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Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to

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Speaker 2: This Monday Gun Day with the gun Guy.

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Speaker 3: Just watch up with the guns they'll get.

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Speaker 2: Guy, stop calling your arms Gunny show. That's right.

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Speaker 4: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with

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Speaker 4: a very special guest on the hotline.

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Speaker 1: He's a two A attorney, a firearms instructor, and a

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Speaker 1: damn fine American.

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Speaker 2: He's the host of the Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 1: Here at ninety three WYBC, Guy Relfer joins us.

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Speaker 2: Guy, how are you man?

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Speaker 5: I am great, guys, and thanks as always to our

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Speaker 1: Guy, I've been waiting for this segment because I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear what you have to say about this

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Speaker 1: story that Russ McQuaid, who's a reporter at Fox fifty

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Speaker 5: Boy I'm sorry, who is that again? Is Russ something? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't know that I've ever heard of that.

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Speaker 4: He referred to you as a two A scholar, Yeah, sarcastically.

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Speaker 1: He's got a story out talking about the non murder

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Speaker 1: homicides being up. Basically, the cliffs notes of this article

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Speaker 1: is those awful, no good states that believe in stand

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Speaker 1: your ground or constitutional carry. You're seeing more situations where

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Speaker 1: people are defending themselves. What like, I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: this is a bad thing. Walk me through this article guide.

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Speaker 1: Did I read this wrong?

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Speaker 5: No, It's kind of hard to get your head around

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Speaker 5: because it's basically Ryan Mere's Marion Kenny, prosecutor and Russ

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Speaker 5: McQuaid and Fox fifty nine four commiserating over this woeful

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Speaker 5: development that that although overall homicides are down, they leave

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Speaker 5: that fact conveniently out. Overall homicides are down, but they say,

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Speaker 5: have the homicides they're seeing, They're seeing a significant increase

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Speaker 5: in the last few years, including this year, of justifiable

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Speaker 5: homicides where armed citizens are acting in self defense. And

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Speaker 5: they go on to essentially quote unquote blame constitutional carry.

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Speaker 5: I put I put, I put blame in air quotes

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Speaker 5: because I would say, let's give the credit to constitutional carry,

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Speaker 5: where more law about exitizens are lawfully arming themselves and

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Speaker 5: they're seeing more instances of justified homicides, which of course

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Speaker 5: are not a crime if you've used lawful force and

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Speaker 5: self defense. And and they're they're they're complaining as if

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Speaker 5: this is a horrible thing. And the obvious question that

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Speaker 5: this begs as you read the article is wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: do Russ McQuaid and and Ryan Mehers have a preference

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Speaker 5: for more unarmed victims dying as opposed to defending themselves.

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Speaker 5: That would be a better thing. I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 5: that would make Ryan Muir's conviction percentage go up since

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Speaker 5: he wouldn't be prosecuting cases he then loses in court

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Speaker 5: based on self defense. And he said they had three

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Speaker 5: and it's almost like a bad thing. Yeah, well, these

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Speaker 5: people defended themselves. Was it was self defense? So we

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Speaker 5: didn't get a conviction. My question is if it's self defense,

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Speaker 5: why are you prosecuting those people?

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Speaker 1: To begin with, Guy, I want to play you a

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Speaker 3: Allison, I think ever since permitless carry, the proliferation of

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Speaker 3: what should that reasonable belief look like when we're evaluating

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Speaker 3: It's people are getting involved in disputes, and in many

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Speaker 1: Guy, he seems sad that the law has stated these people,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he did. And again, it's really interesting to me,

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Speaker 5: lawful justified self defense. Well, you ought to be asking

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Speaker 5: Keeping in mind, under the law of the state of Indiana,

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Speaker 5: reasonable doubt. And my question again is why are you

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Speaker 4: Big picture, I mean thirty thousand foot Why do you

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Speaker 4: But boy, they were so morose and so downtrodden about

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Speaker 5: Well, based on the previous public comments from both these gentlemen,

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Speaker 5: I just think you have to say it's a deep

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Speaker 5: And you know, he wrote these sarcastic condescending articles when

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Speaker 1: One more thing here before we let you go, because

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Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy. You got some legal

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Speaker 1: stuff going on. That's why you're on the phone here today.

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Speaker 1: But you had a special caller into your program on

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Speaker 1: Saturday here at ninety three WIBC. I'm out driving around.

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Speaker 1: I'm out doing some errands and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 6: Nudge.

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Speaker 2: Did I hear your old man call in? Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've got Jeff oh hold on. Producer Gavin has

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Speaker 6: put in, here is Nigel's dad. This is Nigel's dad.

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Speaker 5: Yep, oh Man, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: You're like a celebrity By proxy Nigel's dad.

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Speaker 7: I guess so I'm semi famous.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely well, man, I've met you before, sir, and I

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Speaker 6: thank you for calling the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I have kind of a boring question for you.

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Speaker 7: But I'm probably not a lot different than some of

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Speaker 7: your listeners in that I have an odd little collection

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Speaker 7: and some of them that I may not touch between

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Speaker 7: a few years at a time.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I was wanting to get your advice.

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Speaker 7: Do I open those things back up and need to

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Speaker 7: clean and oil them even if it's in a box

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Speaker 6: Yea, that's such a good question. And and and listen,

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Speaker 6: and thank you so much for calling Jeff, As I say,

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Speaker 6: I've met you and shook your hand before, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: which was an honor and and and it's an honor

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Speaker 6: to have you call the Gun Guys show. So thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for being cool to my dad.

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Speaker 4: Man, he's a big fan.

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Speaker 5: Oh are you kidding? I saw it was him, and uh,

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Speaker 5: like I said, I met him before. But he's such

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Speaker 5: a great gentleman. He's just such a good guy. That's

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Speaker 5: a really great question, and I'm sure it was helpful

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Speaker 5: that was fine. It was it was me. It was

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Speaker 5: great that he, Uh he called into my show. I

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Speaker 5: was honored that he did.

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Speaker 4: I Uh, I don't know how much I'm I allowed

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Speaker 4: to say about, you know, my old man's collection. You're

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Speaker 4: not shy. You're not shy about your gun collection. But

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Speaker 4: I would I would, boy, somebody were going to ever

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Speaker 4: ever get into his place. Uh, they would regret.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Guys, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no again, good for him, man, he's out there

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Speaker 5: exercising the second so he didn't he didn't have a choice,

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Speaker 5: but turned out to be a good guy. Nigel was

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Speaker 5: a dad like that man, you were destined to be

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Speaker 5: a great dude.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, brother, guy.

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Speaker 1: How would you have responded if he said, so, I've

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Speaker 1: got a son that I'm thinking about offing.

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Speaker 2: Is there a silencer? Anything do you recommend?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 2: How would you handle that? Guy?

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Speaker 5: Hey? Man, you call it my show, you get an

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Speaker 5: on thet answer.

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Speaker 2: One more time special? Thanks too.

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Speaker 5: Oh there's always to premiere Arms in Brownsburg Man, thanks

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Speaker 5: so much for sponsoring the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 1: Show and Guy one more time again. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: if I asked you this already or not, but if

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Speaker 1: somebody wants to hire you or ask you a question,

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Speaker 1: or maybe even be trained in a firearm, what's the

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Speaker 1: best way to get a hold of you?

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Speaker 5: Really? Through Twitter or X man, give me a follow

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Speaker 5: while you're on there. It's just that guy, Ralph it

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Speaker 5: on X GOT.

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Speaker 2: You're the best, brother. Have a good week. Thanks guys,

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