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Speaker 2: He's in corner number nine, the final corner on the

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna win it? I think it's impossible to say

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Speaker 1: It'll be a drag race on the drags trip.

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Speaker 1: Off the corner they.

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Speaker 1: Guys have been through the chakin where will they come? O? No,

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Speaker 2: Alex Hello for the second time in three years? Is

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Speaker 2: Hello, hout champion again? Oh my god, thank you to

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Speaker 2: get out. He went two years without a win. Now

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Speaker 2: in too much. Will Powers won three times Power wins

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Speaker 2: at Portland and the inphasis infamous Chicane that is very

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Speaker 2: Kevin Lee ORed Cavin lanthan Coons in our Indianapolis studios.

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Speaker 2: We get set for the bitnile dot Com Grand Prix

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Speaker 2: and on Fox at three o'clock Eastern time. Pre race

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Speaker 2: seems very likely this weekend, and Kurt, we have some

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Speaker 2: developments in ownership in IndyCar. Once again, Penske Entertainment is

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Speaker 1: made it so so prominently, is the vouching that I

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Speaker 1: believe this does for the for the moment when Penske

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Speaker 1: Entertainment took over, I think my first reaction was, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this brings some real credibility.

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Speaker 2: Not that they not.

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Speaker 1: That they was lacking, not that I'm not even commenting

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Speaker 1: on that, not that you needed more of it, but

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Speaker 1: that's what it brought. And the same is true here.

439
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Speaker 1: Maybe people maybe people's opinions have changed. Maybe they haven't,

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Speaker 1: but I think you can't. You can't discard the idea

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Speaker 1: that Fox or any other you know, you could name

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Speaker 1: several of the other major corporations, but when they attached

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Speaker 1: their name to something in such a prominent way, it's

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Speaker 1: going to have a positive public facing respect value that

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Speaker 1: comes to the to the organization, and I think that

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Speaker 1: that is worth a lot.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Penske was looking for a partner. You know,

448
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Speaker 2: we've heard rumors for the last couple of years that

449
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Speaker 2: there have been groups. Goes back to Michael Andretti's comments,

450
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Speaker 2: if you're not going to invest in the sport, you

451
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Speaker 2: should sell it. Well, everyone has said that, has dug

452
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Speaker 2: into this, has said that, well, they were not interested

453
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Speaker 2: in selling, and I think that's probably true. But they

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Speaker 2: are already a partner with Fox, so they're already they

455
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Speaker 2: had This is really the perfect scenario. They had tested

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Speaker 2: out the relationship. What are they going to ask of us?

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Speaker 2: Are they going to ask us to do absurd things?

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Speaker 2: Turn the sport upside down? Make unreasonable requests? Now, okay,

459
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: we're somewhat aligned on some things. We think we can

460
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Speaker 2: work well together and By the way, we as Indy

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Speaker 2: car still control sixty seven percent of the sport. If

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Speaker 2: it comes down to a vote. Penske Entertainment has to say,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the board. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: things I read that there is going to be someone

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Speaker 2: from Fox added to the board, maybe a couple, but

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Speaker 2: that's not going to be a majority of things. So

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Speaker 2: this is just pooling together resources. Scheduling. We know TV

468
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Speaker 2: always is going to have an impact on scheduling, especially

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Speaker 2: if you want to be on network television. That's just

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Speaker 2: the way it is. Now you can work together a

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Speaker 2: little bit more and if we find if they find

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Speaker 2: there are some events that we don't think are super strong,

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Speaker 2: well maybe there is an investment. Maybe there is a

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Speaker 2: market we want to get to. East Coast is talking

475
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Speaker 2: about how do you get to what's going to take

476
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Speaker 2: someone investing in it? Street tracks are very difficult. We

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Speaker 2: see there is a lot of possibility at street tracks,

478
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Speaker 2: but it takes some upfront cost and you've got to

479
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Speaker 2: be willing to lose a little bit in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to cover that expense? Well, now you have

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Speaker 2: someone potentially to share and think about that and let's

482
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Speaker 2: all work together to find the best slots. Avoiding NASCAR,

483
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: avoiding Formula one, that's your biggest difficulty. I'd love to

484
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Speaker 2: say let's just ignore it and let's do our thing

485
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Speaker 2: and be better, but I think you have to be

486
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Speaker 2: smart because the numbers just say and by the way,

487
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Speaker 2: that hurts NASCAR too. NASCAR shouldn't want IndyCar to be on.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, they may not lose as big

489
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Speaker 2: of a chunk of an audience as IndyCar does, but

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Speaker 2: say they're getting two million, it would probably be two

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Speaker 2: point two million or two point two million if there

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Speaker 2: was no IndyCar race. There is a carryover. There is

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Speaker 2: more likely to be crossover between NASCAR and IndyCar and

494
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Speaker 2: or F one fans than there is to be any

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Speaker 2: other sport. Now. The NFL is just a behemoth, so

496
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Speaker 2: odds are that more sports type fans are going to

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Speaker 2: watch that. So you're still trying to avoid that. Lots

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Speaker 2: of questions on this. We'll get into that some of

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Speaker 2: the Twitter questions from the Xbox coming up. There's plenty

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Speaker 2: more to get to on this front, and we'll start

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Speaker 2: talking about Portland silly season questions, schedule updates, and more.

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Speaker 2: Trackside ninety three to five one oh seven five the fan, Hi,

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Speaker 2: this is what power and you're listening to Trackside. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us. Trackside on a Tuesday this week. A

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Speaker 2: reminder Wednesday next week. Reminder to the hosts as well.

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Speaker 2: Wednesdayday full two hour show next week. That is August thirteenth,

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Speaker 2: and I see we are on Tuesday to nineteenth and

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Speaker 2: Monday the twenty fifth, and that's as far as the

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Speaker 2: schedule goes. Speaking of days, Happy eighty ninth birthday Gordon

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Speaker 2: john Cock, two time winner of the Indianapolis five hundred.

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Speaker 1: You know what's when you said that? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: knew it was Gordon's birthday, but eighty nine. You just

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Speaker 1: continue to be amazed at the longevity that these guys

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Speaker 1: who raced in such a challenging era of the sport

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Speaker 1: to that they're still rolling along a j Johnny r

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Speaker 1: at the third even Roger Penske. It wasn't quite the

517
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Speaker 1: same kind of discipline of the sport, but certainly sports

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Speaker 1: car racing was dangerous too. And the longevity and the

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Speaker 1: contributions those men and Gordon continue to have on people

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Speaker 1: in the sport and the sport itself, and there are

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Speaker 1: more Mario Andretti another great example. But they're treasures. They

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Speaker 1: are true treasures, and you know we're obviously going to

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Speaker 1: reach a point where that's not the case. But cherish

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Speaker 1: them while we have them.

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Speaker 2: So I looked it up. AJ is ninety, Jr. Is

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Speaker 2: eighty seven, I believe, I think so. And what is

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Speaker 2: Let me do a quick search on Mario as probably

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Speaker 2: early eighties.

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Speaker 1: I think he's eighty five or six. You can he

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Speaker 1: is eighty five? Yeah, and Roger.

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Speaker 2: You got four legends that are eighty five plus and

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Speaker 2: Roger is eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: I think so I've kind of lost he kind of

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Speaker 1: lose track of the year.

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Speaker 2: What I so? Gordon john Cock does not do a

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Speaker 2: lot of interviews, right, correct? Correct? I wish I had

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Speaker 2: the tape, you know, when I was doing long form

538
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: coverage on the radio station back in the day, so

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: we would take the network feed they would only do

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Speaker 2: on qualifying days, maybe like the first hour in the

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Speaker 2: last hour, and then it would be me and one

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Speaker 2: or two other people filling the other four five, six hours,

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Speaker 2: and I would just kind of wander and see who

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Speaker 2: I saw. And I think Robin Miller helped get this

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Speaker 2: going for me. But I saw Gordon John Cox sitting

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Speaker 2: in hospitality and said, Hey, can we have a chat?

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Speaker 2: And we talked for fifteen or twenty minutes live on

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Speaker 2: the air about a lot about eighty two, about to

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Speaker 2: finish with meares in eighty two, and a few other things,

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Speaker 2: and that was just awesome, and I wish I had

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Speaker 2: a better memory to tell you exactly what he said

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, really one of the highlights of my

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Speaker 1: career was that year that I saw six months that

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Speaker 1: I spent visiting with as many legends former Indy five

556
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Speaker 1: hundred winners as I could as the one hundred and

557
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Speaker 1: twenty five hundred approached in twenty sixteen, and that year,

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Speaker 1: one of my excursions was to drive up to the

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Speaker 1: northern part of Michigan and sit with Gordon. Spent the

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Speaker 1: whole evening set at the dinner at the kitchen table

561
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Speaker 1: and just talked about stuff. And I didn't record that

562
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Speaker 1: wrote a story out of it, but you know, mostly

563
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Speaker 1: it's it's my memories of what a great evening that

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Speaker 1: was and how lucky I still feel that I was

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Speaker 1: to get to have that opportunity. But he's he's a treasure,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he still got his his lumber business.

567
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Speaker 1: He still shows up at work. You know, he's he's

568
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Speaker 1: still He's still everything you want your hero to be.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the Twitter box at Kevin

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Speaker 2: Lee twenty three at Kirk Cavin. Stephen Terrell sent this

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Speaker 2: in after the announcement Fox has obtained one third interest

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Speaker 2: in IndyCar. Don't think I can stomach this sadly, this

573
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Speaker 2: may end my sixty plus year relationship with IndyCar and

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Speaker 2: the Indy five hundred and he tagged a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of people again. I'll Steven's a listener and we've answered

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Speaker 2: his questions before. I'm not sure what changes. So I

577
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Speaker 2: hope that you look into this and think about it,

578
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Speaker 2: and if that's the case, you probably want to stop

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Speaker 2: watching sports because do you not think NBC, Fox, Amazon,

580
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: and Turner have some say on NASCAR? Do you not

581
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Speaker 2: think all of those networks have some say in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: And more so probably the other way around, but the

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Speaker 2: networks have some say. It's just kind of the way

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Speaker 2: of the world. The networks, the leagues need the networks,

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00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: the networks lead, the league need the league. So hopefully

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00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: you'll stay with us. Chad Schultz says, Hi, Kevin, can

587
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Speaker 2: we put you in charge of adding more ovals to

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Speaker 2: the schedule? Haha, Well no, not if I'm responsible for

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Speaker 2: it making money. No, that would I would say that'd

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Speaker 2: be I hope it changes, but you got to show

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Speaker 2: me that these work and they struggle. So I hope

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00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: that can change. And maybe that's something that Fox can

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Speaker 2: help with. And you know, if you're going to do

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Speaker 2: something like Iowa or anywhere else, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: go all. You can't just show up and expect people

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Speaker 2: to know about it. There's too much competition in the

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Speaker 2: entertainment space. You're going to have to get creative on

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Speaker 2: how you get the word out. And I am not

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Speaker 2: smart enough to know what that is. I still have

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Speaker 2: always I think billboards have something. People see billboards, but

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Speaker 2: not everybody does, because Kurt, some people are like me

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00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: and they don't leave the grid. I still hear to

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Speaker 2: the airport. If there's not a billboard on the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it. I don't drive for sixty five.

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Speaker 2: So some people are like that. So there is no

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Speaker 2: one way to promote.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt like, and we've talked about this many

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Speaker 1: times in our eighteen years together. I still think an

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Speaker 1: odd night, a weekday night show at an oval track

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Speaker 1: will work. You're not expecting a three day weekend crowd

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Speaker 1: to start with. It's got to be in a market

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Speaker 1: where it's not totally out of the way to get

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Speaker 1: to it. But you think about in Iowa on a

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Speaker 1: Monday night or on a Thursday night in the summer.

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Speaker 1: I don't see why a network couldn't justify that. If

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Speaker 1: TV ratings is your ultimate is your ultimate driving force,

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Speaker 1: if that's your motivation, then I think it can work.

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Speaker 2: So I've had a few people tweet me that over

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Speaker 2: the last few months because I was banging that drum forever, sure,

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Speaker 2: and Robin Miller used to give me credit and put

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Speaker 2: that up in the mail bag, and you know, we

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00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: had a little talk. At one point, someone higher on

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Speaker 2: the food chain than me presented and no one was

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Speaker 2: really willing to do it, and I understand. And as

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Speaker 2: time went on, I've not talked about it a lot lately.

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Speaker 2: And one because my idea fifteen years ago was there

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Speaker 2: was there were two days of the year where nothing

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00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: happened in the sports world, the day before and the

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Speaker 2: day after Baseball's All Star game, and I thought that

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Speaker 2: was an opportunity. Well that's changed a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 2: now you have the SPS, you have the WNBA, which

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Speaker 2: is in the last two years become a big factor.

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Speaker 2: Will that stay? You know? Does that totally depend on

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00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark. We shall see. But it's not as much

635
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Speaker 2: of an obvious than it was. And I understood the

636
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: reluctance by the track because they've got to make their money.

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00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: They have to have people come in the gates. But

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: what has now changed in the last few years is

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00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: IndyCar is the promoter of these events. So if they

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: feel like it's a worthy investments, then maybe And now

641
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: you take it a step further. Your television partner is

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00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: an investor. Now will you get a better rating? NASCAR

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: has tried this with so it was COVID. I think

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00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: they had a Cup race on a weeknight. They've tried

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00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: it with truck races at Eldor on a Wednesday and

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00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: they weren't that much better. But it is a way

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Speaker 2: to avoid It's getting harder and harder to avoid NASCAR

648
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Speaker 2: because they're going to want to be at three o'clock

649
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Speaker 2: in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: You know, look at this weekend schedule. It's going to

651
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Speaker 1: happen again head to head with one of their more

652
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Speaker 1: innerg hanning races. Watkins Glenn starts at two o'clock Eastern time.

653
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: Indy Car starts at three twenty, so they're both going

654
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Speaker 1: to end about the same time. NASCAR gets the head

655
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Speaker 1: start too. It's going to be tough to get a number.

656
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Speaker 1: But what could you do differently you're on the West coast,

657
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe to run it after you have the

658
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: Sun the news it's you know, well Fox. I don't

659
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: think that is important, as it's a big deal with NBC.

660
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: You couldn't do that, but you might start thinking about

661
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: and how does the track feel about this? I think

662
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Speaker 1: at a place like Portland you could think about it.

663
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: Places like Road America, you know, you can't run at

664
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Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon because people have a long drive. Portland,

665
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: big cities, that's more doable. I'd start to think about

666
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: three o'clock local starts, trying to be on after NASCAR.

667
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: If your television partner is willing to run its six thirty.

668
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: Simpsons does pretty well, so I don't know if they're

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Speaker 1: going to be willing to do that. They obviously have

670
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Speaker 1: done it once already this year, and people have asked,

671
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Speaker 1: what about a Nashville change to a night race? I

672
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Speaker 1: think is it either Darlington is that weekend or Daytona,

673
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Speaker 1: but there is a Cup race that night. So that's

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Speaker 1: why you don't want Nashville to become a night race

675
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Speaker 1: this year because you'd then just be.

676
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: Going head to head with Nascars. You actually have a

677
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: non conflict at this point, but yeah, that thought has

678
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: come across. Do you think about doing something on a

679
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: Wednesday or Thursday in Maybe it's Iowa. You know, nobody

680
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: was there to begin with, so it's not like you're

681
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: losing any fans. You're not losing very many, and they

682
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: draw more to the Knoxville Nationals on a Wednesday night,

683
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Speaker 2: so maybe you can do it there. Maybe Richmond is

684
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: a possibility. That's more in an urban market where people

685
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: don't have as far to travel so they can get

686
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Do you think about running your race on Saturday to

687
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Speaker 2: avoid head to head with Cup?

688
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It is Darlington, by the way, that

689
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Speaker 1: is on August thirty first, So yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to go head to head. So that's why

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Speaker 2: Nashville is staying where it's at, but I think they're

692
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Speaker 2: more open to nighttime races. I don't think Iowa is

693
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Speaker 2: coming back, but I also don't know that. And if

694
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Speaker 2: having OVAL's is a priority, then you might want to

695
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: think about it and do a Saturday night race and

696
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Speaker 2: give it one more go since the racing was better

697
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Speaker 2: this year, you know, unless they found another option with

698
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Speaker 2: Phoenix or Richmond or Homestead. I don't know why Homestead

699
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: would go a lot better than what it has. Richmond

700
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: is one I'm curious about. Phoenix. I'd probably only be

701
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: interested in if it was a combination with a Cup events.

702
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: You know. The other big thing about the schedule is

703
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: is there going to be a big gap? How is

704
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: that going to be avoided? Because the fans have said,

705
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: we can't have thermal, so they've listened no thermal, so

706
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: enjoy a month off. And actually the thermal owner I think,

707
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: has said, yeah, maybe we're tired of paying for this

708
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Speaker 2: all on our own. We'd like to have a title

709
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: sponsor to help with that. So I know it wasn't

710
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: the best circumstance. But unless you're going to every single race,

711
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: just watch one on TV, you know, let's not have

712
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: a four week gap in the schedule and hopefully they've

713
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: got a plan for that and can't avoid such a circumstance.

714
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: Next question. So no, I'm not in charge of obels,

715
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: but I do hope there are more, and I hope

716
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: they work, and I know that they are trying, but

717
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: it's got to work. And the other challenge is unless

718
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: you do a double header, and I know we don't

719
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: really like double headers in the industry, but unless you

720
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: do a double header, it's a one day event. Nobody

721
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: is coming to watch practice or qualifying on an oval,

722
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: so you better get creative and get a truck race

723
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: there for the day before, or and or ARCA. I

724
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: think it can help as they continue to promote Indie

725
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: Next and try to make it a higher level, second

726
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: tier series. Then that becomes your feature events on Saturday

727
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: for a Sunday Oval race, or on Friday if you're

728
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: doing a Saturday race. But that's what road courses and

729
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: certainly street events have is do you get crowds for two,

730
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: if not three days. Doug Ivy Rip Larry McClure is

731
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Speaker 2: his handle anything on Pietro Fittipality or Linas Lunquiz twenty

732
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Speaker 2: twenty six prospects. I did see Pietro this weekend at

733
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Speaker 2: Road America IMSE. I did not ask him about that.

734
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Speaker 2: I think he's probably moved on. I think he's working

735
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: on sports car programs. It would require a significant amount

736
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: of budget. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe they it's going to

737
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: take a big number. It's going to take a big

738
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: number because you have to get in line. I feel

739
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: better about Linus's chances, but I think it's still gonna

740
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: be tough for Linus at this point. So in the

741
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: next hour, we'll go down through a full Silly Season

742
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: list again and see where things stand at this point.

743
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: We'll get to more of your tweets. We'll preview our

744
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: number two coming up next on track side. This is

745
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: Alex below and you're listening to truck Site. Okay, coming

746
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: up in our number two. More from the Xbox Twitter

747
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: questions comments. We may still talk about the new Fox

748
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: partnership with IndyCar. We need to talk about Portland. Who's

749
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: good there? Who has struggled? Will maybe do the math, Kurt,

750
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: do we bother with the math?

751
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: I can do the math pretty simply, actually, so we'll

752
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: do that.

753
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the math is it's over. It's been over. Does

754
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: he clinch at Portland or does he clinch at Milwaukee.

755
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Good chance he's gonna clinch this weekend at Portland. I know.

756
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: One scenario is if Poto matches his best finished there

757
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: of fourth, Pollo just needs to finish eleventh unless someone

758
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: does the roller derby on alex Poalow, which is probably

759
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: what it's going to take for him to finish eleventh,

760
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: It's most likely going to be wrapped up. McLaren was

761
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: bad there last year. They were just slow, not just results,

762
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 2: So hopefully they have found something as far as pace

763
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: is concerned. We'll get into that. We'll talk what else

764
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: we think we might know about next year's schedule and

765
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: other stuff on Silly Season. All coming up Trackside on

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Speaker 2: ninety three five one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Scott McLachlin, and you're listening to Treckside

768
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: on ninety three to five and one I seven five

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Speaker 1: the Fan.

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Speaker 2: Our number two from somewhere close to Indianapolis. Landon Kons

771
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: is in our Indianapolis studio. Kirk Cavin is within range.

772
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee also close enough. A reminder next week's shows

773
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: on Wednesday to Tuesday night edition was still a lot

774
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: to get to Kurt. We have not talked at all

775
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: about the upcoming weekend, so before we get back to

776
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: the Twitter inbox, here are some times of interest for

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Speaker 2: the Bitnile dot Com Grand Prix of Portland. First practice

778
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: is at five thirty on Friday on FS two. Indie

779
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Next Practice gets the FS one treatment at four o'clock eastern,

780
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: So Indy Next first on FS one, then FS two

781
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: for IndyCar practice. And this is according to Bob Procriss,

782
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: who I trust with everything on his Twitter. Today Saturday

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00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: we get started with IndyCar practice at nine local noon

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00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Eastern on FS one, then IndyCar Qualifying at two thirty

785
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: five four thirty and Indie Next Practice seven thirty Indie

786
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: Next qualifying. All of those are on FS one and

787
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: just like Laguna Seka, the Sunday morning warm up will

788
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: be Saturday late afternoon because it's an early start on Sunday,

789
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: So eight thirty Eastern, five thirty Local Saturday on FS two.

790
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: The warm up show and then Indy Next is on

791
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: Sunday at one o'clock eastern, ten o'clock Local on FS one,

792
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: and Fox says the pre race starting at noon Local

793
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: three o'clock eastern green flag at three twenty two. So

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00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: we have that for us all coming up this weekend,

795
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: and then there will be two yeah, and then it

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00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: will be Ovals. It went by quick.

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Speaker 1: It really has got it, I gotta tell you. And

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00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: this might surprise him people because because I just don't

799
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: know what people as a whole think of the Portland

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00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: Racetrack and the event itself. I love it. I love

801
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: that place. It has a Christmas a crispness to the air.

802
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: I like the racetrack. It's I know Turn one can

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00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: be troublesome, but it's it's a quick enough lap. It

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00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: almost kind of gives me an Oval feel because they

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00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of run down the backstretch and they kind of

806
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: circle around in the last couple of corners and come

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00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: back down the straight away. I really like the place,

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00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: so it's it. Yeah, I like it. On the schedule,

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00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: it will not have a crispness this weekend. No, it's

810
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: going to be ninety early low nineties possibly on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the hottest that we've seen there in a long long time.

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00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: Won't be bad on Friday in the eighties, but it'll

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00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: be upper eighties on Saturday and around ninety if not

814
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: more on Sunday, so we will not have Midwest humidity though,

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Speaker 2: so it probably won't feel any worse than an eighty

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00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: three degree degree day in Indiana. A lot of other

817
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: things to get to coming up. I just read something

818
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: in the break interesting on the Fox IndyCar partnerships. Some

819
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: more details on that we will get into. Back to

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00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: the Xbox Sebring twelve fan, so oh, I buried the lead.

821
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Speaker 2: I never mentioned this. The boy won over the weekends.

822
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: I saw that twelve fan says, I saw Kevin Lee

823
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Speaker 2: watching from the top of the Turn five grand stands

824
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Speaker 2: and he had his show no favoritism sports broadcaster face

825
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: on out of professional habit akevo we would have allowed

826
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Speaker 2: the proud dad at least a celebratory fizz pump if

827
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Speaker 2: not a hell yes and Lynn drive for seven. Lynn

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Speaker 2: Underscore IndyCar asks if Kurk Cavin can get Jackson on

829
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Speaker 2: trackside this week and also again as of many looking

830
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: at the pictures wondering about his height, Yes, he is

831
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Speaker 2: six foot four and that is Mom's side of the family.

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Speaker 2: So Jackson's unavailable because he's onto the next racetrack. He

833
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: hasn't been home for two weeks, he went from Mid Ohio,

834
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: drove to Road America. Then Sunday after his race he

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00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: flew to Limerock. So he was working at Lucas Oil

836
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: School last week. I think he's doing skip barber this

837
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: week and I think he will fly to a cart

838
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: race after this. So it's good to have a job.

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Speaker 2: So here are details of the race. So Jackson was

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00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: racing for Wayne Taylor Racing, which is one of the

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00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: top teams. Its own by Dan Twis and the TWG

842
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: group and Wayne Taylor obviously, who is a former race

843
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Speaker 2: winning driver, and he's built a very successful sports car

844
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Speaker 2: program and they have teams at every level, the Weather

845
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Speaker 2: Tech GTP level, the GTD level, and then in the

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Speaker 2: single make series Lamborghini Super Trafeo and Jackson was in

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00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: the Pro Am car, which is the second of the

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Speaker 2: four classes, and his teammate was Trent Henman, who also

849
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: was a former Team USA scholarship winner several years older

850
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Speaker 2: than Jackson, who had not raced in this series since

851
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: he won a championship in twenty eighteen, so he was

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00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 2: getting used to that car again. Jackson was getting used

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00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: to the different car and even with that, Trent put

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Speaker 2: it on poll for the first race, Jackson was the

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00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: finishing driver. So Jackson gets in and they were somewhat

856
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: competing for the overall. Danny Formow and Marcus Erickson's brother

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00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: Hampus are in the pro car, and they were dominating

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Speaker 2: up front. Trent ran third through his entire stint, got

859
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: out of the car with about a ten second lead

860
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: in class and didn't really try to overtake for second.

861
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: I think that's what was decided. Get a class win,

862
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: not worry about the overall because that plays into the

863
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 2: team championship. Was one of the reasons why they put

864
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 2: this entry together. So Jackson got in with a nice

865
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: cushion and I think tried to one kind of one

866
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: quick lap and I noticed one lap early in his

867
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: stint he was maybe a few hundreds quicker than Hampus Erickson,

868
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: who has been very strong this year. And then all

869
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: of a sudden, his gap is fifteen seconds every lap

870
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: expanded by about two seconds, so we just kind of

871
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: coasted the rest of the way. They won by twenty

872
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: five seconds in class, finished fourth overall, so that was cool,

873
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: first win that he's had in a sports car. After

874
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: a lot of seconds and Day one was the one

875
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: we were more concerned about because there's a pro and

876
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: an AM and sports car racing. I will admit it's

877
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: difficult to figure out who's an AM and how that works.

878
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: Jackson is an AM because he's a rookie in this

879
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: series and it's kind of based on lap times, and

880
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: if you've run in traffic, your lap times can stay down.

881
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: And they tend to give people a rookie year in

882
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: the series, and he'll have to move up to be

883
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: a pro next year. But he had to qualify. He

884
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: qualified fourth in class for race two, and several of

885
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: the pros were in that three ahead of him were

886
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: the faster drivers, so we thought it might be a

887
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: little more of a challenge for him to keep people

888
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: behind him in race one, but Trent gave him a

889
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: nice gap and then Jackson did a nice job and

890
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: they won easily. Race two. A thought was, he doesn't

891
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: even need to pass anybody if he just runs fourth

892
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: in class. The slower driver will be getting in that

893
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: car when Trent Hinman does, and he's just going to

894
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: blow by him because he's really really fast. Well, at last,

895
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: they all started crashing right ahead of Jackson. After the race,

896
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: he said, how did it go? Knowing how it went,

897
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: and he said, well, I passed several people in turn

898
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: one and then it didn't go very well after that.

899
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: So somebody decided to try to go three wide going

900
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: into turn three right in front of him, like two

901
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: rows in front of them. He was starting twelfth overall,

902
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: so this was like the battle from fifth to eighth.

903
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Got into the grass and he's tucked in a car

904
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: right behind him. They slow, he can't see it. He

905
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: hits them in the back punctures, the radiator fluid leaking

906
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: and has to just limp back around and park it.

907
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: So didn't get a chance in race two, and that

908
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: was the one where he's kind of hoping to show pace.

909
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: But either way, still good weekend. Got to win out

910
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: of the way across that off the books and we

911
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: will see what happens next. Next is the race in

912
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: Indianapolis in September. That was a one race deal. So

913
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: as Elio likes to say, we're open for business, call

914
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: a manager, work out a deal. We're hoping something. And

915
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: what happened with Wayne Taylor racing that it's really a

916
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: good opportunity you get to learn from pro drivers. Danny

917
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: formal is the best in the business in super Trafeo

918
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: and I think Marcus's younger brother, Hampus is going to

919
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 2: be a top level paid pro driver by next year

920
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: as well. So that's what you're trying to get to.

921
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: So it was fun and no fist bumping.

922
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: Why not.

923
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: Maybe if he wasn't up by twenty five seconds, but

924
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, if he had made a pass at the

925
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: end to win the race, maybe a fist bump. But

926
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: it was more like, Okay, I think you're smart enough

927
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: to understand, just don't crash and you win the race,

928
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: and he did so he just kind of pittled around

929
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: and won the race. I was hoping you get a

930
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: chance to race on Sunday, but that's how it goes.

931
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: If you're trying to involved. Cars actually do have break lights,

932
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: but when you're right behind him, you can't see.

933
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: If you're trying to sell sponsorship, this is a little

934
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: word of advice. I wouldn't say that that he was

935
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: pitdling around.

936
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. When you have a twenty five

937
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: second lead, should you not piddle around. That's what sports

938
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: car racing is about. You do what you need to do,

939
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: and it's about average lap time as much as it

940
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: is about the fastest lap of the race. And your

941
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: job is to give the car to the next guy

942
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: and then just manage things. So yeah, job accomplished.

943
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: So good for Jackson. Good for Jackson.

944
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: It was fun. It was fun, and on the broadcast,

945
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: which you can find on YouTube, a lot of shout

946
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: outs for our partners and really good visuals of all

947
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: the logos on the car. So here's something I learned

948
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: over the weekend, and this is on peacock and it's

949
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: also on YouTube. Just do a Google search. Apparently Super

950
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: Trafeo has a deal with what used to be mav TV,

951
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: which is now racer TV. It was rebranded recently and

952
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: they're going to reair all of the races, like one

953
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: a week of the six weekend time in the fall,

954
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: so you get a little more mileage out of that.

955
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh way back to business, Team Meadow says, who's your

956
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: pick to take the flight the fight to polo in

957
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? Already twenty twenty six, before we've crowned

958
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five.

959
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Champion, I got to think, don't you think one of

960
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: those Penske cars will be back in the mix? I can't.

961
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: That's what I can't get my head around. I know,

962
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: it's remarkable that Polo's won eight races out of fourteen,

963
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I've said that Pato hasn't had, in

964
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: my mind a really you know, grand look at me

965
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: type of season, and yet here he is second in

966
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: the championship and Kirkwood had his moments. But the fact

967
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: that Penskes haven't even been close to speak of is remarkable.

968
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: So I think one of those guys ought to be

969
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: back in the mix. But is it David Malucas, is

970
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: Joseph Newgarden, is it Scott McLaughlin or maybe even our

971
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: friend Willie.

972
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: P I think I'm gonna need to see something from

973
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: Team Penske before at this point, I am picking them

974
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: to be in the top three in the championship. They

975
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: are nowhere. They've had a lot of bad luck, but

976
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: we detailed it last week. The pace is not good

977
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: enough to contend for a championship. So while Pullo, unless

978
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: they magically changed the car before next year, and they're not,

979
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: Polo is the heavy, heavy, heavy heavy, cannot stress that

980
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: enough favorite to win again next year and next you know,

981
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's Kyle Kirkwuld, It's Kyle Kirkwud, It's

982
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: somebody else other than it's Kyle Kirkwood. Poddle Award, you know,

983
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: maybe a toss up between those because I expect Potto.

984
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: Potto's had a great season, Kirkwood's had a good season.

985
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: He's drifted here a little bit. You know, maybe long

986
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: Guard takes another step forward. These last two races are

987
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: really important for long Guard to get a hand long Ovals,

988
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 2: and if he does that, then we might put Louan

989
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 2: Guard in even footing for being able to compete with Poto.

990
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: To potentially compete for Polo. It's going to take a

991
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: little bad luck. I'm not counting not Dixon even next

992
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: year as well. Dixon is in that program. That car

993
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: is really good made. I think you go to the Penskes.

994
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me say this about the Penske

995
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: cars this weekend. If they can't, if they can't muster

996
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: up pace at this racetrack, this is one of their

997
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: better race tracks the last couple of years, this will

998
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: be shocking. I mean, Will won this race in pretty

999
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: dominant fashion last year. Yep beat beat Polo by nearly

1000
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: ten seconds. You know, he's qualified really well at this racetrack.

1001
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: He's won, he's won before a couple of times, two times,

1002
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe just once, but he has been good at

1003
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: this racetrack. And New Garden was on the podium last year.

1004
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: McLaughlin's finished second won the race. So this if they're

1005
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: not good this weekend, there's going to be it's going

1006
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: to be a long flight home. I can just tell

1007
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: you that.

1008
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: I think Andretti will also be strong. They also tested here.

1009
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Colton was fast last year. I think Marcus was having

1010
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: an okay day. And then Kirkwood, I remember he had

1011
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: a little kerfuffle early on when Dixon with Dixon and

1012
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: the Dixon was in the wall after contact with Pietro Fittipaldi.

1013
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that test should help in that circumstance.

1014
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, the car on the poll was

1015
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: Santino Ferrucci, so AJ foyight Team Penske partnership car. So

1016
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: you know they were fast all around last year Team Penske,

1017
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I hate to call AJ Foyt's team,

1018
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: et cetera, but you get the point that that entourage

1019
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: had a good weekend. And yeah, you know I'm hopeful

1020
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: that and it should be good bye now that fruits.

1021
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: He's hand is now in a good spot. He's had

1022
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: an extra week to kind of regroup and hopefully he

1023
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: can have a good weekend as.

1024
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: Well, and a good opportunity for Melucas, yes, to really

1025
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: get things going with what should be a good car

1026
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: set up and what will be interesting and with all

1027
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: these rumors, is he headed the team Penske or not.

1028
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: He's in a fully branded Penske car this week. Gallagher

1029
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: is the partner. And what's been on Melucas's car, you know,

1030
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: after you started looking at a little bit, I forget.

1031
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: The name of it.

1032
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: What has been on the Malucas car that is a

1033
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: Penske or has been a Penske associate partner in recent years,

1034
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: but clarience technologies. But maybe not everybody has noticed that

1035
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: because it's I don't know if it's been a primary

1036
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: for Penske. Well, Gallagher has and they're on the car

1037
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: with David Malucas this weekend and aj Foyd Racing now

1038
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: they have a partnership, but I thought it was a

1039
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: technical partnership. But there you go, So make of that

1040
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: what you want in that regard what else more Twitter

1041
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: points and questions. Dave Love fifty says congrats to Jackson

1042
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: for race one, condolences for two. Is Louis Foster lockdown

1043
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: at RLLL outside of Renus. He has punched above his

1044
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: way more than anyone, and I wonder if ANDRETTI would

1045
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: call him home. Marcus e out question Mark a lach

1046
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: Kirkwood foights. So there were quotes was that a racer

1047
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: story in the last week from Rob Edwards quotes saying

1048
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: Marcus is going nowhere for next year. He's under contract,

1049
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: that contract's going to be honored. I believe that to

1050
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: be true. That's what I've been saying for the last

1051
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: few months. I also understand when someone says something that's

1052
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: the truth, that's the truth for that day, right, you know,

1053
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: they can tell you the truth or that day, and

1054
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: then sometimes circumstance changes a month or two based on

1055
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: other circumstances at times. But I believe that to be true.

1056
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: I will be very surprised if there is a change there.

1057
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: But in in the world, not just motorsports, but in

1058
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: the world, we get surprised sometimes. So you just don't

1059
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: have any guarantees in life.

1060
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: What is your phrase about contracts, They are suggestions, suggestions.

1061
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, my theory is that Dan Towers is new

1062
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: into being the team principal, you know, come somewhat shared

1063
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: with myel in the last few years. I think there

1064
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: is something to be said for not getting that reputation

1065
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: where a contract is not a contract. And I also

1066
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: think there's something to be said for, Hey, Marcus Erickson

1067
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: just about won the Indianapolis five hundred and he was

1068
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: de q through no fault of his own. May or

1069
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: may not have had any impact on performance, but he's legit.

1070
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: He's finished second on the road twice, has won it once,

1071
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: easily could have been a two time winner. If they

1072
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: didn't have something that had never happened before, I'll restart

1073
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: with one lap to go. You know, if they don't

1074
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: change the rules. I'm not going to say change the

1075
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: rules midfly because it was always available, but if they

1076
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: didn't do something unprecedented, Marcus Erickson is a two time

1077
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: and almost a three time Indy five hundred winner, and

1078
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: I would still contend no one would say this he can't.

1079
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: But if Polow doesn't get through him in traffic and

1080
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: Marcus crosses the road first, there is a monetary fine.

1081
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: They're not taking away the night five hundred win in

1082
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: the Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe this was so egregious that

1083
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: they would have felt like they would have had to

1084
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: So I expect Marcus to be back. Bobby Rayhall has

1085
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: said that Louis is on a multi year agreement. Now,

1086
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people are on multi year agreements. What

1087
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: I'd really like to know is about options. That's the

1088
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: other thing is the semantics of these deals that you

1089
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: always hear drivers run a multi year contract, like Linus

1090
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: Lunquist was last year. How's he driving this year? Yeah?

1091
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: So a lot of times one it is a small

1092
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: expense to buy a driver out. The driver's salary in

1093
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: most cases is you know, for young drivers is a

1094
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: twentieth or one twenty fifth of the budget to run

1095
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: the car. Very small. It's less than the tire bill probably.

1096
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: And then what's the option status? Now? I think he's

1097
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: asking more. Could Louis go somewhere else? Might someone else

1098
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: go after Louis? Maybe? But I think there's too many others.

1099
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: My guess is if there are options, they are team options.

1100
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: Usually the way this works, if somebody's hiring a young driver,

1101
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: the team like Nassi did with Alex Poalo has the option.

1102
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: The driver normally doesn't have an option, especially if they're

1103
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: not bringing much or any of the budget. They're happy

1104
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: to have a ride. Think this is the place for

1105
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: them to be and as long as the team wants

1106
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: me back, that it's going well enough where I'm going

1107
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: to want to be back. So I expect Louie to

1108
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: be back at that team next year. Another question, so

1109
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: we'll go to the next ESF one as for a

1110
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: silly season updates, and we had the question earlier about

1111
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: about a Linas Lundquist two. So I don't know anything

1112
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: any different. I don't know anything more about what will

1113
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 2: powers status is it really starts there. Didn't see anybody

1114
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: last weekend. Didn't really ask anybody, you know, I probably

1115
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: should ask Michael Shank at some point because I think

1116
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: that's the next Domino what happens in his car. I

1117
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: believe Felix rosen Quist's on multi year contract. I believe

1118
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: everyone likes Felix roseen Quist, and that would not be

1119
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: a consideration at all. It's a partnership with Ganassi. He

1120
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 2: has that relationship. He's quick. Maybe not as many results

1121
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: as everybody would love to have for different circumstances, but

1122
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: that seems locked in. I think, and others think that

1123
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: Marcus Armstrong is coming to the end of his contract

1124
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: with Ganassi, and I don't know how that worked out.

1125
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: Was it transferred or is it more likely that he

1126
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: is on loan? What I had heard last year, Michael

1127
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: Chenk told me this, I do not have to take

1128
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: Marcus Armstrong to finish up this technical partnership with the NASSI.

1129
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: I have the ability to hire who I want, and

1130
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: I think at that time he was strongly thinking about

1131
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: making an offer to David Malucas, but he before they

1132
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: even got to it, was hired by Foyts or as

1133
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: something by Penske. So then it became a no brainer

1134
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: for Armstrong. One because he's good, two because he was

1135
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: under contract, and three because we think there is some

1136
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: financial help placing Marcus on the grid. Is that financial

1137
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 2: help still going to be there? If it is, I

1138
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: can't imagine you'd go away from Marcus Armstrong because he's

1139
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: taken another little step forward this year. I think it's

1140
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: do you go after will Power? It's a good place

1141
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: to say. I agree with the Power suggestion. It is

1142
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: a good place to say that Rosenquist and Armstrong are

1143
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 2: sixth and eighth in the championship, and Armstrong it can

1144
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 2: be argued that other than Polo and maybe somebody else

1145
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: up near the top like Poto, he's had about as

1146
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: good a ten rays stretch as there is in this paddock.

1147
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: Nine to the last ten, I think, in the top ten,

1148
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: and he has consistently climbed up through the standings to

1149
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: be eighth. Now, so you know, when we talk about

1150
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: at the start of the year who could be in

1151
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: the top ten, you know, we name all kinds of people,

1152
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: and I think if you went back and replayed our conversation,

1153
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: it took us a long time to get to Marcus

1154
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: Erickson to be in the top ten when we were

1155
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: naming drivers. So good on him. He's had a good year.

1156
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of empty spots. Likely this is

1157
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: maybe going to be a quiet offseason unless someone decides

1158
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: to be bold. Well, we still don't know, is what's

1159
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: happening at Penske. Is Power willing to do one year?

1160
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: Do the have a contractual requirement to place Malucas in

1161
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: a Penske car next year, which may preclude even an

1162
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: offer to Power If one year is offered to Power

1163
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: and someone says he's available. I'm going to get him.

1164
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 2: Does someone offer him too, and he just says, I'm

1165
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: tired of this, I am ready to move on. And

1166
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: the teams where he would go. I think if it's

1167
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: a one year contract, he's taking Penske, unless it is

1168
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: which teams.

1169
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's not going to be Anassy, but that would

1170
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: be one, and Aero McLaren would be two, and I

1171
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: guess you'd have to say and ready, but I don't

1172
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: think here's any room at the end. So those would

1173
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: be the teams and maybe Meyer Shank and maybe my

1174
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: partnership of course.

1175
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, now the opening could be Foight, which still could

1176
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: be attractive, assuming thee the technical partnership continues with Team Penske.

1177
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: Who the engineer is, who the engineer is, who.

1178
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: The engineer is, and what that relationship is going to

1179
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: be a lot of uncertainties. I think it's likely status

1180
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: quote Ed Carpenter Racing. You know, coin is waiting on

1181
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: what Renas VK is going to do. As we've talked about,

1182
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: that might be the best spot there. And then you

1183
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: look at the drivers near the back of the championship,

1184
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: especially those that aren't going to make leader circle, but

1185
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: there is all budget involved with them. It's not just

1186
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: simply can we find someone better at the back end

1187
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty six, twenty fifth. All three drivers are

1188
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: responsible for a significant part of the budget with Jacob Abel,

1189
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: Devlind Francesco and sting Ray Rob And I don't know

1190
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: how the teams are going to make that up. So

1191
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if though, any of those seats would

1192
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: be open or not. And where you'd want to go

1193
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: And if you're renas VK, do you want to leave

1194
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: where you're at, where you are not far behind the

1195
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: best team Penske driver and head of two of the three,

1196
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: to go to a seat that is either twenty fifth,

1197
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: twenty six or twenty seventh.

1198
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: I can't make that argument. Stay where you're at. You're

1199
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: the top dog in a team that frequently over the

1200
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: last twenty years has punched above its weight and won races,

1201
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: not just filled the field, not just been fifteenth eighteenth,

1202
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: They've won a lot of races. Now. They had Sebastian Boorday,

1203
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: they had Justin Wilson. Those are two pretty good race

1204
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: car drivers, maybe in the elite of the elite category.

1205
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: But Dale helped make that program work as well. They

1206
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: have good engineers, and Dale's a smart guy, and you

1207
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: know he builds the right He's lean and mean is

1208
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: what that program is.

1209
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, connor daily seat is not firm. Connor has been

1210
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: pretty open about that. He even alluded to it's not

1211
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: set for the whole year. Well, you know, I think

1212
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: we're safe to this point now with two ovals finishing up,

1213
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: he is going to be their best option and they

1214
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: are safely in the leader's circle. But the Honkohs Hollinger

1215
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 2: seat has often depended on bringing some budget with it,

1216
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: so you know, along with what he's done on the

1217
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: track this year, it'll be what he does off the

1218
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: track that helps determine that. So that's a potential opening

1219
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: somewhere for Prema. I think if things are as they are,

1220
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: it's the same two drivers. So when you're talking about

1221
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: teams that have blank sidepods, you're at the whim of

1222
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 2: the person paying for it. And if you ever get

1223
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 2: to a point where the person paying for it says

1224
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,879
Speaker 2: I'm tired of paying for it, then things start to change.

1225
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: Either by bringing in a driver who brings budget, which

1226
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 2: neither of these drivers. Do they are higher drivers Schwartzman

1227
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: an I lot or do they say we've had enough

1228
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 2: and sell the team or shut down the team.

1229
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happens.

1230
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: There's just no guarantees on all of those circumstances. List

1231
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 2: of drivers that are free agents will power Rinus VK.

1232
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Armstrong, Connor Daly. Don't know about Stingray

1233
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 2: Rob whether that was a multi year or not. Christian

1234
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: Rasmussen is one of those multi year agreement. Is there

1235
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: an option involved? Don't know. My guess is if there

1236
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: is an option, it's not his. It'ld be a team option.

1237
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: But again, I can't see him going anywhere. He's outperforming

1238
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: his higher paid, multi time race winning teammate and Alexander

1239
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: ROSSI he should be set. I don't know about Santino.

1240
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: I think that might have been multi year, but that's

1241
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: not normally how that works. That took a little while

1242
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: to get done. I'd be so prized if that was

1243
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if that was an ironclad multi year deal.

1244
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: I hope it was for Santino's sake, but things have

1245
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: changed today. J Foyd, what does sext and properties want

1246
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: to do Marlene passed away. Is the company still is

1247
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: invested in IndyCar I hope so, I hope they see

1248
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: the value in that. But you know, he rises to

1249
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: be relatively high on the free agent list to be's

1250
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 2: out there. Have to believe Foight wants to keep him.

1251
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: We'll do everything, And if they're going to lose Malucas,

1252
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he becomes P one and

1253
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: whatever team sponsors that they have, Santino is going to

1254
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: become their lead driver. Last year was an interesting dynamic

1255
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: because of the Penske Technical partnership. They wanted David Malucas.

1256
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: So Malucas's deal got done first before Santino's got done

1257
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: a little bit later. And let's look at some of

1258
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: the people that don't have sat right now, but that

1259
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: are viable candidates. Dennis Hauger who who I don't Did

1260
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: we talk about this last week? The Indie Next Championship

1261
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: is open again, especially with the Chicane at Portland. He's

1262
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: up by I think it's forty two points with still

1263
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 2: three to go, so one more finish in the back

1264
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: and one more win by Kyle Collette, and Kyle Collette

1265
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: is leading the Championship even after this next weekend. But

1266
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: Hauger is still really well thought of and he's in play.

1267
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 2: Lockie Hughes probably going to do another year at Indy

1268
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: next unless he wins the championship, which is unlikely now

1269
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 2: because he came together with Auger and it's going to

1270
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 2: be really tough for him. What if Colette wins the

1271
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: championship or even what if he doesn't. I don't know

1272
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: his financial situation if he but he's good and if

1273
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: he can bring some budget, he's going to be in

1274
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: the mix. Tayo Porcher is working with Simon Pajino, is

1275
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: really really good head to head with a lot of

1276
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: the F two driver that are doing well in Indy

1277
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 2: Car now and he was beating them, but hasn't done

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: an oval race yet. I don't think just had a

1279
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: test day, so that's a bit of an unknown there.

1280
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: Does Grojean try to get back in Somebody from the

1281
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: F one world? Jack Harvey is still actively racing and

1282
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: does he want to do this again or does he

1283
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: love being a pit reporter. You can't top being a

1284
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: pit reporter. That's the best job in the world. Now

1285
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 2: you're a race car driver. Somebody wants to make you

1286
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: a full time race car driver. Again, you think about that,

1287
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: and then what about the F one people, the F

1288
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,839
Speaker 2: two people, Mick Schumacher, his name has been thrown around.

1289
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: If Valtreie Botis doesn't get the Cadillac F one seat,

1290
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: you know he would be interested in this. The Honkohs

1291
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: Hollinger team has a lot of F one connections, and

1292
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm forgetting many many others.

1293
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: Don't sell Jack Harvey Short he's a booth analyst as well.

1294
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: For Indy Next. Yes, the premiere broadcast of the weekend. Yeah,

1295
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: that's pretty comfortable. There little more work out on pitt Lane. Yeah,

1296
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking to see if I've forgotten anybody else in

1297
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: that full season listing of things. But I still think

1298
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 2: silly season is not going to be that silly. But

1299
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 2: all it takes is one person deciding we're going to

1300
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: blow things up and we're going after somebody. You know

1301
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 2: that maybe someone has decided we think Rina's VK is

1302
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: it and we're going to create a space for him,

1303
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: or we think Willpower is highly motivated, and you know,

1304
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: if I'm a team, I know he's going to be

1305
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 2: forty five. I'm not worried about five years from now.

1306
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: It is a short term business. There will always be

1307
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,879
Speaker 2: someone else available that he is good. If you're hiring,

1308
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: hire him, and when he's out of usefulness, you can

1309
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: go hire the next player available.

1310
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: But he's got two more years. I think he can

1311
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: be good for two more years, and not just Rena's VK.

1312
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: But if somebody does somebody think that Christian Rasbusten is

1313
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: smoothing out. If that's the case, he's been bloody fast.

1314
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's available. No, I agree. I

1315
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 2: would be shocked if if there's any option it's a

1316
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: team option. I think someone would have to buy him

1317
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: out of a contract.

1318
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm just just saying, does somebody perceive him differently and

1319
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: more valuable than what it would take to get him out?

1320
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: You know?

1321
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, very much true. Other questions via the Twitter

1322
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: inbox refreshed on me. Steve Hunt at Hunter's Way sixty

1323
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: seven says, with Fox buying in, might we see the

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 2: schedule extended into September with some Friday night oval races?

1325
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: Maybe? But you know, a.

1326
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 2: Friday night is the only way that's going to happen.

1327
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: They are not going they have no room on Sunday.

1328
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: Sunday is to the NFL, So this actually goes more

1329
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: the other way that they are going to be adamant,

1330
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: and I think I know Mark Miles feels this way.

1331
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: You don't want to compete with the NFL. I don't

1332
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: know about a Friday night. I think I know we

1333
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: want a longer season. Those of us that love IndyCar

1334
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: racing want the season to be longer. I would love

1335
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: to be longer too, But if the commercial aspect matters,

1336
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: even Friday nights, college football owns Friday nights pretty well.

1337
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to mess with that. You

1338
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 2: get lost in the football cycle in the fall. So

1339
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 2: unless it gets to the point where there are twenty

1340
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: one promoters that say, here's my million and a half dollars,

1341
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: I must have a race, then I think you do

1342
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: everything you can to make the schedule end the way

1343
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 2: it's ending this year. Try to find more in the spring.

1344
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: Can they do something the week after the Daytona five

1345
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 2: hundred and use that platform? You know they don't have

1346
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 2: They have the Super Bowl every three or four years,

1347
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: so you've got that, but you still have the Daytona

1348
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 2: five hundred. Maybe you race on the Saturday of daytona

1349
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: five hundred weekend, but look for things in February, March,

1350
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: or April. That's where you have some gaps in the schedule.

1351
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: All Right, some other things that I just saw come

1352
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: across late this afternoon. We'll get into on this Fox

1353
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: IndyCar deal in more. Next on track Side.

1354
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: Hi, this is Kyle Kirkwood and you're listening to track Side.

1355
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see what else we can get to. I

1356
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: want to sneak in a few more from Twitter. The

1357
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: Xbox at Storm and Soda says Felix Rosenquist is an

1358
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: interesting driver and then he's six in the championship at

1359
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: only one podium. You also don't look at him thinking

1360
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: he'll win a race either type of driver. That puts

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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 2: the team in a tough spot, as he has a

1362
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,440
Speaker 2: high floor, but I don't see much upside thoughts.

1363
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: Well, you made the point that he's not had the

1364
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: results that he and everyone else would expect. There is

1365
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 1: something to the fact that it's a tough call. I

1366
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: would agree it's a tough call. He's good for the program,

1367
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: he's good with Ganassi, he's good with internally, and he's

1368
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: a heck of a race car driver, but you gotta

1369
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: win races too.

1370
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 2: I've never I just this came to my mind. I'll

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01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 2: ask some people what they think about this. Brian Hurd.

1372
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: It comes to mind. When Brian was part of the

1373
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: four car lineup at Andretti, the other drivers raved about him.

1374
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: The other drivers got more headlines, had more wins. Now,

1375
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: Brian did win multiple races, but I was always told

1376
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 2: that he was a major key to that operation, helping

1377
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: him was set up being the adult in the room,

1378
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 2: being the calm face in the room. And I wonder

1379
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 2: if Felix is a little bit the same. I don't

1380
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: think I think everyone would like to have a Felix Rosenquist.

1381
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 2: I absolutely would like to have him. Alex Polo likes

1382
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 2: having him around as a part of that program. So yeah,

1383
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: you'd always like to have more wins, and somebody's got

1384
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 2: to win on the team. But as long as that's happening,

1385
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: then I think you're pretty happy with rosen Quist. Mohammad says,

1386
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 2: any new about power VK etc. We talked about that,

1387
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 2: don't really know. And he says about ms Lambo going away,

1388
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: that means just accurate. Caddy BMW Aston and Porsche has

1389
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: hyper cars compared to WEK they have all that minus

1390
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: Acar and Alpine, Ferrari, Toyota, Pougeot. Will this be a

1391
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: problem for MS less hyper cars? By the way, BMW

1392
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: and ray Hall Leedhman Lannigan won in Road America this weekend.

1393
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 2: Really cool for them. If you didn't know that that

1394
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: they separated. BMW said we're leaving. We're going to find

1395
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,440
Speaker 2: a new program, and that's sad because they've been together forever.

1396
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: So our ll is open for business to find a

1397
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 2: new manufacture or customer program. So that was big for

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01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: them to finish one too. The other thought I would

1399
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: say is Road America was packed. Forget about if anyone

1400
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: ever suggests IndyCar and IMS are running together at Road America,

1401
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: no need, there's no room. It's full, The paddock is full,

1402
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 2: and it's full with fans. I think it might have

1403
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 2: been a bigger crowd than IndyCar Weekend. It was at

1404
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: least as good and it continues to grow. No, I

1405
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 2: don't see any concern. Yeah, that's sad about Lamborghini. They

1406
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: were only doing the endurance races that impacts from Angrojen.

1407
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to return next year in the capacity

1408
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 2: putting the program on a hiatus, but what Ford's coming in.

1409
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 2: We don't know if Genesis is going to get involved

1410
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: in IMSA either, But no, I think IMSA is pretty

1411
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: strong right now and there's not a whole lot of

1412
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 2: concerns there. Mike Jay says heard that Sunday's live broadcast

1413
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: of the IndyCar Race from Portland will be preempted in

1414
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 2: the Chicago Land area by the Bears preseason game. Do

1415
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: you know if this is correct? I do not, but

1416
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: I mentioned that in case anyone else does, and it's

1417
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Mike Jay at Tunnel Head one. So respond to Mike

1418
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: to U N l h D one. No television deal

1419
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: is perfect. People were unhappy about Peacock before and needing

1420
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: to pay for Peacock, but one thing that did give

1421
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: you is it always gave you at least a streaming option. Well,

1422
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: here's what I would say, No, I know this, So

1423
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: if you can get Fox on your local affiliates, that

1424
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: means you have access to foxsports dot com. I don't

1425
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: know how it works. If you don't subscribe, you may

1426
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: have to enter your credentials. But that's what the advice

1427
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: would be you may have to stream it, but if

1428
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: you get preempted for it, it's going to happen. When

1429
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: you're on network television, tornado warning comes up the affiliate,

1430
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: it's got to go to that, or they have a telethon,

1431
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 2: or yeah, you're going to see some preseason football because

1432
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: business says for that local affiliate, they're going to get

1433
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: fifteen times the audience that an IndyCar or a NASCAR

1434
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: race is going to get. So just be aware of

1435
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: that and keep foxsports dot Com in mind. If you

1436
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: can get it, I think that will be an option

1437
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: for you. Okay. The thing I saw on line today

1438
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 2: from Blackbookmotorsports dot com. BlackBook motorsport dot com, Yeah, says

1439
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: they understand the Fox IndyCar deal now runs through twenty thirty.

1440
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: The reports before is that was a three year deals

1441
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: That means it would have expired after twenty seven. Also

1442
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: on Mexico City, they report the negotiations they understand have

1443
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: hit a bump, but expectations remain positive that a deal

1444
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: will be closed. I've kind of heard the same things,

1445
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: and I think I've said this before. I need to

1446
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: see an announcement before I can say one hundred percent

1447
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. They're just a lot of things

1448
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 2: involved with an international race. I have heard some nightmare

1449
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 2: stories from people that were there from NASCAR. I've heard

1450
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: some very pleasant stories and no issues at all, But

1451
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: there are just a lot of things that happen in

1452
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: that regard. Final thought that I don't think I mentioned

1453
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 2: on the Fox Indiecar thing of positives and I'm still

1454
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: I'm not able to find negatives. Maybe somebody else is

1455
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: going to have them for me. IndyCar still needs to

1456
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 2: show Honda that there's a bright future in this right

1457
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: That's what Honda has said that they want, and as

1458
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: far as I know, nothing is done there. I would

1459
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 2: think this helps. And then also from the team standpoint,

1460
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 2: they have these charters that some people looked into offering

1461
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: to purchase, and the numbers thrown out there are really big.

1462
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: We don't know what they're really worth. I feel like

1463
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,879
Speaker 2: this creates more value for the teams with those charters.

1464
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 2: Whenever the NASCAR charters went up for sale, the first

1465
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 2: few that you could get one for between two and

1466
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 2: four million dollars. A year or so ago, they were

1467
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 2: selling between thirty and forty million, So you know, maybe

1468
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 2: somebody does decide I'm going to go and invest in

1469
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: IndyCar right now, and maybe someone cashes out. I don't

1470
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 2: think i'd cash out for two million, though, but somebody

1471
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 2: did that in Nascar and they're regretting that at this point.

1472
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: So stability in the sport is a good thing. All right,

1473
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 2: We're out of time.

1474
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: Anything else, Nope, I think we're ready to go. Let's

1475
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: have a good weekend.

1476
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not totally done yet, because I'll check in

1477
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: to see what we missed in more next on track Side, Hi,

1478
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: this is David Lucas and you're listening to track Side. Okay,

1479
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 2: what we missed? Details of the Fox streaming service came

1480
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: out today. Fox won or at least some details. It

1481
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 2: says it goes live August twenty first, so before the

1482
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: end of the IndyCar season. It's Fox FS one FS

1483
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: two Big Ten network. It says starts at nineteen ninety nine.

1484
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if there are tiers involved or not,

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Speaker 2: but honestly, I expected it to be quite a bit

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Speaker 2: more expensive than that, based on what the other streaming

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Speaker 2: service that Fox and Turner and ESPN Disney were involved

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Speaker 2: in that ended last year. That was going to be

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Speaker 2: forty something as an introductory price. So that's good Sarah

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Speaker 2: Morris and more details to come on that. Asks, are

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Speaker 2: there any special guests in the booth for Indy Next

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Speaker 2: for the last three races? Good question I forgot to

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Speaker 2: ask today. I don't know. We'll all find out together

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Speaker 2: coming up this weekend. Out of time. Some other tweets

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Speaker 2: we'll get to next week. We'll see you next Wednesday

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Speaker 2: at seven on trackside