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Speaker 1: Casey, there are updates. What are you talking about, Rob?

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Speaker 2: We have an update on that story that we covered

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Speaker 2: office were allegedly viewing artificial intelligence pornography deep fakes.

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Speaker 1: This is the most crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like I've been covering Indiana politics and government on and

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Speaker 1: This is the craziest story I think I've ever heard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is pretty outstanding.

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Speaker 2: And the guy who broke the story we talked about

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Speaker 2: this yesterday. He is a national freelance journalist. His name

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Speaker 2: is Tom Lobiancle. You probably know him best. He wrote

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Speaker 2: WIBC hotline because we have updates.

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Speaker 1: Let's read the headline.

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Speaker 2: Inde prosecutor probes topless, deep fake, Haggard blast, pornographic smear

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Speaker 2: of his wife.

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Speaker 1: Tom Lobiancle joins us now to tell us all. Tom Hello,

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Speaker 1: hey guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as one of my sources told me yesterday, this

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Speaker 3: the state House since Dwayne Brown was sucking women's toes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's start with there's two big things that

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Speaker 2: you revealed this morning. One is Craig Haggard has gone public.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, yet so State Representative Craig Haggard represents suburban

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Speaker 3: that her singing at a charity event for mental health

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Speaker 3: State House leadership, rather than expressing concern for a victim

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Speaker 3: leakers mode, seeking to cover up any role the Lieutenant

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Speaker 2: Okay, So is it safe to say then, obviously you

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, and he's not the only one, as we

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Speaker 3: report here. So the Mary County Prosecutor's Office yesterday began

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Speaker 2: Okay, Tom Labianco is our guest. He's a freelance journalist.

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Speaker 2: You know him from Fox News, MSNBC, the Associated Press,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. He is at the center of the stories.

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Speaker 2: Wrote these stories involving allegations of deep fake pornography being

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Speaker 4: So last night, Lieutenant Governor Beckwith he had a town

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Speaker 4: He said, it's baseless allegations. You have cited some anonymous sources.

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Speaker 4: I guess Tom, people are questioning, where's the proof in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's I mean, it's a good question, right,

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Speaker 3: And then I call you up and you're like, all right,

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Speaker 4: You had mentioned just in this previous answer, there have

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Speaker 1: You're a national guy.

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Speaker 2: How does a story like the even end up on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's starting to generate national interest. And I

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Speaker 4: Tom Lavillanco's joining us, and my question for you, Tom.

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Speaker 4: Your article states that the Marion County Prosecutor's office has

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Speaker 4: begun interviewing people regarding the Deep Fake video, and unless

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Speaker 3: Could be you know, I don't know, as you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tom, obviously this is like a daily thing. Now.

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Speaker 2: assume you'll have a lot more coming out. How can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, head on over to twenty four site dot news.

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Speaker 3: That's the number, twenty four to two four sight News.

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Speaker 3: I've got the latest story up there. I am deep

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Speaker 3: in the reporting on this. This thing is rapidly developing,

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Speaker 3: and I will be updating as soon as I find

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Speaker 3: out reportable. Don't. We don't do rumors any of that junk,

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Speaker 3: all right, it's got to get the hard stuff, all right.

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Speaker 3: So as soon as I get something hard, nail it down.

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Speaker 3: There'll be another.

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Speaker 1: One, all right, Tom Lobianco. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, excellent, Thank you guys,