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Speaker 6: Take a listen, Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress have

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Speaker 1: Democrats are here reporting for duty.

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Speaker 6: We are ready, we are willing, and we are able

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Speaker 2: Is he talking to Chuck Schuber there?

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Speaker 6: You deserve better?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can almost see him talking with his hands

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Speaker 1: Yeah. At the end, he said the best part, and

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Speaker 2: Look, I just like, there's he doesn't have credibility.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing for him to discuss that.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing for him to do.

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Speaker 1: The House has passed a budget. Yes, they have given

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Speaker 2: Irrelevant. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: He has no relevancy to the issue than you know,

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Speaker 1: And as far as the shutdowns concerned, this is a

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Speaker 2: I've known him all his life. He's always been sort

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Speaker 1: But I think he's losing my points. Yeah, he's always

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Speaker 1: are but seriousness? Right, this is this is like the

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Speaker 3: Yes, And you know, we were talking about mayors being

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Speaker 2: We're still safe, all right, Let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, our old pal. Jesse Brown, Socialist,

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Speaker 2: I speak straight, no question about it, and he.

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Speaker 1: Is going to bring the smoke on Joe Hogg sat

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Speaker 1: signing off for the hogs that administrator the City of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: because they're pointing fingers at everybody. Now, somebody in city

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Thanks for having me on. All right,

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Speaker 1: so you were the kind of the first person to

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Speaker 1: It was like one of those press press deals where

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Speaker 1: first let's look at the status quo. How were your

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Speaker 1: tell you way too high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: AES just had a big rate increase, right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: Now they're asking for another one. We look and see

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Speaker 4: That Blackrock is talking about buying AES's parent company. Usually

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Speaker 4: Other context is the Office of Utility Consumer counselor the OUCC.

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Speaker 4: of and considered. OUCC held five field hearing in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 4: And to their credit that as people freaked out about

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: So the obviously utility Consumer Counselor came out with their

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Speaker 1: And you've got so then you've got like sort of momentum.

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Speaker 1: Now even though Bron's a big phony on this because

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: So I'm on the board of Citizens Action Coalition, which

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Speaker 4: OUCC and CAAC both just refused to sit down to

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Speaker 4: And do you notice the press release the words Joe

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, Okay. Jesse Brown from the Indianapoli City Cutty

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Speaker 4: Real momentum and bipartisan momentum. Right, So you see, like

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Speaker 4: you said, I agree, Mike Bron is a phoney Mike Fawn.

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Speaker 4: This is the same type of manipulative gas lighting that

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Speaker 4: even though that's required under law. You got to do that, right,

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Speaker 4: what's happening here. So he did cut a deal so

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Speaker 4: millions of dollars. So the press release says the city, right,

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Speaker 4: do they save that money? Literally, they're asking you to

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bred from the Indianapos City County Council is our guests.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about this deal that was struck by the

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Speaker 1: Don't you guys as counselors, can't you go? Can he

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Speaker 1: just do that and speak on your behalf? Well, hilariously,

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm a socialist, right, We've got eighteen Dems,

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Speaker 4: we've got six Republicans on the council, and twenty five

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Speaker 4: of us unanimously last week just passed a resolution saying

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Speaker 4: no city councillor was even communicated with hawks Sead just

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Speaker 1: But can't you guys do something? I mean, can he

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Speaker 1: do this and just say, well, I speak for the city. No,

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Speaker 4: Right, That's how a real city would work, right, when

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Speaker 4: still pass these horrible budgets year after year. You know

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Speaker 4: what we could do, and this is something that again

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Speaker 4: Josh Band and me talking about this last Monday, is

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Speaker 4: the city could come together and use revenue bonds and

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Speaker 4: buy AES Indiana and run as a municipal co op

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Speaker 4: the way the ramc's run. So this wouldn't be trust me,

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Speaker 4: I would never agree to Joe Hogg set runs our

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Speaker 4: electric company. I've seen how badly he runs everything else.

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Speaker 4: But the citizens, the rate payers, could collectively manage this

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Speaker 4: and stop paying a CEO twenty five million dollars a

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Speaker 4: year and run it effectively.

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Speaker 1: Jess Around for the Indianapolis City County Council is our guest.

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Speaker 1: When are your colleagues going to have enough of this guy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just obviously, and I'll get to the

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Speaker 1: Thomas Carl Cook thing in just a second. Share, but

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Speaker 1: it's just one thing after another, and other than you,

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Speaker 1: and I guess Carlino finally decided she had had enough,

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Speaker 1: changing her mind several times. None of your other colleagues

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Speaker 1: seem to ever be done with this guy. That's right.

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Speaker 4: And you know I put it in an email to

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Speaker 4: constituency yesterday, Hogg said's legacy is trash. There's no doubt

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Speaker 4: about it that fifteen years from now, when we look

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Speaker 4: back at the history of Indianapolis, we're going to see,

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Speaker 4: you know, an alcoholic mayor who was abusive to his

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Speaker 4: staff and who let a bunch of corrupt development deals

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Speaker 4: go by. That's how people will remember him, period. I

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Speaker 4: don't care what anybody says now. The only question is

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Speaker 4: are counselor is going to be remembered as part of

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Speaker 4: that posse or are they going to be independent politicians

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Speaker 4: who still have a career after all that this is

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Speaker 4: said and done. I don't understand what they're waiting for.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to be a Jesse Brown.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to come out, you know, guns blazing

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Speaker 4: and calling out the corruption as you see it. You

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Speaker 4: can at least put some distance between yourself and the administration.

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Speaker 1: So why not look at how happy you are? But

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Speaker 1: you're still upright, you're taking Dershman. You haven't been found

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Speaker 1: floating in the monon, I mean not yet, Like you're

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Speaker 1: you're still here and you're pretty popular amongst your constituents. Like,

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Speaker 1: what are they afraid of?

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Speaker 4: I think it's about the money, right, So you look

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Speaker 4: at Joe Hogsa and how much money he has in

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Speaker 4: the bank and how tight he is with the deep

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Speaker 4: pockets that really fund politics in this city. I have

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Speaker 4: the distinct advantage. I didn't take any of their money

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Speaker 4: to get elected, so I had nothing to lose. They

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Speaker 4: have a lot to lose. They know that their constituents

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Speaker 4: don't know them very well. None of us do. Even

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Speaker 4: my election, twelve percent of the population turned out for

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Speaker 4: that primary, So you know, I can't claim that I've

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Speaker 4: got this amazing democratic mandate. I'm just doing my job

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Speaker 4: the best I see fit to do it, and constituents

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Speaker 4: are going to decide whether they want to re elect me,

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Speaker 4: and I'm cool with that. I think you are by

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Speaker 4: far the most honest member of the city County Council.

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Speaker 1: Say that all the time. I like you the best,

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Speaker 1: even though I may I don't even know what. I

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Speaker 1: disagree with you the most, because I think you're the

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Speaker 1: most in I think you're the most engaged with the people.

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Speaker 1: I think you speak for the people the most. Now

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Speaker 1: you got some weird views about the cars, but I like,

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Speaker 1: I think you sort of have a blueprint on whether

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Speaker 1: you're a Democrat or Republican, how to do it the

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Speaker 1: right way, whether you're at the person's politics or not,

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Speaker 1: which is you go right to the people, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, in whether you want

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Speaker 1: to call it a democracy, a democratic republic, or a republic,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, consent comes from the governed right, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where the power comes from. You can't skip

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Speaker 1: that step of actually talking with people and seeing how

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Speaker 1: they feel before I let you go. Two things. One,

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Speaker 1: is this done now with the rate increase because the

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Speaker 1: IRC can still reject this.

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Speaker 4: Correct, they could still reject it. And actually, I'm glad

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Speaker 4: you brought that up. This morning, I'm going to be

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Speaker 4: sending a letter to the IURC asking them to take

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Speaker 4: an unprecedented step that I don't think they've ever taken before,

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Speaker 4: which is to hold field hearings. So they already held

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Speaker 4: four field hearings about the rate case. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 4: them to hold a field hearing or two about this

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Speaker 4: propose settle just because again, if the City of Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: is claiming to speak for us, let's hear what actual

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Speaker 4: ratepayers from the City of Indianapolis think about this. I

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Speaker 4: think that we need a little bit more public testimony

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Speaker 4: just to keep this in the spotlight and make sure

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Speaker 4: that U s understands Joe Hoggson does not speak for us.

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Speaker 4: You go run for mayor not this time around. I

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Speaker 4: don't think, but I saw you post about this. You know,

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Speaker 4: if somebody comes opart with it, somebody comes up with

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Speaker 4: a couple million bucks to help me out, then then

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Speaker 4: maybe I'll think about it.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy from mayor you for governor? Right, Yeah, there you go, brother,

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Speaker 1: uh Jesse Brown remember of the Indianapoli city kind of council?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's Kennel case Sho ninety

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Speaker 1: three wibc.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I see what you're doing here. I see what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: What's an R.

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Speaker 1: Deane Taylor. It's great. It's Kennel and Casey show. I'm Rob.

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Speaker 1: Casey's out today. Jim Merritt's in for Casey. So Jim

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Speaker 1: you're and I you guy, you graduated a few years

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Speaker 1: ago from IU.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I like to think about that way.

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Speaker 1: And now, okay, so technically I have I tell people

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to never want to be accused

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Speaker 1: of fibbing. I have an IU diploma on my wall

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Speaker 1: because I think go to I you Bloomington and went DIU.

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Speaker 4: P y.

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Speaker 1: The diploma says Indiana University of Can I say I'm

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Speaker 1: an I You grad?

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Speaker 2: I would think you could say that, right, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Misleading the audience. So I am an IU grad. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And we both are taking an interest in this story

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Speaker 1: because there's all sorts of drama now involving the IU

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Speaker 1: Student newspaper, or at least what was left of it,

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Daily Students.

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Speaker 3: Yes, or on April one, it's the Indiana Daily Stupid.

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Speaker 1: That's not what they have, a like an April fool's addition. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: So once upon a time this not to like say

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Speaker 1: you were alive back in the Stone Age or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but that was once upon a time. The IU Daily

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Speaker 1: Student was a pretty big deal on the IU campus.

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Speaker 3: It has because of the journalism school. It has always resonated,

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Speaker 3: It's always had a reach about it, and I read

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Speaker 3: it religiously when I was there.

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Speaker 1: True story. You want to want my IU journalism school story?

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Speaker 1: Would you like this?

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Speaker 2: Of course? I'm sure our listeners would too.

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Speaker 1: So I was in the student newspaper in high school

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Speaker 1: and I had an opinion column shocking right, and it

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Speaker 1: was very well read because I just ripped on various

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Speaker 1: parts of the high school and things.

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Speaker 2: And it was all the way back then.

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Speaker 1: It was very popular and so the school, since they

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Speaker 1: couldn't kick me out of the out of the newspaper,

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Speaker 1: I didn't do anything like technically wrong. I just wrote

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Speaker 1: pieces they didn't like. They said, send him to journalism camp.

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Speaker 1: They'll teach him how to be a good writer. And

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Speaker 1: so they paid for me to go to the summer

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Speaker 1: IU journalism camp and the newspaper of what instructor supervisor

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Speaker 1: or whatever they call. He goes. Now, whatever they tell

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Speaker 1: you, you just follow them and you'll come back here and

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Speaker 1: you'll be a much better writer this fall for your

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Speaker 1: senior year. So I go and they make you take

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Speaker 1: your pieces and you turn them in, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they they read them and they go, well, these are wonderful.

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Speaker 1: And I said really, I said, yeah, you're a great writer.

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Speaker 1: And I said well they they said no, no, no, they

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Speaker 1: don't like that. You're ripping on the school and you're

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Speaker 1: being critical of the school. You're writing is phenomenal. And

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Speaker 1: here's you know, they do a little report card on you,

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Speaker 1: and they I go back, and he goes, well, what'd

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Speaker 1: you learn? I said, they said I was great. Now

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Speaker 1: he said, well, don't listen to anything they told you.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, when when Walter Cronkite was, it was

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Speaker 3: a very trustworthy entity in person and media person, way

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Speaker 3: back when, and when when Johnson LBJ president, Johnson lost

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Speaker 3: Walter Cronkite and and and he lost the war. And

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Speaker 3: when Mark Cuban tweets that he's not happy and he's

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Speaker 3: given so much money and so much support, uh and

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Speaker 3: and really just everything to Indiana University, and he tweets,

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Speaker 3: he's not happy, and you've lost Mark Cuban.

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Speaker 2: There's a problem.

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Speaker 3: There's a vacuum, don't We don't have an explanation that

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Speaker 3: I can see from Indiana University itself. And right now

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Speaker 3: there's a vacuum of an explanation of why this actually happened.

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Speaker 1: All right, So here's what's going on. And I derailed

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Speaker 1: myself there by talking about my esteemed high school students.

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Speaker 1: Paper journalism, you talk about yourself, Okay, So here's what's

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Speaker 1: going on. So what this was recently, because of cost

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Speaker 1: et cetera, they limited the IU Daily Student, which used

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Speaker 1: to be what it was like a weekly publication.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean it was well read, you know, in.

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Speaker 1: The newspaper boxes, et cetera. But due to cost, they

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Speaker 1: have essentially limited them to a couple times a year

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Speaker 1: them putting out actual print editions. Everything else is online.

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Speaker 1: You log onto a website ed that's where a lot

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Speaker 1: of journalism is going. But you know, it was a

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Speaker 1: big deal when it happened at IU, and part of

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Speaker 1: that that the university basically said, hey, when we do

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Speaker 1: these print editions, we don't want hard news. We want

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Speaker 1: them to be special things, homecoming, various events around campus.

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Speaker 1: That's our directive to you about these print additions that

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Speaker 1: are going to show up. We're paying to print them,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. This is what we want. Well, the guy

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Speaker 1: who is what the journalism teacher, the main guy over there,

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Speaker 1: he didn't like that. So they were going to put

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Speaker 1: news in the print editions. And Jim Rodenbush is the

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Speaker 1: guy's name, the director of student media, and he said,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. We're going to and

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, you can't do that. We're giving you

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Speaker 1: a directive. We're paying for this with tax payer money.

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Speaker 1: We are in charge of this university. We're telling you

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Speaker 1: what you're going to do. So they fired the guy,

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Speaker 1: and now everybody's up in arms, claiming their First Amendment

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Speaker 1: rights have been violated. And I say to that, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a right to print the IU Daily Student.

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Speaker 1: It's part of this university. The trustees, the people in charge,

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Speaker 1: the resident They make the choices, whether you like them

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Speaker 1: or not. That's the rules. You pay by. Somebody else

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Speaker 1: is paying for this, they get to say what it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a First Amendment thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's one of those things where people

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Speaker 3: on those situations where people didn't really realize what the

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Speaker 3: backlash was gonna be.

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Speaker 2: And and there is so much conversation.

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Speaker 3: About the First Amendment these days, and there should have

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Speaker 3: been a meeting of the minds and somehow an agreement

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Speaker 3: that it's all about what you say offline. And obviously

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Speaker 3: obviously there was not a Kumbaya moment. And when you

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Speaker 3: fire somebody and and they have a megaphone and they's

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Speaker 3: still the media, and right now, sure, but they're a

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Speaker 3: media paid for by somebody else, Like our bosses, I said.

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Speaker 1: They you know, they mostly leave us alone. They don't

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Speaker 1: ever tell us you have to say this, but we

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Speaker 1: have rules and procedures here. I don't just get to

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Speaker 1: go nah, I'm not doing that. They're the bosses. They

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Speaker 1: say what we do.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have a first men right to walk on that

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Speaker 1: sidewalk down in front of us on forty nine um

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Speaker 1: a circle and say what I want. But when I'm here,

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Speaker 1: I follow their rules. They being urban one because they're

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Speaker 1: the owners. Like, this isn't a First Amendment thing, it's

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Speaker 1: you're essentially working for this university. You do what they say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it goes back to the devils in the details,

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Speaker 3: and nobody wants to get into the details. Everybody's fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand feet And when you think about First Amendment and

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Speaker 3: people talk about it, and you have Mark Cuban among

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Speaker 3: many others tweeting about it, it is just it rules

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Speaker 3: the day because people aren't paying attention to the detail

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Speaker 3: and they don't think about that as deeply as what

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Speaker 3: you just said.

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Speaker 2: You're right, but people aren't. People don't dig into these things.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, can you go back to the last thing.

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Speaker 1: He just said, well, no, how, I'm only going to

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Speaker 1: say that once today. You're right, all right, So Jim

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Speaker 1: Merritt is in for Casey today. By the way, have

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Speaker 1: you ever been hit up to give money? Tie? You do?

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Speaker 1: They hit you up time to give them money?

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Speaker 2: Of course, And I'm a dutiful or of Don't.

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Speaker 1: You feel like you gave them enough when you were

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Speaker 1: going there? That's the way I always looked at it

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Speaker 1: was like.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was only thirty three dollars an hour?

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Speaker 1: Oh it was? Is that all it was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you take fifteen hours of which I didn't, but

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Speaker 3: you take twelve twelve to fifteen hours times thirty three.

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Speaker 3: And that was what the tuition was back in nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy seven. Yeah, it was really really at.

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Speaker 2: That time, it was extensive. But if you look back

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Speaker 2: on it, it was a really good They would.

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Speaker 1: Given it away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they were, they were, and I enjoyed every minute

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: You are on this i u r C, the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Utility Regulatory Commission Board, and you have a big job

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Speaker 1: in front of you, which is to make recommendations to

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Speaker 1: the governor on who's going to oversee be the new

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Speaker 1: people overseeing this board, and so.

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Speaker 2: We're just going to try to describe this and not

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Speaker 2: have people snore.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's very important. It's extremely par because its

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Speaker 1: gona affet everybody'slity bills going forward, the decisions you guys make,

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Speaker 1: and so I want you to walk us through this

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Speaker 1: process of what you're looking for. Can you guys have

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Speaker 1: to line up with the Governor's vision. Let's help everybody

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Speaker 1: understand how these utility bills are going to be decided

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Speaker 1: going forward. It's Kenela Casey show Meriton for Casey ninety

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Speaker 1: three WIBC