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Speaker 2: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Frames per Second Podcast, as we are
Speaker 3: reviewing Wake Up the dead Man, the third film in
Speaker 3: the Knives Out series, which I've not seen the other
Speaker 3: ones weich thankfull to. They standalons.
Speaker 1: Damn no, no, no, I mean Robben shooting everybody today?
Speaker 4: Man, that's not.
Speaker 3: So joining me, I have Ken, Mike rod Man and
Speaker 3: a special appearance by Miss Nay. How are you wonderful?
Speaker 3: How are you fantastic? We're glad to have you here.
Speaker 3: So I'll go around the room and all of y'all
Speaker 3: seen this, this.
Speaker 1: These yeah, okay, I'm familiar with these.
Speaker 2: We reviewed all of them.
Speaker 4: Did we review the first one?
Speaker 2: I don't know if we did the first Yeah, we
Speaker 2: did all of them. We did the first one.
Speaker 4: Because I know Ken and I had told Ken about it.
Speaker 2: I was like one of your best of lists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if we reviewed him, though.
Speaker 2: I went back and watched it, watched most of the
Speaker 2: stuff that was on your best do list. I liked
Speaker 2: that cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet, did you think where you're watching them?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I want you to take your knife out?
Speaker 4: Stupid?
Speaker 1: Really have expected that? No, I did not expect you
Speaker 1: to go there if I ever remember.
Speaker 5: Sure Jesus, So, Mike, what did you think about this movie?
Speaker 1: And get this ship the funk out of here? This
Speaker 1: boring ass movie? Oh my god, y'all. Oh this ship
Speaker 1: was so fucking boring.
Speaker 4: Did you like any of the other two?
Speaker 1: No, none of them.
Speaker 2: No, Oh, this was so boring.
Speaker 1: I didn't even give a funk who killed that dude?
Speaker 2: Man? Not at all.
Speaker 1: They did get me though, with the swap. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that. You guess a good point. Ken. Did you
Speaker 1: like this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I enjoyed this serious. You know, I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: trying to figure out who did what? But the thing
Speaker 2: with these things is they never give you everything, so
Speaker 2: you'll never figure it out who did it, And if
Speaker 2: you guess who did it, you'll never know how they
Speaker 2: did it because they deliberately leave information out roight.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, just like I love the series.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I like how they It reminds me of
Speaker 6: White Lotus, how they changed the cast up every movie
Speaker 6: because they don't have the same cast. Okay, only one
Speaker 6: that returns is the detective. Detective so yeah that's Daniel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does a really good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Why is he gay?
Speaker 1: They don't do anything with it.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 1: I thought they said that in the last movie that
Speaker 1: he was gay.
Speaker 4: I can't remember if I meant to go back and
Speaker 4: watch the last one. But but they.
Speaker 2: Don't a movie a movie.
Speaker 7: He was like, are you it doesn't have to go anywhere?
Speaker 4: Are you.
Speaker 1: All of these women around?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why would you be all these women? Jesus No. I
Speaker 1: just meant, like, what's the point of throwing that out
Speaker 1: there if you don't ever?
Speaker 4: I feel like they did make a mention of it
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of it. It seemed weird.
Speaker 4: It makes something kind it makes sense a little go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's like, what it just seems like, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the point of throwing this out there if it doesn't
Speaker 1: affect anything at all? And you and if you don't
Speaker 1: bring it up again after that? Inclusion? But that's is
Speaker 1: that really inclusion?
Speaker 4: Especially when it comes to the church.
Speaker 1: I mean, because yeah, but it doesn't affect anything. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe it, I don't. I think he says
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in God. Why is there a black
Speaker 1: person in this movie? Huh No, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 2: Didn't land. But it could.
Speaker 4: It could.
Speaker 1: That could be part of his beliefs. But we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to be like that could. It's like if you're
Speaker 1: gonna I don't know, it doesn't matter. Never mind. It
Speaker 1: just always confused me a little bit to make something
Speaker 1: that's interesting.
Speaker 3: No, I see what you're trying to do to my review.
Speaker 3: You're trying to do like, ra do you.
Speaker 4: Gonna do that?
Speaker 1: Worry about you doing what you think of this movie.
Speaker 7: I ain't miking the guys like I could. I could
Speaker 7: have done without it. I mean these you kind of
Speaker 7: know what to expect if you've watched the other two.
Speaker 7: It fell right in line with them. I liked the
Speaker 7: church aspects. I thought that was semi interesting, but ultimately
Speaker 7: I didn't really care. Yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 6: I heard you laughing and everything I did it was
Speaker 6: when what was it?
Speaker 7: I don't remember what it was that Glen Glenn Close
Speaker 7: was funny to me.
Speaker 1: She was she was funny.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't She said something. Oh when the girl
Speaker 7: got up and walked and she's like, it's a miracle.
Speaker 2: She was like, I can watch I can walk.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what had me cracking up. But other than that,
Speaker 7: I mean the movie was okay. It wasn't bad. It
Speaker 7: was just okay.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I thought it was a figure. I
Speaker 3: can hear Mike saying figures that you would enjoy this
Speaker 3: when I got done. But yeah, I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: It's a good murder mystery. I like the little tropes
Speaker 3: that they play. I think what's his name that Daniel
Speaker 3: Craig did a great job. Everybody acted really good in this.
Speaker 2: You can Carry Washington, I.
Speaker 1: Mean she was just acting like Carry Washington.
Speaker 3: I feel like she was just being Carry Washington, like
Speaker 3: it was the same girl from Scandal.
Speaker 1: And what her teeth bothers.
Speaker 4: It's like her. It's just it's the same.
Speaker 1: She's the same person in every movie. She was carry Washington,
Speaker 1: she was like the girl from Scan.
Speaker 6: And I haven't seen that, but I've seen like clips
Speaker 6: of it and stuff. But anything else I've seen her
Speaker 6: in it's always like, that's funny. Why do y'all clout
Speaker 6: in her face? It's just something beautiful bothers.
Speaker 1: She just uses it wrong. How she used her own
Speaker 1: teeth wrong.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. She just be using it wrong.
Speaker 4: As you can see. It's a it's a it's a thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7: And the thing is like she's always like her face
Speaker 7: was like that in say the Last Dance, like she's
Speaker 7: always had it's like her teeth too big for her mouth.
Speaker 7: Then it's like it's ozimpic face. It's like her face
Speaker 7: is super star. But I don't know. But beautiful girl,
Speaker 7: beautiful gowns is.
Speaker 2: She she is?
Speaker 6: It's just just to hear no, no, even when I
Speaker 6: just on a record, I think she's a she's a
Speaker 6: pretty woman.
Speaker 4: Just when she's acting. It just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just don't look right. So her teeth got a
Speaker 1: hole of the roll Man.
Speaker 3: We start this movie with Father Judd Duplicity, a former
Speaker 3: boxer turned Catholic priest.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He gets into it with the rude deacon punches him
Speaker 3: in the face, so they send him down to an
Speaker 3: upstate New Well whatever they send him, they send him
Speaker 3: to another church because they want to keep on this preach.
Speaker 1: What did y'all think about the opening here?
Speaker 7: I felt like I was duped mm hmm, because when
Speaker 7: I saw Jeffrey Wright, I got excited. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 7: this might like he's a good actor, so okay, and
Speaker 7: then we don't see him again later, so I was
Speaker 7: mad he came back at the end.
Speaker 1: I was like, Jeffrey Right in this movie, sweat God.
Speaker 1: I forgot that he was in the beginning.
Speaker 4: But that's what these movies are.
Speaker 6: Though they'll have all these big name actors, they don't
Speaker 6: really have like stream like big roles, but they be
Speaker 6: in the movie.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Jeffrey Right wasn't here the whole time,
Speaker 1: and I just seen him once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to the point where I thought he
Speaker 2: may have been involved because he was talking about the
Speaker 2: priest that was there anyway, But I wait, yeah, but
Speaker 2: he was just he just opened and closed the move.
Speaker 2: It was just more cheap inclusion. But but I thought,
Speaker 2: off real, I thought it was interesting his portrayal of priests,
Speaker 2: you know, and how they talked and the language that
Speaker 2: they use, and that you know, on the surface, they're
Speaker 2: presenting to people this one image, but behind closed doors,
Speaker 2: they're completely kind of different people, you know, cursing and
Speaker 2: all this other stuff. So and that kind of continued
Speaker 2: throughout the series, which you know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he was trying to. It seemed like he was trying
Speaker 2: to say something, you know, uh.
Speaker 1: But aren't they Catholic. Catholics are always like that.
Speaker 2: Though they cursed like that, Yeah, drink all that really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think it was a big deal because
Speaker 1: I always see them doing that ship smoking cigarettes at
Speaker 1: the bar, drink and getting drunk. I thought that was
Speaker 1: just normal for Catholics.
Speaker 7: Everybody got their vices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could see the would be enough of
Speaker 2: advice alcohol. Yeah. I just thought it was funny that
Speaker 2: they were just cursy.
Speaker 1: I think they just can't fuck. That's that's what gets
Speaker 1: them in trouble when they be fucking these nuns and
Speaker 1: but just drinking and smoking. I think that's slipping with
Speaker 1: the nuns. You remember all those stories about the nuns
Speaker 1: having babies and bearing them in the walls and ship
Speaker 1: I don't know stories. Yeah, because they were ashamed because
Speaker 1: it was the wall. I don't understand, because they they
Speaker 1: didn't want people to find out that they were ever pregnant.
Speaker 7: No place else to bury in a con in a
Speaker 7: con what was it called convent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say convent, but I was thinking
Speaker 1: convict in a convent? Where else are you gonna put them?
Speaker 1: They were like, and where.
Speaker 4: Would you stay around?
Speaker 1: We didn't? People perceive you digging?
Speaker 2: But what you thinking, sister, Well if that's the case,
Speaker 2: then then there, I guess that meant nothing then, So
Speaker 2: I'm sure it meant.
Speaker 1: Something, you know.
Speaker 3: So after he punched his deacon in the face, he
Speaker 3: has made assistant pastor of our Lady of Potetual Fortitude
Speaker 3: rural parents lived by Monsinger Jefferson Wicks play Bys. That's yeah,
Speaker 3: call me back.
Speaker 7: So I do think like when they did the little
Speaker 7: monologue with when they when Judge Pastor Judd was in
Speaker 7: front of them and kind of explaining his ideology, I
Speaker 7: did think that that was I did think they were
Speaker 7: trying to say something there because you see the way
Speaker 7: that the other pastors spoke and kind of like were
Speaker 7: who they were, And I think there's this idea of
Speaker 7: those pastors are presenting a certain way and Pastor Judd
Speaker 7: actually is a certain way.
Speaker 1: Could you believe him?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 7: I did, Yeah, I did, And I think because he
Speaker 7: comes from a trouble past and he's working from a
Speaker 7: place of shame and guilt, so he really means it
Speaker 7: because he wants to be absolved of what he did,
Speaker 7: which I guess we'll talk about later when it comes out,
Speaker 7: but yeah, he wants to be absolved of that. So
Speaker 7: I felt like his was more sincere, and those who
Speaker 7: he's looking up to, it's more perceived.
Speaker 2: They're struggling throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because of that struggle, Like I didn't know. I
Speaker 6: didn't know, Like for these movies, I don't know who
Speaker 6: to trust until we get like Midway, and I don't
Speaker 6: put none past anybody, So I didn't. I wasn't as
Speaker 6: trusting of him being authentic narrative, even like Mike is
Speaker 6: brought up like it could be an you call it,
Speaker 6: uh not untrust unreliable unreliable narrator, so he could be
Speaker 6: an unreliable narrator.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know if I could trust him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so like you know, so yeah, it didn't take
Speaker 6: me into to a few kind of different occurrences to
Speaker 6: be like, okay, he seemed.
Speaker 2: Like the real deal.
Speaker 4: I think it was after.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you I know, you haven't
Speaker 6: gotten here yet, but it was after that last conversation
Speaker 6: that he had with mons Sewer Senior about I'll cut
Speaker 6: you out like a cancer.
Speaker 4: At that point, I'm like, Okay, yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: The real deal. M Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did y'all like my senior character?
Speaker 1: First?
Speaker 7: Middle like like is it like admirable?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: But I did like his performance.
Speaker 2: He's been in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think he did a good job here.
Speaker 3: He did a really good job selling that person that's
Speaker 3: over that church.
Speaker 6: And thinking that he's in the right, like thinking something good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I didn't get the impression.
Speaker 1: When he was just like he was just selfish and
Speaker 1: he was just doing this for his own power.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 6: I had that thought into like to that to that
Speaker 6: conversation when he was just like like, well you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. These people they need to toughen up.
Speaker 6: You know, this world will eat you up, swallow you up.
Speaker 6: So this is my way of giving them the armor
Speaker 6: or whatever. So I was just like, I think he
Speaker 6: really believes it. I think he really think.
Speaker 2: He's in some of the crazy stuff he was saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't know it was bullshiting just to get
Speaker 1: them to keep doing what they were doing to benefit himself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but y'all remember when he when he when he
Speaker 6: basically beat his ass and then he's just like, see,
Speaker 6: now you want to defend yourself.
Speaker 1: Now you now you want to protect yourself.
Speaker 6: He's like, that's what you should like. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what I'm just trying to do with these people.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to trying to give you that that sense
Speaker 6: of urgency and wanting to protect yourself.
Speaker 7: I didn't buy it.
Speaker 1: I didn't either.
Speaker 7: I didn't buy it. I thought he was just doing
Speaker 7: this he said. I think when he said it in
Speaker 7: the beginning, he admired the power that his grandfather had
Speaker 7: and that's what he wanted, and he was using Christ
Speaker 7: in the church as a cover up to get power
Speaker 7: from the people. And he was pissed because he was
Speaker 7: losing parishioners. So what do I have to do to
Speaker 7: get more people to worship me?
Speaker 1: Essentially scare them, intimidate them.
Speaker 4: But don't pastors be doing that?
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is, I don't think he believed
Speaker 7: it was for God, and I don't think that he
Speaker 7: was doing it Forgot at all. I don't even think
Speaker 7: he believed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was clever
Speaker 6: writing because I feel like a lot of pastors do that.
Speaker 6: A lot of pastors pick out people, letting them pull
Speaker 6: pit and try to, you know, put fear in them
Speaker 6: and all of that type of stuff. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 6: I think he really this is his way of pastoring
Speaker 6: and he really believes that.
Speaker 3: Speaking of his way of pastoring, the priests goes around
Speaker 3: and we meet the members of his small congregation. Did
Speaker 3: anybody jump out to you Rod? I know you said
Speaker 3: you suspect of every besides her teeth.
Speaker 6: I did like this whole montage of him breaking you
Speaker 6: talking about that part where he was breaking down each
Speaker 6: individual person.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: I thought I was interested seeing Hawkeye and here also
Speaker 6: I was. I was just trying to see what, you know,
Speaker 6: what he was.
Speaker 4: He was the only guy the same thing.
Speaker 1: Y'all gotta watch his TV show. Man's so he's still
Speaker 1: how guy?
Speaker 2: We saw Hawkeye?
Speaker 1: And what was the other person see, I said, Mike,
Speaker 1: but I ain't say no.
Speaker 2: The TV show that he had, I don't know it
Speaker 2: was called Hawkeye.
Speaker 6: Oh yea yeah out now, yeah it's called Mary Kingstown.
Speaker 1: He did he kills it. I saw that. You see
Speaker 1: Mary east Town? You every time?
Speaker 4: Yea, every time?
Speaker 7: I know each other, well, like, sorry, guys.
Speaker 4: But I thought that was interesting. Who else?
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting character?
Speaker 6: He was like the main He's like really the only
Speaker 6: one for me because I wasn't interested in Carrie Washington
Speaker 6: is a vera. It was like, okay, I wasn't interested
Speaker 6: in the in the in the Sun's sigh. Glenn Close,
Speaker 6: I was interested in her, like seeing okay, something with her.
Speaker 6: She running a bit of the bookings. She playing Organs
Speaker 6: and so yeah, Glenn Close. And the guy that place,
Speaker 6: what's his name you gotta play? Jeremy Renner, Jeremy Jeremy Renner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and him.
Speaker 6: They were probably the most interesting ones outside of the
Speaker 6: main cast Judd and and Senior.
Speaker 7: I think this is where they lost me. I was
Speaker 7: not interested in any of these characters at all. None
Speaker 7: of them were interesting. None of them made me think
Speaker 7: that they were like. None of them made me start
Speaker 7: to question who did it? And I think that's where
Speaker 7: the movie felt flat for me.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like who did it at first.
Speaker 7: It's opposed to it's nives out.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: I know that, and I think that I feel you
Speaker 6: what I was gonna say, that's what it is, that's
Speaker 6: the problem, that's what i'm that's what I'm heating to.
Speaker 6: I can understand why you feel that way, because it
Speaker 6: didn't feel like that at first, until like we got
Speaker 6: like midway in, I was like, okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 3: They to pick your back off that point, I was like,
Speaker 3: I thought this was They kind of showed their hand
Speaker 3: a little too quickly. I immediately felt it was something
Speaker 3: with the brother son. I was like, this don't even
Speaker 3: make sense. I did not care the brother Like Kerry
Speaker 3: Washington was raising her son, but it was her brother.
Speaker 7: She thought she always thought it was like her dad.
Speaker 1: Wait, that was Kerry Washington's son.
Speaker 3: She adopted him, she was raising she was raising him
Speaker 3: as her son. Around I was like that don't seem right.
Speaker 3: So I knew that there was more untangled there, gotcha.
Speaker 7: I immediately knew something Martha was up. Something was her.
Speaker 1: A random black couple of black people and this you know,
Speaker 1: something's going on with them.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Glenn Close's character was spent the whole
Speaker 2: movie screaming, which I thought was hilarious, just very over
Speaker 2: the top over time, because they didn't really establish and
Speaker 2: said any motive until later. Yeah, so they took their
Speaker 2: time with that. But uh, none of them stood out
Speaker 2: in the beginning. It was only until later, like the
Speaker 2: guy that was the writer actually became kind of funny
Speaker 2: and interesting. This motherfucker had a molte bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the pointed it. Well, he just didn't
Speaker 3: trust me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he was just paranoid. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: had a fucking empty shell of a night up there.
Speaker 2: So he just became kind of funny.
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to be, like a conspiracy theorist
Speaker 3: Alex Jones type?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, none of these people.
Speaker 3: So after that montage, we learned as the priest tries
Speaker 3: to go put a cross back up there, what happened
Speaker 3: to Montsinger's mother The Harlot whore. Did this story interest
Speaker 3: you'll at all?
Speaker 6: I like the scene of it, Like I like the
Speaker 6: the telling of the story and seeing her go through
Speaker 6: that whole which obviously comes back around later. But no,
Speaker 6: I was interested in that. I was definitely interested in that.
Speaker 6: Seeing her beat that little kid up.
Speaker 2: I was like, she was beat that little kid as.
Speaker 3: Though she seen what she told. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I understand why.
Speaker 4: The perspective was different. They did a good job with that.
Speaker 2: Now I thought it was it was It was actually
Speaker 2: got of dope. What they what he did was kind
Speaker 2: of solid one. Maybe I just right into it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought the story, the telling storytelling aspect of her
Speaker 2: just going through the church, that's creating it, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of how they're presented. At this time, she
Speaker 2: was on the floor kind of crawling. She was moving
Speaker 2: like she was sort of possessed. That was dope.
Speaker 1: That was interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I said, like this whole scene when he
Speaker 6: was telling it, they did a really good job with this.
Speaker 1: So for the lighting and all that which the light.
Speaker 2: Light, it was interesting how we had to go from
Speaker 2: dark cold colors the warm depending on talking and what
Speaker 2: they're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was didn't pick up on that part.
Speaker 2: I didn't care enough about this.
Speaker 6: It's real, Like at first I said, at first I
Speaker 6: thought it was an editing editor era. I was like, wait,
Speaker 6: the lighting is fucked up, Like what is going on?
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that's intentional. I was like, damn,
Speaker 6: that's that's pretty dope. And then you picked And then
Speaker 6: she picked up on it too. She was asking me
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm only dumb as you didn't catch it. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: No this the dumb chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, part where it's warms up and John was
Speaker 2: talking Judd in the movie and uh yeah, whenever ben
Speaker 2: Wall was talking before he came When he came on,
Speaker 2: it was like you could just see it just shift,
Speaker 2: and then when Judge started talking, it started right back up.
Speaker 2: It was really dope, and towards.
Speaker 7: The end it was dope mm hmm. But hindsight, it
Speaker 7: felt very on the nose mm hmmm, because it's like
Speaker 7: Pastor Judd is, like I said, supposed to be. He
Speaker 7: seemed like to be the one person who was sincerely
Speaker 7: tapped into the spirituality and not actually meaning what he said.
Speaker 7: So it's almost like they were trying to get Jesus
Speaker 7: in the room when he was talking. So it's like
Speaker 7: when he did it, like in the moment, it was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 7: that's cool. But then when I think back on it,
Speaker 7: I was like, that's very on the nose.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: What did you guys think about the confessions that he
Speaker 3: was doing with Judd?
Speaker 2: He didn't want to shake his hand, would you know.
Speaker 7: You said you just did that this morning?
Speaker 1: That ship was funny, bro, you'd be okay, like you
Speaker 1: you imagine he's washed his hands since then and what
Speaker 1: you would hope and it's like catholic colme, it's probably
Speaker 1: not super dirt.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't even know what to say that.
Speaker 2: So so the question I have.
Speaker 1: Is, was just fucking with it he established because later
Speaker 1: operation where.
Speaker 2: You can't even that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's so why was he with him? Like did he
Speaker 1: think he just tested it?
Speaker 2: Didn't like he liked his ass, like he was trying
Speaker 2: to intimidate him.
Speaker 3: He came about to take his church, he thought, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: So he was just like, yeah, busting his balls the
Speaker 6: whole time. Yeah, but I ain't know is crazy.
Speaker 3: So after after all of the confessions or whatever, he did.
Speaker 3: He finally called him out on him and he called
Speaker 3: out his preaching style. That's when he beat him up.
Speaker 3: Like what you were talking about?
Speaker 1: Rod? What y'all think about that?
Speaker 7: Can we go back? Has have we met Martha and
Speaker 7: Samson at this point? Is Martha a nun? Because she's
Speaker 7: not supposed to be sucking?
Speaker 2: Is she?
Speaker 1: Which was Martha? I don't think she was just working.
Speaker 7: Okay, because when he's left on the ass, I'm like,
Speaker 7: wait a minute, what is going on? Right? But I'm
Speaker 7: like like, oh, but we're just all out with it,
Speaker 7: Like I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I don't think that was all out. He's just so
Speaker 4: having to see it okay.
Speaker 7: But he was like, my sweet Martha, I would do
Speaker 7: so it's clear that they're in a relationship, and so
Speaker 7: I just I didn't understand it at this point. I
Speaker 7: didn't understand the dynamics that.
Speaker 2: Was going on.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's all.
Speaker 2: Well. I think the because he had this was when
Speaker 2: he was talking about mon SoRs style and he was
Speaker 2: up there just intentionally going.
Speaker 1: At groups trying to get a walk out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was driving trying to drive home a wedge.
Speaker 2: It's almost like he was trying to drive all of
Speaker 2: them out, but the ones that stayed were I guess
Speaker 2: as he was presenting is like, you know, these are
Speaker 2: the ones that are heard and they're tough. But the
Speaker 2: way I look at it was like, Bro, he really
Speaker 2: don't want to do this, which is why he's trying
Speaker 2: to get people out of the room so he don't
Speaker 2: have to do it. And he's being deliberate in some
Speaker 2: of the messaging that he's saying, because you know, he
Speaker 2: just over this ship, so.
Speaker 3: To jump a little bit ahead. He You think he
Speaker 3: was preaching that way because he had the jewel.
Speaker 1: He didn't have it then, Yeah, he didn't have it.
Speaker 4: I think it was the whole time later.
Speaker 2: I think he was just over the ship. Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why he was the gay. They got up and
Speaker 2: left the mom and then yeah, single mother got up left. Bro,
Speaker 2: he was going and he was looking right at him.
Speaker 1: He didn't understand this part at all. Why was he
Speaker 1: trying to drive all of them out when you say
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do it anymore? I don't get it,
Speaker 1: because like Catholics will just yank your ship out and
Speaker 1: then send somebody else over there.
Speaker 2: If you're doing a bad job? So why was he
Speaker 2: trying to They if I remember, for actually Jeffrey Wright
Speaker 2: knew he was doing a bad job because they said
Speaker 2: he I forgot.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 2: He was intentionally doing a bad job. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Why was he intentionally doing a bad job?
Speaker 7: That's what I didn't understand either.
Speaker 2: I don't think he wanted to. I don't think he
Speaker 2: wanted to preach anymore. Then why didn't he just step down?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that he wanted to get kicked out,
Speaker 3: and I thought that he always had the jewel.
Speaker 7: I don't but none of that, All of that seemed
Speaker 7: to be completely contradictory to what it was that it
Speaker 7: seemed like he wanted. I really didn't understand what his
Speaker 7: issue was because I thought that he wanted Yeah, I
Speaker 7: thought that he wanted people in the church, and he
Speaker 7: wanted people to he wanted the power that came with
Speaker 7: being a pastor. But you're going about it by like
Speaker 7: you are you trying to get people that you know
Speaker 7: you can insult and they'll still stick around. I just
Speaker 7: didn't understand.
Speaker 1: I was the same.
Speaker 2: You think he's only one of a certain group of
Speaker 2: people Yeah, he only wanted a certain kind of person
Speaker 2: to be no single mothers, no whatever whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he wanted a certain type of follower.
Speaker 6: And he's like, if they if they follow my my
Speaker 6: preachings or whatever, that that will be they'll be so committed,
Speaker 6: like they'll do anything for me.
Speaker 4: I got so so yeah, it started like that or whatnot.
Speaker 6: So it changed once he got the information about the diamond,
Speaker 6: because now he's just like, well, I don't need this
Speaker 6: it anyway, you know what I'm saying, All y'all can go,
Speaker 6: because I'm gonna be well off with the diamond.
Speaker 1: So he knew about the diamond when he was telling you,
Speaker 1: like the right, that's what I thought he didn't know yet.
Speaker 1: So okay, So even if he was, what you say,
Speaker 1: party you confused about all of it. Still, So if
Speaker 1: he was, if he was intentionally kicking those people out
Speaker 1: prior to knowing about the diamond, it kind of showed
Speaker 1: that there was barely anybody left in his church. So
Speaker 1: my point is, if he wants the power, which he's
Speaker 1: kind of saying he does, he wants this power, he
Speaker 1: wants this respect by fear, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: The way I understand Catholics is they will yank your
Speaker 1: ass out of there and just move you to a
Speaker 1: different church if you're doing that bad a job. So
Speaker 1: I'm confused about why he was why he was trying
Speaker 1: to reduce his church down to like five people.
Speaker 6: I guess they didn't want it to be a hostel takeover.
Speaker 6: I guess that's what what he while he sent Jude
Speaker 6: and Judd down there to see what was going on
Speaker 6: and get him out of here or whatever. So I
Speaker 6: guess they wanted to be like a smoother transition, because
Speaker 6: that's essentially what he came down there for.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, So I get why they sent Judd.
Speaker 1: I just don't get why Mon Senior was doing what
Speaker 1: he was doing because I think he again, I think
Speaker 1: he wants a certain type of follower, So you don't
Speaker 1: five people in his church.
Speaker 4: No, no, No, I don't think he wants just five people.
Speaker 6: I think he's like, if they can't take the heat
Speaker 6: of him going at them, they're not They're not the
Speaker 6: type of type of congregation he wants.
Speaker 1: But doing what he did.
Speaker 2: The opportunity to get you're not going to get people.
Speaker 1: There, right, That's the thing. Like there was a scene
Speaker 1: where I think it was when the gay couple walked
Speaker 1: out and it showed how many people were left in
Speaker 1: the church, and it was very few. It was just
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So if he was intentionally doing that,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why, because you only have like ten
Speaker 1: people there, so it's like, how do you expect to
Speaker 1: get new people that you can I don't know. It
Speaker 1: just seems weird.
Speaker 2: No, I feel you.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Well, speaking of the loyalty to Monsieur, Judd
Speaker 3: tries to have a Bible study meeting. The whole congregation
Speaker 3: is paranoid on whether they told he told Jude told
Speaker 3: Monsieur or not.
Speaker 6: Did y'all like this? I did like this. It's like,
Speaker 6: so he not coming? Does he know about it? So
Speaker 6: you haven't told him? And he respects and he responded
Speaker 6: the way that you would expect him respond by this
Speaker 6: time of the movie, Ken, did you take anything from this?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing so I get it, but he
Speaker 2: I get why he was doing it because he was concerned.
Speaker 2: But also these people, after hearing the way he was
Speaker 2: preaching and they're still around, have express loyalty to this guy.
Speaker 2: So to try to go behind his back to do this.
Speaker 2: He should have known that wasn't gonna go well.
Speaker 7: Trying to watch this part three times, I fell asleep.
Speaker 7: I fell asleep for like ten minutes each time I'm watching.
Speaker 7: It was during this.
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Speaker 3: So Mantier has a meeting that Joe walks in on
Speaker 3: and when he walks in he throws a Bible. But
Speaker 3: when he walks in he did here we don't know
Speaker 3: the whole conversation yet. You said this is the part
Speaker 3: to woke you up. Then what did you like about it?
Speaker 7: I liked it. I just this is why I wake up.
Speaker 7: But it was I mean, it was funny him throwing
Speaker 7: the Bible at him.
Speaker 1: That's all, Rod, what'd you think?
Speaker 2: I thought?
Speaker 6: This is interesting. You know they have they're having their
Speaker 6: own meeting about him. Especially was revealed later what the
Speaker 6: meeting was actually about, but it sounded like they were,
Speaker 6: you know, talking shit about Judd or whatever, when essentially
Speaker 6: that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the moment, yeah, I liked I liked it.
Speaker 3: I like what it do with it Later, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: like the context that they gave it later. Can did
Speaker 3: it work for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, I think and how they
Speaker 2: were setting everything up, Yeah, I mean it was a misdirect,
Speaker 2: but it also showed that Joe was willing to fight
Speaker 2: for what they believed in, like you know, it's values
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and its attempt to save the
Speaker 2: city of them from monseignor. So yeah, yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: it worked all right.
Speaker 3: So we get to the who done it part of it.
Speaker 3: During a Good Friday service, Wick died suddenly in the
Speaker 3: storage closet in Little pool Pit. He was stabbed in
Speaker 3: the back with a knife took from the Devil's head lap.
Speaker 3: Judd previously stole it from the bar we saw and
Speaker 3: then through the church window the evidence is thrown.
Speaker 1: Well, he's killed.
Speaker 3: Right there in the closet. What did y'all think? Who's
Speaker 3: y'all think done it? Did you have any theories when
Speaker 3: you first? Did you care?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I definitely had. At first, I was just like, damn,
Speaker 1: how the hell that happened?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, because it just seemed like impossible, right,
Speaker 6: But then you started looking at the scene, and then
Speaker 6: you started looking at the series of events.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, when he when?
Speaker 6: So Yeah, Unfortunately I kind of had an idea of
Speaker 6: who did it?
Speaker 4: Was that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was right. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I thought I thought it was Hawk guy because he
Speaker 6: was the only one like, don't touch that, and he
Speaker 6: walked over there, and then yeah, yeah, it was just
Speaker 6: like it gotta be He's the only one that got
Speaker 6: close to him outside the judge, so it has to
Speaker 6: be him. Now, the part that I didn't know is
Speaker 6: the is the Glenn close and her involvement in it all.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how I didn't know that part because
Speaker 6: I can't say that wasn't revealed. But the only part
Speaker 6: that's revealed is we see uh ikeep calling them hawk
Speaker 6: ey because I can't remember his name. Nick, yeah's doctor Nick.
Speaker 6: We see him going there and tell him, like I said,
Speaker 6: don't touch it, and I'm like, yeah, he's him, you.
Speaker 4: Gotta be him.
Speaker 7: Yeah see. And the only thing that I took from
Speaker 7: it is that Glenn Close had something to do with
Speaker 7: because the way she fell out on that cross like oh,
Speaker 7: I got and I was like she some yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely suspected she because she was
Speaker 2: just yeah, being too much.
Speaker 3: They did some camera stuff, I feel like, to make
Speaker 3: us think it was her, like they would linger on
Speaker 3: her for a while show face.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: There was also something else that happened, which we'll get to,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: But the thing about doctor nat is that you know
Speaker 2: you you you sit here, because it was like, wait,
Speaker 2: how the fuck they kill him? Because that place is
Speaker 2: completely sealed? So how did that happen? How he did it?
Speaker 2: I know, I said I, but I asked myself. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's stupid for you to sit here
Speaker 2: and say, hey, don't touch anything, Yet you went in
Speaker 2: there and touched it, Like it didn't make any sense
Speaker 2: the directions he were given.
Speaker 3: I'm a doctor, though I know you might miss something up.
Speaker 1: That's how.
Speaker 2: Right. It didn't make any sense. It didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It was his destruction. But but nah, I still love
Speaker 2: the miss three of it all was like yo, like
Speaker 2: what in the hell and how in the hell did
Speaker 2: any of this happen?
Speaker 4: That's what I will say.
Speaker 6: Even though I had my suspicions, I still didn't know
Speaker 6: for sure. So it's still I think they did a
Speaker 6: good job and still making me kind of second guess.
Speaker 4: Okay, who did this?
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with the other movies how they go
Speaker 3: did y'all any point in time? Because I did not
Speaker 3: seeing him suspect that Judd might have do it.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing that they fucked up with this
Speaker 1: film is they made it very obvious that Judd did
Speaker 1: not know, and then they spent the rest of the
Speaker 1: film with everybody blaming Judge.
Speaker 2: It might have been.
Speaker 1: Cooler if we started to doubt if Judd actually.
Speaker 2: A little bit wow because he was the last one
Speaker 2: to come out, because that was the only thing that
Speaker 2: they showed him suspicion.
Speaker 1: We hear him fall and then we see Judd walking there,
Speaker 1: So we already knew that Judd didn't do it. But
Speaker 1: that's why, right, well you know about the spiked drink
Speaker 1: until way later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did. Dudes like they probably I didn't
Speaker 2: know he drunk someone. I said, no, no way, he really
Speaker 2: in his fucking detective vote oh Ken, what else? Starre
Speaker 2: watching it? Because that's the movie going like how the
Speaker 2: fuck did When they start to kind of walk through
Speaker 2: different like scenarios, I'm like, how the fuck did they
Speaker 2: do this? So as as it went on and they
Speaker 2: started kind of revealed certain things, I said, the only
Speaker 2: thing that makes sense is he was because I didn't
Speaker 2: know he had a flask in there. I was like,
Speaker 2: they had to have given him something prior to and
Speaker 2: then by the time he walked in, he just fell
Speaker 2: out and then somebody committed it then. But I still
Speaker 2: was like clueless as to all of the x's and
Speaker 2: o's of everything, but for him to fall out with
Speaker 2: nothing being in there, I said, that was the only
Speaker 2: thing that was left. So but I think they were
Speaker 2: slick and saying that. I walked out later with everybody else,
Speaker 2: we didn't know why. And then they, to your point,
Speaker 2: they removed that from the equation. They were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's not involved at all, but I'm with you. They
Speaker 2: completely just like XD out, judge, Judd is not involved.
Speaker 2: But what I liked what they did though, is that
Speaker 2: everybody was outside when he fell out, so by the time,
Speaker 2: so including just so you look at Jared, it was
Speaker 2: not involved because but then you look and you see, well,
Speaker 2: everybody's out there, So who the killed this man? If
Speaker 2: everybody's outside of the area where he died.
Speaker 1: I just kept as simming there was a trap door
Speaker 1: or something, that's what.
Speaker 4: And then they took that.
Speaker 1: That was like most of the movie.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, let's go, where's the trap door?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have been too easy.
Speaker 3: Damn speaking of trapdoors.
Speaker 1: Your simple, but you didn't write it.
Speaker 3: So after this happens, the police chief Geraldine Scott. They
Speaker 3: suspect Judd, as we've been saying, but Jeredine Scott brings
Speaker 3: him private detective benuoit Blanc. Whah, all right, he comes
Speaker 3: in to investigate the death and he has Judd assist him.
Speaker 1: Was it strange to y'all.
Speaker 6: No, because that's kind of how he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is how he is in each movie and he
Speaker 6: does a good job to.
Speaker 2: Me for me. Yeah, and I think he even spelled
Speaker 2: out the reasons why he decided to work for him,
Speaker 2: you know, because he was like, yeah, you're your guilt
Speaker 2: is a different type of guilt. So I know you're
Speaker 2: not involved. You ain't do this shit, but you can
Speaker 2: help me find out who did it. So Block says,
Speaker 2: this is the perfect murder. He quotes a book, The
Speaker 2: Invincible Man says it has all the plots and themes
Speaker 2: of it. And he also has the summer reading church.
Speaker 3: List, which was basically, he said, a syllabus to commit
Speaker 3: this murder, which is interesting to you at all. No,
Speaker 3: I ain't half the damn books anyway. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I believe you, mister Daniel Craig. But other than that, all.
Speaker 7: Right, See at this point, I appreciate y'all's enthusiasm, but
Speaker 7: I don't really care who killed.
Speaker 3: Him, right, like, and what got you out of it?
Speaker 7: Like I said, I think the cat like the characters like,
Speaker 7: I don't care. I don't I don't care about anybody's motives,
Speaker 7: like they didn't make this person my senior. Although Josh
Speaker 7: Brolin's a great actor, I didn't feel attached to this
Speaker 7: character at all enough to care. There was nothing about
Speaker 7: anything he was doing that made me happy, Like I don't.
Speaker 7: I was indifferent about his death. There was nothing attached
Speaker 7: to his death that I knew anybody was gonna get
Speaker 7: until later on and we please hear about the diamond.
Speaker 7: There's nothing about this death that makes me care who
Speaker 7: died who did it? So, and then there's nothing about
Speaker 7: the characters that you've introduced to me to make me
Speaker 7: invested in whether or not they killed him. So I
Speaker 7: feel like there, like I said, the introduction of the
Speaker 7: character has killed it for me, and I'm still I'm
Speaker 7: I'm they never get me back.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get behind caring about who killed a
Speaker 1: bad guy, and especially like if everybody else is bland
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, I'm really don't care who killed
Speaker 1: the bad guy. It's like, what difference does it mean.
Speaker 7: Unless somebody has something to gain from his unless all
Speaker 7: these characters had something to gain from his death that
Speaker 7: I wanted them to get, right, But there's nothing attached
Speaker 7: to his death to make me really give any care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even when they do finally reveal, it was
Speaker 1: still just like, really, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's dumb.
Speaker 7: The diamond or stone, diamond, brother Son, the like. None
Speaker 7: of this, none of this meant anything to the characters
Speaker 7: to me, and none of this meant anything about this
Speaker 7: broader theme of spirituality in God or anything. None of
Speaker 7: that was linked in it to me, So I didn't
Speaker 7: The story is really weak to me, ken what you think.
Speaker 2: For me, it's less about the stories of the characters.
Speaker 2: It's more about me actively trying to solve.
Speaker 1: I can see that that's probably fun trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out, but it wasn't fun for me because it
Speaker 1: was just like care, I just I didn't care, and
Speaker 1: I just found a lot of the dialogue boring. So
Speaker 1: it was just like this felt a little tarantino ish
Speaker 1: and the fact that it's like brother, there's so much
Speaker 1: dialogue here, and I don't give a fuck about nothing
Speaker 1: yeall are saying.
Speaker 3: I thought the son did it. It just seemed weird
Speaker 3: to me, And it just.
Speaker 1: I never thought it was him. That's the I think
Speaker 1: that would have been too easy because he was probably
Speaker 1: he was probably would have been the one that everyone
Speaker 1: assumed it was because he was kind of an asshole
Speaker 1: and black. Well yeah, logic.
Speaker 3: Ish, Well, I say, the son that they during their investigation, Uh,
Speaker 3: they do figure out that the brother son that we've
Speaker 3: been calling him, he's actually son of mine. Singor did
Speaker 3: this reveal do anything for you? Was just did they
Speaker 3: hit for you?
Speaker 2: Ron? No? No, I don't think that revealed.
Speaker 3: But that also led to the conversation that he had
Speaker 3: that he walked in or did you walked in earlier?
Speaker 4: That was more interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, So now to the part where he's found out
Speaker 3: he has a diamond by this point, right, because he's
Speaker 3: talking crazy to them trying to get through the league.
Speaker 3: He got the diamond by this point, and he's telling them,
Speaker 3: i'mona exposed all y'all, bitch I got I got profiles
Speaker 3: on all you.
Speaker 1: So now all of them have a motive.
Speaker 3: Did this make it any more interesting to you, Mike
Speaker 3: than now that everybody has a motive to kill him
Speaker 3: because he's threatened to expose him.
Speaker 1: Not at all, because they've already established that he's a dicky.
Speaker 1: So this scene didn't add or take away anything as
Speaker 1: far as someone having a motive. Even if they took
Speaker 1: this scene out, it was just like they don't like
Speaker 1: him because he's a fucking dick. But of course they
Speaker 1: who liked him, they just dealt with him. They didn't
Speaker 1: like him at least I didn't think that they.
Speaker 4: Were loyal to him.
Speaker 2: That don't you like somebody does not like him.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it doesn't mean that, but but it does
Speaker 6: showed like, okay, well they're not to be loyal anymore.
Speaker 7: Well, this is the The semi interesting thing about the
Speaker 7: story to me was just how it was all. It
Speaker 7: was all transactional relationships in there, right, everybody wanted something
Speaker 7: from my Senior, and Manya Senior wanted them to want him,
Speaker 7: want something from him. So you got the girl in
Speaker 7: the wheelchair who's tried to buy her healing. Now Vera
Speaker 7: is there simply because it was obligation put on her
Speaker 7: from her father. But you have the hypocrisy between what
Speaker 7: he's called his the Harlot whore, and what he's done.
Speaker 7: And so it's like there was a lot that was
Speaker 7: revealed in there, but none of it seemed to stick.
Speaker 2: It didn't really go anywhere. I think it was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's give everybody a motive so we can get to
Speaker 2: the next part of the story.
Speaker 6: He really didn't even have Wolf Glenn close though he
Speaker 6: slipped over her and the sign he did yeah you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well he didn't say any thing for her. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh he said, I was he say anything
Speaker 2: for her? So that's interesting. So that's when she moved
Speaker 2: up the list.
Speaker 7: For me, I was like, she was the only one
Speaker 7: who was like blindly faithful to him. There was nothing
Speaker 7: that she was getting, Like she'd been there since she
Speaker 7: was a kid. So I was waiting for them to
Speaker 7: like kind of give us some sort of like understanding
Speaker 7: of like why she's stuck around for as long as
Speaker 7: she has and why she's done everything in the church.
Speaker 7: But she was the only one out of all of
Speaker 7: them who just like blindly was following him without any
Speaker 7: any any expectation of anything.
Speaker 2: And this was right around the time where I was like,
Speaker 2: oh he it for me. It felt like more confirmation
Speaker 2: that he didn't really want to do this ship at all,
Speaker 2: because soon he got a way out with the money,
Speaker 2: he was like, well, fuck all this shit, I'm out
Speaker 2: of here. So and yeah, and then that's when side
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you need to burn everybody on your
Speaker 2: way out.
Speaker 3: His son was a piece of shit. He gave me advice,
Speaker 3: yeah and everything.
Speaker 4: When he said I'll probably post it anywhere.
Speaker 2: Recordings.
Speaker 3: So what happens during their investigation, Judd eventually gets tired
Speaker 3: of the ship from blank, we can't figure this out,
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do it, storms off into the rainy night,
Speaker 3: and sees sees him come out of the mausoleum as
Speaker 3: if he's being resurrected by.
Speaker 1: I perked up. Then, boy, Jesus bro I was like
Speaker 1: this delight said he didn't get y'all for a hot set.
Speaker 2: I did wonder. I wondered how he did.
Speaker 4: I was like, he gotta be so he in on it.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That's what I thought too. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, either he came back to life or
Speaker 1: he wasn't really dead.
Speaker 7: That's what I figured. He faked his death. Yeah, they
Speaker 7: gave him some medication or something to make it it
Speaker 7: seem like his heart stopped or something.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 7: Jesus had a bunch of shake.
Speaker 1: That money.
Speaker 2: They would have had to pay off everybody in involved
Speaker 2: in this, the whole town.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought he came back to life.
Speaker 7: So the hell what you thought he really was Jesus?
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he was Jesus, but he was
Speaker 1: Jesus is like, where they taking this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like, where are they going with this? He's
Speaker 1: back to life, remember.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I got confused, to be honest with you, and I
Speaker 3: think I'm still so the who was in the mausoleum?
Speaker 2: That was? That was the groundskeeper guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't show facing. Okay, they show.
Speaker 1: They had to spell it out.
Speaker 6: For me too, but I mean somewhere and I was like, wait,
Speaker 6: what's happening there?
Speaker 1: So that was the real body. It was in the mausoleum,
Speaker 1: It was in.
Speaker 2: The office, a part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I told you so.
Speaker 2: None of that way, Mike. I think they did a
Speaker 2: good job of sound doubt. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I was like, I refuse to believe this ship that
Speaker 2: they're trying to tell me. Because I saw a dead
Speaker 2: body and I saw them flip that dead body over
Speaker 2: in pink.
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way in hell that man is
Speaker 1: still alive. I thought maybe he had a twin or something.
Speaker 1: I never thought it was the groundskeeper guy. I thought
Speaker 1: it was either him. I thought that the store was
Speaker 1: gonna be a little more interesting than it was, just
Speaker 1: like some dude.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a groundskeeper guy. But I
Speaker 2: was like, I know it ain't him. It was it
Speaker 2: wasn't him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past into the house. How what
Speaker 1: how did his body get to the doctorhouse? They man?
Speaker 7: So doctor Nick killed? Wait a minute, how did he
Speaker 7: get to the doctor.
Speaker 1: The pancake?
Speaker 2: That was what was then?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm with him.
Speaker 1: I thought they showed him. You can't take a dead
Speaker 1: body out the more.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no. So it was after the door,
Speaker 6: so they put him. They showed a clip where they
Speaker 6: put Monster Senior under the coffin. So nobody at first,
Speaker 6: like while the other guy came out, and I think
Speaker 6: they got him at some point.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've.
Speaker 1: Shown Okay, okay, they did show that because he was
Speaker 1: making a wooden coffin.
Speaker 7: Thank you, because I was.
Speaker 3: Like something was missing for me, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I did not she had this happen, all right?
Speaker 4: We saw how she got his hand down the stairs.
Speaker 2: Oh that was.
Speaker 7: That was on the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a big guy, all right, So the whole thing happened.
Speaker 3: Blunk stopped Judd from turning himself in and then he
Speaker 3: noticed something missing from the bar.
Speaker 1: They go to the bar.
Speaker 3: He do the picture thing, bar picture thing, did y'all
Speaker 3: get anything from that's what.
Speaker 4: You watch again?
Speaker 2: It just gave gave me.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's probably the doctor.
Speaker 3: This is the point, you know, is the doctor with
Speaker 3: the bad sitting there and they talking to him hiding
Speaker 3: in the back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's.
Speaker 6: Just too much, y'all. Y'all gave too much. Y'all, Like
Speaker 6: might say, y'all showed y'all hand.
Speaker 1: Mike said that this movie was about forty minutes too long.
Speaker 7: You could have took a good hour out of this.
Speaker 3: It was about it was like, it was a good
Speaker 3: forty minute stretch. It's like, bro, come on, like y'all dragging,
Speaker 3: y'all dragged.
Speaker 4: Y'all was just sleepy.
Speaker 1: I wasn't so the Doubles didn't like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Two devilheads and all that, and him showing the picture
Speaker 1: and all this. It was like, bro, this is this
Speaker 1: would need to be a much more interesting murder for
Speaker 1: me to care about these pictures and ship interesting. I
Speaker 1: thought it was so blocking. Judd figured out.
Speaker 3: They go to the doctor's house and they find his
Speaker 3: corpse dissolving in a tub of acid alongside Wick's body.
Speaker 2: I still don't get this.
Speaker 1: What you mean, so I know Glenn Close obviously put
Speaker 1: him or set him up like that, but for what.
Speaker 7: So because he had the diamond, she knew he had
Speaker 7: the diamond, right, so she was trying. She knew that
Speaker 7: he was going to try to kill her eventually, right
Speaker 7: because her and Samson were the only ones who knew
Speaker 7: about the diamond. So ultimately he wasn't going to kill her.
Speaker 1: It's about Nick. Yeah, Yeah, I knew why she killed Nick.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I didn't understand why she set
Speaker 1: the body of Monsignor up like he was choking Nick
Speaker 1: and then put the acid in there.
Speaker 2: That hard lost me.
Speaker 1: She wants to seem like he actually did come back
Speaker 1: to life. I got that too, but she was trying
Speaker 1: to make it seem like he rose from the dead,
Speaker 1: came back down there, killed Hawkeye, and then somehow turned
Speaker 1: the acid on himself and dissolved his own arms. Like
Speaker 1: I was so confused.
Speaker 2: You're starting to ask logical questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that wrong in this Yes, it seems like
Speaker 1: that that detective would have pointed that out though, like.
Speaker 3: About Yes, as thorough as Blanc was, he would have
Speaker 3: been like what Mike said, like, well, how the fuck,
Speaker 3: why would he stick his hands right?
Speaker 2: He didn't believe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why would Glenn Close think that that made sense?
Speaker 2: It's really where I was stopping at. Oh, well they're
Speaker 2: not that smart. Well yeah, there's that, but I can
Speaker 2: see somebody that doesn't, that has never committed the crime before,
Speaker 2: not thinking that all the way through.
Speaker 1: But who then? Who turned the acid on? Why wouldn't mind.
Speaker 2: Eaten by acid?
Speaker 7: Like would that actually kill you? Would stop your heart?
Speaker 2: Or you just well pull.
Speaker 1: Your arms back?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the whole you know, I guess, as they
Speaker 2: said later, the whole idea was when she was explaining,
Speaker 2: was he was supposed to rise and die again, so
Speaker 2: then that was supposed to be him. Just now why
Speaker 2: she would think that?
Speaker 7: So he just assented to heaven at this point?
Speaker 2: This is this is what was the motive for him
Speaker 2: coming back to kill doctor Nick. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know why that was. I think for me, the
Speaker 2: part that I was questioned thing was how did you
Speaker 2: know the switch to coffees?
Speaker 4: She said, But I don't Knowmber what she said?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he never.
Speaker 2: Gave a hint until he sat down and she started saying.
Speaker 1: She said she suspected she even got there, right, she
Speaker 1: said she thought he was going to try to kill
Speaker 1: her anyway, right.
Speaker 7: So if I know you're gonna kill me, I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna drink anything you give you.
Speaker 1: And they already played the trick with mon Signior with
Speaker 1: the coffee or with the with the flask, so maybe
Speaker 1: she just assumed he would do the same trick.
Speaker 2: So she just guessed.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess she was just like, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: take it. The chances that I'm not going to take it.
Speaker 1: The chances move, but then I'm gonna throw you in
Speaker 1: this acid thing. I just don't I don't understand with
Speaker 1: The following.
Speaker 3: Morning, the police and the congregation convened the church for
Speaker 3: judge confession, only for Blant to explain how it was
Speaker 3: that that killed Wicks. Well, actually he didn't tell him
Speaker 3: who did it? Did he don't remember?
Speaker 7: Well he told him he said he can't solve it
Speaker 7: or something he.
Speaker 2: Didn't want to opted something like that.
Speaker 1: Like that. That was funny, everybody, Yeah, that ship was funny.
Speaker 3: So him going through the whole spiel talking about how
Speaker 3: the murder went and then saying, but I can't tell y'all.
Speaker 1: I was like man, this is fucking stupid ass movie.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I did, because it was like it was
Speaker 6: like a full circle moment, like like allowing her to
Speaker 6: confess her sins and be be.
Speaker 2: And be resolved.
Speaker 1: But that was dumb too, wasn't it, Because why would
Speaker 1: she tell the the dude that, why would she actually
Speaker 1: admit that she knew about anything? Because like she told
Speaker 1: on herself, but she hadn't told on herself that none
Speaker 1: of this, no one would have ever traced anything back
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: But she was done with that part. She was just like,
Speaker 6: you know what I need. I need to tell the truth.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: She wanted to really come off as a woman of God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she took before that because she gave she gave
Speaker 1: a confession.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a confession of that. Yeah, that was
Speaker 6: a confession about the diamond.
Speaker 1: Right, Why would she even do that? That didn't make
Speaker 1: any sense to me because he challenged her, Yeah, reason
Speaker 1: to do it? That's stupid.
Speaker 3: He was challenging her faith. He would challenge her faith.
Speaker 3: He was like, you can't go in there and tell
Speaker 3: the truth. You're not that faithful to God.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and so yeah, yeah, yeah, this was a
Speaker 1: big bucket of bugs.
Speaker 7: And I can't remember does she take the stuff?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 7: Does she kill herself? So I know I'm finna die.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you all I did so I can
Speaker 7: go to heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy, So you just kill somebody and now you
Speaker 2: get to get out of hell free guard. Isn't that
Speaker 2: the way it works? I know? But it's just like
Speaker 2: I didn't like this part. Is like, Okay, well she's
Speaker 2: gonna get a free pass.
Speaker 1: Like she still she still died.
Speaker 6: She thought she was doing it for good reason though,
Speaker 6: but realized she did it with hatred.
Speaker 3: And what was she gonna do with the jewel? She
Speaker 3: was gonna said, she was gonna throw it away. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she didn't care about the jew that's the thing.
Speaker 4: She didn't want the.
Speaker 2: Even apple out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she just didn't want it to be you know,
Speaker 6: it was doing in the church, is what she said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing back into the religious aspect of it, I
Speaker 2: guess Block who didn't believe in religion decided to give
Speaker 2: somebody that did an opportunity to get right with God.
Speaker 1: And that was another another time they used to like
Speaker 1: it very dramatically.
Speaker 2: This time I feel like it was didn't catch it
Speaker 2: this part was.
Speaker 3: The explanation was to it was too like, I didn't
Speaker 3: need recalling him going through it did her confession. I
Speaker 3: didn't need it was it was lasted like twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: It was confession.
Speaker 2: It was different from the other movie. So I'm okay
Speaker 2: with the switch up. Yes, I've seen the other one side.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm kind of well. I appreciate it, and I
Speaker 7: liked the spirituality aspect of it. I do felt like, again,
Speaker 7: this is a sign of a weak story if you
Speaker 7: have to have somebody give all of this like this much.
Speaker 1: I pick up none of this during the whole movie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't look at it as a weak story.
Speaker 6: I just look at it like just a different way
Speaker 6: of telling the story, because I do like because they
Speaker 6: could have.
Speaker 7: Been telling it, not telling it the whole hour before.
Speaker 1: People do that all the time, but it's always bad.
Speaker 1: It's bad.
Speaker 3: But when you purposely deceived the audience versus letting us
Speaker 3: guess wrong.
Speaker 1: But they always Yeah, purposely deceiving an audience is okay,
Speaker 1: I think. But it was just this whole movie, there
Speaker 1: was zero that would have given us an indication of
Speaker 1: what happened. And that's another reason I didn't like this.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, all of this is completely fucking plausible,
Speaker 1: and then you had to explain it all because you
Speaker 1: knew it was implausible. You had to explain Glenn close
Speaker 1: part right, that was the main party because I have
Speaker 1: my dumb ass. I really did not think ever that
Speaker 1: she he planned for the guy to get up and
Speaker 1: fake resurrection all that ship. And it was just like
Speaker 1: man because she read some books.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if they would have had enough to have been
Speaker 7: able to put half of what going close.
Speaker 6: Together though, he just gave her opportunity to explain it.
Speaker 7: I mean, but give me explained my perspective or my
Speaker 7: reasoning or why, but not the whole not her get
Speaker 7: like the whole story, Like just say this is why why.
Speaker 7: I felt like I needed to.
Speaker 2: Do the why versus that would have been more interesting.
Speaker 6: I liked this part because they do that, and they
Speaker 6: did that in the other two movies. This one he
Speaker 6: allowed her the opportunity to confess it, which still ruins
Speaker 6: his reputation.
Speaker 4: So it's like he he put his reputation on the line.
Speaker 6: By saying he couldn't solve it in order to allow
Speaker 6: her to confess her sins and That's what I liked
Speaker 6: about it, because you remember in the movie he was
Speaker 6: just like, oh man, this is the greatest case. If
Speaker 6: I saw this one, i'd be such and such. But
Speaker 6: he he was just like, you know what, what's more
Speaker 6: important is her relieving herself.
Speaker 1: Since that's pretty dumb.
Speaker 2: Too if he doesn't even believe in religion.
Speaker 7: No, but I do with him not believing in religion.
Speaker 7: But and I think that was to Pastor Judge like
Speaker 7: innocence and sincerity, like because he said, like, you are
Speaker 7: a good pastor, because you even got me to buy
Speaker 7: into it. So I think that was kind of speaking
Speaker 7: to who Pastor Judd actually was to this congregation and
Speaker 7: like her at the insaying you really are a good
Speaker 7: pastor or whatever. So I felt I did feel that aspect.
Speaker 7: I just felt like it was too long to.
Speaker 1: Those I just meant more so it was I thought
Speaker 1: it was stupid that he would put his reputation on
Speaker 1: the line for this woman that he doesn't know and
Speaker 1: for her to get right with God.
Speaker 2: It just seems really stupid.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just keep your reputation and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I've solved it.
Speaker 2: I know what happened, and here.
Speaker 1: It is especially when in God. Anyway, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He didn't believe it anyway. So it's like what because
Speaker 1: he really like he liked Judd, but that it only
Speaker 1: helped Glenn Close.
Speaker 7: But but because of that Judd the confession, jud had
Speaker 7: to take the confession, not.
Speaker 2: Him, And maybe he saw how Judd handled the lady
Speaker 2: earlier the Who's a Mom died. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like he thought that Judd was losing faith
Speaker 3: in his religion, so he wanted to help him, reassure
Speaker 3: him to do what he's doing.
Speaker 6: This is he said. He said, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Going through He's like, do what you do.
Speaker 1: Care about the person he just met.
Speaker 2: This motherfucker. You're trying to solve a crime. Really, but
Speaker 2: he saw it.
Speaker 1: That's he saw him losing his faith and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: he wanted to take.
Speaker 6: The case because he saw it, and he was like, man,
Speaker 6: this is an innocent man. Let me let me save this.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not what I'm questioning him solving the case.
Speaker 1: I get that part. It was the end the way
Speaker 1: he was just like, Okay, I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: Glenn Close, go give all of your details to him
Speaker 1: because I think he's losing his faith. That just seems dumb.
Speaker 4: Trying to He did say the mask.
Speaker 7: He's having a glimmer of he's actually starting to believe
Speaker 7: in the faith, Like his faith is actually changing through
Speaker 7: all of this, which is why.
Speaker 4: Yes, he says it.
Speaker 1: That makes me this like way more want to get
Speaker 1: God from this. This is what made me.
Speaker 2: Remember he walked out and he was like, nood, I'm good,
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 1: It's just good you know that Ryan Johnson can't do
Speaker 1: ship right, including Star Wars. It's just good to know
Speaker 1: that this motherfucker Star Wars. This one was just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think you want to.
Speaker 7: Ask her for the last.
Speaker 2: So I'm in the middle. I am with with a
Speaker 2: lot of what you guys are feeling, uh Nay and Mike,
Speaker 2: But I am with Rod and that I get why
Speaker 2: he did. He just wanted to switch it up because
Speaker 2: the previous two movies, Yeah, that's what he did. Block
Speaker 2: explained everything. So he just wanted to do something different.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: something different, Becau because the last two movies were derivative.
Speaker 1: Makes sense. But if you're looking at this from a
Speaker 1: story aspect, it doesn't make any sense. It just makes
Speaker 1: sense from a Oh I'm a movie maker and I
Speaker 1: want to do something different, but it's like, how about
Speaker 1: you write it better? So it makes sense why you
Speaker 1: did it different.
Speaker 6: I feel like he showed infinity for Judd, even when
Speaker 6: he was like no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He told him like three or four times, don't don't like.
Speaker 2: Whipped this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like come on, man, let's get out of this.
Speaker 7: This a you.
Speaker 1: Know what, you should go home? You're right about Yeah,
Speaker 1: he showed that he didn't want the wrong person to
Speaker 1: go to jail.
Speaker 4: Yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that
Speaker 4: he could have explained it.
Speaker 1: Yes, he could have just explained to himself instead of
Speaker 1: going through all this rigama roll with. But whatever.
Speaker 3: So this movie ends with the diamond emerald whatever it
Speaker 3: was in the Crucifixion in the church.
Speaker 1: We zoom out and it's oh, fuck Dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the body of Jesus's heart, Eve's apple, I'm
Speaker 2: picking that apple off that tree man.
Speaker 1: The sun was like Beline somewhere.
Speaker 2: Somewhere.
Speaker 6: It's the roof of goddamn get the yard cut, little
Speaker 6: pump bitch.
Speaker 1: That was kind of funny. That was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: A little racist, but that was kind of funny. Uh.
Speaker 6: Any final thoughts, I enjoyed these man we go back
Speaker 6: to like can say they be making my top ten
Speaker 6: because it's just one of those movies that I just like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's just I don't really have to
Speaker 6: contrary to what it is. I don't really have to
Speaker 6: think about it. Like it's not that deep.
Speaker 1: It's a fun time. It was movie to watch, and
Speaker 1: I put those on my list some times.
Speaker 4: Just ship that don't that ain't even that deep.
Speaker 5: A good game of Clue, Yeah, yeah, I raither watch Clue.
Speaker 5: The movie who was good, but I feel like it's
Speaker 5: that all right. This has been our review for last
Speaker 5: White Lotus.
Speaker 1: I think White Lotus is ten million times more interesting than.
Speaker 4: This White Loas. This is a good job.
Speaker 1: They get you to care about the characters. This does
Speaker 1: not get you to care about anybody.
Speaker 6: What you did it?
Speaker 1: I tell you, he said, he asked.
Speaker 3: It was one of thoughts, and this has been our
Speaker 3: review Friday, first second or not.
Speaker 1: Because we are out peace Bye,