1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about mosey on over there to the State 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: House after we get off the air today. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think they're still going to be there when 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: the gathering starts at eleven. 5 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of early. You should have done it after 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: our show. How long are they going to get. 7 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Maybe they did it at eleven on purpose because there's 8 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: something he'll be on the air. He won't be able 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: to come over here. 10 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: There's some event going on at the state House about redistricting. 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: Right. 12 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Today is org Day that is short for Organization Day. 13 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: It's where the lawmakers come back. They do it every 14 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: November and it is essentially the start of the upcoming 15 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: legislative session. Now they after today they mostly leave and 16 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: then it's not like they're they're working. It's the most 17 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: government thing ever. They start and then essentially quit, take 18 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: a break only for a couple months, only to start again. 19 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: But I believe technically is the kickoff of the the 20 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: legislative session. Right and there is some rally something or 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: other plan very vague about what's going on, but it's 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: since a port of redistricting. 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: Correct, and people are supposed to wear red if you're 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: going to go to the rotend you're going. 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: To line up with the angry red shirt to teach 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: her it spread is already red has already taken. 27 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yesterday a lot of the lawmakers they kind 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: of avoided taking any questions about some of the pressure 29 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: they were facing from Donald Trump over the redistricting. They 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: want to talk about it. And now it's come out 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: that they've been invited some of them to the White House. 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: And your good friend Scott Baldwin, could I. 33 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: Just read what I wrote about Scott Baldwin. 34 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: So Trump is inviting these lawmakers to the White House, Like, 35 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: haven't we already done this? Didn't we already do a 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Republican lawmakers take a trip to the White House? What 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: didn't get said there? That's going to get said now for. 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: The House of Representatives? 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Though, Oh, was it just the House? I thought, so 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't all of them. It was that very good 41 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: planning on his part. Then why wouldn't he have just 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: invited Was it just the House? I don't know anyway, 43 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: So our old pal Scott Baldwin, Now, let me remind 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: you who Scott Baldwin is. Scott Baldwin is a state senator. 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: He's from the Hamilton County area, and he is a 46 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: leader of I forget what, oh he is CEO, CEO, 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: COO something. He's one of the main guys at a 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: company called Envoy, which is a construction management company, a 49 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: multi billion dollar company, and that company, based on their 50 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: own website, appears to make a gajillion dollars off of 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: government related contracts. Well, Scott Baldwin is one of the 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: people who was a leader in gutting the original Senate 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: bill one, the property tax reform bill that would have 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: really helped people. And then it came out, Hey, this 55 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: guy's voting on something that his company appears to be 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: making a gajillion dollars off of. 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: That kind of seems like one an a hole move. 58 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: To not recuse yourself and a total conflict of interest 59 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: that your company's making money off something or potentially making 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: money up that you're that you're voting on right all 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: these local government contracts. So it came out that according 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: to Adam Wren Portonville Politico, he said that Scott Baldwin 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: is one of the people that is going to the 64 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: White House. Can I just read my yes, my retweet. 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: I didn't want to misquote myself. Sure, so I took 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the story the report that bald I said, wouldn't be 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: surprised if he brings some design plans for the ballroom 68 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: from his construction management company, you know, the multi billion 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: dollar company that makes a fortune off local government. If 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: there's a book to be made off government, Baldwin gets 71 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a bat signal. 72 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: We've got some construction going on here, thoughts. 73 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: But it's another example, though of a guy who will 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: go all the way to Washington, d c. If it 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: involves meeting with Donald Trump. But he wouldn't lift a 76 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: finger to talk or meet or help us when it 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: came or you most importantly, when it came to property. 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So the Indie Stars reporting that the Speaker of 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: the House, Todd Houston, said lawmakers will likely tweak the 80 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: property tax relief law, and the Senate President pro Tem 81 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: Rod Bray suggested they would review the assessment process, but 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: he ruled out any major revisions this session. 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Now, wait a second, and I guess going on there. 84 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I got into this yesterday. I did several interviews, multiple interviews, 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: and one of them was with Kayla Dwyer from Indie Star, 86 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 1: and we actually, you know, we were talking about redistricting, 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: and then we got into the property tax thing because 88 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: these two what's fasting about this is these two things 89 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: are merging together now into one thing. And so much 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: of the lack of support I think about redistricting is 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: what appears patently obvious to people that these lawmakers and 92 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: the governor there is no limit they will go to 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: to help Donald Trump, who actually really doesn't care about 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Indiana at all. This is not about Indiana. This is 95 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: about Trump being helped with better numbers in the House. Look, 96 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: if this were happening in you or Idaho or wherever he. 97 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: Would be there. 98 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: It's not like he has some deep seated investment in Indiana. 99 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: He thinks he can bully these people because they're Republicans 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: into what he wants to do. And so you can't 101 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: separate this because these lawmakers showed no effort or onus. 102 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Braun did the bare minimum in terms of lip service, 103 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, trying to make people think 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: that he cared about property taxes. But as we saw 105 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: at the end, he really didn't. And he didn't fight, 106 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: he didn't stand up, he didn't push back, he didn't 107 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: do he didn't do exactly what he's doing here, And 108 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: so these things are now merging because the public are saying, 109 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: why why didn't you guys care enough about us like 110 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: you do redistricting. And I think it's really stained the 111 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: process because clearly they can do it, they can fight, 112 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: they can dig in the governor, the general members of 113 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: General Assembly when they want to. 114 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: It shows you they just. 115 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Don't care about these spikes that you've had in property taxes, 116 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: which brings us to one of the major problems with 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: Braun is he is a habitual pathological liar. And according 118 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: to those people that he met with, this group of 119 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: conservative activists that have totally bought into his BS because 120 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: he invited him to the governor's mansion, he told them 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: all and he tried to tell me this last session, we're. 122 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: Coming back for more next year. We're not done. You 123 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: watch you just. 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: Wait, And I said, well, you better tell people what 125 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: that is. And he told these people this same line 126 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: of BS and he's and according to Houston and Bray yesterday, basically. 127 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: One saying they're gonna tweak it. The other said it's 128 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: not gonna be any major revision. 129 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: But then we come back to Braun being such an 130 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: habitual pathological liar, he said before in pressed availabilities or whatever. 131 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: Oh, no, people really like the property tax bill. It's fine. 132 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't really see any changes coming from it. I mean, 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: he can't even keep his story straight. And this is 134 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: the problem Braun is having, is that people are not 135 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: invested in Braun. People maybe invested in Trump, but Braun 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: is the same thing with property tax law. Bill Braun 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: was the ployt man on all this. The legislature thinks 138 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: he's a complete joke. Rod Bray laughs at Mike Braun 139 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: and says, you are a complete joke. 140 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: You are not in charge here. I am in charge here. 141 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: And so Braun has no just to move anything, and 142 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: people who should be on his team are at best 143 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: apprehensive and not all in because they say, you've proven 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: you can fight for things when you want to. This 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: thing doesn't help me at all. Why didn't you care 146 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: about me? 147 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: It's something that he wants to fight for. Well, okay, 148 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: so a couple of things. You say that that group 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 2: of conservative people who went to the governor's mansion bought 150 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: into his bs about property taxes. Isn't that what's going 151 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: to happen to these senators that are going to the 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: White House to meet with Trump. They're going to buy 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: into it because they're wined and dined, they're given the 154 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: grand tour, they're going to be made to feel special, 155 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: so they're going to be pressured and possibly change their mind. 156 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Here's what Trump doesn't understand, though, and this is where 157 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't expect him to. The problem is the behavior, 158 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: right this ridiculous, totally unprofessional calling out local state I 159 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: mean that seems so beneath the office of the Presidency 160 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: to be calling out local state senators for making decisions 161 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: based on what they're hearing from their constituents. 162 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: So Trump truthed out, I will be strongly endorsing any 163 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: state senator or House member from the great state of 164 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: Indiana that votes against the Republican Party and our nation 165 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: by not allowing for redistricting for congressional states in the 166 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: United States House of rep. 167 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not afraid of that because Trump did that 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: last year and Micah Beckwith beat him. 169 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, we beat him. 170 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Let's face it, Mike exists, and I take full blame 171 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: for this, and I'll I'll wear it. 172 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: But I was trying to do the right thing. I 173 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: was trying to help people. 174 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: I was trying to fix property taxes, which I've said, 175 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: no more trying anymore from this, from this part of 176 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: our show, because all I got was grief for it. 177 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: But we are the reason Michaeh won at that convention, 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: and he wakes up every day knowing that. And again, 179 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: we were trying to do the right thing, and the 180 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: end Michael was a complete fraud and failure. But it's 181 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: not like had Julie McGuire got in there, she would 182 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: have been some warrior on property tax either. So no harm, 183 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: no foul other than my dignity and trust in humanity. 184 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: But my point is Trump already endorsed Julie McGuire. 185 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Remember that. Remember he came out of Oh you got 186 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: all you delegates gott to vote for her. What happened? 187 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: She lost? 188 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: These state senters look at this and go, who cares? 189 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Your endorsement means nothing in a state senate race, Like 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: if some. 191 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: Of these state senators aren't up for reelection for three 192 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,359 Speaker 2: years exactly. 193 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Jim Buck has been there since the earth was young. 194 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: He don't care. He's ill raised a gajillion dollars, he's 195 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: got all his people in there, he's got all his 196 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: organization ready to go. Trump is gonna make himself look 197 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: so silly on some of them, not that he cares, 198 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: but it's utterly ridiculous to think that the president of 199 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: the United States, who has major inflation issues, who has 200 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: major cost of living issues, who has all sorts of 201 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: international conflicts he's dealing with, has all sorts of issues 202 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: related to national security in the border, he is wasting 203 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: his time trying to shame obscure random state. 204 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: Senators in the middle of the country. It's pathetic. 205 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: So you had a statement from State Senator Blake Dorio 206 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: said that it's been a long time Trump's supporter and 207 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: wants Donald Trump to continue to be successful, but said 208 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: that we should be focusing on flipping existing congressional districts 209 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: that are trending toward Republican anyway. 210 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, if you guys just did your jobs 211 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: and governing better, people would want to vote for you. 212 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a break because I want to talk about 213 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: what this is about for me, because I know and 214 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Nigel got into this yesterday, and I still think there's 215 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: some confusion from some people. I mean, you got to 216 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: take the social media people out of the equation, because 217 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: social media is a cesspool of ridiculous. But I think 218 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: there's some people that are confused on why I'm so against. 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: This because I always hear that you've sold. 220 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Out, you're RHIGHTO, you're a brave You're a brave this 221 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: or a brave that. Why don't we talk about this 222 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: because my thing is not about being for any of. 223 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: These people, just like I'm all equally Yeah, no, I'm not. 224 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: On anybody's team. So why don't we talk about that 225 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: when we come back? Because I think that's important. 226 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: It's kind of in Casey, it's ninety three WYBC, you. 227 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: Got a cheek. 228 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 1: Absolutism in our society is fascinating to me, and I 229 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: think it's getting worse, and I think social media plays 230 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: a big. 231 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: Role in it. 232 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: Well you got to pick a side. 233 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's what's fascinating to me. And 234 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to take a moment Bhyther it's Kenil and 235 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Casey JOm Rob, that's Casey to talk about again, Like 236 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about this many times, but. 237 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: I still don't think it's totally. 238 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Clear to people why I'm so against redistricting. 239 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: Tell me, well, because it's like I. 240 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: See this stuff on social media, and I, you know me, 241 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I just chuckle at it, and I'll I'm the sort 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: of guy who I retweet insults about me, and because 243 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: it's so to me, it is so ridiculous the amount 244 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: of effort people waste on me. I have no power 245 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: over anyone, right, I'm the radio guy. I can't vote 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: on anything. I can't force people to vote on anything. 247 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: I have no power over anybody. And yet it is 248 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: just especially now in this redistricting thing, now that it's 249 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: heating up, like just vile things from just complete strangers. 250 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: And I have to chuckle at it because it's like, 251 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: do you even know who I am? Like, I don't 252 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: have a say in any of this, not. 253 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: Do you know who I am? But do you know who? 254 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: And so then it. 255 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 4: Morphs into you reach may to one guy's insult is 256 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 4: that I'm never going to recover from this, but like 257 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 4: and the other thing that's totally lost in society's humor. 258 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: So when Bray came out with that big We're not 259 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: meeting announcement, I put out I changed my profile photo 260 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: to Rod Bray, and then I. 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: Really confused a lot of people. 262 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Yes, what still is I'll probably change that after today, 263 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: because people are like, every time I see your post, 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I think Rod Bray is bringing smoke on somebody, and 265 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I can't can't fathom why he's doing that. 266 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people took it as 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: that you were cheering him on. 268 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Right, look and and since fascinating to me, like nobody 269 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: gets humor anymore, nobody appreciates humor anymore. So I'll try 270 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: to be as specific as I can with this and 271 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: then hopefully you know, you can disagree with it. But 272 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: it's like ridiculous that people, you're a brave boot liquor, 273 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: You're you're, you're you've sold out, You're a rhino. No, 274 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: I still hate all these people the exact same way 275 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: I did yesterday or the day before or the day 276 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: before that. What this is doing is it is putting 277 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: on full display who all of these lawmakers are and 278 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: how little they actually care about you. And the longer 279 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: this plays out and the more it goes, the more 280 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: they're putting on full display all of the issues that 281 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: they could be passionate about, all of the issues that 282 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: they could say we must address this for the people. 283 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: The property taxes, the utility bills, the gas text, the 284 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: blatant just corruption and crony capitalism and conflicts of interest 285 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: in our government see IEDCDC. Nobody's saying a worried about 286 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: any of that. None of these lawmakers that are like, yeah. 287 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: Special Session, let's go, let's do this. That isn't about you. 288 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: They're showing you that they don't care about you. They 289 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: care about themselves. 290 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: They care about their view how they're viewed by the president, 291 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: they care about their own political careers. They'll move heaving 292 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: and earth for that, but they won't lift a damn 293 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: finger to help you. And until you the people figure 294 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: out and it smacks you right between the eyes. I 295 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: don't know what time this is the fiftieth time, and 296 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: start voting differently and making different choices, you're gonna keep 297 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: getting the same crappy governance. 298 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: I've said from the beginning, I don't give. 299 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: Two damns what the result of this is, because they 300 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: ain't gonna affect my life one way or another. I'm 301 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: going over there when this thing, when our show gets done, 302 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: if it's still going, I want somebody to look at 303 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: me in the face and go look me right in 304 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: the eyes. 305 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: And go two more. 306 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Jefferson Shreves is gonna change my life so much for 307 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the better. This al this circus is totally worth it, 308 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: because we're gonna get two more Jennifer Ruth Green's in 309 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: the Congress, and that will hold the republic together. 310 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: It's ludicrous. 311 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: Poor Jefferson Shreve, he's been taking a lot of shrapnel. 312 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: Well he should. He's a disingenuous fraudster. He totally should. 313 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: Now you're talking about the state senators and the state reps. 314 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: But the redistric conversation is about what the government will 315 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: do on the federal level. So what is the argument 316 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: to that. 317 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: Nothing's gonna change. 318 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: They already have control of the federal government. Are they 319 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: getting spending under control? The Republicans have full control of 320 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the federal government. They proved with the big beautiful bullcrap bill. 321 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: They can pass whatever they want. Do they get any 322 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: spending under control? Illegal immigrants still getting health care, trans kids, 323 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the trans stuff still taking place. 324 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: Yes. 325 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, they didn't do anything. Tell regular people. They didn't 326 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: do anything for affordability, didn't do anything for inflation. They 327 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: have full control of the federal government right now, and 328 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: they're not following through on their promises. Again, Eventually, people 329 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: have to wake up and realize all of these people, 330 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: the Democrats and the Republicans, they live off of non 331 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: existent boogeymen. They live off you living in fear. Oh, 332 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: you must do this or the republic will not exist. 333 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: If we don't get two more Republicans in the House, 334 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: it's all over for us. Well, how does that make 335 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: any sense? Nothing is getting better right now, and you 336 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: guys have control of everything, just like the last time 337 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: you guys had control of everything. Nothing ever changes, nothing 338 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: ever changes. I don't like Rod Bray. I don't think 339 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I don't think he's doing this 340 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: for anything other than himself, the same way Trump isn't 341 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: doing this for anything but himself. 342 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: I don't think that he's listening to what the polling 343 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: says and the constituents are saying. 344 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 3: I think if. 345 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Rod Bray got something out of this, he would do it. 346 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: But there's no win for him. He's not running for 347 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: US House. He's not gonna get one of those seats. 348 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: He has a super majority right now. He doesn't do 349 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: anything that he doesn't want to do, So why would 350 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: he invest all this time and effort in something that 351 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: gives him nothing? 352 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: Are you concerned at all about federal dollars being cut 353 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: from Indiana. 354 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: No, I think that'd be great. I think if we 355 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: showed just how petty Donald Trump is. Think about that. No, 356 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: s arguably no state has done more for Donald Trump 357 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: than Indiana. They've been so good to him. And clearly, 358 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: based on the comments of Braun, Trump is showing you 359 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: he's so petty that if you don't do this one 360 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: thing m hm oh, he's going to take money from you. 361 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: That's our government, that's who runs us. This is so 362 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: much bigger than this redistricting conversation. And at the end 363 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: of the day, the guy who I want expose the 364 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: most and I want to suffer the most is the 365 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: guy who's getting exposed and suffering the most. 366 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: And that's Mike Braun. 367 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: Because Mike Braun looked me and thousands of people right 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: in the eye and he lied. He lied over and 369 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: over and over. So yes, I want Mike Braun to fail. 370 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: And I believe that if this goes down, he's going down. 371 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down with it. 372 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: By the way, you know who's already started the getting 373 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: the campaign bus rolling Todd Rokeeda. 374 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: Well, isn't that always the step The journey general to. 375 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Governor, the Roketa for governor, and look, Roketa may be 376 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: the biggest blowhard in the world. He's in strong competition 377 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: to win the award. But I do think that, like 378 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: on property taxes, Roketa would have certainly vetoted and called 379 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: a special session. I think Rokeda lives for the fight. 380 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you would ever curry it, hide in 381 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: a corner and run from the legislature. 382 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: So, like I just the whole thing. 383 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: He's in a position he doesn't have to take a 384 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: stand on the redistructing he did though. 385 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: No, no, absolutely not. 386 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: He's taken the default, easy position, which is, yeah, we 387 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: should totally do it. I'll defend the maps if we 388 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: do it. In the meantime, he's watching Braun fail again. 389 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Braun is cashing, is writing checks with his mouth that 390 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: his actions can't cash. He's all likelihood going to fail 391 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: on this the way he failed on property taxes, and 392 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: even more people are going to hate Mike Braun and Todd. 393 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: Roketa ain't gonna go work a real job. So the 394 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: only logical step for he's been avoiding that like the 395 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: plague for twenty years. So the next logical step for 396 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: him is I'm gonna run for governor, and. 397 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: Braun is handing it to him. 398 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: Micah certainly can't do it now, so they're handing it 399 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: to Todd Roketo on a silver platter. 400 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: Do you want to ask you, though, what about the 401 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 2: argument that all of this began because of a rigged census. 402 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: That's what Donald Trump is saying. 403 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: That Trump was in charge of Donald Trump was in 404 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: charge of the census. Now, you may not like the 405 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: ruling of the Supreme Court that you have to count 406 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: the illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, that's still the ruling. There's 407 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: lots of things they do that I don't like. But 408 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: Trump was in charge of this census. So if it's rigged, 409 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: the people who helped rig it, or Bill he appointed 410 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. You see how illogical this all is. 411 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: It's always about a boogeyman. It's always about keeping people 412 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: in fear. It's always about distracting you from the job 413 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: they're not doing so you won't hold them accountable. 414 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: There, did that clarify it? 415 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: I hope. So it's kind of in Casey on ninety 416 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: three WIBC, I got. 417 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: Admit, I find the whole Epstein's saga very confusing in 418 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: what way? Well, it just seems like everybody keeps switching sides. Right, 419 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: So now Trump is all on board. After month fighting 420 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: the release of the Epstein stuff, now he's like, well, 421 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: just get it out there. There's a bunch of Democrats 422 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: in there, it'll be great. So, of course then that 423 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: raises the question, well, how do you know there's a 424 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats in there? What do you know about 425 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: the Epstein And if there were a bunch of Democrats, 426 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you have been immediately like get it out there, 427 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: put it out there. And then the Republicans were all 428 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: against this. Remember there were only a handful of Republicans 429 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: who signed the discharge petition teaming up with the Democrats 430 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: to get this info out there. 431 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: I believe it was four, right, and to the. 432 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: Point where Trump was calling two of them allegedly the 433 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: day of telling him to remove the signature. 434 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: And then when Marjorie Taylor Green was coming out saying 435 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: let's release it, let's get it out there, Trump totally 436 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: turned on her. 437 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: Right. 438 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: And then now that Trump has said release, then all 439 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: the Republics and this is so it's bad, It's not good. 440 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: It's not what they're supposed to be doing. These Republicans 441 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: in Congress are so subservient to Trump. Now they've just 442 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: flipped the switch to like, yeah, yeah, we should release 443 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 1: all the Epstein stuff, when a week ago they were 444 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: like no, no, don't sign that discharge petition. 445 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: Oh, they kept that woman out of Congress for a month. 446 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: And wasn't Thomas Massey from Kentucky behind this as well, 447 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: and him and Trump are in a big fight. 448 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: They kept that Democrat woman who won the special election. 449 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: They were so against this Epstein stuff coming out that 450 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: they kept that woman who won the special election out 451 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: of Congress for a month, they hid behind the government 452 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: shut down because she was going to be the deciding 453 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: signature on the discharge petition. 454 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: So this doesn't make any sense to me on one. 455 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: I mean one, it's just a horrible indictment of our 456 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: Congress that they are so afraid of subservient to Trump 457 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: that whatever he says, they have no core conviction anymore, 458 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: no check in bounce whatsoever. 459 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: We're for it, we're against it, we're this, we're that Trump. 460 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm against it now. 461 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm for it, But like, doesn't make any sense. And 462 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: then the Democrats now they appear to be on the 463 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: verge of flipping again. They were all like, yeah, release 464 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: the files, but the people were like, why didn't you 465 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: release the files when you had full control of the government. 466 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: Don't know, release the files. 467 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: But now that the Republicans are for it, they appeared 468 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: to more of a like, yeah, maybe we shouldn't release 469 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: the files. 470 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: This is just maddening case. It's maddening. 471 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: So the House, they're expected to vote today on the 472 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: Epstein Files Transparency Act, and that would require the DOJ 473 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: to release all of the records on Epstein. Chuck Schumer 474 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: was recently asked that question, why wouldn't the Epstein files 475 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: have been released in the past four years? 476 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 5: Just I guess a question that's out there. 477 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they have been released the last four years 478 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: when President Fiden was in office? 479 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 6: Well, that's the question every American is asking. Not every American, 480 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 6: but so many Americans are asking, what the hell is 481 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 6: he hiding? Why doesn't he want them released? When you 482 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 6: don't want something like that, it's released, when even a 483 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 6: whole lot of Republicans are calling for the release his 484 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 6: own party members, people ask the question, what's he hiding? 485 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: Who is he? 486 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 6: I'd be answered, who is he? 487 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: Didn't he talking about? 488 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 7: No? 489 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: No, no, sirond Trump. 490 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's my point. The question, sir, And this 491 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: is what these politicians do. They just answer whatever question 492 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: they want to answer. No, sir, The question was, why 493 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't you, mister Schumer, when you were the leader of 494 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: the Senate and at full control of the government from 495 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: what was it twenty to twenty two, twenty one and 496 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty two? Why didn't you, sir, release the files? Why 497 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: didn't Joe Biden release the files? 498 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 7: Well? 499 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: I know part of that is because it was still 500 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: under investigation, right, and they couldn't release something he was dead. 501 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: What do you mean it was under investigation. 502 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: They were still having trials and he. 503 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: Was dead dead. That's as an investigator is going to get. 504 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: He was dead the ead Donzo. 505 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: Well, here's what Donald Trump had to say about it 506 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: in the Oval office. 507 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 7: Here's what I want. We have nothing to do with 508 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 7: Epstein and Democrats too. All of his friends were Democrats. 509 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 7: You look at this Riedhoff, and you look at Larry Summers, 510 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 7: Bill Clinton. They went to his island all the time. 511 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 7: Many of this or all Democrats. All I want is 512 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 7: I want for people to recognize a great job that 513 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 7: I've done on pricing, on affordability because we brought prices 514 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 7: way down, but they go way lower on energy, on 515 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 7: ending eight wars, another one coming pretty soon. I believe 516 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 7: we've done a great job, and I hate to see 517 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 7: that deflect from the great job we've done. 518 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: Okay, No, no, he's deflecting right there. 519 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. 520 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: First, okay, First of all, so Leaen Maxwell went down 521 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: in December twenty one, so the Democrats still had to 522 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: control the government for a whole another year. So you 523 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: got Epstein dead, zo and this woman in jail. What 524 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: other investigation was going on. They've been at this for years, 525 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: so we can't give the Democrats are equally guilty in this, 526 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: as told. 527 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 2: By Pamboni that the files were on her desk. 528 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm not done with the Democrats yet, kay. So we 529 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: get back to the Republicans. 530 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: Now, they got this Virgin Island's delegate who was a Democrat. 531 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: They don't have representative because they're not they're not a state. 532 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: But she was texting with Epstein in twenty nineteen, like 533 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: he was allegedly advising her on out of vote and stuff. 534 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: So like it's just all the Democrats are horribly rotten. 535 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: They're totally disingenuous, acting like they care about this stuff 536 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: coming out. Now back to the Republicans who were crapping 537 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: on here. But Bondy is that who is that right? 538 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: Because she said that the files were on her desk. 539 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: This is why people just hate the government, because I 540 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: think the average person is sitting here and going this 541 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: really shouldn't be a Democrat or Republican issue. Jeffrey Epstein 542 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: was a massive human sex trafficker. He abused countless young girls. 543 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: He clearly had clients and people he was doing this 544 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: with or providing these girls too. Just let us know 545 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: who they were, Let society take care of itself, put 546 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: these people in prison and whatever else, and then we 547 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: can all go about our merry way. But it's like 548 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: this ping pong game of well, you're for it, then 549 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm against it. Oh, you're against it, then I'm for it. 550 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: And the people are just. 551 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: Like, hey, this is a really big deal, Please tell 552 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: us the truth. 553 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is not even the politicians, 554 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: but it's some of the billionaires that can buy off 555 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: people that people are protecting. Donald Trump mentioned Larry Summers 556 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: he's the former treasure secretary and Harvard president. He said 557 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: yesterday that he's going to step back from public commitments. 558 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: He went on to say that he was deeply ashamed 559 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: of his actions and he recognizes the pain that they 560 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: have caused, and he takes full responsibility for his misguided 561 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: decision to continue communicating with Epstein. Part of his communication 562 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: was in the trove of documents that was released by 563 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: the House Oversight Committee. He said he's going to fulfill 564 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: his teaching obligations and then he's going to step back 565 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: from public commitment. 566 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: Well, nothing says I didn't do anything right right. 567 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: By a public announcement of I'm gonna take a step 568 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: back here. 569 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: All right and take a break Hammers. 570 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: Next, it's Kennel and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 571 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: So they had the big interview yesterday that a lot 572 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: of people are talking about many other media outlets in 573 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: the city, The Hammer Nigel Show. He interviewed Guy Ralford, 574 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: who is the attorney now for the person currently finds 575 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: himself of leaving the Boone County jail for that just 576 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: horrible shooting that took place in Whitestown. The cleaning lady 577 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: was shot. He claims he believed that she was trying 578 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: to enter the house. Jason Hammer, I want to get 579 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: into it is Jason Hammer, joins. 580 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: Is now Hammer Hello, Hello, Hello. 581 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So I listened to the full uh interview that 582 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: you guys did with Guy Relford, who is the attorney 583 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: for this this guy. I'm gonna be very interested to 584 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: see what the defense is because Ryan Hendrick was on 585 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: with us earlier. From the newsroom, there appeared to be 586 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: no attempt to call nine to one one. No, hey, 587 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: somebody's breaking into my home. This was very quick, So 588 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: that's gonna work against him. But Ralford seem pretty confident 589 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: on yours. Of course, what's he really gonna say? 590 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, guy did it, It's all over. 591 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: But I'm like, he's seem pretty confident that this either 592 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: the castle doctrine, stand your ground law, that that's gonna 593 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna help him. 594 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 5: So it comes down to what would you have done 595 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 5: against what the law is? Right, Okay, because I hear 596 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 5: a lot of people say, well, why didn't he yell 597 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 5: out the door, Why didn't he say back up? 598 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: Anybody move, I'll blow your head off. 599 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: Not everybody is over the top bombastic right, that's what 600 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 5: I would do. But not everybody is over the top. 601 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 5: Some people are very shy, some people are bashful. Some 602 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 5: people it's the reason why they have a weapon to 603 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 5: protect their family because they're not an alpha, so to speak. 604 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: Right, And it's not the law. Again, I am no lawyer. 605 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 5: Let me make that privacy shocking, right, It's not the 606 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 5: law that you have to tell somebody that's trying to 607 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 5: come into your house to stop and back away. So 608 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 5: it's going to come down to, I think guy trying 609 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 5: to position what the law really is compared to what 610 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 5: other people would have done. And the interesting thing to 611 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: me is the castle doctrine. It's either gonna be as 612 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 5: simple or as easy as this can you prove to 613 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 5: this court, the judge, the jury, or whoever it is 614 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 5: that the door is part of the area that is 615 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: with the castle doctrine. And do you feel your life 616 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 5: was in danger? 617 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: Because it's got to be. 618 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: And you are one hundred percent right for all these 619 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: people who are well, I would if you don't know 620 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: what you would do. And that's going on, you know, 621 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: I have any idea until it's it's going down. 622 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: And again I'm gonna go back to something you said earlier. 623 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 5: How come he didn't call the police department or nine 624 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 5: one one or something. It's my understanding he called nine 625 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: one one after the shooting, right, But when this is 626 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 5: all going down, you don't have time. I've had somebody 627 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 5: try to kick in my front door years ago at 628 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 5: my old house, and when this kind of thing happens, 629 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 5: like I didn't call the police right away. You've got 630 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 5: to get some lunatic away from your door. 631 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: Well and so and yeah, and so, I didn't want 632 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: anybody think I'm saying, Oh, he definitely shouldn't. 633 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: I'm saying that. 634 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be one of the questions that's 635 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to be answered, is was there If I'm 636 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: a jur right, Like, if I'm just trying to put 637 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: myself I'm a jur now you're gonna get instructions and 638 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: then you can sider kid. But I'm just thinking, like 639 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, That's one of the 640 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: questions I'm gonna be asking myself, is did this guy 641 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do something other than what he did? 642 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: It would have been reasonable, would be safe to say, Hey, 643 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: a reasonable person might have fill in the blank and 644 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna. 645 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: Have to address. 646 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 5: Right, And I see your YouTube chat, our YouTube chat, 647 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 5: the people on Twitter. You know, everybody has got a 648 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 5: different opinion, right, A lot of both sides of the 649 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 5: argument here. But let's just for argument's sake, say that 650 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 5: this guy waited until the door was opened. 651 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: What if it wasn't a cleaning lady. 652 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: What if it was some lunatic who had a gun 653 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 5: of his own and started firing at him right away, 654 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 5: Like you see where he's coming from. If he really 655 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: thought his life was in. 656 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: Danger, He's woke up from a sleep. 657 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: He was early in the morning, wasn't it. 658 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 5: And it was dark like some people are saying the 659 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 5: sun was out. No, it was dark, and it gets 660 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: pretty freaking dark in Indiana. Right, you can't see outside 661 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: of dark, right, you know it was dark. 662 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: Didn't know who it was? 663 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 5: Heard keys jiggling, somebody trying to get down this door. Yeah, 664 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 5: and two things can be true. Right, Could he have 665 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 5: been maybe more chill? 666 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. 667 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 5: It's not for me to say. But also it's okay 668 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 5: to say that this was just an accident too. I 669 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: don't think this guy in the home was like stalking 670 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: somebody waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger. 671 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 5: I think he reacted because he thought something bad was. 672 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 3: Going to happen. 673 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 5: I don't think he wanted to kill this person. I 674 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 5: don't think he was, you know, doing it intentionally because 675 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 5: they were hispanic or whatever. I just think it's a horrible, 676 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 5: horrible accident. 677 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: Did Guy Rufford say anything. Does he believe that there's 678 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: any sort of advocacy groups that are wanting to change 679 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: the castle doctrine? 680 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 5: Not yet, but there will be some politician will make 681 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 5: this about themselves. It's going to be somebody's you know, 682 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 5: anti gun thing. I'm sure you know Cadora or one 683 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 5: of these guys that have been traditionally anti gun. 684 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: This is going to be like their big campaign thing. 685 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 5: But they're just using it for political purposes. But as 686 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 5: of right now, no, But as a betting man, if 687 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 5: I had degenerates next door money to push in the 688 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 5: middle of the table, I'd say, sure somebody's going to 689 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 5: do that. 690 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: Uh okay. 691 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: I was listening to every of you guys did with 692 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: Guy Ralford last night, and right you go back and 693 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: listen again, wait till noon. 694 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: We don't care what you do during cats, but it's 695 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: a really good interview. 696 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: And I was well listen to that, thinking, you know, 697 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: Guy re Elford is in a really interesting position because 698 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: obviously this is a horrible event. This guy is looking 699 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: at potentially a long time in prison if he were 700 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: to be convicted. So there's a serious and somebody died, right, 701 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a horrible event. But this is like 702 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: what Guy Relford lives for, are these sorts of cases. 703 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: So it's this weird sort of dichotomy of on one 704 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: end of the super serious thing and obviously it's horrible 705 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: what happened, but then there's like this is his life, 706 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: these are the things he's dedicated his life too. 707 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: And now he's back in the arena and we talked 708 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: about this yesterday. Guy gets offered. 709 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 5: To take a lot of cases, right, I mean, he 710 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 5: is probably the best two way attorney in America. 711 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 3: He's the best at Indiana. I think he is one 712 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: of the best in America. So for him to take 713 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: this case. 714 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 5: It tells me he believes that something wrong may happen here. 715 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: So again, I think this is going to be really interesting. 716 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 5: It's a matter of your feelings against what the law is, 717 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 5: and sometimes the law does not care about your feelings. 718 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 5: The other thing to keep in mind, let's just say 719 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 5: this goes to a jury case, You've got to hope 720 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 5: and pray that the jury does things by the law, right, 721 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 5: because I've been a juror on a case before where 722 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 5: I had some idiot that was actually a teacher at 723 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 5: Warren Central that quote did not want to send a 724 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 5: young black man to prison end quote, because he was 725 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 5: seventeen years old, even though it was a murder case. 726 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 5: So you deal with these types of idiots on a jury, 727 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 5: you just hope they know and abide by what the 728 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 5: law is in Indiana. 729 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: That's all you can ask for. 730 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: Can't let your feelings get in the way of facts. 731 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 1: But from Ralpher's perspective, always got to do is get 732 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: one person to believe his side. 733 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: That's it. 734 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy didn't go to prison as well 735 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: as you get one person to believe your side. 736 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 5: And I'm willing to see if this goes to plea 737 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 5: if you know, charges are lowered. 738 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: Voluntary manslaughter is pretty hard core. Not involuntary. It's voluntary. Yeah, 739 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: it's bad. I mean that's what I'm saying. Hey, what's so, 740 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: what's coming up? This afternoon. The governor scheduled to be 741 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 3: in studio five o six. 742 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: I know you do. 743 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 5: Uh five oh six, that's when he will join us, 744 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 5: and uh, you guys don't want to miss that. 745 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Hammer. It is Kendelly Casey on ninety three w 746 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: ib C