1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Lie from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: I never said you couldn't say what you want to say. 4 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: You could say anything you choose to say. There are 5 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: consequences for your actions. You've got an employer and you're 6 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: taking talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and you're saying, yeah, yeah, 7 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: you might lose your job. Like let's say you're a 8 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: member of the Secret Service and you think the assassination 9 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk was nothing more than karma. 10 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 3: You might lose your job. That happened. 11 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: By the way, the left is in levels of outrage, 12 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: firing people. This is what the Nazis did. They're always 13 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: calling you a Nazi. So good job in bringing down 14 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: the rhetoric. Now, I should be clear that it is 15 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: not every single Democrat, every single leftist, every single progressive 16 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: who is ratcheting things up, cheering the murder, the assassination 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk and saying we want more of this. 18 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: It isn't. But it's enough to make you take notice. 19 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: It's enough to make. 20 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: You say, isn't the real story here that Charlie Kirk 21 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: was assassinated by a guy who got radicalized at the 22 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: age of twenty two, who lived with a man who 23 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: claimed to be a woman, and they were both into 24 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: the idea of dressing up as animalimals, furries kids, they're 25 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: called furries tony kats, tony kats today. 26 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 3: Good to be with you. 27 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: And while we may joke about some things like furries 28 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: in and of itself, in every instance, take out that 29 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: and replace it with what it is, which is mental illness. Now, 30 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't mind people having a fetish. Everybody's got a fetish. 31 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: Everybody has the thing that they're into. Some are acceptable 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: and some. 33 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: Are not, and some are dangerous and some are not. 34 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: But if you are involved with someone who thinks that 35 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: they are another gender, that person's mentally ill. And it 36 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: is clear that the suspect in this case, again I 37 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: do not use names, this twenty two year old who 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: grew up in a life that would, to a lot 39 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: of people seem standard and normal and run of the 40 00:02:53,560 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: mill and very very suburban white. He was radicalized, absolutely 41 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: radicalized by whom? 42 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: By what? By how many? 43 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: These are all questions, But is there any real difference 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: to the idea of I came from a normal home. 45 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: And now I want to kill Charlie Kirk. Two. 46 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: I came from a normal home, and now I want 47 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: to kill all Western civilization because I'm in Islamist. The 48 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: answer is no, radicals exist everywhere. People can give be 49 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: radicalized from any spot, brainwash from any spot. They were 50 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: just normal young girls until they met Charlie Manson. If 51 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: you want to think that somehow this is new, well 52 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: this is far from new. If you want to ask 53 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 2: how these things happen, how can somebody lead to go 54 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: down this road becoming so radicalized? They say the only 55 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: thing I can do is murder, assassinate Charlie Kirk. Well, 56 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: that's a worthy question. And when I see as I 57 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: see people commenting on the live stream as we are 58 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: there on YouTube, YouTube, dot com, slash, Tony Katz, Facebook, 59 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: Tony Kats Radio, Twitter x Tony Katz, it's radicals and 60 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: extremists on both sides. 61 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Allow me to push back on that, just for a moment. No, 62 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: it's not no, it's not no, it isn't no, it's 63 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: not it's not no, it's not even if you wanted. 64 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: To take a look at January sixth, you are more 65 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: than welcome to do so. A riot indeed a riot, 66 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: indeed an insurrection. Absolutely not, if only so far as 67 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: nowe has been charged with insurrection. And considering half the 68 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: people you threw in jail were invited into the Capitol, 69 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if the direct numbers have but you 70 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: get my point. People engage in violence should be in jail. 71 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: But none of them said I'm going to go after 72 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: a person X like the Bernie bru went after Steve Scalise, 73 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: like this guy assassinated Charlie Kirk, like Butler Pennsylvania, and 74 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: he tried to assassinate then presidential candidate and now President 75 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: of the United States Donald Trump. No, no, no, no, 76 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 2: it is not both sides, and we are not going 77 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: to somehow pretend that we can have this conversation without 78 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: addressing the thing as it is. When Ilhan O Mar 79 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: was shown to be the Jew hating bigot that she is, 80 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: and it was Republicans that wanted to censure her, Democrats 81 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: forced the hand to say that we oppose all this 82 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: type of hate. That wasn't the conversation. No one wants 83 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: to hear about your Islamophobia, nonsense talk, fear of Muslims, 84 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: fear of Islamists. You bet fear of jihadis absolutely islama phobia. 85 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: Stop talking. 86 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: It was about something specific with Ilhan Omar, and then 87 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: it got clouded by saying, well, you see here's it's 88 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: all these things. 89 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: This is not all of these things. 90 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: This is about people being radicalized to a level of progressiveness, 91 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: from a level of progressiveness that leads them to the 92 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: place that the only answer is to kill the people 93 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: they disagree with. This is indeed what happened. The shooter 94 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: is not cooperating. 95 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: With police. 96 00:06:53,440 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: The boyfriend, from everything I am reading, is cooperation rating 97 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: with police. 98 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: That's where this stands. That's where we are here. 99 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: But even to the more of this, and we've had 100 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: word from Cashtel, the FBI director, that fingerprints on the 101 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: towel and fingerprints on this absolutely connect this person, this, 102 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: this killer, with what happened. So they feel, at least 103 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: to the public pronouncements, that they're confident that they have 104 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: the right person, that this is going to happen to. 105 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: This person's going to be found guilty. 106 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: And as Senator Senator sorry, Governor Spencer Cox from Utah explains, 107 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: Utah has the death penalty. 108 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: I do not know what they're going to do in 109 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: this case. But we've seen a lot of people cheer. 110 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: They're singing songs things I can't play for you on radio. 111 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: Come now. 112 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: They're excited, they're thrilled, they're overjoyed. Ha ha, I got shot 113 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: in the neck. Ain't that. 114 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: It's a lot of cheering of death. 115 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: It lets you know who they are, and it lets 116 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: you know exactly how what time it is, how serious 117 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: the situation is. I said this last week. I have 118 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: said this to everyone I know. I'm saying it now. 119 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: This will not end. It won't end. The only way 120 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: out is through. The only way out is through. We 121 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: have to get through this, and that is going to 122 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: take time, a lot of time. Do you think that magically, somehow, 123 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: these people, these hateful, vile people, are going to stop. 124 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna stop, but they're gonna stop calling you 125 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Nazis and bigots and fascists whatever other name they can 126 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: come up with because they disagree with you or you 127 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: disagree with them. No, no, they're not going to stomp 128 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: like Jews wandering the desert for forty years. Why do 129 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: you think it took forty years? They were that bad directions. 130 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: Nobody had a map or a compass which said Wait 131 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: a second, Wait a second, I remember that tree. 132 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: We should turn left, not right. No one stop it. 133 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: You wandered forty years in the desert to get rid 134 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: of the slave mentality being a slave to Pharaoh. 135 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: That's why you did it. 136 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: Does anybody question if Hamas was destroyed today you think 137 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: the Palestinians can self covern You're don't need two generations 138 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: to get the hate out of their heads. What makes 139 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: you think that a political left ideology that for ten 140 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: years has been told that Trump is the threat. And then, 141 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: of course you have the Dobbs decision in the overturning 142 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: of Roe v. Wade, which for fifty years the left 143 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: was taught was their religion. Religion was terrible, but abortion 144 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: was a religion. That's what they were taught, That's what 145 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: they were shown. You think that you're gonna get now 146 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, these people say, Okay, we were 147 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: not going to be so hateful now. There is no 148 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: one who disagrees with the reality that there will be 149 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: other attacks. I'm certainly hoping that it's not on me, 150 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: and I'm hoping it is not on anyone, but we 151 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: should be clear they are going to be further attacks. 152 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: Just take a look at the reactions, take a look 153 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: at the pronouncements, take a look at how people are 154 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: engaged and what excites them. This was Jamel Hill, who 155 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: can't help her bigotry. 156 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: Suspect has been identified as Tyler Robinson, twenty two years old, 157 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: and of course, as you all know, in the wake 158 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: of Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount of angry 159 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 4: discourse from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals, saying 160 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: you're the reason this happened. 161 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,359 Speaker 3: Only to find. 162 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: Out, surprise, twenty two year old white dude. 163 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 4: Love guns, raised. 164 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: By two parents, lived in a good home. 165 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: Dad is a minister, also a sheriff. Didn't check it 166 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: in on boxes, y'all thought even checked diddy. 167 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: She's excited that the guy is white. Doesn't ask why 168 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: was he radicalized? Doesn't ask why did he do this? Nope, 169 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: that's actually wanting to dig in to understand. 170 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: But Jamel Hill is only surface. 171 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: Jamel Hill's level of depth doesn't get past Melanin never will. 172 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: This is the only thing she cares about. Why is 173 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: this the only thing you care about? What leads somebody 174 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: to want to do this? 175 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: That is something we should know so we say civil 176 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: society can say, hey, here's how we thwart these things, 177 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: to do the best we can to help prevent this 178 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: in the future. She's thrilled that Charlie Kirk's assassin was white. 179 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: I wonder if I took a look at Chicago over 180 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: the weekend and the death count, how many of those 181 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: killers were white? 182 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Is she? And we don't got to talk about it. 183 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 3: If you want to make it racial, everything becase comes Rachel. 184 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: Nothing actually ever gets handled, which is, why are people 185 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: killing themselves in the streets in Chicago or Saint Louis 186 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: or name your big city. And why did this guy 187 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: assassinate Charlie Kirk? 188 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: How did he get radicalized? What happened? 189 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to blame Jamel Hill, but cheering, 190 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: Thank goodness. 191 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 3: It was a white guy. Man. That is. 192 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: That is part of the disease culture that's causing the problems. 193 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: That's part of the. 194 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: Let's not address the real deep issues, keep its surface 195 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: as long as I can get it off my plate. 196 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: This is on all of our plates. I've got a 197 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 3: lot to get to. I'm glad you guys are here. 198 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: Stick stick around. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz 199 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: Today