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Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: So between Iran and the story of Mom Donnie, which

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Speaker 3: is to say the lies that CNN told that he

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Speaker 3: was the victim of an attack. He wasn't the victim

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Speaker 3: of an attack is lomists who pledged themselves to ISIS

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Speaker 3: inspired by ISIS We're trying to kill Americans. But CNN

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Speaker 3: didn't want to tell that story, not just once, but

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Speaker 3: multiple times. Do we have a real messaging problem from

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Speaker 3: the political right that these Republicans are unwilling to fight

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Speaker 3: the fight that is necessary, and that's the fight on

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Speaker 3: the airwaves where they have more options and opportunities than

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Speaker 3: ever before. Tony Katz, Tony kats today. Good to be here, Good.

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Speaker 2: To be with you. Ed Morrissey joins me right.

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Speaker 3: Now from hotair dot com, where he is the Coppo

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Speaker 3: to Judy Coppo over there, Coppo to two D Cappo

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Speaker 3: is what I called you, if only I could say it.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, man, you have.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the greatest headline because I want to start with

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Speaker 3: Iran because in their weakened state but not yet totally dead,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's Monty Python. I'm not dead yet.

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Speaker 3: They have decided that what they can do is engage threats,

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Speaker 3: and the threat is that this war is going to

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Speaker 3: be very ugly unless the US shutters all its bases,

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Speaker 3: and if they don't shutter their bases, we're going to

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Speaker 3: keep the strains of Hormuz closed. And you refer to

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Speaker 3: the Ayatola's sun as Nepo baby Tola. So first, thank

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Speaker 3: you freaking brought Visimo there. But holy mackerel, these these

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Speaker 3: people have not learned. They've ninety two percent down in

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Speaker 3: missile strikes, you've got the missile launchers sixty percent degraded

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Speaker 3: as of yesterday's data, and they're still out there trying

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Speaker 3: to pretend that they're the tough guy. Who are they

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Speaker 3: pretending for and how do these threats think they're going

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Speaker 3: to work out for them?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think, for one thing, they're pretending for the Iranian people,

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Speaker 1: who are about ready to rise up and start string

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Speaker 1: him out from the nearest cranes as soon as they

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Speaker 1: have a clear shot at that. They have to project

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Speaker 1: strength or the next thing that happens is these guys

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Speaker 1: are the first up against the wall. Come the revolution, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what they are worried about at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. The whole Nepple baby Tola thing. This

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Speaker 1: is most Taba Khama and I he's dead. He's not around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they sent out a message in his name,

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Speaker 1: which is basically the IRGC hardliner's position, which is that

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Speaker 1: they're not going to change anything that they're doing, and

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Speaker 1: that the US has to pay them reparations, close all

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Speaker 1: the bases in Lead, and that's been their demand for

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Speaker 1: forty seven years. They're using Mushtaba Kamanai as basically a

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Speaker 1: mantle of theocratic authority over what is now clearly just

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Speaker 1: a military junta. The IRGC is the only game in

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Speaker 1: town at this moment. Nobody's even seen this guy alive,

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Speaker 1: and to have his first speech be read out by

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Speaker 1: a female presenter in a hijab is not exactly a

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Speaker 1: profile encourage. If this guy's alive, they would be putting

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Speaker 1: him out there. They would at least be putting video

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Speaker 1: out there. You got messud Posesshkin, who's still the president

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Speaker 1: of the government, right who is He's not the head

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Speaker 1: of state because that's the supreme leader, but he's the

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Speaker 1: head of the government and he's doing videos from whatever

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Speaker 1: hospital he's hiding in, and he's issuing statements. Ali Lerajani,

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Speaker 1: who was the guy who was supposed to secure the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Leader's compound, is out there putting out statements. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, you haven't heard the from the guy who

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Speaker 1: is supposedly now the Supreme Leader of the entire state,

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Speaker 1: who is conveniently now issued a written statement to be

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Speaker 1: read allowed by a female presenter on Iranian TV.

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, it was it true, by the way,

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Speaker 3: that that he got inaugurated.

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Speaker 2: It was a cardboard cutout.

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Speaker 1: It was an allegiance ceremony. It wasn't an inauguration. It

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Speaker 1: was an allegiance ceremony. They held an allegiance ceremony and

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Speaker 1: they had a bunch of people in the street who

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Speaker 1: were pledging allegiance to the new Supreme Leader, and they

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Speaker 1: used a cardboard cutout. And then after that there was

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's working remotely, right. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: pining for the fjords at this point, and they're trying

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Speaker 1: this is what this is what Supreme Leader is telling

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Speaker 1: telling us to do this. It's it's the best of

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Speaker 2: This ex parrot pining for the Fjords.

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Speaker 3: It's all mighty Python here today talking to Ed Morrissey

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Speaker 3: off hotair dot com. This has been my argument. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, you brought up his name mochtibah Kahmane.

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Speaker 2: I know there's a.

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Speaker 3: More specific pronunciation, but it's it's most of bah Kahmani.

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Speaker 3: It's the Iotola's son who from every report, the Iotola

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Speaker 3: didn't even want to take over for me.

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Speaker 2: He had no faith in whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: But we really are talking about the IRGC, the Islamic

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Speaker 3: Revolutionary Guard Corps, and we have been making the argument

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Speaker 3: here on the show I have for the last couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks. Until you break the IRGC. You don't have

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Speaker 3: anything until you stop the money flow, until they realize

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Speaker 3: that they are going to get harm strung up from

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Speaker 3: the New York crane. As you're discussing, I don't think

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Speaker 3: you were engaging in hyperbole when you said that you

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Speaker 3: must break them. The argument there is that the only

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Speaker 3: way to break them is boots on the ground.

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Speaker 2: And so there's this real question.

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Speaker 3: First of all, do Americans have the stomach for that,

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Speaker 3: Because we were discussing before we went on.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're we're the United States.

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Speaker 3: We can handle some high oil prices for a while,

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Speaker 3: and the issues with the straits of our moves. And

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Speaker 3: here's the threat. You get rid of the bases and

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Speaker 3: we'll open the straits of our moves. But if you

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Speaker 3: keep these foreign bases, Americans on foreign bases, we're going

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Speaker 3: to keep it closed.

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Speaker 2: And Americans can handle this for a while. The administration

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Speaker 2: hasn't said that.

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Speaker 3: I want to be really clear, The administration has to

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Speaker 3: say those words. They have to get America to buy in,

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Speaker 3: be involved in say absolutely to get rid of these terrorists,

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Speaker 3: low life bastards. You bet Donnie t. We're totally in

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Speaker 3: for that, and the administration hasn't done that.

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Speaker 2: There's a real question.

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Speaker 1: Trump did say that yesterday or late last night on

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Speaker 1: on and True Social.

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Speaker 2: They need to be making that on television. They need

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Speaker 2: to make that on.

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Speaker 3: Radio every single moment risk and they should have been

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Speaker 3: doing it for the past week. But there's been a

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Speaker 3: conversation about coude Americans handle boots on the ground, and

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Speaker 3: you have made you as we were talking earlier, You're like,

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Speaker 3: there is a place for this, and people should hear

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Speaker 3: at least the idea of what you're discussing, because I'm

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Speaker 3: a believer in this and we're not the only people

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Speaker 3: discussing it. There is a place for boots on the

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Speaker 3: ground that could lead to the breaking of the IRGC

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Speaker 3: that wouldn't put them in a battle position.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that.

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Speaker 1: So there's an island off just off the coast called

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Speaker 1: Carga Island, and this is where ninety percent of Iran's

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Speaker 1: oil output flows through. This is their main distribution point.

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Speaker 1: This is where they send out ships in the Strait

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Speaker 1: of Hormuz, primarily to go to India and China, primarily China.

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Speaker 1: About half of that output goes to China. It is

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Speaker 1: a very small island physically speaking, It has a very

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Speaker 1: are on it. It is not heavily defended. The point

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Speaker 1: has always been that you wouldn't want to attack Carg

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Speaker 1: Island because then Iran would retaliate by attacking all of

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Speaker 1: their shipping in the straight up hermus well. Ran is

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Speaker 1: already doing that. Now they're attacking shipping in the straight

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Speaker 1: up hero moves. They're trying to mine the straight up Promovese.

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Speaker 1: We have ways to counter We have countermeasures for mining,

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Speaker 1: by the way, that are vastly different than they were

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Speaker 1: in World War Two, the last time this was a

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Speaker 1: big issue. However, it would not take a whole lot

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't take a lot of boots on the ground

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Speaker 1: to seize Carg Island and then to keep Iran from

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Speaker 1: being able to ship its oil, which it is by

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Speaker 1: its oil. It is refraining from attacking those ships, primarily

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Speaker 1: again Chinese ships, Chinese tankers, and so we're not going

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Speaker 1: not close it ourselves. So if you seize carg Island,

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Speaker 1: that's ninety percent of whatever revenue the IRGC is still getting.

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Speaker 1: That's our only source of hard currency now. So if

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Speaker 2: At that point.

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Speaker 1: Also, China starts putting a lot of pressure on the

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Speaker 1: But what you do then is you make a rand

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Speaker 1: pay for whatever they're doing in the strait of Her Moves,

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Speaker 1: rebuilding what has been destroyed and what needs to be

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Speaker 1: not a low risk operation. It's probably a medium risk operation.

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Speaker 1: But we have basically full naval and air control in

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Speaker 1: that entire region. And it shouldn't take that much effort

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Speaker 1: to seize that and to cut off operations on carg Island,

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Speaker 3: The reason this is such an important conversation is that

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Speaker 3: my argument has been that when the President was talking

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Speaker 3: before the attack took place in conjunction with Israel, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to hit military targets, I asked, of what

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Speaker 3: value is hitting the military target to the people, because

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Speaker 3: it doesn't change their abilities. Now, I believe in taking

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Speaker 3: out the regime for American safety and security, and if

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Speaker 3: we can then help those people be free, I think

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Speaker 3: that's an added benefit. But the first and foremost is

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Speaker 3: saying help is on its way, it actually has to

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Speaker 3: come on its way. And I had argued, why not

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Speaker 3: hit the oil wells stop the money flow, because how

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Speaker 3: else are you going to break the IRGC unless you

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Speaker 3: shoot them and kill them. The taking of the island

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Speaker 3: is a much more safe approach for the American troop

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Speaker 3: and for world exports, oil exports and for the world

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Speaker 3: mobility then taking out oil wells, or as we saw

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Speaker 3: Israel do take out oil storage facilities. The question here

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Speaker 3: the American people, never mind the American left. I'm telling

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Speaker 3: you things that Chris Murphy, Senator Murphy and Senator Van

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Speaker 3: Hollander saying are disgusting, anti American, anti troop, really despicable,

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Speaker 3: despicable statements that they've been making. How does one make

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Speaker 3: And I just think we need to be much better

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Speaker 2: I appreciate taking the time to be with us.

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Speaker 3: More is coming up on Tony Katz and this is

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Speaker 3: And now they're going after actress Catherine Heigel.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't just torpedoing your own career been enough.

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Speaker 3: They're angry with her because she attended an event at

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Speaker 3: which is well, very cool, good on you, wine women

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Speaker 3: This event was about animal advocacy, something that has always

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Speaker 3: You showed up to the event, You did nothing wrong,

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Speaker 3: The event raised five point five million dollars. Catherine Heigel,

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Speaker 2: Who's better.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where Catherine Heigel's politics are, and I

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Speaker 2: Good for you, Good for you, I applaud.

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Speaker 3: You for being serious about something you say you believe

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Speaker 3: Five point five million dollars for dogs to show how

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Speaker 2: I'm on team Higgling. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony Katz dot com.

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Speaker 4: Does this announcement about the drawdown of spro and with

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Speaker 2: I think it is a miss Tony Katz.

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Speaker 3: Tony Kats today, good to be here, good to be

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Speaker 4: Announcement of releasing a third of emergency reserves yesterday, reaction

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Speaker 4: overnight was oil went up over one hundred again, the

436
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Speaker 4: message being then that the only thing that matters is

437
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Speaker 4: horror moves. Can the United States declear victory success without

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Speaker 4: the strait of Hormus being reopened?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 5: The straits of hor Moos needs to be and will

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Speaker 5: be reopened. The US military is there for the lay

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Speaker 5: is there to solve a long term problem, which is

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Speaker 5: Irans had forty seven years in ability to threaten the

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Speaker 5: Straits of Hormuz, and not long from now Iran would

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Speaker 5: have nuclear arms and a massive missile program surrounding that.

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Speaker 2: This was a can that could not be kicked down

447
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Speaker 2: the road one more administration.

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Speaker 5: We need to defang and we are defanging Iran's abilities

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Speaker 5: to threaten American troops in the areas it's allies, its neighbors,

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Speaker 5: and global energy markets.

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Speaker 3: With all due respect to the Energy Secretary, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to hear you talking about our military capabilities.

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Speaker 2: I want you talking about energy.

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Speaker 3: If indeed the Straits of Hormoves will be reopened, when

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Speaker 3: what is the issue? Because the issue is not a

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Speaker 3: closing per se, The issue is the feeling that.

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Speaker 2: These tankers don't want to go through.

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Speaker 3: They feel that it's a threat and they're not making

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Speaker 3: the moves. So how do you remove that threat posture?

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Speaker 3: Who do you kill? Who do you bomb?

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Speaker 2: Do you escort?

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Speaker 3: These are the questions, and you, as the Energy Secretary,

463
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Speaker 3: need to be saying, here's what we're doing for oil markets,

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Speaker 3: here's what we're doing for energy markets. Here is how

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Speaker 3: we are going to solve this needs to be and

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Speaker 3: will be reopened.

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Speaker 2: When now part of the problem there is that we're asking.

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Speaker 3: The Energy secretary, we're asking the administration to.

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Speaker 6: Put a timeline on everything. And I am one of

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Speaker 6: the people who agrees that there isn't necessarily a timeline.

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Speaker 6: Plans not a timeline if it takes an extra two

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Speaker 6: weeks or it takes an extra two months. But the

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Speaker 6: terrorist threat has ended, I say good. And if you

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Speaker 6: say to me what terrorist threat, I'm just gonna laugh

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Speaker 6: out loud. I am gonna laugh out loud. Which one?

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Speaker 6: I got a list here of twenty pick a number thirteen?

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Speaker 6: All right, we'll do number We'll do number thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Terrorists from the Iran back Popular Resistance killed three US

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Speaker 3: diplomatic personnel and a bombing in Gaza that's October two

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Speaker 3: thousand and three. How about number seven US embassy annex

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Speaker 3: bombing in be Route that September of nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: killing twenty three people. How about just the taking of

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Speaker 3: the US embassy in Tehran nineteen seventy nine and the

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Speaker 3: holding of hostages for four hundred and forty four days.

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Speaker 2: Don't sit there and tell me we started something.

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Speaker 3: Iran started this or just to say, the Iranian regime

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Speaker 3: and we should have ended this years ago. I don't

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Speaker 3: give a good holy damn that the Ayah told or

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Speaker 3: anybody he knows is dead, destroy that regime till there's

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Speaker 3: nothing left and let the people live free, because when

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Speaker 3: those people live free, we don't have a terrorist threat

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Speaker 3: bothering us or the region, which is good for us.

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Speaker 2: Excellent.

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Speaker 3: And then maybe everybody could stop talking about the Middle

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Speaker 3: East for one damn minute and screaming about Israel being

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Speaker 3: the reason. I saw some groyper freak talking about how

497
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Speaker 3: Israel is the reason America has abortions.

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Speaker 2: These groper losers, Holy crap, there is no I got

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Speaker 2: a hang now, must have been Israel. Could we just stop?

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Speaker 3: I have no interest in talking about Israel this much

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Speaker 3: unless we're discussing good falawful recipes after that.

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Speaker 2: I don't need this in my life. I'm busy. I've

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Speaker 2: got things to do.

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Speaker 3: So the less we focus on the Middle East, the

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Speaker 3: more peace they have, the better off we are.

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Speaker 2: And Iran was the stumbling block to piece.

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Speaker 3: They were the supporters of terrorism, they were the ones

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Speaker 3: destabilizing the region. This is the regime that had to

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Speaker 3: go and the people who are posed to this are

510
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Speaker 3: weirdo freaks. They're freaks.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna agree to just agree.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have ourselves a good old fashioned fight, and

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Speaker 3: one of us is gonna come out on top. There

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Speaker 3: is no rational argument to the idea that Iran never

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Speaker 3: did anything to us.

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Speaker 2: That's a lie. I just want to start there. We

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Speaker 2: can discuss us mistakes over the last forty seven years

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Speaker 2: more than welcome to. But we are not going to

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Speaker 2: say that Iran never did anything to us.

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Speaker 3: That is a nonsense, garbage argument of the Greiper class

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Speaker 3: and of the Tucker Meghan Kelly, Dave Smith, Canda Zowan's class.

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Speaker 2: It's just obsessed silliness.

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Speaker 3: These people are Glenn close and they are four seconds away.

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Speaker 3: Not take that back. They're boiling the bunny right now.

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Speaker 3: They're full of crap. Holy cow. Now, if you don't

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Speaker 3: like the way we went into this attack in Iran,

527
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Speaker 3: well I would say that that's aftable. We can talk

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Speaker 3: about that because there might be points of agreement, as in,

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Speaker 3: the President did not do enough to tell America what's

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Speaker 3: happening and why it's happening, and the importance of it happening.

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Speaker 2: He needed to.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do this on the economy. Here's why we're

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Speaker 3: doing tariffs. It's not tariff's the most beautiful world word

534
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Speaker 3: in the world. That's weird, super duper weird. Stop being

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Speaker 3: so in love with tariffs. Explain the tariffs lead to

536
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Speaker 3: trade deals, tarrifts lead to opportunities, and don't say tariffs

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Speaker 3: to bring down trade deficits. Not only was it a

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Speaker 3: ridiculous thing to say, not only are trade deficits not

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Speaker 3: a problem.

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Speaker 2: We don't care if we sell more.

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Speaker 3: Goods or or we buy more of name the country's

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Speaker 3: goods than we sell to them. We care that they

543
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Speaker 3: then take that money they make from us and reinvest

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Speaker 3: it in us. That's what's good. Ah, yeah, it does.

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Speaker 3: It does infuriate. I get it, and I shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: infuriated with you, because I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not angry with you at all.

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Speaker 3: I find infuriating that the President doesn't say, here's where

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have the terrants, and here's why they're strategic,

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Speaker 3: and here's why they're going to help. And yes there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be some short term increases, but in the end,

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Speaker 3: we have better deals, better for your kids, and better

553
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Speaker 3: for America, our safety and security. This matters. Let's go

554
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Speaker 3: do it. I'm making this happen. That's why you elected me.

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Speaker 3: This is the path.

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Speaker 2: Sell them, make them a part of it, Make Americans

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Speaker 2: a part of what it is you're trying to get done.

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Speaker 2: And this administration doesn't do that. And I think it

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Speaker 2: is just.

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Speaker 3: A terrible plan. Terrible terrible plan, terrible terrible plan. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a terrible plan to say we need to

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Speaker 3: have the straits of hor Moves open and then not

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Speaker 3: say how we're going to open up the straits of

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Speaker 3: hor Moves.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a mistake.

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Speaker 3: And then Chris Wright, in the same interview over there

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Speaker 3: at CNN is discussing additional assets that what we can't

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Speaker 3: afford them.

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Speaker 4: Secretary, the immediate focus is very clearly in some part

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Speaker 4: and needs in likely becoming more part, getting the straight

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Speaker 4: ofform Moves open. The Biden administration, when faced with threats

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Speaker 4: threats to shipping in a different regard, they formed a

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Speaker 4: naval coalition with many countries to help protect shipping in

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Speaker 4: the Red Sea. When Iranian proxy, when an Iranian proxy

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Speaker 4: fired at ships, why aren't you doing the same.

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Speaker 3: Just a really quick note, oh, so the Iranians were

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Speaker 3: firing at ships when Biden was president. Okay, just just

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Speaker 3: one more thing to add to the pile of the

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Speaker 3: things that the regime was doing us.

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Speaker 4: And here when success is hinges on reopening the straight

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Speaker 4: of for mooves.

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Speaker 5: Well, we will and are doing this thing right now.

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Speaker 5: All of our military assets are focused on degrading, destroying

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Speaker 5: a rand's ability to threaten its neighbors, to threaten our troops.

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00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: So we're destroying their ability.

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Speaker 5: To produce missiles, to produce a nuclear program, to produce

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Speaker 5: weapons of all kinds, not just their existing weapons, their

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Speaker 5: ability to produce those weapons.

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Speaker 2: You will see the.

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Speaker 5: United States working with other nations to allow the return

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Speaker 5: of traffic through the Straits of Hormuds.

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Speaker 2: That's coming.

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Speaker 5: We're less than two weeks into this forty seven year

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Speaker 5: long conflict.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but I've now.

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Speaker 3: Just for a bit of clarity's sake, the USS Nimics

597
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Speaker 3: is off the coast of Oregon. The Ewojima is there

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Speaker 3: by South America. You have the George Washington in Japan,

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Speaker 3: and the Tripoli is in the Pacific as well. My

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Speaker 3: point to you is, we don't have every asset in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East just for the sake of clarity, we

602
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Speaker 3: don't have every asset. It's again, I don't want him

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Speaker 3: talking in this way. I want clearer messaging from the Secretary,

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Speaker 3: affered from many.

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Speaker 4: A smart person that we worked in previous administrations. Though,

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Speaker 4: if it was safe for the US Navy to escort

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Speaker 4: tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, they would be doing

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Speaker 4: so right now.

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Speaker 5: All of our military assets right now are focused on

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Speaker 5: destroying a rand's ability to wage war and terrorize the neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: When we can afford some additional assets to move tankers

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Speaker 5: through the Straits of Hormus, we will do that.

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Speaker 2: That's coming.

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Speaker 3: So if you're making the argument we can't afford to

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Speaker 3: it's not a good argument. What I will say is

616
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Speaker 3: that this pressuring from CNN, I don't actually mind the questions.

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Speaker 2: It's that it isn't where we should be.

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Speaker 3: This idea that it has to get done in an

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Speaker 3: hour doesn't have to get done in an hour. The

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Speaker 3: Straits of Hormus does have to get reopened, but it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to happen in an hour. Let the work happen,

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Speaker 3: but none of it will be successful if you don't

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Speaker 3: take out the regime completely and quickly.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: I have zero issues with Elon Musk, absolutely none. I

626
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Speaker 3: think he has taken abuse for no reason. I think

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Speaker 3: that we did not do enough to prosecute those in

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Speaker 3: the court of public opinion who set fire to Tesla

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Speaker 3: dealerships in Tesla's themselves and engage.

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Speaker 2: In the vandalism.

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Speaker 3: I think the political rights attack on him with the

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Speaker 3: quote unquote fallout with Trump were all nonsense, all nonsense.

633
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk did not deserve the abuse that he got. However,

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Speaker 3: Tesla is now planning for a car.

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Speaker 2: With no steering wheel. We have to do something about this.

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Speaker 3: He has gone too far and he needs to be

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Speaker 3: stopped from this madness. Tony Katz, Tony kats today, Good

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Speaker 3: to be here, Good.

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Speaker 2: To be with you.

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Speaker 3: No cars must have steering wheels and it needs people

641
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Speaker 3: to drive them. And enough with this, what do we

642
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Speaker 3: want to even call it? Driverless insanity?

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Speaker 2: Stop? We're just going too far.

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Speaker 3: I have seen the future, and the future is frightening.

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Speaker 2: When you allow the robots.

646
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Speaker 3: More opportunities to kill us, give them less opportunities.

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Speaker 2: I say, drive your own damn car now.

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Speaker 3: I agree people can kill other people when driving a car,

649
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Speaker 3: but Ted Kennedy is dead too soon go. It was

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Speaker 3: either that or some kind of pick the group as

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Speaker 3: bad driver's joke to put in, and I went with

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Speaker 3: Ted Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: I apologize for absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: on YouTube. Just look for Tony Katz tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Everyone can take care