1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Lie from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, So. 3 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: I'll ask again for the people in cheap seats, who 4 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: in the world. 5 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: Are we negotiating with? This is the question. 6 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: It's not a rude question, it's not a wrong question, 7 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: and it's certainly not the ignorance of people like joy 8 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Behar on the view who want to make the purely 9 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: ignorance and all together stupid accusation that the US military 10 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: hasn't accomplished anything. 11 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to take away from what our men 12 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: and women have been doing over there, because what they've 13 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: accomplished is incredible. And if we can deter ron at 14 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 4: all three. 15 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: Years over the excite our military. 16 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: That's military. 17 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: I think they do it with they're told what. 18 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: Have they accomplished? Why you think they? 19 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 4: I think anytime we can deter Iran, whether it's for 20 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: another year, whether it's for I think there's a win 21 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: for this. 22 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: Obama had a deal in place. And if you say 23 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: to me, Tony, it's the view, why do you pay attention, 24 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: It's because it's what liberal white women pay attention to, 25 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: which is why they're so terrible, why they're so misinformed, 26 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: why they're so broken as people. And if you think 27 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: that's offensive, dear Lord, keep listening. It only gets worse 28 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: from here. Tony Kats Tony Katz today, guys. 29 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: An absolute pleasure to be with you. 30 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: We've got the White House briefing that will be coming 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: up in the next hour Stephen Yeates. We'll be breaking 32 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: down what's going on in Iran and possible next steps. 33 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: If you ask what the military has accomplished, we have 34 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: accomplished what the JCPOA, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, 35 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: the Obama Deal did not actually stopping them, or at 36 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: least proving that they were working on nuclear weapons. They 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: were working on long range missiles. They fired long range missiles, 38 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: and now they can't. And that's better. That's clearly better. 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: My problem is not the Joy Behart program problem. 40 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,559 Speaker 3: The Joy Behar. 41 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: Problem is that she is such a hateful shrew of 42 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: a huge human being. And if you're upset with the 43 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: word shrew, let me say for the record, I cleaned 44 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: it up for radio. She can't honestly address the situation. 45 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: Her hatred of Trump blinds any possibility, which is why 46 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: her and people like her are unseerious people. It's why 47 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: they cannot be listened to. It's why they should be mocked, ridiculed, 48 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: and ignored. They deserve every bit of laughter in their 49 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: face that they get. Joy Behar is definitively a dumb woman, 50 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: and the view has no interest in proactively sharing a 51 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: story that matters. 52 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: We know this. 53 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: And as for the woman who was cheering on the military, 54 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: cheering on the military. 55 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: Is differently being asked the question what did they do? 56 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: They did what it is that Barack Obama refused to do? 57 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: Barack Obama gave them runway to a nuclear weapon. We 58 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: stopped that. It's better. You know what we haven't done. 59 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: We haven't ended the regime. And when I hear that 60 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: we have a deal with Iran, I don't know what 61 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to do with that information. What possible deal 62 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: do we have with whom? The guy that they're talking 63 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: about is Mohammed Baga. 64 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: Gallabaf g a l I b a F. This was the. 65 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: Spokesperson, I should say, the speaker for the Iranian parliament. 66 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: Now one could argue what kind of power the Iranian 67 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: parliament has, but one can clearly say this is not 68 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: the Iyatola, This is not the supreme leader who decides everything. 69 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: And if you say to me, if will we have 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: a supreme leader, it's the sun, it's Mojmatah. 71 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: Where the hell is that guy? Where the hell is. 72 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: That cardboard cut out of a human being? He's nowhere. 73 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: Right now, we're dealing with Iato autopen and allegedly this dude, 74 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: a guy who served in the is Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, 75 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: was a commander, was the mayor of Tehran. He denies 76 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: there any talks going on whatsoever. As a matter of fact, 77 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: not only are there not any talks going on, President 78 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: Trump is saying that Iran has fired one hundred and 79 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: one missiles at the USS Abraham Lincoln, some of them 80 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: maybe as of today. 81 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: This is an aircraft carrier. 82 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: We also have the Gerald Gerald Ford is making its 83 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: way to crete. If not, they're already because of a 84 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: fire that was on board. It's an aircraft carrier. Things 85 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: do go wrong, You repair, you move on, hopefully repair quickly. 86 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: The Iranians being people who I should say, the Iranian 87 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: regime always talking tough. Never a moment where they're not 88 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: talking tough. Twenty four to seven, tough guy. Oh there's 89 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: no deal, Oh, we're not we're not interested. And then 90 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: you get in the Wall Street Journal with a world 91 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: class headline of how the Iranians are playing hardball as 92 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: mediators push for talks with the US. 93 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: You're gonna have. 94 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: Steve Wikoff and some Iranians allegedly meeting on Thursday. Yes, 95 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: the Iranians like to make this claim of being tough 96 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: and therefore it's hardball. They'd play a lot less hardball 97 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: if they were dead. And this is where our conversation 98 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: has to be. Our conversation has to be what is victory? 99 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: The ignorance of the conversation on the view is what 100 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: has the military done. They are proactive to disparaging the 101 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: military because they're not actually disparaging the military, even though 102 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: they are. What they're doing is disparaging Trump. And when 103 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: you disparage Trump, anything that gets in the wake of 104 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: disparaging Trump is deemed acceptable. 105 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: This is who they are gold in my ear. 106 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: The former Prime Minister of Israel stated that we will 107 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: have peace with the Palestinians when they love their children 108 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: more than they hate us. This is when the political 109 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: right will have peace with the political left, when they 110 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: love their country more than they hate Trump. 111 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: And they do not at this moment. 112 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: They hate Trump on the political left more than they 113 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: love their country. 114 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: This is not a debate that we're having. 115 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: They stated everywhere all the time, constantly and consistently. They're 116 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: not even shy about it. Ugly, ugly people. But we 117 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: do have to ask ourselves, how is it. 118 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: That we. 119 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: Where is the moment where we say, you know what, 120 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: this was actually worthwhile? By the way, I can feel 121 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: some of you judging me and asking the question of 122 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: what would make you say that the political left they 123 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: hate Trump more than they love their country. Okay, let's 124 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: let Senator Chris Van Holland, Democratic Maryland answer the question. 125 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: Henry, let me just put that to you. Who do 126 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: you think is telling you the truth? Casey? 127 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, we've learned that Donald Trump has been lying to 128 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 6: the American people from the start, and he keeps lying 129 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 6: to the American people, which is never a good thing. 130 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: Officials over the President of the United States. 131 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 6: I believe that based on all the information that's available 132 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 6: and Donald Trump's track record of line, including the big 133 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 6: lie which he told the American people during the campaign 134 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 6: that he was going to keep us out of war 135 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 6: in the Middle East, he broke that promise. He lied 136 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 6: about Iran being an imminent threat the United States and 137 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 6: Israel launched this strike. He lied about Iran being on 138 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 6: the precipice of getting a nuclear weapon. We know that 139 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 6: because Tulsa Gabbard just testified just the opposite recently. And yes, 140 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 6: we know he's lying when he says that the Iranians 141 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 6: are talking with us and they're about to give Donald 142 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 6: Trump everything he wants. 143 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: Now, that is full on trying to demoralize the American troops, 144 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: to moralize the American people, and giving aid and comfort 145 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: to the enemy. Anything the President is discussing about conversations 146 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: with the Iranians should be taken with a massive grain 147 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: of salts, because it could all be deception. We are 148 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: in a fight. The problem here is not that Chris 149 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: van Holland is stupid. The problem here is that Chris 150 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: van Holland hates you more than he loves you. He 151 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: hates Trump more than he loves the country. Is there 152 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: any question now regarding enriched uranium at sixty percent and 153 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: US going in and getting it, which is gonna involve 154 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: boots on the ground, which is gonna be a whole 155 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 2: noother conversation. Is there any question that the Iranians do 156 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: have this capacity that could reach twenty five hundred miles 157 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: as they tried to hit the base at Diego Garcia 158 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: and could hit the whole of Europe? Is there any 159 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: question that the JCPOA was an unmitigated failure from a 160 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: fool named Barack Hussein Obama, From the fools who are 161 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: the Obama Bros, the Tommy Veters and the Ben Rhodes 162 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: who were always. 163 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: Wrong on this subject. 164 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: Is there any question that Iran is the largest state 165 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: sponsor of terror, that they were engaged in supporting the 166 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: Houthi rebels in Yemen attacking US and other ships traveling 167 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: the Red Sea. 168 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: Is there any question. 169 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: That the Iranian regime was supporting terrorism in southern Lebanon 170 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: and Hasblah with Hamas where Americans were killed on October seventh, 171 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: taken hostage and killed. 172 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: There's no question, There's no. 173 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: Doubt, not from the honest, but from the hateful, from 174 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: the file, from the vicious, from those unwilling to stop 175 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: with their hate of President Trump for thirty seconds and 176 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: recognize their country means more. They don't believe that, they 177 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: don't believe that these people are unworthy of your vote, 178 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: or your love or your time. 179 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: No harm should befall them. 180 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: They just can't be allowed power because Chris van Holland, 181 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: mister Margarita himself is a weak, weak man, And if 182 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: you want to know who he lies to, he lies 183 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: to himself because he knows that anything Trump is saying 184 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: about possible deals could actually be true, could actually be 185 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: on misdirection, could be something said here while he's setting 186 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: up something over there. Yes, that is absolutely possible. I 187 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: concede that that is possible. But this is warfare, which 188 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: is the key differentiator, isn't it Trump keeping us out 189 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: of wars? 190 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: Well? I was never somebody who voted for Trump on 191 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: that measure. 192 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: I live in the real world, where everything is possible, 193 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: and things change on a dime, and sometimes. 194 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: You have to deal with them. 195 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: I never ascribed to the very very childlike policy of 196 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: no more forever wars. 197 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: I don't even know what the hell that means. 198 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: No more forever wars should mean you go in, you 199 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: kill everybody in a week, and you go home. You 200 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: have lunch, I would suggest PASTRAMI I mean, after a 201 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: long week, what would feel better? 202 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 3: Huh? You think I'm callous. You think I'm cold. 203 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: No, I am discussing a strategy and a philosophy that 204 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in wars. I'm interested in ending any 205 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: threat to the United States with ferocity. 206 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: I'm very clear on this subject. And for the people, 207 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: I oh, sure, you're totally fine. 208 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: Going to war with other people's kids. It's always other 209 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: people's kids. And this is why people who say that 210 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: can't be in charge, because we need adults in the 211 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: room and they are still children, emotionally crippled, wrecked people. Yes, 212 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: I'm fully aware I'm sending somebody else's child into war, 213 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 2: thank you very much. That's how it works. So we 214 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: shouldn't go for light and transient causes, and we shouldn't 215 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: go half asked. We should go full, we should go overwhelming, 216 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: we should go heavy, and no one remains alive from 217 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: their side. 218 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: That's my take, that's my philosophy. I think it's a winner. 219 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: So now we get back to where we started this 220 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: thing with the fool Joy Behar, who's a dumb woman. 221 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: Quote me, it's fine. What does it matter what she says? 222 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Our question is not what is the military done? Our 223 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: question should be did we achieve the objective. Did we 224 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: achieve the objective? And I say to you that if 225 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: any part of the regime remains, then no, we didn't. 226 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: You cannot allow the regime to remain. You can allow 227 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: no part of the regime to remain. Anybody connects to 228 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: the IOTOL the must be destroyed. Anybody connected to the 229 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: IRGC must be destroyed. The IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard 230 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: Court must be broken in. 231 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Two so these people can have their lives back. 232 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: Terrorism is not funded, and we can stop thinking about 233 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: the fucking Middle East. 234 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: That's an objective that was mine. 235 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: I accept that Trump's may be different, and I accept 236 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: that I may have to say to him, man, you 237 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: got that wrong. But I don't know if that's today. 238 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the way it's gonna be. 239 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if what's being telegraphed is actually true. 240 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: I saw a bad two bombers head to the west 241 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: while we went east and took out Isfahan, Natans and 242 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: four DAU. I don't know right now what's ahead fake 243 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: and what isn't. How this will end, I don't know. 244 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: I do know that the world without the terrorist regime 245 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: of Iran is a better world. I do know that's 246 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: not Israel trying to keep America in this. It's Saudi 247 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: Arabia that begged Donald Trump to keep it up. Well, 248 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: of course, the Saudis want to get rid of the 249 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: Iranian threat and engage hegemonic power in the region. 250 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: Everyone's got their reasons. 251 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: Ours is to end the terrorist threat, end any possibility 252 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: of a nuclear threat, and then think about something else 253 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: that involves removing the regime. That's what I want Trump 254 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: to do. If he doesn't, well, then I don't know 255 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: what the object If the objective he had solves anything. 256 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. White House 257 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: briefing is scheduled for today. I'm going to bet money 258 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: that that is going to have. 259 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: A little bit of fireworks to it. 260 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: You've got the war and Department of Homeland Security is 261 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: still not funded. 262 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: The Democrats won't do it. 263 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, first of all, Tony Katz, 264 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, how you doing? 265 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: How's your mother? 266 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that I. 267 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 3: I may have misread a tea leaf. 268 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: I expected when the Democrats started saying, well, we'll fund TSA, 269 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: but we're not going to fund Dice, and we'll get 270 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: these lines moving in. 271 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: Why won't you find TSA and why won't you do this? 272 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: Do that? 273 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: I thought that Republicans were absolutely going to get walloped 274 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: on that. I thought they were going to get crashed 275 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: on that. 276 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: Well it's been about a week and a half. Nope. 277 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you. 278 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: I I could prognosticate, and I can take a look 279 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: at everything, and I could utilize my sources. I can 280 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: come up with Okay, here's where I think things are going. 281 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: But I made mistakes before. I'm trying to figure out 282 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: why this didn't happen. 283 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: How here you have Democrats refusing to fund the Department 284 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: of Homelands Curity and they're not even They're not remotely 285 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: shy about it. They're not funding DHS. They don't care, 286 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: and they keep moving the goalposts when it comes to 287 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: what they want regarding Ice in edity, Ice can't do this, 288 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: and ICE can't do that, and ICE can't do the other, 289 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: and ICE can't do your mother, and. 290 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: I well that was just rude. 291 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: No Ice bad. They really want Ice gone. They want 292 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: people who are legally in the country to stay in 293 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: the country. 294 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: They want them to be voters this is a power play. 295 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: It's it's clear, and it's obvious. 296 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: It's obvious to us, and so now I'm forced to. 297 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: Ask is it obvious to others? 298 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: Am I getting my hopes something? And that's why I've 299 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: put myself. I put myself in like I get a 300 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: little teary on. I've put myself in the place of 301 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: there's no way that's possible that the American people saw 302 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 2: this move from the Democrats, like, oh, those people are 303 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: full of craft. 304 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: There's no way that happened. 305 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: Because if it did, if it did, oh my gosh, 306 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: what else is possible? And so I brought this up 307 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: briefly yesterday and I wasn't sure if I was going 308 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: to get into it. You know, everybody talking about the 309 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: fact that Republicans are gonna get slaughtered in the midterms. Now, 310 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: you know, I have a path to midterm victory, and 311 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: right now Republicans are not taking it the way I 312 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: want them to take it. But this idea they're gonna 313 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: get slaughtered, everything's possible and I can read it tee 314 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: lely Frong, but I don't know. 315 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: If that's the case. 316 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: Let's discuss this thirty days from that. I'm Tony kats 317 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: So what does it mean to be at war? What 318 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: does warfare actually look like? And let's discuss the art 319 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: of deception when it comes to warfare. I mean, it's 320 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: a huge part of things. I get that we may 321 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: not like it. I get that the American press can't 322 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: stand it. But if you did what the American press 323 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: said to do, you would lose everything, all the time, everywhere. 324 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 325 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: Steve Yates joins me right now. He is the Senior 326 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: Research Fellow on China Natural Security Policy and is at 327 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: the Young Fellow Asian Study Center with the Heritage Foundation, 328 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: and sir, good to be with you. 329 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: We were talking a little bit before we. 330 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: Joined the radio show about what it is that we're 331 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: seeing from President Trump when there is this conversation about 332 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: how he is speaking to the Iranians and how the 333 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: Iranians offered him a gift on it was about oil 334 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: and natural gas. 335 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: I don't know what the gift is. 336 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: You take a look at the Wall Street Journal and 337 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: they've got the headline a wannabe strong man rises in 338 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: Iran as Trump seeks a deal maker. 339 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: And this is Mohammed Bager Galibaf. 340 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: Who is the spokesperson or the speaker, I should say, 341 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: of the Iranian in a parliament. Now, I think the 342 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 2: first question is who made this guy as somebody who 343 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: could speak. 344 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 3: For the Iranian people? 345 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: And then the follow up is, how can the president 346 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: make a claim that he's talking to a Ran about 347 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: a deal and ending nuclear weapons this and ending the 348 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: war that when you've also bragged that you've killed the 349 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: entire leadership. 350 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 7: Well, Tony, I think what makes it difficult for us 351 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 7: is that a lot of these things are true at 352 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 7: the same time. 353 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 5: Number One, we don't really get to. 354 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 7: Know who the president is talking to yet, because to 355 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 7: publicly identify that person is to put the world's biggest 356 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 7: bullseye on them by islam As terrorists and the remnants 357 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 7: of the regime that are not yet cowed by getting 358 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 7: mowed over by major military operations. And the President talks 359 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 7: about this gift, I too sort of smile and wonder 360 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 7: what this possible gift is. But what it sounds to 361 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 7: me like in tradecraft is that you have someone you're 362 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 7: talking to, but you need to know are they the 363 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 7: real deal? And if they do something for you that 364 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 7: you can verify is done and is a value. It's 365 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 7: sort of like an earnest deposit on credibility. Then you say, well, 366 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 7: if they can move those resources, they could open up this. 367 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: Ceilane or whatever it was the test that was given. 368 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 7: Then you know you're dealing with a credible counterpart who 369 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 7: has some measure of influence. And it seems like the 370 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 7: President is feeling his way across the stream, stepping rock 371 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 7: by rock in doing that, and so people might not 372 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 7: like it. People might want instant answers. I deeply, deeply 373 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 7: doubt the instant information is durable and useful information, and 374 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 7: I think that's necessary under the current circumstances. 375 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: Now, this idea that all warfarees deception, right, that's unsu 376 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: of the art of war. This infuriates the American people 377 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 2: because what we want is information. What we want is answers. 378 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: I can go to my phone, I can turn on 379 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: any part of the Internet anywhere if you will, and 380 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: I can get instant information, but I don't have information here. 381 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: And how the political left and how the media looks 382 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: at this and shares this is we're being lied to. 383 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: We had cenator Chris van Holland we're being lied to 384 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: about this, lied to about the other, live to about 385 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: he's talking to you, lied to about the thing which 386 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: I considering it's giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 387 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: How standard is this throughout our history regarding what the 388 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: American people are told and what is well? 389 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 7: I mean, if you go deeper and just talk about 390 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 7: Western civilization, it goes back thousands of years. And if 391 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 7: we were talking with Victor Davis Hanson number one, it 392 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 7: would be a very long conversation, but it would also 393 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 7: be very well researched on what was going on in 394 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 7: those ancient cultures with exactly tradecraft, in use of power 395 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 7: and in warfare and political warfare, deception, manipulation, all these 396 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 7: things are very very important parts of comprehensive warfare. 397 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 5: And it's the way our enemies operate. 398 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 7: It's the way that Chinese Communist Party operates, It's the 399 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 7: way the Islamist regimes operate. 400 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 5: They use all of these tools. I want to stop 401 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 5: you that from terms if you're gambling. 402 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: I want to stop you there for a second because 403 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: you said something that I don't think people comprehend, and 404 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: I want a little more understanding of they operate this way. 405 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: You brought up the communist Chinese Party and brought up 406 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 2: into the Islamist How do they operate? And when you 407 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: say they operate this way, who are you comparing them 408 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: to the United States or other forces that we have 409 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: fought before? 410 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 7: Right, Well, I would say when you're talking about the 411 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 7: Chinese Communist Party and say the Islamist regime that's in Iran. 412 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 7: The Islamists that we have faced before and after nine 413 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 7: to eleven, they don't really fuss about about is what 414 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 7: they're broadcasting true. They only look at is it useful? 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 7: Is it moving or manipulating a target? Is it dividing 416 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 7: an enemy? And if I can divide and distract my enemy, 417 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 7: then I have a net advantage without having. 418 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: Had the fought fire a shot. 419 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 7: So they use comprehensive tools, whether it's economic influence and coercion, 420 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 7: information influence and coercion, and then also have the use 421 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 7: of force, whether it is to it's civilian in addition 422 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 7: to military targets. We, however, try to be better and 423 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 7: I admire that impulse and it's a good impulse. 424 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 5: It's part of our checks and balances. But especially since the. 425 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 7: Vietnam era, we have tried to conduct warfare and ways 426 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 7: that are constraining so that we will limit the kind 427 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 7: of public statements that our leaders put out because we 428 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 7: don't want them deceiving us, and we shouldn't want them 429 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 7: to deceive us. But the problem is when you live 430 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 7: in globalize and instant information, you don't speak to only 431 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 7: one audience. So consider this like playing poker and I 432 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 7: get to hold my cards close to the chest, but 433 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 7: yours have to be faced up on the table because 434 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 7: you've chosen to live in a free and open society. 435 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 7: Free and open society is good, but it's also very 436 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 7: very vulnerable to manipulation and attack, and at a time 437 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 7: of crisis, you at least have to be aware of 438 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 7: that and try to figure are their options that can 439 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 7: make us less vulnerable, and are there ways to make 440 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 7: them less cloaked and have to. 441 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 5: Show some of their cards. 442 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 7: And that's where some of the tools we're using in 443 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 7: this campaign come back into that category of making a headfake, 444 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 7: maybe giving out different information to try to draw them 445 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 7: off guard, and having them in negotiations. At the same time, 446 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 7: we don't believe them and we might just as well 447 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 7: hit them. 448 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: Talking to Steve Yates, Senior Research trail for China and 449 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: National Security policy at the Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org. 450 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: So we can't be sure that anybody's being spoken to. 451 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 2: We had all the conversation about President Trump, if you 452 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: don't come to the table in two days, we're going 453 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: to hit all the power plants, and then saying all right, 454 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: we'll give it a five day reprieve. 455 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: But he had never hit a power plant, So who 456 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 3: knows how what that was. 457 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: But I hear the political left telling me that this 458 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: would be a war crime. It is this constant going 459 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: at President Trump. Is this a Trump phenomenon or is 460 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: there always been a bit of oh, the administration's lying 461 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: to you. 462 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm asking you more of a political question. 463 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: I am maybe a historical question here, But this seems, 464 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: even in a world of the left hating Donald Trump, 465 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: very new and very much to me, and. 466 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: Aid and comfort to the enemy, conversation. 467 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 5: Well, it is all of those things. 468 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 7: And I remember twenty plus years ago being in the 469 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 7: White House and being subjected to all all of these 470 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 7: kinds of things back in that day, At that time, 471 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 7: George W. Bush wasn't seen as a warm and cuddly 472 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 7: man of August stature. And kind of compassionate conservatism. 473 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 5: That was the brand. He was called Hitler. 474 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 7: All kinds of accusations of war crimes were thrown at 475 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 7: him and everyone who worked for him. In national security. 476 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 7: It's on steroids with Trump, for sure. And the oddity 477 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 7: of it is that Donald Trump is doing things that 478 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 7: should actually be in alignment with what a lot of 479 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 7: these forces would want. He is trying to avoid destruction 480 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 7: of the civilian infrastructure, trying to avoid civilian casualties. And 481 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 7: if you get the scope of these major military operations, 482 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 7: number one, they're amazing in terms of their lethality and 483 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 7: effectiveness militarily, but also they're pretty amazing in avoiding mass 484 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 7: civilian casualties while hitting a wide geography that's actually pretty cautious. 485 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 7: And then his willingness to pull back and talk with 486 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 7: people that other people would refuse to talk to that 487 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 7: opens up a chance for de escalation that others would 488 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 7: have rejected. So in a lot of ways, he's much 489 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 7: more careful and pragmatic than any of his critics would 490 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: ever give him credit for. 491 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: When we talk about the pulling back, and this is 492 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: where I become concerned that it's possible that I have 493 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: a different objective than the president. My objective is to 494 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: end the regime so there is no more terrorist threat 495 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: of any kind that includes nuclear threat. It's an all 496 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 2: encompassing conversation. But no more funding of Hesbel and Juma's, 497 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: no more funding of the Huti Rebels, no more or 498 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: funding of cells that could be right here in the 499 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: United States and other places. It's overdone and complete. And yes, 500 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: you allow the Iranian people, these Persians to go about 501 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: living their lives and creating their life. 502 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: For President Trump, he sees the world differently. Right. 503 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: It is for me what I coined years ago is 504 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: these are the two rules of trump Ism. 505 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: The first rule of trump Ism is Trump wins. 506 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: And the second rule of trump Ism is that a 507 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: deal can always be made as long as it adheres 508 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: to the first rule of trump Ism, which gives me pause. 509 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: It gives me real concern. As you see it, your conversations, 510 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: your insight, what do you think the president's real goal is? 511 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 7: Well, first, I would say that I agreed completely with 512 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 7: the Tony Katz theory of the universe as you've just 513 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 7: described it, and the theory of how the president operates. Of course, 514 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 7: he's more complex than that. When we use these simplistic 515 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 7: distillations to try to understand and make points, and those 516 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 7: are valid, and there's more to what he's doing than 517 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 7: just those things. But broadly speaking, what you described is 518 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 7: exactly why people get concerned, nervous, why they wonder whether. 519 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 5: They're getting complete information. 520 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 7: Some people pathologically unwilling to accept the information they're given. 521 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 7: But we have to have to try to step back, 522 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 7: and that's the hardest thing in the world to do, 523 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 7: because we are addicted to instant information and belief that 524 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 7: we have instant knowledge and reality. When these are evolving situations, 525 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 7: and President Trump likes to operate in shifting sands sands 526 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 7: he might have made shift. 527 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 5: That's where he finds his deals, that's where he finds 528 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 5: his leverage. 529 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 7: But ultimately he is changing the tectonic plates the world 530 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 7: is moving around on. And so when I get concerned 531 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 7: about it, at least I just remind myself, broadly speaking, 532 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 7: the Middle East has never been in a better position 533 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 7: to have a more stable next decade or two than 534 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 7: since the Abraham Accords and whatever comes out of this. 535 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and to agree that the Abraham Accords is the 536 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: start of everything, it can all be brought back to 537 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: that Steve Yates from the Heritage Foundation before I Let 538 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: you Go. Is there a consideration from Trump? The War 539 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: Powers Act, the price of oil? Do these things move 540 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: him to wanting to wrap things up more than the 541 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: idea of the regimes. 542 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 7: And I don't think President Trump needed any motivation to 543 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 7: try to want to want to wrap things up. 544 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 5: It has been his impulse, his. 545 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 7: DNA for four plus decades, and he's been on television 546 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 7: talking about it forever. 547 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 5: And so the idea that he would ever put himself 548 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 5: at risk of. 549 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 7: Being in a forever war, as we like to call them, 550 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 7: is basically zero. And so we're in a period where 551 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 7: we've been going for a month. We don't see clearly 552 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 7: exactly how this land. But I don't think it's the 553 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 7: War Powers Act, and I don't which gives sixty to 554 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 7: ninety days slack, so we're still well within that. And 555 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 7: I don't think it's sort of the concern of the markets, 556 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 7: although he's really sensitive to markets. And so that's why 557 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 7: I believe some kind of a deal and a de 558 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 7: escalation is coming in the next week or two, or 559 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 7: a major major hit is coming in the next week 560 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 7: or two, and no matter what happens when we deescalate 561 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 7: Israel and our Arab allies and perhaps others, they're going 562 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 7: to be mowing the lawn in this region while we're 563 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 7: there to come in as needed going forward. But I 564 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 7: don't expect America to be the everyday maintenance crew for 565 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 7: this region. 566 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: I've never heard the term in warfare mowing the lawn. 567 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: That's going to get used. 568 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: Right there, Steve Yates follow my Twitter X Steve Yates 569 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: y A t E. S from the Heritage Foundation. I 570 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: appreciate you being here, Sir, Morre is coming up. I'm 571 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. So as you know, ICE, Immigration Customs Enforcement, 572 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: they showed up at the airports, they got the crowds moving. 573 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: You went from have lines. 574 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: Of four hours, five hours plus two lines that disappeared, 575 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, good to be with you. 576 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: And at CNN it was like, well maybe it was 577 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: just a slower travel day. That's that's insane. But it's 578 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: so CNN and people are angry about it. The left 579 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: is outraged that we would use ICE in this way. Meanwhile, 580 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: people are talking ICE saying thank you, and what is 581 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: ICE doing? ICE officers are handing out bottles of water. 582 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: Huh. 583 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: I know a guy he's on the radio. From what 584 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm told, incredibly handsome guy. He is the kind of 585 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: guy that you look at and you're like, I want 586 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: to carry that guy's babies. 587 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: And that's the men. And he said on radio, you 588 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: know what Republicans should do. 589 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 2: Republicans they should they should grab bottles of water and 590 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: food and go to airports in their states where there 591 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: are the little lines are two hours, three hours, four 592 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: hours long, and they should hand out the water and 593 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: hand out the sandwiches and say, hey, sorry, Democrats are 594 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: doing this to you. We've been voting to fund DHS. 595 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: They won't do it. It's just so ridiculous and now you 596 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: have to suffer. And I'm so sorry for that, but 597 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: I just want to make a little bit easier. We're 598 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: trying our best. Please, please please call your center, call 599 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: Democrats to tell them to stop this madness. 600 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 3: They didn't do it. 601 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 2: Ridiculous. If you ask me, ice is handing out bottles 602 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: of water. And the question asked, well, where'd they get 603 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: the water? I don't know, the store. This is the 604 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: waste of money. We got billions of dollars being spent 605 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: on Medicaid fraud, but it was a couple of bottles 606 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 2: of water from Costco that broke the camel's back. Gotcha, 607 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: Republicans missed a moment. They should have been doing this. 608 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: They should have been talking to people. They should have 609 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 2: been hands on to show America how hands off the 610 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: reality and the dangers and the problems. 611 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: That they're creating for America. Democrats are. This is what 612 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: we said. Somebody listened, just not the right group. I'm 613 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 3: Tony Katz,