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Speaker 1: Connecticut Sun yesterday joining us now to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Pat Boiling is the television voice of the Indiana Fever,

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Speaker 1: joins us on the always busy and once again available

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Speaker 1: to be sponsored guest line, Pat we will Sophie Cunningham

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Speaker 1: is having an MRI today as I understand it. Do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately know the Fever will have fortunately a couple

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to this in terms of before we

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Speaker 1: go into like I guess, the Doom and Gloom have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it wasn't just Kelsey Mitchell. That would

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Speaker 2: You know, the Feaver went into the half really on

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Speaker 2: They're going to need a big time effort and big

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Speaker 2: And you know, as has been discussed here, that twenty

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Speaker 1: Pat, if we got into this earlier, and I'm curious

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Speaker 1: two guys sitting around over beer nuts. Okay, If if

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Speaker 1: Pat Boiler to our guest, he is the television voice

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Speaker 1: of the Indiana Fever Fever yesterday winning and overtime over Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to expand on that, Pat, tell me what

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to suggest that the team without

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Speaker 2: To say things. This team has a terrific togetherness, a

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Speaker 1: Hey, Pat, how many variations of teams have the Fever

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Speaker 1: Pat. By the way, you you are a Ball State cardinal, right, chirp, chirp. Correct,

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Speaker 1: You know, you raise an interesting point there in our

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Speaker 2: You know, when all of the cable and bundling started happening,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in conclusion, and I mean this sincerely, I

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Speaker 2: Thank you for not making me follow Eddie White. I

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Speaker 1: Trust me. I don't know that I follow him on

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Speaker 1: Well, let's you know, sometimes the sun in can creep

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Speaker 1: It seemed to me, in watching and seeing the reaction

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Speaker 1: from those that attended in Westfield, that one of the

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Speaker 1: things that is very invigorating to fans of live is

434
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Speaker 1: that it's like the Waste Management Open is the one

435
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Speaker 1: golf tournament where people can kick back and be loud

436
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: and play music and be young, and every sport now

437
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: is trying to get that thirty five and under audience,

438
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: and Live golf seems to get away from the traditional

439
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: etiquette and rules and overall nature of the PGA and

440
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: is more like a party like atmosphere and people are

441
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Speaker 1: intrigued by that. And it goes without saying there are

442
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Speaker 1: great golfers in it that I understand, but it does

443
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: not seem that there are many people that are just

444
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: kind of casual about this. They're either all in or

445
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: they're all out. Eddie White was therefore, I believe two

446
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Speaker 1: of the days out in Westfield and joins us now

447
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Speaker 1: on the program. Eddie, is any of what I just

448
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Speaker 1: said within the realm of accurate.

449
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Speaker 3: It's all accurate. And first of all, I'm going to

450
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Speaker 3: answer your question. But first, you know, I don't get

451
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: a chance to talk to you publicly a lot, which

452
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: I do enjoy our private conversations. But I thought of

453
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Speaker 3: you the other day. I'm gonna answer your question a

454
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Speaker 3: whole lot. A second, I was at the State Fair,

455
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Speaker 3: and I don't know if anything in the world, you know,

456
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: never disappoints like the State Fair. You have a crappy

457
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: super Bowl. When you're the State Fair, it's fantastic. And

458
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: I thought of you because you know, and I want

459
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Speaker 3: to say, is public there are a few people who

460
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: are absolute, one percent real, no phony about them in

461
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: their advocacy and their flat out ambassador role for why

462
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: we live here and why we love living here. I

463
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: wasn't born here, I didn't grow up here, but man,

464
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: I love this place. It's just neat and you're always

465
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Speaker 3: out there doing stuff promoting that, and I want to

466
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 3: thank you for that, and you're one hundred percent right,

467
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: and I and I just I support you, and and

468
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: I just wanted to tell you that I want people

469
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Speaker 3: to know that that there's there's a real good person there.

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Speaker 1: And no, no, and I appreciate that. But I'm curious because, uh,

471
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Speaker 1: there's a guy on social media that attacks me all

472
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Speaker 1: the time named Ed hollerand that says that I hate

473
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Speaker 1: the Colts and everything about it and that I'm a

474
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Speaker 1: fake hometown hero.

475
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you can.

476
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Speaker 3: You can have opinions and somebody can like the Colts,

477
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: not like the Colts, like the Pacers, like this trade,

478
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: don't like the trade. That's that's life. I mean, I know,

479
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: in the grand scheme, the big picture of the of

480
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: our country and of our world, it's become marry me

481
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: against you, and it's hateful and whatever. I mean. I'm

482
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: from a generation where you can have a Democratic presidential

483
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: sign in your yard and the guy next you can

484
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: have the Republican candidate and guess what, they shove each

485
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: other's sidewalks, They help each other out. There was no hatred,

486
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: There was no, we can't have that. And you can

487
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: have a different opinion and still have great respect for somebody.

488
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you and I probably agree on maybe fifty

489
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: percent of the stuff. It doesn't mean I don't like you.

490
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: We can respect each other's opinion. So that guy's nuts.

491
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: But you can love Indiana and you can love the place.

492
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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know there's thing that drive you crazy.

493
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 3: You love Shannon, I love my wife. At times they

494
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: drive us nuts and we think they're one hundred percent wrong.

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: We're not gonna tell them that because we want to

496
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Speaker 3: stay with them. You know, that's what they're not. Back

497
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: to your lifting. I went Friday to see some people

498
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that I knew there, and yes, I went to see it.

499
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Speaker 3: And I'm from a generation that a lot of people

500
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Speaker 3: my age and older don't like it.

501
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Speaker 4: Uh.

502
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Speaker 3: They call it gimmick golf, and they don't like the

503
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: whole Saudi thing, which which Leo, let's address that elephant

504
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: in the room right out of the gate. Listen, did

505
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: we not go to China for the Olympics. I think

506
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: China does some bad things to certain people over there.

507
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: Do we not go to Russia? Let me ask those people,

508
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: are you advocating that the city and the state says

509
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: no to that unbelievable event that's going to come to

510
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: Lukasol Stadium under the tagline the w w E. The

511
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: WWE has gone to Saudi Arabia for the last ten years.

512
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: So you're not advocating that the state of Indianas you

513
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: can't come here. You're working with the Saudi's. No, every

514
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: country's done bad things, hello, even the Red and Blue. Okay,

515
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: so now let's get back to the live thing. Yes,

516
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: it is unique. They're going for the younger people. Jake.

517
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: You know me. I've been over twenty Masters. I've been

518
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: to the PGA at Crooked Stick, We've had a couple

519
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: of BMW's, We've had the Solheim Cup. I've been to

520
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: the Memorial and other golf events. I've never seen so

521
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: many kids under the age of twenty at a golf

522
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: event having a blast. Their shirts are out, there's noise,

523
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: there's music, there's activity. And what really helped Chatam and

524
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: I give Chatham a tremendous amount of credit because that

525
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: course was not built to host an event. It was

526
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: built to sell homes and have a golf course for

527
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: the people who live on the homes to play. It

528
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: wasn't built for a pro event. They did a marvelous job.

529
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: What really helped that event is what's something that Lived

530
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: created and is genius. It's shotgun starts. There's action on

531
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Speaker 3: every hole right from the get go. If you and

532
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: what's that voice that you do for the guy? You

533
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: do your thirst and how the third, one?

534
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Speaker 1: Fourth? Yeah?

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah, can you do that for me please?

536
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: That's correct? Yes, you know I used to enjoy a

537
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: golf until they live. It's a little bit too raucous

538
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: for me.

539
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: Okay, mister Listens, would do you have a chalet at

540
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Speaker 3: number twelve? Sir?

541
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Speaker 1: Right?

542
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Speaker 3: If you?

543
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: If you did it?

544
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Speaker 3: Okay, well if it gets true, because you canna afford it.

545
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Speaker 3: If you have a chilet on a twelve hole of

546
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: a regular event, you canna have no action for three

547
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 3: hours and you're just sitting there drinking, eat and waiting.

548
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: What Live did is the action is going on right

549
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: from the get go. It's four and a half hours

550
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: and then a concert. And it was If I picked

551
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: one word to describe it, it was fun. Now is

552
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: it everybody's cup of team?

553
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: No?

554
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: Is it gimmick golf? No? I do kind of like

555
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 3: the team concept, the shot making. How many chippins did

556
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: we see? How many long putts did we see? How

557
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: many tremendous drives with carries did we see? Those guys

558
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: can play, And yes they're a little long in the tooth,

559
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: some of them aren't. John Rahm could play right now.

560
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: He can dominate on the PGA Tour. They're really good golfers.

561
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: It's just different. And if we learned anything as the years,

562
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: and in you and I case our cases, the decades

563
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 3: have gone by. What you and I grew up with,

564
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: the sports that we grew up on, like anything else,

565
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: has totally changed. And this is just part Look at

566
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: putting a guy on second face to start the tenth inning.

567
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: That's something that maybe somebody would do in our little

568
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: league days, not in professional baseball, but they do it.

569
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: It's just different. In this case, it was successful for Westfield.

570
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: The tagline Indianapolis was seen all over the world. I

571
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: loved incorporating the five hundred, having the winner out there

572
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: at East Smusen and tyn it, having Rob take the

573
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: bottle of milk and pour it over his head. Who

574
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: doesn't like that? That is all good for Indiana.

575
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Speaker 1: Well, that's Okay. One of the things I found interesting, Eddie,

576
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: and this is me overthinking things, okay, but I'm curious

577
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: of this. For Chatham Hills and for the city of Westfield.

578
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: It was very to me that Westfield in general, the

579
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Speaker 1: city of the town, city, whichever you want to refer

580
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: to it, but that Westfield was very excited about understandably

581
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: the image the promotion of their community with this coupled

582
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: with the colts being there for training camp like the

583
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: one one leaving while the others coming into town would

584
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Speaker 1: live right, And then I see it in the entire

585
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Speaker 1: and I get from a marketing standpoint, why from live standpoint, yes,

586
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Speaker 1: Westfield is Indianapolis Metro, I mean it's Indianapolis. Nobody knows

587
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: what Westfield, Indiana is outside of Central Indiana. I get that,

588
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: but I'm curious. Was there letdown or disappointment for the

589
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: infrastructure of the community of Westfield of having it being

590
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: internationally labeled as Indianapolis.

591
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: That's a good question that maybe their mayor could answer.

592
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: But I think the financial benefit and I mean all

593
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: the hotels, the restaurants that we had to get gas

594
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: and all the people who got work as either parking

595
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: lot vendors or people rented their homes to players, order

596
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: corporations who had parties in the homes, a lot of

597
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: people in Westfield. Again, whatever you want to call it,

598
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: a town, a city, or whatever. They made a lot

599
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: of money and it was successful. Now Westfield can go

600
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: out and use that to get other businesses to maybe

601
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: come to Westfield. I mean, Grand Park is incredible. You know,

602
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: the Colts had just moved out, but there was a

603
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: National Championship softball tournament going on at the same time

604
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: over at Grand Park. So if you're Westfield and you're

605
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: competing with Carmel, you're competing with Noblesville. Look what the

606
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: mayor Noblesville has done bringing the boom up there and

607
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: building that building. I mean, there's so much going on

608
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: north of the city. They're crazy not to use the

609
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: Indianapolis tag. But at the end of the day, it's

610
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: going to be a benefit to their city, their borough,

611
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: their town, whatever we want to call it. And maybe, yeah,

612
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: maybe you'd love to have seen Westfield on the headline

613
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: for all the logos instead of Indianapolis. But you know,

614
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when you do that

615
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: net net, it was a win regardless of any way

616
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: you want to look at it.

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Speaker 1: Where did things stand? Eddie? Eddie White is our guest,

618
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: of course, you know him on the postgame shows for

619
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers and and being the only one that

620
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: picks up his dinner when he goes to eat with

621
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Speaker 1: Mark Boyle, the Eddie when Live and Goal in the PGA.

622
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: When Live was first announced, you know, it was this

623
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: great division and then all of a sudden there was

624
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: this hoay kumbayad that they were actually going to join

625
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: forces again and rejoin But where do things stand with that?

626
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: That seems to have kind of gone on the back burner.

627
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: It really has. That's a great way of putting it,

628
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: because about a year and a half ago it was

629
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Speaker 3: on the front burner and you had the guys involved,

630
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: including Tiger Woods, in those meetings, and then it has

631
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: gone dormant for probably a year and a half, and

632
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: I think maybe they both realized, you know what, we're

633
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: just going to try to coexist and see what's going on.

634
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: That The thing to watch now that the PGA Tour

635
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: is going to end this season this weekend down in

636
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: East Lake in Atlanta, is where will there be And

637
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: I'll use your word from earlier poaching. Will you know

638
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: Live supposedly gave the nod that they were done after

639
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: they got Rom whomever for for years said I'm not

640
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: going to that tour. Well he went. But now that

641
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: they haven't come to an agreement, does Live say, Okay,

642
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: it looks like we're still at war. Uh let's go

643
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: get some people. We're not gonna get Scotty Scheffler. But uh,

644
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: you know Rom said no for a couple of years.

645
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: You know, is Rory Now he's getting older and he's

646
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Speaker 3: one of his masters. He's ready to say, hey, I'll

647
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Speaker 3: take the money and I'll come. Uh you hope that.

648
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, as much as I love golf,

649
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what the solution is. I don't know

650
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: how you could do it. I mean, you can't put

651
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: a live tournament within a PGA event. And you know,

652
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Speaker 3: maybe you do off weekends and have guys that maybe

653
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Speaker 3: can play both and so you can play on the

654
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Speaker 3: live and have a team concept and the next week

655
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Speaker 3: we have a regular tour event in Charlotte. Maybe that's possible.

656
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: The money's there, the money is certainly there. But but

657
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: to your question, and it was you do you know

658
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: you talk like you don't know much about golf. You

659
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Speaker 3: know more than than you're letting on. You're right, it

660
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: had been dormant for at least a year and a half.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then my last question is this the team I

662
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: know that lived this weekend crowned like a season champion,

663
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Speaker 1: and then they have the the individual champions. I guess

664
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Speaker 1: is that hoky or is this like other things that

665
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: we see, something that the PGA even is going to

666
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to because that coveted, younger audience

667
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: in a quicker, shorter life span lifestyle is appealed by that.

668
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Speaker 1: And therefore, even though it seems gimmicky and hokey, it's

669
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Speaker 1: something not unlike the red, white and blue ball of

670
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Speaker 1: the ABA and the three point shot that the big

671
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: league is going to have to pay attention to.

672
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Who's the best golfer on

673
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Speaker 3: the PGA Tour right now this year? By far?

674
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Speaker 1: Scotty s shefflerud be my guest. I don't pay attention

675
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Speaker 1: to it on a week to week bas you.

676
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Speaker 3: Are one hundred percent correct, he is the best golfer

677
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: by far. I believe he's won five events this year

678
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: it's two years in the row I believe or something

679
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: like that. He's won five. Last guy I do that

680
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: was tie, so he's probably the best guy. Well, Tommy Fleetwood,

681
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: who has never won on the PGA Tour, could win

682
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: this week in Atlanta at East Lake and he would

683
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: be crowned the FedEx Cup Champion Golfer of the Year.

684
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 3: They get a lot of money for that winning one

685
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: time this weekend, So it's not too different than what

686
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: Live just did where John Rahm, who did not win

687
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: a tournament all year. He was competitive, had a couple

688
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: of runner ups, but they have this complicated system and

689
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: you know he was behind going into Sunday's match, beyond

690
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Speaker 3: a guy who would have won it. He played well enough,

691
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Speaker 3: didn't win the event, got it to the extra hole,

692
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Speaker 3: but he at least was so competitive he won the

693
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Speaker 3: Golfer of the Year. Now this weekend, Live continues to

694
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Speaker 3: Michigan where they're going to have a team championship and

695
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: they're basically on the playing match on Wednesday where eighteen

696
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Speaker 3: will be eliminated and not compete over the weekend. So

697
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Speaker 3: they have their individual champion and now they have their team.

698
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: Of course, PGA doesn't have a team, but it's it's

699
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: similar but different, but not so different that you'd say, oh,

700
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: what they're doing is gimmicky golf. It's just different. And

701
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: you and I started this conversation fifteen minutes ago talking

702
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Speaker 3: about it's just different. It's it's and it may not

703
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Speaker 3: be your cup of tea. And maybe this old part

704
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Speaker 3: that is a Byron Nelson Wan of War his shirt out. No,

705
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Speaker 3: he would not.

706
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Speaker 2: It was different back then.

707
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Speaker 3: But you know what it is what it is. And

708
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Speaker 3: you asked all those people three days in a row

709
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Speaker 3: sold out in Westfield, and I haven't heard one person.

710
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: I've a bunch who been there somewhat just for the

711
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: concert but enjoyed the golf. I've talked to young people

712
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: and old people that more people are now in to

713
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: live because they were here and they had a great

714
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Speaker 3: experience than they were last Tuesday afternoon.

715
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Speaker 1: So an die, that's what we're getting at, right, I.

716
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Speaker 3: Don't think so. I don't think so. I think it's

717
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Speaker 3: here and it may changees for that. And what's going

718
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Speaker 3: to be interesting is, you know, Bill Micholson's getting old

719
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: at the point now where he really wasn't competitive this weekend,

720
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Speaker 3: but man, he made some long punts and he's still

721
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: the people's champion. But they're gonna have to fill some

722
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: spots and you're gonna have to maybe go and get

723
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Speaker 3: some guys off the PGA tour and the least live

724
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Speaker 3: is I don't think they're making money, but they're making

725
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: more today than they did ever. And you know, look

726
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: at it. This weekend in Indianapolis was the highest attended

727
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: event he had the United States, not more than Dallas,

728
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: more than Chicago, Westfield, Indianapolis. More people showed up. It

729
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: shows us this is the golf market. And again I've

730
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: got to clarify that we don't have an annual tour event,

731
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Speaker 3: which is very challenging the communities because you've got to

732
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Speaker 3: support it year in and year out. But when we

733
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Speaker 3: bring in a BMW or PGA Championship for a soul

734
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Speaker 3: High Cup, or in a couple of years, Crooked Stick

735
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Speaker 3: will host the US Senior Open and tiger Woods will

736
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Speaker 3: be over fifty at that time, I hope he wants

737
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: to compete, he plays, you know, it's gonna be an event.

738
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be an event. An interesting though to see

739
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Speaker 3: will Mickelson be able to mend enough fence is to be

740
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Speaker 3: able to come back and play in that US Senior

741
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Speaker 3: open at crooked Stick.

742
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Difference between live and the hair of Eddie White. There's

743
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: no die and live that much.

744
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: But Pete Dye did design both the course.

745
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Speaker 1: Yeah nice, he did.

746
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 3: Not pay for my dinner with Boyle. I let Boyle

747
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: pay for the whole thing, and he gloriously does it

748
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Speaker 3: and loves doing it.

749
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe you sent me a text that said differently,

750
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Speaker 1: but I'll check. Eddie appreciated as always fake news.

751
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 3: Hey tell Shannon, we said, Hi, I love your brother.

752
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Speaker 1: I We'll do. Eddie White joining us on the program. Okay,

753
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: big discussion, Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones. Mike Chapple

754
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: joins us now as he is kind enough to do

755
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Speaker 1: each and every week from w x I, N Foxington

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Speaker 1: and CBS four. Mike, let's begin with this. I have

757
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Speaker 1: several things I want to unpack, including some audio from

758
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Speaker 1: Carli urse Gordon from the Colts and Packers game on

759
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Speaker 1: the television broadcast where she joined Greg Regstraw and as

760
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: well Rick Venturi. As a matter of fact, Chap, if

761
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Speaker 1: you're cool that, here's what we're gonna do. I'm just

762
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Speaker 1: gonna play first off, one of the things that she

763
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Speaker 1: had to say, and I want kind of your your

764
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Speaker 1: reaction to it. Are you cool with that? Chap?

765
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I just got up the film with Carly

766
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Speaker 4: and her and I were discussing this quarterback situation.

767
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Speaker 1: But go ahead, Okay, well, let's get to that. Let's

768
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Speaker 1: start with that.

769
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Speaker 3: I'm blowing. Okay.

770
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, I mean that that's believable,

771
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Speaker 1: knowing your knowing, your connection, you know what I mean.

772
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Speaker 1: That's that's believable. Okay, So but let's let's begin with this.

773
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Speaker 1: When she was asked, there are a couple of things,

774
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Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me if anything jumps

775
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: out at you, Mike. When she was asked about the

776
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Speaker 1: quarterback situation, here is Carly Ursa Gordon.

777
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Speaker 5: It's the very expensive question I think that everyone's wondering about.

778
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Speaker 6: And I think the best thing.

779
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Speaker 5: This is one of the best camps we've had in

780
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Speaker 5: a quite a long time.

781
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Speaker 6: And I think one of the things that.

782
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Speaker 5: We talked about in June was there's nothing that like

783
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Speaker 5: makes the I think the good things rise to the

784
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 5: surface better than competition. And I think having Daniel in

785
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Speaker 5: here with Anthony, he's you know, he's obviously had more

786
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Speaker 5: experience than Anthony. But I think that room as a whole.

787
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Speaker 5: They you know, they're competing in camp, but they are

788
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 5: you know, they they've done thing as well. They've also

789
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: made mistakes. So again it's uh, Shane is going to

790
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Speaker 5: have a tough decision to make, but I feel confident

791
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Speaker 5: he's going to make the right decision.

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Speaker 1: Chap your initial reaction in hearing that.

793
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, she she's very good. She learned from

794
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Speaker 4: her father a lot. As far as being vague, but

795
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Speaker 4: it's an expensive question that's got to be answered. It

796
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Speaker 4: just does. And I think that's kind of where it

797
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Speaker 4: falls on. And the competition part, I I just wonder.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's been it's been competitive, and it's kind

799
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Speaker 4: of been a crazy training camp because when one has

800
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 4: played well, the others played well, and when one hasn't,

801
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: the other struggled. So I don't know. And have we

802
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: seen growth from from Anthony Richardson? Yes, uh And I

803
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: really think Daniel Jones has sort of been as advertised

804
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Speaker 4: And whether that's a compliment or not, I don't know.

805
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 4: Uh So I And but this is where we are,

806
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: like reading tea leaves and trying to parcel over words.

807
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: We did the same thing with Shane stick and after

808
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Speaker 4: the game, so I don't know that she tipped her hand.

809
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 4: I thought she tipped her hand a little bit more.

810
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Speaker 4: She had an interview with coach dot Com. I think

811
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Speaker 4: it was before camp or when campb on, whatever it was,

812
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Speaker 4: and and she kind of paireded what I guess Chris

813
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 4: Ballder repaired to what she said about how they're not

814
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: ready to give up on Antony Richardson. He's got this

815
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Speaker 4: great potential and they wanted to be here. So I

816
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 4: just Doug on, I just want coach to make a

817
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: decision so that the fanbase can either applaud it or

818
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 4: tear it apart, and we can move on unto whoever

819
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 4: that guy is Falters and then ereboy, it will be

820
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Speaker 4: yelling for the next cate of comm Well.

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Speaker 1: But okay, chap here's where what I find interesting. You

822
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: mentioned that about, you know, Shane Stikeen and having to

823
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Speaker 1: make this decision. I want to play for you. This

824
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Speaker 1: is Shane Stikeen on the evaluation of quarterback and the

825
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: factors of picking one of these two guys.

826
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Speaker 2: It's everything right, The operation the communication in the huddle

827
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Speaker 2: that checks getting guys on the same page.

828
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Speaker 1: The consistency of all that obviously is going to play

829
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Speaker 1: a big factor in this. Okay, he keeps going back

830
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Speaker 1: to that, And the reason I mentioned that, Chap is

831
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Speaker 1: because it is my opinion now that the reason Daniel

832
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Speaker 1: Jones is still continued in this conversation is because all

833
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: any tie would go to Anthony Richardson. They have more

834
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Speaker 1: invested in him. Symbolically, he's younger, he seemingly has more upside,

835
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Speaker 1: He's had fewer starts, he has more intrigue. But because

836
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken keeps going back to and telling us repeatedly

837
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Speaker 1: that it's more than just mechanics, yardage and production, that

838
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: leads me to believe that he feels better about the

839
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: leadership and the intangibles of Daniel Jones than he does

840
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. Tell me why I'm wrong.

841
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Speaker 4: That's what I came away from. I thought that quote

842
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: there was another one. To me, I'm thinking rest Daniel Jones.

843
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: It just is, and I think it'll be a very

844
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: interesting discussion, although I think they've already had it, maybe

845
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: yesterday today whatever between Stikeen and Chris Battle and Carly.

846
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 4: I think they've had that discussion, and that's what you

847
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: had to decide, is do you want what is is

848
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 4: the more knowable what we're going to get with Daniel

849
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: Jones because I think I think you know he's shown

850
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: US industry with the Giants, this is kind of who

851
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: he is. More better completion, not great, but better completion

852
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: percentage certainly no chunk play, not enough chunk plays, but

853
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: and maybe a better grasp of things around him. I

854
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: don't know as opposed with Richardson is my guy. The

855
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: sky's a limit and so in the floor is so

856
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: low with him. So yeah, I thought in my gain

857
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: and I'm still in the camp, I think they need

858
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Speaker 4: to start Richardson because because because it's an expensive decision

859
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Speaker 4: and they have got to know.

860
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: When you say expensive decision, do you mean because you'd

861
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: be paying thirteen million for Daniel Jones to hold a

862
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: clipboard or do you mean symbolically speaking, I'm not being

863
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: going forward.

864
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 4: You're paying Jones thirteen million whether he holds his clipboard

865
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: or whatever, or start seventeen games. I'm my mind, is

866
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 4: I understand? Or Shane steike and and Chris Baller two

867
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: is who gives us the best chance to win.

868
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Now.

869
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: They have to win now. I thought Carter did a

870
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: really good job of not answering anglis Rick Venturi about

871
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 4: what needs to be done this year and all that.

872
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: Maybe it was maybe it was Rake said ask it

873
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: and she really didn't answer it, which I don't know how.

874
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: I didn't think expect her to. But I'm looking more

875
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: past this year and at the end of the season,

876
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: you've got to know what you got with Richardson. Is

877
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 4: he your guy or are you looking elsewhere? Yes, there's

878
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: the fifth year option you need to exercise. I think

879
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: it may but if it's if it's not Richardson, then

880
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 4: who is it. Are you going to give Daniel Jones

881
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: forty forty five million dollars next year? Or are you

882
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: starting this this quarterback search all over again with probably

883
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: a crappy draft pick fourteen fifteen sixteen, because this is

884
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: not going to this is not going to be a

885
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: four win team. I just I can't. I don't see that.

886
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: So I again, my whole thing is they've got to

887
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: figure out if Richardson is the guy. In my mind,

888
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: the only way to do it starting and if he

889
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: gets hurt or he doesn't play well, you binge him

890
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 4: now the injury when he had bench himself, and then

891
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: you know, okay, this we can't trust this guy. And

892
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 4: at the end of the season we'll figure out where

893
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: they're going to trade him, tell him whatever. But I

894
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: just think you can't be well, we just don't have

895
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 4: enough information at the end of the season, and and

896
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 4: maybe you have enough information at already, maybe some segments

897
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 4: of the team says this guy.

898
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: Can't we can't go forward.

899
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: With this guy. I can't imagine that because he shows

900
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 4: you just enough to to sort of tease you. Richardson does,

901
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: so I say it needs to be Richardson. I think

902
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 4: looking get this schedule the first half of the season,

903
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: which I think is so is so conducive to getting

904
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: up to a good start. But guys, they need competent

905
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: play at quarterbacks. And whether or not Daniel Jones's uh

906
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: level bar sort of is more conducy to that or

907
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: Richardson's you know, three good plays and and one bad play,

908
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 4: which I can live with. Three good plays and three

909
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: bad plays isn't doable. That That's where I'm at. I

910
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 4: didn't think Carly really tipped her hand. I keep wondering

911
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: if Stike and did I really do.

912
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with that.

913
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: That's and and and that's but that's where we go.

914
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: It almost feels like Japan. It almost feels like, honestly

915
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: like Stichen is wanting us to take the hint.

916
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean that again. That that's that's how

917
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: I Steven Howard and I were talking about that, and

918
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: he sort of won me over and we talked about it,

919
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 4: and I just think that's to me that that rings

920
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: of Daniel Jones. And maybe I'm again way off base, uh,

921
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: but and I do think I know there's gonna be

922
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 4: three voices in the discussion with Carly and head coach

923
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: and GM the boy that the head coach has got

924
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 4: to make it. It's gotta be his call. Which if

925
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: it's two to one.

926
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Chap. I'm sorry.

927
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: If it's two to one and the one is Singstyke

928
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 4: and who wants this guy, I think you had to

929
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: let the head coach make the call because he's with

930
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: the guy every day, he's calling plays for on every day.

931
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 4: I hopefully they make the decision. I wish they'd make

932
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: it today and we get the coach on the zoom

933
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: and it's over with. I think he'll make it tomorrow,

934
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 4: but this needs to end so that we know where

935
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 4: this team is going forward.

936
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: Okay, right now, I want to play for you one

937
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: other clip from carl Ers Gordon because I found something

938
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: very interesting in this and I want to know, Mike

939
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Chappell of CBS four and WU if you caught on

940
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: to the same thing here that almost might have been

941
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: a Freudian like PTSD comment. This is Carli Ors Gordon

942
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: from Saturday's television broadcast with Greg, Greg Straw and Rick

943
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Venturi talking about the working relationship between Shane Steichen and

944
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard.

945
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 5: We are so grateful to have Chris and Shane because

946
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 5: I think Rick can probably speak to this. If you're

947
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 5: a head coach and you don't get along with your

948
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 5: general manager and you don't trust them, it's a total nightmare.

949
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 6: So I think the great thing about.

950
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 5: Chris and Shane is they don't always agree, but they

951
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 5: they discuss it, and I think they make better decisions

952
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: because they each have a unique kind of approach that

953
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 5: I think makes us better as a whole.

954
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: Okay, chap, let me tell you what I took from

955
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: that that first off, Did anything were there any words

956
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: there that jumped out to you in bold or I

957
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: tell print.

958
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: No. But then there was one of the little things

959
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 4: at the end of that where she said, I think

960
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: one of them asks, well, how will you figure into it?

961
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 4: And she said, well, I'll ask The question is like,

962
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: you know, really is that what you want to do?

963
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 4: But no, I will Shane Stike and Chris Power agree

964
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: on this decision. I think there'll be some some some

965
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: disagreement maybe on how they arrive at it, but then

966
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: then then they'll be on board. That's that's the only

967
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: way it works. You just can't. You just can't, you know,

968
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 4: disagree and then not be on board.

969
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Going forward to whether or not that jumped out to

970
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: me chap as somebody who was well aware of witnessed

971
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: and still goes back to the non working relationship in

972
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: the end between Chuck Pagano and Ryan Grigson.

973
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and again you can. I don't think Jim

974
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: Or is saying Bill pullyan Broy's hugging in high five

975
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 4: in meeting all the time. I think, I bet Bill

976
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: Pully and grim sheiverse just crazy sometimes I really do,

977
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: which is fine. You can't have a guy that just

978
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: sits there, nods, and you know, whether it's whether it's

979
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 4: your scouts or whatever, you've got to have people who

980
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 4: push back and that's how you move forward.

981
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: But Chap, here's what I find fascinating, and this is

982
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: me overthinking it. You. You and I had a discussion

983
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: the other day. I think about the fact that you know,

984
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: I confess to you that maybe I overthink things too much. Right, right,

985
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: But in this situation, to me, maybe not even overtly,

986
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: maybe subconsciously, that was the new owner of the Indianapolis Colton.

987
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: By new owner, I mean, you know, newly the highest position. Okay,

988
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: that was her saying, Guys, I've seen it before, Shane

989
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: Stike and Chris baalor I've seen it before. I know

990
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: what happens when a GM and a head coach don't

991
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: see eye to eye and you're not expecting to see

992
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: EE and I on everything. But if Shane Steiken goes

993
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: with a decision, because in my opinion, Chap, if Shane

994
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Steken goes with Daniel Jones, then that is taking the

995
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: most important decision from a personnel standpoint that Chris Ballard

996
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: has had to make as the general manager of the

997
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. And it is immediately putting into question Chris

998
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: Ballard's ability to decipher whether or not a player has

999
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: the totality to be trusted with the franchise. And so

1000
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: if Shane Steiken is going to make a decision that

1001
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: somewhat usurps the authoritative judgment of Chris Ballard. That is

1002
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: her preemptively saying to those two guys, that's allowed, but

1003
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: you better not let it put a wedge between the

1004
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: two of you. That was a preemptive statement by her.

1005
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 4: That's what I say. I mean, you disagree, and you disagree,

1006
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 4: but then when the decision is made, then you move

1007
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: forward as a unit. But let's keep in mind one

1008
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: thing where you say, U serve's the biggest decision that

1009
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 4: Ballor's made, And it's true with Richardson, but Shane Steiken

1010
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: was on board with this decision to had to be

1011
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: on board with this decision to draft him. Also, I

1012
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 4: mean we all said from the start that Chris Battle

1013
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: and Shane steik and were now tied to anthean Richardson

1014
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 4: right his success or his failure. So so in a

1015
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: regard this is also in some level Shane Steiken say well,

1016
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: I messed that one up in twenty twenty three, which

1017
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: I think smart NFL guys has to do. You have

1018
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 4: to admit you made a mistake, and you know, you

1019
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: stick with it for a year, you stigtte for two years,

1020
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 4: and then at some point you have to say this

1021
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: is not going to work. And I'm not saying there

1022
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: there with Richard at all, but at some point it's

1023
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 4: the good money or good money after bad whatever the

1024
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: phrase is, you have to say it's not gonna work

1025
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: and we have to move on because we've got a

1026
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: good roster and our pay.

1027
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: They do have a decent roster, right, I mean, they

1028
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: do have a decent ros I think.

1029
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 4: Is this to me, in my mind, is a playoff

1030
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: roster a playoff level roster if they get a level

1031
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: above competent play at quarterback. Give me what Cardner Minshew

1032
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 4: gave him in whatever it was twenty twenty three was

1033
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 4: a little more than that, a little more than that.

1034
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 4: So uh. But but then you then you're you're wild

1035
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 4: card or you're squeezing in as it's still not a

1036
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: championship roster at all, but you're a heck of a

1037
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 4: lot closer. But when you don't give up. And when

1038
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 4: you don't, say you made a mistake, and you keep

1039
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 4: pushing this another year. Then then Jonathan said, we've had

1040
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 4: to discuss Jonathan Tat's a year older to Forrest Buckner,

1041
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: all these guys, Quintin Nelson, you know, all pro guys,

1042
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: and you're just letting their their prime years go by.

1043
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 4: So that's the problem when you don't know, or when

1044
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 4: you don't know when enough's enough. That's why I say

1045
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 4: I start, I start Richardson and it works her it doesn't.

1046
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: And I know a good portion of the fan base

1047
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: already says it's not going to work. And he can

1048
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: make a heck of a lot stronger argument than I can,

1049
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: because he's eight and seven as a starter, he's missed

1050
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 4: seventeen years of injury, and two of those wins that

1051
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: he's got in his career he didn't finish the game.

1052
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew finished wins against Houston and Tennessee. So the

1053
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 4: deck is stacked against Richardson. But that's why I say,

1054
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: you've got to find out, and the only way to

1055
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: find out is playing, and then it works for it doesn't,

1056
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: and then you've got some finality to it as opposed

1057
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: to starting Jones, and he plays okay, and then he

1058
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: has you know, he is who he sewed in the

1059
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: Giants too many times, and then you replace him for Richardson,

1060
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: and then is really muddied up. And then so I

1061
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: started to start Richardson and see what you got. But

1062
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be shocked if they go with Jones,

1063
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: just because reading into what Shas Sichin said the other day.

1064
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: Chap tell me a player on Saturday that, and I

1065
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: don't mean like you know, oh, Michael Pittman, a player

1066
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: that needed to do so from a roster standpoint, that

1067
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: most helped himself.

1068
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: Was from a roster of steinpoint. I was gonna say,

1069
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 4: Anthony Gold, he showed you some pretty good plays as

1070
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 4: a receiver. The one play from Richardson was just I

1071
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: don't know whether the throw was better, if the catch

1072
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: was better. Boy, I don't know that anybody. Jaylen Travis,

1073
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: the rookie tackle, he's gonna make this roster, but all

1074
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 4: of a sudden, he's your swing tackle with Lake Freeland

1075
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: going down with what appears to be a season ending

1076
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: leg injury. Boy, Chrys Lahman's a corner, I guess. And

1077
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: then I'm reaching had a decent game signing Xavian Howard

1078
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: tells me that they have real concerns about injuries at

1079
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: corner right, not so much Knnymore. Not so much Kennymore,

1080
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: I don't think. But but Jaylen Jones and Juju Brants

1081
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: thinking of signed Xavier Xavian Howard a month ago.

1082
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Do you think and they didn't. Eddie and I have

1083
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: used this term on the show in the last month

1084
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: or so. If you think about the NCAA tournament, when

1085
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: you get situations like this where you got a guy

1086
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: that you go out and you sign because of attrition

1087
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: at a position, does that become a bid stealer?

1088
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: You know?

1089
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: Is that bad news for a Jelanie Woods that's that's

1090
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: hoping to make the roster. But now all of a sudden,

1091
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: you got a roster spot that's taken elsewhere. If they

1092
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: and that's unless they put Brents or Jones and open

1093
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: them up on some sort of an eye, are right.

1094
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think injuries aren't going to factor into

1095
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 4: the into the fifty three. Uh, you can trust trust me,

1096
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: you can find you can find roster spots, you can uh.

1097
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: But they but they could go into the season with

1098
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: two or three guys who may miss a game or two.

1099
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: Uh who was it last year Josh Dams missed the

1100
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: first game or two. But you carry him because it's

1101
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: not going to be a long term thing. So I

1102
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: don't know that it would This would impact the Jeelani

1103
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: Woods because I think you carry four tight ends and

1104
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 4: and you make your decision on that third or fourth guy.

1105
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: It would more impact maybe an extra linebacker or again

1106
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: a corner uh so, but no injuries. Injuries will impact

1107
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: how they build this roster because there's going to be

1108
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 4: two or three guys probably who won't be ready for

1109
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: the season but won't be long term. You could carry,

1110
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: and I say you can carry you Again, let's say

1111
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 4: that I think that Jayalen Jones is going to miss

1112
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 4: four games, so you can put him on IR. But

1113
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: you gotta wait until the Seaton. You gotta wait until

1114
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: he's on the fifty three to do that. So again,

1115
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: when it comes to cutting to fifty three, you're gonna

1116
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 4: have a tough decision. I don't think with a with

1117
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 4: the Jeelanie Woods. And again, Tyler Goodson went out with

1118
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 4: that elbow. I thought he was going to be one

1119
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 4: of the top three running backs and maybe he's still

1120
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: we'll be Maybe that wasn't a serious injury. But these

1121
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: injuries pile up and when they're not season ending or whatever,

1122
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: it impacts what you do with other positions.

1123
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: Ulysses Bentley the fourth is their insurance policy, their shape.

1124
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: You know this, right, you loses, you loses. Is ready

1125
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: for the phone call if they can get him off

1126
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: the pullo fields. Ulysses Bentley the fourth has played well, right,

1127
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: that's my guy. I'm the president. Probably what's that?

1128
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 4: Probably probably a practice squad guy. Uh, you know, Khalil

1129
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 4: Herbert they brought into the veteran guy has been hurt

1130
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 4: so and DJ Giddens is pretty good. We'll see. Sometimes

1131
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 4: you see things in camp and in preseason games that

1132
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: really and we have how many guys have we seen?

1133
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: What was in the receiver dron Carter, I tell you?

1134
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: And who got who was they had? In the name

1135
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 4: of cases, they had that defensive end who led the

1136
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 4: preseason in sacks and they traded him to Dallas. And

1137
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 4: when I remember that, I remember that as soon as

1138
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 4: I hang up, Caesar Rayford was that it Maybe that's yeah,

1139
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: too many names. I try not to learn names. In

1140
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: preseason because they once they're in your head, generally they

1141
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: don't go away. And then I've got forty years of

1142
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 4: names in my head that don't matter. But but it's

1143
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 4: it's there's always people that pop up and go back

1144
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: and see how many times the leading rusher and the

1145
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: leading receiver in preseason don't even make roster because of

1146
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 4: the way. You know, Jonathan Tator's had one carry for

1147
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 4: nine yards. I don't think he plays at Cincinnati. I

1148
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: always treat him like Edrin James. I want to see

1149
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 4: him get hit once, and he really didn't get hit

1150
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: on the play. Get hit once, So your first really

1151
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: significant hits not against the Dolphins in September. But I

1152
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 4: will be surprised if very many frontline players play at Cincinnati.

1153
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: I think the fear of the concern of injuries is

1154
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: just too drastic to put people out there until it matters.

1155
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: Caesar Rayford, by the way, sign is a free agent

1156
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: with the Colts in twenty thirteen. Four months later, he

1157
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: was traded to the Cowboys after a notable preseason, and

1158
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: then was released by the Cowboys eleven months later after

1159
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: being on their practice squad and then played for Now.

1160
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: How about this for a rundown of teams Calgary Stampeders,

1161
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: Montreal Alouette's, Jacksonville Sharks, Minnesota Vikings, Los Angeles Kiss, Saskatchewan

1162
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: rough Riders, and the Tampa Bay Storm.

1163
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: If you're if you're Caesar, don't you have jerseys from

1164
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 4: each one?

1165
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: Especially ageless Kiss of the arenal Gene Simmons.

1166
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 4: Hell, yes you do, but you know, but that's why

1167
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: I say pre sage just you know, I mean, I

1168
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 4: remember the guy who was the left handed quarterback from Kentucky.

1169
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: Uh uh, Jared Lorenzo, the big the big guy.

1170
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the late one.

1171
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Yeah, I know, I know so, but it's that's

1172
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: what's cool about the preseason is it is so many

1173
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 4: guys get a chance to really have their moment, and

1174
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: some of them will never have another moment, and some

1175
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: and some Gary Brackett for crying out loud, undrafted and

1176
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 4: and all that, and he made the most of Jack

1177
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 4: Doyle guys undrafted, uh and when they get the moment,

1178
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: they seized it. A lot many more guys don't. But

1179
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 4: I think there's so many great stories in training camping.

1180
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: Ironically, the guy that didn't Ironically, the guy that didn't seize.

1181
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: Its name is Caesar. He got a ton of jerseys.

1182
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, Eddie. Chap appreciate it. Man, When do you

1183
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: think we'll have an answer at this quarterback thing?

1184
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: Tomorrow? It just needs to be tomorrow. It just for

1185
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 4: Shane just to sit up there, to stand up there

1186
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: tomorrow and and say we're still deciding. I don't know.

1187
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: I just think again, I think he knew Saturday night

1188
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 4: what he was going to do or what he's going

1189
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: to do. I think it just it just serves everybody's

1190
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 4: purpose to just hey, if the Brams can name Joe

1191
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 4: Flacco starting quarterback, these guys can name their guy.

1192
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: Let's take that approach, all right, Chap appreciate it.

1193
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. You guys be well, all right,

1194
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, CBS four and WXY on Fox, w x

1195
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: I N Fox fith you night