1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Wednesday kind of the day we're gonna catch our breath. Obviously, 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: we had the Colts all day Sunday, we had the 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Hoosiers and Notre Dame and Purdue playing on Saturday, and 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: then the Colts on Sunday. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Then we had Monday night football. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: WNBA playoffs all going on, and today we can all 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: kind of catch our breath. Nothing going on tonight unless 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: you're a Reds fan, But we. 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Get back to Colts. You don't get back nothing going on. 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: We get the. 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: Cubs, but the Colts coming up on Sunday afternoon again 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: and they're in Los Angeles. Will be James Boyd and 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: also our next guest, Stephen Holder from ESPN, who joined 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: us on the Payless Lickers hotline this morning. I know 17 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: it's back to work for you during the day today, 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: but do you take it a little bit of a 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: deep breath Tuesday and Wednesday? 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Stephen? 21 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I caught the fever last night. But 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure there'll be, like, you know, some kind of 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: Mac football game on tonight or something. I don't know. 24 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's something if you're really looking for it, 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: but I might just go better early because I think 26 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: I need some rest. 27 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. 28 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: We're all been watching sports and it's fun and at 29 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: some point you just got to take a quick break. 30 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: But no breaks for Shane Steichen and the Colts. They're 31 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: back to work. As I mentioned earlier today, what about 32 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: this team. 33 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: At three and oh? Do you believe in them yet? 34 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: Should people start truly believing that this could be one 35 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: of the best teams in the NFL. 36 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: They have passed the tests so far. I think the 37 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: real buy in comes after this weekend. I think this 38 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: is their biggest test yet. There are some questions that 39 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: they have to answer. And this is not being negative. 40 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: This is just reality, right. I mean, there are some 41 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: one and two and zero and three teams out there 42 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: that are obviously better than their record, and so the 43 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: question then becomes, you know, are the Colts what they 44 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: have shown so far at three and oh? Look the 45 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: two of their opponents. Let's be honest, you know the 46 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: Dolphins and Titans probably not go anywhere fast this year. 47 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: So the big test I think comes Sunday. Both for 48 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones and for the defense, which you know has 49 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: I think, you know kind of been living a little 50 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: dangerously if you look at that Broncos. 51 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: Game, Steven. 52 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: When I look at some of the numbers from Daniel Jones, 53 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 5: and actually I got a message from one of my 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 5: coworkers at the Athletic. Yes, you're like, hey, we're doing 55 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: some sort of early season not like a poll, but 56 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 5: it was kind of like, hey, can you give us 57 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: a quote about Daniel Jones and why he has a 58 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 5: case for MVP so far through three games? And I'm like, wait, what? 59 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 5: And then you look at the numbers and it backs 60 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 5: everything up. You know, he's I'm looking at his numbers 61 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 5: right now. He's third in passing yards, fourth through piece 62 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 5: of percentage third, and passer rating in first and EPA 63 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 5: per play. So when I say all of that, what 64 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: is your reaction to having a quarterback in Indianapolis not 65 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 5: named paid Mann and Andrew Luck playing at that level? 66 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I should buy a lottery ticket 67 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: for one, because for this to work out the way 68 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: it has, I don't even think Shane Stichin, in a 69 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: moment of complete honesty, would tell us that he thought 70 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: it would be going this well. But I think where 71 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: it's interesting for me is you and I have had 72 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: this conversation and KB, like we all agreed, like, Okay, 73 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: there's a possibility of this working. Like before the season, 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: you know, there's the possibility of this working. But the scenario, 75 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: the way I saw it, this is what I've told people. 76 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: The way I saw this working if this had a 77 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: productive outcome, was Daniel Jones plays well, but it's really 78 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: about everybody around him. Okay, the receivers play out of 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: their minds, Jonathan Taylor out of his mind, offensive line, 80 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: great defense, spectacular. I thought he would be the guy 81 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: who just kind of helped bring it together and didn't 82 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: screw it up. Instead, what we have is a little 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: bit of the opposite. We have everybody else playing pretty well, 84 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: and then Daniel Jones is just off the charts. So 85 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: I don't stand this at all, and it's not what 86 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: I expected. And anybody who says they expected this, they 87 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: are a freaking liar. I don't believe them. 88 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, and honestly, alight detector, mister missus Jones. Frankly for that, Stephen, 89 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 6: the best aspect to Daniel Jones through three weeks, have 90 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 6: you had a pinpoint on one thing, what would be. 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: You know, his accuracy is really impressive. I gotta say, 92 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: like I did not. I mean, look, I didn't watch 93 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: all of his games the past six seasons, right, so 94 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: none of us were experts on Daniel Jones, So let 95 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: me preface it by saying that. But he has thrown 96 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: with such accuracy on the contested throws, I mean, the 97 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: tight window throws. That is just impressive to me. So 98 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: that's the main thing. I think. The other thing that 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: he's been most impressive with is just his his ability 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: to stand in the pocket calmly. As I've said this repeatedly. 101 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 3: When he was under duress in New York the play 102 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 3: was over, okay, he just really didn't react well to pressure, 103 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: and he was under a lot of pressure because his 104 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: offensive line was very bad. Now there has been pressure 105 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: at times here, but he's just handled it differently. And 106 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: I think it's because, again, he is so confident and 107 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: he's not playing scared because he trusts his protection and 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: he trust his coach, he trusts everything around him. That 109 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: he's just playing with a different level of comfort and 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: he's just a different guy. 111 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 5: Frankly, you want me to throw this stat at you, 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 5: Steven Holder, because I found this yesterday. I really couldn't 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 5: believe he was reading it back. So, Daniel Jones against 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 5: the Blitz this season, He's twenty seven to forty three 115 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 5: through the air for a league high four hundred and 116 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 5: fifteen yards and a touchdown. Like that is not the 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 5: Daniel Jones you remember from New York. 118 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: I mean the recipe that Rattlehams was awful to blitz him. 119 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 120 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 6: For me, it's the no negative plays, which I think 121 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 6: the Blitz stat kind of plays into that. James Steven 122 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 6: It's like, you know, Daniel Jones has had some moments 123 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 6: in his career, but the negatives have always been there. 124 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like one step four, two steps back. 125 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: He turned it over almost at a one to one 126 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: right your. 127 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 6: Sacks, however you want to label the negative plays. I 128 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 6: think if I had a pinpoint one thing, that would 129 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 6: be at zero turnovers and two sacks through three games. 130 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 6: I mean, that's absurd for any NFL quarterback, no matter 131 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 6: what the schedule looks like. 132 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just think overall, I don't think anyone, 133 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: like I said, no one could have predicted this, But 134 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: I think when you just look at how clean he's 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: played and just how not only is that you make 136 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: a good point, how clean he's played, but also the 137 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: fact that like they're not they're not hiding him, like 138 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: they're coming out in games and they're like, past past, 139 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: past past, Oh, let's run the ball coptimes, right, I mean, 140 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: they're putting the game on him. I mean that's the 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: part that is just equally stunning about all of this, 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: Like they're not saying, all right, let's let's see how 143 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: can we not screw the no, no, no, no no. They're like, 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 3: we're gonna go and we're going to throw the ball 145 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: whenever and against whoever we want to. And Daniel Jones 146 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: is the quarterback that's never been said before. That's amazing 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: to me. 148 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: Stephen Holder joining us on the Paylesslockers Hotline. Obviously a 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: lot of the credit for this offensive success goes to 150 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: the offensive line and what they've been able to do. 151 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: But my favorite play Stephen for Tyler Warren so far, 152 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: and I had that first big week this past in 153 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: Week one, but this past week on that forty six 154 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: yard touchdown run that Jonathan Taylor was a beast on. 155 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen unless Tyler Warren makes a big block 156 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: just about two or three yards downfield, kind of on. 157 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: The edge there. 158 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: How's he doing as a rookie tight end on the line. 159 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: You know, Actually the blocking has been pretty impressive. He's 160 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: been in some situations where he's been matched up with 161 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: some pretty good pass rushers or just good defensive players generally, 162 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: and he is doing the job. That's the one area 163 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: of his game that if you had a question and 164 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: you could maybe say the jury is out, that was it. 165 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: I'm talking coming into the season, because you know, we 166 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: just didn't know. But he's actually handled himself very well. 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: And I think that power that power play, that ISO 168 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: play that that Jonathan Taylor scored on. I mean maybe 169 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: you guys have mentioned this earlier in the week, but 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: Shane Stykin told us about that, you know, sort of 171 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: in confidence on Friday, and it was so interesting, like 172 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: he was he was pumped up for it in large 173 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: part because Tyler Warren was going to be the one 174 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: lead blocking. You know, think about that, this guy who 175 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: is getting all these accolades for being just a great 176 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: receiver and the plays that he's making in the passing game. 177 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: The thing that Shane Stykeen was really excited about, was like, Oh, 178 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: we're going to go get him on the linebacker and 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: he's going to make this play for us. And he did. 180 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: He absolutely did. 181 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Steven. 182 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 5: We were a debate this earlier this week whether or 183 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 5: not the Colts to try Anthony Richardson in the red zone, 184 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 5: mainly because of all the offensive success the Colts have had. 185 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: They are twenty sixth I believe in red zone success rate, 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 5: which in English means how many times they get to 187 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: the red zone and score a touchdown, So twenty six 188 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: in the league. Would you put Anthony Richardson in there 189 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 5: to try to be more efficient in that area? 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: Hmm. It's tempting, that's for sure. I still think it's unlikely. 191 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: Now that's not the question though, you're asking what I 192 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: I think it depends if we're talking about running like 193 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: read option down there, I do it. I think if 194 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: you're talking about, you know, giving him a situation where 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: he's throwing the ball, I think Daniel Jones is a 196 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: better option right now. I mean, just to be completely frank, 197 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: but but I think if you if you want to 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: consider the read option down there, that gives them some 199 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: some options they are definitely problematic. Their offense has been 200 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: problematic in the red zone. And I think when you 201 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: talk about the good competition, you're going to have to play. 202 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you want to win the 203 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: division and you want to get in the playoffs and win, 204 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: well you got to beat you know, quality football teams. 205 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 3: So the success rate that they're having in the red 206 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: zone right now is not going to cut it. That 207 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: is not going to cut it. Again that the bar 208 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: has been raised. So we're not talking about them like, oh, 209 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: you know, maybe they can make a wild card this year. No, 210 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: we're talking about them in terms of like, all right, 211 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: let's go win the division. That is basically where this 212 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: is now, right, So if that's what we're talking about, 213 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: then we got to talk about them in such a 214 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: way and we got to raise that bar. So they 215 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: have to be better in. 216 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 7: The red zone. 217 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: And maybe they do need to consider that that read 218 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: option that that he can give them down there, Anthony 219 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: Richardson is pretty unstoppable. So especially with Jonathan Taylor involved, 220 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see if they would they would 221 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: do it. 222 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 4: One more for you, Stephen Holder. 223 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 5: And again Stephen Holder covers the calls for ESPN join 224 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 5: us here on the Payless Liquers Hotline, Steven, it sounds 225 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 5: like Kenny Moore will not be available this upcoming Sunday 226 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 5: in LA. It sounds like Alec Pierce might not be 227 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 5: available either. He's in a concussion protocol. With both those, 228 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 5: you know, potential absences, what do you think will be 229 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 5: the bigger loss for this team? And also what do 230 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 5: you think Mike Hilton in particular at that cornerback spot 231 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 5: could potically bring to this franchise. 232 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is It's not great timing, no question about that. 233 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: Those are two big injuries. I think Alec Pearce, he 234 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: was on his way to being the leading receiver in 235 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 3: that game, by the way, on Sunday before he got hurt, 236 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: so and it was very I think heartening to see 237 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: him being used in a variety of ways, which maybe 238 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: he hasn't gotten enough opportunities to do. But anyhow, the 239 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: one that hurts the most I think maybe Kenny Moore. Frankly, 240 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: just because you know, you have Sewn Vey on the 241 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: other side, and if there's anybody who's who's good at 242 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: creating favorable matchups, I mean it's that guy, you know, 243 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: So I think This is a tough that's a tough 244 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: thing for the Colts to have to deal with on 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: the fly. Is particularly if it's Mike Hilton, you know, 246 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: is he is he ready to roll? Is he? 247 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 7: Uh? 248 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: Is he going to be up to speed on all 249 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: the verbiage and all that? Probably, but but I think 250 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: there's at least some questions there Is he in shape 251 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: all those things? Right? That one for me is concerning 252 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: just because I think Ady Mitchell, who would have to 253 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: sub for Alec Pearce, He's started up okay, okay, And 254 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: I've been no one's been harder on Ady than I have, 255 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: because I think his in game performance just has been 256 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: has fallen so flat compared to his practice performance. But 257 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: I think the job he's done early on, I think 258 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: I give him, I give him an opportunity. I think 259 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: he I think he has it in him. He's showing 260 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: that he's up to the task so far. 261 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: Steven. 262 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 6: Last one for me, I feel like so much of 263 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 6: Sunday and I do want to igno. There are a 264 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 6: lot of factors to Sunday. First off, I think it's 265 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: a great challenge on both sides. I mean, I think 266 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 6: the Rams would say the same thing about the Colts 267 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 6: given Johnson, Taylor and Daniel Jones, and again we talk 268 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 6: so much about Matthew Stafford. Kyra Williams is a damn 269 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 6: good running back as well. So much of it boils 270 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 6: down to can the Colts get pressure with four? Like 271 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 6: I just especially the Kenny Moore injury, I just sit 272 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 6: there and think, can you disrupt Matthew Stafford's timing and 273 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 6: he gets the ball out very quick? 274 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 8: What do you look at as the biggest key for Sunday? 275 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: I think, really it's that I think they're going to 276 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: be able to make some plays offensively. They have a 277 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: lot of talent on that side of the ball, and 278 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: their efficiency with run and pass right now, I think 279 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: the likelihood that the that the Rams can can shut 280 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: down both aspects I think is probably unlikely. So for me, 281 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: the big question is what is the defense going to do. 282 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: I didn't think we'd be sitting here having more questions 283 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: about the defense in the offense, but here we are. 284 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this the bad defense, it's not, 285 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: but that pass rush. Look, I think you have to 286 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: not discount but or ignore, but you definitely have to 287 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: not put as much emphasis on weeks one and three, 288 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: Week two against Denver. That's the one that bugs me 289 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: because they could not get home. They just could not 290 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: vote Nicks at all day. And that was the best 291 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: offensive line they have played, really the only good offensive 292 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: line they have played. And so they're going to face 293 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: another one on Sunday, and they're gonna face a quarterback 294 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: who is not going to be phased. You can't blitz 295 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: this guy and face him. You can, you can collapse 296 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: the pocket. You're not gonna face him. He's tough like. 297 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: This is going to be the test. And so far 298 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: that that defensive line, I think the tree is still 299 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: out and they've got they have too much money invested 300 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: and too many draft picks invested in that defensive line. 301 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: They got to produce. 302 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: Period, Steven Older, you put a period on that conversation. 303 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: We appreciate you stopping by. Thanks as always, Enjoy whatever 304 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: the evening brings you, and we will see you soon, 305 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: all right, see you guys. 306 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 5: Every sound that sounds like you about to you know. 307 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Mark cut the cut the lines down 308 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 5: a little bit. 309 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, set the mood. 310 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: We had started by talking about what he might be 311 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: watching for sports on TV tonight there go Martin. 312 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 6: I was trying to transition to something else, but boy, 313 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 6: it's hard to follow that. 314 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: What did you want to transition to Steven ono velvet robe? 315 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: I feel like he does. 316 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: He's cool enough, best dressed down the beat. 317 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 8: Hello, welcome to much James Boyd. 318 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 6: But I don't want that to sound as a backhand 319 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: accomplish clean. He's in a different strategy. 320 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 8: He can come. 321 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: I'll give him that a dress. 322 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 9: Uh. 323 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 6: That last comment by Steven, you're you've invested too much 324 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 6: into your D line not to have more of a 325 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 6: disruptive pass rush. 326 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: So for me three, you have a second round pick 327 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 4: that's not playing right. 328 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 8: You can point in a lot of money, you know. 329 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: He mentioned that to Monny aspect to it, I mean 330 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 6: you look at how much Quiddy pays, making, how much 331 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 6: Sampson never comes making, how much Grover Buckner. You know, 332 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 6: list goes on and on, not just the draft pictures. 333 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 5: And honestly, to me, it's not the detackle. I think 334 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 5: Grover and DeForest Buckner have done what they're supposed to do. 335 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: It's the endplay. 336 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that elements of Sunday to me is just 337 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 6: vital Again, you're gonna have to probably commit more to 338 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 6: coverage given your injury situation. 339 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 8: Uh. 340 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: And Matthew Stafford, I think it's the third fastest of 341 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 6: any quarterback in the league. He gets the ball out, 342 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 6: how do you disrupt that timing? Again, that's rush and cover. 343 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 8: You know. I thought, honestly, some of the four. 344 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 6: Sacks, and I got the impression yesterday James that Luyne 345 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 6: Rumo is not maybe as worried about the pass rush. 346 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 8: As some others. 347 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 6: You know, he was pretty quick to point out the 348 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 6: four sacks against cam Board and I get it. Four 349 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 6: sacks in a vacuum looks pretty good. Yeah, I think 350 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 6: some of that is a rookie quarterback. B I thought 351 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 6: your coverage contributed to some of it. And I just 352 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 6: think past rushing cam Board and pass rushing Matthew Stafford 353 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 6: are two totally different animals. Yes, Stafford's more of a 354 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 6: stationary guy, but at the same time, his identification, his 355 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 6: ability to get the ball out quick and Pukinakua and 356 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 6: DeVante Adams, those are all different animals. 357 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm glad you bring that up because at just about 358 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: every offensive skill position, they're going to be playing the 359 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 2: best players they've played to date this season. Matthew Stafford 360 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: is the best quarterback that they have played so far. 361 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: I would say Kyrien Williams is the best running back 362 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: they will have played so far. And without question, the 363 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: top two wide receivers they will have played so far 364 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: are Nikoua Andante DeVante Adams. 365 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: They got a lot to handle defensively. 366 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, we were, James. I don't know if you were 367 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 6: in on this. You are a little bit more paying 368 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 6: attention than I am. But we were bored at practice 369 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 6: the other day and we somehow had the conversation of 370 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 6: what are some of the greater individual performances you've seen 371 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 6: from a Colts player in person and or a player 372 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 6: against the Colts in your time covering the team Colts individually. 373 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 6: I always go back to Reggie Wayne at the Orange 374 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 6: Gloves twenty twelve. Everything that went into that game, Bruce 375 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 6: arians first game as head coach, Chuck Bagono, you know, 376 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 6: game ball delivered to him, etcetera, etcetera. But one of 377 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: the better individual performances I've seen from an opponent was 378 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 6: Pookinakua two years ago inside of Lukasholo Stadium, and that 379 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 6: was still early Puka Like, Yeah, and Cooper Cup was 380 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 6: not playing in that game, and for Pookinakua to take 381 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 6: over that game again, it was still the you know, 382 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 6: who's this? 383 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 8: What was he a fourth rounder? Fifth rounder? 384 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 6: I mean like it's not like this was, you know, 385 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison junior walking into the NFL here, and for 386 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 6: him to have had that performance, I forget the exact numbers, 387 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 6: but they were eye popping. He had the game winner 388 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 6: in overtime there. And now you throw Adams, who doesn't 389 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 6: look like he's walking up the eighteenth hold just yet, 390 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 6: looks like there's still a little bit left there. 391 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 8: That's that's quite the do. It's probably the toughest passing 392 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 8: game match. 393 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 5: Up the coltal face all year. Yeah, so here's the 394 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 5: stats for you. Nine catches, a buck, sixty three in 395 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: a touchdown, and a touchdown was a walk off. 396 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 4: So I bought you it certainly was. 397 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 5: That was his third one hundred yard receiving game in 398 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: his first four career games. 399 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 6: And the guy has not slowed down a bit since then, 400 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 6: probably with did Kenny Moore playing that game? And now 401 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 6: you're saying no anymore? And if I remember correctly, Nikou 402 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 6: did a lot of that out of the slot. So yeah, again, 403 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 6: that's just what adds to it. And he's had a 404 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 6: great start here did this season. 405 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: It'll be the Rams and the Colts coming up on 406 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. We'll be talking about it all week long. 407 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 8: And uh, Puka Dydon do you ever think about that mark? 408 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 7: It was? 409 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: I just missed the top five. 410 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 6: It sounds like a universal sex name too. 411 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 8: I could go boy or girl? 412 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can, thinking about it? Well, you could do 413 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: that coming up? Hookah Bowen. How's that going. How's the 414 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: conversation you're playing NFL? 415 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: Well? 416 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 8: I don't know. I think Maddy's pretty open to any 417 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 8: and all names. So okay, pooka, all right, let me 418 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 8: jot that. 419 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Down Mondo Bowen, Hookah Mondo Bowen. 420 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: My kid's gonna get bully for a long time, be. 421 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: The toughest kid in school. 422 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 8: Maybe would be the. 423 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 6: Best rugby player of this State's out? Aren't they taking 424 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 6: over Coon Stadium? Shout out to Bryce Campbell? Isn't he 425 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 6: investing all this into rugby? 426 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 7: Here? 427 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 8: I love it? Hookah Mondo Bowen. 428 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: Up and Adam getting ready for another week of football 429 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: coming your way. 430 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: Pretty good to say of high school football games. We'll 431 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: talk about later. On this week too, But I saw 432 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: the top rankings for all classes coming out in the 433 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: Indie Star again this morning. No surprise that Brownsburg is 434 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: on top once again. Center Grove, Newpal Carmel Crown Point 435 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: High school football is getting it has been for a 436 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: long time. 437 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: But it is so good in this state. So fun. 438 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, what are we week six now as well? So 439 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 6: sectional play or sectional draw? I should say probably just 440 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 6: a couple of weeks away. 441 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 5: And yeah, that's how fast it goes by blink and 442 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: it's already halfway through the season. 443 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 6: Shout out to that Knox Miles McLoughlin. I saw some 444 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 6: highlights of them the other Day's second all time in 445 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 6: the state's career rushing list. They treat him like Tim Tebow. 446 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 6: It's awesome to watch some of this, just like straight 447 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 6: up power lead runs they run with him and honestly 448 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 6: is reminiscent of Riley Leonard of the opening drive against 449 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 6: Ohio State and how they utilize him. 450 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 8: So we'll see if the math plays. 451 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 6: Out, if Knox can get on a playoff run, if 452 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 6: you can challenge Speaking of New Pal Charlie Spiegel in 453 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: that all time rushing lead. 454 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: A lot more in high school football Friday morning on 455 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: Operation Football with Channel thirteen's Dominic Moranda. In the meantime, 456 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: Colts getting ready for a game this weekend on the 457 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: road out on the West Coast against the Los Angeles 458 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: Rams and Rams. As we've been talking about Kevin a 459 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: pretty good quarterback named Matthew Stafford. He's been around, He's 460 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: seen a few things, He's seen a few players, and 461 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: it was interesting to hear some of his comments this week. 462 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 6: Was it need Matthew Stafford, who I thought should have 463 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 6: been the Colts quarterback a few cycles ago, But nonetheless 464 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 6: Colts press did not agree with that, and he moves 465 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 6: on to the Rams and the rest is history with 466 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 6: what he's done out there, but he has familiarity with this. 467 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 6: Coaches have Jim Bob Cooter James mentioned this earlier. Colts 468 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 6: offensive coordinator spent I believe a handful of seasons with 469 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 6: Stafford in Detroit. Stafford made an appear in some serious 470 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: XM earlier this week and had plenty of praise when 471 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 6: asked about Daniel Jones and what Daniel Jones has done 472 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 6: here in Indy. 473 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 9: I'm happy for him, I really am. I'm a guy 474 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 9: that pulls for other quarterbacks to have success. I've thought 475 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 9: for a long time that you know, Daniel has kind 476 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 9: of everything want. I mean, he's big, he throws it great, 477 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 9: he moves around really well. It seems to be a 478 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 9: sharp guy, you know, level headed kind of human beings. 479 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 9: So sometimes you just need a change of scenery or 480 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 9: a change of pace, and it seems like he's found 481 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 9: a groove with the Colts. I know some of the 482 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 9: coaches on the Colts coaching staff, some guys that I've 483 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 9: worked with in the past. They're smart guys putting him 484 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 9: in position to succeed, which is an awesome thing for him. 485 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 9: They got a great running game, their defense is playing 486 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 9: at a high clip. I mean, they don't punt. I mean, 487 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 9: this team is playing as good as anybody in the 488 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 9: league right now. So it'll be a huge test for us. 489 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 9: And I think you got to give Daniel a lot 490 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 9: of credit. You know, he took an opportunity last year 491 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 9: to go, you know, learn from some guys in Minnesota, 492 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 9: and I think that probably helped him out. And then 493 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 9: you know, he's getting his opportunity now and I think 494 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 9: you know, when guys grab that opportunity, man, you got 495 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 9: to give it to him and let him go. And 496 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 9: it's really cool to watch guys go through struggles, you know, 497 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 9: whether it be their own or the system that they're in, 498 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 9: or the team they play for, whatever it is. I mean, 499 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 9: we had a little bit of that experience when Baker, 500 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 9: you know, stops here for half a season. You know, 501 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 9: a bunch of teams are kind of moving on and 502 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 9: going around, and Baker got here, got the opportunity to 503 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 9: play for Sean for eight games or seven games, whatever 504 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 9: it was, and and really revitalized his career. And look 505 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 9: what he's doing in Tampa now. So quarterback, you get 506 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 9: better as you go. I feel like as long as 507 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 9: your body can can, you know, hold up. The mental 508 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 9: aspect of the game becomes more more and more prevalent 509 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 9: as you as you get older, and Daniel's showing that. 510 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 7: I think. 511 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford talking about Daniel Jones and everybody's calling him too. 512 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: I've been reading a lot this week about you know, 513 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: he's this year's Sam Darnold, but I think he's just 514 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: this year's Daniel Jones. It remains to be seeing what 515 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: he's going to do for the rest of the season, 516 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: but he sure looks like a different guy, playing with 517 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: a lot more confidence and a lot of swag. 518 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know we both use this for a 519 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: recent story, Kevin, but talking to Michael Pittman Junior on 520 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 5: Monday after the win, and this was via Zone and 521 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: again I used the word jolly earlier this week to 522 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 5: describe Pittman, and he was jolly about his quarterback. And 523 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: he was telling us that there is one flaw in 524 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, and it's the fact that he cannot show 525 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 5: up to dinner on time ever when it comes to 526 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 5: their Thursday night meal, because he is too busy doing 527 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 5: what studying tape, which is the most Daniel Jones description ever. 528 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: So I got a kick out of that, and he 529 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 5: was just telling him, Yeah, whenever I call him, he's 530 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 5: in the playbook. Same thing that Shane Stychen is experienced 531 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 5: with his quarterback. And honestly, talking to other guys around 532 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: the room run the locker room, they've echoed the same thing. 533 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 5: I was talking to Tyler Goodson after Sunday's game in 534 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: the locker room. He was like, yeah, the guy's insane. 535 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 5: You know, there is not many times where he's not 536 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 5: talking to you about ball and how to hone up 537 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 5: all the little details that make the operation work. So 538 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 5: Tyler Goodson was saying, yeah, there is no like hey, 539 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 5: how you doing kind of thing. It's more like, hey, 540 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 5: did you just see that clip by Senia you know, 541 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 5: on your iPad or on your surface pro whatever the 542 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 5: case may be, and you're seeing those dividends payout. But 543 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: also one of the quotes that sit out to me 544 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 5: from the locker room, I use it in my story today, 545 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: Kevin Javerius Ward was saying he's comeback player of the 546 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 5: year already, damn near. And he was saying everyone doubted him, 547 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: and look at what he's going through. And now Shavera's Ward, 548 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 5: somebody who's been through his own personal stuff, has been 549 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 5: doubted for very different reasons. 550 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 4: He went to a personal tragedy. 551 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 5: But he was saying, I'm very happy for him, and 552 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 5: I think his teammates are too, and fans are too. 553 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 5: And you've seen that not only from teammates but former 554 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 5: teammates and then also even opponents just that respect. Because again, 555 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: coming into this, Kevin, he was never a guy that 556 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 5: ever had a bad reputation as far as being a 557 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 5: bad person. 558 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 4: It was always can't he actually play? 559 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if this analogy is a great one, 560 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 6: but you know, when you think to the other, you know, 561 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 6: major pro sports team here in town and the Pacers 562 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 6: and the ounce of confidence or ounces I should say, 563 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 6: probably plural, that the Pacers gave to Tyrese Halliburton to 564 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 6: lesser extense Aaron Nee Smith Obi topping. You know, these 565 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 6: guys were all lottery picks. They all for whatever reason, 566 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 6: didn't pan out in their original stop. And you come here. 567 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 6: It's a different environment. It's a different level of belief. 568 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 6: What do you do with when you're confident? I mean, honestly, 569 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 6: you can probably get into a psychology sort of examination 570 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 6: into that for anybody in you know, various walks of life. 571 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 6: But you watch Daniel Jones quarterback. Somebody said it earlier. 572 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 6: I might have been Stephen Holding. We had him on 573 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 6: eight o'clock. It's not like the dude is just out 574 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 6: there dumping off every pass to Jonathan Taylor and hoping 575 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor breaks a tackle and pad stats. 576 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 8: That way, He's taking shots down the field. 577 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 6: He is a willing stay in the pocket when it 578 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 6: does get muddy, take some shots down the field. And 579 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: that I don't think we saw to the degree that 580 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 6: we're seeing in New York certainly, and then again he's 581 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 6: staying away from the negative plays. So he's been consistent, 582 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 6: the accuracy has been in stride, his willingness to take 583 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 6: some shots down the field, and again staying away from 584 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 6: the negatives. I mean, when you add up all of that, 585 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 6: you're going to get a quarterback det is deservedly so 586 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 6: on any sort of MVP ballot three weeks into a season, 587 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 6: and yes, Sin is September twenty fourth, but you just 588 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 6: have to be thoroughly. 589 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 8: Thoroughly impressed by what Daniel Jones has given the Cold 590 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 8: so far. 591 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: All I want to get the reactions everybody on the 592 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: fan text line at two three ninety ten seventy. Your 593 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: thoughts on Daniel Jones so far. You've heard what people 594 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: like Matthew Staffer are saying, You've been reading what folks 595 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: locally and Nashley have been saying about Daniel Jones this year. 596 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: Do you believe in him yet after three games? What's 597 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: your thought on that? Two three nine ten seventy will 598 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: do some of that in a moment. We'll talk IU 599 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: football Top of the Hour as well. James Boyd, Kevin Bowen, 600 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: jeff Rickord, Mark Diychton. This his ninety three five one 601 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: seventy five fan Zach Austraman joining us now on the 602 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: Payless Liquors hot Line, is he's been covering this team 603 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: and watching them all the way through. And Zach, we've 604 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: been talking about all the different areas that have played 605 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: so well, and look, I was chief among them. I've 606 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: been making fun of those first three games in their 607 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: preseason for the next couple of years. But man, did 608 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: they show up to play against Illinois. What's been the 609 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: most impressive part of this team that you've seen so 610 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: far this year. 611 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 7: I mean, that's a good question, and I think there's 612 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 7: a lot of different ways you could take it. I 613 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 7: think probably and I would extend this back to spring camp, 614 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 7: fall camp, just the extent to which it really did 615 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 7: feel like Indiana was able to put last season in 616 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 7: the past, and you know, the extent to which you know, 617 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti in a variety of different ways, really tried 618 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 7: to make it clear through the offseason that twenty twenty 619 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 7: four was over, that Indiana had moved on to twenty 620 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 7: twenty five. But you know, success can be addictive, but 621 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 7: success can also be destructive, I think sometimes, especially in 622 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 7: college sports, and I've seen teams that maybe got a 623 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 7: little bit too not necessarily big headed, but almost too complacent. 624 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 7: You know, one of Indiana's real superpowers last year was 625 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 7: that I hate buying into narratives or cliches, but that 626 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 7: ability to play with the chip on his shoulder, that 627 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 7: that sort of almost like angry disrespect for a sport 628 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 7: that didn't give Indiana the you know, it just deserves 629 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 7: being able to sort of maintain that edge even while 630 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 7: changing over the roster, which is just a natural part 631 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 7: of modern college football anymore, even given so much of 632 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 7: the offseason noise, and maybe some of that helped, I 633 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 7: don't know, but just for Indiana to almost come out 634 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 7: and be better in some respects, and listen, we're four 635 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 7: games in. I don't think I'm not sitting here. A 636 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 7: lot of people said Indiana's better than we're a year ago. 637 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 7: I watched last year's team win eleven games. I've watched 638 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 7: this your team win four games. So I'm not prepared 639 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 7: to to sort of make that declaration. But I think 640 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 7: there are reasons to believe that Indiana has improved in 641 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 7: some key areas notably the run game in the line 642 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 7: of scrimmage, and that Indiana might time will tell, but 643 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 7: might have an even higher ceiling this year than it 644 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 7: did a year ago. And you know, for Indiana to 645 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 7: be able to do that even through maybe some of 646 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 7: the distractions of success, even through at Signetti's talked about 647 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 7: having fewer of those guys that he brought with him 648 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 7: from James Madison that help him kind of set that 649 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 7: culture immediately, that it's got to be more guys doing 650 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 7: it organically. It's got to be more guys doing it, 651 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 7: you know, from an IU perspective and not just walking 652 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 7: in and saying, hey, this is how we did it 653 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 7: at the last place, so just watch us do it 654 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 7: and learn it has been that I think that, you know, 655 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 7: sort of intangibly has impressed me the most. 656 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 5: Zach Ostaman joining us here on a payloss lookers hotline, 657 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 5: he covers IU for Indie Stars. Zach and I'm sitting 658 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 5: here today and now you surry and I'll be wearying 659 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 5: IU GI all week as in Illinois, alum, because man, 660 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 5: that was a historic but with it. So when you 661 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: hear a coach say that they broke a teams will 662 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 5: and you're able to just validate it by what you 663 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 5: saw on the field. I mean, coaches talk all the time, 664 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 5: some of them talk, probably a little bit too much 665 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 5: for their liking, but I mean he backed it up, 666 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 5: his team backed it up. 667 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 4: And so where do they go from here from mentality standpoint? 668 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 5: And how hungry do you think this team is after 669 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 5: sort of proving themselves again on a national stage. 670 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think that the hunger piece is 671 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 7: probably played out by just how good Indiana was even 672 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 7: when it took its foot off the gas. I mean, 673 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 7: I think Indiana attempted something like four passes in the 674 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 7: second half of that game. And and please understand, I'm 675 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 7: not rubbing it in against the. 676 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 8: All I have. 677 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 4: I have been served already. 678 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 7: Worn Indiana gear in like fifteen years. So you know, 679 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 7: you're you're doing it for You're you're doing it for 680 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 7: both of us, because I've obviously got to maintain the 681 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 7: level of editorial neutrality. But I think you know there's 682 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 7: been there. There was in the immediate aftermaths, a lot 683 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 7: of oh Indiana ran up the score, and he Beelm 684 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 7: has said, you know that's what that's what you got 685 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 7: to do. You know, everyone has kind of learned that, 686 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 7: you know, style points will endear you to the committee, 687 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 7: but Indiana wasn't really trying to. I think that your 688 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 7: question about hunger probably is answered by the extent to 689 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 7: which it was second stringers. It was third stringers that 690 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 7: were still moving the ball, still getting first down, still scoring. 691 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 7: Bobe Martin is Indiana. He's now Indiana's third string running back. 692 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 7: Is their four string running back for Lee bb got hurt. 693 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 7: He's rushed for one hundred plus yards in what you 694 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 7: would generously describe as garbage time of each of these 695 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 7: last two games. And when it happened against Indiana State, 696 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 7: you can say, well, they put in their backups two 697 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 7: and the game was long over and all that. But 698 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 7: to do it against a ranked Big ten team, I 699 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 7: think that tells you just kind of where the overall 700 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 7: mindset is of this roster. And I think it you 701 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 7: know it again, it's sort of one of those things 702 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 7: where there's there's a rush. Because we are always sort 703 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 7: of we are all of us a little bit sort 704 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 7: of romantically endeared to what's right in front of us. 705 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 7: There is a rush to say, well, Indiana's better this 706 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 7: year than they were last year. You know, I said, 707 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 7: I think to one or two people this week, Indiana 708 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 7: could be better this year than they were last year 709 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 7: and still win fewer games, because that's the way the 710 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 7: schedule is, that's the way the sport works sometimes. But 711 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 7: I don't think you can look at what Indiana has 712 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 7: done across these first four games, and obviously the Illinois 713 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 7: game being you know, the prime example, and not at 714 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 7: least believe that Indiana's got that same hunger, that same edge. 715 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 7: And these are cliches that reporters don't like leaning on 716 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 7: too much, but there's really not much else you can 717 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 7: use to describe. You know, when Signetti said we broke 718 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 7: their will, I don't think he was, you know, kind 719 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 7: of like Indiana. I don't think he was really running 720 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 7: up the score. I think he was playing football. I 721 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 7: don't think Signetti in that moment was was talking trash 722 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 7: or you know, sort of being overly boastful. I think 723 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 7: he was just trying to describe what he saw on 724 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 7: the field, and it is what the rest of us saw, 725 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 7: which was an Illinois team that admittedly was shorthanded in 726 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 7: the secondary, and you know, there was some mitigation there, 727 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 7: and Illinois is probably not a top ten team over 728 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 7: the course of the whole season. But the way that 729 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 7: game by fifty three points, and to do it the 730 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 7: way that Indiana did it, you know that they earned 731 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 7: that victory. There was nothing fluky about it. I think 732 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 7: that tells you kind of where this team's mentality is 733 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 7: right now. 734 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 6: Zach Ostman from the Indianapolis Stars covered the indian Hoosios 735 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 6: for a long time, does an outstanding job. Zach, when 736 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 6: you speak to the differencency between this year and last year, 737 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 6: could the line of scrimmage both sides of it? Obviously 738 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 6: you saw the d line headline a whole lot Saturday night. 739 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 6: Is that an area that you do think could be better? 740 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 7: Yeah? 741 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: I do. 742 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 7: I do think that, And I mean I don't think 743 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 7: I'm the only one that thinks that. You know, when 744 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 7: when a lot of sort of like national people talking 745 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 7: heads btn different, you know, sort of people who aren't, 746 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 7: you know, sort of locked in the bubble of a 747 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 7: single beat, the way the way somebody like me can 748 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 7: be at times came through in the offseason. Came through 749 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 7: in the preseason. The offensive line was a group that 750 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 7: everyone kind of had their eyes on because that was 751 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 7: where I think you felt like Indiana was. You know, 752 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 7: I don't want to stick found out, but I think 753 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 7: clearly in need of improvement after the Ohio State game, 754 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 7: that a game, Notre Dame game last season. You know, 755 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 7: that Ohio State game is a great example. People kind 756 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 7: of forget because of the way we just again get 757 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 7: wrapped up in narratives. It was seven to seven, you know, 758 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 7: near the end of the second quarter of that game, 759 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 7: and it was two special teams miscues that they kind 760 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 7: of broke the game open for Ohio State. But the 761 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 7: reason why you were allowed to say Indiana was holding 762 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 7: its own in that game, but also say it was 763 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 7: very hard to imagine Indiana winning that game was conficiuldn't 764 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 7: the football after that first drive, you know, which was scripted. 765 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 7: It was methodical. It's impressive. Indiana just could not move 766 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 7: the football. They could not win at the line of 767 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 7: scrimmage at all. And you know, again, I think there 768 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 7: will be tougher tests, certainly this weekend, in three weeks 769 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 7: at Oregon, et cetera. But I think one of the 770 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 7: things that impressed people who again aren't locked in the 771 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 7: EU bubble so much about the Illinois game is that 772 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 7: physicality and you know that that idea of you aren't 773 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 7: going to out muscle us or out tough us at 774 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage. That is a ballmark of Brett Vielin. 775 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 7: The teams and Indiana fans know that too well from 776 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 7: some of the some of the beatings that Brett Vielin's 777 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 7: Wisconsin teams put on them. You know, he scored eighty 778 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 7: three points against them in twenty ten, sixty two points 779 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 7: against them in twenty twelve. I think what impressed people, 780 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 7: maybe nationally looking at it from a ten thousand view, 781 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 7: was how much more physical Indiana looked, and obviously defensively, 782 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 7: I think, you know, I heard you talking about Pat Coons, 783 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 7: you know, a good to Williams, Bryant Hanges. I think 784 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 7: they deserve a ton of credit for the way they 785 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 7: have developed a defensive line that had to replace a 786 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 7: lot of pieces. You know, they got mckelcamara back. He's 787 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 7: actually probably been a little bit quieter than what we 788 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 7: expected here through the first four weeks of the season. 789 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 7: I think you're getting a lot more attention from opposing 790 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 7: offensive lines, but that's allowed Joseo Wheeler, you know, dominic practice, 791 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 7: Mario Land, you know, telling whyatt Stephen Day, all these 792 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 7: these new faces or young players that are coming up, 793 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 7: Tyrek Tucker to go make plays. But the defensive line 794 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 7: you kind of looked at and said, hey, last year, 795 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 7: you know, the last two three years, really, if you 796 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 7: want to go back to JAMU, that group the coach 797 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 7: is handling that group, got it right, got it to 798 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 7: a place where it was prepared to compete at that level. 799 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 7: It was the offensive line that you felt like Indiana 800 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 7: needed to take that step forward this year. And again 801 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 7: it's four games in. There are some tough road tests coming. 802 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 7: You're going to play a team this weekend that's going 803 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 7: to challenge you physically again, then you're going to have 804 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 7: to go to Oregon in three weeks. But that is 805 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 7: an air that even since the offseason, since the spring, 806 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 7: since the summer, since fall camp, it has felt like 807 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 7: anyone who's laid eyes on this team has identified it 808 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 7: as an area of improvement. And I think through the 809 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 7: first four games we're seeing that play out. 810 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 6: Zach, last one for me a part apology before I 811 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 6: asked the question. I don't think you'll need to write 812 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 6: something like this, but we actually got one of these 813 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 6: questions while you were on and you know, you look 814 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 6: around the college football landscape right now. We'll see about 815 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 6: Clemson at the end of the season. We'll see about 816 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 6: Alabama at the end of the season. We'll see about 817 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 6: Florida at the end of the season. We could have 818 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 6: some rather notable openings. I did an extension through twenty 819 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 6: thirty two for whatever it was, eight million annually. Is 820 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 6: that kind of speak for itself? Or are you gonna 821 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 6: have to write one of these what happens if the 822 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 6: big schools down south come calling for Kurt Signetti articles again? 823 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 7: Yeah? I never say never with that stuff, you know, 824 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 7: I mean number one, I think even in the portal era, 825 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 7: you know, probably part of the reason why Kurt Signetty 826 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 7: made it as long as he did without a power 827 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 7: for school scooping him up, was his age and where 828 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 7: he was in his career. And listen, I think he's 829 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 7: proven you know that to be you know, a pretty 830 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 7: bad way of thinking about evaluating him as a coach. 831 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 7: But still, you know, he'll be sixty five by the 832 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 7: time next season starts. A lot of places are going 833 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 7: to want to feel like there's a better long term 834 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 7: plan in the portal era, though, I think maybe you 835 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 7: can get a school or two that just says, if 836 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 7: we can win now, we can build on it. You know, 837 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 7: even if this is only for five, seven, eight years 838 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 7: to get He's suggested he wants to coach until he's 839 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 7: seventy five. I think if the number he's thrown out before, 840 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 7: then again, all it takes is one. I would point 841 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 7: out a few things. Number One, Indiana has more money, 842 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 7: Like I mean, I don't want to say they have 843 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 7: more money than Clemson, but I do think that people 844 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 7: need topreciate the financial gap between the big Ken and 845 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 7: the ACC now that doesn't exist in the SEC. I say, 846 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 7: this is someone who grew up down there. SEC schools 847 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 7: are also just kind of weird sometimes, Like there were 848 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 7: people at Alabama that didn't want to hire Nick Saban 849 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 7: when when they when they pulled him back from the NFL. 850 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 7: That is just the nature of that conference and and 851 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 7: sort of the intelerity of those fan bases. It's it's 852 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 7: very strange. I also think there are some gonna be 853 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 7: some pretty appealing top line candidates down in that part 854 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 7: of the world this year. I think John sum Raw 855 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 7: it's golish if if a Florida or an Alabama opens 856 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 7: I wouldn't be stunned if they take a run at 857 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 7: Lane Kiffin, who is you know, has done really really well, 858 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 7: really really well at all miss Maybe he wants to stay, 859 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 7: who knows. I I also, again, I don't think it's 860 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 7: it's really easy to say, oh, he's you know, he's happy, 861 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 7: or he'll never leave. I do at this in Signetti 862 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 7: is very pleased with the structure that he has here, 863 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 7: with the sort of continued level of investment financially from 864 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 7: the athletics department. I think some of that, it shouldn't 865 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 7: be lost in people that some of that is coming 866 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 7: from the university as well. You know, it was the 867 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 7: university that loaned the athletics department roughly thirty plus million dollars, 868 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 7: mostly to cover the cost of the coaching transition between 869 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 7: between Talent and Kurt Signetti. The ethletics department handed, for example, 870 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti's strength and conditioning coach, who new contracts in 871 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 7: the off season to make sure he stuck around. Indiana 872 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 7: is bought into the idea of trying to make this work. 873 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 7: It understands how important football success in football agency is 874 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 7: going to be for schools in the next five to 875 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 7: ten years. In college eetics, and it is going to 876 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 7: do everything it can to remain where it has gotten 877 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 7: to under Kurt Signetti. That doesn't mean I can stand 878 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 7: here and say, unequivvaled, there is no chance that anyone 879 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 7: could turn his head again. All it takes is one. 880 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 7: But I do think it's important. The way I would 881 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 7: frame it more than anything else is that I do 882 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 7: think it is important to recognize that Indiana financially is 883 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 7: not what we would have thought of Indiana as ten 884 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 7: years ago. There is a level of financial competitiveness for 885 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 7: any team, frankly in the Big ten, but certainly one 886 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 7: that has been pretty fiscally responsible across the last ten 887 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 7: to fifteen years, that has updated a lot of its facilities, 888 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 7: that has been smart about how it's spent its money, 889 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 7: and that is pretty clearly pushing more and more of 890 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 7: it into football to get relevant and stay relevant when 891 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 7: it matters as much as it does now, the calculus 892 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 7: on whether it's going to be easy for a big 893 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 7: school to pull a coach away from Indiana has changed 894 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 7: a little bit. I'm not going to guarantee that it's impossible, 895 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 7: but it has changed. 896 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 2: Always good to talk to you, Zach. Thanks so much 897 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 2: for stopping. We appreciate it, enjoy the 898 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 7: Ride absolutely, Thanks for having me