We'll have some audio on that. Plus, Jim,

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Speaker 1: you're over sixty, so it could be bad news for you.

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Speaker 1: We'll go on It's Kettle Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the Treasury Secretary has an estimate on how much

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Speaker 1: the shutdown is going to cost the US economy. Each

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Speaker 1: day's let's fire it up. This is Scott Bessen he

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Speaker 1: is the Treasure Secretary yesterday talking about the economic impact

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Speaker 1: to the US economy.

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Speaker 6: Thank you all for being here at Treasury today. In

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Speaker 6: the it's this shutdown. We call on the moderate Democrats

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Speaker 6: in the Senate to be heroes, be heroes, break away

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Speaker 6: from the hive of radicalism, and do something for the

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Speaker 6: American people, because we are starting to cut into a

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Speaker 6: muscle here. We believe that the shutdown may start costing

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Speaker 6: the US economy up to fifteen billion dollars a day.

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Speaker 6: And this is a decision the Democrats are making. And

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Speaker 6: one of the reasons that they are not being held

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Speaker 6: to task is because the mainstream media is not coming

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Speaker 6: at them the way they would have if the Republicans

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Speaker 6: were willing to keep the government closed. It is a

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Speaker 6: very simple decision. Mike Johnson passed a clean CR. Leader

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Speaker 6: soon has the clean CR. Three Democrats have voted for it,

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Speaker 6: and right here, right now, I am calling for the

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Speaker 6: moderate Democrats to be heroes, be heroes and reopen the

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Speaker 6: government for the American people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it makes you a hero for

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Speaker 1: approving Biden level spending. Look, the Democrats, I am curious

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Speaker 1: what the end game is for both sides. I will say, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with the Republicans have improved approved Biden

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Speaker 1: level spending. I am impressed that they have held it

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Speaker 1: together this long though, and I figured they would have

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Speaker 1: came by now.

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Speaker 4: I think it is impressive that they have and they've

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Speaker 4: tried to find different avenues to you know, pay the

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Speaker 4: military and and and fulfill the snap requirements and something

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Speaker 4: that you need to have a budget or to have

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Speaker 4: you know, the general Fund of the United States pay

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Speaker 4: for and uh, it's it's it's impressive. I don't know

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Speaker 4: what the endgame is for the Democrats. You know what

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Speaker 4: what what? What is the lynchpin uh? Senator John Kennedy

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Speaker 4: from Louisiana said one time that he thinks that maybe

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Speaker 4: five or six Democrats will get all from Schumer and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: break away from me. I'm gonna crown you about it,

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Speaker 4: and I won't vote with you, but we need to

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Speaker 4: get this back on track because this is hurting our constituencies.

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Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, Jim, I wanted to end the show

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Speaker 1: on some interesting news and no bad news for you,

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Speaker 1: because you're just just a pinch over sixty years old.

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Speaker 1: But according to study fines.

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Speaker 4: I'm a punch over here.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's the headline. People hit their functional peak around sixty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well so.

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Speaker 1: Sorry for you, but me, my best days.

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Speaker 4: Are normally let's just say that.

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Speaker 1: So what this basically factoring is, Hey, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think when you're younger, you know you're in better

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Speaker 1: shape to blah blah blah. But when you factor everything in.

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Speaker 1: So this was a this was an Australian study. It

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Speaker 1: was like a composite index spanning nine core constructs. When

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Speaker 1: they put all of them together, they said that your

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Speaker 1: peak age is sixty years old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I remember sixty. Ok. Yes, I'm sixty six,

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Speaker 4: and maybe talk to me when I'm seventy five because

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Speaker 4: I've got so much energy. I'm ready to go. I'd

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Speaker 4: be on here every day with you. Casey does a

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Speaker 4: good job.

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Speaker 1: You know. It is interesting the things that we learn about,

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Speaker 1: like ourselves. I'm saying ourselves as a humanity, as ourselves,

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Speaker 1: as people as we get older. And I do think

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Speaker 1: there is you know, the seventy is the new sixty,

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Speaker 1: I do think, and it is because people living longer, medicine,

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Speaker 1: you know better, you know, nutrients, whatever I do think

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Speaker 1: that aging has changed. And I do think that getting

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Speaker 1: old or getting older older is not what it used

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 4: And I do think you're going seventy nine year old

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Speaker 4: president right, who's running circles around his staff and doesn't

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Speaker 4: drink alcohol, doesn't smoke, he's taking relativity, good care of

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Speaker 4: himself and has these long flights, comes back and it

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Speaker 4: looks like fresh as a daisy out in the rose garden.

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Speaker 4: And that's a good example of people doing well when

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Speaker 4: they're older.

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Speaker 1: Here's a good one. Personality also matures with the age.

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Speaker 1: Conscientiousness and emotional stability. The two trades wist strongly linked

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Speaker 1: to career success and life satisfaction. Both increase from early

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Speaker 1: adulthood into the fifties and sixties.

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Speaker 4: Well, Joe hoggs, it's older than I am, and that's

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Speaker 4: not the case with some.

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't say everybody. Okay, it's just an average,

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Speaker 1: it's just a it's a compositive the collective. All right, Jim,

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Speaker 1: fabulous job. Thank you today. Your insight is so valuable

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Speaker 1: those thirty years in the Indiana Centate. Nobody does state

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Speaker 1: government like you. And I love filling in. We love

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Speaker 1: when you fill in. Thank you, my friend. All right,

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Speaker 1: we will be back tomorrow, Big Show tomorrow, bo bye,

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Speaker 1: We'll be here with us, Jim. Thank you to you, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: great job as always, and most importantly, thank you to

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Speaker 1: you the listener. Without you, there is no US stick around.

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Speaker 1: Tony Cats. Coming up next, Kennlly Casey Show ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 5: Those