1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from val Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Susie Wiles is now. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Denying the piece and what the context is in it. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Susie Willis is the chief of staff for Donald Trump, 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: and Susie Wiles did an interview eleven interviews with an 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: author by the name of Chris Whipple over at Vanity Fair. 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: The New York Times ran the story today how Susie 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: Wiles says of the team that Trump quote as an 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: alcoholics personality. 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: JD. 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: Vance has quote been a conspiracy theorist for a decade. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is quote an avowed. 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Ketamine user and an odd, odd duck whose actions were 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: not always rational and left for agast Russell vote who 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: runs off as a management budget is a quote right 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: wing absolute zealate. And Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, completely 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: whiffed quote unquote in handling the Epstein fileswhich of course 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: is true. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Why are you doing these interviews? 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: For what reason are you doing these interviews? No one's 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: denying that she did the interview. Susie Wilds is now 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: coming out to say. The article published early this morning, 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: that's by. 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: The New York Times, but really it's going to be 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: a vanity fair piece. 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me and the 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: finest president, white House, staff, and cabinet in history. Significant 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: context was disregarded, and much of what I and others 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 2: said about the team and the president was left out. 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Of the story. 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: I assume after reading it that this was done to 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: paint and overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative about the President's 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: and our team. The truth is, the Trump white House 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: has already accomplished more in eleven months than any other 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: president has accomplished in eight years, and that is due 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: to the unmatched leadership in a President Trump, for whom 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: I have been honored to work for the better part 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: of a decade. None of this will stop our relentless 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: pursuit of making America great again. And then you've got 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt jumping. 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: In on this. 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's the New York Times, it's vanity fair, 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: and people are gonna believe what they believe. It's it's 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: always a grain of saults. Here's what I think. I 46 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: think she did the interviews. I think things were said 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 2: because they get said, things were observed, because they get observed, 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: things get printed because there is a bias, and there's 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: also some truth in it, And then everybody looks the fool. 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: Why do the interview? And now there's this picture out 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: there of the team and it's Susie Wilds and it's 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Jadie Vance and it's Marco Rubio and Steven Miller's there, and. 53 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: People are like, oh, this photo goes hard. It really doesn't. 54 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't really go hard. It's it could 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: have been a better photo too. Why do the interview? 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: And for those of you who are saying Tony, this 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: is my question, why do the interview? Let me also 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: say that we agree. Why does anybody still go on 59 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: ABC with George Stephanopolis. We already know the guy's a 60 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: liar and a fraud costs the network sixteen million dollars, 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Yet Republicans will still do an interview. The question is why. 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: This is where people start to really feel that there's 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: a game and they're they're not invited, and the game 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 2: is all about money, and the game is all about prestige, 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: and the game is about not actually doing what needs 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: to be done to make America Great Again or anything else. 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: It's like when you hear about the Tucker Carlson Christmas Party. 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: A Tucker Carlson, he has this party in Nashville, and 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: who's there? Candas Owens is there, and Turning Point USA 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: is there, and this one's there and. 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: That one's there, and they're all hanging out. 72 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: They're all buddy buddy, and yet they get on social 73 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: media and they're all harping at each other great and 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: fire and everybody else is just clicking and giving them cash. 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: It's all game. Man. 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: The more Americans that feel that way, the worse off 77 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: we are as a society. But maybe we need to 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: see whether or not that's true so we can make 79 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: things better. I don't know why you do the interview. 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm not here to disparage Susie Wilds. I have no 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: reason to, but I don't understand why it's done to 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: begin with. As for what's sure or not, well, we're 83 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: gonna have to read the whole Vanity Fair piece and 84 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: maybe have to figure it out for ourselves. Meantime, healthcare 85 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: is on the table and Republicans have an idea, and 86 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: I hope it's not to give the Democrats what they want. 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: We want to lower premiums for all Americans. Second, we're 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: proposing options that actually expand access to all Americans. When 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: Democrats pass through disastrous healthcare law in twenty ten, they 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: promise that if you like your plan, you can keep it. 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: They promised choice, they promised you low costs. Not a 93 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: single one of those promises were true, not one. In fact, 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: healthcare premiums have risen over sixty percent since the implementation 95 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: of the Affordable Care Act. And I ask you this, 96 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: profitability from the insurance companies are six hundred percent greater 97 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: since Obamacare. Has your income increased six hundred percent? Ask 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: yourself that I know mine hasn't. 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: That's Representative Lisa McLain. She's a congresswoman. They're out of Michigan. 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: And this was the House Republicans saying, listen, we've got 101 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 2: a plan for healthcare. And really it's about the idea 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: of where the money goes. It's not a repeal of Obamacare. 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: It's not putting an end to the Affordable Care Act. 104 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: It's not actually the things that are necessary in order 105 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: to get back to a market ba system where costs 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: can go down Tony Katz, Tony Kats today. 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: Great to be here, Great to be with you. This 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: is just changing how the money flows. 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 2: That's what we're discussing here, and that's what they want 110 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: to get past. It isn't I don't think it's going 111 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: to the House. Republicans proposed healthcare plan with no extension 112 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: of the tax credits. That's how the Guardian tells the story. 113 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: We're talking about no subsidies for Obamacare, which means that 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: the price of health insurance repeat bon Obamacare is going 115 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: to go up. The problem is we were told that Obamacare, 116 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act, was going to make prices go down. 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: We also never admit to the fact that these subs 118 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: these were things that happened in COVID. And now Democrats say, well, 119 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: this is just the way it has to be. So 120 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: Obamacare doesn't lower any cost. Barack Obama's a liar and 121 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: a fraud. You don't get better care. We now offer 122 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: subsidies to people because of COVID, and now we have 123 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: to extend those subsidies, and if we don't, we're raising 124 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: healthcare costs. That's how the political left does math. That's 125 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: how they attack the citizenry. That's how much they hate you. 126 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: I do not care if the costs go up on Obamacare. 127 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: What I understand is a political reality, which is that 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: hurts the midterms. Oh I don't like it at all, 129 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: and yes, I'm willing to engage the fight on this. 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: But what I have said it is is I think 131 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: if Republicans are presented this option of extending Obamacare subsidies, 132 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: they will do it. Because we're the ones who said 133 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: from the very beginning in this whole fight, remember all 134 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: the shutdown and everything else, this was the Democrats trying 135 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: to keep the issue because they knew Trump was going 136 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: to steal it from them. 137 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Trump is a populist, not a conservative. 138 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: Of course they'll extend the tax credits, the subsidies for Obamacare. 139 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: Of course he will. It's no question, there's no doubt, 140 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: there's no debate. Are we all silly? We knew exactly 141 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: Democrats knew, and they couldn't have that that had to 143 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: be their subject. So now after caving on the shutdown, 144 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: now they're saying they won three years of Obamacare subsidies. 145 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: We need three years. How about three months? 146 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: Nope, how about a year, nope, two years, Nope, they're 147 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: being intransigent. 148 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: They're demanding three years. 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: So what has to happen? They have to be snapped into. 150 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: These Democrats have to learn that they are. 151 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: Going to lose. The problem is they don't care if 152 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: they lose. 153 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: They want you to believe that the real issue here 154 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: is that healthcare premiums will go up on millions of 155 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Americans twenty two million Americans as reported who purchase their 156 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: coverage through ACA Marketplace using these tax credits. 157 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: The reality is they don't care. 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: They're all or nothing approach shows it. It is very 159 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: much a terroristic thought process. 160 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: If we get what we want, we win. If we 161 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: don't get what we want, we win. Either way. 162 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: We want to hurt the other guy more than we 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: want to help anybody. That's who Chuck Schumer and Akeem 164 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: Jeffries are. And I favor them losing. I favor them 165 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: getting broken their strangleholds. 166 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: This nonsense. I favorite being ripped apart. 167 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: And then Republicans can offer here, here's an opportunity to 168 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: keep costs low. 169 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Why won't Democrats go. 170 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: For this and make them explain why they can't think 171 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: of something else, anything else? Now This has been the 172 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: argument for Republicans. Why can't you think of anything else. 173 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: It's been fifteen years of freaking Obamacare and Republicans have 174 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: had zero thoughts on what else to do. 175 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: Just let it go. It was all just talk and 176 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: nothing of substance. 177 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: So now there is this idea here regarding how you 178 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: change the money flows. It's a one hundred page package 179 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: focusing on enhancing access to employer sponsored health insurance plans. 180 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: They want to put the screws who are known as 181 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: pharmacy benefit managers PBMs. Now I'm not an expert on 182 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: this one, but this has been a lot of conversation 183 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: whether or not the pharmacy benefit manager is driving costs up, 184 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: or whether or not this is just a function of 185 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: the market, whether or not this type of management is 186 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: really getting people drugs at the right price, are really 187 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: interfering with what costs can be. So Republicans want to 188 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: expand access that would allow small businesses and self employed 189 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: individuals to band together and purchase health coverage. I'm a 190 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: huge believer in this. There was a whole conversation years 191 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: ago about selling across state lines market based solutions. 192 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely in favor of that. 193 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Right. The argument is is that if small people can 194 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: band together and create larger pools, larger pools create decreased 195 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: risk or creates lower costs, better value makes perfect sense. 196 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: What the critic will tell you is that it's not 197 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: as good a coverage and then what's required under the 198 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act. To me, that's not even an argument. 199 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: What do I care what's required under the ACA. I 200 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: care that people who want the insurance and here's what's 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: offered and here's the price, can make a decision of 202 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: what they get. I do not favor government force and 203 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: government run healthcare. They can't do it. Haven't we proven 204 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: they can't do it. They told us if you like 205 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: your doctor, keep your doctor. If you like your plan, 206 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: you can keep your plan. 207 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: They lied, They lied. 208 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: So the Republican proposal requires more data from pharmacy benefit 209 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: managers to help control drug costs. The critics say that 210 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: those managers pad the bottom lines and make it more 211 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: difficult for independent pharmacists to survive. Now, whether we're talking 212 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: about independent pharmacist or we're talking about larg scale companies 213 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: like CBS, the real question is does the PBM get 214 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: in the way cost wise of opportunity. 215 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: And also remember we have. 216 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: To say to ourselves we're discussing insurance and not care. 217 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: These are two very very different things. 218 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking about the cost of the insurance, 219 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: the cost of being able to see the doctor. Now 220 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: what the care is, and the actual doctor itself, well, 221 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: that person has to get paid. As far as I'm concerned, 222 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: the way the left sees it, the doctor should be 223 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: a slave. If you believe in universal health care, you 224 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: believe in slavery for doctors and nurses. If you believe 225 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: that healthcare is a right, then the person who wants 226 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: the healthcare is allowed to access at any time, which 227 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: means somebody has to provide them the care because they 228 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: can't provide their own care, which means the doctor is 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: now a slave to the state. The nurse is now 230 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: a slave to the state. I absolutely oppose this as 231 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: a matter of fact. How can anybody possibly be in 232 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: favor of it if you've never thought about it that 233 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: way before. 234 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Let's go over it again real quickly. 235 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: If healthcare is a right, as people like Bernie Sanders 236 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: so foolishly and ignorantly say it, then again, Bernie Sanders 237 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: is a guy who looks at sixteen Jews killed in 238 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: Ahonka celebration in Australia and says we have. 239 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: To be aware of Islamophobia. No, no, we. 240 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: Have to stop Alamis from coming into our country or 241 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: any country. But Bertie Sanders is a special kind of 242 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: calmi stupid. If you believe that healthcare is a right, 243 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: a right can be exercised at any moment the right 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: chooses to be exercised. If the freeze and freedom of 245 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: speech is the right to free speech, I'm allowed to 246 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: get on the radio and say what it is that 247 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,359 Speaker 2: I will and even I have certain rules of regulations 248 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: today need to follow, but that's the right. If I 249 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: have the right to keep in bare arms, I can 250 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: have my firearm on my hip. But if healthcare is 251 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: the right, that means any time I choose to see 252 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: the doctor. I woke up today with the cold. All 253 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: the throat's bothering me. I'm chilly. This kid is either 254 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: going to go away in the next hour or I'm 255 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: gonna be down for the count for like four days. 256 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Like it's one of those like you just know where 257 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: it's at. 258 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: You feel it in the head, you feel it in 259 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: the throat, you just know you're just a touch uncomfortable, 260 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: and it's at that moment this thing's going to just dissipate, 261 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: or this thing is going to turn you into the 262 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: fetal position while you moan for your mother. Which is 263 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: a weird thing to say on radio, and I should 264 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: never have. 265 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: Said such a thing. But I have a cult if I. 266 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: Now say I have to see a doctor, and it's 267 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: a right. The doctor has to see me right now. 268 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. 269 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't have to make appointments. No no, no, there's 270 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: no waiting. It's my rights. Healthcare is a right. I 271 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: get to see the doctor right now. The doctor must 272 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: appear before me. And why do I have to go 273 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: to an office to exercise my rights? My rights exist 274 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: where I am. The doctor has to come to me. 275 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: The doctor, therefore, is a slave to the state. And 276 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: any other conversation other than well, of course the doctor 277 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: or the nurse is a slave is a lie. I 278 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: challenge any progressive anywhere, at any time. If healthcare is 279 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: a right, the doctor or nurse or healthcare. 280 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Practitioner, we can call it. 281 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: Is a slave to the state, moving at the state's 282 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: whims as it is desired and. 283 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: As it is mandated. 284 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: Now you heard me say, well, wait a second, Tony, 285 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: you said you have the right. You'll note that I'm 286 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: talking about the state making the decision. 287 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: Because you're never gonna get to see the doctor. 288 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: When you want to see the doctor, you're gonna have 289 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: to put your name on a list, because even though 290 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: the doctor and the nurse is indeed a slave to 291 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: the state, the doctor can't see everybody all the time. 292 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: So therefore you have to be on a list. Now. 293 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: If you know somebody important, your name's higher up on 294 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: the list. If you don't know anybody, your name's lowered 295 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: down on the list. If you made a donation, you're 296 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: higher up on the list. If you didn't make a donation, 297 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: you're lowered down on the list. Best of luck, Best 298 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: of luck. In the Bernie Sanders of Costume Cortes progressive 299 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: hellscape that is their universal healthcare, Obamacare is nothing more 300 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: than the than the lead in it's the gateway drug 301 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: to this and it already doesn't work. And these people 302 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 2: answer with, well, you see we need to do is 303 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: even more we need we need just full on universal 304 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: health care. Obamacare was just just a half measure. It 305 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: works in Scandinavian countries, not one hundred percent. And those 306 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: areuch much much smaller populations. You gotta be honest about 307 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: this stuff. They're smaller populations, smaller land masses, different concepts 308 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: and philosophies. 309 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: Me. 310 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: I like the open market, and I like having companies 311 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: that go out there and innovate and create. I like 312 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: being able to shop for a doctor that suits my needs, 313 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: not somebody who is just you know, uh, written in 314 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: to me? And and and what was it prescribed to me? 315 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: What's the word I'm looking for directed to me? Whatever 316 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: it is that a government does forced upon me, even 317 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: better by some government bureaucrat SCHMO who doesn't care about 318 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: my specific needs. I favor changes, and certainly I have 319 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: no problem with changing how the money flows. Instead of 320 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: going to one place, it goes to the people to 321 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: make decisions. 322 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: That I have no problem with saying. 323 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: That, you know what, this Affordable Care Act doesn't work, 324 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: which is really what needs to be said. 325 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: It doesn't work, and it needs to be broken. 326 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: What Democrats are hoping for is that Republicans will be 327 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: too scared to see insurance rates go up, even though 328 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: they're not going up. The subsidy that exists because of 329 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: COVID is going away, but Democrats, being frauds, are saying 330 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: that the cost is going up. 331 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: I would like to see it broken. 332 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to see the expansion or the extension 333 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: of Obamacare subsidies. Let's try something different and see how 334 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: it works. I believe in markets, I always have, because 335 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: it's the only thing that's actually ever worked. 336 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: Is anything perfect? My gosh, nothing is perfect. 337 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: But I've seen what these fools think that they can 338 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: create out of whole cloth, as if somehow they have 339 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: been touched by the Lord with some secret knowledge on 340 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: how to do these things and know they can't do it. 341 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: All they can do is create a few elites and 342 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: then everybody else suffers, which is what Obamacare did. 343 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: End of list. Obamacare failed. 344 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: So what we really should be focused on is ripping 345 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: it out by the roots. I'm Tony Kats. So it's 346 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: a fight in Mexico City. Oh and it wasn't just 347 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: some street fight, No, it's the lawmakers. And of course 348 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: what's a good fight without some serious hair pulling? 349 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: Huh ha. 350 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: Oh, good Lord, Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, Good to 351 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: be here, Good to be with you. 352 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: I have you not. 353 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: Yet figured out why this took place. I was trying 354 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 2: to find the story. 355 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: All I could find was. 356 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: The video of it, and the Fox News video was 357 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: nuts because here's this guy. He's sitting and he's like 358 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: at a table like a podium. He's kind of getting 359 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: pushed forward and there are these women behind them. 360 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: And they're like screaming and yelling at each other. 361 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: And the next thing you know, they start grabbing hair 362 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: and they're they're like like snashing their teeth, and this 363 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: is the music. I swear to you, I couldn't make 364 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: this up if I wanted to. This is the music 365 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: playing behind that scene. Oh, she throws an elbow right 366 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: into the fat woman's gut. The fat woman hits her 367 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: in the head, and now are fighting at all. Oh, 368 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: she's grabbing the hair of the fat woman and the 369 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: fat grabbing something ELO's hair and the guy is like, lady, lady, 370 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: I should have worn my other pants. 371 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: I swear to you, that was the music. 372 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it, like, oh, this is somebody has 373 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: a sense of humor right there. As the story goes it, 374 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: the fight broke out. During this fight, the women from 375 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: the National Action Party, which is known as p AN 376 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: they approached the main podium and protest against the rule 377 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: they allegedly had been broken, or they alleged had been 378 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: broken by the Leftist party, which has a majority of 379 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: the legislature and involved reforming city government transparency oversight. 380 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: And next thing you know, they're slapping. And there's the 381 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: whole the whole. 382 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: Thing for everything our our lawmakers don't we don't really 383 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: get to this. We've had confrontations and we've had name calling, 384 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: and we've. 385 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Had all sorts of things. 386 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: It hasn't gotten to the level yet of fistfight. I'm 387 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: not saying that it won't. I'm not saying that I 388 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: want it. I'm simply saying it hasn't gotten there yet. 389 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: Then there is the story of Ukraine. 390 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Now it was interesting. So this was over in the UK. 391 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: This is. 392 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: Their military chief. I believe his name is Richard knighton 393 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: k and I G H. 394 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: T O N sons and daughters, colleagues, veterans will all 395 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 4: have a part to play, to build, to serve, and 396 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: if necessary, to fight, and more families who know what 397 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 4: sacrifice for our nation means. That's why it's so important 398 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: that we do explain the changing threat and the need 399 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: to stay ahead of it. For three decades, many did 400 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: not have to think about the armed forces. Peace was stable, 401 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: conflict was distant. But that is no longer true. I'll 402 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 4: argue that the situation is more dangerous than I have 403 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: known during my career, and the price of peace is rising. 404 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: I was starting to hear it, fascinated to hear it, 405 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: because this is a conversation about Russia. Now, if I 406 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: remember this right, if I have this right, this clip, 407 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: although it just came across from my feed today, is 408 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: this clip from twenty twenty two. No, this clip is now. 409 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: In either case, I think for a lot of people 410 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: it's the first time they've heard it, and it's it's rare. 411 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: It's very very rare to hear such absolute honesty. And 412 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: it goes along the lines of a conversation that took 413 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: place in the Washington Times where it is said that Zelenski, 414 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: the President of Ukraine, has dropped his bid for Ukraine 415 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: to join NATO. Now that's massive. That's the concession that 416 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: lets you know that a peace deal is actually taking place. 417 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Ukraine likes the peace deal. I am 418 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: saying that them stating we're not going to try and 419 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: join NATO. Is the key concession is the thing that 420 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: Russia wanted. 421 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: Okay, they also want the land, but. 422 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: Very much so what they wanted, and in a major way, 423 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin gets to say I won, Russia won. And 424 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: the recognition that if this was a post with two 425 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: years ago, post recently I think now I'm going back 426 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: over and trying to look at some data. 427 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: It's a recent post. 428 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: Where the UK is admitting that Russia is a threat 429 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: and the price is going to be high and we 430 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: need need to have our eyes on this. That is 431 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: extremely important. And the recognition that Russia is indeed the aggressor. 432 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: I get that there are people all across the American 433 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: right who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine. We don't 434 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: support these people, Vladimir. Vladimir's Alenski is terrible. I don't 435 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: disagree that Ukraine has a very screwed up government, and 436 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: I am I'm not angry. No wait, actually I'm incredibly 437 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: angry that our dollars went to Ukraine, not for bullets 438 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: and not for guns, but for somebody to get health 439 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: benefits or a pension. Money, stolen money taken for those 440 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: kinds of things, and not only to help the Ukrainians 441 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: fight the Russians and obtain their freedom. It's reprehensible. Everything 442 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: that happened in the Biden administration is disgusting and despicable. 443 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: But then again, so is Joe Biden. If you want 444 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: to go now prosecute the people who stole from the 445 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: American people, the Ukrainians who stole from Americans and stole 446 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: their money, their tax dollars to help. 447 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: Them, I'm cool with that. 448 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: But I've always favored helping Ukraine in this fight against 449 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: the Russians because the Russians are the enemy. Vladimir Putin's 450 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: the enemy. And I never was able to do a math. 451 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: My brother, the good doctor Katz, would ask me this often, 452 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: what is the argument. 453 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: For Russia winning? 454 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: How does anybody My brother's a conservative, like I am 455 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: a little different here and there, how what is their 456 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: argument for allowing Russia success? And I said, I don't know. 457 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: I have never been able to understand it. Because the 458 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: Ukrainian government is terrible doesn't mean that the Ukrainian people 459 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: are terrible. 460 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: And the argument of. 461 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: This is not our fight is to say Russia can 462 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: advance at will. And if Russia can advance at will 463 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: they will advance on a NATO nation, and then it 464 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: will be our fight unless somehow these people are making 465 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: an argument that they shouldn't agree to, or abide by, 466 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: or honor their NATO agreements, which is of course insane. 467 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: You want to do damage to the US the world over, 468 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 2: don't honor your NATO agreements. Oh it was cute on paper, 469 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: but when the time came, we were like, ah, we're busy. 470 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: It isn't how it works, that's not how our word works. 471 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: And Russian aggression isn't good for anybody. Russian aggression doesn't 472 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: lead to more trade. Russian aggression doesn't lead to more 473 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: financial capability. Russian aggression doesn't lead to a lower oil price. 474 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't. 475 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: There's no economic value to Russian aggression zero. It leads 476 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: to subjugated people, starvation and worse. So it has to 477 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: be thwarted. So I was happy to hear this military 478 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: commander engaged this way. But when you see that Zelenski 479 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: has said, yeah, we're not going to join, that's the 480 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: move that lets. 481 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: You know that a piece deal is possible. Now will 482 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: it come? 483 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: I argue yes, and it's going to come in a 484 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: very very staged fragile approach. 485 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Landing. 486 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: I should say no, it's a staged, fragile approach that 487 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: has a very very precarious landing. 488 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be a deal to say we've got 489 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: a deal. 490 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody believes that the Russians are going 491 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: to honor by bye deal. I just don't think there's 492 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: any way anybody believes that. I don't not at all. 493 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: If we're betting, if you and I are sitting on 494 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: the bar stool having a bourbon betting, by the way, 495 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: we you and I should be sitting on a barstool, 496 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: join me for a bourbon. 497 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: January twenty fourth, Trump one year later. 498 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: The highs, the lows, and how we win the midterms. 499 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a huge gallup, great time where your 500 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: red tie. It's gonna be spectacular. But I'm telling you, 501 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: I'm so digging in on the midterms right now. I 502 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: have got a series of theories that I'm gonna bring 503 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: you about how we do this, and some of it's 504 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: gonna seem very off the wall, very off the wall. 505 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: And I'm also gonna dig it on too, whether or 506 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: not the right is divided and what it means to 507 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: have a coalition, What is it that actually got us 508 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: a victory? And how does one engage in some level 509 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: of replication? Can one engage in some level of replication? 510 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: That's January twenty fourth tickets dot tonicats dot com. Tickets 511 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: dot tonicats dot com. Trump one year later, The highs, 512 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: the lows, and how we win the midterms A red 513 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: tie gallot. It's gonna be so good. Tickets to tony 514 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: kats dot com, presented by Pa Jewelers, Premiere Arms and 515 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: Defiancebeef dot Com. Great people, great sponsors. You're gonna love it. 516 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: The food, the bourbot everything. So it's you and Ie 517 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: hitting on a barstool. We're betting about the Russians and 518 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: this deal. I say three years in the under. Three 519 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: years and I'm taking the under. You tell me what 520 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: you're taking. That's how long the piece will last. And 521 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: then they will start making moves on other pieces of land. 522 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: They will say, well, no, we really need these other 523 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: eighty two square miles of Japortia. We actually need these 524 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy two square kilometers. They'll say kilometers 525 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: of Lahomsk It's coming. They will start engaging some encroachment 526 00:30:52,600 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: on areas in the Baltics. They're the Russians. They are 527 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 2: interested in expansion. They have only expansion of desires. You 528 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: have to be Tucker Carlson dope to think that they're 529 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: just happy with their borders as is. 530 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: There is no truth in that. There never was. 531 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: No truth in that at all, none, zero, less than zero. Ridiculous. 532 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Russian supermarkets 533 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: are better than American supermarkets. Sure, okay, okay, Provta Carlson, 534 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: whatever it is you want to tell me. Yeah, three years, 535 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: and I think everybody knows it. But for Trump, I 536 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: always remember the first rule of trump Ism is Trump wins. 537 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: And the second rule of trump Ism is that a 538 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: deal can always be made as long as it adheres 539 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: to the first rule of trump Ism. 540 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: And this is the deal I brought you peace. You're welcome. 541 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: Did what I said I was gonna do. You know, 542 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: it's never what happened if I was president. Well that's 543 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: what he's gonna say, I do, so he's gonna be 544 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: able to say deal and walk away from that three years. 545 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: That's my take. 546 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: But it's Ukraine's saying we're not looking at NATO, which 547 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: by the way, they can't be a NATO nation. We're 548 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: not looking at NATO. That is how you know that 549 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: the deal is a very, very possible. This is Tony 550 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: Katz Today. Can someone explain to me how the scams work? 551 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: The Facebook scams? How do they work? Tony Katz, Tony 552 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: Kats Today. 553 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Now it's not your radio. 554 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning. I'm like, oh, I have 555 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: a cold. This is this is not what I wanted. 556 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: I ask about the scam because I was looking up. 557 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: I was looking for a car. If you know me 558 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: at all, you know, I. 559 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: Get into these these kinds of moments, and I saw something. 560 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: It didn't make any sense. It was very it was 561 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: a large scale suv. It's a rather good price and 562 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: insanely good price. I'm like, okay, it doesn't make any sense. 563 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: And so I reached out on Facebook because I utilized 564 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: Facebook marketplace people who know. 565 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Me all the time. 566 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, so, explain what the story here is? Do 567 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: you have service records? I go through the process because 568 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: I never believe that anything as a scam at first, 569 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm always willing to ask the question. And the response 570 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: was well, for more information, email us or look. 571 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: Us up online or give us a call, and it 572 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: was like an Alabama area code. And they don't give me. 573 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: They don't give me a website. 574 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: They give me an email and info at kind of thing, 575 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: and then it's, you know, a phone number. And I 576 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, it's a scam. Tell me how 577 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: it works. I wrote them, explain to me how this works. 578 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: My wife was trying to explain it to me, and 579 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: she said to me, well, people will see a price 580 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: and be like, ooh, I want that price, and then 581 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: they'll reach out and then they'll make a phone call, 582 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: let's send an email that get all excited about it, 583 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: and then they'll send this person they've never met before, 584 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: like a down payment for five grand or something like that, 585 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: and then the car never comes and their money's been stolen. 586 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: That's it. And I said, that's impossible. 587 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: Nobody is sending somebody they don't know five grand for 588 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: a car they never saw. 589 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: That's impossible. 590 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: And then she reminded me of Nigerian princes and I said, okay, okay, okay, 591 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 2: all right, that's a Nigerian prince, right, that's a long con. 592 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: They're giving somebody five thousand dollars for a car they 593 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: never saw. That's the whole scam. Be too good to 594 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 2: be true. Somebody thinks they're the only person getting the 595 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 2: deal of the century, and. 596 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: They don't buy. They don't understand what's happening. 597 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 2: Now, as we've discussed, no one believes the con more 598 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: than the mark, right, That's what a confidence man does. 599 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Build your confidence. 600 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 2: People believe they're getting a deal and they let all 601 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: reason go out the window. 602 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: I just can't believe it that's true. I can't believe 603 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: that's the way it works. I can't believe it works. 604 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 2: Can't It's impossible to me, impossible for me to believe 605 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: that that works. I'm in many ways, I'm so mortified 606 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 2: by it. 607 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: Now. 608 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I want to find the scammers. 609 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: I want them in prison cells that are two feet 610 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: by two feet. Honestly, we should seriously consider torture. I 611 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: feel the same way about hackers. 612 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: People fall for this. 613 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: They Is it a function of age or is it 614 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 2: a function of something else? What is it within the 615 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: human mind, the human spirit that makes one believe the 616 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: thing that clearly is not to be believable. Clearly, I mean, 617 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: I guess it's the same reason why people gamble, because 618 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 2: they're the ones who are gonna get lucky. Yes, find 619 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: everything at tonycats dot com tomorrow. 620 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Everyone, take care.