1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. Okay, we the taxpayers of Indiana, 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: spent eight hundred thousand dollars of our money, yes, to 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: be told, hey, we really shouldn't have conflicts of interest 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: and we should try to be more transparent. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: That's correct. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't miss anything. I read numerous articles about 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: this topic, and that's what I keep seeing, and I 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: thought I must be missing something. But you're saying no, no, Rob, 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: You're correct. We spent eight hundred thousand dollars for no 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: one to be held to any sort of account. No 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: one's going to be punished, and we should not have 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: conflicts of interest, and we should be more transparent. 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, common sense stuff. 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Carry on. 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: So you know you did spend eight hundred thousand dollars 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: to know a little bit more of what's going. 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: How we got screwed. Let me let me because no 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: one's right. It's sort of it's kind on the Casey Show, 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: and Rob, that's Casey. We're talking about this iedc audit 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: of course, that came out yesterday, Indiana Economic Development Corporation, 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: this shadow quasi government entity. I mean, we say what 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,639 Speaker 1: it is here because we tell you who these people 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: are it's a glorified money laundering operation. And they have 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: written the rules so they're allowed to get away with it. 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: And they are the hyper most connected, some of the 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: hyper most connected people in the entire state of Indiana. 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of dollars over the this was just 28 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: by the way, the past couple of years. This doesn't 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 1: even go. This goes for like twenty two to twenty four. 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: This isn't even we're. 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: Not even talking about the history of. 32 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Which is its own thing. The hundreds of millions of dollars, 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: your hard earned money basically used to facilitate the lifestyles 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: of or the desired lifestyles of and desired projects of 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the politicians and some of their uber powerful cronies. And 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: we told you months ago that this was going to 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: be a colossal waste of money, that no one was 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: going to go down, because these people who would be 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: the ones potentially going down are some of the most 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: powerful connected people in the entire state. 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: We're the ones who make the rules, and if they. 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Went down one the cash spigot to the politicians would 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: be cut off. And because so many of these politicians 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: are so connected to these people, take them with them. 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: That could have potentially happened. Yes, so we said you 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: are going, you might as well have just gone and 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: took put eight hundred thousand dollars on the Cubs podres 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: game yesterday, because you would have done as much good 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: and had a fifty to fifty shot to make money 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: for the state as you would have this audit. And 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: it is exactly what we got. No criminal charges, no 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: one's going to be held any account, and nothing of 53 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: any importance is going to change casey because you know 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: what from almost all of these state these politicians, statewide 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: state legislature, you haven't heard boo out. 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: Of them, right, nobody has said anything about this audit? 57 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Have they? 58 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: This audit isn't that telling? Is a collews embarrassment for 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: our state. Now are lawmakers, They're shameless individuals, most of them, 60 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: so I don't expect them to have shame about it 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: or embarrassment about it. But you think about this, These 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: lawmakers have funded, have taken money from you. You're out, 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, fixing a road, or you're on a roof, 64 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: or you're you know, cleaning a porn a potty or 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: whatever you're doing today to make humanity work. These lawmakers 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: have taken money from you. They gave it to a 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: shadow government entity that they knew people at best would 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: struggle to get information from, and then they put their 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: powerful buddies in charge of it. And their powerful buddies 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: gave massive amounts of cash, one to fund ridiculous dollars 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: in travel, much of it to foreign countries, yes, for 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: politicians and the connected. And they also delegated much of 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: that money to projects that they were either directly benefiting 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: from some cases in directly benefiting from, or people they 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: liked were benefiting from. That's where your money. Not to 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: fix the roads every year the gas tax goes up, 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: doesn't get any better. Not to do things that would 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: have benefited all of us. They couldn't fund their budget 79 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: without a billion dollars in new taxes, but they had 80 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: all this money. They being the IEDC, they being the 81 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Indiana General Assembly, the state Legislature, the previous governor who 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get into in a second, Oh boy, 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: and all of them, for the most part, were a 84 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: part of voting a affirmative I for these budgets that 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: did this. And yet basically none of them have anything 86 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: to say about it. As of this morning. 87 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: The only thing Governor Brown has said is that, well 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: his office has said it did not contain any criminal findings. 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: And we told you no one's going to go down 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: for this. This is a colossal waste of money and nothing. 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: And the fact that there is not one lawmaker I've 92 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: seen thus far who is issue. Now somebody has, and 93 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: they can point me to them. If Houston and Bray 94 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: have made some sort of definitive this is the end 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: of the IEDC as we know it, or blah blah blah. 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: You pointed to me, and I'll eat it on the air, right, 97 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: I will gladly own it. But as of nine six 98 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: this morning, I hadn't seen it, which means nothing's going 99 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: to change of substance. Now they'll put some window dressing 100 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: on it. They'll tell you, oh, reforms they think about this. 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Eight hundred thousand dollars to be told you shouldn't be 102 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: voting on things if you have a conflict of interest, 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: and we should tell the public where their money's going. 104 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: Eight hundred thousand dollars and all of this crap that 105 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: took place, and not one person's going to be held 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to any account on this. 107 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: Only one conflict was disclosed to the State Ethics Commission. One. 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about that in a second, 109 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: but let's okay, let's talk about that first, because then 110 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: we'll get to Hulcombe, because we've we've got we've got 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: to talk about Holcomb in all of this. The conflict 112 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: of inter statute, for say, municipal legislator is a very 113 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: serious thing. Like if you have if you're a town councilman, 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: or a city councilman, or a county commissioner, if you 115 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: have even the potential to profit off of whatever thing 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: you're voting on, you have to not only disclose it, 117 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: but then you're supposed to recuse yourself from voting. There's 118 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: an actual form you're supposed to fill out, and it 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: is a felony if you don't do that, or it 120 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: can it can be a felony, correct if you don't 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: if you don't do that. And in this case, what 122 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: there was a number they put. 123 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: On thirty entities had potential conflicts, Only four were discussed 124 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: in meetings, and only one was disclosed to the State 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: Ethics Commission. 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: If a municipal legislator did what these people have are 127 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: alleged to have done, there's a good chance they would 128 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: go to prison. And yet because and this is exactly 129 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: like how we talk about Congress, because they write the 130 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: rules to exempt themselves, and because the IEDC is its 131 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: own thing and they wrote the rules to make it 132 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: whatever they want, they do it allegedly, and nothing happens, 133 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: not even screw going to prison. There's no fines, there's 134 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: no recouping of monies, there's no you owe the taxpayer 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: stuff back, there's no formal Repperman, there's. 136 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: Nothing, no no. I d C does not actively actively 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: perform conflict checks. But then they they don't do that, so. 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: Town counselman does it. They potentially go to prison. They 139 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: don't even check with the IEDC, and you really can't 140 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: check because they hide the information from you. Unlike as 141 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: someone who has filed a complaint with law enforcement before 142 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: on an alleged conflict of interest or potential alleged potential 143 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: conflict of ventis that happened out in Sunshine, I could 144 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: see now. I had to do a little digging, but 145 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: I could see what the alleged potential conflict was. I 146 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: could see it. Again. Took me some digging because they 147 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: didn't totally reveal it. But I put the things together 148 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: and then I filed the complaint because it was had 149 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: to be done in an official government meeting by government rules, 150 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: and you could see what was going on. And here 151 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: you can't even really do that because there's so many 152 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: little subcommittees and they don't in this group, doesn't meet 153 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: in public, and you don't know about this group. It 154 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: is a giant jigsaw puzzle, that's the thing you realize 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: from this audit. I mean, there's many things, but it 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: is a deliberate jigsaw puzzle where they want to make 157 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: it as hard as possible for people to put the 158 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: pieces together, because once you put the pieces together, you 159 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: realize how corrupt, on an ethical and rotten this glorified 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: money laundering operation actually is. 161 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hateful way that they have treated who 162 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: awful taking your money. It's your money, and they're taking 163 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: this for their no bid contracts, their international travel, for 164 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: their select group of friends.