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Speaker 1: Rolling along Thursday edition a quiring company. Here on the

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Speaker 1: fan again coming up, big show lined up for you.

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Speaker 1: We will talk a little Notre Dame Football Tom Noyd

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Speaker 1: joining us about thirty minutes from now, but joining me

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Speaker 1: now on the always busy and available again to be

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Speaker 1: sponsored guest line. Booger MacFarland is of course a football

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Speaker 1: analyst with ESPN, and I have always said, as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, when I have done interviews with them

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Speaker 1: in the past, I've always said I think was the

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Speaker 1: final piece towards getting the Colts a Super Bowl title,

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Speaker 1: because when he went in there on that defensive line,

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Speaker 1: everything changed. Everything changed when Booger McFarland became a cult.

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Speaker 1: But he joins us now to talk a little football,

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Speaker 1: including the Colts. I would assume, Booger, how are you

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Speaker 1: doing well?

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Speaker 2: Man? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: We are good.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's the time of year where like it's not

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Speaker 1: hope springs eternal, I guess it's fall springs eternal. But

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Speaker 1: every team feels good about themselves at this point, right,

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Speaker 1: And we could talk with you both professionally and collegiately,

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Speaker 1: but let's begin with the NFL and your old team,

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Speaker 1: the Colts. Since we are in Indianapolis, obviously Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: is the quarterback they're going with. My first question for

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Speaker 1: and just being around teams, when you look at Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: who is still a young player and a young player

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Speaker 1: who theoretically has plenty of miles ahead of him. But

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Speaker 1: in going from being starter to then being benched to

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Speaker 1: back to a quarterback competition, and then electing to go

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Speaker 1: not with him but with Daniel Jones, in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: what does that do to a young player and does

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Speaker 1: that kind of stall or cease the relationship with the

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Speaker 1: a change of scenery that's necessary.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a very nice question there, and

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Speaker 3: it would depend on a lot of factors. I think

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Speaker 3: specifically that Anthony Richardson. I don't know him, I just

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Speaker 3: look at him from the outside. He seems like a

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Speaker 3: very thoughtful guy. I think, you know, based on what's happened.

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Speaker 3: If he understands the facts, and that is that he

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Speaker 3: was a quarterback that came out of universe, Florida who

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Speaker 3: needed to play to get better, and he hasn't really

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Speaker 3: played a lot because he's been hurt and because of

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Speaker 3: those injuries, his development has been slowed, which has created

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Speaker 3: a little bit of impatience, which allowed Indy to bring

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Speaker 3: in another quarterback to create a competition. Because the coach

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Speaker 3: and the GM need to win, and especially now once

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Speaker 3: mister Ersa passed, I don't think anyone knows what the

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Speaker 3: daughters are going to do moving forward, So this new

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Speaker 3: regime has to win. And I think if you're Anthony,

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Speaker 3: you got to look at it like that. Like Shane's

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Speaker 3: in a position where he's got to win to keep

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Speaker 3: his job, and he's making the decision that's best for

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Speaker 2: Not what's best for Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Anthony needs to play, he needs to go through growing pains,

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Speaker 3: he needs to stay healthy, but right now the head

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Speaker 2: So I think when you understand that, maybe.

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Speaker 3: If it will allow you not to have some harsh

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Speaker 3: will just say, you know what, if I were in

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Speaker 3: but that's kind of how I read the situation in

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Speaker 1: You know, you raised an interesting point, and you know

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Speaker 1: you obviously were part of this organization. Booger Burger McFarland

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Speaker 1: our guest in talking about the late Jim Mersey, who

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody dispute. You know, this was an

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Speaker 1: owner that was football through and through. He grew up

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Speaker 1: right and with that, and maybe when you were here

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Speaker 1: it was too nuanced to know this in totality, But

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Speaker 1: do you think that he was in fact, for example,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt.

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Speaker 3: I think he was a who hired you and let

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Speaker 2: I'll just put it that way, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: And with that, I think that there was you know,

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Speaker 1: of the fact that the last few years of Jim

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Speaker 1: saying this as an indictment on Jim Mersey as a character.

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Speaker 1: But from a football standpoint, if you had ambiguity, or

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Speaker 1: if you have it right now at the ownership standpoint,

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Speaker 1: does that make it difficult for those people to kind

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Speaker 1: terms of timeline that you talked about, does it complicate

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Speaker 3: Is Yeah, I think you can complicate things, but you

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Speaker 3: know what uncomplicated man, it's just communications. Like I think

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't be guessing like there's too much money, there's

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Speaker 3: too many people's livelihood to stake. You know, to me

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Speaker 3: that this is a conversation that should be.

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Speaker 2: Had, you know, the.

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Speaker 3: Daughters and whoever's in charge, you know, once ownership has

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Speaker 3: especially before the season. It's one thing if we were

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Speaker 3: and I don't think that or should I say, I

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Speaker 3: don't doubt that this hasn't happened. I'm just saying what

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to happen is that they should

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Speaker 3: have had a conversation with the general manager and the

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Speaker 3: and just half open dialogue. Too many times we try

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Speaker 3: least nobody is blindsided bout how we think. So I

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Speaker 3: hope the girls talk to Chris. I hope that Chris

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Speaker 3: that way everybody understands where we are, because I would

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Speaker 3: hate for our people to lose their jobs. And this

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Speaker 3: is not just Shane losing this job. If Shane gets fired,

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Speaker 3: different entire staff. So there's thirty five forty people that

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Speaker 3: go down that path, let's have open dialogue. If they say,

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Speaker 3: going to make any rash judgments or rush judgments. Then

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe you bring back Anthony at some point and

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just know that we're in a time where there's

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Speaker 3: no need to guess, like it shouldn't happen. And maybe

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Speaker 3: the girls say, you know what, we didn't hire Shane,

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Speaker 3: we didn't hire Chris. We're gonna go get our own

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Speaker 3: head coach in GM. Maybe that's the case and the

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just know that there shouldn't be any surprise is

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Speaker 3: when you're dealing with adults, grown people, and when we're

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Speaker 3: dealing with a multi billion dollar business, communication should be

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Speaker 1: How would you assess the Colts roster aside from that?

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously quarterback be as you know Boger mc farlane,

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Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important position in sports, right NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So the Colts are going with the guy that you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're kind of hoping does have that Alex Smith,

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Speaker 1: aside from the quarterback, the overall roster for the Colts,

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Speaker 2: How I think the roster is very talented.

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Speaker 3: I think most people would say that the reason the

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Speaker 3: Colts haven't achieved what most people think they should is

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Speaker 3: because the quarterback has been holding them back. Henceforth, while

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, if the Colts had let's just call it

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Speaker 3: that team. The offensive line is pretty good, like They've

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Speaker 3: they got talent, they got some young guys in the secondary.

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Speaker 3: So if Daniel Jones plays average, like top fifteen regular,

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Speaker 1: The league itself obviously has been designed and this is

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Speaker 1: up for parity, and by that I mean that by structure,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be down for multiple, multiple, multiple seasons, and

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Speaker 1: you see teams kind of come out of nowhere every year.

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Speaker 1: these guys are better than I thought that people thought

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Speaker 3: Be well, when you throw in Minnesota, now you bring

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Speaker 3: in fourteen to fifteen wins. So I'm not gonna say that,

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, whatever that is. I think they'll be pretty good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think as you as you go around, I think

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Speaker 3: Gino with the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: They can go the Raiders intrigue me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gino is a professional quarterback. And here's what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like he understands how to play the position. He understands

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Speaker 3: what not to do is go great, Nah, But Geno

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Speaker 2: Gonna be really good.

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Speaker 3: With how they play the football, they can run it

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Speaker 1: Do you see football differently now than you did as

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to, just because it's so

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Speaker 2: Different than the game that we played, you know.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I get amongst guys who I play with,

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Speaker 2: So the game has just changed. It doesn't mean it's worse.

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Speaker 3: It's just that because of the safety and because of

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Speaker 1: I want to discuss real quick college football with you,

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Speaker 1: Booker McFarland before let you go. Of course, football analysts

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Speaker 1: for ESPN. I'm a diehard Clemson fan. It's going to

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Speaker 2: There was some intrigue. I liked it at four.

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Speaker 3: Once they went to twelve, I was excited because you

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Speaker 3: I think eventually, whether that's next year, they got to

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Speaker 1: Well, the good news if it's sixteen is that still

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Speaker 1: gets LSU a chance after they lose to Clemson on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Right, whoever loses, whether its Ohio State, Texas, LSU, Clemson,

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Speaker 2: Is still in the correct No, you're right it come

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: You're right about that because you got to you know,

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Speaker 1: are correct, Booger. I appreciate the time as always and

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Speaker 1: always enjoy seeing you on ESPN and great Insights. Look

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Speaker 1: forward to talking to you perhaps again over the course

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Speaker 2: As well always anytime. Thank you, Sir

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Speaker 1: Booker McFarlane joining us on the guest line here