1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from Baal Hartband and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: The question before us is what constitutes success. And in 4 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the case of Trump's meeting yesterday with Vladimir Zelensky with 5 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: European leaders, well you would argue that the deal with success, 6 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: but that's to somehow dismiss the very concept of what 7 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: it takes to get there. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, 8 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: good to be with You. Find everything over at Tony 9 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: Katz dot com. President Trump speaking about it this morning 10 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: on Fox and Friends. 11 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: President Putin said, no NATO, and you said, you know what, 12 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: We're just going to take that off the table. But 13 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: you did get President Putin to agree to NATO like protections. 14 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: So tell us about what does that entail. 15 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 4: Well, the war really started over NATO and Crimea, and 16 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: they wanted Crimea back. That was given not a shot 17 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: fired by President Obama. And perhaps the worst real estate 18 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: deal I've ever seen. There's been a couple of them, 19 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: I would say the guys in the Strip was a 20 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: pretty bad one too, given by Israel so they'd have peace. 21 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: So they gave away a big percentage of their roa 22 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: shoed front property, in order to that piece workout not 23 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: so good, and Crimea is the apple of Ukraine. I mean, 24 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 4: it's so beautiful. And Obama gave it away. Nobody ever 25 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: mentions that if I ever did that, the fake news 26 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: would be they would be writing about me day and 27 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: night for years. He gave it away, he demanded that 28 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: they let it go, and Russia came in and took it, 29 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: just took it like from a candy from a baby. 30 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 4: It was really Obama's really, I mean, that was pure 31 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: and simple, Obama's fault. What a terrible thing he did 32 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: to that country. And so they lost their heart, They 33 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: lost the heart and soul of the Ukraine fourteen years ago, 34 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 4: whatever it might be. And it was so unnecessary to 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 4: do that. And that's when it really began, when Obama 36 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: gave it away. And then. 37 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: I would argue, it's not that he gave it away, 38 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: it's that Russia took it. And Obama said, huh, I mean, 39 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: that's that's what happened. Didn't even he didn't say way, 40 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: hey you guys, or whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are 41 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: you doing here? Nope? Nope, he just went about pushing 42 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: whatever nonsense he was pushing at the time. I don't 43 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: even recall. It was all a bad dream. I'm hoping 44 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: we undo every part of it the possible. By the way, 45 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: he was President Trump's totally right about Israel two thousand 46 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: and five giving Gaza to the Palestinians, ripping Jews out 47 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: of their homes. They were screaming, they were crying, they 48 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: were begging. Don't do this happened. You cannot give land 49 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: to people who want to destroy you. As Palestinians then 50 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: voted for Hamas and the rest, as they say, is evil, 51 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: bloody history. Regardless of how things started with the Russians 52 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: and Ukraine, we're here now and what we have now 53 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: is Russians having seventy percent plus in areas of Donetsk, 54 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: in Lahansk, in Zaporgia and Kiersong. This land bridge to Crimea, 55 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: which allows this openness to the Black Sea and the 56 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: Sea of Azov. What is it that will get the 57 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Russians to stop. Well, this is the first conversation we've 58 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: ever had where the discussion of land came into play. 59 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: We saw that people were talking about it. We certainly 60 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: have heard the reporting that the Europeans have introduced this idea. 61 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: There is going to be a giving up of land 62 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 2: that's going to happen. But what is it that someone 63 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: gets for this? This is one of the things that 64 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: has been the back and forth conversation of will he 65 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: won't he? Meaning Trump and s you could argue of 66 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: European nations regarding this idea of a peacekeeping force. When 67 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: President Trump was asked about this in the Oval Office 68 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 2: meeting with Vladimir Zelenski, he said, well, that's what we're 69 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: going to discuss in the meeting meeting, the meeting with 70 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 2: Macron Maloney of Italy, Vandalayan of the European Commission, stub 71 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: of Finland, and people are like, why is the why 72 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: are the Finns in this meeting. 73 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 5: We might come from a small country, but we have 74 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: a long border with Russia over eight hundred miles, and 75 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 5: we of course have our own historical experience with Russia 76 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 5: from World War Two, the Winter War and the War 77 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 5: of Continuation. And if I look at the silver lining 78 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 5: of where we stand right now, we found a solution 79 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 5: in nineteen forty four, and I'm sure that we'll be 80 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: able to find a solution in twenty twenty five to 81 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 5: end Russia's War of aggression, find and get a lasting, 82 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 5: unjust peace. 83 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: That has to happen to people giving things up and 84 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: accepting things and putin giving things up and accepting things 85 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: that we were discussing whether or not this means a 86 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: peacekeeping force, What does that look like? What is the 87 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: purpose of that. We've already known that if we're going 88 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: to be engaged in control of rare minerals and we're 89 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: going to be getting mineral rights, and we're going to 90 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: be doing work in the area, we're going to protect 91 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: our people. Americans are going to protect American interests. And 92 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: there's just no possibility at all, in any way, shape 93 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: or form of accepting the idea of Russia engaging in 94 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: some kind of attack. It can't be a drone attack 95 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: on Kiev. If there are Americans working in Kiev. That's 96 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: not going to work. That can't be the way it 97 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: goes because Russia would have to pay a very very 98 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: steep price, because Trump would pay the steep price politically. 99 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh great, Now we've got American troops out there, are 100 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: American forces out there, American something out there. Because you 101 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: just wouldn't leave this thing alone. You had to stay 102 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: involved in it. And now Americans are getting killed. This 103 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: is all your fault. So you got to keep the 104 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: Russians from doing such a thing, and you got to 105 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: be very very rough on that. But if you put 106 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: Americans on the ground in any way, you are saying 107 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: that Americans are there to keep the peace. We are 108 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: the deterrent. Well, seems that European nations are okay with 109 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: being this deterrent as well, but they know that in 110 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: order for the deterrent to actually have more teeth, Ukraine 111 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: has to give something up to sweeten the deal. To 112 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: just be a deterrent for the sake of being the deterrent. 113 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Is the war footing that very obviously Europe never wanted. 114 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: Certainly America does a lot, but if some land goes 115 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: along with it, oh well, now we're just making a deal. Now, 116 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: all we're doing is making a deal. Do you know 117 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: anything about President Trump? You know that a deal can 118 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: always be made by the way he said as much. 119 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: He said the words in the meeting. 120 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 6: President's you say today, Russia must end this war which 121 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 6: itself started, President Trump, you say, President's. 122 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Lendsay, Ukraine can end. 123 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 6: The war with Russia almost immediately he wants to, which is. 124 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: Well I think that's true. 125 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: I think Phil, we're going to have a meeting. I 126 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: think everything works out well today. 127 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 4: We'll have a try lad and I think there will 128 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: be a reasonable chance of ending the war. 129 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: When we do that. 130 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 6: And is this the end of the road for American 131 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 6: support or Ukraine? Is today's meeting deal or Nodia? 132 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: I can never say that. It's never the end of 133 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: the road. 134 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 4: People are being killed and we want to stop that, 135 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: So I would not say it's the end of the road. 136 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: No, it's not the end of the road. I could 137 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: never say that it's deal or no deal. Why is that? Well, 138 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: we've been just talking about this now for years. If 139 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: you were part of the Morning show, you heard me 140 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: say this back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. If you're 141 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: new to the show, welcome, I'm Tony Katz. How are you. 142 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: There are two rules of trumpsm These are the two 143 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: rules of trump Ism. The first rule of trump Ism 144 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: is Trump wins. The second rule of trump Ism is 145 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: that a deal can always be made as long as 146 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: it adheres to the first rule of trump Ism. There's 147 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: always room for a deal booboo. There's always an opportunity 148 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: because any deal can be spun. If the deal works, 149 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: look what I did. If the deal doesn't work, look 150 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: what they did. I'm sorry. Are we not being honest 151 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: about what it is we're seeing, doing, experiencing and who 152 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: we're dealing with. And by the way, what would make 153 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: anybody think that a deal lasts forever. It's the weirdest 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: thing in the world where you have the political left 155 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: thinking that somehow there is a deal to be made 156 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: that lasts forever. Really, what they say is, well, we 157 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: gotta be tough with Russia. You're not being tough enough 158 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: with Russia. Yet no one, not a single progressive, has 159 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: advocated for sending in fifty thousand troops and shooting Russians 160 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: in the skull. And until they do, maybe they can 161 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: sit down and be quiet and let somebody else try 162 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: and get something done. If Trump can get putin to 163 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: accept less land and get Ukraine to give up some land, 164 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, it sucks, but that's going to 165 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: lead to the force, and that force is gonna spend 166 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: a lot of time in Ukraine for a lot of 167 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: years to come to keep Russia at bay, which is 168 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: exactly what Europe wants, which is why europe understanding that 169 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: the president is not going to move on the idea 170 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: of oh yeah, we'll just put American forces in there 171 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: like somehow this was nineteen ninety six, and we'll take 172 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: care of you all. Don't worry about it. Just go 173 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: back to hating us and not paying your fair share 174 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: into NATO. See what I did, I utilized their fair 175 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: share argument against them. Oh gosh, that felt so good. 176 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: We're not going back to that. The Europeans have figured 177 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: this out, you know, I just played the president of Finland. 178 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: Never forget that Finland wasn't even a member of NATO 179 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: until twenty twenty three. They for forever have stayed out 180 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: of NATO. Why eight hundred mile border? They literally don't 181 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: want to poke the bear. But seeing that Joe Biden 182 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: was incompetent, and what happens if you elect an American 183 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: president who isn't willing to do the hard work, incapable 184 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: like Joe Biden, you better be prepared yourself join NATO. 185 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah you might. You might need a friend, you might 186 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: need a buddy, you might need a pal. If Putin 187 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: is what we know him to be, an expansion of power. 188 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: So we have this meeting, We have the second meeting, 189 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: and what we have is the opportunity for this trilateral 190 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: bit of conversation. I still don't know how this isn't 191 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: going to lead to some type of American force mixed 192 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: in with the NATO force. The Ambassador to NATO, Matt Whittaker. 193 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 7: Ultimately, the American people have already given over three hundred 194 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 7: billion dollars to Ukraine to support its economy, to support 195 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 7: its war efforts. We are now have this mechanism that 196 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 7: I'm helping coordinate where American arms and ammunition are being 197 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 7: sold to our European NATO allies plus Canada, and those 198 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 7: are being provided to Ukraine. And we've so far we've 199 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 7: completed billions of dollars of those transactions. It does not 200 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 7: make America any less strategically strong, but it does help 201 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 7: you defend itself, and so that was an important step. 202 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 7: I think that's one of the reasons that Vladimir Putin's 203 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 7: at the table. You know, the security guarantees, those were 204 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 7: the topic yesterday, what each country was willing to do 205 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 7: and provide. Certainly European troops in Ukraine. Ultimately, after the 206 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 7: war ends and we have a peace deal is on 207 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 7: the table. President Trump has said that the United States 208 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 7: will be part of that coalition, but at the same 209 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 7: time he has not committed to American troops being there. 210 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 7: But there are certain capabilities, especially on the command of 211 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 7: control and other capabilities that only the United States of 212 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 7: America can provide. It's why most countries in the world 213 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 7: want to be our ally, and among other things, being 214 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 7: the largest economy and the strongest, most powerful military are 215 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 7: a couple other reasons. But you know, certainly the coalition, 216 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 7: the willing and the security guarantees are crucial for Ukraine. 217 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 7: And at the same time, Putin conceding that on Friday, 218 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 7: I think was a big step towards peace. 219 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: So where does this put us? I think the only 220 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: proper answer is we don't know. What we know is 221 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: these people on the left screaming Trump failed this, and 222 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: Trump failed that, and Trump's playing into Putin's hand, and 223 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: Putin's playing Trump like a puppet. These are the worst, 224 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: most awful, deft, ignorance people out there. They're not worthy 225 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: of your time, and you should call them damn fools, 226 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: including that cousin of yours. Do you know the cousin. 227 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: We all hate that cousin. We don't know where it's 228 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: going to lead. Here's what we know. For the first time, 229 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: there's a real conversation about what it's going to take 230 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: to make this stop. Not well, will give them this? 231 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: Not well, we'll give them that. And maybe it's just 232 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: a question of they've both gone on long enough dying 233 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: that they want this, they want it to end. Not 234 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure what it is that Putin actually wants. 235 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: What I know is yesterday's meetings mattered, they count, they 236 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: had value. Is it going to lead to something perfect? 237 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to lead to anything 238 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: that works. But it's all a step in a direction, 239 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: a far greater step than anything Biden never gave anything. 240 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: And we should be rational people and hope that it works, 241 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: and hope that it works in a way that does 242 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: not harm Americans, which is of course what we would want. 243 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: But if you ask me, do I think America is 244 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: going to be involved, I'll bet money on that one. 245 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.