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Speaker 1: Okay, big day.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday the Boone County Prosecutor came out and announced charges

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Speaker 2: against the individual in Whitestown who was involved in the

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Speaker 2: shooting with the cleaning lady try to enter the wrong house.

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Speaker 2: This is making national news. As you had said, Casey

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Speaker 2: right before we went to the break Byole, it's Kenel

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Speaker 2: Casey and Rob, that's Casey. This seems like this story

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Speaker 2: has a very big feel to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And in the middle of all this now, as our

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Speaker 2: own Guy Ralford, he is serving as the attorney for

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Speaker 2: the gentleman who's facing charges. So let's kind of break

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Speaker 2: it all down. What happened yesterday. Ryan Hendrick, newsman extraordinary

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Speaker 2: from the WBC newsroom, joins us. Now, Ryan, Hello, what's up.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Rob, Good morning, Casey.

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Speaker 2: So tell us exactly what this individual was charged with,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: So, voluntary manslaughters the loan charge that Kurt Anderson is

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Speaker 1: facing this morning. And on November fifth, he fired a

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Speaker 1: single shot and according to the probable cause, after David

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Speaker 1: he fired that shot from the top of the steps

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Speaker 1: down to the door, through the door, through the head

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Speaker 1: of Maria Florinda Rios Perez de Vasquez.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, and Guy Ralford was on the Hammer Nigea yesterday.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get into any specifics with the case. Was

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Speaker 2: interesting interview. Go back and listen to it at wait

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Speaker 2: till noon. We don't care what you do during Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: But and he didn't get any specifics. But really it

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Speaker 2: sounds like this is gonna hinge on the defense. You know,

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Speaker 2: he you know, let a little bit out the mixture

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Speaker 2: of this castle doctrine and stand your ground law. Do

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Speaker 2: you know did you get any feel from the prosecutor

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Speaker 2: why he didn't think those would apply in this case?

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Speaker 1: Well, he said that one of the interesting things he said.

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Speaker 1: And then you really have to read the probable cause

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Speaker 1: outter David, which is about twenty five pages long. I'm

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Speaker 1: about halfway through. But one of the things that stuck

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Speaker 1: anything to the effect like you're near my door, get away,

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Speaker 1: get out of here. He just fired the shot. So

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Speaker 1: he wakes up at six point fifty, Him and his

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Speaker 1: wife are upstairs. He wakes up to noises at the

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Speaker 1: retrieved his handgun from his safe room, which was like

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Speaker 1: a music room and then he fired this one shot.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't say anything. He didn't say, like, who's

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Speaker 1: at my door? What do you want? Who's that? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think is part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why the Stanyel ground law, part of the castle doctrine

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Speaker 1: may not apply here. But I'm not an attorney. I'm

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Speaker 1: not qualified to make this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's what it comes down here, because

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Speaker 2: I've obviously talked with many people about this. As Casey said,

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Speaker 2: this thing thing is making national news if you're a juror,

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Speaker 2: and look, the letter of the law is gonna be

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Speaker 2: the letter of the law, right, But if you're a juror,

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Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, what steps did the

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Speaker 2: individual take to try to mitigate the circumstance, Like was

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Speaker 2: he on the like Logically you would say, and you

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Speaker 2: real time. I sure it's going to be a part

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Speaker 2: of the defense. But logically you would say, were you

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Speaker 2: immediate thought be once you've achieved your weapon or whatever,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you be saying to yourself, Hey, somebody's trying to

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Speaker 2: Like none of that appeared to be happening in this case.

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Speaker 1: Also the guy Mauricio, the Maria's husband, according to witnesses

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Speaker 1: in the affidavit, they did not try to force entry.

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Speaker 1: They were taken to what they thought was a model

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Speaker 1: bit of a language barrier, the ability to read and

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Speaker 1: you know, if there were any signs, But wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: according to witnesses, they told the Whitestown Police Department that

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Speaker 1: Mauricio's GPS is what led them to this home. So

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Speaker 2: Dress Yep Ryan Header from the WBC newsroom as our guests.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about these The charges of voluntary manslaughter is

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Speaker 2: the charge yesterday leveled in this Whitestown shooting. It's a horrible,

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Speaker 2: horrible event which these cleaning people who went to the

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Speaker 2: as they were trying to enter the wrong home.

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Speaker 3: How has the victims family responded to the chargers.

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Speaker 1: They just want justice. They say that you know, there's

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Speaker 1: no way the shooting should have happened. Through a translator,

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Speaker 1: they're speaking with the attorney. They had a press conference

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Speaker 1: at about five o'clock and the attorney said, look, this

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Speaker 1: comes down to right and wrong. I think he reiterates

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Speaker 1: the guy accused in the shooting, would have made an

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Speaker 1: that was occupied by two people, not a model home.

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Speaker 2: Now, Guy Ralford is arguably the best, not only two

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Speaker 2: a attorney in the state, he's one of the best

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Speaker 2: literally helped right these laws. He seems very reasonable too

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Speaker 2: in his approach, like you know, the red flag laws.

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Speaker 2: He's played a big role in you get any any

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Speaker 2: inkling yesterday from the interview with Hammer Nigel because he said,

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Speaker 2: after the interview with Hammer Nigel said, I'm done talking

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Speaker 2: about it like it's all gonna play out in court.

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Speaker 2: What the case is actually gonna be? Like what he's

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Speaker 2: because they were not in the home and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: the homeman he's banging on the door, maybe you see

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Speaker 2: that as hey, I got to act quick. Get any

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Speaker 1: Yes, So again in reading the probab will cause after David,

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Speaker 1: Like the statement kind of says it all to the police.

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Speaker 1: And here's what Kurt Anderson told the police. He said

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Speaker 3: What happens next procedurally.

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Speaker 1: So Friday they have the initial hearing, and at the

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a fascinating case because there

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Speaker 2: appears to be this sort of gray area. Clearly, if

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Speaker 2: blanche to defend yourself. But this porch area, right Kurdlage,

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Speaker 2: I think is the is the technical you know language

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Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be fascining to

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Speaker 2: and then how the prosecution responds to that.

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Speaker 1: You have real quick two bits of evidence that I

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Speaker 1: And this is judging reading the probable cause aufter David

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about the call after the shooting.

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Speaker 1: It happened, yeah, I'm sorry, the call after the shooting. Also,

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Speaker 1: don't think anything's nefarious in terms of anybody lying here.

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Speaker 1: I just it's really going to come down to intent, right,

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Speaker 2: So one thing that I think we need to clarify

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Speaker 2: like people are are you know, entering my home and

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Speaker 2: words he's breaking my home. None of that was taking place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got nervous and heard a commotion outside. He

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Speaker 2: Okay, real quick, and I want and then we'll let

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Speaker 2: you go. Ryan Hendrick done a phenomenal job kind of

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Speaker 2: voluntary manslaughter seems like a strong charge for a guy

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Speaker 2: It just seems like a very and maybe the goals

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Speaker 2: but that just seemed like a very strong charge for

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Speaker 2: the right or the wrong, didn't ask for this to

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 1: I you know, it's a level two felony, and the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor refused to answer how much time he could get.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the intent is to charge up so we could

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm wondering are there any lawmakers or advocacy groups

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I'm not aware of any.

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Speaker 1: I do know there was a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: this prosecutor leading up to these charges. For a week,

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Speaker 1: they stood outside of his office screaming and hollering for

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Speaker 1: justice to be done in their eyes. And then the

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Speaker 1: attorney for this family held a press conference last week

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Speaker 1: and then Kent Eastwood said, I've got some sort of

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Speaker 1: family emergency. On Friday, when we expected things to happen,

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Speaker 1: this shook out Monday, culminating in the voluntary manslaughter charge.

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Speaker 3: How are the residents of Whitestown responding to this coverage.

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Speaker 1: They're shaken. It does not happen. My church is in Whitestown.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about this at my church on Sunday. This

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Speaker 1: does not happen. The original call came in as a

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Speaker 1: home invasion and people have emailed the WIBC newsroom to

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Speaker 1: have us retract that, but we can't because that's the

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Speaker 1: said it was a home invasion call in progress. That's

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Speaker 1: how they responded. That's why they got so much law

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Speaker 1: enforcement to that address in such a quick amount of

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Speaker 1: time on November fifth.

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Speaker 3: Is there any part of this that is still under investigation.

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Speaker 1: No, I just think they have the crime scene of technicians,

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Speaker 1: They have all the evidence they need. I think the

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Speaker 1: only thing under investigation is the motive. Why did this

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Speaker 1: guy fire a single shot through the door without saying

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Speaker 1: I think my home's in trouble, who's out there? Whatever

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Speaker 1: effort that you need to make to tell somebody to

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Speaker 1: get the heck away from your front door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they're going to try to paint

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Speaker 2: him as a sympathetic character because it's easy for us

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Speaker 2: to sit here and go, well, why didn't he do this?

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Speaker 2: Why didn't he do that? You have no idea how

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Speaker 2: you'd respond if that's happening until you're in that that moment.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's going to be Guy Ralford's job.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Hendrick one of the best in the business. WIBC Newsroom,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks bud yep It's Kendall lin Casey.

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Speaker 3: On ninety three WIBC