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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, a former vice presidential candidate and

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Speaker 1: original Black Lives Matter founder, doctor Malina Abdullah will take

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Speaker 1: over our classroom now. Doctor Abdullah will analyze the Trump

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning, Grand Rising ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Colin Nelson morning. So as we try to connect,

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Speaker 2: it looks like we may be having a little bit

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Speaker 2: Monday is starting off swell for you as we get

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Speaker 2: ready to have some interesting guests today.

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Speaker 3: And as you know, my name is Kevin Langford's.

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Speaker 2: And usually you'll be hearing from the Maestro himself, and

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Speaker 2: here he is on our phone line.

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Speaker 3: Carl Nelson, Grand Rising.

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Speaker 4: Grand Rising, Kevin, Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your

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Speaker 4: week us again. Later, former Vice pressure on candidate and

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Speaker 4: original Black Lives Matter founder doctor Malina Abdullah will take

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Speaker 4: over our classroom. Doctor Abdullah will analyze her Trump Administration's

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Speaker 4: continued to attack on Venezuela, also address allegations of fraud

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Speaker 4: facing another Black Lives Matter chapter before doctor Abdullah Jones,

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Speaker 4: though Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden will discuss the

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Speaker 4: noticeable silence from major civil rights groups in response to

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Speaker 4: the onbrowne attacks by Donald Trump. Also, a music historian

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Speaker 4: Bill Compton will be on hand as well, and Chicago

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Speaker 4: actors pastor Anthony Williams will check in. In fact, he's

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Speaker 4: on deck the first list. Kevin's already opened the classroom door. So, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: what's going on in the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let's talk about the victory for

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Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 3: They finally learned that you can win a game if you.

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Speaker 2: If you stay consistent somehow, you know, a sixty three

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Speaker 2: how that was. I don't know what happened on in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: You got any news on the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, so we go to Baltimore, Kevin, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you saw the opening of the game. Line

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Speaker 4: back of Frankie Levouver was coming to the ballpark with

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Speaker 4: was as col As all get out on Sunday, did you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw that. All people saw that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I saw a photo of that. I was wondering

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Speaker 2: I guess he's trying to adjust to the coal is

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Speaker 4: Probably is the cold. Hope he doesn't get sick with

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Speaker 4: Commander is one. And next week they played the Patriots

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Speaker 4: in eight o'clock game. But you talked about Baltimore, the

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Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens. They shut out the Bengals twenty four, you know,

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Speaker 4: that the Commanders who played the Eagles on Saturday. There's

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Speaker 4: the Commanders will were playing the Eagles. That should be

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Speaker 4: You know, Johnson Gihanson in the formula of opposition this season,

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Speaker 4: you know, next on Saturday's game when they played the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, look, according to see and in politics, Trump

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Speaker 2: It's done things on Epstein, on Russia's war, on Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, that'll start with Margie Taylor Green Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that his his base is disappointed in

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Speaker 2: Attorney General Pam Bondi had said in.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And that's why the MAGA people are scratching

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Speaker 4: So they having second thoughts. That's where all this is. Biased.

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Speaker 4: Remorse has come from as far as Donald Trump is concerned.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the GOP defectors raise the heat on the Republicans

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Speaker 2: over health subsidies vote. The GOP leaders in both chambers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is. But they haven't twill there in a week.

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Speaker 4: get your egos. So they getting pressure from back home.

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Speaker 3: And he's still conceptually trying to figure it out. Right. Look,

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Speaker 2: The question is is a billionaire hotel air the answer

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Speaker 3: You see, Illinois Governor JB.

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Speaker 3: So he has emerged.

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Speaker 2: He look, he has emerged as one of the loudest,

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Speaker 2: even as his own party wrestles with how to handle

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Speaker 4: You haven't got done, Like you said, He's filthy rich,

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Speaker 4: he's got and he doesn't care. He doesn't he doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a cowtown to Donald Trump. You know, he's got

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Speaker 4: It's it's again. It's all about who's got more money.

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Speaker 2: They like, Oh, I see that. They say the Prince

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Speaker 4: Well, he's got the money, and he's not desires of

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Speaker 4: American public is just fed up with these millionaire billionaires

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Speaker 2: So and that's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: On this Monday, the fifteenth of December, We've got your

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Speaker 4: Right, before we go, just one more item Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is taking the first staff to see some

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Speaker 4: all you golfer's out there in Washington, d C. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's coming for your will be for you. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: Going to change the golf course. Yeah, like the Langston

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Speaker 4: Activist pastor Anthony Williams is joined us. Pastor Williams, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 4: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: Oh grand Rise, and brother Nelson. It's always an honor

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Speaker 5: and my pleasure to be on your great show.

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Speaker 4: You've been You've been hounding and pounding the bricks and

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Speaker 4: talking about, you know, violence, You've made at the core

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Speaker 4: up with work. You say, it's it's a national problem,

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Speaker 5: So it's time to address the problem. This is the

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Speaker 5: Well, First of all, violence is big business. It's the

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Speaker 1: I guess there's a Pastor Anthony Williams out of Chicago.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I just want to make sure because your volume

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Speaker 5: You educate the people. People need to be educated on

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Speaker 1: Right and all I thought right there, Pastor Williams, let

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Speaker 5: submarine costs? How much you think it costs to run

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Speaker 5: a police department? Say, oh, this is a part of

433
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Speaker 5: the system. I'm the balesman the judges. So you can

434
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 5: put some people out of business, and that's a good thing.

435
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 5: That's a good thing because no civilization can can continue

436
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 5: to go forward with this type of behavior. And I

437
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: and I will debate anybody on this issue. There is

438
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Speaker 5: no debate. But all the data is there, not just

439
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 5: the emotions of Anthony Williams, it's more than that in

440
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 5: anybody motions. Look, what's happening When you talk about post

441
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 5: traumatic stress, that's one thing, but now you have what

442
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 5: happens in a whole situation of stress. It's the current

443
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 5: stress that takes place, current stress, current stress, economic vilence,

444
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 5: political violence. That's a part of the tree of violence.

445
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: So you got current stress, then you got post traumatic stress.

446
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 5: But then you got a stress that they know. People

447
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 5: don't even want to talk about, anticipatorial stress that just

448
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: stepping outside of my door of my house, something may

449
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 5: happen to me. And everybody's walking around with a gun.

450
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 5: Everybody's got a gun. So I mean this type of

451
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 5: behavior up. We got to address this because we're sick

452
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Speaker 5: and we got to heal. We got to get healthy.

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Speaker 1: In this nation.

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Speaker 5: And I will continue to scream it from the mountaintops.

455
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 5: If we don't address it, we're going to continue to

456
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Speaker 5: have this type of societial decline. And it's across the board.

457
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Speaker 1: And people can't say, well, well, let me interrupt you again

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Speaker 1: and ask you this, how far would you go? Because

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Speaker 1: you're talking about violence, Pastor Williams and those you are

460
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: just checking in past Anthony Williams is out of Chicago

461
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: and that he wants a federal hearing on violence. Would

462
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Speaker 1: would you would you go after football? Football is a

463
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Speaker 1: violent sport? Would would you stop that as well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Man, you want me to start you want you

465
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 5: want to start a revolution in this country, a real revolution.

466
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Speaker 5: Mess with football and see what's going to happen. People commits,

467
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Speaker 5: people kill you.

468
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Speaker 3: Man.

469
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Speaker 5: You can't mess with the Gladators. I heard, I heard.

470
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: I heard the commentator that you were in communication with

471
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 5: talk about how one of these Gladaidors walked out in

472
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Speaker 5: the in the fridge cold with no shirt on and

473
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: no shoes. See, that's we like our gladiators, bread and

474
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 5: circuses all America.

475
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Speaker 6: Love that.

476
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 5: Can't mess with that now. But what you want to

477
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: do is get it civil. You want you got to

478
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: get people in a calm, calmness, calm, cool and collector.

479
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 5: People got to understand if it's the disease, if I

480
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 5: begin to understand violence of the disease, then my response

481
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: to things will be different. But you got to educate people.

482
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 5: So that's controlled. So no, I would never talk about

483
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 5: messing with the NFL. But then the institution called the

484
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: NFL is very violent. The institution itself and historically is

485
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: violated this players, et cetera, et cetera. You talk about

486
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Speaker 5: the institution of football. You got thirty two teams in

487
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: the NFL, and black folk can't say a popcorn. They

488
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: only doing a half of percent of business with black

489
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: business people. So that's another's institutional bodies. So when you

490
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: start talking about it, then people got to say, man,

491
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 5: who wants to live like this? Who wants to live

492
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 5: like this? Brother Nelson? Because no one is safe. Now,

493
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: I don't walk around path noid, no walking around with

494
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Speaker 5: a weapon. But as a citizen, if you as a citizen,

495
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: now you as a person, you see a situation, you

496
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 5: see a problem, and you know you have the ability

497
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: to help out, to solve, to bring something to the process.

498
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: You don't do it. You're complacen, You're wrong. As a

499
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 5: matter of fact, you're almost sinful. I see this problem

500
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: as a minister to God's I see this problem as

501
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 5: a father or her husband, a grandfather, a friend, a pastor,

502
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 5: A citizen say, I know how to be a citizen,

503
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 5: and right now we need to start. When you see

504
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: a violent government, that is a government that violates us,

505
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 5: we need to act like citizens while we still can.

506
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: And you don't want to go in there fighting and

507
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: bickering with the elected officials. We just want them to

508
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: do their job. We have civilly asked Dick Durbin to

509
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: do his job. Now, I don't mind having a press

510
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 5: conference in front of it, in front of his house. See,

511
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: that's what we had to do with press. I had

512
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 5: to go is. I had to go to this house, man,

513
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: have a press conference. Come on, man signed the bill.

514
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: But they thought, out of ignorance that I would just disappear.

515
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: They didn't know. They were preparing me for the next level.

516
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: And that's for these federal hittings. And I will you

517
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: talk about these civil rights organizations. I reached out to

518
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 5: some of them here silence, silence, because the majority of

519
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: them you eat from the table of corporate America. You

520
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: ain't free, so you gotta be free to do this

521
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 5: kind of work.

522
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Speaker 3: Man.

523
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: You can't be owned by anybody. It is thankless what

524
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 5: we do addressing this issue. But I thank God for you,

525
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 5: brother Nelson, giving us the opportunity to intelligently let the

526
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: citizens understand it's a disease and sections but not contagious.

527
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 5: Have the hearings because you're gonna put you're gonna peel

528
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 5: back the layers of violence and get to the real

529
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 5: get to the real cause of it. And then you're

530
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 5: gonna have to and then and what the institutions themselves

531
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: had to address it, because that's you an example, American

532
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: descendants of slavery, of slavery have been the most violated

533
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Speaker 5: people on God's green Earth.

534
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Speaker 1: All right, hold, I thought right there, Pastor Williams. Well,

535
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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your felt On the other side,

536
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: we gotta check the news, trafficking weather at different cities. Family,

537
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: just join us. I guess he's pasted. Anthony Williams out

538
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: of Chicago. We're talking about violence. Who wants to hold

539
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: federal hearings to discuss the issue? What are your thoughts?

540
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

541
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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls

542
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

543
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: with us again. Our guest is Pastor Anthony Williams out

544
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: of Chicago. He's an activist preacher and he's talking about violence.

545
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: He's calling for a federal hearings on violence. Before we

546
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: go back to you. Let me let me just remind

547
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: you kind of Later this we're gonna speak with the

548
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: former vice presidential candidate and the one of the original

549
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter founder, doctor Melena Abdullah will be going

550
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: to be here. And also we're going to speak with

551
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden. Also we're going to

552
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: talk music music for the season with music historian Bill Carpenter.

553
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: And later this week you're gonna hear from Chematogis brother

554
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Tony Browner, metaphysician and master herbalist. Doctor b will be

555
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: here and Grio Baba Lamma also Jonas. So if you're

556
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, mature you keep you radio locked in tight

557
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB. We're in the DMV around fourteen

558
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: fifteen WL. Also, I condulces to the family and the

559
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: friends and fans of Carl Carlton. He passed away. He

560
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: was suffering at first stroke. Some of you may remember

561
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: your songs that She's a bad Mamma Jamma. We used

562
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: to play that song for Maxine Waters all the time

563
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: and whenever she was on the show that allows to

564
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: pay a record going into the morning show, that was

565
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: her song, She's a bad Mamajamma. Claude Anderson whois song

566
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: would show me the way and we could go on

567
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: or not. But anyway, he passed away on Sunday. He

568
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: was seventy two. So that's carl Carlton eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seven six. That's number to

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Speaker 1: call it right now, though, to speak to our guest,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Anthony Williams, Pastor Williams, I'll let you finish your thought.

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00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: Look, it's just plain common sense to realize, particularly as

573
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 5: a responsible adult and citizen, that when you see a problem,

574
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 5: there's had to be a solution. And with all of

575
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 5: this wonderful technology that we have out here here, we

576
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 5: continue to see this type of primitive behavior because America

577
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 5: is becoming more primitive because of violence. Yet you got technology.

578
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 5: That's why a musk can say, you.

579
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 6: Know what.

580
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 5: He sees the breakdown in society, and the breakdown is

581
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: this violence. And it's such big business because they can

582
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 5: the property is can make money off the violence. If

583
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: you have these hearings. Imagine mister Nelson having these hearings

584
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 5: televised and the American public can see it and hear

585
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 5: it and have the experts come in and call it

586
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 5: by his proper names. See, we want to call it

587
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: by his proper names. Violence is a disease. Who in

588
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: their right mind wants a disease? This, this is the

589
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 5: word disease, disease. It is a disease, a dysfunction. It's

590
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 5: a discomfort. So if you got a disease, address it. Unfortunately,

591
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: you would have this. This man, Robert Candick Jr. Say

592
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: it ain't, but it is. And those epidemiologists that I've

593
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 5: talked to have talked to, and the researcher and the

594
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: data that out look that Okay, this is what is

595
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: infectious but not containing. How do you deal with it?

596
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: You have these legislative hearings so you can begin to

597
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: put the policies in place. And every day legislation hearings

598
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 5: take place all around this country. So that's the process.

599
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: If we want to deal with this issue of violence,

600
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: let's go to the federal level, Let's have the hearings,

601
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: Let's bring in the experts, let's bring in the citizens,

602
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 5: and let's work towards the solution. And it's not complex,

603
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 5: it's common sense. If you want to stop something, Brother Nelson,

604
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 5: you stopping you stop it and.

605
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Let me jump in asking this, So, why do you

606
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: think this is a reluctance to even discuss and have

607
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: a discussion, open discussion about finance. Why is it a

608
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: reluctance from officials?

609
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 5: Well, well, I want to be theological. I want with

610
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: my theological hat on the sin I understand the sinful

611
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: nature of humanity. I'm clear on that. I'm clear on

612
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: the sinful nature of humanity. We're not talking about utopia.

613
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: But see the denial and guess what. They might not

614
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 5: care for the messenger, but they better listen to the message.

615
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 5: They might not care for the messenger, but they better

616
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 5: listen to the message. And see. I know the type

617
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: of resistance that you get from these elected officials because

618
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 5: I've been through a process before. All we're doing, brother

619
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: Nelson is taking the page out to Martin Luther King playbook,

620
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: except we don't have to be out here in masses,

621
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 5: marching or getting bit by dogs or water holes like

622
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 5: they did. He left for blueprint and others have left

623
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: for blueprint. Okay, let's have these, Harry, and any intelligence citizen,

624
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: anybody that's in the politics, know that I'm saying the

625
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: correct thing, Harry. People around the countryship called Durbin. Why

626
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 5: don't you have those hearings? Google is number up. Let's

627
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: have the hearings, Brother Nelson, and you and I will

628
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: sleep better at night because we will know that future

629
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 5: and unborn generations will be safe because we're on the

630
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: right side of history. You know, it's a hell of

631
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: a thing, man, to walk the fence and play the game.

632
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 5: People need to take the mask off out here, take

633
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: the mask off your and see what's happening. You think

634
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 5: your money can save you from this? Man just got

635
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: stabbed to death.

636
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 7: In his home.

637
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: The actor, allegedly by the sun, had a lot of money.

638
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: Did anybody dead? We're all going to die. But while

639
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 5: I'm living, it don't cost nothing to do right. Man,

640
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: It don't cost nothing to do right. So all we

641
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: do is urban do your job, and believe me, America

642
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: will appreciate us, and the world would appreciate because the

643
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 5: next step, if you have these subtle hearings, then the

644
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: next step is to look at this thing globally. So

645
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: just a process to this I had to learn. And

646
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Speaker 5: all I'm saying is the number one problem in the

647
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: twenty first century. If it's not addressed directly, then we

648
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 5: will continue to just sink into the abyss. Man, It's

649
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: got to be addressed. Ain't no debate on this issue.

650
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 5: A child can understand what I'm saying. And if you

651
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: call yourself a so called smart intellectual person, you know

652
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 5: what the hell I'm saying. Hearings, you have hearings, you

653
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: bring forth solutions. You can stop it. You can stop

654
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: the brother, we can stop it. We can deal with it,

655
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: and Illinois is the perfect place to do it. You

656
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 5: got Triska, the so called liberal governor. We got heap support,

657
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 5: but you need you want derbing to have it. And

658
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 5: right now we're trying to get Durbin out the rabbit

659
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 5: hole he's hiding. See, once you send in the request,

660
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 5: there's got to be a response. And the press in

661
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 5: the Chicago land community is not operating from the power

662
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 5: of its forth estate. They did two press conferences on

663
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 5: the subject matter and did not add it. So't they

664
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 5: tell you right there, by Nelson, what you're trying to hide.

665
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 5: And see, I'm not some charlotte and my body of

666
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: work speaks for itself. So I'm not doing I'm not

667
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: out here being done. Kihote I being a coma Cozi pilot.

668
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 5: I don't have that kind of ego. I'm a senior citizen. Man.

669
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 5: I got other things that I could be doing. But

670
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: right now, nothing is more important than the future of

671
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: my grandchildren, the future of your grandchildren, the future of

672
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 5: our descendants. This has to be addressed.

673
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Speaker 1: Nail for for a second, here passed a Williams and

674
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Speaker 1: ask this on the personal level, Because you lost a

675
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: child to violence, is this all of this start? Just

676
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: what started your crusade? Are your violence?

677
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Speaker 5: No? No, no, no no. Prior to my son getting

678
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: getting killed violently, I received a grant from a place

679
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: called wheat Ridge Ministry, and you had to pick certain

680
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 5: subject matters, and so I chose to study violence. It

681
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: was a little ten thousand dollars grant. We stretched that

682
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 5: grant for three years, Man, and when we came out

683
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 5: of that, you know, it was an epiphany. It was

684
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: an epiphany. And this and this assignment, this journey was

685
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 5: given to me to address it. But in the process

686
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 5: I would get born into the eyed hurricane.

687
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 6: Man.

688
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 5: When I lost my son, Man, because brother, ain't nothing

689
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: more painful. Losing a mother and father is tough, but

690
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: when you lose your child because your child's supposed to

691
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 5: bury you. It's a hole in you. Man. And if

692
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: I didn't know the Lord, I'd be done because that

693
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 5: boy was the closest thing to me on this earth

694
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: near Maiah. And hey, man, you will forever have be

695
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: That's a part of post traumatic stress. But my therapy

696
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 5: is my faith. Some people they never get over it, man,

697
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: They can't. They can't. The pain was so great, man.

698
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: And so you've got too many people that are in

699
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: pain and the trauma out here. Because we're allowed this

700
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 5: demonic force to continue to grow in our nation, you

701
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 5: have these hearings, we're able to cut get to the

702
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: root of what we're dealing with. Now. King and Malcolm

703
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 5: address violence too. They understood it, but they addressed it

704
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 5: in blocks. King addressed it, what segregation, This is a

705
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: violent institutional virus. We better address it. This the right

706
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: to vote, that's institutional violence. Not being able to live

707
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 5: where I want to live. So he was he had

708
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 5: to address those institutional violences. That was his assignment. Our

709
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: assignment is to call it by his proper name, A disease,

710
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 5: a disease. Who wants a disease? Nobody the right man

711
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: wants a disease. If you work to a person and

712
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 5: say he wants a disease, let's say I don't want

713
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 5: me to do a disease. So we got addressed, man,

714
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 5: and it can be addressed. It can be addressed. This

715
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: is not about political parties. This is about which way

716
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 5: of America will go? Are we going to be healthy

717
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 5: or be unhealthy? You gotta violate on Pennsylvania Avenue. We

718
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 5: clear on what that is. But guess what and how

719
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 5: I thought right there?

720
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: Let me ask you that is that part of the problem?

721
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 8: Though?

722
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned the person in the White House as a highlighter,

723
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: and there's no argument about that, that's factual. Do you

724
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: think that's part of the problem? Why sort of immuneative

725
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: to violence in this country?

726
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: Now you know what he's help, he's helping, he's helping

727
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: to make the case because of Maria. That's there's only

728
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 5: one known civilization in humanity that was not built by

729
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: built on violence. But every every great civilization wrong, Greece, Egypt,

730
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, They were all built

731
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 5: on some form of violence. America was built on genocide

732
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 5: and slavery. That's the reality. See, because they need hearings.

733
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: You know what comes up, Well, you gotta give reparations. Oh,

734
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 5: when you have hearing us brought a whole lot of things,

735
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: you shake the trees. Legislation also creates wealth. You do

736
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 5: don't know that, don't you? Buther Well Nelson, legislation always

737
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 5: creates wealth. Don't never create wealth for black folks. That's

738
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: why when they uh hand picked these state senators and

739
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: representaters to go out there, we're not supporting them. Some

740
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 5: some some uh some business interest supports them. But the

741
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: problem with citizens is is that we don't support them.

742
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: If we supported them, also you can keep them halfway honest.

743
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 5: So I deal in the world of reality.

744
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 6: Man.

745
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: I'm very pragmatic in approaching life, and I'm saying right now,

746
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 5: you've got to be a damn fool to continue to

747
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 5: sit back and watch this evil grow on us and

748
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 5: guess what I can do something about it? Hearings, hearings,

749
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 5: and that needs to be the echoing call. America's problem

750
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: is arrogance. It's vanity, It's perversiveness has put it in

751
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 5: this position. That's the ve's the theological truths. But we

752
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: got to live. We got to live in this world

753
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: where human beings. There's only one race, mister, human race

754
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 5: at the end of the day. But once again, as

755
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 5: a Black American citizen, I said, man, you know what

756
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 5: black folk, I say, this country again them up hearing.

757
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: That's an intelligent thing. That's not why come you don't

758
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 5: hear me. You're afraid to have hearings. But Nelson, that's

759
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: just accent hear and put it in writing this on paper, you.

760
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: Right there pasted the ways we're gonna check the traffic

761
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: and weather in our different cities. But let me ask

762
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you this and I'll let you respond to it we

763
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: get back. You call it for hearings. Is there when

764
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: you have the hearings. I know you're going to set

765
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: it up because you share that twenty twenty different levels

766
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: of violence including domestic violence and terrorism and all that

767
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of violence as well violence in schools, all of that.

768
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have hearings and you're gonna have a

769
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: breakdown of a specialist to deal with those issues. But

770
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: what's the follow up after the hearings? What do you

771
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: have a plan? What do we do after the hearings?

772
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: And I'll let you respond when we get back. But

773
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, it's four minutes away from the top

774
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of our family, just join us. I guess his pastor

775
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: Anthony Williams out of Chicago's an activists past in our

776
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: crusade for years now to get violence declared a natural disaster,

777
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: and he wants to you know, he wants the federal

778
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: government to take up He's calling for hearings, federal hearings

779
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: to be held in Illinois, his state, and you know,

780
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: for us to come up with and tackle this issue

781
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: of violence. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or

782
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six numbers of calls? Speak

783
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: to Pastor Williams. We'll take your phone calls that we

784
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: check the news, traffic and weather in our different cities.

785
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your

786
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: week with us. I guess the Chicago activists Pastor Anthony Williams,

787
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: he's calling for federal hearings on folence a moment. Tell

788
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: her we will speak with Bill competent and we will

789
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: talk about music, the music of the season. But Pastor Williams, again,

790
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: my question to you is, after so is successful in

791
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: getting these federal hearings, what next? After the hearings?

792
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: Man, then you get your senator. The person to hold

793
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: here is to introduce legislation. Once you had it, here

794
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 5: is the next lef legislation, legislation signed, and pray how

795
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 5: they can do it executive order. Then what happens is

796
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 5: your public prices are laid out for your legislation. That's

797
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 5: how you're able to make the change. And the perfect

798
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 5: example was an authentic civil rights movement. You know at

799
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 5: the King got killed. Man, I watched in Chicago as

800
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 5: a boy, growing over as a teenager, people start hustling

801
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: civil rights, same thing with this violence piece. They hustle it.

802
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 5: You have all these so called organizations out here supposed

803
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 5: to stop violence, and they can't throw rights in a

804
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 5: wedding because you don't know what you're dealing with and

805
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 5: you're dealing with it in an incorrect way. And when

806
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 5: you talk about this violence money that the federal government

807
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 5: is given out, especially under Biden, etc. When I looked

808
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: around in the black community in Chicago, you got two

809
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 5: white men that get all the money. Two white organizations

810
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 5: primarily white folks, get to half of the money for

811
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: violence prevention. Man. So you're talking about big business. Yeah,

812
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 5: So you you see with let the slay. You redirect

813
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 5: the funding. In Chicago, you had got an organization called

814
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: the Crown Foundation. You can google that up, folks, the

815
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 5: Crown Foundation. The Crown was a being there got killed

816
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 5: in a driving a race car on the sixty first

817
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 5: birthday and crashed and killed yourself. But he wanted to

818
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 5: address the issue of violence. Well, Chris Gerr and the

819
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: mayor of Chicago, all of them got together and met

820
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 5: and they cut that money up so they can deal

821
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 5: with this issue politically. You cannot deal with this issue politically.

822
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: It's not you don't. It's it's none of them. I say, politically,

823
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 5: it's not a political issue. It's not a political issue

824
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 5: like that. It's a it's a human rights issue. You

825
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 5: got to deal with it. It's a disease. With dealing

826
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 5: with the disease. And so the whole approach has been

827
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: it's been backwards. I've been watching for you been backwards.

828
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 5: And then when you try to talk with a lot

829
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: of these elected officials, you know they'll tell you anything

830
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 5: they think you want to hear. But I understand what

831
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 5: you're doing. We need those hearings. America will be a

832
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 5: better place, a safer place, if we have these hearings

833
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 5: and address the issue of violence correctly. I mean address

834
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 5: it correctly. Like I said, we ain't looking for utopia,

835
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 5: but I'll tell you what our future generations will appreciate us.

836
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Speaker 9: Brother.

837
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me ask you this, pastors, before we

838
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: let you go. What's the next move? Do you need

839
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: people to help you as you get the governor on

840
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: board or Dick Durbin? Do you want people to call

841
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: his office? What's needed?

842
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 5: What we're posting around Illinois? And I thank you for

843
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 5: allowing us to have an opportunity to get voice. So

844
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 5: when people hear this show, listening to this show, uh,

845
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 5: they will have clarity in terms of what we're saying.

846
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 5: We're asking people to call Dick Derwin's office and support

847
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: the hearings on American violence as a public care crisis,

848
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 5: crisis and disease with a national plan of civility. That's

849
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: real simple for them and this don't cost nobody nothing.

850
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 5: Call his office, talk about this. You know, thank you

851
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: for this show because in Chicago, you know they're trying

852
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 5: to muzzle this, but we can't. But see God knows

853
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 5: what he's doing. I thank God for your brother Nelson

854
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 5: for this opportunity because people need to know that there

855
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 5: are people who are out here diligently working for this

856
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 5: cause and they don't get paid. They do it because

857
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 5: they love life, They love they people, they love their community,

858
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: love the country. I mean, I have respect for America.

859
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 5: It ain't what it ought to be. But I tell

860
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 5: you what I sometimes I say, Man, Man, I thank

861
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 5: God for people like King Man Hey boh be on

862
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 5: the back of the bus colored water found who that reality?

863
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 5: That's mind bogglings have lived in that reality. Well, we

864
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 5: got to keep doing what's right. And like King will say,

865
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 5: it's always right to do what's right, and now's the

866
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 5: time to do what's right. And all I'm trying to

867
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: do is a citizen, get these hearings. Ask people to understand,

868
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 5: we had these hearings. You're gonna learn a lot and

869
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: you're gonna make America a better place. We need these hearings.

870
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 5: We are too uncivil in this nation. And any time

871
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 5: your government is uncivil, then what do you expect of

872
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 5: the citizens?

873
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: Gotcha? So how do we reach your pastor Williams? How

874
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: can folks reach if they want to help you in

875
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: this in this crusade that you started.

876
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 5: People can people can make a civil call to me

877
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 5: at every coach seven o eight sixt' nine oh five

878
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 5: three three nine seven o eight sixt' nine oh five

879
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 5: three nine. Now, you know, people like to gossip and

880
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 5: do all kinds of stuff and talk about stuff. We

881
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 5: want people to really try to talk this up, sause

882
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 5: we got to talk this up. See, we got to

883
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 5: talk this up. You know, a closed mouth does not

884
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 5: get fed. We have to talk this up. If you

885
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 5: for your own self interests, this is important for your

886
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 5: own selfish interests. These hearings are important because it makes

887
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 5: life better for you, It makes life better for your family.

888
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 5: This is a matter of life and death. You know,

889
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 5: we need to address the issue and the times. The

890
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 5: time is right to do it right now. So talking's

891
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 5: over with. I just do what I have to do

892
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: and get out here and do the work. So just

893
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 5: people want people to know, educate people, and we just

894
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 5: want to continue to push your own Burbon and those

895
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 5: who believe in the power of prayer, we ask that

896
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 5: you be praying, but we're gonna keep on working, all right.

897
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, Pastor Williams, Thank you, sir.

898
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 5: God bless everybody.

899
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: Peace, all right, that's past to Anthony Williams out Chicago again.

900
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: He started a crusade decades ago for about violence. He said,

901
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: said twenty levels of violence. Never thought about that, the

902
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: twenty levels of violence. But that's what he shared with

903
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: us this morning. And he's calling for the federal hearings,

904
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: and he's asking his Senator Dick Durbin to host those hearings,

905
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: and he wants them held in Illinois. What are your thoughts? Family,

906
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six.

907
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: I keep that number handing your needed for our next guest,

908
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: who happens to be a music historian, Bill Carver to

909
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Bill grand Rising, Welcome back to the program.

910
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: Good morning, How are you doing.

911
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Bill, I'm still learning. I know I'm

912
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: going to learn a lot of stuff from you as

913
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: well this morning as we talk about the music for

914
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: the season, Bill, help us out here. When when did

915
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: our folks start singing about Christmas? Do you have any

916
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: how far back.

917
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 5: Do you go?

918
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Do you think it goes?

919
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 5: Okay?

920
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 6: You threw me for a loop with that. What I

921
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 6: wasn't expecting that question.

922
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.

923
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: But as far as you can recollect You know, we

924
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: all know that the Christmas songs, when you know the

925
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: standard ones, they get played all the time. But I

926
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out if you knew when the

927
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: first one got played? Who was it? Or were we

928
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: singing in it, or were they you know, under a

929
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: different brand, a different name.

930
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 6: No, to be honest with you, I think pretty much Christmas.

931
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 10: I can be corrected.

932
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 6: And I love that your audience always has amateur scholars

933
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 6: out there who can chip in. But I really think

934
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 6: during World War Two is when the marketing of Christmas

935
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 6: really kicked off. Like I do remember, like the Rudolph

936
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 6: the Red Nosed Reindeer song was part of an advertising

937
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 6: campaign for some department store that was big at that time.

938
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 6: I don't want to say what it was. I don't remember,

939
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 6: but I do remember that, you know. I think it

940
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 6: was something to help those families where the father was

941
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 6: overseas or at a some depots somewhere, to help the

942
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 6: kids feel good, you know, since father is gone and

943
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 6: all this kind of thing. That's all I can think

944
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 6: of right now, But I can think of Christmas songs

945
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 6: going back to the forties, in nineteen forties, in early fifties, like.

946
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 5: The kids did.

947
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 6: Christmas song Santa Baby was nineteen fifty three.

948
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but the first, according to my Google research,

949
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: some of the first Christmas songs in black community where

950
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: there were the spirituals like Rise Up Shepherd and following okay,

951
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 2: Sweet Little Jesus Boy, go telling on the Mountain. Those

952
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: kinds of songs were very popular before Charles Brown in

953
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty came up with the song Please Come Home

954
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: for Christmas.

955
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 6: And that song actually came out before that. That was

956
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 6: a remake in sixty. It was well, yeah, he had

957
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 6: done that earlier.

958
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: Well see, that was considered one of the first black recordings.

959
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: What about James Brown and Santa Claus Goes straight to

960
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: the ghentto.

961
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 3: Remember that?

962
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember that, and.

963
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: That's considered among the first Christmas songs record.

964
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 6: I would not say that was because that was that

965
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 6: would have been the nineteen maybe the late late late sixties, right, yeah.

966
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 6: And there and there were you know, Nat King Coles

967
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 6: the Christmas song you know, Chess MutS Roasting was way

968
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 6: before that, and he did he recorded that song two

969
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 6: or three times because you know, he started off with

970
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 6: the trio. I think you did it with the naking

971
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 6: cole trio and it sounded certain way. Then he did

972
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 6: it a different way in the fifties, and then he

973
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 6: did it once more in the sixties with like with

974
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 6: a Nelson riddle orchestra or something like that.

975
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: Right, did he ever do it on his TV show that,

976
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,959
Speaker 3: you know, his short lived TV show.

977
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 5: I don't know he might have.

978
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: Well, we've got the entre you sent us from Kandy State,

979
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: and would you like.

980
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: To do Yeah, tell us about the song first before

981
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Placy built, how did Candy did When did she

982
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: get into doing a Christmas song?

983
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, it was.

984
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: Literally about the year two thousand and somebody asked her

985
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 6: to do a Christmas song on a TV show and

986
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 6: she just started. She was just sitting in the mall

987
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 6: one day when the question came. She just started looking

988
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 6: at people walking and that's how she started to write

989
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 6: the song. It's called Christmas in My Heart. It's not

990
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 6: a gospel song. It's just a Christmas song about watching

991
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 6: people in the mall. You know, the way they dress, sayings,

992
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 6: they talk about what they're looking forward to doing so and.

993
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 5: It has a little.

994
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 6: Little bluesy kind of you know. Kevin mentioned Charles Brown

995
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 6: a little bit of a Charles Brown kind of flavored

996
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 6: to it.

997
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 5: So that's how that came about.

998
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, here it is by Kandy State and Christmas in

999
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: my Heart.

1000
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 11: I don't have to wait on the twenty feet of December.

1001
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 11: I don't have to wait for the lies to see.

1002
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 12: I don't have to.

1003
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 13: Wait for the holidays spearit.

1004
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 11: And presents.

1005
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 8: Under the tree.

1006
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 11: I don't have to wait.

1007
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: For the Caroline.

1008
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 13: Singing, so the word can say of hardy day east.

1009
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: Of course, I've got Christmas.

1010
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 6: In my heart.

1011
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 14: I love to hear.

1012
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 11: The chield Dreans.

1013
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 14: Leapt, see the old foot walking in the malls, trying

1014
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 14: to decide.

1015
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 11: On crees must presence to get.

1016
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 6: Too long and all.

1017
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 11: And then I think about the reason for the season.

1018
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 11: Christ was born to give us a brand new student.

1019
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: Because so, Bill, did you talk to a candy stating

1020
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: about that yourself?

1021
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 6: The end results, Oh yeah, yeah, I talked to her

1022
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 6: back then about it.

1023
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

1024
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 6: I helped promote it, and I co wrote the song

1025
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 6: on the album for her that she was looking for stuff.

1026
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 6: So I wrote a little something and she fixed it

1027
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 6: up and put it on there.

1028
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: Christmas in my Heart, Yeah, yeah, I always believe that

1029
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: if an act wants to be immortal, they do a

1030
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: Christmas song. So you know, now we'll be playing this

1031
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: right now, we'll be playing this the rest of the year.

1032
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: Does she have an album that goes with this?

1033
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the name of the album. All right. Yeah,

1034
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 6: it's been out since twenty the year twenty twenty, twenty

1035
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 6: two thousand, the year two thousand, that's when it came out.

1036
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 6: It's been out twenty five years.

1037
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: Man, my family just joining us with Bill comments, I

1038
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: guess he's a music historian. We're talking about the music

1039
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: of the season. What are your thoughts? He got even

1040
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: songs that you have, the music scenes that you like it,

1041
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: maybe the tempts or is mentioned that can call song

1042
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: or whoever who's got a Christmas song? What are your thoughts?

1043
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

1044
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: six on take your phone calls for Bill next, Grand

1045
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: Rising Family. Thanks starting your week with us. At twenty

1046
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: one minutes after the top of they are we have

1047
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: historian music and story. I'm Bill Carpenter with us and

1048
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: Kevin's also jowing us. We're talking about music and music

1049
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: for the season. And even if you're not into Christmas.

1050
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: Some of you got with me. Some of these songs

1051
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: are pretty nice. I mean, we talked about n King

1052
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: Call song of the Christmas Song, we talked about the

1053
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: temps Silent Night, and then there's a whole bunch of

1054
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: other songs out there. It's just the flavor which they're delivered.

1055
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this Bill, your thoughts on

1056
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: these songs, because obviously when they create let's take Candy

1057
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: for instance, her song that we just played recently, do

1058
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: they wait till the Christmas period to record the song

1059
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: to get that feeling or is it done let's say,

1060
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: in the summertime or after Christmas? Get how do you

1061
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: get into that groove to do a Christmas song if

1062
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: it's not done at Christmas? Is Bill still willis?

1063
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:14,959
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1064
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 13: Turn up all the lights we can thinks the life

1065
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 13: we made it through there and we are all right.

1066
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 6: So we said.

1067
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 11: Christmas Show overflows overple lights.

1068
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 14: We can thinks blind were made there and we are.

1069
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: Christmas Show overflow.

1070
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 7: Call a friend you have, let's.

1071
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: See chose some kindie.

1072
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 5: Away from the.

1073
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: Song whereby sums by Sherwin Gardener, it's called a new

1074
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: song called Christmas Joy. I No I don't think they

1075
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: change the format of the radio station. We play music. No,

1076
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: we're discussing music. It's discussing the music for the season.

1077
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Speaker 1: We build carbon day's music and story and do we

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: have build back with us? It's line drops. We got

1079
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: to get built back because you know Christmas music is

1080
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: You've got to have that flavor and you can tell.

1081
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: And I think that the question I asked him before

1082
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: we lost him was the fact that it's candy because

1083
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: he worked on Candy Station's Candy Staten's album Christmas production.

1084
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: Was he done during the Christmas season or was it

1085
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: done in the summertime or after Christmas? Because I feel

1086
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: like you got to get that vibe you.

1087
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, people do it all times.

1088
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 6: The best time is to do it so that you

1089
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 6: can because usually they market it starting in August, because

1090
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 6: you noticed you'll start seeing Christmas trees and stuff, wars

1091
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 6: and things in September even before Halloween sometimes, so the

1092
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 6: best but people can do what do it whenever they want.

1093
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 5: Some people do.

1094
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 6: I remember one year Whitney Houston had the idea to

1095
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 6: go in and do her Christmas album in like October

1096
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 6: and they had it out by first or second week

1097
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 6: in December, but usually people try to do it earlier

1098
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 6: so that they can, you know, roll out a marketing

1099
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 6: plan to make people aware of it because the public.

1100
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: Is very biased.

1101
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 6: They only want to hear this Christmas by Donnie Hashaway

1102
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 6: or Silent Knight by the Tempts or Nat King Cole

1103
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 6: Brenda Lee Rock and around. They there's there's a dozen

1104
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 6: songs that they've become they fallen in love with, and

1105
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 6: they don't want to veer from that playlist. So you

1106
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 6: got to really convince them to give something else a

1107
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 6: new a new listen. That's why it's so amazing that

1108
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 6: like Mariah Careyes All I Went for Christmas has become

1109
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 6: so big twenty five years ago because you know, at

1110
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 6: the time that she did that, it was considered old

1111
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 6: school to do a Christmas album. You do a Christmas

1112
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 6: album when your careers did that was the sinking at

1113
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 6: that time. Of course, now all kinds of people doing

1114
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 6: Christmas albums because their careers aren't dead. You know, it

1115
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 6: creates a new audience for you.

1116
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, we already got to vote for Donnie Halfway's

1117
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: song is the best Christmas song. I don't know what

1118
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: you fellas feel it's the best Christmas song, but somebody vote,

1119
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: says Donnie Hathaway.

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Speaker 5: You guys agree, it's a great song.

1121
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 6: It's certainly a great story behind the song. You know

1122
01:08:53,680 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 6: the story, right, No, oh, just okay. Donnie had a

1123
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 6: business partner and he was having his office renovated and

1124
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 6: the guy and he was talking, and the guy that

1125
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 6: was doing the renovation was listening, you know, doing the work,

1126
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 6: but listening to Donnie talk to the guy and they

1127
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 6: were talking about he wanted to do a Christmas song.

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 6: And the guy said, my girlfriend writes songs. You you

1129
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 6: should listen to one of her songs. And so Donnie said, okay,

1130
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 6: So he introduced her. Introduced Donnie to his girlfriend. Her

1131
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 6: name was Nadine. That don't remember her last name, but

1132
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 6: she wrote the lyrics for this Christmas and by and

1133
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 6: Donnie created the music, and she was if I if

1134
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 6: I'm not mistaken. She worked for the post office.

1135
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 5: And that song came out.

1136
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 6: It was not an it was not e immediately a hit.

1137
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 6: It really wasn't a massive hit until after he passed away,

1138
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 6: and passed away in seventy nine, I think, But over

1139
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 6: the years it's become something much bigger than it was

1140
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 6: during his lifetime.

1141
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: Wow, what a story will help us out here. So

1142
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: in twenty seven minutes at the Top Down Family talking

1143
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: about the music of the season with Music Store and

1144
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: Bill Carment, she wrote the song. So does she still

1145
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: getting paid on that song now after all these years?

1146
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1147
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 6: Yes, And actually if you google, there have been stories

1148
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 6: on her talking about how much she might have made

1149
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 6: and that type of thing. But yeah, there are definitely

1150
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 6: stories out there on her, and she has gotten paid.

1151
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 6: But you know, that's the only hit song she's ever

1152
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 6: contributed to. And the payment basically comes one time a

1153
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 6: year for that because it's one quarter the ASCAP bm

1154
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 6: I C spack they pay in quarters, and so the

1155
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 6: Christmas music anything in this quarter, you probably get paid

1156
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 6: next July because there's a window. It's like a six

1157
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 6: month delay something like that. But yeah, she gets paid

1158
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 6: for that, all.

1159
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: Right, help us out with the time Silent Night? Do

1160
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: they get paid on that or is that in the

1161
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: public domain?

1162
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 6: Oh no, that's not in the public domain. See, this

1163
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 6: is the thing. A lot of people don't realize any

1164
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 6: song that is in the public domain when you do

1165
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 6: a new arrangement of it. The songwriter, producer, whoever does

1166
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 6: a new copyright on that arrangement. Now, in the case

1167
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 6: of the Temptations, a lot of people don't realize this.

1168
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 6: That's not their first version of Style at Night, the

1169
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 6: one where Melvin's doing the deep baritone and I think

1170
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 6: it's Gerard, Oh gosh, Leonard, Gerard Leonard is doing the

1171
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 6: high high notes. They did a version of that in

1172
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy that Eddie Kendricks things totally different arrangement. Then

1173
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty, when Gerard had well, there was a

1174
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 6: guy in the middle named Damon Harris who took Eddie's place,

1175
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 6: and then Gerard took Damon's place because Damon had gotten

1176
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 6: out of control and got kicked out of the group.

1177
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 6: So they did that new version and Otis Williams worked

1178
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 6: with Gil Askey, who was an arranger, and they came

1179
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 6: up with that new arrangement with Melvin doing that deep baritone,

1180
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 6: Gerrard doing the tenor, and Dennis Edwards doing you know,

1181
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 6: pretty much the main part. And that's only from nineteen

1182
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 6: eighty and just people forgot the one they did ten

1183
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 6: years before that. But that's the one that's stuck, and

1184
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 6: I have to admit that's the better one.

1185
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 5: Of the two.

1186
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, didn't I know that. I can't recall the

1187
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: one before either, So that's one before.

1188
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 6: It's almost like a walk.

1189
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a nice slow paced with Eddie

1190
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: Kendrick's on the lead vocals and the rest of the

1191
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: group is.

1192
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 3: Kind of humming in the background.

1193
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1194
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a nice version.

1195
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: But I've got admit I love the Dennis Edwards and

1196
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: we call him Glenn Leonard though he's from around this area,

1197
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: we call him Glinton.

1198
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if Gerard is his first name or what.

1199
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 5: No, No, that that's just me being wrong. Oh that's

1200
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 5: all that is.

1201
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 3: No, I tht we were just calling him Glenn, but

1202
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 3: I knew it was a g R. Yeah, and he was.

1203
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: He was happy as all get out when that part,

1204
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 3: when that came out.

1205
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 5: And and so a lot of people think that's Eddie.

1206
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 6: They don't realize that's not Eddie, right, you know a

1207
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 6: lot of the younger people.

1208
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm, you know, I thought it was Eddie myself. Actually,

1209
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that was Eddie doing this thing.

1210
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: So that it's a great cover for for Glenn Linard.

1211
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: I remember the name too, Glenn Leonard, uh talk to

1212
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: us about Mariah Carey because her seems to her song

1213
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: seems to be at the top of the charts all

1214
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: the time every Christmas season. How did how did that?

1215
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: Do you know how that came about?

1216
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 15: You know?

1217
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you know what if they're still now with the

1218
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: streaming effect, she's still making the same amount of money

1219
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: that she made when you know, before we had CDs

1220
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: and albums.

1221
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 6: She's making way more money because the song is such

1222
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 6: a catchy song. And it's sort of funny that some

1223
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 6: of the songs they try to create that sixties slavor

1224
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 6: when new artists do. Not that she's a new artist,

1225
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 6: but I'm just saying when they think of Christmas, they

1226
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 6: think of that feel good fifties sixties vibes. Everybody tries

1227
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 6: to make a song like that, and that's what she

1228
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 6: was doing because on that same album, she did a

1229
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 6: remake of a Darlene Love song called All I Want

1230
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 6: for Christmas Is You. But then she came up with

1231
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 6: her own song that had the same kind of slaver

1232
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 6: and that's the one that Columbia Records really pushed and

1233
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 6: it stuck. I have to admit I had that album

1234
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,839
Speaker 6: when it first came out, But every year they have marketed,

1235
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 6: just like every year Capitol Records remarkets not King Cole.

1236
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 6: So this may be a little in the week for

1237
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 6: some listeners. But when your music gets played on the radio,

1238
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 6: Let's say, during a normal week, number one record might

1239
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 6: have two thousand detections on the radio. During Christmas, a

1240
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 6: song like All I Want for Christmas might have ten

1241
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 6: thousand detections on the radio. Many radio stations played it

1242
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 6: ten thousand times versus two thousand times. That's why I

1243
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 6: say you can make so much more money with a

1244
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 6: hit Christmas song. You think about Jose Feliciano Salis Navidad

1245
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 6: or which a lot of black stations play that song.

1246
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twenty seven away from the top of that

1247
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: our family, we're talking about the music of the season.

1248
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: With the music history and Bill Karmada, Bill, what about

1249
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: the Jackson five Christmas album? Stevie is Christmas Aven? They

1250
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: did those Christmas songs before the voice is changed. You know,

1251
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: you listen to them, you can tell the difference with Michael.

1252
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's all the way up there is Stevin

1253
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: the same thing when you hit them out. Your thoughts

1254
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: on those two albums, they're Christmas albums. We lost Bill again.

1255
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Carl, I look over there.

1256
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1257
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 3: Bill has gone to me down them up very quickly.

1258
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: Twenty six minutes away from the top of some technical

1259
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: issues this morning, but we're working out on family and

1260
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: those of you who listen online probably figure that out

1261
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: as well. If you know, anybody does, just reach out

1262
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: to us and tell us that that they can listen

1263
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,839
Speaker 1: at w LB Baltimore dot com. This is some issues

1264
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: with the O L link, so we're working on that

1265
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: to get that fixed for you. Twenty six minutes away

1266
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: from the top, they are with with Bill competents. They

1267
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: mentioned he's a music historian. We're talking around the music

1268
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: of the season. It's a special season, even if you're

1269
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: not into Christianity and all that. So some of you

1270
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: got to some of the music sounds real good. He

1271
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: talked about not King Cole Donny Donny Hathaway song. Somebody

1272
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: voted that as the best Christmas song. Somebody some folks

1273
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: like Nat King Cole. You know they need love King Cole.

1274
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: We get Bill bag Bid.

1275
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1276
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know when you hear Naki go okay

1277
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: it's Christmas, doesn't feel like it's Christmas. You're right, and

1278
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: hear that kid call all these strings things hit you man? Yeah,

1279
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: but you know what that can call Kevin. Listen to

1280
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: his his phrasing, his voice, and he completes every word.

1281
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's so amazing because a lot of

1282
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: things today don't do that. You know a lot of

1283
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: people even speak, don't even every family. Just check it

1284
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: out next you gotta get to get a chance to

1285
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: hear uh that king calls the Christmas on this season.

1286
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: Just listen to the phrase and listen to how he

1287
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: completes every single word, crosses the t's. I mean, it's

1288
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: it's just amazing. It's enunciation as a be Yeah thoughts.

1289
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 6: Another one who's like that is Della Ree. She doesn't

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Speaker 6: have a Christmas song that I know, but she states

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Speaker 6: every word.

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Speaker 1: Right and and and and you it sort of stands out,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like, wow, he completes every every

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Speaker 1: single word. You can hear every letter in every word

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Speaker 1: to that song. That's what's so amazing to me. On

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Speaker 1: that song, you know we played a song showing Gardners

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Speaker 1: Christmas joy. Well, yeah, yeah, can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 6: Bill Well Sherwin is from Trinidad and last year he

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Speaker 6: put out a song just for TikTok, just to say,

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Speaker 6: you know, happy New Year to his fans, and it

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 6: was called Blessing sign Me Here. And the song turned

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Speaker 6: out to be a massive hit. It wasn't even it

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 6: was just a TikTok post. It became he did like

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Speaker 6: a million streams on it in the first week. So

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Speaker 6: he said, I've got to turn this into a song.

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Speaker 6: So he turned it into a song and then the

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Speaker 6: song has since then gotten over two billion TikTok's you

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Speaker 6: fifty million regular.

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Speaker 5: Streams. And so he wanted to do it. He's been

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Speaker 5: out here, he's.

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Speaker 6: Been out here thirty years and never had a hit

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Speaker 6: like this. So he decided to do a Christmas album,

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Speaker 6: uh you know, Caribbean Christmas album. And so the title

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Speaker 6: song is called Christmas Joy and it's just a feel

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Speaker 6: good song. You know, you feel like it might be

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01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 6: you know they say the weather outside side is frightful

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01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 6: or whatever, but it makes you feel warm during what

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01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 6: can be a cold time. And so it's just a

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01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 6: little fun song that he wrote me and it's a

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Speaker 6: whole album of that type of music though.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha Hey, listen, we got to check the newest traffick

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Speaker 1: and we come back though a sign from Christmas. We

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Speaker 1: lost to another artist yesterday and Carl Colton Man once

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Speaker 1: you talk about Carl Carlton and had a couple of

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Speaker 1: hits and he had promised he had stroke issues and

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Speaker 1: he passed away. And we will also talk more about

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Speaker 1: the Christmas music as well. Family, you want to join

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Speaker 1: this conversation with Bill Carpenter, reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we take your phone calls after the news that's next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with

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Speaker 1: us at fifteen minutes away from the top day, are

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Speaker 1: we talking about the music for the season with Bill Compenter.

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Speaker 1: Bill is a music history I've heard him here before.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to the let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morning, we're going to speak with

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Speaker 1: former vice presidential candidate and one of the original founders

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Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter. That will be doctor Melina Abdullah.

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: Before we talk to her, though, we have a conversation

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01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: with Baltimore civil rights activist Carl Snowden. And coming up

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: later this week, we're going to hear from chematologist's brother

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01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: Tony Browner made a physician doctor b also a grea

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01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: Baba Lamobo. Will all be here, So if you are

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01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you keep you read of tuning

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01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: real tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in

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01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL. All right, Bill, before

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Speaker 1: we'll left for the news update, I'll ask you about

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Speaker 1: this passing of Carl Calton. I just wanted to pick

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Speaker 1: your brain about Carl Kalten because I just remember it.

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Speaker 1: She's a bad mammajama hits.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, he actually had quite a few hits. They

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01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 6: just people just don't remember them because radio stations tend

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01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 6: to pick the hit that they're going to keep playing

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 6: sometimes everybody, you know, Like he had a call I

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01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 6: Won't let that Chunk Break your Heart, you know, just.

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Speaker 5: A wild title.

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Speaker 6: But uh, but he also had a big song called

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 6: ever Last of Love. But what's interesting to me about

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01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 6: him is, uh, he got started around the same time

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01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 6: as Stevie Wonder and he's from Detroit. So when he

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Speaker 6: first hit the scene, he was known as Little Carl

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 6: Carlton and he just he just kept with it into

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Speaker 6: his adult years and then he really hit paid her.

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Speaker 6: When you remember Leon Haywood, the producer, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: he produced She's a Bad Well, he wrote She's a

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Speaker 6: Bad Mamma Jama. But guess guess who played keyboards on

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Speaker 6: the George Duke and whose background vocals James Ingram.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow.

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Speaker 6: So that song had a lot of talent around it

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Speaker 6: and that really set him up. It was number one

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Speaker 6: for a couple of weeks on the R and B charts,

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Speaker 6: and it really and actually I got to meet him.

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Speaker 6: I was on tour well, I mean I was Candy

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Speaker 6: State and was on a tour with him about two

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Speaker 6: thousand and eight in England, and I met Carl and

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Speaker 6: his wife and he was a character. He was a jokester,

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Speaker 6: he was hilarious. Billy Paul was on that tour too,

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Speaker 6: and Billy Paul used to see him. They used to

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Speaker 6: have this bet because you know, Carl had gotten a

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01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 6: little out of shape, but he would do these splits

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Speaker 6: and she's a bad Mamma Jama. And so Billy would

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01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 6: be making bets with some of the other singers that

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Speaker 6: he won't be able to get back up tonight. And

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Speaker 6: there's one particular night he went down and he couldn't get.

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Speaker 5: Back up, and it was just hilarious.

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Speaker 6: But he played it off. He made a joke of it.

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Speaker 6: Great sense of humor, you know, really nice guy. It's

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Speaker 6: sad that he you know, he had that stroke a

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Speaker 6: few years ago and didn't really recover from it. But

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Speaker 6: really fun person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carl Colton was seventy two and let me just

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Speaker 1: share a game with the family.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: And the other talk show we did in La, they

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Speaker 1: always tell us play a song to reflect the guests

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Speaker 1: that we had on the show because they were because

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Speaker 1: we're rolling into the music the morning show, and they

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Speaker 1: wanted to keep the audience for the morning show and

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Speaker 1: you know something they figured their listeners would stick around for.

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Speaker 1: And so She's a bad Mamma jam That was a

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Speaker 1: maximum water song. That was the anthem we have. Yeah,

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: yes she is. And also Claude and its will showing

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Speaker 1: me the way, the Jackson's and Williams Yeah armshean Williamson

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Speaker 1: check us out, uh Kevin and Bill Armstrong. Williams song

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Speaker 1: was I'm your Puppet James and body.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and what we do is let the audience,

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Speaker 1: you know, say what what kind of what kind of song?

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Speaker 1: How do you describe this guest? What do you think

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Speaker 1: they've come up with a songnce we fish about and

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Speaker 1: play them at the end of the program. You know

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Speaker 1: it was it was hilarious, but it was all we thought.

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Speaker 1: It was fun. There's a way to keep that audience

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Speaker 1: over into the morning because it helped Bill the Morning

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Speaker 1: show them and that was what I was trying to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's the technique we used. Ten away for the time.

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Speaker 5: Be gus.

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Speaker 1: The folks want to talk to you. Bill Sheriff is

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Speaker 1: calling us from Baltimore. She's online too, Grand Rising Sherry

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Speaker 1: On with Bill Carpenter.

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Speaker 16: I definitely enjoy your program so much, Curl, especially when

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Speaker 16: you discuss music, because I have a lot of Original

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Speaker 16: forty five in the fifties and sixties. And when you

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Speaker 16: mentioned one of your guests mentioned Della Resee, I remember

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Speaker 16: that song she said, don't you know I'm falling in

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Speaker 16: love with you? She does enunciate her words just like that,

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Speaker 16: King Coles, I definitely agree with that.

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Speaker 5: That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 6: Della was she was really she's really underrated. She became

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Speaker 6: so popular as an actress. A lot of people forgot

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Speaker 6: that she was a really great singer for sure.

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Speaker 16: But this program is just delightful whenever you discuss music

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Speaker 16: and your other guests.

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Speaker 8: I just love your station.

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Speaker 6: I've made I moved back to Baltimore.

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Speaker 16: I used to live up towards your way. I understand

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01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 16: you're in Silver Spring, but I'm back living in Charms

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Speaker 16: City and loving.

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Speaker 6: It all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Harry, thanks your call.

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01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 4: You're welcome an away from top A.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in Baltimore. Charles is calling this he's online

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01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: three Grand Rise and Charles, you' only Bill Comver there?

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Speaker 12: Good morning. It said, Yes, I'm hoping somebody could tell

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01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 12: me how to market and cover a wonderful album that

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01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 12: came from Trinidad. The author was the Reverend Arnold Harrison,

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01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 12: and that sung by Claudine George and Donald Humphrey. Unfortunately,

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01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 12: although gospel apparently is the one genre of music that's

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 12: still making money, people tend to those albums tend to

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01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 12: be popular and get lots of hits.

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01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 5: So the right of the.

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 12: Album is there. We've inherited the rights to it and

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01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 12: would like to find some American person to cover it.

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01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 12: American public didn't want to hear the Trinity Accents and

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01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 12: sunned it. But it's a great album with twelve original tunes,

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Speaker 12: lyrics and composed by lyricists by Arnold Harrison Bill.

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01:27:58,720 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 5: Than you talking me about.

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01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, to promote that album or to do new versions

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01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 6: of the same music, Well, there's one.

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Speaker 12: In the box with twelve dunes in it that didn't sell.

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Speaker 5: You know, we.

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Speaker 12: Freshed thousands of discs and distributed them, but it didn't

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01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 12: get much airplay even locally, and that we'd like somebody

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Speaker 12: to cover it because they will be a super hits.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, if there's a certain artist that you

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01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 6: think it sounds good, you would just try to reach

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Speaker 6: out to whoever their management is and pitch it to them.

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Speaker 6: That's how that works, that's you know. I remember there's

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Speaker 6: a man named Paul Jabbara who was a struggling songwriter

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Speaker 6: and he had this song he wanted Donna Summer to make,

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Speaker 6: and he couldn't get any attention from her record label,

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01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 6: her management, and he followed her. She was somewhere and

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Speaker 6: he followed her to the bathroom, and of course I

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Speaker 6: don't recommend this today, but he blocked her in the

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Speaker 6: bathroom and said I won't let you out until you

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Speaker 6: hear my song. So she listened to it and she

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01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 6: loved it. And it's called Last Dance. And if I'm

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Speaker 6: not mistaken, the song won an Oscar because it was

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01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 6: in the movie Thank God It's Friday. Wow. That's the

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Speaker 6: extremes you have to go to to get established artists

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Speaker 6: to hear your music.

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01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 12: Is there an online marketplace where some where a way

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01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 12: to market this.

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01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about that. There is something that's on

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01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 6: the tip of my memory, not my tongue. United Masters, Google,

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01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 6: United Masters. I think they do something similar to what

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Speaker 6: you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump in and ask this question else and Charles,

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Speaker 1: I thank you for your call. Bill's going to give

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Speaker 1: his information because you guys seem to know you can

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01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: talk about this after, but because it's it seems like

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01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: a different direction. But let me ask you this, Bill,

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Speaker 1: what Charles is talking about about as gap after? Those

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01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: those companies, those licensing companies are all it's all music

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01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: all over the world license. How do you you know

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01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: if you could put out a record, how does that

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01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: process work?

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Speaker 6: Well? You you you sign up as a songwriter or

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Speaker 6: writer or a publisher, like if you don't write songs,

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01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 6: but you just published them. You would sign up and

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01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 6: you register your songs and ASKAP BM, my CE SEC.

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01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 6: They they they collect your royalties from all over the world.

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Speaker 6: And just like in each country has their own publishing,

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01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 6: like I know in South Africa, No, no, in France

1506
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 6: it's called sat SAM, it's s a CE.

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01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 5: Let's see s A C E m uh.

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01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 6: South Africa has its own publishing. It's called a Performing

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01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 6: Rights Organization. And in Britain it's pr O. I mean

1510
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 6: PRS PRS. It stands for something. I don't remember exactly

1511
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 6: what it stands for, but it's PRS.

1512
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 5: So that's what you would do.

1513
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 6: And they're books on this. There's a book called Everything

1514
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 6: You Need to Know About Music has been out probably

1515
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 6: forty years and they upgraded every few years to be current.

1516
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 6: Anyone who wants to be an entrepreneur in music and

1517
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 6: do it there themselves. All they need is that book

1518
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 6: will tell them where they need to register things, how

1519
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 6: you need to get an isr C code. You know,

1520
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 6: every song that gets played on the radio, like She's

1521
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 6: a Bad Mamajama, the Christmas song, there's the same called

1522
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 6: the is r C code, which is like the song's

1523
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 6: social Security code. That's how you ensure the writer in

1524
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 6: the record label get paid by attaching that is art

1525
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 6: sea code to the song. Everyone has its own specific one,

1526
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 6: just like all of us have our own social Security number.

1527
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: All right, I tell you, well, we come from a breaker.

1528
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I check the traffic and weather in our different cities,

1529
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: and we've got a tweet question for you. But also

1530
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: Kevin has a song that you send it. Brian Andrews Wilson,

1531
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Are you lonely tonight?

1532
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1533
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Kevin, can you play that? Take us to the break

1534
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: with that song?

1535
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 3: All I got is Sherwan Gardner and Kandy State.

1536
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, we didn't get that one. Okay, all right,

1537
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It's too late now, we ran

1538
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: out of time. But there's a question for you, Bill, Bill,

1539
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: this grand rising to you and your guests. Ask your

1540
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: guest about the whispers Christmas music was a success. And

1541
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond when we get back, because I

1542
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: mentioned we got to step aside and get caught up

1543
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: with the traffic and weather in that different cities. Family,

1544
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: you want to join this conversation with Bill Carmerdon. We're

1545
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: talking about the music and the history of music, especially

1546
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: the music of the season. Reach out to us at

1547
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

1548
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and we're taking phone calls. After the traffic and weather

1549
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the momentary, we're going to speak with Carl Snowden, Carl Stons,

1550
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the civil rights activist in Baltimore, and we're going to

1551
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: talk about the silence, this sort of deafening from the

1552
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: major civil rights groups when when it when it concerns

1553
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: these attacks from Donald Trump, they've been really silent. But

1554
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: we're so going to finish up with Bill talk about

1555
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: the music that we hear in the music of the season,

1556
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: because interesting enough, you know, we people are the same

1557
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: which song Christmas song? And they like the best and

1558
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: some said the Tempts, and some of course have said

1559
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: nat can call song, and I guess it depends on

1560
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: what generation you are. You know, where would you know?

1561
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Because for me, like I like I do like, I

1562
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: like the Tempts, I like the early Jackson's and Steve's

1563
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: early songs because they were younger and just hear there

1564
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: were children ing these songs. So all of that was interesting.

1565
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: But Bill, your question, the question the tweeters questions about

1566
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the Whispers.

1567
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1568
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 6: The Whispers have done two Christmas albums, and I think

1569
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:21,919
Speaker 6: her question.

1570
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 5: Was did they perform well?

1571
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1572
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 6: In fact, I actually work with the Whispers now, and

1573
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 6: their version of Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas did

1574
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 6: two hundred thousand streams last week. That's how we judged things.

1575
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 6: Since people don't buy a physical product that much. It's

1576
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 6: streaming very well. The old Christmas music they have a

1577
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 6: version of this Christmas you know, the Donnie Hasaway song.

1578
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 6: They have their version of that that does very well.

1579
01:34:54,479 --> 01:35:01,879
Speaker 5: So they do very well. I finish all year round myself.

1580
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: I want to talk about yeah, the emotions.

1581
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the emotions. What did the Lonely do with Christmas?

1582
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 6: H Carlo Thomas, Gee Wizards Christmas, Isaac Hayes, Winter Snow.

1583
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 5: I like all of that stuff.

1584
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 6: I listened to it in July when it's ninety degrees.

1585
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: I ask you this about the streaming thing, though, how

1586
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: accurate is that? Bill?

1587
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 8: Well?

1588
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 6: Streaming is very accurate because it's.

1589
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 5: Now.

1590
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 6: What sometimes isn't accurate is is YouTube because you can

1591
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 6: manipulate that. But you can't manipulate Apple and Amazon because

1592
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 6: they're not gonna let you moipu manipulate them and make

1593
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 6: them pay royalties they don't want to pay. So it

1594
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 6: is a very exact thing when it comes to streaming

1595
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 6: through the Apple Music, the Amazon, Amazon Music, Pandora, all

1596
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 6: those titles, all those sites are very they they have

1597
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 6: safeguards to make sure people aren't cheating.

1598
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: But what about if you're you're somewhere, you know, Thailand

1599
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: or somewhere in Australia or somewhere.

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01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 6: All that count All that counts.

1601
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: But how do they how that's my question. How do

1602
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: they know that some guy in Bangkok is playing your

1603
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: song and is streaming it? How do they? How do

1604
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: they know?

1605
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 6: Because all of these companies have headquarters in those countries.

1606
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 6: These are international companies, they're not you. Apple is probably

1607
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 6: the only Apple and Amazon are probably the only ones

1608
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 6: that are in the US. Spotify is a Swedish company. Uh,

1609
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,520
Speaker 6: most of these companies have they're set up all overseas

1610
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 6: to because there are people in those countries subscribing to

1611
01:36:58,840 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 6: the service.

1612
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,879
Speaker 1: And that was my question, and I think you addressed

1613
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: this earlier. So you have to once you make a record,

1614
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: you've got to subscribe to one of to one of

1615
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 1: these publishing companies.

1616
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's it's considered. You register your company with

1617
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 6: them so that you know, and they have your payment,

1618
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 6: your ach payment information and all this stuff, so they

1619
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 6: send they don't even send a check anymore. The money

1620
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 6: goes directly into your account.

1621
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's really really sick.

1622
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 6: You know, when we first started talking, I had mentioned

1623
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 6: Fanta Baby. You know, Eartha Kit passed some years ago,

1624
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 6: but I'm sure her family, her daughter Kit is getting

1625
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 6: her royalties from that song, which is such a classic.

1626
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 6: But when it first came out, it was controversial because

1627
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,440
Speaker 6: think about what she's saying. She's talking about saying she's

1628
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 6: using her sensuality, her sexuality to get a sable coat,

1629
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 6: to get a yacht and all these things.

1630
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 5: And the song got.

1631
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 6: Banned in southern states because it seemed like that's not

1632
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 6: the way a woman shit talk, and certainly not a

1633
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 6: black woman in the nineteen fifties, you know. But then

1634
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 6: look at how the song is evolved, you know, all

1635
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 6: these younger artists covering the song, like the caller who

1636
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 6: wanted someone to cover the.

1637
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 5: Caribbean music he has.

1638
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 6: It just shows you how things evolve and change. What

1639
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 6: was once considered controversial is now considered a Christmas classic.

1640
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me ask you this though, how about the

1641
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: hip hop generation. Do we have a lot of hip

1642
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: hop Christmas songs? Or did they collide with that? I

1643
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: guess being tough, there are few.

1644
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 15: There are few.

1645
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean they're just tough Christmas songs. I

1646
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 6: don't remember the title, but I remember Curtis blue Cat one.

1647
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 5: That I used to like.

1648
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 6: I just can't think of the title right now. But

1649
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 6: most of the major what they usually do is they'll

1650
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 6: do a compilation where whoever the artist is does one track,

1651
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 6: but they might not have enough to do a whole

1652
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 6: album by themselves. But I have seen some hip hop

1653
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 6: from major artists. I don't want to call them out

1654
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 6: because I haven't thought about it in a while, but

1655
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 6: it is out there. I know Curtis blow Is one,

1656
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 6: but I think I think.

1657
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

1658
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: The later this, you know the gangster rappers does, is

1659
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: that is that that messure the persona to do a

1660
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Christmas album?

1661
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 6: No, because if they if they do it, they're going

1662
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:51,839
Speaker 6: to do it their way. They're going to celebrate, celebrate

1663
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 6: it from the angle that looks cool, you know, like

1664
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 6: you know I stole a Christmas tree, you know whatever,

1665
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 6: whatever whatever their philosophy.

1666
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, right, Yeah, I'll say that question for Professor

1667
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Griff when he comes up. Thank you, Bill, Thank you

1668
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: for share. You'll always learn a lot.

1669
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 12: Man.

1670
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: You haven't talking about music, so thank you for sharing

1671
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts with us this morning.

1672
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me.

1673
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,759
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's Bill Comedy's a music historian. Always

1674
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: to go to Bill when it comes to music, of

1675
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: the history of music. He goes deep in the crates

1676
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: for us eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

1677
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. You're gonna eat this number. For our

1678
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: next guest, Hampson be Karl Snowden. He's an activist, a

1679
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: civil rights averrest in Baltimore. Karl Snowden, Grand Rising, Welcome

1680
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:36,799
Speaker 1: back to the program.

1681
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 6: Good morning, brother, how are you this morning.

1682
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man, I'm still learning. I just learned

1683
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 1: a whole lot from from Bill Comray about the music business,

1684
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: so I hope to learn some more stuff from you

1685
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: this morning.

1686
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 5: Thank you, sir.

1687
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about it because there's been a

1688
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: notable silence from the major civil rights group in response

1689
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: to what's going on with Donald Trump and the Trump administration.

1690
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 1: We'll being attacked left right, and it seems they've been quiet.

1691
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 1: Is this something you've observed as well?

1692
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 5: Yes to quiet.

1693
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 9: In fact, last week, Donald Trump announced that there will

1694
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 9: be no more free emissions to national parks on the

1695
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 9: birthday of Martin Luther King Junior or June tenth. He

1696
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 9: referred to both of those holidays as quote made up days.

1697
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,799
Speaker 9: And I've been surprised at the lack of response nationally

1698
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 9: and locally to those kind of comments by Trump. Anyone

1699
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 9: who knows anything about Junie Kingson, know anything about Martin

1700
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 9: Luther King Jr.

1701
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,719
Speaker 6: Know that those are not made up holidays, the holidays

1702
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 6: that came.

1703
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 5: As a result of an incredible struggle on the part.

1704
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 9: Of black people to be recognized for the contributions they've

1705
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 9: made not only to America but to the world. So

1706
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 9: it was very disappointing to see how congression of black

1707
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 9: hawker is not out on the forefront, really raising sand

1708
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 9: But these comments that Trump has made, and the other

1709
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 9: actions that Trump has done in here is allies that

1710
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 9: really raised some very serious questions as to whether we

1711
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 9: frankly know what time it is. I'm often wondering aloud,

1712
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 9: do people really understand where we are in twenty twenty five.

1713
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 9: Do they really understand the current status that we as

1714
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 9: a people are facing. And I think in the most

1715
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 9: part there says no. I don't think people really understood

1716
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 9: what happened in the presidential election of twenty twenty four.

1717
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 9: And it's important for us to have people understand what

1718
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 9: happened last year and what does it mean for the future.

1719
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I meany just checking in a twelve after the top

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Speaker 1: of their cars known as a guest. He's a civil

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Speaker 1: rights activist in Baltimore, and like most of us, is

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Speaker 1: just feared. Where's our civil rights groups? Why are they

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Speaker 1: saying anything? We've been under attack since we got elected?

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Speaker 1: A week after week? Is something about us that he

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Speaker 1: goes after? And you mentioned the closing of those parks,

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Speaker 1: and yet still the part will building on his birthday

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Speaker 1: and we haven't heard any of our major civil rights

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Speaker 1: groups respond in the congression bank Calucus hasn't responded. A politicians,

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Speaker 1: so we know that we know what it means to

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Speaker 1: be a politician, but our civil rights groups, so I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering, why do you think that they've been so silent?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 9: I think a number of things. One I really do

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Speaker 9: think that people still have not quite figured out what

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Speaker 9: happened last year in twenty twenty four in terms of

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Speaker 9: the presidential election, And I think that people are misreading

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Speaker 9: where we are. I think people think this is quote

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Speaker 9: a normal election. There's nothing normal but twenty twenty four

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Speaker 9: at all. In fact, if you were to ask people

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Speaker 9: listening to this program the following question, name the most

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Speaker 9: revered African American person you know in history, living or dead.

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Speaker 9: Somebody might say it's Martin Luther King Jr. Somebody else

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Speaker 9: may say it's Barack Obama, somebody may say it's Mayangelo,

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Speaker 9: whoever they consider the most revered in American history. And

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Speaker 9: then you follow that up with this question. If Martin

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Speaker 9: Luther King Jr. Was running for president in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 9: had been convicted of thirty four felons, had been found

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Speaker 9: liable for sexually assaulting a white woman, had been determined

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Speaker 9: to have told more than ten thousand lives, could have

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Speaker 9: been elected president of the United States, and the court.

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Speaker 6: Answer would be no.

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Speaker 9: In fact, if you ask African Americans listening to this program,

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Speaker 9: they cannot think of a single African American living or dead,

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Speaker 9: who if were faced with the same political baggage that

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Speaker 9: Trump was faced with in twenty twenty four, that they

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Speaker 9: could have won an election. And that tells us something

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Speaker 9: very clearly where we are most people on the way

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Speaker 9: of the fact that when Donald Tromp ran for president

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Speaker 9: in twenty sixteen, he got fifty four percent of all

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Speaker 9: white women who voted. In twenty twenty four, when he

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Speaker 9: ran against Vice President Harris, he got sixty percent of

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Speaker 9: all white women voting. So I think it's important for

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Speaker 9: people just to understand what time it is in America,

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Speaker 9: particularly it relates to people of in particular African Americans, and.

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Speaker 1: We have how do you let me jump in and

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Speaker 1: ask you this, Carl, how do you read that those

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Speaker 1: stats that you shared with us at fourteen after the

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Speaker 1: top there is this showing that American used sixty percent.

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Speaker 1: Are they supporting Donald Trump because they believe in what

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Speaker 1: he's saying and what he does or is it sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of them just straight out racist?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I think Donald Trump, when it's all sitting done, When women,

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Speaker 9: particularly white women, went into the ballot box, they have

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Speaker 9: a choice.

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Speaker 6: They could vote for.

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Speaker 9: A woman with one endorsement of the AKA, or they

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Speaker 9: could one or they could support a man who got

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Speaker 9: the endorsement of the KKK. People who voted was clear

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Speaker 9: they understood what they were voting for. If they was

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Speaker 9: very clear when Donald Trump made it absolutely clear that

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Speaker 9: if he was elected to public office what he would do,

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Speaker 9: and he made it clear that he would move to

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Speaker 9: dismantle the progress that we've made over the last fifty years.

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Speaker 9: And that's why I'm so disappointed not seeing the civil

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Speaker 9: rights organizations respond in the way we should be responding.

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Speaker 9: In fact, no King's movement across this country, which I

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Speaker 9: applaud if you look at that, it was made up

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Speaker 9: mostly majority of white people responding to thumping his nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Look sixteen other top edword take a show break when

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Speaker 1: we come back, though, let me ask you this question, though, Bill,

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Speaker 1: what about the black folks, the black Trump says, the

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Speaker 1: black maga people who support Donald Trump, and they're still

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Speaker 1: supporting today even after what he's done, what he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to do. And some people say, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't believe me. I thought he was good, he

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Speaker 1: was good for you know, he's good for business. I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, he turned the economy around. All of that

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened. All the lies, but they are still supporting

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So I'll let you respond to that when

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Speaker 1: we get back. Family YouTube can join our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Carl Snowone is the civil rights actress in Baltimore City.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to join? You just reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six will take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for stumm You're week with us. Are twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: after tough of the Hoyt with the civil rights activist

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Speaker 1: Carl Snowden from Baltimore, and Carl is saying that he's

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Speaker 1: sort of shocked or concerned that all the things that

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Speaker 1: the attacks that we've been on it since Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: took office and we've seen no response. So it's just

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing from civil rights groups, even the Congression Black Caucus,

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Speaker 1: the attack that we're going on to. So my question

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Speaker 1: to you, though, Carl, what about the black maggot? What

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Speaker 1: about them? What are they thinking?

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Speaker 5: Said?

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Speaker 9: When I can put it well, Carl, I think if

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Speaker 9: anyone who takes a moment and review history, there's always

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Speaker 9: been an element in our community. It's just this is

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Speaker 9: not unusual, it's not new. I make the jokingly say

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Speaker 9: to people all the time that mental illness is not

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Speaker 9: restricted to any one group or one race at all.

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Speaker 9: And so some of the stuff we see that's going

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Speaker 9: on with certain black people who say they support.

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Speaker 6: Trump, We're gonna understand.

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Speaker 9: Mercenaries come in all kinds of colors. And the truth

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Speaker 9: of the matter is that some of those people, particularly

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Speaker 9: those who do the trolling on Facebook on social media,

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Speaker 9: they're being paid. They're no different than any other mercenary.

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Speaker 9: Mercenaries have no alliances to a nation, to a people.

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Speaker 9: It's all about money for them. And if you look

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Speaker 9: at the types of people that Trump has been able

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Speaker 9: to pull into his spear, it's people who are focused

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Speaker 9: on making money for themselves. In the case of Lot

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Speaker 9: the Wayne, he got a pardon by President Trump. And

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Speaker 9: there's no question in my mind why Lil Wayne, for example,

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Speaker 9: would be saying favorable things about Trump. He's out because

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01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,759
Speaker 9: Trump pardoned him and the other people in that sphere

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01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 9: who frankly are being benefited from being part of the

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Speaker 9: Trump movement in terms of getting paid.

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Speaker 6: And this is not unusual if one reads history and

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Speaker 6: one follows history, whether it was Malcolm X or Martin

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Speaker 6: Luther King Jenior or any other making leader many of

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01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 6: the worst enemies for people of color who were paid

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01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 6: to do certain things and they did what they did.

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Speaker 6: In fact, one of the things we're doing here in

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Speaker 6: Maryland that your listeners may be interested in, we're building

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Speaker 6: the first Malcolm X memorial in the state capital in

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Speaker 6: the city of Annapolis, Maryland, and it's going to honor

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Speaker 6: Malcolm X. And it's going to have a time capsule

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Speaker 6: in it, and Carl this is what really people have

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Speaker 6: found to be just interesting. The time capsule will have

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Speaker 6: responses from elected officials, clergy, civil rights leaders, professionals of

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Speaker 6: every imagination, and in this time capsule will be a

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Speaker 6: question that we're asking people to respond to fifty years

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Speaker 6: from now, in twenty twenty, in twenty seventy six, what

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Speaker 6: do you think race relations will be like in America?

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Speaker 6: And people are responding to that. And we're going to

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Speaker 6: have this memorial for Malcolm X built next year, twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty six, on his birthday, we're going unveil it because

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Speaker 6: it's important that people remember what Malcolm X kept telling

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Speaker 6: us over and over and over again, that no one

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Speaker 6: will save us from us but us. We have to

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Speaker 6: be the ones to be in the vanguard of the

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Speaker 6: social justice movement. And for people who think that we've

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Speaker 6: already arrived, there's no need for any further struggle. Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump reminds us on a daily basis, those of you

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01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 6: think that because you've got money, because you got a position,

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Speaker 6: that somehow you made it. This man is insulted multi

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Speaker 6: millionaires who happened to be African Americans, African American people

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Speaker 6: of every strike and African nations. He said the horrible things,

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Speaker 6: but African nations. And his response has been what are

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Speaker 6: you going to do about it? And unfortunately, too many

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Speaker 6: of our leadership is not responding.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, because somebody tweeted and wanted to know,

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Speaker 1: just tweet it says, is it too late for submissions

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Speaker 1: to the Malcolm X time capsule.

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Speaker 9: I'm glad they ask no. The last time at the

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Speaker 9: end of the month is summer thirty first is the

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Speaker 9: last time to do it. And I should say this

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Speaker 9: very quickly. One if you respond to the question what

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Speaker 9: race relations should will be like in twenty seventy six,

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Speaker 9: there is no.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh hope. We have a lost Carl Snowden seems

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01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: like it seems like his line dropped. Kevin, see if

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Speaker 1: you can getting back for us, As he just told you, folks,

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Speaker 1: he's got a time capsule he set up for a brother, Malcolm,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to discuss that on his birthday. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of celebrations coming too, Malcolm's one hundredth birthday

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Speaker 1: and the time capsule, he says, the question about race

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Speaker 1: relations fifty years from now, So what do you think

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Speaker 1: racilations are going to be? When he comes back, he'll

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Speaker 1: tell us how you can make your submission of that,

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Speaker 1: because it's going to be interesting how fifty years or

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Speaker 1: even seventy five years now. I always think about what

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Speaker 1: history is going to say about this particular period of

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01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 1: time that we lived in. What are they going to

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01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 1: say that we did or did not?

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Speaker 15: Do?

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Speaker 1: You know talking about that we dropped the baton? Are

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01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 1: those people in my age group, the baby boomers, dropped

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01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: the baton? That's why our young people are so confused

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01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 1: these days. I wonder what they're going to say to

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01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, what people are going to have they're going

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01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 1: to pass judgment. Did you know, just like many of

1907
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: us passing judgment on the civil rights era? And people said, okay,

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Speaker 1: he's back. So Carl again, I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, December thirty first is the absolute last time

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Speaker 9: to submit your response. And as we're about to say,

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Speaker 9: the response can be as long or as short as

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Speaker 9: you wanted to be. Now, there's three things that anybody

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01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 9: who's doing this must do. Number One, in addition to

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Speaker 9: giving your response, you must designate someone fifty years from

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Speaker 9: now who you will have read your response, because this time,

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01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 9: Captain is going to be opened in twenty seventy six.

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Speaker 9: So in my case, I've got a great granddaughter who

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Speaker 9: have designated, and she'll be reading my response. So when

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01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 9: people choose to respond to the question, they've got to

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01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 9: also designate somebody fifty years from now who they believe

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01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 9: will be around to read their response. The other thing

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Speaker 9: is the response must be sealed, and you cannot tell anyone,

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01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 9: including the person you designated to read your response, what

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01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 9: your response is. Literally, fifty years from now, people of

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01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 9: every racial background that you can imagine, every profession will

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01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 9: be given their perspective on where they think America will

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Speaker 9: be in twenty seventy six. And that's an very important

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Speaker 9: year because for those who do not know it it

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Speaker 9: will mark the three hundredth anniversary of the founding of

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Speaker 9: this nation. And I think it's fair to say for

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Speaker 9: people listening that from the beginning of time, from the

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Speaker 9: beginning of the founding of this nation in seventeen seventy

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Speaker 9: six to the present time, two hundred and fifty years later,

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Speaker 9: race relations have been a point, has been a part

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Speaker 9: of America's original sin. And the question is fifty years

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Speaker 9: from there, well, our children, now, grandchildren, are great children,

1937
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Speaker 9: great grandchildren be doing better than we are now. And

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Speaker 9: that's what we want people to respond to.

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Speaker 1: You know, I often talk about this at twenty at

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Speaker 1: after the top they are Carl, But my thing is

1941
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Speaker 1: what's history going to say about this particular time and

1942
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Speaker 1: period that we're going through right now? What are they

1943
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Speaker 1: going to write about us? And when your line dropt

1944
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Speaker 1: was thinking about how people talk about the Civil Rights Group,

1945
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Speaker 1: how they was, you know, they went for integration when

1946
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Speaker 1: they should have gone for independence, because that was you know,

1947
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Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback. They did the best they could do

1948
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Speaker 1: with what they had at that particular point. What are

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Speaker 1: they going to say about us? So we did and

1950
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Speaker 1: all this this that Donald Trump is putting us through

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Speaker 1: and like you said, no response with your thoughts.

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Speaker 9: Well, let me just say this, and this is across

1953
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Speaker 9: the country. Those of us who live in Maryland are

1954
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Speaker 9: in a particularly unique situation with only state in the

1955
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Speaker 9: nation that has a black governor. We have a black

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Speaker 9: Attorney general, with a black treasurer to Speaker of the

1957
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Speaker 9: Houses black. We have the largest legislative black caucaus in

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Speaker 9: the country. And so it's going to be fair he

1959
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Speaker 9: in Maryland for people to ask the question, not fifty

1960
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Speaker 9: years from now, but a decade from now, what difference

1961
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Speaker 9: did it make? Fortunately, I think we're going to be

1962
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Speaker 9: in a position to show that it did make a difference.

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Speaker 9: Across the nation.

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Speaker 6: We're the largest legislative black caucaus in the history of

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Speaker 6: the country. The fact of the matter is that, again

1966
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Speaker 6: the question will be with the political power that we have, well,

1967
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Speaker 6: we have used it wisely. Those who listening to this

1968
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Speaker 6: program is particularly those who knew as I did, Marion

1969
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Speaker 6: Barry knew that he was an incredible mayor, did an

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Speaker 6: incredible thing in Washington, d c. There's the question is

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Speaker 6: why can't we see that being replicated all over the country.

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Speaker 6: We have people of color in very strategic positions across

1973
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Speaker 6: this country, and yet for a host of reasons, I

1974
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 6: don't think we're responding the word we should be responding.

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Speaker 6: I think of the great Malcolm X, and I know

1976
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Speaker 6: what Malcolm X would be doing in this day in

1977
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Speaker 6: time if he was here physically, I know what he'd

1978
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Speaker 6: be telling us to do as a people. And I

1979
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 6: just think it's noun as the time to encourage people

1980
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Speaker 6: to organize, energize, and mobilize people as who get ready

1981
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 6: for twenty twenty six their midterm elections, we have an

1982
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Speaker 6: incredible opportunity to send the measures to the world, and

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Speaker 6: I hope we take advantage of next year of elections.

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Speaker 1: Thirty many said that's off. That would call snorda as

1985
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Speaker 1: a civil rights activist in Baltimore discussing the silence of

1986
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Speaker 1: some of our civil rights players and groups, including throwing

1987
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Speaker 1: the Congression of Black Caucus and all the injustices, all

1988
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Speaker 1: of the rollbacks that we're seen by the Trump administration.

1989
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Carl, because you mentioned brother Malcolm,

1990
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Speaker 1: and he also mentioned Marion Barry. Do we have any leaders?

1991
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Speaker 1: Do we have any persons who's writing point for us

1992
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Speaker 1: these days? Jesse is sadly say, is incapacitating now it

1993
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Speaker 1: was at one time considered a leader. But who do

1994
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Speaker 1: we have out in front who's speaking about our issues.

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Speaker 9: Actually, we're really fortunate because around the country there are

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Speaker 9: men and women who are doing some amazing things. I

1997
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Speaker 9: happen to like the young brother down in Memphis, Tennessee.

1998
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Speaker 9: His name is Justin Pearson, who's now going to be

1999
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Speaker 9: running for a congressional seat. He's young, he's upcoming, he's bright,

2000
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Speaker 9: he's articulate, he understands where we're going. I even respect

2001
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Speaker 9: Jasmine Crockett, who's running an uphill batter in Texas, but

2002
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 9: her race is for the Senate in Texas. Again is

2003
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Speaker 9: pointing out the inconsistencies of a democracy that we have,

2004
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Speaker 9: and she's making it very clear that what we see

2005
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 9: pray in practice here in America is not democracy but hypocrisy.

2006
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 9: We see a president of the United States not going

2007
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Speaker 9: to emphasize it. He's a convicted felon thirty four felons.

2008
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Speaker 9: He was convicted of and he just gave pardons. Is

2009
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Speaker 9: some of the most incredible drug dealers in this country,

2010
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 9: people who've been smuggling drugs into the country. People have

2011
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 9: caused all kinds of harm and yet there's not been

2012
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 9: a peep nationally. But these pardons.

2013
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Speaker 6: He is actually literally, if you've got the money, you

2014
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Speaker 6: can get a pardon. And we're going to see some

2015
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Speaker 6: people who are very famous and apparently in prison now

2016
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Speaker 6: will be getting out. But they won't be getting out

2017
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Speaker 6: based on nerd. They'll beginning based on the fact that

2018
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Speaker 6: they will pay the Donald Trump a bribery in exchange

2019
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 6: for being released from prison. And if that doesn't tell

2020
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Speaker 6: us where we are in America, nothing else will, you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean to share with it. As you mentioned Jasmine Crockett,

2022
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned she's and the Senate race, well,

2023
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 1: San Antonio Express News did a poll and she's She

2024
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,840
Speaker 1: has an eight point leader over the state represented from

2025
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Austin in this poll. So she's jumped out into a

2026
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Speaker 1: lead and it's probably because she has more name recognition, yeah,

2027
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: than the other candidates. So they won't get down to

2028
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 1: they'll get down to the nitty gritty next year early

2029
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Speaker 1: when the campaign starts to hit the road. But again

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Speaker 1: the question is that you know, and we've got some

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Speaker 1: folks wont told you. But the question for you, Carl,

2032
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Speaker 1: do you think we don't have a You mentioned a

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01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 1: couple of leaders, but we don't have the firebrand leaders.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the leaders that we had. It doesn't

2035
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Speaker 1: matter what you care about Jesse Jackson, Reven Jesse Jackson,

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Speaker 1: he was at least he was out there, he was

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Speaker 1: doing things, and he stood up and you know, whether

2038
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Speaker 1: you like him or not, he was fighting for us.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that kind of character in anyone

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Speaker 1: on the scene right now. Who's you can say this

2041
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:41,839
Speaker 1: person's for us. You know, something happens, they're going to respond.

2042
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Speaker 1: And I know if he was feeling better, he probably

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01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 1: responds to a lot of stuff that's going down right now.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 9: And just a note on the Reverend Jesse Jackson. For

2046
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 9: those critics of Reverend Jesse Jackson, the question, the easy

2047
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,960
Speaker 9: question to respond to critics of Jesse Jackson is Okay,

2048
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 9: here's what you criticized, Jesse Jackson. Now tell me what

2049
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Speaker 9: you're doing. I find that most times, many times people

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Speaker 9: or who are the greatest critics are sidelines. They're the

2051
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 9: armchair revolutionaries. They're the people who just make the commentary.

2052
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Speaker 9: They're the Stephen Smiths of the world, and who don't

2053
02:00:16,280 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 9: do anything, they just make negative comments because again it's

2054
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 9: a way of getting attention and making money. But when

2055
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:25,879
Speaker 9: you ask them what they're doing to address the systemic racism,

2056
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 9: the systemic exploitation of our people, the degadation of our

2057
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 9: people complete solids in tract. One of the greatest ways

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Speaker 9: to have a sharp conversation with many people in this

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Speaker 9: country who happen to be African American. If you want

2060
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Speaker 9: to talk about sports, they'll spend all day telling you

2061
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 9: whether Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan look the greatest basketball player.

2062
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Speaker 9: Or if you want to talk to them of an entertainment,

2063
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 9: they'll tell you whether it was Beyonce or whether it

2064
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 9: was Michael Jackson, who's greatest entertainer. But when you ask

2065
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 9: them the question, what are you doing deliberate black people rings,

2066
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 9: and they said they've got something else to do, they

2067
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 9: quickly changed subject matters because the truth of the matter

2068
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 9: is the vast majority of our people could be doing

2069
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:12,080
Speaker 9: more than they are, and too many people set on

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Speaker 9: the sidelines criticizing whether it's Minister far Khin or the

2071
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Speaker 9: revend Jesse Jackson or others who may be involved in

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Speaker 9: the movement. And when you ask them what they're doing

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Speaker 9: complete solace.

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Speaker 1: Why is that, though you're absolutely right your spot on.

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Speaker 6: Why is that It's because it's easier to be a critic.

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Speaker 9: As someone who's been dealing with this issue of civil

2077
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 9: rights for decades, I know what the price one pays

2078
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 9: for being involved. I'm one of the few people left

2079
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 9: in this nation that can honestly say that I had

2080
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,560
Speaker 9: the opportunity to suit the FBI. One FBI when I

2081
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:51,080
Speaker 9: was a teenager. As you know, other they Cointail program,

2082
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 9: Talent Intelligence program actually opened up a Dozia air or

2083
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,600
Speaker 9: me when I was sixteen years old, and they count

2084
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 9: me under civilians until we want federal lawsuit against them

2085
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:05,160
Speaker 9: because they were doing an illegal spine. It takes heart,

2086
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:07,800
Speaker 9: it takes courage to be able to stand up, and

2087
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 9: quite frankly, courage is something you're either born with or

2088
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Speaker 9: your pain. It's not automatic.

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Speaker 6: And for a lot of.

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Speaker 9: People who believe that if they're open their mouths, if

2091
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 9: they say anything, whatever they have been able to gain,

2092
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,880
Speaker 9: they want to remain spouting. They don't want to lose

2093
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 9: their status, they don't want to lose their economic what

2094
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 9: they believe benefit and so far too many of us

2095
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 9: are too wide because of fear.

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02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this on twenty five away

2097
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:39,440
Speaker 1: from the top of that, if you were on a

2098
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 1: surveillance at sixteen, just like Chairman Fred Hampton was on

2099
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 1: the surveillance side, I think he was much younger than

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Speaker 1: that as well. When they were decided is a surveil him?

2101
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:50,840
Speaker 1: What did your parents think about? You know, the fact

2102
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: that if you've got the FEDS and the CIA, FEDS

2103
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 1: looking into you and they're investigating you as a teenager,

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02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 1: they were they concerning?

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Speaker 9: Yes, one of the things I'm very I tell people

2106
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 9: this all the time. My mother lived to be one

2107
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 9: hundred and four years old. My mother was an incredible,

2108
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:14,400
Speaker 9: phenomenal woman. So when the FBI showed up at her household,

2109
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 9: remember only sixteen years old, with a two piece suit on,

2110
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:23,920
Speaker 9: their shiny shoes, their badges, their guns, my mother wasn't intimidating.

2111
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Speaker 9: My mother made it absolutely clear to the FBI at

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Speaker 9: that time, and by the way, this is in the seventies,

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Speaker 9: that she would not tolerate them arming me at all,

2114
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 9: and she stood up. She did not do what they

2115
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 9: thought she was going to do. In fact, can you

2116
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:42,600
Speaker 9: believe the FBI asked my mother to be an informant,

2117
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 9: they told her. And you know, we've got the actual

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Speaker 9: FBI files. By the way, anyone who's interested in seeing

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Speaker 9: what the FBI would keep on a sixteen year old kid,

2120
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Speaker 9: all they have to do is go to the Maryland

2121
02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,000
Speaker 9: chapter of the ACOU has a website and we don't

2122
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 9: NATed the entire FBI file to them, so that people

2123
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,400
Speaker 9: can see what the FBI does, what kind of information

2124
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,440
Speaker 9: they try to collect on people, how they try to

2125
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 9: use family members, how they try to find school teachers

2126
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 9: and our schoolmates to become informants.

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Speaker 1: And they want and hold that thought right there, Carl,

2128
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 1: hold that thought right there. We'll step aside for a

2129
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Speaker 1: few minutes. We'll come back. I want you to finish

2130
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 1: and tell us that story. And what were you doing

2131
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,720
Speaker 1: that you know caught their attention. Usually something you did

2132
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:29,040
Speaker 1: or say that caught their attention, is what you mentioned,

2133
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Speaker 1: Because I know Steve Cochele has talked about this quite

2134
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Speaker 1: a bit. He says, they usually go after your family

2135
02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: members to get you. But I'll let you give your

2136
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:37,240
Speaker 1: side or so, and we got some folks who want

2137
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:39,400
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Family YouTube can join our conversation

2138
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Speaker 1: with Carl Snowden reach out to us at eight hundred

2139
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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and ticket

2140
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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising Family. Thanks you starting

2141
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Speaker 1: your week with us this morning. I guess it is

2142
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Speaker 1: Carl Snowny is an activist at a Baltimore sell a

2143
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Speaker 1: Ryan's activists. Before we get back to you, let me

2144
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Speaker 1: just remind you come up. Later this morning we speak

2145
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Speaker 1: with former vice presidential candidate and one of the original

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Speaker 1: founders of the original Black Lives Man. It would be

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Speaker 1: doctor Million Abdullah. And later this week you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: from chematologist Tony Brown made a physician and master herbalist,

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Speaker 1: Doctor b also Grio Baba Lamuma from Memojia House in Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC will join us. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure your rate is locked and tight on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB rightf we're in the DMV area or on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WL all right before tall I'll let you

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Speaker 1: respond to carl My question, what was you do you

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Speaker 1: think they think you were supposed to do? And as

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Speaker 1: a teenager that would warrant them a cointail program on you.

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Speaker 9: Well again for people to appreciate this, They've got to

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Speaker 9: understand what was the cointail program. Remember this is after

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Speaker 9: the Debta Martin Luther King Junior, the assassination of Malcolm X,

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Speaker 9: the murder of Fred Hampton in the seventies. People have

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Speaker 9: to appreciate what was going on. There was a real

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Speaker 9: movement in this country. Angela Davis was on trial for

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Speaker 9: her life. They were going to put her in the

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Speaker 9: Asked Chamber at the age of twenty six years of age.

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Speaker 9: The African American community activism was was the thing that

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Speaker 9: was going on. The war in Vietnam was going on.

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Speaker 9: I can remember very vividly the May Day demonstrations. We

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Speaker 9: would have the African Liberation Day demonstrations. The consciousness of

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Speaker 9: black people were that all time high, and the government,

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Speaker 9: the federal government had to respond, and they responded. They

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Speaker 9: put in place the PINTEL program that was designed to

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Speaker 9: identify young upcoming PENTIL leaders and to neutralize them, to

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Speaker 9: use their term, to neutralize them before they became adults.

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Speaker 9: And so I think there was a concerted effort to

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Speaker 9: identify potential African American leaders who could create issues for

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Speaker 9: this country, and they put them on their surveillance. They

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Speaker 9: were able to do all kinds of things, and there

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Speaker 9: are people who, quite frankly, didn't survive. I know a

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Speaker 9: number of people who were actives during my youth who

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Speaker 9: were murdered steriously. And so there were a number of

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Speaker 9: efforts on the part of the government to suppress a

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Speaker 9: growing movement in that country. If you look at the

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Speaker 9: sixties and the seventies, and then you ask what happened

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Speaker 9: in the eighties where drugs were brought into our community

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Speaker 9: in terms of crack cocaine, which Maxine Walters spoke very freqiantly,

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Speaker 9: But there is been a concerted effort to suppress African

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Speaker 9: American movement, and it's done on many ways. Oftentimes I

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Speaker 9: marveled how much people really don't understand our nine eleven

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Speaker 9: changed America forever and had a particularly impact, adverse impact

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Speaker 9: on black people. We just don't see it, but it exists,

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Speaker 9: all right.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen away from the top of the now, we've got

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Speaker 1: some folks that sawts. I mentioned Jean's calling from Pikes

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Speaker 1: Phillies online to Grand Rising Junior with Karl Snowby.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Grand Rising over you, gentlemen, I got a question

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Speaker 7: for you, mister Snowdon. Yes, sir, in reference to how

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Speaker 7: you finance yourself. Do you have an endowment? You've been

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Speaker 7: around for quite a while. How in reference through.

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Speaker 5: Funding do you you know? Do you have an endowment?

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Speaker 9: No, there's not an endowment. What I've been able to do.

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Speaker 9: For those who don't know my history, I've been unlected

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Speaker 9: to fish, I ran for public office. I've served at

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Speaker 9: many levels of government. I was the first civil rights

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Speaker 9: director for the office of Maryland Attorney General. I've invested wisely,

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Speaker 9: and I've been able to unstain myself. And I also

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02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,960
Speaker 9: understand again what you can do and what you can't

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02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,640
Speaker 9: do if you're planning on challenging the system.

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Speaker 7: So I got is here because No, like you said, critics,

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Speaker 7: that's not a criticism of you.

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Speaker 5: I asked that question.

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Speaker 7: Is because doctor Whittaker comes on and she tells about

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Speaker 7: Tuskegee and they have an endowment. Howard Universe, I'm sorry, Hampton,

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02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:09,600
Speaker 7: and the university has an endowment. Howard has an endowment.

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Speaker 7: Howard has an endowment, and that frees you up from

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Speaker 7: having to get money from other people or even to

2216
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:23,280
Speaker 7: what do you call it when you have.

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Speaker 5: Not a website, but if you.

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Speaker 7: Have a social media platform and then what you're trying

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02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:32,120
Speaker 7: to do is, you know, you're trying to get popular

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Speaker 7: so that you can get you know, the money that

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Speaker 7: that that that that that that thing can give you

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Speaker 7: in repence to how many.

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Speaker 5: People are following you, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: Right, So, so what I hear in a sense from

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Speaker 7: a lot of people is like people who have money

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Speaker 7: aren't doing what they are supposed to do. I have

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Speaker 7: six people who follow me. I paid them thirty dollars

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Speaker 7: an hour. Well, yeah, you know, I paid them thirty

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Speaker 7: thirty dollars an hour. Now they're not working eighty hours

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Speaker 7: a week, right, I pay one one day a week

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Speaker 7: for four hours.

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Speaker 5: Uh one, I.

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Speaker 7: Paid maybe for six hours because I don't you I

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Speaker 7: have a you know, a share ride. I'm totally blind,

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Speaker 7: et cetera. I'm I'm a Vietnam veteran who has survived

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Speaker 7: cancers because of Agent orange poisoning. So it's like I've

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02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:30,760
Speaker 7: hit the lottery in the sense that I'm one hundred

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Speaker 7: percent disabled in the v eight and that that pays

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Speaker 7: quite a bit of money. Plus the money that I

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Speaker 7: make and my wife's maid when we were working and

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Speaker 7: we get our you know, Ourah and Gane.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like a personal conversation. So we got I

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02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 1: got a question. It is, Yeah, but what you can

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Speaker 1: call Carl, you know, because we've got a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of club people across the country you're talking to. I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to be rude to you, but

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Speaker 1: we've got some other folks. I got issues too. But

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Speaker 1: I thank you for your call this morning twelve. It's

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Speaker 1: away from the top of the Money MIC's online three.

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Speaker 1: He's calling from Baltimore Money Mike. Comment to your question

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Speaker 1: for Carl Snorten.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, gentlemen.

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Speaker 9: How y'all doing? Good morning, sir?

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Speaker 15: Okay, Well, first, you know, you talked about all our leaders,

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Speaker 15: but I don't see the emphasis being played on on

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Speaker 15: educating our populace. You know, back when you in the

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Speaker 15: sixties and seventies, we were all in the same boat,

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Speaker 15: so to say, and because of some advances by some

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Speaker 15: what they did is they took some and made them

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Speaker 15: a leader and moved them out. So now the people

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Speaker 15: who really need to help the most, I don't see

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Speaker 15: emphasis on teaching them and telling them the importance of educations.

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Speaker 15: And the next thing is that why don't we have

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Speaker 15: a media outlet such as we had in the fifties,

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Speaker 15: sixties and seventies. How do how are we going to

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Speaker 15: educate people if we don't have the network, with the

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Speaker 15: with the the newspapers, the black newspapers. You talked about

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Speaker 15: the mayor of DC, how he was able to transform

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Speaker 15: in DC and bring people up out of poverty. Well,

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Speaker 15: part of that was reading. And I don't see us

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Speaker 15: really putting the emphasis on education reading and learning. And

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Speaker 15: I feel like people spend, they spend, and the time

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Speaker 15: that they spend is going to create their success and

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Speaker 15: uplift them out of poverty. And I don't see any

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Speaker 15: emphasis on teaching the masses that. And I'll take your

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Speaker 15: response off air if you don't mind.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, brother.

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Speaker 9: Let me just simply say to you there are people

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Speaker 9: all over the country who are doing marvelous things. They

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Speaker 9: don't get the necessarily same attention as others do, but

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Speaker 9: believe me, they're people who are working dally. They try

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Speaker 9: to make a difference in the society. I loved the

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Speaker 9: late Joe Madison, who we call the Black Eagle.

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Speaker 6: And while I loved it, but Joe.

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Speaker 5: Madison and I often repeat what he has said.

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Speaker 9: Over and over again. Joe Madison always comes down to

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Speaker 9: one fundamental question and it always flows people. Joe Madison's

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Speaker 9: fundamental question was what are you doing to address the

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Speaker 9: problems that's facing our community? And if we could get

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Speaker 9: more people to be involved, this struggle would be over

2291
02:13:16,240 --> 02:13:20,320
Speaker 9: much sooner. Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something.

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Speaker 9: And my thing is to find people, to have people

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Speaker 9: find what there's something is. So, for example, if it's education,

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Speaker 9: and I'm a big believer in education, there's no reason

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Speaker 9: why we cannot have schools. Just as we have Sunday schools,

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Speaker 9: we couldn't have Saturday schools where people who are committed

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Speaker 9: to educating our people, but our true history could take

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Speaker 9: the time at a church, at a mosque, at a temple,

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Speaker 9: at an institution to just educate people.

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Speaker 5: If you would ask people.

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Speaker 6: On this who are listening right now, this is not

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Speaker 6: a hunt year history.

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Speaker 5: This is local.

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Speaker 6: This is a relatively contemporary history. If you would ask

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Speaker 6: people right now, when was the first African American FBI

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Speaker 6: agent hard in this country? Most people think it's the

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Speaker 6: sixties and the seventies and all of that stuff, And

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Speaker 6: when they learned that the first FBI agent that was

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Speaker 6: hard in this country was hard in the twenties, nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 6: The question has to be asked, what in the world

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Speaker 6: would the FBI be doing hiring a black special agent

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Speaker 6: in the nineteen twenties, And the answer was because of

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Speaker 6: Marcus Garvey, they have to infiltrate and Jaggo Hoover personally

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02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 6: recruited a man named James Wormley Jones to be an

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Speaker 6: FBI agent. Well, the vast majority of people have no

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Speaker 6: idea that he came into existence.

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Speaker 5: Because of that.

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Speaker 6: If you ask people win with the first.

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Speaker 9: Black female FBI agent Hardness country, they have no idea.

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Speaker 9: So there are things that we can do to help

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Speaker 9: educate our community and future generations. The reason we building

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Speaker 9: this Malcolm X Memorial is to speak to lotions hit

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Speaker 9: I'm board. We have to be able to tell people

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Speaker 9: where we are in twenty twenty five and where we're going,

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Speaker 9: and that agenda has yet to be determined.

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Speaker 1: Again, it goes back to my question about the leadership

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Speaker 1: at Carl Snowden. What do we need another leader? You

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Speaker 1: mentioned it all over the country, and you mentioned some

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Speaker 1: of justin Pearson, Tennessee. But do we need a do

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Speaker 1: any and does that leader have to be charismatic. Most

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Speaker 1: of our leaders who are very you know, who get results,

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Speaker 1: are charismatic. They know how to speak, they they got

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Speaker 1: style swag if you will. For the younger folks, do

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Speaker 1: we need to create or do we need to have

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Speaker 1: that person? And doesn't have to be a male.

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Speaker 6: No, it can be.

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Speaker 9: In fact, it's always been male and see male and look.

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Speaker 9: Obviously it helps to be charismatic, it helps to be articulate,

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Speaker 9: but it's not absolutely necessary. There are men and women

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Speaker 9: in history dying point two who are very effective, I mean,

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02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:03,480
Speaker 9: who did amazing things in terms of civil rights movement.

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Speaker 9: I happen to be a student of the civil rights movement,

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02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:07,520
Speaker 9: so I happen to know there a lot of men

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Speaker 9: and women that people listening to this audience have.

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Speaker 6: Never heard of. These men and women were committed to

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02:16:13,720 --> 02:16:16,440
Speaker 6: making America better and not better, and they were able

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Speaker 6: to do all kinds of things. So I think it's

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Speaker 6: important for wherever you are in the country, for people

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Speaker 6: to answer the question that Joe Madison pos, what are

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Speaker 6: you going to do about it?

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Speaker 5: And whatever your.

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02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:33,280
Speaker 9: Contribution is, if it's contributing to organizations who out there

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02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:37,160
Speaker 9: fighting for the advancement of African American people. So be

2354
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:39,520
Speaker 9: it if you're one of the kinds of person that

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02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:43,039
Speaker 9: can get involved in the demonstration and show up whatever

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Speaker 9: you feel that you can contribute. It's absolutely necessary that

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Speaker 9: each of us do that which we think we can

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Speaker 9: do to make America better. And by the way, it's

2359
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:55,879
Speaker 9: not for youI called we're fired. This is for generations

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02:16:56,000 --> 02:17:00,520
Speaker 9: yet unborn. Fifty years from now, what kind of America

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02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:01,360
Speaker 9: they want to leave.

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02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:04,680
Speaker 6: For our children? And fifty years from now, I know

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02:17:04,879 --> 02:17:07,600
Speaker 6: what America will be like. It will be dependent upon

2364
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:10,440
Speaker 6: what we do today. Malcolm X put it so well.

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02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:14,680
Speaker 6: Those who are prepared for the future, those who get

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02:17:14,720 --> 02:17:18,400
Speaker 6: the proper education, would argue, that's our passport to the future.

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02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:21,400
Speaker 6: So we've got to spend a lot of time educating

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02:17:21,480 --> 02:17:26,200
Speaker 6: people to those particular resources we got right now, there's

2369
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:29,480
Speaker 6: nothing that stops us. We're building this Malcolm X memorial.

2370
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:33,360
Speaker 6: We're not taking the dime from the government. We're raising

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02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:36,000
Speaker 6: money among our own. Because if we raise the money

2372
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:39,000
Speaker 6: among ourselves, we get to say what Malcolm X stands for,

2373
02:17:39,560 --> 02:17:44,400
Speaker 6: We get to design this particular memorial to him, and

2374
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:48,160
Speaker 6: we have the resources. It's a question of will will

2375
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:52,680
Speaker 6: people do what's necessary to preserve their history and their

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02:17:52,720 --> 02:17:56,840
Speaker 6: culture and to protect their children in the future, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said it in that way of

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02:17:58,640 --> 02:18:01,400
Speaker 1: five away from the top then, because the folks, you know,

2379
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 1: the pressure, you can call them whatever you want. They're

2380
02:18:04,959 --> 02:18:07,360
Speaker 1: planning ahead. That's what we're seeing all of this stuff

2381
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:09,360
Speaker 1: with the you know, Project twenty twenty five, this was

2382
02:18:09,400 --> 02:18:13,200
Speaker 1: planned five years ago, that's right. So how can we

2383
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:17,119
Speaker 1: get our folks to look beforeward thinking, because it seems

2384
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:19,560
Speaker 1: like we're sitting back, you know, Carl, and we're on

2385
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:22,800
Speaker 1: the late train. By the time that hits us, you know,

2386
02:18:23,160 --> 02:18:26,240
Speaker 1: we're incapacitated. We can't respond. And this is where we

2387
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:28,920
Speaker 1: are now with this particularly, it's time and space we're

2388
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:29,800
Speaker 1: in right now.

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02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:34,000
Speaker 6: I would say that people this and anyone can do this.

2390
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 6: One should just go ahead and google the Black Political

2391
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:43,160
Speaker 6: Agenda nineteen seventy two, Gary and Nanda, where black people

2392
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:45,360
Speaker 6: from all over the country, every walk of life got

2393
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 6: together and put together agenda. What was written in nineteen

2394
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,360
Speaker 6: seventy two is as applicable today as it was in

2395
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:54,920
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy two. Again, we just don't know the history.

2396
02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:57,160
Speaker 6: We don't know the fact that people showed up with

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02:18:57,200 --> 02:19:00,800
Speaker 6: Gary and Nava in numbers unprecedented and the leadership that

2398
02:19:00,920 --> 02:19:03,200
Speaker 6: showed up on that day and they have it out

2399
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:07,280
Speaker 6: an agenda. Unfortunately, we've gotten deterred from that agenda. That

2400
02:19:07,400 --> 02:19:09,160
Speaker 6: agenda was the blueprint for the future.

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02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:15,640
Speaker 1: So you're saying we need a new blueprint, a black agenda.

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02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:17,800
Speaker 1: We need a new Black agenda? If so, or do

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02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,360
Speaker 1: we need another Gary meeting? It's like what ha many

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02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 1: seventy two yes to.

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02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 6: Both if you ask the majority of people listening to

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02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:27,119
Speaker 6: this program.

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02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:28,320
Speaker 5: It's all over the country.

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02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:31,000
Speaker 6: By the way, in the state of Maryland, we've got

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02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:34,080
Speaker 6: over four hundred and fifty black elected officials. They've never

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02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:36,880
Speaker 6: gathered in one room at the one time to talk

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02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:41,320
Speaker 6: about how we collectively will move forward in Maryland. We

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02:19:41,520 --> 02:19:43,879
Speaker 6: just haven't done that. But the same thing is true

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02:19:43,959 --> 02:19:47,520
Speaker 6: all over the country. African American people need to come

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02:19:47,560 --> 02:19:50,600
Speaker 6: together in the individual states and begin to look at

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02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 6: what's the plan for twenty years from there, what's our

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02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:56,040
Speaker 6: fifty year plan, what do we want to be, what

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02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:59,240
Speaker 6: are we going to try to accomplish? We collectively need

2418
02:19:59,360 --> 02:20:02,560
Speaker 6: to do that, and individual states were varying.

2419
02:20:02,480 --> 02:20:03,200
Speaker 5: What people need.

2420
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,640
Speaker 6: In Mississippi, may not be what they need in Michigan,

2421
02:20:05,800 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 6: and we need to understand that we're not a monolithic community.

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02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 6: That's the point I like there just really stressed we're

2423
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:15,440
Speaker 6: not monolithic. We have a lot of diversity in our

2424
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:18,360
Speaker 6: community and we have to develop a consensus in order

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02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:19,400
Speaker 6: to be able to move forward.

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02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:22,640
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Three minutes away from the

2427
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:23,800
Speaker 1: top of all we gotta start a sign and get

2428
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,200
Speaker 1: caught up in the Oh, we got stations, got to

2429
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,080
Speaker 1: identify themselves down the line, we'll come back. We wrap

2430
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:30,800
Speaker 1: it up with Carl Snowdy's an activist's saying that he's

2431
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:33,800
Speaker 1: surprised or shocked by the lack of response from some

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02:20:33,879 --> 02:20:36,200
Speaker 1: of our civil rights groups and the congression of Black Caucus,

2433
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:37,800
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's coming down to us from this

2434
02:20:37,879 --> 02:20:40,840
Speaker 1: current administration. Are you surprised? Family? What are your thoughts?

2435
02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2436
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:46,960
Speaker 1: six ticket phone calls? Next and grand rising family, Thanks

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02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:48,840
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us. I guess as a

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02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:52,199
Speaker 1: Carl Snowdie is a civil rights activist out of Baltimore,

2439
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:53,800
Speaker 1: and he was sort of shocked, he says, And so

2440
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:56,240
Speaker 1: I sort of you know, when he pointed it out,

2441
02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:58,720
Speaker 1: there's been silence coming from our civil rights leader's all

2442
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:02,240
Speaker 1: these attacks we've had onto this current administration, there's no pushback,

2443
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:05,000
Speaker 1: and he wondered why, And that's the question we're asking

2444
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:07,640
Speaker 1: this morning if if some of you felt the same

2445
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:09,720
Speaker 1: thing we talked about, whether it should we should have

2446
02:21:09,879 --> 02:21:13,160
Speaker 1: leaders or black leaders or we don't have the caliber

2447
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:15,520
Speaker 1: of leaders we had before. He says we need to.

2448
02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:18,280
Speaker 1: And it was interesting the Carl mens we need to

2449
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:21,160
Speaker 1: have a black agenda that was curated from the meeting

2450
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 1: in seventy two with Gary, that Black Power meeting. He says,

2451
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:27,120
Speaker 1: we need to have another one of those. What are

2452
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2453
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:32,920
Speaker 1: eight seventy six Speak to Carl. Alex Is calling from Alexandra.

2454
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:35,240
Speaker 1: Alex You have a question for Karl Snowden.

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02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:44,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, My question to your guests is why what had

2456
02:21:44,840 --> 02:21:47,440
Speaker 5: the leaders that the so called leaders that he called

2457
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:51,560
Speaker 5: and leaders, what had they done for the black community?

2458
02:21:52,120 --> 02:21:54,920
Speaker 5: And where I'm doing at with this? And you called

2459
02:21:54,959 --> 02:21:59,160
Speaker 5: yourself a civil rights activist, but you failed to realize

2460
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:03,200
Speaker 5: that the right or didn't begin when that then the

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02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,440
Speaker 5: Banks Johnson it was already the Civil Rights Act of

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02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:12,279
Speaker 5: nineteen I mean eighteen sixty six, that should have been followed,

2463
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:16,640
Speaker 5: but instead your party did not want to follow that.

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02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:20,840
Speaker 5: That that that civil rights are So what had them

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02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:25,560
Speaker 5: leaders done for us that you called leaders? What have

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02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:30,039
Speaker 5: they done for us? Sorry the last one of them

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02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:31,640
Speaker 5: that you just named, because.

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02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:34,480
Speaker 1: I thank you for your call.

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02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:41,120
Speaker 9: Car As you can see, that's my whole point. My

2470
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:45,200
Speaker 9: point is that there's no leader. You name anyone, you'll

2471
02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:48,600
Speaker 9: find that there's that leader will have a critic And

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02:22:48,680 --> 02:22:51,879
Speaker 9: the question becomes very simple for me. If you don't

2473
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:55,480
Speaker 9: like what the national leadership is doing, what are you

2474
02:22:55,640 --> 02:22:58,000
Speaker 9: doing in response to it? And it's easy to be

2475
02:22:58,120 --> 02:23:01,039
Speaker 9: on the side criticizing. You can critics side Jesse Jackson,

2476
02:23:01,080 --> 02:23:04,760
Speaker 9: you can criticize Minister Lewis Furicon, you can criticize any

2477
02:23:04,840 --> 02:23:06,960
Speaker 9: African American leader.

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02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:11,520
Speaker 6: That's easy. I mean that part's easy. The question becomes,

2479
02:23:11,640 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 6: what are you going to do individually.

2480
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:17,720
Speaker 9: To make our situation better? And when you pose that question,

2481
02:23:17,879 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 9: people would rather get it to a debate. I don't

2482
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:24,959
Speaker 9: have to debate whether Jesse Jackson contributed anything to American society.

2483
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:25,680
Speaker 5: I know he did.

2484
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:29,199
Speaker 9: I know that many many people got elected to public

2485
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,880
Speaker 9: offers because of Jesse Jackson. I know that, but there's

2486
02:23:32,920 --> 02:23:35,240
Speaker 9: no need to debate that. I know what the contribution

2487
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:38,960
Speaker 9: that Minister Lewis Furicon has made. He's not perfect, but

2488
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:42,440
Speaker 9: he has made contributions. And all I'm trying to say

2489
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:45,720
Speaker 9: is that if we're going to advance the cause, we

2490
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:49,160
Speaker 9: collectively have to take the responsibility.

2491
02:23:48,400 --> 02:23:53,240
Speaker 6: To move forward. Anybody can criticize any organization, any individual.

2492
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:55,720
Speaker 5: It all comes down to what are you doing.

2493
02:23:56,320 --> 02:23:58,879
Speaker 9: And one of the things that haven't spent as long

2494
02:23:58,959 --> 02:23:59,400
Speaker 9: as I have.

2495
02:23:59,800 --> 02:24:03,480
Speaker 6: In a struggle, I'll compare my record to anybody. I mean,

2496
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:05,879
Speaker 6: people think that I've not done anything or not made

2497
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:09,200
Speaker 6: a contribution, that's their right, they have their opinion, but

2498
02:24:09,320 --> 02:24:12,120
Speaker 6: I think the facts will speak to themselves for themselves.

2499
02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:15,080
Speaker 6: And the same thing with others. To say that Jesse

2500
02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:18,760
Speaker 6: Jackson or somebody else have made no contribution to African.

2501
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:22,720
Speaker 5: Americans, it's just just not true. It's absolutely not true.

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02:24:23,240 --> 02:24:25,680
Speaker 9: And even Marion Berry and I, who limit in high

2503
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:28,440
Speaker 9: regard I did, said Marion Berry was a perfect servant.

2504
02:24:28,520 --> 02:24:30,480
Speaker 9: I say he was a public servant. And when I

2505
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:32,400
Speaker 9: look at the kind of things that Marion Berry did

2506
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 9: with his may of Washington, DC. It was not a panacea,

2507
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:39,360
Speaker 9: didn't solve all of our problems. But for anybody to

2508
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:42,360
Speaker 9: say that Marion Berry did not make a contribution to

2509
02:24:43,080 --> 02:24:47,280
Speaker 9: advancing and improving their lives black people, I think it's

2510
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:48,359
Speaker 9: just wrong.

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02:24:48,440 --> 02:24:52,199
Speaker 6: Absolutely wrong. And I think both history and the record proves.

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02:24:51,959 --> 02:24:55,360
Speaker 1: That gotcha five. At the top of that we got

2513
02:24:55,400 --> 02:24:58,400
Speaker 1: doctor Malina Abdulla and Deco gets her a momentarily. But

2514
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:00,440
Speaker 1: call it for we let you go. How can folks

2515
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 1: that want to put in take apart this time capsule

2516
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:05,280
Speaker 1: and for the late comers, can you tell them again

2517
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:06,920
Speaker 1: how it works and what's going to happen?

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02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,440
Speaker 9: Thank you again, I appreciate that opportunity to do there.

2519
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:14,320
Speaker 9: In Maryland, we're creating the first Malcolm X time capsule

2520
02:25:14,520 --> 02:25:17,120
Speaker 9: that's going to be opened in May of twenty seventy six.

2521
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:20,879
Speaker 9: In that time capsule will be a question that anyone

2522
02:25:20,920 --> 02:25:24,560
Speaker 9: who's listening and participated, the question is where do you

2523
02:25:24,680 --> 02:25:28,199
Speaker 9: think race relations will be in the year twenty seventy six.

2524
02:25:28,840 --> 02:25:32,720
Speaker 9: If you're interested in either contributing to the Malcolm X

2525
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:37,240
Speaker 9: memorial or setting in this document, if you will call

2526
02:25:37,560 --> 02:25:41,240
Speaker 9: full four three eighty seven to one five six five six.

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02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 6: That's full four three eight fifty six fifty six will

2528
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:49,640
Speaker 6: be directed to more information and to a website where

2529
02:25:49,640 --> 02:25:51,840
Speaker 6: you can let your views be known.

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02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:55,640
Speaker 1: All right, I'd love to be around. You know, fifty

2531
02:25:55,720 --> 02:25:57,320
Speaker 1: years from now, I won't be here, but you know

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02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:01,160
Speaker 1: hopefully that you said children ground children probably be here

2533
02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:04,000
Speaker 1: and they'll read and their reaction to what did we

2534
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:06,240
Speaker 1: do in this particular time and space or especially when

2535
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:08,080
Speaker 1: they read it. But because Donald Trump's going to be

2536
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:11,600
Speaker 1: in the history books and what was the Black America's response,

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02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:11,959
Speaker 1: you know.

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02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:13,080
Speaker 3: It's going to be interested.

2539
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:15,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

2540
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:17,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Carl again, give that.

2541
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:22,040
Speaker 6: Number out four four three eight seven one fifty six

2542
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:25,840
Speaker 6: fifty six four four three eight seven one fifty six

2543
02:26:25,959 --> 02:26:26,480
Speaker 6: fifty six.

2544
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,200
Speaker 1: All righty, thank you, and thank you again for sharing

2545
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:33,240
Speaker 1: the story that the Fed's had you on the surveillance

2546
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,320
Speaker 1: when you're a teenager. We've got to get into that

2547
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:37,600
Speaker 1: more next time you're on. But I thank you for you,

2548
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir Chris sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Family.

2549
02:26:40,320 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 1: That's Karl Snooney's a civil rights auctaries out of Baltimore.

2550
02:26:42,879 --> 02:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Le's turning attention now to doctor Malina Abdullah, doctor Melina

2551
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:50,640
Speaker 1: Grand Rising. Welcome back to the program, Ram Rising.

2552
02:26:50,760 --> 02:26:52,640
Speaker 8: Thanks so much for having me, brother Carl.

2553
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I got a bunch of questions for it.

2554
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:57,960
Speaker 1: But first let's start because you know, let me just

2555
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,480
Speaker 1: tell a family this. The two Black lives Lives Matter,

2556
02:27:00,600 --> 02:27:03,600
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter that you hear about in the news,

2557
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:06,440
Speaker 1: any of the Black Lives Matter, the original Black Lives Matter,

2558
02:27:06,520 --> 02:27:09,520
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter Grassroots. That's the one with doctor Malina

2559
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:13,400
Speaker 1: Abdulah and doctor Malina were just another story about another

2560
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 1: fraud from another chapter of Black Lives Matter? Can you

2561
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:17,760
Speaker 1: share that with us? And how does that make you feel?

2562
02:27:17,800 --> 02:27:18,960
Speaker 1: And you keep hearing these stories?

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02:27:20,959 --> 02:27:21,279
Speaker 10: Sure?

2564
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:23,879
Speaker 8: So, I mean there's a few things. One we want

2565
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:26,680
Speaker 8: to make sure we distinguish ourselves. So all of the

2566
02:27:26,840 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 8: chapters of Black Lives Matter are listed at BLM Grassroots.

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02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 8: So all the grassroots chapters, the chapters that are birthed

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02:27:34,959 --> 02:27:38,320
Speaker 8: through protests, you know, birthed out of the demand that

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02:27:38,480 --> 02:27:42,119
Speaker 8: Black people are free, that targets are removed from our backs,

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02:27:42,200 --> 02:27:45,320
Speaker 8: and that we get to flourish and grow into our

2571
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:50,840
Speaker 8: fullest potential. That's Black Lives Matter Grassroots. We do the advocacy,

2572
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:54,080
Speaker 8: the organizing on the ground, and so we have fifty

2573
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:59,240
Speaker 8: two chapters around the world. They're all listed at blmgrassroots

2574
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:03,040
Speaker 8: dot org. Oklahoma City is not one of them, and

2575
02:28:03,240 --> 02:28:07,160
Speaker 8: so it's really important that we say that. We also

2576
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:13,879
Speaker 8: want to say that we know that investigations and allegations come,

2577
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 8: and just because they're not part of us, and they

2578
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:22,279
Speaker 8: are not part of us, doesn't mean that any allegations

2579
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:28,520
Speaker 8: that the government has, especially under Donald Trump, are true

2580
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:32,840
Speaker 8: because you know, we haven't been investigated, we are not

2581
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,680
Speaker 8: under investigation, but it doesn't mean that they won't come

2582
02:28:35,720 --> 02:28:38,360
Speaker 8: for us. We know there's people in prison right now

2583
02:28:38,480 --> 02:28:41,200
Speaker 8: who've been framed by the government. We just marked the

2584
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:45,000
Speaker 8: forty fourth anniversary of the rest of Mumia Abu Jamal,

2585
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,680
Speaker 8: who still sits in prison forty four years later after

2586
02:28:48,840 --> 02:28:51,440
Speaker 8: he was framed. So we want to make sure that

2587
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:56,279
Speaker 8: we don't double down on allegations that could be false.

2588
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:59,000
Speaker 8: So those are the things that we'd say, and then

2589
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:02,760
Speaker 8: we'd say, don't let it slow us down from moving work.

2590
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:08,240
Speaker 8: Just day before yesterday, I left Ohio where brother Frank

2591
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 8: Tyson's killer. Brother Frank Tyson was a fifty three year

2592
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:17,200
Speaker 8: old black man who had been falsely imprisoned for twenty

2593
02:29:17,320 --> 02:29:21,040
Speaker 8: four years, and thirteen days after his release, he was

2594
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:26,480
Speaker 8: killed by police in Canton, Ohio as he was gasping

2595
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:30,160
Speaker 8: for breath, saying most famous words, I can't breathe. The

2596
02:29:30,320 --> 02:29:35,119
Speaker 8: police nonetheless sat on his back and left him face

2597
02:29:35,240 --> 02:29:39,199
Speaker 8: down on the floor of a white establishment and left

2598
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:41,640
Speaker 8: him to die. And so we have to continue to

2599
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:44,720
Speaker 8: do righteous work. In the name of Frank Tyson, in

2600
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:47,520
Speaker 8: the name of Miani fin Layson, who was the black

2601
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:50,200
Speaker 8: mother killed in her own home when she called police

2602
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:53,400
Speaker 8: for help with a domestic dispute. We just marked her

2603
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,640
Speaker 8: angel versary. We got to keep doing work and not

2604
02:29:56,920 --> 02:30:00,640
Speaker 8: let these kinds of things slow us down from the work.

2605
02:30:02,680 --> 02:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Is this a distraction or is it more of you know,

2606
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:07,120
Speaker 1: does it impact with the work that you're trying to do.

2607
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:12,800
Speaker 8: It does impact our work because it erodes trust in

2608
02:30:12,920 --> 02:30:17,160
Speaker 8: the movement. And we have to be clear. Yesterday was

2609
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:21,000
Speaker 8: our Black Lives Matter Los Angeles meeting. We have a

2610
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:25,880
Speaker 8: monthly organized organizing meeting. It was packed with over one

2611
02:30:25,959 --> 02:30:29,040
Speaker 8: hundred black folks in LA who are committed to doing

2612
02:30:29,160 --> 02:30:35,879
Speaker 8: righteous work. And when there are allegations when people misrepresent

2613
02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:39,320
Speaker 8: Black Lives Matter people question, and we have to do

2614
02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:42,920
Speaker 8: a lot of work to make sure people know what

2615
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,800
Speaker 8: righteous work is moving and how they can plug in

2616
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:50,960
Speaker 8: and to really earn trust. And so that's what we

2617
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 8: have to do. But it's much easier when people aren't,

2618
02:30:54,840 --> 02:30:56,199
Speaker 8: you know, eroading trust.

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02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Your reaction to I guess it's on a consideration to

2620
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:05,480
Speaker 1: take the Black Lives Matter mural in Washington, DC and

2621
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:08,160
Speaker 1: recreate one for Charlie Kirk.

2622
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:13,440
Speaker 8: Your thoughts, oh, I saw that that's disgusting any mural

2623
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:18,720
Speaker 8: that would go up to an unabashed white supremacist, a

2624
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:23,560
Speaker 8: violent person. I have my own personal feelings around Charlie

2625
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:26,520
Speaker 8: Kirk as a professor. I was one of the first

2626
02:31:26,840 --> 02:31:32,240
Speaker 8: people that was placed on Charlie Kirk's professor watch list,

2627
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:37,880
Speaker 8: and it created this flurry of violence against me where

2628
02:31:37,959 --> 02:31:43,320
Speaker 8: people were coming to my university and attacking me online,

2629
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:47,320
Speaker 8: and it results in real violence. That person should never

2630
02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:51,560
Speaker 8: ever be honored. And you know, while I didn't say

2631
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:55,640
Speaker 8: much when he was assassinated, you know it was an

2632
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:58,760
Speaker 8: act of white on white violence. I will say the

2633
02:31:58,959 --> 02:32:04,720
Speaker 8: idea that this country would even consider honoring him tells

2634
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:09,240
Speaker 8: us how terrible, what a terrible direction this country is

2635
02:32:09,320 --> 02:32:14,120
Speaker 8: going in everything that Charlie Cooks Kirk stood for. Christians

2636
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:18,640
Speaker 8: should be up in arms because he misrepresented what Christianity is. Right,

2637
02:32:20,280 --> 02:32:23,800
Speaker 8: everybody should be outraged that this is even a consideration.

2638
02:32:25,560 --> 02:32:27,680
Speaker 1: All right, thirteen minutes at they at the top, they

2639
02:32:27,720 --> 02:32:29,400
Speaker 1: our family, just checking in with us. I guess they

2640
02:32:29,400 --> 02:32:32,560
Speaker 1: start to Melina Abdulla, the co founders of the founder

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02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:35,560
Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter Grassroots, and I like to have

2642
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:37,600
Speaker 1: her on too. You know, tell folks, when you hear

2643
02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:40,640
Speaker 1: all these negative issues coming about black lives now, that's

2644
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:44,920
Speaker 1: not her group. They actually hijacked the concept and went

2645
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:46,680
Speaker 1: for it, and they got him paid. All these millions

2646
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:49,440
Speaker 1: of dollars, these funds that are supposed to be used

2647
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:53,240
Speaker 1: to help out people, they're being misused so by these groups.

2648
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:56,160
Speaker 1: But this is not how it was intended, because it

2649
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:58,880
Speaker 1: does not only tarnished the image of Black Lives Matter,

2650
02:32:58,959 --> 02:33:01,920
Speaker 1: but all of us as black people. You know what

2651
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:04,320
Speaker 1: we do, you know, take money they're supposed to help

2652
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:09,119
Speaker 1: our community and buy hunt mansions and take exotic trips

2653
02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:11,720
Speaker 1: and spend money just having fun instead of and our

2654
02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:14,680
Speaker 1: people still languish and needing the help. So That's what

2655
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I like to doctor Melina to explain that there are

2656
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:20,119
Speaker 1: two different groups. So if you are supporting Black Lives Matter,

2657
02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:21,840
Speaker 1: only have that turn you off, but make sure you

2658
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:24,879
Speaker 1: go to the Black Lives Matter grassroots, doctor Milia, How

2659
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:26,640
Speaker 1: can they reach you before we go any further.

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02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:31,920
Speaker 8: Sure, So we're at BLM grass Roots on all social

2661
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:37,120
Speaker 8: media BLM grass Roots, BLM grassroots dot org. We continue,

2662
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:40,720
Speaker 8: Thank you, brother Carl, because we continue to draw that distinction.

2663
02:33:40,959 --> 02:33:45,720
Speaker 8: Last week, we actually confronted the thieves at an event

2664
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:49,600
Speaker 8: that they hosted. It looked like a multimillion dollar event

2665
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:53,359
Speaker 8: that they hosted. They showed up and blacked out vehicles

2666
02:33:53,480 --> 02:33:57,800
Speaker 8: with multi thousand dollars handbags and couture on and we

2667
02:33:57,959 --> 02:34:01,480
Speaker 8: found out from somebody who was an insider there that

2668
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:05,480
Speaker 8: they paid celebrities tens of thousands of dollars to be

2669
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:10,000
Speaker 8: present so that they could have you know, them present,

2670
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:14,480
Speaker 8: And that's what they're doing with your donated funds, so

2671
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:20,480
Speaker 8: our folks when they're undemonstrated. I wasn't personally there because

2672
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:26,039
Speaker 8: I was threatened with a restraining order for speaking out

2673
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:30,440
Speaker 8: about them. And that's that's who those folks are. Their

2674
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:34,400
Speaker 8: names are Cecily Gay and djon A. Parker who continue

2675
02:34:34,440 --> 02:34:37,879
Speaker 8: to live off of those stolen resources that were stolen

2676
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:41,800
Speaker 8: in the names of people like Mike Brown. That's why

2677
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:45,600
Speaker 8: people donated right in the names of people like Trey,

2678
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:50,039
Speaker 8: vonn and Martin. You have to remember that and confront

2679
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,400
Speaker 8: them wherever they are. So for the real work of

2680
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:56,720
Speaker 8: Black Lives Matter at the grass roots, as Andrew Joseph,

2681
02:34:57,440 --> 02:35:02,600
Speaker 8: Andrew Joseph, the third UH Father and our rapid response coordinator,

2682
02:35:02,959 --> 02:35:07,200
Speaker 8: he would say, and that's from the grassroots. BLM, grassroots

2683
02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:07,920
Speaker 8: is who we are.

2684
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:13,840
Speaker 1: So for people make distinction, they have to add on grassroots.

2685
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:17,360
Speaker 8: To it, right, Yes, BLM grassroots. If it does not

2686
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:21,200
Speaker 8: say grassroots, then that means it's not the real deal.

2687
02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:26,959
Speaker 8: We're the real formation. They stole what we built and people.

2688
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:30,800
Speaker 1: Are asking how could they do that? Can they still

2689
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:32,920
Speaker 1: do it? They still getting people still writing them checks

2690
02:35:32,920 --> 02:35:35,000
Speaker 1: all over the world, and they still using a splurgeon

2691
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:37,560
Speaker 1: on themselves. How can they get away with that? Can

2692
02:35:37,640 --> 02:35:39,000
Speaker 1: you explain that real quick for us?

2693
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:44,760
Speaker 8: Sure? Well, what they stole. Remember in twenty twenty, people

2694
02:35:44,840 --> 02:35:48,480
Speaker 8: were really really generous and donated a lot of money

2695
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 8: through Black Livesmatter dot Com and so that amount what

2696
02:35:52,920 --> 02:35:55,920
Speaker 8: they reported is it totaled ninety million dollars in a

2697
02:35:56,040 --> 02:36:01,400
Speaker 8: single year. One of our co found there's Patrise Culors

2698
02:36:01,640 --> 02:36:07,000
Speaker 8: placed a highly paid consultant named Shlomia Bowers in charge

2699
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:11,800
Speaker 8: of that infrastructure. And although it was written in a

2700
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:16,680
Speaker 8: memo that those resources were to be transferred to the

2701
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:20,480
Speaker 8: movement on the ground, and it named me as the

2702
02:36:20,680 --> 02:36:25,080
Speaker 8: coordinator the facilitator of BLM Grassroots, so right now I'm

2703
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:28,360
Speaker 8: the director of BLM grass Roots. It said those funds

2704
02:36:28,400 --> 02:36:34,040
Speaker 8: were to come over, Shilomia Bowers decided that he was

2705
02:36:34,200 --> 02:36:38,760
Speaker 8: not going to transfer those resources and said he intended

2706
02:36:38,920 --> 02:36:42,920
Speaker 8: to keep it indefinitely. And because not only was there

2707
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,800
Speaker 8: ninety million in twenty twenty, we got to remember money

2708
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:49,680
Speaker 8: kept coming in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two.

2709
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,480
Speaker 8: Now we're at twenty twenty five, they have hundreds of

2710
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:54,600
Speaker 8: millions of dollars.

2711
02:36:55,280 --> 02:37:00,520
Speaker 1: So hold on, yeah, hold up, this is important about

2712
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:03,119
Speaker 1: this distinction. They also want to talk to you about

2713
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's attack on Venezuela. I want to get your

2714
02:37:05,400 --> 02:37:07,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on that family. You two can join our conversation

2715
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:10,000
Speaker 1: with doctor Miliina Abdullah reach out to US at eight

2716
02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:13,480
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and

2717
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:16,199
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

2718
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,959
Speaker 1: thanks for kickstarting your week with us twenty one minutes

2719
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:21,160
Speaker 1: after the top of it. I guess doctor Milina Abdullah,

2720
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:24,119
Speaker 1: you may recall her name. She was a vice presidential

2721
02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:26,960
Speaker 1: candidate along with Corner the West in the last presidential election.

2722
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:29,280
Speaker 1: She's also the one of the founders of Black Lives Matter.

2723
02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:31,280
Speaker 1: And there's a distinction that she's making here will be

2724
02:37:31,400 --> 02:37:35,360
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter crassroots as the organization she has now

2725
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:37,960
Speaker 1: and the Black Lives Matter that you hear in the

2726
02:37:38,040 --> 02:37:40,160
Speaker 1: news here there's seen the news a couple of days ago.

2727
02:37:40,320 --> 02:37:43,960
Speaker 1: So doctor Miliine, I'll let you finish explaining why how

2728
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 1: they managed to hijack your concept and still getting money,

2729
02:37:47,720 --> 02:37:50,280
Speaker 1: still getting paid, and just pludging the money on themselves.

2730
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:56,800
Speaker 8: Sure so, because they were in charge technically put in

2731
02:37:57,000 --> 02:38:01,320
Speaker 8: charge of those dollars, they had those dollars to resource themselves,

2732
02:38:01,400 --> 02:38:06,200
Speaker 8: and so they hired an attorney, same high powered attorney

2733
02:38:06,440 --> 02:38:10,720
Speaker 8: that represented Hillary Clinton is their attorney. They have that

2734
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,720
Speaker 8: kind of firepower, and we don't have those resources, so

2735
02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:18,080
Speaker 8: we can't match what they have, even though we filed

2736
02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:21,240
Speaker 8: a lawsuit against them. So we first did what we do,

2737
02:38:21,400 --> 02:38:25,080
Speaker 8: which is engaged community, and said, you know, everybody, please

2738
02:38:25,560 --> 02:38:29,600
Speaker 8: sign this open letter. More than twelve hundred people signed

2739
02:38:29,640 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 8: an open letter saying transfer the resources over, because they

2740
02:38:33,640 --> 02:38:37,040
Speaker 8: not only stole our dollars, they stole our platforms, and

2741
02:38:37,080 --> 02:38:39,840
Speaker 8: they stole our name right and our website and our

2742
02:38:39,879 --> 02:38:43,119
Speaker 8: email lists, all of that. And so we said, hand

2743
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:47,120
Speaker 8: that over, and twelve hundred people, including many many movement leaders,

2744
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:50,880
Speaker 8: said handed it over. When they didn't do that, we

2745
02:38:51,240 --> 02:38:55,200
Speaker 8: went public and said please tell them to hand this over,

2746
02:38:55,560 --> 02:38:59,480
Speaker 8: and they refused, and so finally we took them to

2747
02:38:59,560 --> 02:39:06,000
Speaker 8: court about six months later, and initially the ruling was

2748
02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:09,600
Speaker 8: the I guess they call it a preliminary ruling, was

2749
02:39:09,680 --> 02:39:12,280
Speaker 8: that we would be able to move the case forward.

2750
02:39:12,840 --> 02:39:16,600
Speaker 8: But the judge later, when we had our oral arguments,

2751
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:22,280
Speaker 8: she used something. They used something called an anti slat motion,

2752
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:26,000
Speaker 8: which is and I'm not a lawyer, so I'm explaining

2753
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:31,400
Speaker 8: it in laypersons terms the best I understand it, an

2754
02:39:31,440 --> 02:39:36,039
Speaker 8: anti slat motion is meant to protect small organizations from

2755
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:40,120
Speaker 8: being sued frivolously by big organizations. They used it in

2756
02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:44,720
Speaker 8: reverse to say maybe we did steal it, maybe we didn't,

2757
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,720
Speaker 8: but it was our First Amendment right to do so.

2758
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:51,040
Speaker 8: And so we were blocked from ever even having a

2759
02:39:51,160 --> 02:39:54,800
Speaker 8: day in court. And because they hold on to all

2760
02:39:54,879 --> 02:39:58,000
Speaker 8: these resources, we can't even get the word out in

2761
02:39:58,200 --> 02:40:01,480
Speaker 8: the way that we want to. And so we're grateful

2762
02:40:01,640 --> 02:40:05,120
Speaker 8: for shows like yours. We're grateful for the black press.

2763
02:40:05,240 --> 02:40:09,520
Speaker 8: We're grateful for independent media and podcasts, and of course

2764
02:40:09,640 --> 02:40:12,920
Speaker 8: movement organizers that continue to do the work and also

2765
02:40:13,160 --> 02:40:17,120
Speaker 8: uplift that Black Lives Matter. Grass Roots is a original

2766
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:21,119
Speaker 8: formation of Black Lives Matter that is still doing work

2767
02:40:21,640 --> 02:40:26,440
Speaker 8: more intensely now than ever to push us towards black freedom.

2768
02:40:27,400 --> 02:40:29,360
Speaker 1: Got you twenty four after the top al, let's talk

2769
02:40:29,480 --> 02:40:31,760
Speaker 1: politics now, because as I mentioned earlier that you are

2770
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the vice presidental candidate with Corneil West in the last

2771
02:40:34,920 --> 02:40:38,800
Speaker 1: presidential election. Your thoughts on this continue to attack by

2772
02:40:38,840 --> 02:40:43,440
Speaker 1: Donald Trump on Venezuela, Well.

2773
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:46,440
Speaker 8: We already know, you know, there's been a lot of

2774
02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:53,080
Speaker 8: a lot said over decades about resources about you know,

2775
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:57,359
Speaker 8: no war for oil. We got to remember Venezuela holds

2776
02:40:57,879 --> 02:41:00,960
Speaker 8: more oil. We get more oil from Venezuela than we

2777
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,520
Speaker 8: do the Middle East. And so when we talk about

2778
02:41:03,560 --> 02:41:07,240
Speaker 8: the war on Venezuela, the war on Venezuela, the attacks

2779
02:41:07,320 --> 02:41:11,360
Speaker 8: on Venezuela are not just happenstands, it's not because he

2780
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:17,400
Speaker 8: cares about drug cartels. If he did, there would be

2781
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:21,760
Speaker 8: all different kinds of things happening. It's because they're going

2782
02:41:21,879 --> 02:41:28,320
Speaker 8: after both Venezuela's resources as well as the politics of Venezuela.

2783
02:41:28,360 --> 02:41:31,360
Speaker 8: Of course, one of the greatest threats is that people

2784
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:35,640
Speaker 8: are protecting their own country in Venezuela and that there's

2785
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:39,000
Speaker 8: some ideas that you know, when we think about go

2786
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:45,440
Speaker 8: Chavas as Venezuela, especially ideas like socialism, like people should

2787
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,600
Speaker 8: be using the resources of the country to uplift the

2788
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:52,640
Speaker 8: people themselves rather than line the pockets of oil corporations

2789
02:41:52,720 --> 02:41:57,640
Speaker 8: like Exxon, and so I think that's what we see happening.

2790
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:03,040
Speaker 8: And of course I'm not an expert on Latin America,

2791
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:04,400
Speaker 8: but I do know that much.

2792
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:08,600
Speaker 1: Do you see the same attack that you see, you know,

2793
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,440
Speaker 1: a threatened attack on Nigeria as well? Do you think

2794
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is concerned about concerned about the Christians in

2795
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Nigeria's is concerned about the drugs that he says are

2796
02:42:18,520 --> 02:42:20,840
Speaker 1: coming into this country. If so, why and this is

2797
02:42:20,879 --> 02:42:23,960
Speaker 1: a two pod question for you, doctor Melina, Why would

2798
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:28,760
Speaker 1: he Pardoner the Honduran leader who actually bought drugs into

2799
02:42:28,840 --> 02:42:33,480
Speaker 1: the country and he just freedom. Can you explain those Donald? Yeah,

2800
02:42:33,640 --> 02:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll let you answer that. That's you explain.

2801
02:42:36,680 --> 02:42:39,320
Speaker 8: I mean, we know Donald Trump doesn't care about that.

2802
02:42:39,879 --> 02:42:42,640
Speaker 8: He doesn't care about drugs coming into the country. It's

2803
02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:46,959
Speaker 8: about how can he enrich himself and his class. Right,

2804
02:42:47,440 --> 02:42:53,600
Speaker 8: Nigeria is also a resource rich country. Nigeria also has oil.

2805
02:42:54,120 --> 02:43:00,400
Speaker 8: Nigeria is also in a strategic location and in very

2806
02:43:00,480 --> 02:43:03,800
Speaker 8: close proximity to the Saiho States. So there's two things.

2807
02:43:04,280 --> 02:43:09,400
Speaker 8: There's both the natural resources of the land, but also

2808
02:43:09,560 --> 02:43:16,280
Speaker 8: the politicization of the nations that he's threatening. Right, same thing, Venezuela,

2809
02:43:16,360 --> 02:43:20,120
Speaker 8: you see that mirrored in Nigeria. That you see a

2810
02:43:20,360 --> 02:43:25,800
Speaker 8: growing consciousness in Nigeria where Nigerians are not wanting to

2811
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:27,880
Speaker 8: be a part of the West in the same way

2812
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:32,960
Speaker 8: that some developing nations have been willing to kind of

2813
02:43:33,440 --> 02:43:37,080
Speaker 8: give themselves over, give their material resources over to the West.

2814
02:43:37,480 --> 02:43:41,840
Speaker 8: And so these threats he doesn't care about. You know

2815
02:43:41,959 --> 02:43:47,520
Speaker 8: what's happening with what he calls domestic terrorism inside of Nigeria.

2816
02:43:47,560 --> 02:43:50,160
Speaker 8: He doesn't care about that. He cares about whether or

2817
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:53,680
Speaker 8: not they're handing over their natural resources and whether or

2818
02:43:53,720 --> 02:43:57,640
Speaker 8: not Nigeria can serve as a staging ground for US

2819
02:43:57,800 --> 02:44:01,920
Speaker 8: military intervention on the conson in of Africa.

2820
02:44:03,440 --> 02:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I got it a little deeper with Donald Trump. You know,

2821
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:11,280
Speaker 1: going after the fourteenth Amendment, do you think that's going

2822
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:13,080
Speaker 1: to affect us as African Americans?

2823
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:18,680
Speaker 8: I mean, it's already affecting us, brother Carl. He does

2824
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:23,520
Speaker 8: not think about Black people, you know, just like the

2825
02:44:23,959 --> 02:44:29,680
Speaker 8: white supremacists that he descends from. Black people, in his view,

2826
02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:34,480
Speaker 8: are not even human beings, let alone citizens of this country.

2827
02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:37,520
Speaker 8: We want to think about the unleashing and we said

2828
02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:40,879
Speaker 8: it early on with these ice raids when black people

2829
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:45,360
Speaker 8: some black people. Thankfully black people are for the most part,

2830
02:44:45,680 --> 02:44:48,120
Speaker 8: very very clear that ice raids are not good for

2831
02:44:48,200 --> 02:44:51,720
Speaker 8: black folks. But we said really early on when the

2832
02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:54,600
Speaker 8: ice raids started, this is going to be bad for

2833
02:44:54,720 --> 02:44:58,480
Speaker 8: black people. What if we started to see African Americans

2834
02:44:58,520 --> 02:45:02,880
Speaker 8: who can trace their history to chattel slavery, right, Like

2835
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:08,119
Speaker 8: I'm one of what they would call foundational Black Americans.

2836
02:45:08,200 --> 02:45:09,879
Speaker 8: I think is what some people call us.

2837
02:45:10,040 --> 02:45:10,200
Speaker 12: Right.

2838
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:14,720
Speaker 8: I can trace my lineage. I know my great great

2839
02:45:14,840 --> 02:45:19,039
Speaker 8: great great grandmother Rachel was brought into Sabine Past, Texas

2840
02:45:19,400 --> 02:45:24,360
Speaker 8: as an enslaved person. That does not protect me and

2841
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:29,640
Speaker 8: my bloodline from Donald Trump, from the ice rage, from

2842
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:33,400
Speaker 8: the allegation that we are not citizens, right, And that's

2843
02:45:33,480 --> 02:45:35,920
Speaker 8: what we're starting to see. So the attack on the

2844
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:39,520
Speaker 8: fourteenth Amendment is not just meant to be an attack

2845
02:45:39,640 --> 02:45:43,520
Speaker 8: on those who we traditionally think about as migrants. It's

2846
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:47,880
Speaker 8: also an attack on what makes you American and for

2847
02:45:48,120 --> 02:45:51,600
Speaker 8: us as African folks who were born in America, who

2848
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:56,080
Speaker 8: can trace our ancestry who built this country. What he's

2849
02:45:56,120 --> 02:46:00,200
Speaker 8: also doing is attacking our right to the resources to

2850
02:46:00,320 --> 02:46:03,360
Speaker 8: the land here, all right.

2851
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,760
Speaker 1: And what does that mean? Do you think this means

2852
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:11,360
Speaker 1: this silence that the talk of reparations. Then if that's

2853
02:46:11,440 --> 02:46:13,960
Speaker 1: the case, if they're effective in doing this, and he's

2854
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:15,800
Speaker 1: got to you know, it's the Supreme Court is brow

2855
02:46:15,879 --> 02:46:17,960
Speaker 1: and tat all. The Supreme Court, there's a good chance

2856
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:20,360
Speaker 1: that they may rub a stamp because everything that he's

2857
02:46:20,400 --> 02:46:22,480
Speaker 1: asked him to do, they've done it. What does this

2858
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:26,200
Speaker 1: mean for reparations? Does that silence representation voices.

2859
02:46:28,600 --> 02:46:31,040
Speaker 8: It doesn't silence our voices. But I think that we

2860
02:46:31,280 --> 02:46:37,920
Speaker 8: be we'd be beyond naives to think that he's going

2861
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:41,920
Speaker 8: to pay reparations to those of us who would descend

2862
02:46:41,959 --> 02:46:44,160
Speaker 8: from chattel slavery. He's not going to be the one

2863
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:46,680
Speaker 8: we got to keep fighting for. It doesn't mean we

2864
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:49,520
Speaker 8: stapp the fight, but he's not going to be the

2865
02:46:49,560 --> 02:46:51,760
Speaker 8: one to listen to us. So I think that we

2866
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:54,480
Speaker 8: got to be real clear about that. It doesn't mean

2867
02:46:54,959 --> 02:46:58,800
Speaker 8: stop the fight. It means we engage more vigorously. But no,

2868
02:46:59,080 --> 02:47:04,200
Speaker 8: he's not friendly reparations. I mean also think about we're

2869
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:08,480
Speaker 8: talking about ourselves as black people. Have you seen what's

2870
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:12,000
Speaker 8: happening to the Indigenous people of this land that just

2871
02:47:12,200 --> 02:47:18,199
Speaker 8: days before Thanksgiving he rounded up an Indigenous person who's

2872
02:47:18,360 --> 02:47:23,600
Speaker 8: registered as a member of an indigenous tribe rounded her up.

2873
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:26,680
Speaker 8: Have you seen the number of Indigenous people who are

2874
02:47:26,760 --> 02:47:30,400
Speaker 8: being rounded up by ice and threatened with deportation on

2875
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:35,520
Speaker 8: their own stolen land. No, he's not friendly to black reparations.

2876
02:47:35,600 --> 02:47:38,840
Speaker 8: He is not friendly to even the Indigenous people of

2877
02:47:38,920 --> 02:47:42,840
Speaker 8: this land. What Donald Trump is doing is trying to

2878
02:47:44,400 --> 02:47:47,400
Speaker 8: double down on the theft of the land and the

2879
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:51,400
Speaker 8: theft of our labor, and the theft of black people

2880
02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:55,800
Speaker 8: as a stolen body of labor in life.

2881
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Finally, just checking a twenty nine minutes away from the

2882
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:00,920
Speaker 1: top day, I would talk to me Lee Abdullah. Some

2883
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 1: of you may recall she was a vice pessional presidential

2884
02:48:03,640 --> 02:48:07,080
Speaker 1: candidate with Corneill West in the last election. She's also

2885
02:48:07,280 --> 02:48:10,640
Speaker 1: the founding met with Black Lives. No matter the previous

2886
02:48:10,680 --> 02:48:13,840
Speaker 1: guest that doctor Milina said that we need another Gary movement,

2887
02:48:13,879 --> 02:48:16,680
Speaker 1: another meeting of Black power moving Garret, we need to

2888
02:48:17,160 --> 02:48:19,959
Speaker 1: fashion a black agenda. Your thoughts.

2889
02:48:21,320 --> 02:48:25,040
Speaker 8: For sure, And I'm really really grateful that there's organizations

2890
02:48:25,120 --> 02:48:29,920
Speaker 8: like Community Movement Builders. We just had a few months ago,

2891
02:48:30,840 --> 02:48:34,840
Speaker 8: and they gather us every other year for the Black

2892
02:48:34,959 --> 02:48:40,240
Speaker 8: Radical Organizing Convention. We just gathered in Cleveland a couple

2893
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:43,680
Speaker 8: months ago for the Movement for Black Lives Convening. These

2894
02:48:43,800 --> 02:48:48,240
Speaker 8: things are happening and will continue to gather. I think

2895
02:48:48,280 --> 02:48:52,120
Speaker 8: it's also important that we gather locally, and so we

2896
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:56,440
Speaker 8: want to encourage everybody to join a BLM grassroots chapter.

2897
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:00,320
Speaker 8: There's fifty two chapters all around the country. And if

2898
02:49:00,400 --> 02:49:03,240
Speaker 8: that's not your thing, then get down with something that

2899
02:49:03,400 --> 02:49:06,840
Speaker 8: is your thing. Harriet's wildest dreams in DC is around.

2900
02:49:07,040 --> 02:49:10,920
Speaker 8: We love for folks to organize with Harriet's. There's lots

2901
02:49:10,959 --> 02:49:13,840
Speaker 8: of different organizations. I think you're absolutely right.

2902
02:49:14,480 --> 02:49:15,400
Speaker 5: The only thing.

2903
02:49:15,560 --> 02:49:18,920
Speaker 8: And again we were with the son of Umia Jamal

2904
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:24,000
Speaker 8: last Tuesday and Jamal Ibn Lomiah was saying, the only

2905
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:26,920
Speaker 8: thing that's gonna protect us, the only thing that's gonna

2906
02:49:26,920 --> 02:49:31,000
Speaker 8: advance Black people right now is ourselves. So we have

2907
02:49:31,280 --> 02:49:34,480
Speaker 8: to double down on organized and we can't be looking

2908
02:49:34,600 --> 02:49:38,360
Speaker 8: to even there. I'm glad that I get to point

2909
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:41,600
Speaker 8: to some good folks who are in office. Right. I'm

2910
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:45,520
Speaker 8: really really impressed with what the mayor of Chicago is doing,

2911
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:50,120
Speaker 8: really impressed with him, really impressed with the willingness of

2912
02:49:50,360 --> 02:49:53,480
Speaker 8: Ilhan Omar to say, look, Donald Trump wants to come

2913
02:49:53,560 --> 02:49:57,160
Speaker 8: for me, come for me, right. I'm really impressed with

2914
02:49:57,320 --> 02:50:00,920
Speaker 8: folks like that. And they can't we can't be saying

2915
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,200
Speaker 8: they got it and so we can be quiet. We

2916
02:50:03,280 --> 02:50:05,640
Speaker 8: got to say they need to keep fighting and they

2917
02:50:05,720 --> 02:50:08,879
Speaker 8: need us to fight even harder so that they can

2918
02:50:08,959 --> 02:50:11,920
Speaker 8: be strong. And so the people are the answers. So

2919
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:14,800
Speaker 8: get with an organization and the words requireing to ray

2920
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:16,959
Speaker 8: organize organized organized.

2921
02:50:17,800 --> 02:50:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saint Vein. Though you know, the previous guests talked

2922
02:50:20,400 --> 02:50:23,560
Speaker 1: about the fact that we need an agenda. We don't

2923
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:26,400
Speaker 1: have a sort of a leadership. We don't have. I

2924
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:30,000
Speaker 1: guess when people think about black leaders. And again, regardless

2925
02:50:30,040 --> 02:50:33,280
Speaker 1: of how you feel about Reverend Jackson, at least he

2926
02:50:33,400 --> 02:50:36,760
Speaker 1: spoke up for us. He says, the silence is deafening

2927
02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:41,360
Speaker 1: from our civil rights groups and from the Congression Black Caucus,

2928
02:50:41,440 --> 02:50:43,560
Speaker 1: all these We're being hit left and right. Every other day.

2929
02:50:43,600 --> 02:50:46,720
Speaker 1: There's some rights being stripped away, or being silenced, or

2930
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:50,520
Speaker 1: or being erased at some point, but there's no pushback.

2931
02:50:51,160 --> 02:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, So why is this? So are we waiting

2932
02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:58,240
Speaker 1: for somebody else, another leader to step up to lead

2933
02:50:58,360 --> 02:51:01,720
Speaker 1: us out of this? You know, I guess what we

2934
02:51:01,879 --> 02:51:06,920
Speaker 1: we're trapped in right now? Your thoughts, doctor Malina, So.

2935
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:11,200
Speaker 8: You got get me in trouble now. I'm gonna say

2936
02:51:11,240 --> 02:51:14,040
Speaker 8: this one. There are people who are speaking of right.

2937
02:51:14,120 --> 02:51:17,120
Speaker 8: There are people who are being as loud as they

2938
02:51:17,200 --> 02:51:21,840
Speaker 8: can with the resources they have to speak up. So again,

2939
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:25,120
Speaker 8: I want to uplift the tremendous work that's happening in

2940
02:51:25,240 --> 02:51:28,920
Speaker 8: places like Birmingham, Alabama with our Black Lives Matter Grassroots

2941
02:51:28,959 --> 02:51:33,120
Speaker 8: Birmingham chapter. We just had another black man killed, Jamal

2942
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:36,480
Speaker 8: Williams in Birmingham. There are people speaking up, and it's

2943
02:51:36,600 --> 02:51:39,960
Speaker 8: not just in response to those attacks. It's also building

2944
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:42,680
Speaker 8: what is it that we want. We want, you know,

2945
02:51:42,879 --> 02:51:45,520
Speaker 8: schools that are nurturing for our children. We want to

2946
02:51:45,560 --> 02:51:47,960
Speaker 8: make sure that we have public safety systems that are

2947
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:51,960
Speaker 8: grounded in community, not the police who kill us. We believe,

2948
02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:54,800
Speaker 8: we know, we have a right to livable wage jobs

2949
02:51:54,879 --> 02:51:59,000
Speaker 8: where you can survive on what it is you make,

2950
02:51:59,120 --> 02:52:01,920
Speaker 8: rather than being put shout of homes and apartments because

2951
02:52:01,959 --> 02:52:05,480
Speaker 8: of lack of affordability. So there are people who are

2952
02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:09,520
Speaker 8: speaking up, but we got to remember also that many

2953
02:52:09,640 --> 02:52:13,560
Speaker 8: of those who choose to be a part of kind

2954
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:17,160
Speaker 8: of the system are paid off by those who have

2955
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:24,600
Speaker 8: interests that are paralleled with white supremacist capitalism. That you know,

2956
02:52:24,840 --> 02:52:28,720
Speaker 8: track APAK is a real thing. There's a reason why

2957
02:52:28,879 --> 02:52:33,000
Speaker 8: Haikin Jeffery says the things that he does. Track APAK.

2958
02:52:33,080 --> 02:52:37,000
Speaker 8: That's the American Israeli They call it a public affairs committee,

2959
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:41,680
Speaker 8: but it's really a political action committee, right. APAK and

2960
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:47,000
Speaker 8: the influence of the Israeli lobby has taken over so

2961
02:52:47,560 --> 02:52:51,160
Speaker 8: many black elected officials, and I mean it's almost all

2962
02:52:51,240 --> 02:52:54,120
Speaker 8: of them. The ones who dare to speak up, like

2963
02:52:54,200 --> 02:52:57,400
Speaker 8: a Jamal Bowman, like a Cory Bush, even like an

2964
02:52:57,680 --> 02:53:01,000
Speaker 8: ilhan Omar, who they haven't been successful in ousting yet

2965
02:53:01,720 --> 02:53:04,920
Speaker 8: they are targeted. And those of us who aren't even

2966
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:09,120
Speaker 8: elected a pack and the Israeli lobby target So if

2967
02:53:09,160 --> 02:53:11,560
Speaker 8: people look up why I'm in the news right now,

2968
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:15,199
Speaker 8: it's because I'm under attacked by the Israeli lobby. Those

2969
02:53:15,280 --> 02:53:18,240
Speaker 8: of us who dare to say, don't send billions of

2970
02:53:18,440 --> 02:53:23,960
Speaker 8: US tax dollars to Israel to genocide the Palestinians. We

2971
02:53:24,120 --> 02:53:26,840
Speaker 8: need those dollars at home to make sure our folks

2972
02:53:26,879 --> 02:53:30,760
Speaker 8: are housed. We are directly attacked. Our lives are threatened

2973
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:35,680
Speaker 8: by a pack, and so they have bought off a pack,

2974
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:40,920
Speaker 8: and this Israeli lobby have bought off so many elected

2975
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:45,240
Speaker 8: officials that all, okay.

2976
02:53:45,080 --> 02:53:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, holds all right, doctor Melline. I'll let you expound

2977
02:53:47,280 --> 02:53:49,959
Speaker 1: on that when you get back some And the question too,

2978
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:52,280
Speaker 1: do we need our own lobbying group? Do we need

2979
02:53:52,320 --> 02:53:56,959
Speaker 1: a black lobbyist special specializes specializes in helping us now

2980
02:53:57,080 --> 02:53:59,400
Speaker 1: those other kinds will help other folks with just specializing

2981
02:53:59,440 --> 02:54:01,720
Speaker 1: helping black people. I want to get your response. Family,

2982
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 1: you two can join us eight hundred four five zero

2983
02:54:04,120 --> 02:54:06,360
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We have a question for doctor

2984
02:54:06,400 --> 02:54:09,480
Speaker 1: Malina and we'll take your calls next and Grand Rising family,

2985
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:11,480
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us. It's seventeen minutes

2986
02:54:11,480 --> 02:54:13,840
Speaker 1: away from the top there with doctor Malina Abdilla. Doctor

2987
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:17,320
Speaker 1: Malina mostly may recall she was the vice presidential candidate

2988
02:54:17,640 --> 02:54:20,480
Speaker 1: on the ticket that was led by Cornell West in

2989
02:54:20,520 --> 02:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the last presidential election. Also, she's one of the founding

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Speaker 1: members of Black Lives Matter. We're talking politics at doctor

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Speaker 1: Malina right now, and she mentioned that the APAC group

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Speaker 1: that practically is in the pocket, as all our black

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Speaker 1: politicis in the pocket. That's why they're so impotent. But

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Speaker 1: what do we need I'll ring to finish your thought.

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Speaker 1: And then do we need our own black lobbying group?

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Speaker 8: Yes, we absolutely do. And we have to remember that

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Speaker 8: our lobbying has to look different, right, we can't and

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Speaker 8: trust now, I've recently become the political action chair for

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Speaker 8: my labor union. I'm a unionized faculty member with the

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Speaker 8: California Faculty Association. And I've been in these spaces now

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02:55:03,640 --> 02:55:08,960
Speaker 8: just for about six months and witnessing how things move.

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02:55:10,320 --> 02:55:18,360
Speaker 8: It's a it's a done deal. They promise, you know,

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02:55:18,680 --> 02:55:23,280
Speaker 8: these elected officials promise themselves. They pledge themselves to whoever

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Speaker 8: can endorse them, to whoever can give them the most

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Speaker 8: campaign contributions. And so while we need to absolutely advocate,

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Speaker 8: and I guess we'll use the word lobby as black folks,

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Speaker 8: we also have to remember that the game itself is

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02:55:38,959 --> 02:55:43,320
Speaker 8: a setup, and so I think our advocacy has to

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Speaker 8: look different. So yes, while we ask for things and

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Speaker 8: you know, black lives matter grass roots. We just celebrated

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Speaker 8: again last week the passage of Jakisha's Law, which we

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Speaker 8: worked with a black elected official to get passed in California.

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Speaker 8: It's a first war named in honor of a black

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Speaker 8: woman in the state's history, and it requires a notification

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Speaker 8: when somebody is killed inside a prison, jail or detention

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Speaker 8: center within twenty four hours. Named in honor of Wakisha Wilson,

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Speaker 8: who was dead for four days before her family discovered

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Speaker 8: that she died. That was powerful and that couldn't have

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Speaker 8: happened without us you know, working with one of these

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Speaker 8: legislators who's not bought us right. But we have to

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Speaker 8: remember that most of what's moved when we talk about

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Speaker 8: things like we have to change the entire economic structure

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Speaker 8: of this country, When we talk about things that are

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Speaker 8: as massive as reparations or ending police violence, or building

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Speaker 8: real systems of public safety that are grounded in community.

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Speaker 8: That's not going to come by trying to incorporate ourselves

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Speaker 8: into a system that's already rigged against us. And so

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Speaker 8: we got to do what we can do inside the

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Speaker 8: existing system. But most of our resources, most of our energy,

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Speaker 8: needs to be invested in building from the outside, and

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Speaker 8: that means making demands, and it also means building alternatives.

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Speaker 1: Got you fourteen Away from the Top, Brother Gregor's joining

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Speaker 1: us from Charlotte East Online one Grand Rising Brother Gregory

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Speaker 1: with doctor Malina Abdullah.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Grand Rising Brother Carl, Grand Rising doctor Malina Abdullah.

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Speaker 5: Yes. I want to.

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Speaker 10: Yes, ma'am, I want to call and ask you a

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Speaker 10: question about the issue of birthright citizenship. And a couple

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Speaker 10: of shows back, brother Tony Browner and Brother Karl were

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Speaker 10: discussing a possible cataclysmic event on the horizon for black people.

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Speaker 10: And when I did some research on that issue, one

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Speaker 10: of the things that kind of caught my eye was

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Speaker 10: a possible attack on black citizenship. And as you know,

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Speaker 10: President Trump has issued an executive order concerning birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 10: And what I saw up my research, going back to

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Speaker 10: the dred Scott decision and the fourteenth Amendment, I came

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Speaker 10: to the conclusion that birthright is the first right. That's

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Speaker 10: the best way I could put it, that birthright citizenship

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Speaker 10: is what places African Americans under the protection of the

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Speaker 10: United States Constitution. So when I think many other people

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Speaker 10: across the country saw that the Supreme Court is going

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Speaker 10: to review the issue, that all arguments are scheduled for April,

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Speaker 10: and a final decision on birthright citizenship Fourteenth Amendment Section

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Speaker 10: one is scheduled for possibly in June twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 10: So we got about six months for what could be

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Speaker 10: a cataclysmic event for our people. And my question is

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Speaker 10: do you think, based up on your analysis, that the

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Speaker 10: Supreme Court could possibly do something to nullify birthright citizenship?

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Speaker 10: And number two, what do you think could be the

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Speaker 10: ramifications if they do so.

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Speaker 8: Yes is the short answer to number one. Yes, if

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Speaker 8: you look at who this Supreme Court is, if you

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Speaker 8: look at all of their rulings, if you look at

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Speaker 8: even their agreement to hear this case. Remember they set

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Speaker 8: their own agenda.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I do believe that birthright citizenship is in under attack,

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Speaker 8: and I do believe that the Supreme Court could rule

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Speaker 8: to end automatic birthright citizenship. Now, initially, how it'll be

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Speaker 8: framed is, well, this is really about you know, what

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Speaker 8: do they call them? And I don't like to repeat

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Speaker 8: their language, but this is the language that they use.

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Speaker 8: Anchor babies, right, That's what they'll say, saying that this

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Speaker 8: is about anchor babies. This is about people crossing borders

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Speaker 8: just to siphon off resources from the United States. And

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Speaker 8: that's what they'll try to whip us into believing. And

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Speaker 8: they'll try to act like it's not about us what

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Speaker 8: it is. I think in very very short order, and

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Speaker 8: Trump is as much as said this that it will

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Speaker 8: be used to deport because he said he doesn't tend

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Speaker 8: to deport people for their political beliefs. And so I

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Speaker 8: think that, you know, the pledge of allegiance is going

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Speaker 8: to be made real. I think people who criticize the

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Speaker 8: Trump administration and this government, including Black people, who tend

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Speaker 8: to be the most critical. By every measure, right, every

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Speaker 8: data point says this that our citizenship are right to

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Speaker 8: this country, to this land, to the nation that our

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Speaker 8: our ancestors built in that we continue to build is

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Speaker 8: in real peril.

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Speaker 10: Wow, thank you very much, doctor Abdullah. One other point,

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Speaker 10: when I was doing my research, I came to the

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Speaker 10: conclusion that this possible transition could be a transition from

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Speaker 10: birthright citizenship to Trump's citizenship. That's the best way I

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03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:27,360
Speaker 10: can frame it. And that's what kind of you made me,

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Speaker 10: you know, think this could be a cataclysmic event for

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Speaker 10: our people. Because from eighteen sixty eight to twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 10: millions of black children have been born in this country,

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Speaker 10: and the minute they were born, they were automatically citizens

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Speaker 10: and placed under the protections of the United States Constitution.

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Speaker 10: But if the Supreme Court reaches a conclusion that nullifies

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Speaker 10: birthright citizenship as of July first, twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 10: let's just say one hundred year period to twenty one,

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03:02:01,040 --> 03:02:04,720
Speaker 10: twenty six, millions of black children will be born in

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Speaker 10: this country, but they will not be born as citizens

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Speaker 10: of the United States. So that would affect the constitutional

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03:02:11,440 --> 03:02:14,200
Speaker 10: rights and you as a person who's run for vice

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03:02:14,280 --> 03:02:18,160
Speaker 10: president with doctor Cornell West, it will affect voting rights

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Speaker 10: because under Trump it will not be automatic. We might

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Speaker 10: actually have to apply for citizenship. And if you have

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Speaker 10: to apply for citizenship, you can be denied by Trump.

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Speaker 6: And the Republicans. So do you think this is a

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Speaker 6: red alert for the civil rights community this next six

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Speaker 6: months regarding this issue?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely? I mean he said that there will be litmus

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03:02:42,879 --> 03:02:47,920
Speaker 8: tests around what entitles you to be an American. That's

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03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:53,039
Speaker 8: what she said. So yes, we should be founding the alarms.

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Speaker 8: And it's really important that we not say that this

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03:02:57,280 --> 03:03:00,800
Speaker 8: is coming. Remember he's already signed executive orders, he's already

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03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:05,320
Speaker 8: he already has this underway. That we don't go into

3120
03:03:05,400 --> 03:03:08,560
Speaker 8: a panic, that we go into a planning mode. So

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03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:11,240
Speaker 8: what does that mean for us? How do we protect

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03:03:11,320 --> 03:03:17,560
Speaker 8: ourselves against possible imprisonment, against possible deportations. Not just about

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03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:20,560
Speaker 8: the question of whether or not your parents were born here,

3124
03:03:20,600 --> 03:03:24,040
Speaker 8: because that's what he's framing it as now, but what

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03:03:24,320 --> 03:03:27,800
Speaker 8: litmus tests he'll raise about what makes you American and

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03:03:27,879 --> 03:03:30,440
Speaker 8: what beliefs you have to have. And so we have

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Speaker 8: to make sure that we have, and I think brother

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Speaker 8: Carl was raising this earlier. What does organizing look like?

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03:03:37,720 --> 03:03:40,400
Speaker 8: How do we make sure that our own communities, we

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03:03:40,560 --> 03:03:43,560
Speaker 8: keep our own communities safe. So we have to have

3131
03:03:44,320 --> 03:03:49,280
Speaker 8: organized bodies that keep communities safe and that protect each other.

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Speaker 8: That you know, that's one of the chants that we

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Speaker 8: use when we say what we call asada, we must

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Speaker 8: love and protect one another. What does that look like?

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03:03:57,360 --> 03:03:58,920
Speaker 8: Loving and protecting one another?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha?

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Speaker 8: Thanks, thank you, thank you?

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Speaker 1: It away from the top. There are cars checking in

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Speaker 1: from West Palm Beach in Florida's online three Grand Rise

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Speaker 1: and Carl, your question for doctor Ameliana Adula call there

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Speaker 1: on line three.

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: I can hear it?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, can you hear me?

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Speaker 17: I'm praised be the God I wanted to say in

3147
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Speaker 17: the classroom with Carl Nelson. We are listen to learn,

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Speaker 17: and what we've learned here today is how to focus

3149
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:37,720
Speaker 17: on what our problem is specifically is and we still

3150
03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:40,760
Speaker 17: focused on the idea of it's the miseducation of us

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03:04:41,480 --> 03:04:44,680
Speaker 17: that is causing us to practice what we've been practicing

3152
03:04:44,760 --> 03:04:46,879
Speaker 17: in the past, and it's not providing us with any

3153
03:04:46,959 --> 03:04:49,800
Speaker 17: kind of channels to move forward, and I wanted to

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03:04:49,800 --> 03:04:53,959
Speaker 17: say to the Sisterhood into Black Lives Matter, We here

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Speaker 17: in the state of Florida have a law past as

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Speaker 17: it relates to the African and African American history, infusing

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Speaker 17: in to the world of academia, and I would like

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03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:06,920
Speaker 17: to offer that law and the opportunity for us to

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03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:10,480
Speaker 17: connect on how we can work truly together to improve

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03:05:10,640 --> 03:05:15,720
Speaker 17: the educational product that we must produce for ourselves. When

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03:05:15,800 --> 03:05:18,880
Speaker 17: you leave today, please police sister, if there's some kind

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03:05:18,879 --> 03:05:21,200
Speaker 17: of way I can get in touch with you to

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03:05:21,400 --> 03:05:24,480
Speaker 17: look at a tangible product that we have here in

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Speaker 17: the state of Florida and how possible we might be

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Speaker 17: able to do some real constructive things together. And that's

3166
03:05:31,680 --> 03:05:33,920
Speaker 17: what I wanted to say to you. Car your Chill

3167
03:05:34,000 --> 03:05:37,360
Speaker 17: came home late to day because for whatever reason here

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Speaker 17: in Florida was blocked out until about ten or fifteen

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03:05:42,040 --> 03:05:45,400
Speaker 17: minutes ago, and we missed a lot of important stuff

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Speaker 17: that we take that takes place in the car Nelson

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Speaker 17: brought our classroom, and I just wanted to make that mission.

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Speaker 5: To you too.

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Speaker 17: But since I need to get in touch with you

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Speaker 17: so that we could do something for education, all right,

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Speaker 17: thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get the podcast For those who too were late

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03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:06,240
Speaker 1: because there were some technical issues, just get the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Melina, Uh, let me ask you this question, because

3179
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:12,440
Speaker 1: we're almost an out of time. In fact, we're just

3180
03:06:12,520 --> 03:06:14,920
Speaker 1: about out of time. How can folks reach you like

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03:06:15,040 --> 03:06:16,080
Speaker 1: Carl wants to reach you?

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03:06:16,959 --> 03:06:17,000
Speaker 15: What?

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03:06:17,240 --> 03:06:19,680
Speaker 1: How can they if they want to support the real

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03:06:19,879 --> 03:06:23,000
Speaker 1: grassroots black Lives Matter, because we know the money will

3185
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:25,720
Speaker 1: go to help our people instead to help the other

3186
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:27,520
Speaker 1: groups that the money is going to. How can we

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Speaker 1: reach you directly.

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Speaker 8: As brother sure, Brother Carl and anybody. Actually, you're welcome

3189
03:06:35,760 --> 03:06:39,320
Speaker 8: to email me at Malina at b l M grass

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Speaker 8: roots dot org. Melina M E l I n A

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03:06:43,480 --> 03:06:47,080
Speaker 8: at b l M grass roots dot org. Also, I

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Speaker 8: do check my own d M so on social media.

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Speaker 8: I'm doc Meilie mail d O c M e l

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Speaker 8: L y M E l And for b l M

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Speaker 8: grass Roots where b l M grass Roots on all

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Speaker 8: social media and Blmgrassroots dot org. We're putting out our

3197
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Speaker 8: December newsletter this week, so make sure people plug in there.

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03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:11,280
Speaker 8: And for Brother Carl in West Palm Beach, we have

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Speaker 8: a really really powerful chapter of Black Lives Matter Grassroots

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Speaker 8: out of Florida, mainly in Tampa, but that's not too

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03:07:20,160 --> 03:07:22,920
Speaker 8: far from you. So that's led by the parents of

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Speaker 8: Andrew Joseph II, Deanna Hardy Joseph and Andrew Joseph Jr.

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Speaker 8: Please plug in with them. They are Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 8: grass Roots Florida and so we'd love to have you connect.

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Speaker 1: There and people listening around the country. Is Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter Chapters that they can do the same thing like

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Speaker 1: you just offered to call. Can they just go to

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Speaker 1: your website and find which one is closest to them?

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Speaker 1: Can they do that?

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 8: Blmgrassroots dot org. And then if you click on our

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Speaker 8: work and chapters, it lists all of our fifty two

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Speaker 8: chapters around the country. And also we got to international

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Speaker 8: chapter in Sweden. Looking forward to bringing on a couple

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Speaker 8: of other international chapters in twenty twenty six as well.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Sweden, impressive. Thank you, doctor Melina, Thank you sharing

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Speaker 1: your thoughts with us this morning.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me, brother Carl.

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Speaker 1: All right, doctor Milna Abdua, and Black Lives Matters going

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Speaker 1: Scandinavian family, it's going out to Sweden and she just

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Speaker 1: told us. But that's it for the day. Class is dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL