1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: The question before us is what constitutes success. And in 4 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the case of Trump's meeting yesterday with Vladimir Zelensky with 5 00:00:53,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: European leaders, well you would argue that the deal with success, 6 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: but that's to somehow dismiss the very concept of what 7 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: it takes to get there. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, 8 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: Good to be with You. Find everything over at Tony 9 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 2: Katz dot com. President Trumps speaking about it this morning 10 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: on Fox and Friends. 11 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: President Putin said no NATO, and you said, you know what, 12 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: We're just going to take that off the table. But 13 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: you did get President Putin to agree to NATO like protections. 14 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 4: So tell us about what does that entail. 15 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 5: Well, the war really started over NATO and Crimea, and 16 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: they wanted Crimea back. That was given not a shot 17 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 5: fired by President Obama. And perhaps the worst real estate 18 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: deal I've ever seen. There's been a couple of them, 19 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 5: I would say the guys in the Strip was a 20 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 5: pretty bad one too, given by Israel so they'd have peace. 21 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 5: So they gave away a big percentage of their roch 22 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 5: Shured Front property in order to that piece that workout 23 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 5: not so good. And Crimea is the apple of Ukraine. 24 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 5: I mean, it's so beautiful, and Obama gave it away. 25 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 5: Nobody ever mentions that if I ever did that, the 26 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 5: fake news would be they would be writing about me 27 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 5: day and night for years. He gave it away, He 28 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 5: demanded that they let it go, and Russia came in 29 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 5: and took it, just took it like from a candy 30 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 5: from a baby. It was really Obama's really, I mean, 31 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 5: that was pure and simple Obama's fault. What a terrible 32 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 5: thing he did to that country. And so they lost 33 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 5: their heart, They lost the heart and soul of the 34 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 5: Ukraine fourteen years ago, whatever it might be. And they 35 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 5: were so unnecessary to do that. And that's when it 36 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 5: really began, when Obama gave it away. And then. 37 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: I would argue, it's not that he gave it away, 38 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: it's that Russia took it. And Obama said, huh, I mean, 39 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: that's that's what happened. Didn't even he didn't say way, 40 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: hey you guys, or whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, what. 41 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: Are you doing here? Nope, Nope, he just. 42 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: Went about pushing whatever nonsense he was pushing at the time. 43 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: I don't even recall. It was all a bad dream. 44 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm hoping we undo every part of it. 45 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: The possible. By the way, he was President Trump's totally 46 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: right about. 47 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: Israel in two thousand and five, giving Gaza to the Palestinians, 48 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: ripping Jews out of their homes. 49 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: They were screaming, they were crying, they were begging. Don't 50 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: do this happened. 51 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: You cannot give land to people who want to destroy yous. 52 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: Palestinians then voted forms and the rest, as they say. 53 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: Is evil, bloody history. 54 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: Regardless of how things started with the Russians and Ukraine, 55 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: we're here now and what we have now is the 56 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: Russians having seventy percent plus in areas of Donetsk, in Lahansk, 57 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: in Zaporgia and Kiersong. This land bridge to Crimea, which 58 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: allows this openness to the Black Sea and. 59 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: The Sea of Azov. What is it that will get 60 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 4: the Russians to stop. 61 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: Well, this is the first conversation we've ever had where 62 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: the discussion of land came into play. 63 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: We saw that people were talking about it. 64 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: We certainly have heard the reporting that the Europeans have 65 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: introduced this idea there is going to be a giving 66 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: up of land that's going to happen. But what is 67 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: it that someone gets for this. This is one of 68 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: the things that has been the back and forth conversation 69 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: of will he won't he? Meaning Trump and you can 70 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: argue of European nations regarding this idea of a peace 71 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: keeping force. When President Trump was asked about this in 72 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: the Oval Office meeting with Vladimir Zelenski, he said, well, 73 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: that's what we're going to discuss in the meeting meeting, 74 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: the meeting with Macron Maloney of Italy, Vanderalayan of the 75 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: European Commission, stub of Finland. 76 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: And people are like, why is why are the Finns 77 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 4: in this meeting. 78 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 6: We might come from a small country, but we have 79 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 6: a long border with Russia over eight hundred miles, and 80 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 6: we of course have our own historical experience with Russia 81 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 6: from World War Two, the Winter War and the War 82 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 6: of Continuation. And if I look at the silver lining 83 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 6: of where we stand right now, we found a solution 84 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 6: in nineteen forty four, and I'm sure that we'll be 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 6: able to find a solution in twenty twenty five to 86 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 6: end Russia's War of aggression and find and get a lasting, unjust. 87 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: Peace that has to happen to people giving things up 88 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: and accepting things and putin giving things up and accepting 89 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: things that we were discussing whether or not this means 90 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: a peacekeeping force, what does that look like? What is 91 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: the purpose of that. We've already known that if we're 92 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: going to be engaged in control of rare minerals and 93 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: we're going to be getting mineral rights and we're going 94 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: to be doing work in the area, we're going to 95 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: protect our people. Americans are going to protect American interests. 96 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: And there's just no possibility at all, in any way, 97 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: shape or form of accepting the idea of Russia engaging 98 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: in some kind of attack. It can't be a drone 99 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: attack on Kiev. If there are Americans working in Kiev. 100 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: That's not going to work. That can't be the way 101 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: it goes because Russia would have to pay a very, 102 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: very steep price, because Trump would pay the steep price politically. 103 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: Oh great, Now we've got American troops out there, are 104 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: American forces out there, American something out there. Because you 105 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: just wouldn't leave this thing alone. You had to stay 106 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: involved in it. And now Americans are getting killed. This 107 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: is all your fault. So you got to keep the 108 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: Russians from doing such a thing, and you got to 109 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: be very very rough on that. But if you put 110 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: Americans on the ground in any way, you are saying 111 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: that Americans are there to keep the peace. 112 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 4: We are the deterrent. 113 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, it seems that European nations are okay with being 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: this deterrent as well, but they know that in order 115 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: for the deterrent to actually have more teeth, Ukraine has 116 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: to give something up to sweeten the deal, to just 117 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: be a deterrence for the sake of being the deterrent. 118 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: Is the war footing that very obviously Europe never wanted. 119 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: Certainly America does a lot, but if some land goes 120 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: along with it, oh well, now we're just making a deal. Now, 121 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: all we're doing is making a deal. Do you know 122 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: anything about President Trump? You know that a deal can 123 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: always be made by the way he said as much. 124 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: He said the words in the meeting. 125 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 7: Presidents, you say today, Russia must end this war which 126 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 7: itself started, President Trump, you say. 127 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: President's lindsay, Ukraine can end the world Russia almost immediately 128 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: if he wants to, which is well, I think that's true. 129 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: I think Phil, we're going to have a meeting. I 130 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: think everything works out. 131 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 5: Well today, We'll have a try lad, and I think 132 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 5: there will be a reasonable chance of ending the war when. 133 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 4: We do that. 134 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: And is this the end of the road for American 135 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: support where Ukraine is today's meeting deal or no lead? 136 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: I could never say that. It's never the end of 137 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 4: the road. People are being killed and we want to 138 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: stop that. So I would not say it's the end 139 00:08:59,480 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 4: of the road. 140 00:08:59,840 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 7: Now. 141 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: It's not the end of the road. I could never 142 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: say that it's deal or no deal. Why is that? 143 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: Well, we've been just talking about this now for years. 144 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: If you were part of the Morning show, you heard 145 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: me say this back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. 146 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 4: If you're new to the show, welcome, I'm Tony Katz. 147 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: How are you. 148 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: There are two rules of trumpsm These are the two 149 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: rules of trump Ism. The first rule of trump Ism 150 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: is Trump wins. The second rule of trump Ism is 151 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: that a deal can always be made as long as 152 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: it adheres to the first rule of trump Ism. There's 153 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: always room for a deal booboo. There's always an opportunity 154 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: because any deal can be spun. If the deal works, 155 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: look what I did. If the deal doesn't work, look 156 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: what they did. I'm sorry. Are we not being honest 157 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: about what it is we're seeing, doing, experiencing and who 158 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: we're dealing with. And by the way, what would make 159 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: anybody think that a deal lasts forever. It's the weirdest 160 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: thing in the world where you have the political left 161 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: thinking that somehow there is a deal to be made 162 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: that lasts forever. Really, what they say is, well, we 163 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: gotta be tough with Russia. You're not being toughen up 164 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: with Russia. Yet no one, not a single progressive, has 165 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: advocated for sending in fifty thousand troops and shooting Russians 166 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: in the skull. 167 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 4: And until they. 168 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: Do, maybe they could sit down and be quiet and 169 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: let somebody else try and get something done. If Trump 170 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: can get putin to accept less land and get Ukraine 171 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: to give up some land, don't get me wrong, it sucks, 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: but that's going to lead to the force, and that 173 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: force is gonna spend a lot of time in Ukraine 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: for a lot of years to come to keep Russia 175 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: at bay, which is exactly what Europe wants, which is 176 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: why europe understanding that the president is not going to 177 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: move on the idea of oh yeah, we'll just put 178 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: American forces in there like somehow this was nineteen ninety six, 179 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: and we'll take care of you all. Don't worry about it. 180 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: Just go back to hating us and not paying your 181 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: fair share into NATO. See what I did, I utilized 182 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: their fair share argument against them. 183 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, that felt so good. We're not going back 184 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: to that. 185 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: The Europeans have figured this out, you know, I just 186 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: played the president of Finland. Never forget that Finland wasn't 187 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: even a member of NATO until twenty twenty three. 188 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: They for forever have stayed out of NATO. Why eight 189 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: hundred mile border? They literally don't want to poke the bear. 190 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: But seeing that Joe Biden was incompetent, and what happens 191 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: if you elect an American president who isn't willing to 192 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: do the hard work, incapable like Joe Biden, you better 193 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: be prepared yourself join NATO. Yeah you might. You might 194 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: need a friend, you might need a buddy, you might 195 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: need a pal. If Putin is what we know him 196 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: to be, an expansion of power. So we have this meeting, 197 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: We have the second meeting, and what we have is 198 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 2: the opportunity for this trilateral bit of conversation. I still 199 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: don't know how this isn't going to lead to some 200 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: type of American force mixed in with the NATO force. 201 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: The Ambassador to NATO, Matt Whitaker. 202 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 7: Ultimately, the American people have already given over three hundred 203 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 7: billion dollars to Ukraine to support its economy, to support 204 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 7: its war efforts. We are now have this mechanism that 205 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 7: I'm helping coordinate where American arms and ammunition are being 206 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 7: sold to our European NATO allies plus Canada, and those 207 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,359 Speaker 7: are being provided to Ukraine. And so far we've completed 208 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 7: billions of dollars of those transactions. It does not make 209 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 7: America any less strategically strong, but it does help you 210 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 7: crane defend itself, and so that was an important step. 211 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 7: I think that's one of the reasons that Vladimir Putin's 212 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 7: at the table. You know, the security guarantees, those were 213 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 7: the topic yesterday, what each country was willing to do 214 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 7: and provide. Certainly European troops in Ukraine. Ultimately, after the 215 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 7: war ends and we have a peace deal is on 216 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 7: the table. President Trump has said that the United States 217 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 7: will be part of that coalition, but at the same 218 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 7: time he has not committed to American. 219 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: Troops being there. But there are. 220 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:37,239 Speaker 7: Certain capabilities, especially on the command and control and other capabilities, 221 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 7: that only the United States of America can provide. It's 222 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 7: why most countries in the world want to be our ally, 223 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 7: and among other things, being the largest economy and the strongest, 224 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 7: most powerful military are a couple other reasons. But you know, 225 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 7: certainly the coalition, the willing and the security guarantees are 226 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 7: crucial for Ukraine. And at the same time, Putin conceding 227 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 7: that on Friday, I think was a big step towards peace. 228 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: So where does this put us? I think the only 229 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: proper answer is we don't know. What we know is 230 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: these people on the left screaming Trump failed this, and 231 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: Trump failed that, and Trump's playing into Putin's hand, and 232 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: Putin's playing Trump like a puppet. These are the worst, 233 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: most awful, deft, ignorance people out there. They're not worthy 234 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: of your time, and you should call them damn fools, 235 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: including that cousin of yours. Do you know the cousin. 236 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: We all hate that cousin. We don't know where it's 237 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: going to lead. Here's what we know. For the first time, 238 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: there's a real conversation about what it's going to take 239 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: to make this stop. Not well, will give them this? 240 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: Not well, we'll give them that. And maybe it's just 241 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: a question of they've both gone on long enough dying 242 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: that they want this, they want it to end. Not 243 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure what it is that Putin actually wants. 244 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: What I know is yesterday's meetings mattered, they count, they 245 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: had value. Is it going to lead to something perfect? 246 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: I don't know it's going to lead to anything that works. 247 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: But it's all a step in a direction, a far 248 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: greater step than anything Biden never gave anything. 249 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: And we should be rational. 250 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: People and hope that it works, and hope that it 251 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: works in a way that does not harm Americans, which 252 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: is of course what we would want. But if you 253 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: ask me, do I think America is going to be involved, 254 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: I'll bet money on that one. 255 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 256 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: The second reason is climate change. 257 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 8: It means that Chicago's working class communities are experiencing more 258 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 8: and more frequent one hundred year storms and extreme weather. 259 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: We need to build more climate. 260 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 8: Resilient infrastructure, plant more trees to absorb water, and modernize 261 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 8: our infrastructure to account for this new reality. 262 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: Allow me to give you the new reality, Mayor Johnson 263 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: of Chicago. 264 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 4: You're weird, oh and a bigot. So look, you could 265 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: be one or the other. You can be weird or 266 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: you could be a bigot. You can't be both. No, 267 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 4: that's not true. 268 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: Usually usually he goes hand in hand, doesn't it, Tony cats, Tony. 269 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: Cats today, good to be with you. 270 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: The storms are not climate change. We've been through this, 271 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: and a hurricane heading for the Carolinas is not affecting 272 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: you in Chicago, You weirdo. You know it is the 273 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: sixteen year olds killing fifteen year olds that's affecting you, 274 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: and that has nothing to do with climate change. But 275 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: don't worry. You'll explain, pretend that it is. You'll somehow 276 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: decide that it is. First the bigotry of Brandon Johnson, 277 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: the mayor of Chicago. His hatred of people who are white, 278 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: His hatred of people who are white. I said that twice, 279 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: because it's just that much hatred. It's obvious and clear, 280 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: Like LORI Lightfoot. They had the opportunity to do something better, 281 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: they chosen and they suffer. And now such a progressive 282 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: we're talking about climate change. This argument doesn't move anybody. 283 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: Although there is this concept of climate anxiety. Have you 284 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: heard this, Producer Landon, you are of a agen Z generation. 285 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard any of your friends talking about 286 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: climate anxiety? 287 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 4: No, can't say that I have. 288 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: Okay, have you heard anybody ever mention climate anxiety other 289 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: than Kalmalos stept other than kamalas stepdaughter? 290 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 7: Noe? 291 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 4: Correct, right, she has the climate anxiety? 292 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, then good, it's not happening because you know, if 293 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: it's not happening producer land And it's not happening, right, 294 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: whether we're talking about climate or his love life, it 295 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: is not happening to producer Landing. 296 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: I have no idea if that's true. I don't ask 297 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 4: those kinds of. 298 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: Questions things Tony doesn't ask for forty bajillion about Landon's 299 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: personal life. 300 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: That's that is. That is not where I want to Nope, No, 301 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: don't ask. I'm not gonna do it. 302 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: Well, just because you're like, oh now you want to know, 303 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: you dm them yourself. 304 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: Slide on in there. See what happens. See how it 305 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 4: goes right there? Right, maybe he'll give you some climate anxiety. 306 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh no, it's gonna work out. 307 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: I know that this from the mayor of Chicago is 308 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: is just silliness. When you can't tackle the issues in 309 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: front of you, when you can't make your city safe, 310 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: when you can't engage in growth, when you can't bring 311 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: down the tax burden, when you can't create a better 312 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: life for people, you better have something to blame. 313 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: You better have a way to scare them. 314 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: You see, I'm told that Trump talks about all these 315 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: other things because he wants. 316 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: To distract from Epstein. But we're all still talking about Epstein. 317 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: Look at all what I mentioned, and Brandon Johnson's talking 318 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: about climate anxiety, trying to distract from the fact that 319 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: Chicago is not livable, which is too bad because it's 320 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: a great city. Keep it here, This is Tony Katz today, 321 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: let's fight. I am going to make the case for redistricting, 322 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: and I want it known that I accept the fact 323 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: that not everybody agrees with me. I can accept the 324 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 2: fact that some people think that it's just rank politics. 325 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: I hear you, But I want to make sure we're 326 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: all talking about the same game. There has never been 327 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: a time where the expression don't hate the player hate 328 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: the game has never been more factual. Let me make 329 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: my case, then we can discuss it. 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Census you determine how what your population is 349 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: representation In congress is based on. 350 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: That you then. 351 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: Redistrict maybe you gain a, seat maybe you lose a, 352 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: seat maybe you have the same number of. 353 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: Seats you're allowed to move some things. Around, boom it's. 354 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: Done you don't do it again for another ten, years 355 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: standard operating. Procedure sometimes a registracting happens in the middle 356 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: of a. Decade right censuses every ten. Years that's a. 357 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: Decade happens in the middle of the. Decade mid. Decade redistricting, 358 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: rare but does happen, illegal absolutely not immoral. Zero it 359 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: is a political process that a party in power can. 360 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Utilize republicans are the party in power In. Texas they 361 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: believe they have reasons for, redissecting and one of those 362 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: reasons is that the census may not have been perfectly. 363 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: Accurate they see that things should be done a little. 364 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Differently whatever their reasons, are the legislature can do. This 365 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: they are well within their. Rights the people who have 366 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: a say on whether or not they like it or 367 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: don't like it are the people Of. Texas they can 368 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: vote out members of the. Legislature someone said to, me, 369 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: well if they redraw the, lines you won't be able 370 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: to vote out your. Person these are lines For, congress 371 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: and it is done by the state. Legislature that's their. 372 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Power so you could still vote out your state. Person 373 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: and that's the way it should be a political, process 374 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: where the people who have been elected by the citizens 375 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: are engaged in a, process and the citizens don't like 376 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: the citizens can remove. 377 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: Them that's. 378 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: It now you live in another, state you don't like the, 379 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: thing well that's, fine that's totally, fine no. Problem you 380 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: don't have to like. It but somebody could look at 381 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: what's happening In texas and, say that's interesting to try over. 382 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: Here maybe we should be looking at that that does. 383 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: Happen and certainly there has been a push For indiana 384 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: to do. 385 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: THIS. 386 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: Jd, vance The Vice, president came To indiana to speak 387 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: with the, Governor Mike, brown former, senator and elected officials. 388 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: Here there has been nash conversations About. Indiana why aren't 389 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: you doing this? Already The president told you he wants it. 390 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: Done one of those came From Charlie, kirk AND i 391 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: would say To Charlie, KIRK i don't, Know, charlie that's 392 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: not the way. 393 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: To approach the people. 394 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: Here you approach people In indiana through the, conversation not 395 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: through some do what you're told. 396 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 4: Thing don't do. 397 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: THAT i, Mean i'm not gonna nothing's gonna stop. You 398 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: you'll do whatever you want to. Do you're after maybe 399 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: a different. AUDIENCE i am after the discussion of why this. 400 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: Matters when the conversation came To, INDIANA i said out, Loud, 401 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: indiana we have nine congressional. 402 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: Seats seven of them are held By. 403 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: Republicans one is held By Democrat Andre carson and what's 404 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: known as the seventh district in the, Capital. Indianapolis the 405 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: other one is held by A democrat Named Frank mravan Near. 406 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: Chicago right so north, top top, top northwest. Corner you've 407 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: got seven of. NINE i really don't think the this 408 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: is the state for. It there are probably other states 409 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: for this. Redistricting SO i left it. THERE i didn't 410 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: pay any more attention to, it AND i think that 411 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: the vast majority of people would have paid no more 412 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: attention to. It but the political, left at all, times 413 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: and in all cases and in all ways overplays their. 414 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: Hand and we should be honest with ourselves and honest 415 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: with Our democrat. Friends AND i know there are plenty 416 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 2: of people on the political left who. Listen you could 417 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: not have looked worse with this escape To illinois. Insanity 418 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: Texas democrats in the legislature who didn't want to have 419 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: to vote regarding, redistricting said we can deny The republicans of. 420 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: Quorum we'll escape To. 421 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: Illinois will hang, out and they won't be able to 422 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: get a, quorum they won't be able to. Vote this 423 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: is What wisconsin democrats, DID i believe in twenty. Ten 424 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: this is What indiana democrats didn't twenty. Eleven this. Happens 425 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: they run, Away it's what they. Do they looked. Ridiculous 426 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: yet Somehow democrats like the governor Of, Illinois Jam, pritzker 427 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: the governor Of New, York Kathy, hokel the leader of 428 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: The democrats in The house Of King, jeffries and others 429 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: came To illinois and to support. Them and you're doing 430 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: such important, work and you're so. Brave they're not. Brave 431 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: they're all. Losers every Single democrat in The Texas house 432 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: is a. Loser every Single democrat who went To illinois 433 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: is a loser who hates. Democracy sometimes you, lose you 434 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: make your, case you try to, persuade which is the 435 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: conversation THAT i believe is important to, have and not 436 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: the conversation with this top down do WHAT i tell 437 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: you That Charlie kirk seems to want to put out. 438 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 4: There i'm just, Saying, charlie it's not the right approach For. 439 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: Indiana The democrats are on the wrong side of everything. 440 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 2: Here they look like, fools and that could have been, 441 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: enough but Other democrats were supporting them and making this 442 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: a story overplaying their. Hand Then Gavin, newsom the governor Of, 443 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: california he comes from the land of Palmade he, says, 444 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: well If texas does. 445 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 4: This. 446 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: We are going to redistrict and we're gonna wipe out 447 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: Five republican. Seats, now Could california do? This, well they're 448 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: well within their rights to do. This any state can 449 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: engage to, redistricting even a mid decade. Redistricting of course they. 450 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: Can the question before us is why are they doing him? 451 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: Now The White house seems very intent on redistricting because 452 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: they're making an argument that the census from twenty twenty 453 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: is a bunch of. 454 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 4: Bunk it's. 455 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 2: Garbage the census happened DURING, covid so people were not 456 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: answering things. Properly the census includes people who are here. Illegally, 457 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: now The constitution talks about the idea about the number of, 458 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: people not the number of. Citizens so the left takes 459 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: this as you can count people who are here, illegally. 460 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 4: And they want to use that to their. 461 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: Advantage of, COURSE i think rational people would, say we 462 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: don't count people who are here. 463 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: Illegally you shouldn't count them for. Anything that's. 464 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: Crazy the only time WHERE i favor making sure we 465 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: count people who are here illegally is if we're dealing with. 466 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 4: Vaccines and you say to, me you want to give them? 467 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: Healthcare, NO i want To if we're talking, about for, 468 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: example flu, shots and people can decide whether to take 469 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: the flu shot or, NOT i don't want to ask 470 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: if somebody's citizens to get the flu. 471 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 4: SHOT i want less flu going. 472 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: Around so If i'm told that the flu shot, works 473 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 2: it has, advocacy why WOULDN'T i want to give it to, 474 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: people regardless of anything having to do with their. 475 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 4: Status it's safer for The american. CITIZEN i think that's 476 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: just a rational way to go about. 477 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: Things so The White house talks about you shouldn't count 478 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: people who are here. 479 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 4: Illegally the whole census FROM covid was a big hot. 480 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: Mess this isn't accurate the, formulation which is the system 481 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: that we, use the methods. 482 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 4: That we, Use just like FOR bls to be our 483 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 4: of labor. 484 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: Statistics it doesn't. Work we need a better. System it 485 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: is a fine argument as far As i'm. Concerned let 486 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: someone prove why it isn't let them prove why it. 487 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: Is this is what a debate is all. About california's 488 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: not making that. Argument california is not making The texas. 489 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: Argument What Gavin newsom is saying IS i believe in. 490 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: RETRIBUTION i am such a craven political animal that because 491 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: the state Of texas has decided to do, SOMETHING i 492 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: must engage in retribution for my, party not for the, 493 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: country not For, california for my party and take Away republican. 494 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: Seats and that'll teach. 495 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: HIM i don't know about, you BUT i was told 496 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: when someone acts like a, bully you got to punch 497 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: the bully in the. Nose, Thatt i've heard that a million. 498 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Times california is engaging in. Retribution Gavin newsom wants. Retribution 499 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: he Wants democrats to engage in. Retribution and there Are 500 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: democrats out there now supporting this idea of. Retribution If 501 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: texas does, this we'll do to make all these changes 502 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: in our. States and, thus even IF i was on the, 503 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: Fence i'm not sure why the redistricting conversation comes to 504 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: my state Of. INDIANA i am now one thousand percent 505 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: in favor of, it because in a political, fight these 506 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: people have to. Lose this wasn't a political. Fight this 507 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Was texas making a. Decision And texas could have made 508 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: the decision and someone could have Said indiana should do, 509 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: this And indiana probably would have just shrugged its shoulders 510 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: him and like it's not for. Us that's what they 511 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: would have. Said and right now there Are republicans coming 512 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: out and, saying, Yeah i'm not in favor of. This 513 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: what do you, mean you're not in favor of? This 514 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: you don't even know what you're in favor for or. 515 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: NOT i Heard Mitch, daniels the former, governor say he's 516 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: not in favor of. It with all due respect To Mitch, 517 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: daniels AND i am a fellow of The Mitch Daniels Leadership, 518 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: FOUNDATION i believe he's. WRONG i have seen Members republicans 519 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: Say i'm not in favor of. THIS i don't think 520 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: you've thought it. Through so the question now comes to 521 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: something called a special. 522 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: Session you've heard this in your states. 523 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: Before will the Governor Mike brown call a special session 524 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: to discuss the idea of? Redisseriting AND i believe the 525 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: only answer is you have to call the session and 526 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: let people. 527 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 4: Vote they don't vote for, It, okay there was a. 528 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: Discussion they didn't vote for, it and now we could 529 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: talk about. THAT i want to be on the. RECORD 530 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 4: i don't care what they want to be on the record. 531 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: For i'm not interested in their political. 532 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: Futures i'm interested in making sure that the attack dog 533 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 2: Of Gavin newsom doesn't get his. 534 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: Way we're in a fight for our, lives. 535 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: And i'm interested In republicans across the country fighting. 536 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: BACK i favor. Redistricting let me know what you think 537 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 4: this Is Tony katz? 538 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 9: Today, WELL i mean people ask me, like, oh you, Know, 539 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 9: florida you guys are. 540 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 4: Leading this is how you do. 541 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 9: IT i was, like you, know As Governor, FLORIDA i 542 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 9: get this great cheat. Code ALL i gotta do is 543 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 9: look To New, York, Illinois california and then do the opposite. 544 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 4: That right, There Ron. DeSantis how DO i? Govern? RIGHT 545 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: i take a look. 546 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: At What, California New york And illinois are doing THAT 547 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: i do the. 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Happening as 567 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: a matter of, fact we're ready for. It china's saying On, 568 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: monday it stands ready to work with the greatest effort 569 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: for peaceful reunification With. Taiwan this was a response To President, 570 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: trump who Allegedly trump was saying in an interview he 571 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: did With, fox Telling jesu And paying That china will 572 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: not Invade taiwan While trump's in. Office you want to 573 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: talk about a comment WHEN i read it last, NIGHT i, 574 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: man that's that's the oogie feeling right. 575 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 4: There that's that feeling right now in the video Stopping you're, like, oh, 576 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 4: OH i. 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