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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 1: It is March Madness and a couple of our team's

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Speaker 1: got to be in action a little bit later on today.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we're the home of Butler Basketball, and

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Speaker 1: when the games can't be heard here on ninety three

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Speaker 1: to ninety two point seven FM Fuego and four o'clock

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Speaker 1: this afternoon. They will be playing today as Butler takes

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Speaker 1: on Providence. They've had a little bit of success against

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Speaker 1: Providence this year, so we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 2: Well, two wild games, both those games double overtime, absolutely

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Speaker 2: insane games.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Butler wins.

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Speaker 2: It'll be Saint John's coming up tomorrow as the one seed.

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Speaker 1: There Indiana, as you mentioned a moment ago, they'll be

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Speaker 1: playing Northwestern today six thirty pm. You can watch the

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Speaker 1: game on Big ten Network or you can listen to

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Speaker 1: it on ninety three point one WIBC.

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Speaker 4: So it's just that.

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Speaker 1: Time of year, all kinds of basketball taking place all

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Speaker 1: over the country. But so too is the National Football

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Speaker 1: League never takes a day off. James never a day

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Speaker 1: off for the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Nope, and a lot of it is waiting se mode

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Speaker 5: right now for the Colts. And you're hoping that you

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Speaker 5: reach resolution rather quickly with Daniel Jones because you want

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Speaker 5: to be compliant by four pm. But you also want

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Speaker 5: to be able to basically sign other guys and get

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Speaker 5: everything rolling with your other pursuits. So let's say you

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Speaker 5: do lock down Daniel Jones on a two year deal,

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Speaker 5: as NFL Network says the Colts are trying to finalize,

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Speaker 5: then that would allow you to then turn your attention

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Speaker 5: to your pass rush, to your linebackers, to other deficiencies

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Speaker 5: in your roster, and other players in your roster as well,

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Speaker 5: because as we know Bernard, and I'm saying to Bernard

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Speaker 5: Ryman who restructed his deal, Daniel Jones and Alei Peerce

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Speaker 5: are not the only free agents the Colts have as

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Speaker 5: far as in house free agents. So we'll see how

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Speaker 5: it all kind of trickles down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the big ticket items right now, they gotta

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Speaker 1: figure out what they're gonna do with Anthony Richards and

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Speaker 1: he's currently slotted to have the ninth highest cap hit

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Speaker 1: on this team this coming year. When they figure out

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Speaker 1: what they're going to do with him. That'll probably save

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Speaker 1: them a little over ten million dollars, almost eleven million dollars, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, does anybody act, does anybody

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Speaker 1: offer up draft picks for Anthony Richardson or they just

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Speaker 1: kind of wait for him to go out of the market.

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Speaker 3: James craigly wrong. I believe they traded Richardson.

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Speaker 2: You just kind of cut that in half, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a full removal of the ten or

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Speaker 2: eleven million there, just to clarify, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right now, my.

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Speaker 2: Focus today is certainly the Daniel Jones situation. You know,

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Speaker 2: what does that cap hit look like by four o'clock?

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Speaker 2: And then, as James pointed out, pass rush and the

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Speaker 2: name of Trey Hendrickson and the news item of last

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Speaker 2: night of Max Crosby and the rescending from Baltimore side

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Speaker 2: of it, does that do anything to Hendrickson's market?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, you could look at a twofold one.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it opens up other teams, maybe it opens up

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Speaker 2: Baltimore to have some interest, but then does it put

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Speaker 2: any pause into other teams that are like, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous about aging pass rushers that are

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson because I think in an ideal world the Colts

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Speaker 2: Pierce Jones, it potentially Hendrickson And if you look at it,

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Speaker 2: it was a pretty quiet day, I would say, league

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of juice left in it now,

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Speaker 2: you know. Again we can get into a debate of

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Speaker 2: how much juice Trey Hendrickson has left. But those are

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Zaia Franklin saying he wasn't surprised that

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Speaker 1: he got traded by the Colts, said try to get

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Speaker 4: But before yeah, do we have that audio cued up?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 5: Let me know what we do, because in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: I think it's better to just hear from the source

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Speaker 5: here is Zyr Franklin and the Jim Rome Show. I

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Speaker 5: believe earlier this week discussing going to Green Bay but

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Speaker 6: I mean, I consider myself one of the faster guys

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Speaker 6: But you know, when I heard it, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: you take it for what it is. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 6: with a disappointing year, changes was going to be made.

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Speaker 6: You know. Unfortunately they looked at, you know, us as

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Speaker 6: it's a part of it. Like I said, I don't

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Speaker 6: take it personally, it's just business. I know the type

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Speaker 6: of player that I am, and you know what I'll

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Speaker 6: that even if my days at Indianapolis would end, that

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Speaker 4: You know, It's really interesting because I always talked to myself, Guys,

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Speaker 4: you know, I've done this a long time.

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Speaker 3: You and I have taught for a long time. Business

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Speaker 3: is business and the NFL is like most ruthless business.

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Speaker 3: We know that. And people always say, well, I don't

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Speaker 4: Is it not personal? Is everything not personal?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean you know what it is, though, Jim,

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Speaker 6: You know me, the way I came in this league

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Speaker 6: So it was not new to this. Honestly, the first

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Speaker 6: used to earning my key. You know, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Zirare Franklin with Jim Rome yesterday talking about his trade

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Speaker 1: making reference to that that quote from Chris Ballard about

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Speaker 1: we got to get faster, we got to get younger,

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Speaker 1: but I can't get younger. But I was definitely one

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Speaker 5: I would disagree there, but I mean they have the

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Speaker 5: he was not one of the fastest guys, which is

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Speaker 4: Range was not a part of his game.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to dismiss the other stuff that Zire

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Speaker 5: the faster part definitely applies to him quite frankly. And

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Speaker 5: then on top of that the little not dig but

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that makes you look any better.

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Speaker 5: But one thing I'll give him credit for is Zayiro

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we're on the boat of the Sire

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Speaker 2: Franklin right now, a la Chris Ballard, as we hate

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Speaker 2: that's how ninety nine percent of fans react. I listened

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Speaker 3: I had zero issue with what Zaia said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I thought his final answer was really enlightening about this is.

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Speaker 3: Part of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: When you don't win, change happens, right, and that is

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Speaker 2: in the simplest way, that is exactly what is taking

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Speaker 2: right now, it's easily the most change we've seen under Ballard.

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Speaker 2: You know, whether you want to look at Michael Pittman Junior,

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Speaker 2: You know, if you look at those four individuals, those

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Speaker 3: And you know, I agree with it.

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Speaker 2: I did think change was necessary, but this is not

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Speaker 2: how Ballard is really ever operated. Major vets are gone

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Speaker 2: from this football team, and you know, some of it

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Speaker 2: the part ways with you know, Pillar Colts is probably

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Speaker 2: guys that have been consistent starters throughout this time, and

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Speaker 2: In terms of Braidon Smith, I actually think Houston is

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Speaker 2: a pretty good situation for him. Houston seems to need

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Speaker 2: there's some questions about playing seventeen games, but that makes

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Speaker 2: sense to me. I couldn't believe and I saw the

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Speaker 3: Seventy next year, you know, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Is just wild to think that they have made the

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Speaker 2: in the top The Colts have won in the top seventy.

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Speaker 2: That's not ideal at all for the Colts when you

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Speaker 2: look at their lack of winning versus Houston's pretty consistent

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Speaker 2: winning over the last three years. There, So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: did think Zire's comment yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree

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Speaker 2: with James on the fast part there, but his overall

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Speaker 1: I had no problem with Zire Franklin and earlier, essentially

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Speaker 1: what Jim rob had said when he was setting up

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Speaker 1: the question too. The NFL is cutthroat. They don't care

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Speaker 1: what you did last year. They don't care what you did,

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Speaker 1: certainly two years ago. If you're making too much money

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Speaker 1: and they don't think they're going to get the kind

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Speaker 1: they're just going to move on. They're going to make

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Speaker 1: a trade. They're going to release you out right. Very rarely,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't even happen very often anymore. NFL is just

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Speaker 1: going to move on, Kevin. This is what they do.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that I'm NFL doesn't care is up

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Speaker 4: So we'll see what it all shakes out to.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be jarring to just reiterate that point.

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Speaker 2: You know, I still hear from people that would rather

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Speaker 3: The last three or four years. But that's just not

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will be twenty nine years old in May,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and.

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Speaker 5: I'll be the first to say, and honestly, I'm not

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Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily love this plan.

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Speaker 5: The idea of pinning your hopes and dreams on Daniel

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Speaker 5: I think going forward, I don't want to hear anything

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Speaker 4: So it's not a perfect answer.

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Speaker 1: Should I point out that Carson Wentz is still available.

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Speaker 1: No, those are supposed to soothe you.

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Speaker 1: Will go deeper into the Colts and a little bit

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Speaker 1: more on the league itself. Stephenholder from ESPN dot com,

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Speaker 1: our good friend stops by in a moment ninety three

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Speaker 1: five and one oh seven five the fans, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Wednesday, It's the Fan Morning Show with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen, Mark Dydon behind the glass today James Boyd,

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Speaker 1: of course, starring in all sorts of media. Over here

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Speaker 1: to my right, I'm jeff Rickord, trying to weave our

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Speaker 1: way through all of this big day in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League yesterday, really big week as free agency has begun,

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Speaker 1: legal tampering is on. The Colts have made some moves.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the National Football League is getting torn

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Speaker 1: up with trades and signings and recensions and all kinds

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Speaker 1: of things. And here to help make sense of all

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Speaker 1: of it, our good friend from ESPN dot com, Stephenholder,

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Speaker 1: on the pay Less Lookers Hotline. Good morning, mister Holder.

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Speaker 1: How you doing today?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 8: We'll see it has been busy week and we'll see

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Speaker 8: what's today brings.

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Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, before we get in to the cult stuff,

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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts when you saw that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: had rescinded the trade with the Raiders and Max Crosby

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Speaker 1: is going back to Las veag I guess, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to keep their two first round picks.

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Speaker 8: So I love chaos when it's not my chaos to cover.

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Speaker 8: So I was like watching from afar. I'm not saying

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Speaker 8: it was funny. It wasn't funny, but it was. It

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Speaker 8: was definitely I definitely had a good time. I guess

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Speaker 8: watching it all play out, it was interesting. It was captivating.

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Speaker 8: I guess, let's put it that way. It's a disaster.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if we even understand the totality of

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Speaker 8: the fallout from this thing just yet, by the way,

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Speaker 8: because I mean, the Raiders were probably the most active

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Speaker 8: team in free agency and they were making those deals.

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Speaker 8: Those are agreements that haven't been signed yet, and they

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Speaker 8: were making those deals based on the assumption that they

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Speaker 8: had MaTx Crosby's salary moves. So I think today's going

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Speaker 8: to be an interesting day. I'm not saying they're going

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Speaker 8: to bail on those deals, but I do want to

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Speaker 8: see if they actually go through with them.

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Speaker 7: It'll be interesting.

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Speaker 5: Talking to ESPN's Stephen Holder here on the Palo Sooker's

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Speaker 5: hot Line, Holder, I do have a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a beef with you because ESPN Radio keeps, you know,

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Speaker 5: reaching out to me every Sunday to talk about the

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Speaker 5: chaos of the Colts. So stop ducking them, you know,

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Speaker 5: all right? Do your responsibility that they have.

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Speaker 4: Every now and then.

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Speaker 5: I think ever since Philip River has happened, I've become like,

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Speaker 5: you know, James is our god to discuss what's going

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Speaker 5: on with the weirdness of the Colts. And as you know,

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Speaker 5: our beat is not very normal these days. And so

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Speaker 5: when you look at you know, I'm serious, you are

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Speaker 5: ducking them, man, So.

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Speaker 4: I answer the phone. Ok, I'm just joking about that though.

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to seriously, Daniel Jones and what

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Speaker 5: the structure of the deal is, how important do you

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Speaker 5: think it is to give yourself an out after let's

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Speaker 5: say two years because of the injury history and knowing

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Speaker 5: that you do get your first round picks back in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight, Like, do you think that's a factor

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Speaker 5: and how this deal should be structured, Well, I.

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Speaker 8: Would imagine the three years as kind of the ballpark.

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Speaker 8: So if that is in fact the case, because I

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Speaker 8: guess that has already been kind of reported, I think

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Speaker 8: that makes sense if we're talking about a three year deal,

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Speaker 8: that's how you want to do it anyway, even without

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Speaker 8: the mitigating circumstances that you're talking about, right, you don't

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Speaker 8: want to have to go into the year three of

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Speaker 8: a three year deal and be locked in if you

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Speaker 8: can help it right as a team, if you can

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Speaker 8: avoid that, and I actually would agree with you, I

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Speaker 8: think you do want to have at least some sort

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Speaker 8: of protection. I just think it's smart in general. You know,

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Speaker 8: you want to have some flexibility at the end of

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Speaker 8: every contract. It's not what the player wants, and if

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Speaker 8: he has enough leverage, he can get what he wants, right,

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Speaker 8: and so we'll see who wins out. But certainly the

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Speaker 8: team wants leverage at the end of any multi year

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Speaker 8: contract so that they can at least plan for the future,

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Speaker 8: or they can the necessary things that need to be

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Speaker 8: done and move off of that contract, whatever it is.

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Speaker 8: So I think really what people probably need to understand,

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Speaker 8: I think is this whole Daniel Jones debate and negotiation,

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Speaker 8: I believe is much less about the dollars and more

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Speaker 8: about some of those details. Right, what are the protections,

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Speaker 8: what are the guarantees? All of that. I don't care

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Speaker 8: what his contract demand was. I know there's been a

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Speaker 8: lot of talk about that the last couple of days.

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Speaker 8: I think we were spending way too much time talking

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Speaker 8: about that. I asked for a lot of money from ESPN,

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Speaker 8: and you know what they told me to go pound

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Speaker 8: sand So that's how negotiations work. It's more about the

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Speaker 8: details in in my opinion, that's what I think is

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Speaker 8: happening here again.

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Speaker 2: Steven Holder with us here from ESPN. Steven assuming obviously

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Speaker 2: the caphit for Daniel Jones will be lower by four

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Speaker 2: o'clock today whenever they get this multi year deal done.

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Speaker 2: I believe of Bernard Ryman restructure occurred this morning or

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Speaker 2: core occurred at some point here this week. Do you

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Speaker 2: think these continued cap savings maneuvers is because there's more

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Speaker 2: than just Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce that want to

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Speaker 2: be done by the Colts aka Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. I think there are there are other

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Speaker 8: There are other factors here, and edge Rush is one

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Speaker 8: of them. I'm not saying they're landing Trey Hendrickson, but

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Speaker 8: I am saying they talk to him, and I am

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Speaker 8: saying that I'm not ruling it out. I actually in

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Speaker 8: the last twenty four hours have kind of done an

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Speaker 8: about face on this. I didn't think they were really

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Speaker 8: in on him, and I don't know that they are

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Speaker 8: like the strongest player. I don't know that, but I'm

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Speaker 8: not ruling it out, so we'll see. They are definitely

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Speaker 8: not done at edge rush because that's the thing that

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Speaker 8: I wanted to know coming off. They've made a couple

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Speaker 8: of deals, and one of those has obviously been arden Key,

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Speaker 8: who was an edge rusher. Now that deal to me said, Okay,

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Speaker 8: nice player, but more a rotational player. If he's here

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Speaker 8: as a rotational guy, I like the signing. If he's

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Speaker 8: here to play quiddy pace naps, I don't love the signing.

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Speaker 8: So I think they would like him to be a

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Speaker 8: rotational guy and continue to supplement that position. But there's

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Speaker 8: not much left at the top of the defensive end market,

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Speaker 8: so really, Trey Henderson has to be a consideration for

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Speaker 8: them if that's what they're trying to do is get

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Speaker 8: an the league.

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Speaker 1: Guy, Stephen Holder ESPN dot Com joining us in the

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Speaker 1: payless Liquors hotline. Everything is done in context, right, and

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Speaker 1: as the Colts move forward and they take a swing

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Speaker 1: at at a Trey Hendrickson or whatever, and yes, they

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Speaker 1: have picked up some help in arden Key, but just

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Speaker 1: how much better and how much growth do they expect

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Speaker 1: from lot to lat to this year.

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Speaker 8: Well, for this to work as it currently stands, they

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Speaker 8: need to get a lot of growth from him. The

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Speaker 8: problem with that is, you know you're banking on potential

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Speaker 8: and that's gotten them in trouble before. So as we

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Speaker 8: sit here right now with only what we know at

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Speaker 8: this moment, I do not like their defense. I like

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Speaker 8: their secondary, I do, but their front seven does nothing

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Speaker 8: in terms of turning the page from last year. In fact,

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Speaker 8: it's a net negative. You've gotten rid of Zire Franklin,

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Speaker 8: You've moved off from Quiddie pay and these players who

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Speaker 8: people maybe didn't want them to retain. That's fine, but

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Speaker 8: they can't walk out the door and now you're better, right,

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Speaker 8: So that's the bottom line is they have a lot

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Speaker 8: of work to do. If they don't get this work done,

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Speaker 8: they're not better and they're not going to get it

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Speaker 8: done all in the draft. So I think they are

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Speaker 8: really in the early stages on defense. I would imagine

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Speaker 8: right now. I think we have a long way to go.

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Speaker 5: Again, we're talking to ESPN's Stephen Holder, coach reporter Stephen

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Speaker 5: when looking at the rest of the roster, and we've

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Speaker 5: talked a lot about the as rushers, talked a lot

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Speaker 5: about see Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce. But when we

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Speaker 5: look at linebacker then, moving on from Zire Franklin, you

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Speaker 5: no longer have Jermaine Prowner contract, I'm sure free agent.

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Speaker 4: How much of a need do you think that is?

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Speaker 5: And perhaps is it easier to address it in the

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Speaker 5: draft or do you have to also look at free

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Speaker 5: agency to find maybe a proven guy.

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Speaker 8: This linebacker specifically?

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Speaker 4: He said, yes, linebacker specifically.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think they got a lot of work

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Speaker 8: to do there. I don't think there's any question now

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Speaker 8: they will address it in the draft. I think that

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Speaker 8: is pretty clear. And the early assessment is that there

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Speaker 8: are some good linebackers in this class. And I trust

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Speaker 8: the Colts there. They have never had a problem drafting linebackers.

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Speaker 8: For whatever reason, they always hit. However, I don't think

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Speaker 8: you can rely completely on that.

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Speaker 7: That would be foolish.

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Speaker 8: And as much as lou Anroumo really tried to downplay

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Speaker 8: the importance of the linebacker position last year, I would

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Speaker 8: say opposing offenses feel differently because they saw the weakness

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Speaker 8: and they went after it. Okay, So, and I'm talking

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Speaker 8: in the passing game in particular. So unless you're ready

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Speaker 8: to do something to mitigate that. From a scheme perspective,

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Speaker 8: you've got to address it with personnel. So you know,

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Speaker 8: I understand that maybe it's not the most important part

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Speaker 8: of his defense. That's true, but we can't just excuse me.

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Speaker 8: But we can't just pretend it doesn't matter, because good

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Speaker 8: offensive coaches will make you get into matchups you don't

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Speaker 8: want to be in, and we saw it time and

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Speaker 8: time again last year. They got to avoid being in

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Speaker 8: that position again, Steven.

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Speaker 2: Last one for me, I was looking up yesterday. If

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Speaker 2: you look at four players that have left the team

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Speaker 2: to trades, to free agent signings, Quitty Pay, Braden Smith,

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman Junior or Zaia Franklin. I want to say

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Speaker 2: all four of them rank in the top ten of

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Speaker 2: most games started in the.

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Speaker 3: Chris Ballard era.

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Speaker 2: Do you view that as welcome to the salary cap

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Speaker 2: when you have to start to pay a quarterback in

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Speaker 2: a whiteout, or do you view it more in the

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Speaker 2: welcome to life when you don't win.

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Speaker 8: So it is a little of both for sure, right But.

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Speaker 2: Because it's anti Ballad, I guess is what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 2: We really haven't seen him part ways with a lot

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Speaker 2: of the mainstays.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I'll say this Zire Franklin for example. You

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Speaker 8: know the quote somebody in the building gave me about

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Speaker 8: Zire Franklin. It was very it was very succinct, but

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Speaker 8: it said a lot. And the quote was it was time, okay.

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Speaker 8: And what does that say to me that says we

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Speaker 8: didn't enjoy doing this. We didn't you know, we didn't

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Speaker 8: revel in it. And they maybe didn't even want to

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Speaker 8: do it. But they had to do it, and they

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Speaker 8: didn't have to do it because of money. I think

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Speaker 8: he's the best example. Like they didn't have to cut

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Speaker 8: Zire Frankly Lynn, excuse you trade him just for just

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Speaker 8: for financial purposes. I mean, if you really wanted him

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Speaker 8: on your team.

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Speaker 7: That was very doable.

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Speaker 8: They decided from a football perspective, they had to move on.

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Speaker 8: And I think Braden Smith's same thing. It wasn't that

657
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Speaker 8: Braiden Smith can still play, and certainly the Houston Texans agree,

658
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Speaker 8: but I think you've made a hard choice there. Look,

659
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Speaker 8: we drafted these young guys for a reason. I think

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Speaker 8: they have to get younger. That's the other thing. This team,

661
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Speaker 8: that group had been together for a long time, I

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Speaker 8: love all those guys I've covered. We spent a lot

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Speaker 8: of time with those guys, all of us right and

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Speaker 8: personally and even from a football perspective. I think all

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Speaker 8: those guys have had great times here. But ultimately, you

666
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Speaker 8: can't fall in love man, because you got nothing to

667
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Speaker 8: show for it. And I think that is the bottom line.

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Speaker 8: They got a lot of snaps out of these guys,

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Speaker 8: they didn't get a lot of wins out of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for me, Stephen Jermaine Peretz, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be on the Indianapolis coltsun up day in September.

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Speaker 8: I think that one's very much TBD. I think what

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Speaker 8: you have there is he's probably a lower priority because

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Speaker 8: they want to see what other dominoes fall at linebacker first,

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Speaker 8: and then I think you deal with him later. I'm

676
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Speaker 8: not saying months from now, but maybe days or weeks.

677
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Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, so, I think they need

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Speaker 8: to find out where they are at that position first

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Speaker 8: and then go from there. I think when you talk

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Speaker 8: about getting younger and faster, that to me says we

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Speaker 8: want to consider some other options. I don't know's that's

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Speaker 8: what it says.

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Speaker 3: To me.

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Speaker 8: We'll see what they actually do.

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Speaker 1: All right, buddy, always good to talk to. Enjoy the

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Speaker 1: rest of your Wednesday. I know you'll keep everybody up

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Speaker 1: to date at ESPN dot com, and we ask everybody,

688
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Speaker 1: including you to this. Keep it tune in ninety three

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Speaker 1: five and one of seven five to fan for the

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Speaker 1: very latest in cults is thanks Bud.

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Speaker 8: All right, see you guys, breaking news from ninety three five.

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Speaker 1: You've been one oh seven to five. The fan can't

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Speaker 1: even get through a commercial break without something happening that

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Speaker 1: does not go in the colts favor. No, we're not

695
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Speaker 1: going to update you in the latest with the Daniel

696
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Speaker 1: Jones negotiations. No, we're not going to tell you that

697
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Speaker 1: the Colts have signed a game breaking defensive end. James.

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Speaker 1: You were the first one to spot this during the break.

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Speaker 1: What are we going to tell our loyal listening audience

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Speaker 1: this morning?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is according to all the top insiders

702
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Speaker 5: when it comes to NFL reporting, Trey Hendrickson is signing

703
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Speaker 5: with the Baltimore Ravens. You have Jordan Schultz reporting the

704
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Speaker 5: deal is worth four years, one hundred and twelve million dollars.

705
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Speaker 5: Now again, I want to see what the guarantees are

706
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Speaker 5: for a guy coming off hip surgery. But long story short, no,

707
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Speaker 5: there would not be a reunion between Louen Arumo and

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Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 9: Kevin Bowen thoughts my biggest I guess concern last night

710
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Speaker 9: when I saw the Max Crosby news, I sat there

711
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Speaker 9: as I was trying to lay out some clothes for.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, and said, all right, uh, does this mean the

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Speaker 2: Ravens are in Andrey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 3: And lo and behold here they are. How about the Ravens?

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Speaker 2: They don't have to give up two first round picks,

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Speaker 2: so obviously we'll debate, you know, how effective Hendrickson is

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Speaker 2: coming off that versus Max Crosby.

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Speaker 5: But I was gonna say, should we count it as

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Speaker 5: official until he passes the physical?

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Speaker 1: I think they probably know at this point in time

721
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Speaker 1: there's an issue, right, So I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Saying, you know, again, this is kind off the top

723
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Speaker 2: of my head, But who's left James, Joey Bosa, Bradley Chubb.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Bradley Chubb is probably the biggest name

725
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Speaker 5: left when it comes to, you know, bang for your

726
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Speaker 5: buck production from a defensive end and then everything else

727
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 5: is just old guy, so Son Reddick and we're perhaps

728
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Speaker 5: some young, unproven dudes.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Ajpanessa, I know, was a name that former

730
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Speaker 2: first Round picked people through out there.

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Speaker 3: So boy, it.

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Speaker 2: Looks like the pool at edge rushing has dried up.

733
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Speaker 2: And you know, that will be kind of the biggest

734
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Speaker 2: question now. I think for the Colts moving forward, it's,

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Speaker 2: you know, the ability to go out there and inquire

736
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Speaker 2: a top flight pass rusher. There were several of them

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Speaker 2: that I think were free agents this year and whether

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Speaker 2: you want to look at Jalen Phillips in Carolina, you

739
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Speaker 2: want to look at Adafa Oway, now at the Commanders,

740
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Speaker 2: you want to look at Trey hendrickson a the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: You know, again, you could pick holes in probably all

742
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Speaker 2: of them, but they have had some level of production. Really,

743
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Speaker 2: the Colts haven't had at edge rusher. And now the

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Speaker 2: Colts I don't see an obvious pivot to where all

745
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you sit there and say that dude

746
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Speaker 2: has been a big time edge rusher in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is of major concern for me.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a few of the names, but here's the

749
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Speaker 1: list of available free agents right now. Hassan Reddick, who's

750
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Speaker 1: going to be He's thirty one, Joey Bosa will be

751
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Speaker 1: thirty one, Deniko Atre is going to be thirty six,

752
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Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd is going to be thirty four. Ye Gross

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Speaker 1: Mottos is twenty eight, Dampson Ebucom's thirty one, gonna be

754
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Speaker 1: thirty one, Michael dana is twenty eight, Allow Nichols twenty nine,

755
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Speaker 1: DJ one them didn't work out very well with Carolina

756
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Speaker 1: gonna be twenty eight. Von Miller is still out there,

757
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Speaker 1: James at thirty seven.

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Speaker 5: So when we look at what's left when it comes

759
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Speaker 5: to signing a free agent, and honestly, Kevin, when I

760
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Speaker 5: hear that it's a four year deal for Tree Hendrickson,

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking to the Colts like, that's an absolute no.

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Speaker 5: I would not want to have him on my books

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Speaker 5: for four years. Now Again, when do you have an

764
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Speaker 5: out in that contract? How much guaranteed money is spread out?

765
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Speaker 5: But this just in from me. I think Adam Shefter

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Speaker 5: said that it's worth up to one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 5: million dollars, So quite the payday for Trey Hendrickson. But

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Speaker 5: I can understand why the Colts might have been like, hey,

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Speaker 5: at some point, we gotta be realistic with our price point,

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Speaker 5: because I mean, if you do spend that kind of

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Speaker 5: money on Trey Hendrickson, what else do you have left?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's fine. I can hear that, but it

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Speaker 2: still doesn't solve. They continue to issue and now if

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Speaker 2: the off season unfolds in the manner that it looks

775
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Speaker 2: like it at Rush and we'll see, let's just throw

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Speaker 2: in whatever a cult sign. I don't know, Hassan Reddick,

777
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Speaker 2: if you want to throw in one of these names,

778
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Speaker 2: you are banking on pretty much all of your edge

779
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Speaker 2: rushing eggs into layout.

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Speaker 3: To Latsu's third year jump, you have to have that.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to I viewed the off season more of a

783
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Speaker 2: you need to find a bona.

784
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Speaker 3: Fide guy opposite lot too.

785
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so yes, I understand it's rich.

786
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Speaker 2: It is rich, and the culture in a difficult cap

787
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: situation right now, but that to me is just again

788
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: you're continuing to kick the can down the road of

789
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Speaker 2: a position that has on that side of the ball,

790
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: I think has equal value to what quarterback can mean

791
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Speaker 2: to a lot of teams from an offensive standpoint.

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Speaker 3: And that's my biggest worry.

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Speaker 5: Here's one I'll throw out to you. Do you think

794
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Speaker 5: and we probably won't get like a clear ants on

795
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Speaker 5: this publicly, but do you think the hold up in

796
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: signing Daniel Jones to a long term deal may have

797
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Speaker 5: hindered you from actually trying to pursue Trey Hendrickson, Like,

798
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Speaker 5: for example, if he's sitting there at the table right

799
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Speaker 5: now today and the Ravens are saying, we can pay

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Speaker 5: you this amount of money right now, versus where the

801
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Speaker 5: cults are saying, wait, give us a second, we'll get

802
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: Daniel handled, then we'll come back to you. That might

803
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Speaker 5: not be the best strategy when it comes to trying

804
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: to land the guy of his caliber. I'm not blaming

805
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 5: the culture necessarily, but I think it speaks to some

806
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 5: of the logistical steps that have to happen, and you're

807
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: just not in a position to really go for it,

808
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: at least financially because you you don't know what your

809
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: financials are quite frankly just yet.

810
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good question, and I think this

811
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Speaker 2: kind of gets back in the order of operations debate

812
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: we had had, or maybe of exactly what needs to happen.

813
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Speaker 4: Please excuse my dear aunt Sally I think.

814
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Speaker 2: The Colts thought all along was they could and would

815
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Speaker 2: create enough room to pursue him. And you know, I

816
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Speaker 2: don't know, it's just a Hendrickson thing saying I'd rather

817
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Speaker 2: be in Baltimore, Which again, would you rather be with

818
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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, two time MVP right defensive mind.

819
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Speaker 3: To head coach?

820
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Speaker 2: You know, I again I understand and the Andarumo connection,

821
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: the Marion Hobby connection, but still Hendrickson did strike me

822
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Speaker 2: as someone, given the holdout last year, that was probably

823
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: chasing top top dollars. I don't know if that obviously

824
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent the case here, but we'll see

825
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: how the Colts now pivot here. You know, Jonathan Glennard,

826
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Speaker 2: I know, is the name people have mentioned before. You know,

827
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Speaker 2: that is a trade right with the Vikings, so that

828
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Speaker 2: it would have to be done there. He didn't have a great,

829
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: great season last year, So it just seems to be

830
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: all eggs in the law to basket with a group

831
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Speaker 2: that's probably just going to be a bunch of guys

832
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Speaker 2: that you know, you just kind of shrug your shoulders

833
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: that they're fine pass rushers. But that's kind of been

834
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Speaker 2: the annual story with the.

835
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Speaker 10: They're not giving any offensive coordinators like we need to

836
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Speaker 10: block this guy, we need to scheme against this guy.

837
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's worth pointing out to Mark, Like,

838
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, Buckner continues to get older. Is the constant

839
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: double team that goes his way? Is that less needed

840
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Speaker 2: from opposing offenses? Do do some of that shift towards

841
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: a lot too?

842
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Now?

843
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Speaker 3: You know?

844
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Speaker 2: And does that impact his effectiveness as he tries to ascend.

845
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Speaker 3: As a third year rusher?

846
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Speaker 2: So, man, the Max Crosby thing, it was, Yeah, I

847
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Speaker 2: mean my first thought last night was, oh boy, what

848
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Speaker 2: does this mean for the Ravens?

849
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Speaker 3: What does this mean for Trey Hendrickson? And lo and behold,

850
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Speaker 3: here you go.

851
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Speaker 1: It didn't take the Ravens long to move on to

852
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Speaker 1: the next choice, though, did it. They got it done

853
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: in a hurry. Can I interest you guys at all?

854
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Speaker 1: Just for the sake of discussion? In a Jadavian clowney

855
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Speaker 1: for less than six million dollars a year?

856
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Speaker 4: Not really for me? No, I mean, big name, but

857
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: he ain't what he used to be.

858
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Speaker 1: No, and he's thirty three. I mean we talked about

859
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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa at thirty one, but that's going to be

860
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Speaker 1: almost fourteen million dollars at least with the market value

861
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Speaker 1: is listed right now.

862
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Again, it's the same song and dance, all these names

863
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Speaker 2: that Jeff Cueson mentioned, age.

864
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Speaker 3: Production, all of it.

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Speaker 2: It's just they're just do I've shrugged my shoulders nine

866
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Speaker 2: times in the last thirty seconds talking about them.

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Speaker 11: All.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my that's my concern. The Colts have had fine.

869
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Speaker 2: Pass rushers, They've had guys. Oh yeah, Quity pay he

870
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Speaker 2: had seven sacks. It's like, well, if you really look at.

871
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: The numbers, didn't do much. And again I can't.

872
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll try to nerd out over some numbers

873
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: if you'd like here, but I cannot reiterate this enough.

874
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: If you look at the Falcons, the Jets, the Colts,

875
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: the teams with the longest current playoff drought in the NFL,

876
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: the lack of individual pass rushers is a definite correlation. Yeah,

877
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: definite correlation. Two times since Robert Mathis, Robert Mathis led

878
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: the NFL in sacks in twenty thirteen, that's what twelve

879
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: years ago. Two times since then, you've had a double

880
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: digit sack guy, and like a double digit sack guy

881
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: is not well, someone look up how many double digit

882
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: sack guys there were in the NFL last year. I mean,

883
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: it's not like a foreign It's not Bam a otabio

884
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: score in eighty three or do you have twenty people

885
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: probably get double digit sacks every year in the NFL

886
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, those numbers are only rising

887
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: with how much more teams passed in the NFL. And

888
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: it's justin Houston in twenty nineteen, and it's Eric Walden

889
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen.

890
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Here, here we go. Number of sacks last year, there

891
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: were fifteen guys in the league that had ten or

892
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: more sacks.

893
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: So again we're talking about a fifteen probably some years made.

894
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: It's a little bit more than that.

895
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: That type of number.

896
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm talking about three dudes in the league.

897
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: I'm not talking eighteen sacks twenty sacks. I'm talking Miles

898
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: Garrett numbers. And that's you know who number fifteen was

899
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: the continued question.

900
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Max Crosby was number fifteen years.

901
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 5: I'm looking at this, it looks like Chase Young had

902
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 5: ten sacks last year. Yeah, Montes sweat, Yeah, Well how

903
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: about this? Al Kadem Mohammad the must have Yeah, he

904
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: had eleven last year for the Detroit which you go.

905
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Back to him. He's a free agent.

906
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: Possibly, I mean at this point, yeah, the drop off

907
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 5: from Trey Henders can the rest of the field.

908
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of the World Baseball Classic, we are joined by

909
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: our next guest, one of our all time favorites. It

910
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: may be our all time favorite, who knows, but he's

911
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: one of them. Tucker Barnhardt from Brownsburg, Indiana, and he

912
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: is our resident baseball expert, having played in Major League

913
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: Baseball at a very high level for many, many years,

914
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: and like I said, just one of our favorites here

915
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: in the morning show. He joins us via the Payless

916
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: Liquors hotline. Tucker, it's good to talk to you again, man.

917
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 11: I appreciate the kind word. It's good to be back

918
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 11: on with you, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

919
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: You got to come into the studio some morning, just

920
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: hang out with us.

921
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 7: I would love to. I would love to.

922
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 11: I've been dodging rain drops outs that all morning, so

923
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 11: today wouldn't maybe be the day, but I'd love to.

924
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 7: That'd be great.

925
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's start talking about the World Baseball Classic.

926
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: First of all, as a former Major leaguer, how much

927
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: fun is it to watch teams divided up into nationalities.

928
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 7: It's really cool.

929
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 11: I mean it's a bad answer, but it is really

930
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 11: cool to watch. It brings my eye through its TV

931
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 11: every year that it is on. It's a nice get

932
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 11: away from spring training baseball. Spring training baseball is awesome

933
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 11: to watch, especially after when it's cold here, when the

934
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 11: weather it stinks like today. Being able to fire up

935
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 11: the TV and see teams in Arizona playing or in

936
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 11: Florida playing is awesome, but it's not necessarily the most

937
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 11: competitive games, right, So you're watching your favorite players or

938
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 11: guys that you see on TV on a nightly basis

939
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 11: for three or four innings at a time, and then

940
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 11: guys that.

941
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 7: Come in that you don't know about or that you've never.

942
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 11: Heard of, which is awesome also a cool thing to see.

943
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 11: But when you are able to fire up the TV

944
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 11: at night and you're watching Aaron Judge, Bryce Harper, Bobby Witt,

945
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 11: Kyle Scherber, Paul Skens, all these guys on the same

946
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 11: team playing against the sho Hao Tani's of the world,

947
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 11: the Saya Suzuki's.

948
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 7: Of the world.

949
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 11: Ronald Acunyas, it's really cool to watch and It brings

950
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 11: a competitiveness to march baseball that you don't normally see.

951
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 7: Talcer.

952
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: Great to hear your voice. Appreciate you making time for us.

953
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: Your former teammate. He looked like hell. He looked like

954
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: he started a middle linebacker for the Colts last night.

955
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: Michael Lorenzen on the mound, Dear lord.

956
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's He's always been Jack.

957
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 11: There's a there's a meme that I that I laugh

958
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 11: at every time I see it, because when I was

959
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati, I forget the the the year we celebrated

960
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 11: one hundred years of the organization and we us we

961
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 11: wore once a month, we wore a different throwback and

962
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 11: him and Derrick Dietrich paying homage to Ted Klazuski. He

963
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 11: was a guy that didn't wear sleeves under his vest jersey.

964
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 11: Uh they didn't wear they didn't wear sleeves under theirs, again,

965
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 11: paying homage to him. And they were doing curls with

966
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 11: the curl bar in the dugout prior to a game,

967
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 11: and uh so I always think about that, and so

968
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 11: he's always been Jack. We've always gave him hell about

969
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 11: it because we all wanted to look like him.

970
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 7: Let's be honest.

971
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 11: And and uh so, yeah, I would. It wouldn't shot

972
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 11: me if he was a stud at any other sport

973
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 11: that he that he would have tried to play because

974
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 11: he's a he's a freak athlete.

975
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious what the World Baseball

976
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Classic has drawn just from a fan interest standpoint. We

977
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: just watched what happens, you know, from a hockey standpoint

978
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: when NHL is get back into the Olympics. Obviously that was,

979
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, a huge, huge story in the sports world.

980
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: What are kind of your thoughts if you know, indeed,

981
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight we interrupt the MLB season and

982
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, have MLB players in the Olympics.

983
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 11: Man, you you took the words right out of my mouth,

984
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 11: because I think that the World Baseball Classic, it is awesome,

985
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 11: and I think it is a highly competitive atmosphere and

986
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 11: the games are great. I just wish that there was

987
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 11: a way to put it in the middle of the

988
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 11: year where you're getting k Skooble for five, six seven

989
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 11: innings at a time, Paul Skins five six seven innings

990
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 11: at a time when guys are in mid season form

991
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 11: from across the world. The teams from Japan teams, from

992
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 11: the from the mine in the Italys of the world,

993
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 11: like just I just feel like it could just boost

994
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 11: it even further.

995
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 7: Just with the quality of baseball.

996
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 11: You have bullpen guys that are that are coming in

997
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 11: to face certain pockets of a lineup, just like they

998
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 11: would in a regular season. So I do think that

999
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 11: if you can't if in twenty twenty eight, if you

1000
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 11: do interrupt the season and you put and you put

1001
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 11: the the Olympics right there in the middle, and you

1002
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 11: have the likes of Aaron Judge of Bryce Harper's who

1003
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 11: are in mid season form and you add them to

1004
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 11: a team that's going to play in the Olympics, I

1005
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 11: think it would make it even better. And so I

1006
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 11: wish there was a way in those non Olympic years,

1007
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 11: those in the World Baseball Classic years, where you could

1008
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 11: add it to the middle of the season, maybe make

1009
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 11: extend the All Star break just by a little bit,

1010
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 11: because it is only like three days long in a

1011
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 11: season where I've always maintained the stance that it is

1012
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 11: entirely too long at the onset with one hundred and

1013
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 11: sixty two games, I feel like maybe cutting out a

1014
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 11: couple to.

1015
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 7: Sin the All Star Break.

1016
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 11: Therefore adding being able to add a World Baseball Classic

1017
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 11: into the middle of the year, I think it would

1018
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 11: make it even better.

1019
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: Tucker, how much do you think how do you touch

1020
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 5: on a little bit there, but how much do you

1021
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 5: think there is like this pressure on the players to

1022
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 5: forming the World Baseball Classic but also to keep themselves

1023
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 5: somewhat ready for their regular season with their MLB team,

1024
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 5: Like is there some some pushing pushing take there or

1025
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: given pull? Like how do you view it as a

1026
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 5: competitor when you know, like in the back of your mind, okay,

1027
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 5: I do want to make sure I'm ready for that

1028
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 5: season as well.

1029
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 11: I mean I think I think he nailed it there.

1030
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 11: I think there is one hundred buy in from everybody

1031
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 11: that's playing, obviously, because you're playing for your country and

1032
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 11: you're doing everything you can to win. However, there is

1033
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 11: this little thing in your head that like a using

1034
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 11: Trek Scoobel, who is a former teammate of mine, using

1035
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 11: him as an example, He's he made one start, and

1036
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 11: I think that's that was the plan, is for him

1037
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 11: to only make one start. And he is approaching free

1038
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 11: agency as a two times Young Winner who is on

1039
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 11: the cusp of shattering any sort of picture contract for

1040
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 11: himself and for his future for the next for the

1041
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 11: next decade, we'll call it. So there's obviously that thought

1042
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 11: that's in your head. And I do think there's this

1043
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 11: this thought of, man, I've got to do whatever I

1044
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 11: can to win. However, I do have to look out

1045
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 11: for myself. And like I said, if you're in mid

1046
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 11: season form and you're healthy, and you're you're built up,

1047
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 11: and you've made ten consecutive starts, or for a position player,

1048
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 11: if you've played thirty.

1049
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 7: Straight games and you feel good and you're.

1050
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 11: Rolling, that care that thought of not necessarily today it

1051
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 11: would go in with a carelessness to a World to

1052
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 11: a World War Baseball Classic, or to an Olympics if

1053
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 11: it were in the middle of the year, but you

1054
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 11: would go in feeling a lot more confident that you

1055
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 11: can push it and put the pedal a all the

1056
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 11: way down versus giving it like seventy five percent throttle

1057
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 11: with trying to win the whole time. So it's a

1058
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 11: it's a delicate balance. I would I would absolutely believe that,

1059
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 11: but I just the guys are doing everything they can

1060
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 11: to win. But whether you like it or not, you're

1061
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 11: just not fully ready for a season and that competitive

1062
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 11: of an atmosphere or an atmosphere in March, You're just.

1063
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 10: Not Tuckertz Mark, I was curious you being a catcher

1064
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 10: and all. What did you think of the cal ralegh

1065
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 10: Randia Rose Arena, like an interaction and stuff where he

1066
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 10: kind of brushed off a handshake and all that with

1067
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 10: this team and is that poor form or is that

1068
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 10: just part of the game because they're competing.

1069
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: What did you think about that?

1070
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 7: It's interesting, Uh, it's interesting.

1071
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 11: I would be willing to bet that cal went into

1072
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 11: that with like laughing, like I think like probably under

1073
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 11: his mask, there was probably like.

1074
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 7: A smile, like a joke, jokingly.

1075
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 11: Like I'm not gonna take you if Amy's on the

1076
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 11: other team playing for another country, even though we are teammates,

1077
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 11: kind of messing around, and then it maybe kind of

1078
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 11: turned into something that it wasn't intended on turning into.

1079
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 11: So I didn't I don't think anything of it. I'm

1080
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 11: sure they're they're gonna be fine and they'll laugh about

1081
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 11: it when they get back together in Seattle. But I

1082
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 11: didn't think anything of it. I mean, I've I've played

1083
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 11: against guys that I've played with for five six years

1084
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 11: playing against them the following year, and it's just there

1085
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 11: is this element of like if I give you a

1086
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 11: hug or if I shake your hand at the plate,

1087
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 11: it's kind of not the time or place to do it,

1088
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 11: because like, I'm trying to beat you and you're trying

1089
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 11: to beat me, so I don't. I could see where

1090
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 11: Cal's coming from, But then also I could see where

1091
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 11: Randy's kind of caught off garlic. Hey, man, Like we

1092
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 11: just played in the World Series together, we spend nine

1093
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 11: months together and not gonna shake my hand.

1094
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 7: That's kind of that's kind of messed up.

1095
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 11: So I would assume that he went at it kind

1096
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 11: of as a joke and then it's kind of blown

1097
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 11: into something that maybe it wasn't intended to.

1098
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: You know that voice quite well, Tucker Barnhart, always gracious

1099
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: with his time here on these Era waves. Tucker, I

1100
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: know you love chasing the little white ball around, you

1101
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: enjoy time.

1102
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: With the boys, But do you miss it at all?

1103
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: And is that an unfair question? On a weather day

1104
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: like today.

1105
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 11: I'll be honest with you, man, I miss the weather

1106
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 11: and the ability to play golf just about whatever I

1107
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 11: want during spring training after the days are over, and

1108
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 11: that's about it.

1109
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 7: Well, I'm lying.

1110
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 11: I did miss because every year I'm a huge NASCAR fan,

1111
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 11: and so I would go to the NASCAR race in

1112
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 11: spring training. Also, I was able to make it quite

1113
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 11: a few years, so I do miss that part of it.

1114
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 11: But to be honest with you, my seat watching things

1115
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 11: like the World Baseball Classic in my seat watching spring

1116
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 11: training games.

1117
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: Is exactly where I want to be. I don't miss.

1118
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 7: I don't miss playing at all. I know I made

1119
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 7: the right decision.

1120
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 11: It's weird to say that because Baseball's been my whole

1121
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 11: life and everything that I've ever done. But I rang

1122
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 11: the towel out of my career long enough for me,

1123
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 11: and I enjoy playing golf and coaching my boys now

1124
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 11: more than i'd do playing it.

1125
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 7: That's for sure.

1126
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna come play golf with us on April thirtieth

1127
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: down a Legends.

1128
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 11: If the weather a hole, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1129
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 11: get a I'm gonna get a group together when we

1130
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 11: come down there.

1131
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: This is your official invite. Man, We would love to

1132
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: see you down there.

1133
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 7: Noah, I appreciate. I just want to get out driven

1134
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 7: by Kevin. That's the only thing that may hold me

1135
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 7: up a little bit.

1136
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: You got to get him at the end of the

1137
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: day when he's already you know, put eighty drives over

1138
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: the fairway there.

1139
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: I've seen Tucker at the golf ball. That man is

1140
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: hitting it for miles. He looks like cal Riley in.

1141
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: A whole dirty Two quick questions. One about the Reds.

1142
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: We found out that Hunter Green is going to miss

1143
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: half the season. You had to leave spring training and

1144
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: go get the get his elbow. Looked at man and

1145
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: what does that do for our Reds and back to

1146
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: back playoff appearances.

1147
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could look at it

1148
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 11: two ways. Obviously, it is a long season, and it's

1149
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 11: better that he's going to get it taken care of

1150
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 11: and come back in the middle of the year versus

1151
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 11: it happened in the middle of the year and miss

1152
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 11: the rest of the season. So I guess you could

1153
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 11: look at it that you're gonna get a guy that's fresh,

1154
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 11: hopefully and not have innings on his arm when you're

1155
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 11: trying to make a push to to win the division

1156
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 11: or to get into the playoffs.

1157
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 7: Uh, So you can look at it that way.

1158
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 11: From a positive, positive stance, but obviously the the pessimistic

1159
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 11: side of it is you're not gonna have him for

1160
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 11: the first three or four months of the year. Uh,

1161
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 11: and when he does come back, you're hopeful that you're

1162
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 11: going to get the same guy, uh that that's been

1163
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 11: out there that when he's healthy, he's one of the

1164
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 11: better pitchers in baseball.

1165
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 7: So you you got to look at it.

1166
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 11: I mean, you have no choice to look at it

1167
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 11: in a positive way if you're in the clubhouse with

1168
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 11: the Reds, or you're gonna just kind of play well

1169
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 11: as me and say here we go again, which hopefully

1170
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 11: they don't do. I know, Terry Francona is gonna keep

1171
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 11: those guys in a good spot. They've got a lot

1172
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 11: of good guys in that order and in the organization

1173
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 11: on the staff in the clubhouse that I think they'll

1174
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 11: be they'll be fine. But obviously when you're when you're

1175
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 11: gonna miss your ace for the first half of the year,

1176
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 11: if not longer. Yeah, I mean, you see, you see,

1177
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 11: seasons come down to one game every year, as crazy

1178
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 11: as it is to say that, you play one hundred

1179
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 11: and sixty two games and you you come down to

1180
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 11: the last two or three games of the year and

1181
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 11: they matter. I think that's nuts, but it is the

1182
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 11: beauty that is baseball, so I it is unfortunate.

1183
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 7: I root for Hunter. He's a good kid.

1184
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 11: I've known him since he got drafted. So I hope

1185
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 11: he comes back healthy. I hope it's a quicker recovery

1186
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 11: than maybe some aer saying. And he comes back and

1187
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 11: he's uh, he's the same guy that that when he's healthy,

1188
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 11: because he's electric.

1189
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 4: Tucker.

1190
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 5: I know your kids are still relatively young, but as

1191
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 5: your oldest, you know, springs up a little bit. Do

1192
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 5: you have to remind him a pops was pretty nice,

1193
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 5: you know with the game of baseball, or has that

1194
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 5: you know, come to Jesus moment happened yet?

1195
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 11: So it not with my not with my eight year old,

1196
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 11: because he's he's seen me play and he's been like

1197
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 11: locked in.

1198
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 7: He never wanted to.

1199
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 11: So when in the cities that I played in, we

1200
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 11: were very thankful to have like babysitting during games, so

1201
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 11: my wife could pass off our kids every once in

1202
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 11: a while at the ballpark and the team would hire

1203
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 11: a babysitter to look after the player's kids. So the

1204
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 11: moms could get a little bit of a break. But

1205
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 11: he never wanted to go. He always wanted to sit

1206
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 11: in the seats and watch the game. So he's he's

1207
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 11: watched me for for a long time. But my youngest

1208
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 11: is we went to a funny story. I went to Redsfest,

1209
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 11: which is the Reds fan fest this this offseason as

1210
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 11: a as an alumni, which was kind of crazy, and

1211
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 11: we had to wear jerseys with our names on the back.

1212
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 7: Of them or whatever.

1213
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 11: When we were signing autographs and taking pictures, and my

1214
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 11: youngest looked at me, who's five, He said, Dad, so

1215
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 11: why are you putting that nersey on? And I said, well, buddy,

1216
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 11: like I long ago, like I wouldn't.

1217
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 7: I was kind of good. I kind of want to

1218
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 7: talk to me.

1219
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 11: So they want to take my picture, they want to

1220
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 11: they want an autugra, so I have to. I have

1221
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 11: to kind of remind my youngest every once in a while.

1222
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 7: So that's funny.

1223
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: Hey, one more thing for me before we let you go,

1224
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be talking to you on the regular

1225
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: moving forward. But like, I've been covering sports for over

1226
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: forty years now, and I've been playing or covering my

1227
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: entire life. I don't know that I've ever seen anything

1228
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: quite like Shoe heeo Tani. And we watched that amazing

1229
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: run that he had through the postseason last year, and

1230
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: I watched him the other night hit another home run

1231
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: in the World Baseball Classic, And we know he's one

1232
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: of the better pitchers, and he's clearly the best offensive player.

1233
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: As a former player, now that you don't have to

1234
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: compete against him, are you a little bit in awe

1235
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: of what that guy does on the regular Oh?

1236
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 7: Certainly you know that.

1237
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 11: You know that kid that you played against in the

1238
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 11: little league that was just like far and away better

1239
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 11: than everybody on the on the rec teams, and everybody

1240
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 11: else was like the kid the kids were their parents

1241
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 11: sent just to get him out of the house and

1242
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 11: just kind of be active.

1243
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 7: Right, That's what he's doing to all of his major

1244
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 7: league teammates.

1245
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 11: Like he's the best player on the rec team, that's

1246
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 11: the All Star that's going to go to that's going

1247
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 11: to be the best.

1248
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 7: Player in high school and going to go on to

1249
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 7: college and play.

1250
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 11: But he's doing that in the major leagues, and it's

1251
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 11: it's just truly remarkable. He's making his contract, is what

1252
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 11: seventy million dollars a year, and I think you could,

1253
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 11: you could justify every single dollar of that contract that

1254
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 11: he's making because he's two MVP caliber players in one

1255
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 11: and it's just it's really remarkable, and it is I

1256
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 11: was I mean, you said, now that I'm not playing,

1257
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 11: was I am? I in all of him? I was

1258
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 11: in all I was in all of him when I

1259
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 11: was playing against him. Like, the things that he does

1260
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 11: are just are just crazy.

1261
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 7: You watch a guy that's able to throw.

1262
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 11: One hundred miles an hour on the mound and make

1263
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 11: the best hitters in the world look stupid, and then

1264
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 11: flip it around and go hit and make some of.

1265
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 7: The best pitchers in the world look stupid.

1266
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 11: It's just it's there's there's really no words to kind

1267
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 11: of truly explain what he's doing, but it is just

1268
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 11: it's it's remarkable.

1269
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Really, He's truly that one guy that every team when

1270
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: they're playing against him, all the players get off the

1271
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: bench and they're they're leaning up against the fence to

1272
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: watch what he's doing at the plate.

1273
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 7: Right, no no doubt, no doubt, and on the mound.

1274
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 7: It's it's it's just wild.

1275
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: Really, Hey, thanks for your time today, man. I appreciate

1276
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: it and look forward to seeing you again soon. And

1277
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: you you're welcome anytime. We're gonna have you on whenever

1278
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: you want.

1279
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 7: Man, I appreciate it. I'm looking forward to it. You

1280
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 7: guys call anytime and I'll be glad to chat about whatever.

1281
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: You're the best, Thanks, Tucker, appreciate it, man. All right, buddy,

1282
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Tucker Barnhardt joining us on

1283
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: the Payless Liquors hotline right there. Come on up at

1284
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,240
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1285
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: or you've been otherwise engaged. Maybe you just got off work.

1286
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: The swingshift whatever. Major news in the National Football League

1287
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: and it definitely affects the Indianapolis Colts. Tell you about

1288
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Speaker 1: it next at ninety three five and one oh seven

1289
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Speaker 1: five of the Faith