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Speaker 1: Bang bo Guy Ralphord on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WYBC. I wasn't here last week. It's

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Speaker 3: of the microphone. We were preempted last week by the

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Speaker 3: IU football game. And I gotta tell you I always

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Speaker 3: I get preempted for whatever reason, and I always say,

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Speaker 3: There are important things going on in the world of

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Speaker 3: At the same time, we were preempted because of a

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Speaker 3: of interesting things to talk about what I've posted about

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Speaker 3: But it's something that I talked about a lot today

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Guy, love your show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks brother.

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Speaker 5: You know WIBC everything you're doing. I got a question.

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Speaker 3: It was throwing a Molotov cocktail onto the roof of

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent they are. And I take no satisfaction

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Speaker 3: And if some kid playing a prank puts me in

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Speaker 3: What are the legalities. Let's say they haven't broken into

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Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: This show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'll tell you what. Let's take a

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Speaker 3: call here. We may make this a short segment and

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Speaker 3: get back on the schedule for a little bit here

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Speaker 3: since I keep blowing past our brakes. But let's go

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Speaker 3: to the phone line and Wes has a call. Wes,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Hello, Yes, sir, what

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Speaker 3: you got So?

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Speaker 6: You've been talking about unlawful entry. Yes, I've seen a

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Speaker 6: lot of YouTube videos where police officers are trying to

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Speaker 6: prevent people from closing the door or forcing themselves in

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Speaker 6: without an actual warrant, and I am wondering if that

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Speaker 6: consists of unlawful entry and what the consequences might be

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Speaker 6: if something God forsaken.

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Speaker 3: Like a so a police officer unlawfully. So let me

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Speaker 3: make sure I understand your question, Wesson's, because I think

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Speaker 3: it's a really, really good one. If what happens, what

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Speaker 3: are you justified in doing if a police officer is

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Speaker 3: unlawfully entering your home? Correct? Okay, great question, fabulous question.

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Speaker 3: This law changed dramatically in oh gosh, I want to

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Speaker 3: say about two thousand and seventeen, maybe eighteen, And this

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Speaker 3: arose out of a case called Barnes versus State. And

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Speaker 3: in the Barnes versus State case, Missus Barnes had called

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Speaker 3: nine one one because she and her husband were fighting,

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Speaker 3: and she called nine one one. However, the call was

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Speaker 3: interrupted and apparently someone had taken the phone away from

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Speaker 3: her and police though had the address. So police show

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Speaker 3: up to the residents. Mister Barne Barnes is out in

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Speaker 3: the yard and when the police pull up, he says, hey,

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Speaker 3: it's okay, guys, it's all great. Uh, we just had

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Speaker 3: a fight. She's fine, I'm fine. You can go on

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Speaker 3: about your evening. And the cop said, oh, no, we

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Speaker 3: need to talk to your wife because she called nine

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Speaker 3: to one one and the call got interrupted. Mister Barnes said, well,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to my house without a warrant, and

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Speaker 3: they said, we don't need a warrant. It's what we

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Speaker 3: call exigence circlemstances. And I won't give you a whole

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Speaker 3: tutorial on that, but basically, if police reasonably believe that

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Speaker 3: someone in a home is in need of immediate assistance,

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Speaker 3: they can go into that home without a warrant. It's

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Speaker 3: an exception to the warrant requirement called exigen circumstances. And

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Speaker 3: there are other exigen circumstances like someone destroying evidence, but

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Speaker 3: we'll leave that there for now. And mister Barnes said, oh, no,

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Speaker 3: you know she's not need of any assistant. She didn't

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Speaker 3: tell you she needed assistance. You're not going to my

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Speaker 3: house without a warrant. And the cops said, yes, we are,

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Speaker 3: and so mister Barnes went on in the house. Cops

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Speaker 3: tried to follow him into the house. The first cop

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Speaker 3: coming through the door, mister Barnes put his hands on

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Speaker 3: pushed him back out the door, and he goes to

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Speaker 3: jail for a battery on a police officer, and it

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Speaker 3: goes up to the Hada Court of Appeals, and the

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Speaker 3: whole argument was about whether police officers really needed a

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Speaker 3: warrant or not. And this goes directly to Wes's question

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Speaker 3: do they need a wark? Because if they needed a warrant,

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Speaker 3: they didn't have a warrant and entering the home was unlawful,

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Speaker 3: and you can prevent an unlawful entry into your home

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Speaker 3: in this case with reasonable force, which is pushing the

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Speaker 3: cop back out the door. But the Court of Appeals

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Speaker 3: opinion focused totally on the warrant requirement. Do they really

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Speaker 3: need a warn or did they not? They didn't need

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Speaker 3: a warrant, it was lawful. If they didn't need a

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Speaker 3: warrant didn't have one, that it was unlawful, and they said, oh,

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Speaker 3: it was probably lawful because up to the Indiana Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Indiana Supreme Court comes out with a new rule and says,

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Speaker 3: you know what, even if a police officer is entering

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Speaker 3: your home unlawfully, you can't use force against them. We're

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Speaker 3: coming out with a new rule. This isn't in the

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Speaker 3: self defense statute passed by the legislature. We're ruling this

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Speaker 3: way as a court, and we want to cut down

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Speaker 3: on violence against police officers. So you can no longer

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Speaker 3: put your hands on a police officer, use force against

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Speaker 3: a police officer, even if they're unlawfully entering your home.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people got really upset by that.

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Speaker 3: The Attorney General's Office at the time who actually just

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Speaker 3: won the case because they were supporting the conviction, came

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Speaker 3: back and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, We didn't ask you

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Speaker 3: to go that far, and asked for a rehearing, and

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court had a rehearing. On rehearing, Supreme Court said, no,

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Speaker 3: we meant what we said. We want to cut down

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Speaker 3: on violence against police officers. So it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 3: a copy is even entering your home illegally. You can't

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Speaker 3: put your hands on a police officer. You can't use

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Speaker 3: force against a police officer. And if the General Assembly

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Speaker 3: doesn't like it, they can change the self defense statue.

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Speaker 3: So guess what the General Assembly did the very next session.

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Speaker 3: They changed the self defense statue and they added a

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Speaker 3: whole section of section I thirty five forty one three

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Speaker 3: two I, and it talks about use of force against

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Speaker 3: a public servant quote unquote, which is defined as a state, local,

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Speaker 3: or federal police officer. And it says, you know what,

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Speaker 3: the rules of self defense self defense do apply against

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Speaker 3: a police officer. And if a police officer is acting

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Speaker 3: unlawfully and not fulfilling their official duties, or either one

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Speaker 3: not acting lawfully or not fulfilling their official duties, and

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Speaker 3: reasonable force, not deadly force, but reasonable force is necessary

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Speaker 3: to prevent them from entering your home. In Indiana, that's

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Speaker 3: now justified. And we have a Court of Appeals decision

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Speaker 3: called Coupoloh versus State where a DNR officer came to

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Speaker 3: interrogate a person over a poached deer and he's standing

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Speaker 3: in the doorway and he's interrogating this Cupolo guy, saying

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Speaker 3: I think you shot this deer and Coopolo said, well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't, and and eventually he said, you have a warrant,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't, get off my porch. And he

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Speaker 3: went to shut the door and the police officer put

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Speaker 3: his foot across the door. I said, I'm not done

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Speaker 3: talking to you. And by putting his foot across the

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Speaker 3: door without a warrant, that was an unlawful entry. And

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Speaker 3: you know Coupolo did. He slammed the door on his

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Speaker 3: guy's foot three times, hurt his foot, broke his foot.

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Speaker 3: He gets he gets arrested for battery on a police officer.

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Speaker 3: Indiana Court of Appeal said, no, he didn't have a warrant.

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Speaker 3: The DNR officer didn't have a warrant when he put

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Speaker 3: his foot across the threshold of the door. That was

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Speaker 3: an unlawful entry, and Kupolo was completely justified in doing

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Speaker 3: what he did. Now, and I've gone way past the

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Speaker 3: break here, which is not my intent. But what's fascinating

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Speaker 3: about this is that you are justified if an officer

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Speaker 3: is acting unlawfully or not involved in their execution of

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Speaker 3: their official duties to protect your home, to protect agains,

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Speaker 3: serious bodily injury, and some other scenarios, that you are

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Speaker 3: justified and using now in Indiana force against a police officer.

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Speaker 3: Am I advocating that? Is that going to end well

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Speaker 3: for you? God forbid you use deadly force against a

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Speaker 3: police officer. Is that going to end well for you? Hell? No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not advocating this, But read Section thirty five forty

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Speaker 3: one Desk three Dest two that statute Subsection I, and

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Speaker 3: I think J and K following that have some of

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Speaker 3: this too. It is fascinating to know that Indiana, under

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Speaker 3: some li minute, very limited circumstances, has actually justified the

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Speaker 3: use of force against police officers who are acting unlawfully.

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Speaker 3: But please, for goodness sake, don't take that as me

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Speaker 3: advocating for violence against police officers. Never a good idea,

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Speaker 3: always a bad idea, and please keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we've got to take a break, says Guy

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Speaker 3: Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three wybcued.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Rail three ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Well tell you what. We've only got about a minute here,

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Speaker 3: a little less actually, but if you're on hold, A

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Speaker 3: couple of people have called in what appear to be

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Speaker 3: really good questions, and based on what you told producer

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Speaker 3: Jack when you called, I really want to get to you,

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Speaker 3: So please have some patience through the break at the

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Speaker 3: top of the hour, and we'll get to you just

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Speaker 3: as soon as we come back. I also want to

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Speaker 3: get into the idea this this TikTok challenge, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't really mean to spend so much time on it,

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Speaker 3: but we had great calls in great questions, and I

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Speaker 3: want to talk about what's the legal ramification of the

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Speaker 3: fact that they've got an airsoft gun in their hand

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Speaker 3: and not a real gun. In other words, let's say

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Speaker 3: you fear for your family safety you kill one of

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Speaker 3: these kids, what does it mean that they had an

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Speaker 3: airsoft gun not a real gun. That's an important point

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Speaker 3: we'll get into when we come back. Right now, we're

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Speaker 3: taking a break. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun

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Speaker 3: Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy a boom

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Speaker 1: boom boom.

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Speaker 1: Bang bang ral on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Yah, welcome back for our number two The Gun Guys

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Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 3: back with you after taking last weekend off due to

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Speaker 3: a conflict with the IU Oregon game. Although I got

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Speaker 3: to tell you I was a little selfish. I love

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Speaker 3: grill some chicken wings and my wife made some incredible

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Speaker 3: chili and we had a great afternoon. Watched the Hoosiers

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Speaker 3: beat the number three team in the country at the

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Speaker 3: time and launched themselves into that position. Actually a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun. In fact, I you I see looking at

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Speaker 3: my phone is leading Michigan State right now thirty five

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Speaker 3: to ten. In the third quarter, and Miami, who was

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Speaker 3: the number two team in the country last night, got

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Speaker 3: beat by Louisville who was like twenty some point underdogs.

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Speaker 3: So Indiana, if they maintained this lead, actually has a

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Speaker 3: very respectable chance to actually move to be number two

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Speaker 3: in the country. Which again, I'm be an IU fan

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Speaker 3: for a long time, and I'm used to seeing the

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Speaker 3: Hoosiers going in front of a stadium that's about a

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Speaker 3: third fall and about empty by halftime and posting records

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Speaker 3: like you know, two and nine and three and eight,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they have a chance to

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Speaker 3: be number two in the country after having made the

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Speaker 3: Bowl Championship Series playoff last year. That's all just that's

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Speaker 3: exciting stuff. So neat stuff. Again, I know you don't

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Speaker 3: dial into the gun guy should have listened to sports updates.

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Speaker 3: But I'm a big football fan. In my distant youth

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Speaker 3: through college played the sport, so I can't help rooting

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Speaker 3: on people, whether it's the Colts or IU that I

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Speaker 3: root for. But I'll tell you what I promised the

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Speaker 3: people on hold on the phone that I would go

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Speaker 3: right to the phone lines after the start of the

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Speaker 3: second hour here, so Buzz has been hold on. I've

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Speaker 3: been on hold for and Buzz longtime listener, buddy, frequent caller,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to.

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Speaker 8: Try and not draw this out. But the woman that

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Speaker 8: is my home health aid she had the half apartment

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Speaker 8: behind our house. We rented both the house and the

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Speaker 8: half apartment she had. She had a boyfriend ended up

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Speaker 8: being a bad breakup. He finally admitted that he smashed

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Speaker 8: himself in the face with an ashtray to make it

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Speaker 8: look bad, but he got he got the restraining order

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Speaker 8: and she had to leave the premises because they were

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Speaker 8: too close together. Now, him and I got into a

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Speaker 8: big yelling match and he knew he was not welcome

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 8: in house ever. Again, what were my legal if something

645
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 8: were to have gone down? Well, I'm not a bad person, but.

646
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: You know, to prevent him from coming vack you.

647
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 8: Mean yes, to come into my place?

648
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to make it clear, Well, there are a

649
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: couple of components to this, Buzz. And it's a great

650
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: question because we're talking about the castle doctrine, and I'm

651
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: sure this is where your question comes from. Castle doctrine

652
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: includes the ability to justifiably use force, including deadly force,

653
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: to prevent an unlawful entry into an attack on your dwelling.

654
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: And I was talking about when is an entry into

655
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: your dwelling not unlawful, Well, if the person's invited, or

656
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: if they have keys, or you know their names on

657
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: the lease or whatever it might be. So in this

658
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: circumstances where someone might have had the ability and the

659
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: authorization to come into your home, when you're part of

660
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: the of a home that you own at one time

661
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: no longer does, first thing you need to do is

662
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: document that you can do that with an eviction notice,

663
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: Serve that on them, keep a copy, have it served

664
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: by certified mail, or have it served by a civil

665
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: service process agent, but have a legal record, have proof

666
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: that you served on them that they're no longer allowed

667
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: to be in the premises that they're either evicted. You

668
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: can get your own order or protection, and there are

669
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: domestic violence orders of protection, but there are other restraining

670
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: orders that are available that you can potentially get to

671
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: say you're no longer allowed on these promises, on these premises,

672
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 3: and have that served on them and have a legal

673
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: record of that. But you want to make sure that

674
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: the person is very clear they don't have the legal

675
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: right to be there. Thereafter, if they come back, you know, again,

676
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: changing the locks imperative. If they have a key that

677
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: they've gotten at a time when they were authorized to

678
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: be there, you want to change the locks and and

679
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: tell them the locks have changed. You're not authorized to

680
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: be here. You're specifically excluded from the premises. And make

681
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: sure that's clear. Now they come back, Now it's clear

682
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: that one, they're violating an order of protection if you

683
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: have one, there are a restraining order, they're violating their eviction. Notice,

684
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: they're they're there illegally, and if they try to break

685
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: in at some point, then you're protected in terms of

686
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: the need to protect your home and and and and

687
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: and using the terms of the castle doctrine as the justification.

688
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: Now again, you're you know what I'm going to say here.

689
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: If you listen to the Gun Guy Show, do you

690
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: want to avoid that at all costs? Absolutely? You know,

691
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: just before the break and I feel bad that I

692
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: gave it a little disservice. We're talking about justifiable use

693
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: of a force against a police officer. My goodness, I

694
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: will go a long way, even if it's the middle

695
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 3: of the night and I hear police and my door

696
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: explodes and police come tearing in and listen, there's no

697
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: justifiable legal reason why police would be raiding my home.

698
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: I don't have a meth lab in the basement. I mean,

699
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: there's just no reason. And so I can meet said, well,

700
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: the cops are in my house illegally. Am I going

701
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: to pick up the suppressed SBR that's next to my

702
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: bed and start killing police officers? Absolutely? One hundred percent, No,

703
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: no one, Because what if they're just in the wrong

704
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: home because somebody screwed up the address on a search

705
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: warrant or an arrest warrant. Do I want to have

706
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: it on my conscience that I killed innocent police officers

707
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: who who Yes, they were illegally in my home, but

708
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: they didn't know it, they were offering, they were operating

709
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: under a simple mistake. Secondly, even if potentially I'm right

710
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: and there they are acting unlawfully, Let's say ATF just

711
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: decides they hate me because I'm a Second Amendment lawyer

712
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: and they know I have a bunch of NFA items.

713
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: I said, They're gonna come kicking my door and seize

714
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: my items just to come hassle me. Now, do I

715
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: think that would ever happen. No, on ATF's worst day,

716
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: I can't imagine them doing that, especially to a Second

717
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: Amendment attorney. But ATF's done some really rotten, ridiculous things.

718
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: I know because I've had to represent clients because of that.

719
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: But let's say they did and it is unlawed. Do

720
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: I still want to pick up my gun and start

721
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: killing law enforcement officers. No, I don't want to do it,

722
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: not if I can avoid it. I will sue their

723
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: ass later on, I will win in court. I'll do

724
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: what I need to do. I don't want to take

725
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: human lives. And I also do want to put myself

726
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: in the position because when police officers raide your home,

727
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: they very rarely do it by themselves. In fact, they

728
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: never do it by themselves. So it's you against who

729
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: knows how many police officers just came into your home.

730
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: I don't want the police officers to get hurt. I

731
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: don't want to get hurt. I don't want my family

732
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: to get hurt. I'm going to let things play out

733
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: and then handle it through the judicial system. I don't

734
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: want to hurt anyone. I don't want to get hurt.

735
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: If that sounds whimpy to you, I don't care. That's

736
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 3: how I'm going to approach that issue. But the same

737
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 3: thing is, if you know, as you've had a bad

738
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: breakup with a tenant, or you know, in this case,

739
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 3: what a boyfriend of someone who was authorized to be there,

740
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: I'd want to do everything I can to make it

741
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: clear to them they're not illegally allowed to be there

742
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: and have it all resolved something way short of having

743
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: to resort to deadly forced Now, if they're just a jerk,

744
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: they don't care about what the loss is, they don't

745
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: care about being evicted, they don't care about a protective order,

746
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 3: and they want to come start kicking doors in all right.

747
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: That's why we have a castle doctrine. That's about when

748
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: they get shot, and the castle doctrine, as long as

749
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: it's very clear that they're not authorized to be there

750
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: and that's an unlawful entry into your home, says that's

751
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 3: completely lawful. I'll tell you what. Before we take a break,

752
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: let's go back to the phone lines, and we also

753
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: have Larry's that's been on hold forever. Larry also, thank

754
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: you for your patience.

755
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 4: Bro Oh, you're welcome. I have a question that kind

756
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: of goes along those these same lines. I've got ring

757
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: camera at a spotlight on my drive, I perked my

758
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: truck out there, and I've also got a ring camera doorbell.

759
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: What if at three am in the morning, I hear

760
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: prompt that somebody's in my spotlight camera and they're breaking

761
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 4: into my truck or they're getting ready to steal my truck?

762
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: Yep?

763
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 4: What if I woke up and I slip out the

764
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: back door with my shotgun? What can I actually do

765
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: to stop somebody from doing that? Can I throw a

766
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: shot off in the air legally, or can I shoot

767
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: a shot into the ground or just something to let

768
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: them know that I'm there, and then I'm going to

769
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 4: stop them from stealing my truck or breaking into it.

770
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry, and thank you for your patience. And I'm

771
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: really glad you called. I'm really glad you asked that

772
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: question because listen, let me let me tell you I've

773
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: had this case. This is exactly precisely what you're describing.

774
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: Someone sees on a security camera or a ring doorbell

775
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: someone's breaking into their vehicle. It's out. I just had

776
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: one here recently down in Bartholomew County that where my

777
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: client got charged, and and here's what happens here and

778
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: here here how the rules of law apply. First of all,

779
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: you can never use deadly force merely to protect your

780
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: property like your truck. Now, not talking about your home.

781
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: That's castle doctrine, that's the other end of the spectrum.

782
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: But your truck, your vehicle, is just your personal property.

783
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 3: And you can never use deadly force merely to defend

784
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: your car. So if there's if there's a guy in

785
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: the parking garage here at WYBC right now, steal in

786
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: my car and listen, I love my car. I've had

787
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: my car for a long time, up a lot of

788
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: time and effort into it. It's the best car I've

789
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: ever had. I really don't want anybody to ever take

790
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: my car. But if I happen to be walking out

791
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 3: there as somebody is pulling out of my parking spot

792
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: because they're stealing my car, can I use deadly force

793
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: against them? Absolutely not. Now people always want to come

794
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: in there and say, what what if they're trying to

795
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: run you over? Is there leaving, or what if they

796
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: brandish a firearm? I'm not talking about that. I'm just

797
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: just stealing your truck. Just stealing your vehicles, just stealing

798
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: my car. I cannot use deadly forced merely protect my car,

799
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: my property, my personal property, now my home, my property. Okay,

800
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: so that's rule number one. You talk about warning shots,

801
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: fire around into the air, around into the ground. I've

802
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 3: had this case. I've had this exact case multiple times.

803
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: And if that round now a shotgun into the dirt,

804
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: you know, is that high risk? Into the air, is

805
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: that high risk whatever kind of gun it is, shooting

806
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: it into the air, shooting it into the ground. Multiple

807
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: times now, I've had cases where somebody filed fired a

808
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: warning shot. And one is exactly what you're talking about.

809
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: He saw on his security camera somebody was stealing his

810
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: truck or breaking into his truck. He walked out there

811
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: with his gun, walked up and said, dude, get away

812
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: from my car. And the person looked at him and

813
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: took a step toward him, clearly not intimidated, took a

814
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: step toward him. So my client fired a round off

815
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: into the ground with a handgun. Guy runs away. My

816
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: client called police. Again. This is Bartholomew County cases long over.

817
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: Now I talk a little bit about it without naming names.

818
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: My client called nine one one and said, guy was

819
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: just trying to steal my truck. He's still in the

820
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: neighborhood somewhere, and you guys need to come find him,

821
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: dig get any kind of a response. Eventually chased down,

822
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: a cop got his attention, said that guy was just

823
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: trying to steal my truck. He's in my neighborhood. Tells

824
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: the story of how he fired a warning shot into

825
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: the ground. Guess who got prosecuted. My client did for

826
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon because they said, well,

827
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: you're in a residential neighborhood and firing off a shot,

828
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: even into the ground can ricochet ended up in somebody's house.

829
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: I've had warning shot cases where somebody fired around in

830
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: the air and cop said, when the prosecutor said, well

831
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: that round has to come down somewhere, you just endangered

832
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: the people in your neighborhood. That's criminal recklessness with a

833
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: deadly weapon as a felony. So listen. I don't like this,

834
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: and no one listening is going to like it. But

835
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: if someone is just messing with my personal property, like

836
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: my vehicle outside my home, I'm calling nine to one one.

837
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm reporting what's going on. If I can video this

838
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: or recording the video off my ring doorbell, security cameras,

839
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: whatever it is, I'm going to do that. Am I

840
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: going outside with my firearm? No? Now you're thinking, well, God,

841
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: why do I have guns if I'm gonna sit there

842
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: and watch a video while somebody's stealing my car? Are

843
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: you kidding me?

844
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: Well?

845
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: Who's this wimp I'm listening to on the radio. I

846
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: get it. But you can't shoot them and you can't

847
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: fire warning shots. Why are you going outside? Why are

848
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: you leaving the protection of your home, where you have cover,

849
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: where you have protection for you and your family by

850
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: going outside with a firearm and police, don't take this

851
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: as any criticism on you based on your question, because

852
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: I don't mean it that way. I'm just talking across

853
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: the board. You want to stay in your home. You

854
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: want to prepare if they now they want to come

855
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: try to make entry into your home. Now you're prepared.

856
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: Now you can use deadly force. But I'm calling nine

857
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: to one one. I'm being a good witness. I'm not

858
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: going out there with my gun if I know I

859
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: can't shoot them for just trying to steal my car.

860
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: But they see me with a gun, what if they

861
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: now pull a gun and shoot me, I'm sitting there

862
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: thinking the back of my head, Okay, now, I'm just

863
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: gonna try to bluff them. I'm just gonna intimidate them.

864
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna try them to stop trying to steal

865
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 3: my truck, my car with this firearm. But I know

866
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not justified in shooting them. But

867
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: by walking out there and intending to bluff them with

868
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: my gun, they now see me with a gun, turn around,

869
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: shoot me. Well, I'm hesitating, going, wow, I can't shoot

870
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: this guy, or else I go to jail. They don't

871
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: have the same problem. They're a criminal. If they pull

872
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: their gun, shoot me in the head, bad outcome. So again,

873
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: nobody likes it. I talked about this in my gun

874
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 3: law class today and people look at me like, WHOA,

875
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. I'm as excited about being a

876
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: gun owner anymore. If I can't walk out and stop

877
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: somebody from stealing my car, that's how the law operates.

878
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: And that's the advice I have to give. Great question,

879
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: and that applies to so many people, so many hypotheticals

880
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: that people have. That question came up, Like I said,

881
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: in my class today, and I'm really glad you called

882
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: and asked that question. We're taking a break. We'll go

883
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: back to the phone lines. If we have any additional caller.

884
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 3: I'll wrap up the discussion on this ridiculous TikTok post.

885
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: There are a lot of other things I actually wanted

886
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: to get into here on the Gun Guy Show. Thanks

887
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: so much, join the discussion. We've had great callers, great questions.

888
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: Three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three,

889
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Speaker 3: three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three.

890
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Speaker 3: This is Guy Rylford on The Gun Guy Show on

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00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.

892
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: Your rights, it's your responsibilities, your guns. This is the

893
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on WYVC.

894
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

895
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC, and I want to talk

896
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 3: a little bit, and we've had a couple more callers

897
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: call in. I'll go to the phone lines here again

898
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: in a minute, but I'm going to finish the point

899
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: that I didn't quite get to, which is this this prank,

900
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: this TikTok prank apparently where teenagers are are walking up

901
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: onto people's porches and again the stupidity. This is just

902
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: so mind boggling to me, it's beyond my mind boggling.

903
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: It Actually it hurts my heart to think of kids

904
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: being this stupid, to think that this is something that

905
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: they're likely to get away with, or that the humor,

906
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 3: whatever humor, is associated with this, And I personally don't

907
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: see any but whatever charge they get out of doing

908
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 3: this and posted on TikTok to get the I don't know,

909
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: admiration of their friends or likes or clicks or follows

910
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: or whatever the hell that is, I don't know. I

911
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: don't have TikTok, I never will. But the stupidity of

912
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 3: this just boggles my mind to the point where it

913
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: literally it hurts my heart because people are gonna die

914
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: if this thing continues. It's it's unavoidable. You kick people's

915
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: door in with an airsoft rifle in your hand, and

916
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: you don't need an air an air soft rifle or

917
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: any other rifle or any other weapon in your hand.

918
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: It's not necessary for someone to be justified in shooting

919
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: you if you're empty handed, got nothing, no apparent weapon.

920
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 3: I'll walk up to someone's door and kick it in

921
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: the middle of the night. That is an unlawful entry

922
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: into someone's home, and they are justified. In Indiana, they

923
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: are justified in using deadly forced to prevent or terminate

924
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: that on lawful entry. If you're kicking on the door

925
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 3: and you haven't even made it in yet, the word

926
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: prevent is in the statue. I can prevent an unlawful

927
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 3: entry if I reasonably believe it's necessary. So if somebody

928
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 3: just kicks on my door and is otherwise standing around

929
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: on the porch, can I just shoot up? No, They're

930
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 3: kicking on my door enough to now it looks like

931
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: the hines are going to give. The lock's going to give,

932
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: the dead bolts gonna give. It looks like the s

933
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: that can in fact make it into my home. Can

934
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: I prevent an unlawful entry with deadly forced? Yes, that's

935
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: the way the statute is written in Indiana. So and and

936
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: and and the weapon is a real that's what makes

937
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: the castle doctrinedifferent. And that's the point I made in

938
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: my class today. And I always want to educate people

939
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: on is you can simply defend your castle against an

940
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: unlawful entry or attack, and and and you don't need

941
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: to fear injury. You don't need to fear death. The

942
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: person doesn't have to be armed. Someone empty handed who

943
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: makes your door in let's say they do, they're successful,

944
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: they kick your door in. The lock gives way. They

945
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: kick your door in the door slams. Indoors are standing

946
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 3: there completely empty handed. Can you use deadly force against them?

947
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: In Indiana? The answer is yes, justifiably. And you know what,

948
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: as far out of my way as I will go

949
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: to prevent taking a life, and I will go a

950
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: long damn way for reasons I've discussed right here on

951
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 3: the show. I don't want to take that. I don't

952
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: want to take a human life. I don't want to

953
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: live with that. And if it turns out afterwards that

954
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: it was some kid and at doing a TikTok prank,

955
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm angry at that point. I'm I'm devastated, I'm heartbroken.

956
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm also angry that they put me in that position,

957
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: and it even makes me angry hypothetically just that there

958
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: are people out there that are going to be put

959
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: in this position by this ridiculous prank. But let's just

960
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: let's talk about the airsoft gun for just a minute,

961
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: and let's let's take it out the context of the

962
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: castle doctrine, because this is the point I want to

963
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: make on how the law of self defense works certainly

964
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 3: here in Indiana, which is the limit of my discussion.

965
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: Let's say you're not in your home, so castle doctrine

966
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: doesn't apply. Let's say you're walking down the street in

967
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: downtown Indianapolis. And this is a hypothetical I use in

968
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: my class all the time, my Essentials of Indiana Gun Law,

969
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: when we're talking about self defense. And let's say we're

970
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: walking past an alley. It's my wife and I. I'm

971
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: walking past a dark alley. And if you've taken my

972
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: gun law class, you're nodding right now because you've heard

973
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: me go down this road before. But I hear from

974
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: the depths of this alley, which is a dark alley.

975
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: It's back lit, so I can see some silhouettes. But

976
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: I hear someone say I'm going to kill you. And

977
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: I look down the alley and I see three figures

978
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: running at me. They're backlits, so all I can see

979
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: is silhouettes. But I see three people running at me,

980
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: and they all have the unmistakable outline of a handgun

981
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: in their hand, and they're running toward me. After I

982
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 3: just heard I'm going to kill you, and I take

983
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: a moment to process this. Ever you ever heard the

984
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: term ooda loop. Talk about that in self defense all

985
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: the time, that when you're you see a potential life

986
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: threatening situation, you first need to observe it. That's the

987
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: first O and UDA. You observe it, then you need

988
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 3: to orient, understand what's going on, and they decide what

989
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 3: to do, and then you need to act. That's UDA

990
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: developed by fighter pilots actually during Vietnam, a really interesting story.

991
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: Look that up, google uda OO da UDA loop and

992
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: the and and the idea is that whoever gets through

993
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: their UDA loop the fastest is typically going to win

994
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: in a violent confrontation. And a big part of that

995
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: is orienting. You first have to observe. By the way,

996
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 3: if you get your face in your phone, we're staring

997
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: at your feet, we're checking out the cloud, animals. Then

998
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: you're not going to observe what's around you. That's what

999
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: we call situational awareness. But you have to observe what's

1000
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: going on. Then you have to orient and understand what's

1001
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: going on and then decide what to do and then

1002
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: do it. And whoever gets through that the fastest typically

1003
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: wins the confrontation. So I observe what's going on. I

1004
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: orient to it. They're running up the alley toward me

1005
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: and my wife. I just heard I'm going to kill you,

1006
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: and they each have a gun in their hand. Again,

1007
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: I can't see colors, I can't see detail. They're all

1008
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: backlit and they're solhouettes. I see, you know what, three

1009
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: people running at me with guns in their hand. I

1010
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: just heard I'm going to kill you. I take my

1011
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 3: gun out and I start shooting. Called nine one one,

1012
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: and we talk about nine one one calls that's a

1013
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: whole another show. And what you say to responding police,

1014
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: that's a whole another show. But I call police, Police arrive,

1015
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: the police investigate. Turns out there were three kids playing

1016
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: with squirt guns in the alley. One of the kids

1017
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: had sprayed another kid in the face with a square gun.

1018
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: He said I'm going to kill you, and was just

1019
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: chasing him up the alley, discording him with his shotgun.

1020
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: They never even saw me. There was no risk to me,

1021
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: but I wounded one of them and killed two. Am

1022
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: I going to prison at that point and the point

1023
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: of that hypothetical and again I can't imagine a worse scenario.

1024
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: I can't imagine living with having taken two innocent lives

1025
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: and heart another young person who were just playing in

1026
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: an alley with quirt guns and in the personal torment

1027
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: anguish that you'd live with. I would that would be

1028
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: close to when bearable to me. But that's a separate

1029
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: question from me, am I going to prison. And the

1030
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: way the law of self defense works, certainly here in Indiana,

1031
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: is that I don't have to be right. I have

1032
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 3: to have a reasonable belief, and outside the home, under

1033
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: the general self Defense Statute, I have to have a

1034
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: reasonable belief that I'm preventing seria is bodily injury to

1035
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: me or a third person, or preventing the commission of

1036
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: a forcible felony. A forcible felony is a felony committed

1037
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: through the use or threat of force, or in which

1038
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: there's a substantial risk of injury to a human being.

1039
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: So stealing my cars not a forcible felony, is just

1040
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: a felony carjacking. Who someone walks up to my window

1041
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: with a tire iron or a gun or a knife

1042
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: and says get out of the car. I'm taking your gun.

1043
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: That's a forcible felony, so I have to have a

1044
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: reasonable belief. So when I heard I'm going to kill you,

1045
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: and I saw three figures who were just backlit, I

1046
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: can't see figures, I can't see colors. I can just

1047
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: see outlines, and they're running toward me. After I just

1048
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 3: heard I'm going to kill you, and I take my

1049
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: gun out and start shooting. Did I have a reasonable

1050
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: belief that in fact turned out to be wrong. But

1051
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: I had a reasonable belief under the circumstances that I

1052
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: was defending my wife and myself from serious bodily injury

1053
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 3: or the commission of a forceable felony, which was murder

1054
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: or armed robbery or whatever I think they're going to do.

1055
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: The point of this discussion is that I can be

1056
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 3: wrong in terms of the actual threat, but still be

1057
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: justified knowing that kids running around doing pranks with things

1058
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: like airsoft rifles that look like real rifles gets real

1059
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: damn scary because it gives them no protection to the

1060
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: extent that someone reasonably believes that's a real gun. Even

1061
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: assuming carrying a gun's relevant, which in a pure castle

1062
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: doctrine situation, it's not somebody kicks on my door in

1063
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: I can defend myself. But where they're put in where

1064
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: they're now going the next step and incorporating a gun

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Speaker 3: into it that looks like a real gun. Now you're

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Speaker 3: creating that reasonable belief on a homeowner's part, and you're

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Speaker 3: greatly exacerbating the potential of getting shot in the head

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Speaker 3: or wherever else you might get shot. And that's so

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Speaker 3: scary to me. It angers me. It angers me that

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Speaker 3: a kid's going to lose his life and or a

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Speaker 3: homeowner is going to go through the anguish of having

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Speaker 3: killed a kid who's just too incredibly stupid to understand.

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Speaker 3: This is a risky prank that is not worth anywhere close,

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Speaker 3: not within an order, not within ten orders of magnitude.

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Speaker 3: Is it worth the risk? And with that, I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what I've blown past the potom of the hour.

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Speaker 3: We've got four people on hold the rest of the show.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to get through our callers. I

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Speaker 3: had a couple other things I want to talk about,

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Speaker 3: you know what. They'll hold till next week. Let's see

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Speaker 3: if we can get through the rest of the callers

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Speaker 3: when we come back. This is Guy Ralford on the

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Speaker 3: gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Second to none on the second and then this is

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Speaker 1: the Gun Guy We've got Hi Ralph WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'll tell you what. We're going to

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Speaker 3: go to the phone lines and I've got a bunch

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01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: of callers with not much time, so please be short

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Speaker 3: and succinct. I'm going to try to get to everybody

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Speaker 3: here before we wrap up this show. And Brad is

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Speaker 3: called Brad, Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Hello, sir,

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Speaker 3: great great show, Thanks about it. Curious just curious about expungement.

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Speaker 3: A guy called in a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 3: you said that particular crime couldn't be exposed. So my

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01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 3: question is federal or state could letters to a governor

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Speaker 3: or president and a pardon actually override that possibility. Yes,

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Speaker 3: a pardon from the governor or a presidential pardon at

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Speaker 3: the federal level can absolutely restore gun rights. So a man,

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Speaker 3: it says right in the federal statute, and this applies

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Speaker 3: in Indiana as well. A governmental pardon, for instance, for

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Speaker 3: a state law conviction here Indiana restore gun rights. Bruce

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Speaker 3: has called in, Bruce, Welcome to the Gun Guys Show.

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Speaker 9: Hey guy, long time list first time caller, Thank you, brother,

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Speaker 9: love your show man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you.

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Speaker 9: I listen to you about every time you're on. But listen.

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Speaker 9: The question I had was, you made a statement earlier

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Speaker 9: about something about somebody stealing your vehicle. So if you

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Speaker 9: walk out to your vehicle and you see the people's

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 9: got guns, you go in your house get your guns.

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Speaker 9: The person points are gun at you, and you don't

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Speaker 9: you shoot them?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean listen, if what I said is

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Speaker 3: somebody just stealing your car, you can't protect your car

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Speaker 3: your personal property with deadly force. So so so that

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Speaker 3: was my only point. But hey, if I go out

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Speaker 3: there because they're stealing my car and then they point

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Speaker 3: my gun at me, their point their gun at me,

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Speaker 3: can I either defend myself? Oh one hundred percent, brother,

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Speaker 3: because because then let's say you go out there, somebody

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Speaker 3: stealing your car, points a gun at you and says, hey,

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Speaker 3: back off, I'm taking your damn car. But with pointing

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Speaker 3: a gun at my head, Now I turn around and

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Speaker 3: shoot them when the cops show up and when I

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Speaker 3: eventually make my statement, right because now, first I'm going

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Speaker 3: to say, hey, hey, I want to have my lawyer

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Speaker 3: president and I want to be able to calm down

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Speaker 3: before I make a statement. When I eventually make a statement,

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Speaker 3: why am I going to tell them I shot that person?

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Speaker 3: Assuming I eventually make a statement, Am I going to

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Speaker 3: say because they were stealing my car? No, he'll no.

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Speaker 3: What am I going to say? I shot them because

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Speaker 3: they pointed their gun at me and I feared they

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Speaker 3: were about to end my life and that's the reason

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Speaker 3: I shot them. So that's a completely different scenario than

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Speaker 3: just stealing my car. Does that answer your question? Brother?

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Speaker 9: That's it, man. I was just wanting to make sure

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Speaker 9: that was clear because oh yea, I'm trying to really

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Speaker 9: I was getting a couple of extra statements that you made,

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Speaker 9: and then I was like, I don't think he's saying

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Speaker 9: that right.

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Speaker 3: No, No, you know.

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 9: I could have mis understood what you were saying.

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Speaker 3: No, you know what and if what I said was confusing, Bruce,

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: and I'm glad you called and allowed me to clarify it,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what We've let's take a break here.

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Speaker 3: At the three quarter hour, I come back and I've

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Speaker 3: got Jack, Jack and Casey still on hold. I'll go

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Speaker 3: right back to the phone lines here and get you

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Speaker 3: guys on the air before the show ends tonight. Right now,

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Speaker 3: we're taking a break. This is this guy Ralford on

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Speaker 3: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified firearms instructor.

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Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for our last segment here of the

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Speaker 3: Gun Guys Show here tonight. Thanks so much, not only

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Speaker 3: to our listeners but to our callers. We've had fabulous

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Speaker 3: callers and in that respect, let's go right back to

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Speaker 3: the phone lines. And Jack has called Jack. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks guy. Several weeks ago you reported on a

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Speaker 7: guy from Indiana who was traveling into Ohio, Oh Yeah

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Speaker 7: County and was arrested. Is there any follow up on

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Speaker 7: that on what ever happened? Did they you know, are

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Speaker 7: they going forward with the with the case on that

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Speaker 7: or have they given up on it?

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Speaker 3: You know, Jacket's a fabulous question. And I've not kept

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Speaker 3: apprized of exactly what the legal status of that case is.

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Speaker 3: And for people who who don't know what we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: and I got a lot of social media inquiries about

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Speaker 3: this There was a gentleman who lives in Indiana and

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Speaker 3: he was traveling in Ohio and got pulled over in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: And he has an Indiana licensed to carry handgun, and

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Speaker 3: he had a loaded handgun in his vehicle. And this

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Speaker 3: was in ah was it Toledo now getting in the

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Speaker 3: town and that's terrible. It's a sign of my old age.

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Speaker 3: But it was in a particular jurisdiction in Ohio. He

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Speaker 3: got pulled over. He disclosed to the police officer, because

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Speaker 3: there is a duty to disclose in Ohio. He disclosed

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Speaker 3: to the police officer that he had a gun in

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Speaker 3: the car. But he said, not to worry, I have

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Speaker 3: an Indiana license to carry. And he knew as you

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Speaker 3: and I know that Ohio does recognize the Indiana license

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Speaker 3: to carry. But this particular police officer and apparently contacted

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Speaker 3: local prosecutor. They looked at it and said, well, hold on, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Indiana recognizes the Indiana license. But there's a separate Ohio

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Speaker 3: statute that says you cannot have a loaded gun accessible

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Speaker 3: to you in the passenger compartment of the vehicle. And

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Speaker 3: the exception to that is if you have a concealed

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Speaker 3: carry permit and it just says concealed carry permit in

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Speaker 3: the state. And they said, well, concealed carry permit means

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Speaker 3: the Ohio concealed carry permit and the Indiana license to

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Speaker 3: carry doesn't qualify. So even though we recognize the Indiana license,

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Speaker 3: because they didn't have an Ohio license or concealed carry permit,

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Speaker 3: we're going to still prosecute him for a felony. And

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Speaker 3: a person was being prosecuted. He had hired a defense

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Speaker 3: attorney who was also an Ohio legislator, and they're talking

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Speaker 3: about proposing legislation to fix this. They were talking about

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Speaker 3: getting the governor involved. But it's a great question, Jack

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Speaker 3: and I will go back and I will find out

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Speaker 3: the status of that. I'll report on that next show.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not I'm not at it yet next week,

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Speaker 3: give me a call. And we need to do that

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Speaker 3: because again, it's not the whole state of Ohio. It's

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Speaker 3: one particular prosecutor and limited number of law enforcement in

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Speaker 3: a particularly liberal jurisdiction in Ohio. They're trying to put

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Speaker 3: this guy in prison. But I put this guy. I

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Speaker 3: put that issue out there because of how important that is,

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Speaker 3: because I mean, it's a it's kind of a a

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Speaker 3: cheap shot to for a state to say yes, we

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Speaker 3: recognize your license and then still turn around and prosecute

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Speaker 3: somebody who has an Indiana license who has a gun

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Speaker 3: in their vehicle in Ohio. And I'll tell you what

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Speaker 3: real quick, we've got less than a minute, let's go

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Speaker 3: to Casey. Casey, can you get your question in quickly?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if somebody's trying to kick in your front door,

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Speaker 5: can you shoot them through the door?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can prevent That is a concise, quick question, brother,

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Speaker 3: and thanks for asking it that way. The statue in

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Speaker 3: Indiana Castle Doctrine Statute says you can use reasonable force,

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Speaker 3: including deadly force, to prevent an unlawful entry into your home.

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Speaker 3: You have to believe that it's necessary keyword, to prevent

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Speaker 3: an unlawful entry into your home. So if somebody's kicking

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Speaker 3: in your door and you can say, hey, yeah, if

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Speaker 3: I allow them to continue kicking my door, then they

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Speaker 3: would have been able to break my door down and

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Speaker 3: enter my home unlawfully. Then yes, to the extent that

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Speaker 3: you reasonably believe it was necessary to prevent an unlawful

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Speaker 3: entry into your home, you can shoot them through the door. Now,

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Speaker 3: me personally, I will never do that. The hinges are

1231
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Speaker 3: going to have to be about to give the you know,

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Speaker 3: the door is going to have to swing open, because

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Speaker 3: I'm going to avoid that if I possibly can't. But

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Speaker 3: that's the way the law is written. And thanks so

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Speaker 3: much to everybody who called, everybody who listened. This is

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Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.