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Speaker 1: Mind.

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Speaker 2: Him is Nigel.

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Speaker 1: That's Jason Hammer, known as the Hammer and Nigel Show Hammer.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special in studio guest.

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Speaker 3: He is the traffic Beast. Matt Bear joins us and

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Speaker 3: Matt normally right out of the gate. We like to

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Speaker 3: have fun. We'd like to talk about stupid stuff.

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Speaker 2: We like to talk about your love life. We'd like

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Speaker 2: to talk about all the.

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Speaker 3: Things that you do that we live vicariously through you

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Speaker 3: on But all week I've been looking forward to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: And this takes us into the murder of Rob Reiner

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Speaker 3: and his wife. Their son, Nick Reiner, is being charged

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Speaker 3: with the murders. Now, Nick Reiners had a history of

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Speaker 3: substance abuse, mental illness.

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Speaker 1: Long rap sheet, long, in.

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Speaker 3: And out of rehab eighteen times in front of our show.

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Speaker 3: Alex Berenson put this out on Twitter, quote, eighteen rehabs.

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Speaker 3: Maybe what Nick Reiner really needed was one night in jail. Instead,

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Speaker 3: he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

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Speaker 3: Coddling addicts only prolongs their misery and the misery they cause. Matt,

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Speaker 3: as somebody who has been through rehab for alcohol, take

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Speaker 3: me through your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got a DWI when I was in

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Speaker 4: my early twenties, and before that I had been busted

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Speaker 4: marijuana pipe actually wasn't the actual weed. And then later

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Speaker 4: in my early twenties, I got this OWI I drank,

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Speaker 4: you know, a large amount of Jack Daniels, and I

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Speaker 4: drove through a string of mailboxes in Fulton County, Indiana,

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Speaker 4: to the north of Indianapolis, and I always thought to myself,

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Speaker 4: the drunk tech, I'm like, you know, man, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm shameful.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad that line of mailboxes wasn't a line

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Speaker 2: But these are the thoughts you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: And were you thinking to yourself never drinking again.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm thinking to myself, I'm never going to drink again.

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Speaker 4: I'm especially not going to drink and drive again. That

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Speaker 4: is never ever going to happen. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: Gonna have to face your loved ones.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have to face the people, and they're gonna

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Speaker 4: be like, how we're responsible of you to drink, Jack

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Speaker 4: I know, I got drunk that night after you got out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: after I got out. Oh wow, And I got drunk

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Speaker 4: that night. Now, part of my play deal for this,

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Speaker 4: start how I go low. It's the art of the deal.

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Speaker 4: Except with the law with crime, and I made a

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Speaker 4: play deal. They said you either get like an exorbit

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Speaker 4: for a weekend. So I chose to go to jail

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Speaker 4: for a weekend. Okay, right, and this was on New Year.

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Speaker 4: I slept on the floor, you know. But it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in a weekend, and then after that

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Speaker 4: They were allowed to drink again, except in my case,

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Speaker 4: I was getting drug tested okay every single month. Alcohol

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Speaker 4: doesn't stay in the system as marijuana. Marijuana not my thing.

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Speaker 4: Got smoking marijuana. Obviously I got caught with it, but

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Speaker 4: I do the weekend in jail, and I get out

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Speaker 4: and I feel like a million bucks. I got drunk

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Speaker 1: Oh you felt Wait, you got out of jail, but

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Speaker 1: elated to be out of jail, to be out of jail, oh, yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely okay.

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Speaker 3: And there wasn't any feeling of should I do this,

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Speaker 4: There was remorse. There very much was the remorse and

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Speaker 4: I'm in my early twenties, I'm gonna have a drink

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I touch it. Yeah. My point being, when it

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Speaker 4: I don't believe it works just because it is up

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Speaker 2: Before the murders. And I mean, it could have been

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Speaker 1: It was on another level. This isn't just It wasn't

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Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong. This is I understand the other perspective.

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Speaker 4: For me, jail was not a if I'm going to

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Speaker 4: go steal something so I can go get codeine, or

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Speaker 4: I say you get oxy cotton, Well you better have

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna get that money. I'm gonna get to

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Speaker 3: I think the key number here, though, Matt is eighteen

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Speaker 3: eighteen times this guy went to rehab, Like, at what

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Speaker 3: point do you say, okay, this isn't working and does

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Speaker 3: the type of rehab facility matter, because let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: Royalty goes to is probably the best hotel that any

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Speaker 1: And they make a lot of money. They need customers,

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Speaker 1: which may maybe they need repeat customers right, and maybe

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Speaker 2: A business is a business.

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Speaker 4: I'm a capitalist too, but that's exactly what it is,

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Speaker 4: and I said, well, what is it kind of cost?

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Speaker 4: You know, Harbor Light's over on TIB's Avenue here to Appolis.

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Speaker 2: And I was talking to her and I said, Okay.

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Speaker 2: What is that a month? And she said five hundred.

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Speaker 4: She said, hundreds of thousands of yees. Yeah, and in

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Speaker 4: If I'm a sponsor and I'm talking to a sponseee

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Speaker 2: Going to go to, I'm not going to want to

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about if you're canoeing or

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Speaker 2: I want you to say those magic words. I want

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Speaker 4: And I don't give a damn if you can throw

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Speaker 3: Because with Alex Bearnson's comments like the number was the

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Speaker 3: and I relate this to other things in my life.

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Speaker 3: If something habitually is not working, it's time to try

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Speaker 3: If I keep betting on the Chicago Cubs and they

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Speaker 1: But what else is there?

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Speaker 4: It's a good question, you can put him back in jail.

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Speaker 4: But jail there's drugs, a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, remember back in September and Marion County jailer got

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Speaker 2: It's a box said. He got clicked down in Marya's County.

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Speaker 1: Rehab. There's nothing else. I mean, you have to want

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Speaker 2: Eighteen times in rehab.

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Speaker 4: That tells me when I was in rehab, man, I

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Speaker 4: I loved my rehab experiences, I did, but I really

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Speaker 4: I detoxed over a half dozen times medically professional? You

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Speaker 4: always detoc professionally. That's just something that I always say,

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Speaker 2: That's what you have to do.

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Speaker 4: So you can send me to rehab eighteen times, you

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Speaker 4: It's just not going to happen. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: don't believe jails a deterred. When it comes to recovery.

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Speaker 4: The addict is still going to be the addict. The

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Speaker 4: the God of your understanding and a recovery group and

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, your honesty and your courage to come

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Speaker 3: in here does not go unnoticed. Like the amount of

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Speaker 3: comments on our YouTube show Man, from Craig to Jim

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Speaker 3: to Timothy to Vic to Chris, all singing your praises

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Speaker 3: about having the cajones to come in here and talk.

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Speaker 2: About these things.

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Speaker 3: You really do resonate with so many people.

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Speaker 2: And I hope you know that well. I appreciate you

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Speaker 4: And I didn't get here by myself by any good

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, by the way I think if you're

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Speaker 1: have beer sample Friday.

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Speaker 4: Right, this is from asthma, just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you think about Like you can get

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Speaker 1: people all the rehab in the world, but like you're

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Speaker 1: mentally ill, you can't. Like if you have dementia, a

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Speaker 1: doctor is legally obligated to help you, but you can't

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Speaker 1: arrest somebody. You can't be legally forced to get mental help.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering what you think about asylums and things

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Speaker 1: like that. Man, And I'm not talking about Central State.

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Speaker 1: That's something that was effed up man, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: But something else.

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Speaker 3: Nick Reiner, like no rehab facility or even jail stay,

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Speaker 3: was probably going to help that guy. He needed mental help,

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Speaker 3: But you can't force him to go to one of

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Speaker 3: these places your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: So the question being can say in this case is

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Speaker 4: there could have put his name on a dotted line

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Speaker 4: and committed him involuntarily. Yes, Nick Reiner, Okay, it's it's

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Speaker 4: a tough one for me because I believe individual freedom

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Speaker 4: and I want people and I as sure as he'll

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Speaker 4: know if people want to institutionalize me a couple of

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Speaker 4: times maybe, And it's.

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Speaker 2: A hard one, say he moved that to the alcoholog antic.

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Speaker 4: Can you put the alcoholog and addict in in an

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Speaker 4: institution or rehab with without their will without wanting to

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Speaker 4: do that? And again it comes down to it's up

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Speaker 4: to us, and we have to make that decision. If

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Speaker 4: help they possibly can. And if they're not cognitive, if

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Speaker 4: they can't make that kind of decision, then maybe we

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Speaker 4: do need to make it for them. But it's such

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Speaker 4: a it's such an individual balance here. It just depends

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 4: We have to have the capacity to be capacity to

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Speaker 4: be the ones that say I'm ready and to make

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Speaker 4: that decisons for ourselves.

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Speaker 2: And you can't make that decision for yourself.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's a tragic and heartbreaking situation that they're

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Speaker 4: not able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Real quick.

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Speaker 4: Where can we find the podcast? It's supporting Sobriety podcast.

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Speaker 4: My partner Morninggankor Wright Hendrick and I do a podcast

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Speaker 4: being recovering addicts and me and alcoholic. We do it

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Speaker 4: for the caregiver of the people we tormented. You can

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Speaker 4: find it on any major podcast provider. We'd love to

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Speaker 4: have you taping again this weekend. Blessed to do so, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you, to your family, God bless you, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for letting me on your number one Ready

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Speaker 4: radio show, all three of you, all all year long.

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Speaker 2: I'm so blessed. Thank you,