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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, everyone, Welcome into UH the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: high top the Circle in downtown Indianapolis. The Colt's getting

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Speaker 1: ready for a weekend preseason game against the Packers. They'll

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Speaker 1: have joint practices tomorrow. But Jordan Love, who had surgery

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Speaker 1: on a left and ligament, gonna be out for at

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Speaker 1: least a week, they said, Kevin, so he won't be

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Speaker 1: around to play in this one.

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Speaker 2: Malik Willis, Sean Clifford, and some dude who went to

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Speaker 2: Mark please look this.

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Speaker 3: Up, UH.

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Speaker 2: Wilford lorie A University.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I don't think I've ever heard Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of that?

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Speaker 4: Kevin?

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be made up. There's no He's one

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Speaker 2: of those people that, like does the catfishing commit on

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Speaker 2: signing day to like school that you've never heard of Will?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm saying that right. What

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Speaker 2: do you think Division III? Maybe they beat Wabashed on

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Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen a.

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Speaker 3: Few years ago.

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Speaker 1: You'd think we did it.

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Speaker 2: I'm famous, Taylor Mark if if.

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Speaker 5: That yeah, Taylor EGGLERZMA, which sounds like a disease you

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Speaker 5: get diagnosed with at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: So what happens to that guy in the second half

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Speaker 1: is like eleven of seventeen for one hundred and fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Let's not go down that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, those are the three quarterbacks, Willis Clifford and

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Speaker 2: the dude who played at some school we've never heard

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Speaker 2: is a D three Mark.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's Wilford Lawyer University. I'm trying to see what

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Speaker 5: division they are. I'm trying to even see where they're going.

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Speaker 1: Second word, lawyer, la you.

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Speaker 4: R I e r.

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Speaker 3: I think French on that. Yeah, okay, that's where I went.

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Speaker 2: I guess I should go with our French expert here,

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Speaker 2: Jeff and ask him.

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Speaker 1: I've been there for a couple of weeks. I know

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Speaker 1: everything now. That's how that hapens.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Unfortunately, the challenge I don't think will be

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Speaker 2: as men's gain. Green Bay rather banged up. I mean defensively,

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Speaker 2: you know, last year in that week to matchup, they

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Speaker 2: were pretty stifling. Jeff Halfley, their defensive coordinator, came over

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Speaker 2: from Boston College. He's one of those head coaches in college.

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Speaker 2: Became a coordinator in the NFL. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: anytime you see somebody else, I do think it's more beneficial.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, I don't think it'll be maybe as big

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Speaker 2: of a challenge as we once thought it would be.

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Speaker 5: That university located in Ontario.

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Speaker 6: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's probably why I've never heard of it, right m hm.

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Speaker 1: Now, see we've all learned something today, JB. I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious any of you guys, Mark, are you a UFC

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Speaker 1: guy at all? Have you ever purchased any of the

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Speaker 1: pay per view or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: No, I've been at bars where they've aired, but never

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Speaker 5: like willingly purchased.

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Speaker 1: I've never purchased one of those of you, JB, or

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Speaker 1: been around one or gone to a party where that

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I've gone to a few one fights on in the background,

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Speaker 7: but I couldn't tell you a lot about UFC, just

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Speaker 7: because I'm not a huge fan of it, and usually

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Speaker 7: if I'm going to a party about it, it's because

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Speaker 7: there's good food there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the pay per view days are over. As of yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Dana White and UFC signed a seven point seven billion

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Speaker 1: dollars deal apparently, and everything they do is now going

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Speaker 1: to be on Paramount.

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Speaker 2: So Paramount is the CBS streamer. Yeah, yes, I feel

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Speaker 2: like Paramount's the one that's been last to the game.

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Speaker 2: And I could be biased here, like when I speak

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Speaker 2: from a Notre Dame standpoint, like they have air games

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Speaker 2: on Peacock for about the last probably four or five years.

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Speaker 2: quickly downloaded Peacock during that game. And yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: feel like that one has, you know, been a little

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Speaker 2: bit more prevalental. Fox Sports we're currently probably talking about

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Speaker 2: a bit of a streaming service given their new investment

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Speaker 2: in the IndyCar. But yeah, Paramount Plus, I I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's never crossed my mind to sign up

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Speaker 2: for Paramount Plus, I guess, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Land Man right on Paramount.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is alone.

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Speaker 6: I watched land Man.

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Speaker 5: See what he did there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so year with Shoe Hee Otani.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmas something you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Something's happening there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll watch it any of you, Mark, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: Do you guys have Paramount Plus?

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Speaker 5: We have it only because my sister in law has

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Speaker 5: it and we passwords to share with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Really does anyone organ anyone organically pay for paramount Plus?

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Speaker 1: Jeft never know, I don't you know?

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Speaker 7: Sound like he was on the committee for Netflix when

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Speaker 3: Gonna sit here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on my moral high ground here and I

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Speaker 2: don't share passwords. But what I'm getting now, it's Wendy

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Speaker 2: hit on the moral high ground. What I'm getting at

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Speaker 2: is paramunt Plus. I don't think is one that a

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Speaker 2: lot of people pay. But having said that, this deal

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Speaker 2: is huge, wasn't it north the seven billion?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And look, if you're somebody who regularly pays for

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Speaker 1: the pay per view events, isn't it worth it to

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Speaker 1: you to just get a streaming service?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would think so maybe people who do love

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Speaker 1: the UFC and watch it all the time. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that's kept me from really ever paying much

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Speaker 1: attention to it is I just wasn't gonna pay for

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Speaker 1: the pay per view.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because they are any ESPN Plus, you had to

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Speaker 5: buy like the ESPN Plus subscription and then on top

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Speaker 5: which is like another eighty bucks a month. I'm like,

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Speaker 7: Well as the person who carries all of my family

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Speaker 7: I told you do it for grandma though, don't you Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I pay for Grandma's but everybody. So my parents like,

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Speaker 7: do we have this? I love you guys, but I

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Speaker 7: am maxed out. You have access to my max account.

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Speaker 7: My grandma has Netflix, you got Apple TV, you got

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Speaker 7: ESPN plus, Disney plus, I'm done, so if you want it.

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Speaker 7: My dad's like, do we have Landman?

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Speaker 2: I have Lambman, Grandma, you will not get my only fans.

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Speaker 1: That's late it quickly, but we already. All you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see is speedos shots of Speedos on there. Probably right she's.

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Speaker 6: Gonna be asking who this Kevin Bowen character is.

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Speaker 1: So it makes me wonder, though, and I want to

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Speaker 1: get everybody's thoughts and feel free to either, you know,

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Speaker 1: call us up at two three nine ten seventy or

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Speaker 1: send us a text at two three nine ten seventy

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Speaker 1: on the fan text line, I'm just curious, are we

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Speaker 1: inching closer and closer to today's where we can't even

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Speaker 1: subscription to somebody on streaming. I don't know that five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think got days anytime soon. I hope, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But you look at all the money that these these

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Speaker 1: streamers are investing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's On's the broadcast deal come up?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we obviously have to get to the end

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Speaker 4: Two or three years away.

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Speaker 1: Is that it will take a look at it.

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Speaker 3: I have a longer brought attention deal than that.

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Speaker 1: But the point is, like when our kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: years from now, when they're twenty six, twenty seven, do

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Speaker 1: they still just get to PLoP down in front of

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Speaker 1: CBS at one o'clock on Sunday afternoon and watch the culture.

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Speaker 5: The media rights deal is for eleven years, that the

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Speaker 2: Or three years away we're going I can't even imagine

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Speaker 2: probably gluing together one particular entity more than any other

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Speaker 2: is March Madness in that TV deal. And when that

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Speaker 2: when that comes up the future of college athletics. Again,

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Speaker 2: Imagining things seven years down the road seems a hair ludicrous,

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Speaker 7: Then Max Bullen's gonna be trying to figure out who

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Speaker 7: do I want to go Division.

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Speaker 6: Football?

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Speaker 1: You no, chan By then my kids are gonna be

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what a streaming service would pay for

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Speaker 2: May so, again, we are always aways down the road, yeah, Nora, Rosie.

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Speaker 3: And I's note though too.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, and I want to hear from

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Speaker 1: folks who love the UFC. I would think it's a

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Speaker 1: bargain for them if they've been paying for you know,

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Speaker 1: five or six times a year whatever it is, Mark.

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Speaker 3: What's paramount a month?

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Speaker 6: And its going to I think it's like six bucks

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Speaker 2: That, and I'm guessing it'll go up maybe that based on.

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Speaker 6: What if you got it?

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Speaker 1: You know you want to learned that you're not going

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Speaker 1: to share your password with me, so I know that.

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Speaker 6: Oh no chance I cut family off though. It is

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Speaker 5: It says it's seven ninety nine per month and then

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Speaker 5: if you want to add it to get showtime as

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Speaker 5: well as twelve ninety nine. Yes, Aaron from Minnesota says

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Speaker 5: he gets it because a Landman and Tulsa King are tremendous.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's also the streaming service thank you here

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Speaker 2: to this tweet for a lot of the UF.

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Speaker 3: Champions League and all that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, EPI on it.

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Speaker 2: So that's probably something that I don't know a chunk

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Speaker 3: But that's not my cup of tea. But I totally

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Speaker 3: get a good amount of people do have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine that people. It looks it's probably

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Speaker 1: a bargain for them and Dana White doing something a

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Speaker 1: little daring. Again, I know people were lauding him for

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Speaker 1: that yesterday that they're they're stepping out. So I was

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Speaker 1: just curious what people are willing to spend. I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: do you know Mark what you spend for streaming a month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus, this is like, because I know it's over.

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Speaker 1: What are doing in our house?

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Speaker 5: YouTube TV? What is eighty two bucks a month? And

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Speaker 5: I just got the first of three installments taken out

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Speaker 5: for Sunday Ticket, which was one hundred and eight and

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Speaker 1: And you talk about little PTSD for Colts fans last year.

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Speaker 4: One last year.

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Speaker 7: If you tell me, oh my gosh, Patrick will home

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Speaker 6: Fifty. I couldn't. I couldn't care less.

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Speaker 6: Can't we keep official stats? Then we're gonna show us

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's inter question that I threw Jim Bob Cooter's way.

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Speaker 7: I saw you closing up to him, I said, who

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Speaker 2: Least in front of everybody. But they were kind of

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Speaker 6: I dit it's a bad move. I've learned it myself now.

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Speaker 1: I feel like having watched him with the Giants over

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Speaker 2: He's about I don't know, eight or nine percent higher

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think Jones is a more efficient player,

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Speaker 6: For him, I again I look at.

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Speaker 7: completion percentage to me might not matter as much just

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Speaker 7: I don't care what anybody says. You can tell me, oh,

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Speaker 6: Because if you do that.

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Speaker 6: Ken's got me like a philosophy calr.

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Speaker 2: This, you know, when we get into the regular season,

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Speaker 6: I think it's a better indicator in my brain of

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Speaker 2: We don't all have that in training and again, nothing's

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Speaker 1: Just curious knowing that they're going to reverse the roles

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Speaker 7: this game. I would do it after this game personally,

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Speaker 7: because at some point you got to just walk into

442
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Speaker 7: your locker room and tell your guys who you're rolling with.

443
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Speaker 7: And I think two preseason games is enough of a

444
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Speaker 7: simple size, and in that third game you probably want

445
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Speaker 7: to have it figured out. Someone's on everyone's on the

446
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 7: same page. I still probably play my guys, as Kevin

447
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 7: alluded to, I believe yesterday. So yeah, I think after

448
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 7: this week he should probably announce the starter.

449
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's That's probably where I'm at as well. Again,

450
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Speaker 2: we will not see any practices moving forward after tomorrow.

451
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow is our fine. I mean we will see what

452
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 3: stretching and.

453
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Speaker 7: Does it Kevin, use your hype brother and look over

454
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 7: the fences at what do we What am I paying

455
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 7: you for a one seventy five to the fanal individual period?

456
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Speaker 3: James is like boosting me up into the trees to watch.

457
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I can have Rick Carlisle just fly me over

458
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: the Eagle Airport, will be one of.

459
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Speaker 6: Those trench coaches. Wait, why I get on your shoulders.

460
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Speaker 7: I get the glasses and the mustache and repet you you.

461
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Speaker 1: Interlock your hands and let him put his foot on

462
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: there and then boost him up over the fence.

463
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Speaker 5: There be like andy defrain and like dig yourself in

464
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 5: just like the ground.

465
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Speaker 1: There's multiple ways to do thisnes how about Thrones?

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to James's point, I don't know.

467
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Speaker 2: I get a little vibe from Shane that he would

468
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Speaker 2: like to have this done this time next ones.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, know.

470
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Speaker 2: This is where it gets back to, Okay, what if

471
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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson comes out and has a very blah performance

472
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Speaker 2: on Saturday?

473
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Speaker 3: Can you really name him the starter after that?

474
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't if he came out and had a.

475
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Speaker 2: Horrible dame, what do you do next Saturday? Are you

476
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: playing them each a quarter against Cincinnati? Are you continuing

477
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: through the preseason game. It's just you know, probably once

478
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Speaker 2: you get through they will still I assume can mp

479
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Speaker 2: it up a little bit like Tuesday Wednesday at practice

480
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Speaker 2: next week. Right again, we won't watch it for the

481
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Speaker 2: full allotment that we're allowed to.

482
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Speaker 3: Now, but.

483
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Speaker 2: He's got room on the schedule, I guess, is what

484
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Speaker 2: I'm saying to probably do it for one more week,

485
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Speaker 2: then the Miami stuff really takes center stage. Of all right,

486
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Speaker 2: you gotta start preparing for week one. You know, we're

487
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Speaker 2: less than two weeks away from rosters, so if he

488
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: would like the schedule wise, he could probably keep it

489
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Speaker 2: going for another week. But again, from a let's commit

490
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Speaker 2: to someone, let's give them three weeks of the full

491
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Speaker 2: starting reps, that probably is something he would like to

492
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Speaker 2: entertain as well.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of feels like though. Still then unless

494
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does something special in Anthony Richardson is just

495
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Speaker 1: awful awful, it still feels like it's Ar's job to lose.

496
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Speaker 1: I know we've talked about that a little bit, but.

497
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Speaker 7: Is it that big of I was gonna say, I

498
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Speaker 7: don't feel that way necessarily. No, what do you feel

499
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Speaker 7: I've been saying on the show the last couple of days.

500
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Speaker 7: It's closer than people think it is. And I think

501
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Speaker 7: that they could absolutely start Daniel Jones, especially if Anthony

502
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Speaker 7: has a bad game that's looking Saturday.

503
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Speaker 1: But deep down, don't you think they want Anthony Richardson

504
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Speaker 1: to win this competition? They need him to win this competition?

505
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Speaker 9: Eh?

506
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Speaker 6: I think self preservation kicks in at some point. I

507
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 6: really do think that.

508
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Speaker 7: I think that you can want it, and you can

509
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 7: wish it all you want to. But if this dude

510
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Speaker 7: comes out against the Three Bay Packers and he plays

511
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Speaker 7: the most of the first half and he looks bad

512
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Speaker 7: or he gets injured again, there's gonna be serious conversations about, Okay,

513
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 7: do we actually play this guy. I understand the upside

514
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Speaker 7: where he was drafted, but self preservation will kick in

515
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Speaker 7: at some point. Everyone's gonna have to come to the

516
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Speaker 7: conversation of saying, do we want to marry our futures

517
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Speaker 7: in our job ten years to Anthony Richardson And if

518
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Speaker 7: the answer is no, then you start the other guy.

519
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating to watch it play out. But again,

520
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Speaker 1: we'll have a joint practice tomorrow Cults and Packers. As

521
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Speaker 1: you point out, Kevin, that's the last chance that anybody

522
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Speaker 1: publicly gets to see the Cults practice for a while.

523
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Speaker 1: That's it.

524
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Speaker 2: That is it earlier end to training camp than usual.

525
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, August fourteenth, it is about what is it

526
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Speaker 2: twelve thirteen days?

527
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Speaker 3: I think something like that.

528
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Speaker 2: If you add him all up at Grand Park. So yes,

529
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Speaker 2: tomorrow is it from an open practice standpoint, and I

530
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Speaker 2: guess for those that have come across tickets or are

531
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Speaker 2: trying to go, I thought it was sold out. I

532
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Speaker 2: believe this is one of those premium practices. I think

533
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Speaker 2: it does cause like five or ten bucks to all

534
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Speaker 2: proceeds I believe go to the Flag Football Association. So

535
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Speaker 2: just a little FYI there.

536
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Speaker 5: Last time to get your bucket hat signed by James Boyd.

537
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Speaker 5: I want at least two sides tomorrow.

538
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Speaker 6: I don't want to be damaging any more.

539
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 7: You know, equipment out there for you know, protect yourself

540
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Speaker 7: from the sun and not my signifaure two.

541
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Speaker 5: Signs of a bucket hat for James, and I want

542
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Speaker 5: Kevin to get someone bring Kevin another kool Aid package.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Blue Power Aid.

544
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: The man in the Florida shirt, I forget his name.

545
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Speaker 2: That was so just nice of him to bring that

546
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: clutch with old blue Power Aid. It probably started all

547
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Speaker 2: this drama we've had over the past few weeks.

548
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Speaker 5: You are very crotchety about all that, all.

549
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Speaker 1: Right, coming up in a minute, the head coach of

550
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers, Rick Carlisle, stops by. The guys will

551
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Speaker 1: have a chat with him about his summer and what's

552
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Speaker 1: going on there. We'll talk about his thoughts on the

553
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Speaker 1: opener against the old Coloma City Thunder and everything else

554
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Speaker 1: Pacers as we continue next. It's ninety three five and

555
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Speaker 1: one a seven.

556
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Speaker 2: Five the fan, and he had the coldest looking blue

557
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Speaker 2: power rate I've ever seen, and I mean my mouth

558
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: was watering. I mean, I thought to myself, that thing

559
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: looks immaculate. I want that thing, just mark, go ahead

560
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: and clip it out. I mean, that just looks beautiful. Well,

561
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: good Wednesday morning to you. A little overnight rain will

562
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Speaker 2: greet you if you haven't been outside this morning. Looks

563
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Speaker 2: to be decent temperature wise, if you haven't made to

564
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: the State Fair or one more colts training camp practice

565
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Speaker 2: coming up tomorrow shouldn't be two too hots. But let's

566
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Speaker 2: head to the payloss lookers hotline right now. The NBA

567
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: schedule gets fully announced coming up tomorrow. We did see

568
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Speaker 2: opening night inside a gamebridge Field House announced yesterday it

569
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Speaker 2: will be Pacers and Thunder coming up, a nationally televised game.

570
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Speaker 2: And to talk more about that. He is the head

571
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Speaker 2: coach of the Indiana Pacers. Our summer chat if you will,

572
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Speaker 2: Instead of Tuesdays at eight, how about Wednesday at eight.

573
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: He is Rick Carlisle coach. Happy summer. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

575
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: I'm all right, what's happening.

576
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 5: We're living life.

577
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Speaker 2: I before we get into maybe some basketball conbo, what's uh,

578
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Speaker 2: what's been on the summer agenda for you? Any any

579
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: great trips anything you've looked forward to doing this summer

580
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Speaker 2: that you've gotten accomplished.

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Speaker 9: Uh? Yeah, some some moving around to different places. But

582
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Speaker 9: it's it's been good. And you know, it's a very

583
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Speaker 9: short summer, obviously, because when you play the last thing,

584
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Speaker 9: you play your last game of the season on the

585
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Speaker 9: last possible day of the finals. It's, uh, the summer

586
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Speaker 9: is pretty short.

587
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Speaker 3: I mean to ask you this.

588
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Speaker 2: And and I don't know if you met moving around,

589
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: have you met within the Indie area, But when you

590
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: have been in Indy obviously you were, you know, the

591
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: head coach a couple of decades agoing. Now, have you

592
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: always lived in the same area or do you have

593
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Speaker 2: a particular like a part of that you really enjoy.

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Speaker 9: Well, we've lived in three different parts of town. When

595
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Speaker 9: I was first there as an assistant, we lived in

596
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Speaker 9: a pocket of homes called Golden Hill, which was down

597
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Speaker 9: kind of adjacent to Woodstock Country Club. It's kind of

598
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Speaker 9: like thirty eighth and Martin Luther King area. It's a

599
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Speaker 9: kind of an eclectic group of homes that's older.

600
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Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.

601
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Speaker 9: And interestingly, when I came in nineteen ninety seven to

602
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Speaker 9: work with Larry Bird, Dick Harder also came with us,

603
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Speaker 9: and we ended up buying a house that Dick Harder

604
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Speaker 9: and his wife Mary had lived in when he was

605
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Speaker 9: an assistant coach with Jack Ramsey in the mid eighties,

606
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Speaker 9: and so it was kind of a coincidental thing. And

607
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Speaker 9: the house also had been owned at one time by

608
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Speaker 9: former Mayor Hudnutt. The house had some interesting history. The

609
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 9: second time we were in the forty fourth and Penn area,

610
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 9: I guess it's Merdy and Kessler, and then you know,

611
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 9: now we're up north in the Carmel area, so uh yeah,

612
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 9: I'm mixing it up. But I've enjoyed all three, all

613
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 9: three spots.

614
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 6: Where can be pilot lessons.

615
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Speaker 9: As of late, I've I've flown a little bit, but no,

616
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Speaker 9: no lessons. I'm not I'm not current right now. I've

617
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Speaker 9: got a few I've got a few jet hours this summer,

618
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 9: but that's that simply means sitting in the left seat

619
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Speaker 9: with a highly trained instructor on my in the right

620
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 9: in the right seat, and you know, I'm doing the controls.

621
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Speaker 9: I'm doing take offs and landings and stuff like that.

622
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 9: And uh, you know I could do that stuff, but

623
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Speaker 9: I certainly would not be doing it by myself.

624
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Speaker 6: I respect that. I respect that.

625
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 7: Pivoting more to the basketball side of things, we see

626
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 7: that ty Reese is making some progress throughout his Achilles

627
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 7: rehab and I believe he'll be out of the boot

628
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 7: fairly soon, if he isn't already. So have you spoken

629
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Speaker 7: to him recently? And where is he at in his

630
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 7: recovery just mentally and physically right now.

631
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I have spoken to him recently. I've spoken to

632
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Speaker 9: him quite a few times this summer. He's in he's

633
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 9: in great spirits. He's just you know, he always has

634
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 9: a positive outlook on things. And you guys saw where

635
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 9: he and his girlfriend Jay got engaged. That was pretty

636
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 9: spectacular event that you know, they head over social media,

637
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 9: which is pretty cool. That happened up in uh in

638
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 9: ames Iowa at their alma mater, and that was a

639
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 9: complete surprise. But he pulled it off there in Grand fashion,

640
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 9: So congrats to them, But this is I don't know,

641
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 9: this is all going by fast. You know, it's been

642
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 9: a month and a half half already, maybe even a

643
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 9: little more than that. And the thing's gonna fly by.

644
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 9: This season coming up is gonna fly by. You know,

645
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 9: time is is flying by, and before you know it,

646
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 9: he'll be back, you know. And uh, things are still

647
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 9: cutting edge down in the medical world that these guys

648
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 9: you know now now don't just recover from this kind

649
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 9: of injury. They they would make a full, full recovery.

650
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 9: And so we're seeing it with Isaiah Jackson and James Wiseman.

651
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 9: Those guys have been really busting their butts, you know

652
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 9: during their entire rehab. And yesterday, Uh, Isaiah did some

653
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 9: five on five work in the gym and he's doing

654
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 9: real well. And Wiseman is you know, they're they're right

655
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 9: about neck and neck in terms of where their recovery

656
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 9: is at. Wiseman maybe slightly ahead, you know, because his

657
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 9: surgery I think was eight or ten days ahead of Isaiah's.

658
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 9: But but the hope is that those guys will be

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Speaker 9: ready to go com training camp.

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Speaker 2: So summer chat with Rick Carlisle normally Tuesdays at eight.

661
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Speaker 2: It is a Wednesday morning, and we appreciate the coach

662
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Speaker 2: hopping on with us here. Really enjoyed you with Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Cooper on her podcast last week, Coach, and in that

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Speaker 2: you mentioned to her that, you know, at different times

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Speaker 2: this summer you've had people either randomly contact you or

666
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Speaker 2: just come up to you and say, how really inspirational

667
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Speaker 2: the run was all the way to the finals into

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Speaker 2: Game seven last year. Do you think, like anything in

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Speaker 2: particular is why that run has stood out to so

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Speaker 2: many people, not I guess just purely Pacer fans, Like,

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Speaker 2: was there an element Have people shared with you a

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Speaker 2: particular reason why it's that run that has felt you know,

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Speaker 2: people the need or the urge I guess to go

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Speaker 2: up to you and and and say that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know when you run into you know, civilians,

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Speaker 9: non you know, non NBA people, they just you know,

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Speaker 9: they just talk about you know, these are word inspired.

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Speaker 9: You know, it was it was inspirational, and you know,

679
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Speaker 9: it just restored my faith in the NBA. Here's some

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Speaker 9: things like that, you know, like to see a team

681
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Speaker 9: play that hard and that together and all that and

682
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Speaker 9: this is this is all the credit goes to the

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Speaker 9: players for this, and so you know, talking to NBA people,

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Speaker 9: you know, running into people in Vegas. I was at

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Speaker 9: a zoom a couple of days ago with our executive

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Speaker 9: committee of the Coaches Association, along with some members of

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Speaker 9: the Competition committee. And and in fact, I ran into

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Speaker 9: an assistant coach with one of the Eastern Conference teams

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Speaker 9: about five days ago down here where we are in

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Speaker 9: South Carolina, and and he said, you know, you got

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Speaker 9: you guys, You guys are change the game, changing the

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Speaker 9: way game is played, the full court pressure, the way

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Speaker 9: people are looking at roster construction, all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 9: and so, uh, and I've gotten that comment or sentiment

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Speaker 9: on several occasions. And so obviously our fans should be

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Speaker 9: very proud, our players should be very proud. You know,

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Speaker 9: myself and the coaching staff is is proud. But you know,

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Speaker 9: the work is, the work goes on and it never

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Speaker 9: gets easier. And to to set a standard is one thing.

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Speaker 9: To maintain a standard and then and then work to

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Speaker 9: uh increase that standard is is something totally different.

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Speaker 2: You obviously have to live in a world where pretty

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Speaker 2: soon you got to fully fully turn the page.

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Speaker 3: And maybe already have.

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Speaker 2: But have you found yourself at any point in this

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Speaker 2: offseason going back and watching any part of that run,

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Speaker 2: or maybe thinking back on any part of it that

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Speaker 2: really stands out to you.

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Speaker 3: I mean so many games.

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Speaker 2: I was talking with somebody yesterday about it, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just that you got to Game seven.

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Speaker 3: It was really cinema.

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Speaker 2: It was like Hollywood type eight points to nine seconds.

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Speaker 2: It seemingly happened a handful of times throughout that run.

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Speaker 2: Have you gone back and watched any of it, anything

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Speaker 2: stand out or is it fully turned the page?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I watched. I did not watch, well, I should

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Speaker 9: say I watched. I watched the beginning of Game seven.

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Speaker 9: I watched the first I guess it was four and

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Speaker 9: a half minutes where Tyree shipping his third three and

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Speaker 9: they called time out and I just shut it off there.

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Speaker 9: I didn't really want to see anymore. But you know,

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Speaker 9: you watch all the games obviously, you know, as you

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Speaker 9: go through that, and I thought back to it. You know,

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Speaker 9: there have been some things I looked at this summer,

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Speaker 9: you know, when we acquired Jay Hoffe, I went back

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Speaker 9: and looked at some of the minutes where he played

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Speaker 9: against US when he's a Memphis because we played them

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Speaker 9: also in a preseason game last year, and so yeah,

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Speaker 9: I mean it's that, but I'm I'm usually pretty good

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Speaker 9: at turning the page and and moving forward. You know.

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Speaker 9: It's if things if things do end in a difficult way,

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Speaker 9: which this did, it's it's just is uh, it's it's

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Speaker 9: just to me. It's it's this great motivation to jump

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Speaker 9: into the next thing. And so the next thing is

736
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Speaker 9: is a year where you know there's going to be

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Speaker 9: amazing opportunity for our team, our guys. You know, expectations

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Speaker 9: around the world, around the NBA world are going to

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Speaker 9: be significantly lower. I think we've seen that with some

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Speaker 9: of the Vegas predictions on wins and all that kind

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Speaker 9: of stuff. But this is that's why we played the games,

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Speaker 9: you know, so we're looking forward to it.

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Speaker 7: Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers, joined us from

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Speaker 7: the Paylos Sickers Hig Line. Rick, you appeared on Kellen

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Speaker 7: Cooper's podcast what you Already talked about, But in that

746
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Speaker 7: same podcast, you mentioned that the starting two guard position

747
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Speaker 7: is Benedigt matherins to lose, and you mentioned that he's

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Speaker 7: a natural scorer and within that answer. You also mention

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Speaker 7: that he's that he can score and get budgets in

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Speaker 7: a rat game. And we're asking, I think last week,

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Speaker 7: what is a rat game? Number one and then number two?

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Speaker 7: What do you see this? How do you use this

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Speaker 7: opportunity for bending matheren?

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, if you guys are not subscribed

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Speaker 9: to basketball, she wrote on Patreon, you're making a big mistake.

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Speaker 9: In fact, for this, I might even I might even

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Speaker 9: pay for both of your subscriptions. I have such great

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Speaker 9: belief that this would be as knowledgeable as you guys are.

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Speaker 9: This would this would increase your knowledge of the NBA

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Speaker 9: and particularly the Pacers in an exponential fashion. I mean,

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Speaker 9: what Caitlin is doing with her site is really is

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Speaker 9: really amazing. The detail, you know, the writing mentioned on

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Speaker 9: the podcast that you know, she's been approached by multiple

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Speaker 9: NBA teams that have tried to hire her, but she

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Speaker 9: is she stayed true to her mission, which is to

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Speaker 9: uh study the Pacers at the most meticulous level. She

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Speaker 9: loves writing, and she's a great writer. And you know,

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Speaker 9: every time we play a game, there's a there's a

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Speaker 9: story that comes out. If you subscribe to her site,

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Speaker 9: it comes out it comes directly to your email and

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Speaker 9: then usually there's a podcast that follows, you know. So

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Speaker 9: I'm I'm really, I'm really in awe of what she's

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Speaker 9: doing there, and so I would encourage you guys to subscribe,

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Speaker 9: or anyone to subscribe for that matter.

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Speaker 4: Anyway.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so the question about Ben, Yeah, you know, Ben,

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Speaker 9: it's important to Ben that to be a starter. I

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Speaker 9: know that. You know, he's told me that. You guys

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Speaker 9: can see that, you know, with the way that he plays.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's you know, why why wait? You know

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Speaker 9: he's the starter on day one. You know. The the

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Speaker 9: caveat to that is that he's got to continue to

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Speaker 9: move his game in the direction of being a highly

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Speaker 9: functioning part of the Indiana Pacers. And that's gonna that's

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Speaker 9: going to mean that he's got to continue to play

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Speaker 9: faster and faster. He's got to run faster, run harder.

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Speaker 9: He's got to he's got to play off with quick decisions.

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Speaker 9: He's going to be guarding a lot of great players,

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Speaker 9: you know, and you think about it with Tyree's being

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Speaker 9: out this year and Nemhar the starting point, so you know,

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Speaker 9: Andrew Nemar guarded the best perimeter player almost always is

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Speaker 9: either here Anie Smith. But you know, with with Tyres out,

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Speaker 9: you know Andrew, it's going to put him on different

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Speaker 9: matchups sort of organically. And now Ben is going to

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Speaker 9: be guarding guys that are better players. So this will

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Speaker 9: be a great challenge. You know, Ben told us when

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Speaker 9: when he was drafted that he wanted to be coach hard,

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Speaker 9: he wanted to be great, you know, and and and everything,

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Speaker 9: and uh and I've always took him at his word.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have high standards for him. But he's gotta,

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Speaker 9: he's gotta, he's gotta, he's got to keep he's got

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Speaker 9: to keep pushing it. He's got to keep pushing it.

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Speaker 9: You know, his gifts are pretty clear. I mean, he's

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Speaker 9: a great transition player. He shoots the ball long range

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Speaker 9: with ease. I mean he shoots the ball from thirty

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Speaker 9: five feet, you know, just just he could just pop

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Speaker 9: up and just you know, flip in a jump shot.

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Speaker 9: And so you know, those those are the big strengths

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Speaker 9: to his offensive game. And so you know the situations

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Speaker 9: where he at times gets into trouble, driving into crowd

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Speaker 9: stuff like that, you know that stuff's got to go away,

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Speaker 9: and we're going to work with him hard on that

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Speaker 9: he's having a great summer. He's busting his body, he's

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Speaker 9: gonna he's actually up in I think he's in Toronto

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Speaker 9: right now spending time with Team Canada. I don't think

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Speaker 9: he's participating in the World Championships, but he's there. And

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Speaker 9: I don't know that he's participating in the workouts, but

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Speaker 9: he is there watching. If he's not participating, and and

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Speaker 9: he's uh, I believe you know, I would certainly have

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Speaker 9: to believe that he's a big part of Team Canada's future.

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Speaker 9: So anyway, all good stuff on Ben Mathern. I know

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Speaker 9: that Kevin is the president of the Ben Mathern Fan Club, indeed,

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Speaker 9: and so uh so it's so there, So there we go.

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Speaker 9: And so as president of the fan club, you should

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Speaker 9: you should be pushing all the all of your all

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Speaker 9: of your members to uh to hit him on social

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Speaker 9: media about the things that he needs to do to

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Speaker 9: continue to work to be great.

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Speaker 2: If that's to the top of the monthly meeting coming

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Speaker 2: up here next week, well, I will say this fort

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Speaker 2: I subscribe to basketball. She wrote, actually have a shirt

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Speaker 2: as well. Caitlin Cooper so been a long time subscriber.

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Speaker 2: For probably over a year and a half or two

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Speaker 2: years at this point. And one quick follow up, what

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Speaker 2: is a rat game?

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Speaker 7: Can We were debating this last week and we have

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Speaker 7: no idea how you view that or what that means.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, no disrespect to rats, but yeah, it's

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Speaker 9: a it's a term. It's a term to me that means.

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Speaker 9: Let let's say you're playing a team that's a very

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Speaker 9: hard playing, physical team that does a lot of switching

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Speaker 9: and does a lot of things to junk up the game,

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Speaker 9: and it's just gonna be it's gonna be a game

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Speaker 9: that looks like it's a little detached and a little

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Speaker 9: clunky on a lot of on a lot of levels.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's a guy that is in the in

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Speaker 9: the flow or non flow of a game like that.

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Speaker 9: He's gonna find is to get the ball in the

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Speaker 9: basket and get to the free throw line. And it's

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Speaker 9: a it's really it's a great compliment to him. And

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Speaker 9: so you know, look, we saw it a little bit

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Speaker 9: in game seven of the of the finals. I mean

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Speaker 9: it was physical, there was a lot of switching, and

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Speaker 9: he ended up being our leading scorer in the finals.

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Speaker 9: But you know, we don't we don't want to see

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Speaker 9: a bunch of games where he's the leading scorer and

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Speaker 9: we lose. You know, we we we want him to

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Speaker 9: keep developing the acumen to be a great scorer, but

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Speaker 9: to be but to be a part of the team's

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Speaker 9: success and to you know, meld those ability, those individual

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Speaker 9: abilities with the the style that our that our team

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00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 9: has developed, which so many people have become smitten with.

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Speaker 2: Uh with the important caveat of no disrespect to rats

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Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle with us here on the Payless Slickers htlines

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Speaker 2: just a few more minutes. We appreciate the Pacers head

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Speaker 2: coach joined us here for a summer combo. This is

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Speaker 2: our first chat since really, I guess right after the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: and obviously the first big bit of news in the

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Speaker 2: offseason was Miles Turner joining the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: Were you as stunned?

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Speaker 2: Does it sounded like Kevin Pritchard was when he found

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Speaker 2: out that news.

873
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

874
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 9: I was surprised. I was surprised. But it's pretty clear

875
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 9: what happened. You know, Milwaukee found a way to come

876
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 9: up with enough cap space in a very short period

877
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 9: of time. It's my guess that they did all this.

878
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 9: You know, they did it by waving Lillard and stretching

879
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 9: him and all that kind of stuff created whatever it was,

880
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 9: twenty some million extra in space. And and I think

881
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 9: what I think what happened was, you know, they they

882
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 9: talked to Miles of the Agent or Miles the end

883
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 9: of agent and said, look, we have this offer. This

884
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 9: is a number, you know, presumably a number that you

885
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 9: guys are trying to get to. We need to know

886
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 9: that if we offer this, you guys are gonna take

887
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 9: it and you can't stop it, you know. And that's

888
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 9: that's a that's a frequent you know, a tactic of negotiation.

889
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 9: And so pretty clearly they they took they took the offer.

890
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 9: It's they're right to do it. Will certainly, miss Miles.

891
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 9: I know that there were a lot of there was

892
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 9: a lot of talk about, you know, some of the

893
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 9: some of the things that he said as he left,

894
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 9: But I just I just feel, look, we're going to

895
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 9: give Miles the benefit of the doubt on all that stuff.

896
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 9: The guy is the guy was a was a pacer

897
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 9: through and through for ten years. He lived and breathed

898
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 9: that he disregarded trade rumors, you know, when they when

899
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 9: they happened, he was all about. He was all about

900
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 9: in the end all the time. Sometimes things in the

901
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 9: business aspect of basketball because super dynamic and nuclear, and

902
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 9: they happen on a you know, on they turn on

903
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 9: a dime. But you know, everything that Kevin Pritchard said

904
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 9: is absolutely true. This this this franchise was was ready

905
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 9: to go as far to the tax as we needed

906
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 9: to keep him. But you know, things can change quickly.

907
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: They did.

908
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 9: He's moved on. It's a division rival, so there's always

909
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 9: gonna be plenty to talk about there. But Kevin and

910
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 9: Chad were able to acquire Jay Huff, who's certainly not

911
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 9: the experienced level mouse turner, is not the exact same

912
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 9: kind of player, but he can make threes, and he

913
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 9: can protect and protect the rim, and he can do

914
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 9: some other things that are strengths of his and so

915
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 9: we feel like he's a piece that can that can

916
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 9: work for us. We don't know exactly who's going to

917
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 9: start at five, but I've had seasons where I've had

918
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 9: three centers and pretty much consistently played three centers every game.

919
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 9: It was I think it was two thousand and thirteen

920
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 9: fourteen with the Dallas Mavericks. Sam Dallen Bear was our starter,

921
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 9: Dwan Blair and Brandon Wright played back up, and there

922
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 9: were way more games many There were way more games

923
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 9: than there weren't where all three of those guys played.

924
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 9: And so, you know, maybe the center position is more

925
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 9: of a Swiss army knife type thing. We'll have to see.

926
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 9: But we have we have Huff, we have Isaiah Jackson,

927
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 9: we have Wiseman. Tony Bradley's going to be in camp.

928
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 9: So there's four guys that are going to be slugging

929
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 9: it out for the you know, presumably three center spots.

930
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 9: So as we get into it, we'll see what's what.

931
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 9: But you know, nothing but love from from my perspective,

932
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 9: from on Miles Turner. I had a really nice, nice

933
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 9: conversation with him after, you know, after he made the

934
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 9: decision to leave, and what a lovable guy. So we'll

935
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 9: miss him.

936
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: Last one, coach, and again thank you for the time.

937
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we didn't get to see him late in that

938
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: playoff run due to injury, but certainly minutes now with

939
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: that second unit with Benedict going to the starting lineup

940
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: are there for a guy like Jarris Walker. How is

941
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: he doing health wise and where do you want to

942
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: see growth for him entering I believe his third season.

943
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, his health is good right now. You know that

944
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 9: that was a serious injury that he suffered in Game six,

945
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 9: And I think it's important to note that Jared's had

946
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 9: a very productive year. He played I think over fifteen

947
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 9: and a half minutes a game. You know, he played

948
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 9: very effectively during certain stretches of the playoffs. He was

949
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 9: a big factor in Game four at Milwaukee, where you know,

950
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 9: we were able to get ourselves in a position to

951
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 9: steal a road game. That was a that was a

952
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 9: big deal. And you know, he played well throughout the year.

953
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 9: And so the big things for him are going to

954
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 9: be conditioning, motor, toughness, rebounding defense, and in a real

955
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 9: high degree of understanding of the importance of possession of

956
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 9: the ball. And that's not just him, that's everybody. I think.

957
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 9: With what we're going into this year, you know we're

958
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 9: going to be without a.

959
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: Guy in Tyree.

960
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 9: Who's historically great with his ability to do amazing things

961
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 9: on the basketball floor, creating pace, scoring, getting the ball

962
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 9: to the rim, hitting floaters, throwing it ahead to teammates,

963
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 9: getting assists, and with the uage rate that he has.

964
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 9: His ability to have security with the ball and not

965
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 9: turn the ball over is like you know, has been

966
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 9: has been historic and so our team is going to

967
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 9: have to really develop an even greater understanding and appreciation

968
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 9: of the importance of possession. But in a year like

969
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 9: this that we have coming up, Jarus is a very

970
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 9: important guy because he can play multiple positions really including

971
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 9: point guard. I mean, you know, he handles the ball

972
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 9: that well, but I want I want to see him

973
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 9: be able to get a rebound at one end and

974
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 9: put on the burners and go coast to coast with

975
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 9: speed and attack the rim at the other I think

976
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 9: he has the ability to do that. So I know

977
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 9: he's working on those those that those things along with

978
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 9: a lot of other things. But it took him a

979
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 9: good two months before he was back on the court

980
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 9: going one hundred percent, and so, uh, it's going to

981
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 9: be an active end of the summer for him. But

982
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 9: you know, he's people should be excited. People should be

983
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 9: excited about Johnny Furfey. After watching him in the Summer League.

984
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 9: I think Furby is another guy. You know, he's he's

985
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 9: a lot like Ben Sheppard. He's a he's a he's

986
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 9: a seamless fit into our our system. He runs, he rebounds,

987
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 9: he passes it, he moves it. He's a great cutter.

988
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 9: He doesn't need the ball to be effective, you know.

989
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 9: And he's, uh, he's a lunch pale guy. Man. He's

990
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 9: he's going to work so and some of the stuff

991
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 9: that that he did in the Summer League, you know,

992
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 9: some of the dunks. You guys saw those pretty cool,

993
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 9: pretty pretty pretty awesome stuff. And so he's become a

994
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 9: fan favorite. And then we've got the two rookies. You know,

995
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 9: we've got Peter and and Jones. We like those guys

996
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 9: a lot. Both of them improved as the Summer League

997
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 9: went on. So a lot of opportunity, you know, a

998
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 9: lot of excitement from my perspective. We'll see what the

999
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 9: schedule shows tomorrow. The good news is on opening night,

1000
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 9: we at least we get Oklahoma City in a back

1001
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 9: to back. You know, they're getting they're getting their rings

1002
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 9: the night before, and so we'll have to try to

1003
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 9: figure out a way to take advantage of that.

1004
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 6: Last last one.

1005
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: Then again, we appreciate the time. What's left about a

1006
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: month ish to go in the off seasons or anything.

1007
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: You're looking forward to away from the floor before training

1008
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: camp starts up. I assume late September.

1009
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 9: Well, Abby Carlisle arrives tonight down here where we are,

1010
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 9: and she spent the summer taking some summer classes in

1011
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 9: New York City at NYU, and so she'll be down

1012
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 9: here for a week or so, and then we'll drive

1013
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 9: her down to uh I should say, up to Charlottesville,

1014
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 9: and we'll spend the time there and then eventually meander

1015
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 9: back to Indianapolis, where we're really looking forward to getting

1016
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 9: back and getting going. But yeah, it's it's been it's

1017
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 9: been quite a year. If you go back a full

1018
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 9: year to you know where we are now. So you know,

1019
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 9: we're mid August. You think about mid August twenty twenty four,

1020
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 9: and you know the way everybody looked at last season,

1021
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 9: you know, coming off the conference finals, there was anticipation,

1022
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 9: and then you know, we got into the season and

1023
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 9: then it was we were ten and fifteen and we

1024
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 9: were banged up, and you know, it was didn't seem

1025
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 9: to be a whole lot of good stuff happening. And

1026
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 9: then you know, we started to get healthy and and

1027
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 9: you know, Nemar came back and you know, we we

1028
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 9: went from there. We won three games on the on

1029
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 9: the road to to get to five hundred at Christmas,

1030
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 9: pretty much a similar thing we did in the previous year,

1031
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 9: and then a lot of great things happened. So this

1032
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 9: year is is another mystery at this point, but we're

1033
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 9: looking forward to put the beasts together.

1034
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: Well, we got this text during the convos said, please

1035
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: tell Rick this run inspired me and my group of

1036
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: friends to get back in the gym and start hooping again.

1037
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: So the inspiration is impacted the local men's leagues here

1038
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: in the great state of Indiana. Coach enjoyed the time

1039
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: with Abby Safe travels back up here a little bit

1040
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: later in September, and I greatly appreciate the time.

1041
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1042
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: Cheers, guys, stick care, Rick Carlisle right there on the

1043
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: Paylessliquers hotline, no disrespect to rats, and plenty of other

1044
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: takeaways we've got from that combo. We'll do it on

1045
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: the other side. It is the Fantom Morning.

1046
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 4: Good morning, welcome to your Houp day.

1047
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: Here along with James Boyd and Kevin Bowen, Mark Tichon,

1048
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Rickard. We're talking about the Indianapolis Colts. They'll

1049
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: have joint practices with the Packers tomorrow and then Saturday

1050
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: afternoon at pre season game and joining us now. Someone

1051
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: who is on the opposite end of that mark would

1052
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: be our guy Stephen Holder from ESPN, who covers the

1053
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: Colts as well, and he joins us on the Payless

1054
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Stickers hotline. Good morning, Steven Hole. Are you you've almost

1055
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: made it through training camp?

1056
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: We're almost there?

1057
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, where do I win? Freedom?

1058
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: Freedom?

1059
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 5: A quarterback that Jones and Anthony Richardson.

1060
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 4: That's what you want, right?

1061
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 10: And it's not even over, So I don't even we

1062
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 10: don't even get that. We don't even get the winner,

1063
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 10: the outcome, right, So anyway, hopefully we get it too.

1064
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: Will it be over if we talk to you next Wednesday?

1065
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 10: I want to say yes, I think it should be over,

1066
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 10: But I'm not so sure. They have done a great

1067
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 10: job of not anything about how they feel about this.

1068
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 10: I think that's commendable because it definitely suggests there's no

1069
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 10: favoritism or that this isn't leaning one way or another

1070
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 10: in someone's head. You know, they've definitely been more backwards

1071
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 10: to not do that. That's the coaching staff that is.

1072
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 10: Uh So I give them credit for that, But I

1073
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 10: think they have to have some idea. I mean, they

1074
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 10: practice every day, They sit around for hours and meet

1075
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 10: about how their team's performing, and go over the tape

1076
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 10: of practice every single day. You have to have some

1077
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 10: sense at this point of which way this is going

1078
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 10: if you're the coaching staff, and I think they do.

1079
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 10: I don't think they'll I don't know that they will

1080
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 10: tell us by this time next week, but I think

1081
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 10: they know.

1082
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: They must know. They have enough information, but by this

1083
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: point I think, okay.

1084
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: So when you say they should be over phrase that

1085
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: that is not necessarily because you think one has an

1086
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: overwhelming lead. It's more because August twentieth, quarterback competitions are

1087
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: largely unhealthy around the NFL.

1088
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly right. Not not that it should be over

1089
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 10: like duh, it's obvious.

1090
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: It's not obvious. I think.

1091
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 10: In fact, I mean, I think they're very different quarterbacks

1092
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 10: and they've had very different camps. So Daniel Jones is

1093
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 10: kind of who we thought he was, which is a

1094
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 10: guy who's gonna be more efficient than Anthony Richardson but

1095
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 10: certainly less explosive. And and maybe that's okay, right, I mean,

1096
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 10: that may be what they want. They may want the

1097
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 10: steadiness Anthony Richardson less. I think less up and down.

1098
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: For sure. It's been his best training camp, and I

1099
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: don't think it's close. However, Look, he's still who's who

1100
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 4: he is.

1101
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 10: Right, He's not gonna be He's never gonna be some

1102
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 10: seventy percent passer. That's just not in the cards for him.

1103
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 10: You know, you wouldn't say right now, right, So he's

1104
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 10: still gonna be that guy, but he's.

1105
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 4: Definitely gonna give you the explosiveness. I will say what

1106
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: I've said on every show.

1107
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 10: I had this epiphany the other day, and maybe this

1108
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 10: is obvious to people, but I'm just gonna stay it again.

1109
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 10: I think they get to the same place no matter

1110
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 10: who they play.

1111
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 4: I think this boils down to the rest of the team.

1112
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is, I think the

1113
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 10: outcome for both guys is gonna be largely the same.

1114
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 10: They'll just get there in different ways. And I'll leave

1115
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 10: you with this. Go back and look at their QBR

1116
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 10: rating from last year. I won't say identical. It's very telling,

1117
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 10: That's all I'm saying.

1118
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 7: So we've heard it here first on one on seventy

1119
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 7: five of the Fan that Stephen Holder is lobbying for

1120
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 7: Riley Leonard to start at quarterback, for the Colts to

1121
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 7: see something different because obviously the first two quarterbacks are

1122
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 7: just the same, you.

1123
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 3: Know version that's the root of Jason Bean.

1124
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 7: No oh, I forgot, Yes, Jason Bean and Ry Lennard

1125
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 7: talk here on this Wednesday morning.

1126
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 9: But on a.

1127
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 7: Serious note, Steven, when you look at these skill pusson players,

1128
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 7: and we've seen Ady Mitchell have some moments throughout this

1129
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 7: camp and you hear Reggie wayans to the arrows pointing up.

1130
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 7: What is the next step for you? Is it just

1131
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 7: seeing it on game days? Is the physicality?

1132
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 9: Like?

1133
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 7: What is it about Adie Mitchell that you need to

1134
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 7: be convinced a little bit more about? And I would

1135
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 7: say all of us to a degree need to be

1136
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 7: convinced about.

1137
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean he has to do it on Sunday,

1138
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 10: There's no question about that. If he has been notorious

1139
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 10: for not finishing plays, and whether that's because he is

1140
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 10: reluctant when it comes to the engaging in the contact.

1141
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 4: Or whether you know, whether that's a part of it

1142
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 4: or whether it's an execution thing. I think there's been

1143
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 4: some of both.

1144
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 10: I can't read his mind on the contact. But but

1145
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 10: if you if you look at it when there's when

1146
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 10: when catches are contested, he's not as aggressive, there's no

1147
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 10: question about that. And then there's really just the overall

1148
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 10: lack of concentration that we saw from him last year.

1149
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: I think back to the green Bay game.

1150
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 10: The green Bay game and Week two showed the entire

1151
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 10: gamut of eighty Mitchell's problems last year, which was a

1152
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 10: drop ball where he just turns and turns to run,

1153
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 10: he's wide open, turns to run before he.

1154
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: Catches the ball, So that's a lack of concentration.

1155
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 10: Then he has another one where he doesn't really attack

1156
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 10: the football in the air up on it, you know,

1157
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 10: And those are those are the things that you can't do.

1158
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 4: He has too much.

1159
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 10: Talent, but that talent will never be realized if he

1160
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 10: doesn't do all of the little things.

1161
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: It's in him. He can do it.

1162
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 10: But I think there's little things are gonna be what

1163
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 10: determines really the trajectory of his career. But man, the

1164
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 10: talent is they're salivating over it right now.

1165
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 4: Over there.

1166
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: I'll ask you the same question I asked Kevin and

1167
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: James a little while ago. Steven, what are you most

1168
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: interested in seeing other than the obvious quarterback battle this

1169
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: weekend against the Packers.

1170
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 10: Well, I would say I want to see how this

1171
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 10: secondary starts to come together. I mean, it's not coming

1172
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 10: together this weekend because the presdel isn't there, but you know,

1173
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 10: the Attricians has started to kick in there and they're

1174
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 10: gonna have to find some depths there. So guys that

1175
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 10: maybe we didn't plan on talking about, they're now going to.

1176
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 4: Have to prove something and show something. I don't know.

1177
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 10: Who's gonna be available come week one, but as of

1178
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 10: right now, you know, I think, you know, we'll see

1179
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 10: if Kenny Moore see what his status is. I don't

1180
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 10: think it's a long term thing, but but he's down

1181
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 10: right now.

1182
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 4: And then you've got two other corners Juju.

1183
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 8: Brins and and Jalan Johnson and Jaylan jonescuse me, and

1184
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 8: I just wonder where's the depth gonna come from, especially

1185
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 8: now that they've lost Justin Wally for the season. So

1186
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 8: that is the position that notoriously you have to tap

1187
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 8: into your depth and then and if the depth doesn't

1188
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 8: step up, it can literally lose you games. So they

1189
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 8: got to step up there and figure out what their

1190
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 8: pecking order is.

1191
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: I think Stephen Hiller's work over on ESPN ESPN dot com,

1192
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: he's want to see on the payloss Slickers hotline, Steven,

1193
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: it feels like on the areas of improvement lists, the

1194
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: Colts feel like they are improving defensively. And I think

1195
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: they'd also say they've improved at the pass catcher spot.

1196
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: Which one would you be more willing to bet on?

1197
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: Playing out in that manner?

1198
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: You more bullish on the pass catchers taking a step

1199
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: forward or the defense taking a step forward.

1200
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 10: I mean, I would say I like the pass catchers

1201
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 10: last year, so I don't I don't see the steps

1202
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 10: there being as big and and so this is not

1203
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 10: a knock on those guys. It's more I think the

1204
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 10: defense just had more room to grow and more need, frankly,

1205
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 10: to grow.

1206
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: And to improve.

1207
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 10: Uh, that defense we saw last year, I don't think

1208
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 10: we spent enough time talking about just how underwhelming it was.

1209
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: And you know, we can talk about.

1210
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 10: Some some accompanying factors like you know, the offense not

1211
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 10: staying on the field with the factor, all those kinds

1212
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 10: of things, but you know, personnel the factor. But but

1213
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 10: that's all part of it. The bottom line is they

1214
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 10: didn't get it done, and it was it was a

1215
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 10: much bigger part of their failure last year than I

1216
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 10: think we we want to, uh.

1217
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 4: You know, admit perhaps so.

1218
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 10: Anyway, I think that was reflected by the way they

1219
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 10: handled the off season. You know, he saw free agency

1220
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 10: big splashes on defense.

1221
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 4: And the draft.

1222
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 10: Certainly not the first pick, but you saw it in

1223
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 10: the following rounds, right with J. T. T.

1224
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: Twoy Malow I said that terribly. Who's pretty good at that?

1225
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: Is that? Right?

1226
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 10: Yeah? Anyway, I know how to say it. I just

1227
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 10: I just can't do it and with other people listening.

1228
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 10: And the Wally pick was obviously a suggestion that, look,

1229
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 10: they had to get better in the secondary as well,

1230
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 10: like free agency. So they admitted that and that's why

1231
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 10: they core the resources into the defense. They had to

1232
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 10: get better and they know they had to get better.

1233
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 10: And I actually do think that defense will have a

1234
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 10: lot to say about what their results are this year.

1235
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 10: If that defense is actually significantly better. The quarterback position

1236
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 10: matters a little bit less. I'm not saying it doesn't matter.

1237
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 10: It definitely matters, but they can make it matter a

1238
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 10: little less. So I'm interested to see just how lets

1239
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 10: that defense can produce. And I think the pass rush

1240
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 10: has to come through, absolutely has to come through.

1241
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Steven Holder. We appreciate you. We'll let you get back

1242
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: to practicing that name, and we'll talk to you again soon.

1243
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 4: All right, talk to you soon, guys,