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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal, Hartland and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: And while absolutely everything is about what's happening with Ice,

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Speaker 2: what's happening across the country, how the political left is

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Speaker 2: not only engaged in violence, they support it, they want it,

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Speaker 2: They fantasize about it.

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Speaker 3: This is their moment.

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Speaker 2: They don't look at this and say, tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: They look at this and say, when will the right crack?

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com.

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Speaker 4: But it's not just this that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, with very little fanfare, House Republicans voted with Democrats

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Speaker 2: to extend Obamacare subsidies for three more years, just you know,

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Speaker 2: because why not? So they had to shut down. They

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Speaker 2: didn't get what they want. They were promised that we

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Speaker 2: would have another vote, and Republicans said, three more years

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Speaker 2: of this of subsidies that were only covid era for

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Speaker 2: an Obamacare that's opposed to lower costs? Is this rational

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Speaker 4: Local?

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Speaker 2: Ed Marssey joins me right now from hot air dot com,

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Speaker 2: where he is the Kapa ditutikappo over there.

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Speaker 4: Good to see ed.

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Speaker 2: We will get into ice we've got. We can go

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Speaker 2: very very deep there specifically and especially about what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about regarding Western civilization, which I won't stop from.

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Speaker 4: This is obvious. The Marxism has taken hold.

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Speaker 2: If you send your kids to universities, you're out of

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Speaker 2: your head.

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Speaker 4: Well, depending on the university. We have a real danger here.

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Speaker 2: But Republicans voting for Obamacare subsidies seventeen, I think Republicans

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Speaker 2: voted with the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Do you see this as well? I guess Obamacare is

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Speaker 4: going to stay.

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Speaker 2: For the rest of Trump's presidency or is this Well,

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Speaker 2: you do this so the Republicans can say they voted

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Speaker 4: Then you make moves in the Senate and it'll be

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, certainly the possibilities there, right, and we've

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Speaker 5: talked about this is that I would have maybe said,

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Speaker 5: if you're looking to protect yourself on this, you do

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Speaker 5: year a one year extension of the subsidies, and then

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Speaker 5: you introduce a reconciliation package to try to undo everything.

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Speaker 3: And that may still be what's going to happen, which

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Speaker 5: They can introduce a reconciliation package that will then address

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Speaker 5: the entirety of Obamacare. The problem is that Republicans really

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Speaker 5: don't have a plan to deal with the entirety of Obamacare.

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Speaker 5: They still fifteen years down the road, still have not

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Speaker 5: at least that possibility does exist. A three year extension

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Speaker 5: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's better

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Speaker 5: than a two year extension, which would have been in

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Speaker 5: the middle of an election cycle. But really, honestly, the

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Speaker 5: one year extension would have been sufficient to do what

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Speaker 5: it is that's happening here. The reason why it's a

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Speaker 5: three year extension, of course, is because Mike Johnson didn't

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Speaker 5: get in front of this. Hakem Jeffries brought up a

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Speaker 5: bill I'm trying to figure discharge petition that forced the issue,

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Speaker 5: and because Hakem Jeffries and his caucus wrote that it

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's he played it smart.

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Speaker 3: That was smart. One of the other arguments.

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Speaker 2: Could be said, you know, you can't I think that

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Speaker 2: we need to get rid of Obamacare. Of course, you

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Speaker 4: Now, if it is indeed three years.

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Speaker 2: Hakim Jeffries took it off the table for the midterms

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Speaker 2: her mind for twenty twenty eight. So is that the

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Speaker 4: Look what we did to the Republicans.

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Speaker 2: The whole subject kind of gets washed away.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean he teed it up for the presidential elections,

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Speaker 5: let me take that back. No, he teed it up

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Speaker 5: past the presidential elections. So yes, again, one in three

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Speaker 5: it's passed the presidential election. One would have put it

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: They should have they should have know that this was

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Speaker 5: first passed. They chose to do a reconciliation package, but

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Speaker 5: issues in that one big beautiful bill. This is a

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Speaker 5: strategic choice, I guess by Mike Johnson in the White

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Speaker 5: have the ability now with the new Budget Resolution that

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Speaker 5: up a new reconciliation package that will deal with this issue.

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Speaker 5: But they have to have something to replace it, and

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Speaker 2: Believe it was California. And then you have the retirement

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Speaker 4: Not have a plan?

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Speaker 2: Nothing in goats on the subject of Obamacare. How many

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Speaker 2: years does it take to engage your strategicy in order

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go do this and do it quick, do

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Speaker 2: You've got the leadership, you've got the control of the

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Speaker 5: I think that they've kind of given up on getting

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Speaker 3: It's a mistake, but I think they've.

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Speaker 5: Kind of given up on it, and I think they've

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is already part of the collapse.

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Speaker 5: And the only option at the end of that kind

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Speaker 5: an even bigger disaster. That's where the left is pushing for.

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Speaker 5: Obamacare was always just a tee up for socialized medicine,

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Speaker 5: take this. It was a transition to socialized medicine. And

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Speaker 5: it's working.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't know if we say it's working,

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Speaker 4: That as a matter of policy.

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Speaker 2: For Democrats who want Medicaid for all, it's the Bernie

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, okay, and that that's working.

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Speaker 5: The problem is that they're establishing more and more government

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Speaker 5: you can read Hayek for this is that when government

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Speaker 5: intervention in a in an economic you know, central planning fails,

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Speaker 5: the answer is always more and more government intervention because

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Speaker 5: the people who fail at it are really aiming for

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Speaker 5: that type of thing anyway, and they what they believe

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Speaker 5: that they can force outcomes through central planning. And again,

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Speaker 5: if you read The Road to Serve Them by F. A. Hyek,

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Speaker 5: you can see exactly how this kind of thing works.

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Speaker 5: It's not just on the macro political scale of socialism,

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Speaker 3: Obamacare is central planning. It's failing. The answer to that

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Speaker 3: is going to be more central planning with more force

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Speaker 3: and a little bit more brutal application, because that's exactly

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Speaker 2: Then the left never learns from their mistake. They never

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Speaker 5: And it's never been tried. True socialism has never been tried.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, socialism has never been tried. I've got more with.

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey coming up. Keep it right here. I'm Tony

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Speaker 7: It's been wild, Elizabeth, and it's still actually unfolding. There's

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Speaker 7: rallied behind, raised a bunch of money, over six million dollars.

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Speaker 4: There was the main community foundation.

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Speaker 7: They promised everybody that all of the moneies were going

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Speaker 7: turns out that about thirty percent, one point nine million

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Speaker 4: We went to nonprofits.

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Speaker 7: We found that at least nine of them were immigrant focused.

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Speaker 3: Now, I can't make it up.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to call me a ZNFO or

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Speaker 4: It's the news. It's right there. Good Lord man people,

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Speaker 8: Manipulate the system and listen to how they did it.

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Speaker 7: One of those nonprofits is the Lewiston Auburn Youth Network.

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Speaker 7: They received sixty five thousand dollars. The Somali man who

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Speaker 7: runs it, you mom Osmond, sworn in a city councilor

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Speaker 7: done some digging. He's facing felony gun charges. He has

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Speaker 7: here using the dress. That is a condemned chicken restaurant.

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Speaker 2: There's a picture of it. There's a picture. It's called

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Speaker 2: fast Wicked Chicken. By the way, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's cliche or just genius that your location is a

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Speaker 2: not a you're doing poorly chicken restaurant. This guy clearly

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Speaker 4: That's right, Tony got all culture all up in there.

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Speaker 4: I have questions.

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Speaker 2: Galore directed thirty percent of the money.

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Speaker 4: That was supposed to go to these.

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Speaker 2: Victims families to nonprofits. Seven of nine Somali run. This

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Speaker 7: Nonprofit received the sixty five thousand from the Lewiston Victims Fund.

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Speaker 7: When survivors like Jennifer Zenka shot twice, received a mirror

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: So that's a story. That is a crazy story. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we're going to notice now I've been asked in a

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Speaker 2: very very silly question, Tony, tell us about those Islamists

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Speaker 4: You think this is some kind of dig.

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Speaker 2: The Islamist believes in a worldwide caliphate. The Islamist believes

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Speaker 4: If you're angry at me, Alexander for.

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Speaker 2: Noticing what it is that they themselves, the Islamists have said,

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Speaker 8: But I'm still gonna notice, kitten. I'm happy to notice

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Speaker 8: what it is that they say. Why won't you? Why

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Speaker 2: Christians cannot live with Islamists. Jews cannot live with Islamists.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how can you not notice it? It's shocking.

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Speaker 2: The people charged with crimes are the ones dealing with crimes.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say you should go about attacking a whole

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh.

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Speaker 2: that's why. If you want to argue it's because the

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Speaker 4: There, that is not the facts.

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Speaker 2: Even if you want to argue against American policy in

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Speaker 4: That doesn't change what they believe.

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Speaker 2: Their goal is as presented.

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Speaker 4: To them through the Qur'an. Get angry all you want.

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Speaker 2: It's right there in Surah, after Surah, after Surah.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're dealing with. That's what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: And you ask, now, if they want to spread a caliphate,

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Speaker 2: you think they'd conquer smaller, weaker Christians countries first, you

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Speaker 4: Hey man, thanks for the comments. I'm more than happy

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Speaker 2: So exactly how violent is the left? I'll answer you

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Speaker 3: And there is.

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Speaker 2: Nobody within that party, in any level of quote unquote

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz, Tony kats today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me bring back Ed Morrissey and continue our conversation.

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: With Edmarrissey right here from hotair dot com. Let's get

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Speaker 4: Now, you got the piece right here.

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Speaker 2: The new CNN video activists blocked the road, accelerated toward

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Speaker 4: She started going forward and turning to the right. Shots

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Speaker 2: The leftists will call ICE agents murderers. They don't even

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Speaker 4: First, let's talk.

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Speaker 2: About what you're writing about with this new CNN video

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Speaker 5: But the previous videos were very short, right, so you

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Speaker 5: Whether or not he was actually physically struck, but that

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Speaker 5: She could have chosen differently at many different steps, right.

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Speaker 5: enforcement gave her a legal order to do so. Instead,

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Speaker 5: she chose to try to flee and hit an officer

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Speaker 5: at least looked like she was trying to hit an officer.

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Speaker 5: That that's a choice, and she suffered the consequences of it.

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Speaker 4: This is the point. Talking to Ed Marssey of hotair

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Speaker 4: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Ed Marrissey m O R R I S S E

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Speaker 2: Y on the Twitter x if you want to follow him,

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Speaker 2: and you should that first, we have the left unwilling

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Speaker 2: to tell the whole story.

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Speaker 4: You had Chris Hayes on with Stephen Colbert.

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Speaker 2: You have Rachel Maddow on with Jimmy Kimmel, where Rachel

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Speaker 2: Maddow is actually having a conversation. Well, you know, they

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Speaker 2: tell us that if three and a half percent of

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Speaker 2: a population rises up against an authorian dictator, that authoritarian

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Speaker 2: dictator falls three and a half percent of the country.

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Speaker 2: If they rise up against an authoritarian, then that person

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Speaker 2: falls they are still pushing for the violence, and this

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Speaker 2: is the story.

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Speaker 4: They don't tell you what happened.

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Speaker 2: We are at the play set and I think everybody

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Speaker 2: knows this, but as we have to be engaging it

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Speaker 2: in full. The response to this was not whoa, whoa wah,

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Speaker 2: everybody needs to calm down. It was Ier murderers, Iceer fascists,

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Speaker 2: IICER authoritarians, attack Ice more, go after Ice more. Let's

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Speaker 2: post more videos of people blocking ICE agents in and laughing.

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Speaker 4: Let's post more videos of this sixty some odd.

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Speaker 2: Year old woman screaming hysterically at ICE agents with her

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Speaker 2: sign shoot me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw that video, see that.

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Speaker 4: It's maddening, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I could go into an entire ranch about liberal

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Speaker 2: white women.

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Speaker 4: But this is this is, this is bigger, This is stronger.

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Speaker 2: The Left as a party is encouraging the violence. You

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Speaker 2: had Jacob Frey, the mayor of Minneapolis, tell.

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Speaker 4: Ice, get the blank out of Ice.

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Speaker 2: Then you have Eric Swalwell, the congressman from California, telling

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Speaker 2: ICE get the blank out of California. Me personally, I

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Speaker 2: want Swallwell just to stay the blank out of Chinese spies.

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Speaker 4: That would make me much happier, but you have might make.

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Speaker 5: The Chinese spy happier too. Actually, I mean, let's face

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Speaker 5: it might have made the Chinese spy happier too, So.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay. The clear story here is that there is

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Speaker 2: no desire to reduce temperature. The only desire is to

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Speaker 2: increase temperature. And the only way this goes this increased

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Speaker 2: temperature is more violence, is more destruction.

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Speaker 4: This is proof that the Marxism is at play here.

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Speaker 2: It has taken hold and the party doesn't actually have

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Speaker 2: any connection to a Democrat party that's over This is

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Speaker 2: a progressive party.

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Speaker 4: This is a Marxist run party.

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Speaker 2: If we want to talk about who won in relationship

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Speaker 2: to the Obamacare conversation, it's Bernie Sanders who has won

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Speaker 2: this thing overall. And we are here and the party

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Speaker 2: must be prepared to address the Republicans, independence, moderates, Americans,

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Speaker 2: rational people, etc. Have to be prepared for the fact

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Speaker 2: that the violence is going to be taught in schools

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Speaker 2: and the violence is going to be perpetrated on the streets,

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Speaker 2: and the media is going to look at the violent

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Speaker 2: people as heroes and the people saying leave me alone

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Speaker 2: as the villains. How is this counter well.

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Speaker 5: First off, I agree with you, and I want to

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Speaker 5: just make a distinction here too, because we've always had

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Speaker 5: people shooting their mouths off right about about police in

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Speaker 5: general and all sorts of different things. In this case, though,

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Speaker 5: you had the governor of the state and the mayor

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Speaker 5: of the city that we're talking about going to war

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Speaker 5: with the federal government, that the federal government didn't have

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Speaker 5: any jurisdiction in their state and in their city, and

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Speaker 5: trying to gin up outrage in the immediate aftermath of

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Speaker 5: this shooting, trying to generate a riot in a place

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Speaker 5: that famously touched off riots across the United.

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Speaker 3: States six years ago. We got a little lesson six

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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 5: Then, apparently somebody must have whispered into Tim Walltz's ear

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Speaker 5: about the Insurrection Act and Donald Trump's very likely decision

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Speaker 5: to invoke it if Tim Waltz kept talking about going

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Speaker 5: to war with the with Ice agents using the State

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Speaker 5: National Guard. Because then Waltz got up and said, Okay,

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Speaker 5: don't do anything. Don't do anything, don't give don't give

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Speaker 5: him an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act, because the

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Speaker 5: Insurrection Act is something that Trump has basically plenary authority

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Speaker 5: to invoke and Tim Watts was basically declaring a rebellion

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Speaker 5: by saying that the state was or at least intimating

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Speaker 5: that the state was going to go to war against

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Speaker 5: the federal government by blocking federal agents from enforcing federal

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Speaker 5: law in the state of Minnesota. I mean, it's different

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Speaker 5: when officials do this than it is when just loud

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Speaker 5: mouths on social media or on street corners do it.

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Speaker 5: That's all the difference in this case.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we go any further, since it is everyone,

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Speaker 2: it is politicos, and it is those in the media,

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Speaker 2: whether they be on the so called news side, as

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Speaker 2: if you want to argue that MS now or miss

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Speaker 2: now is actually.

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Speaker 3: I call it M Snow. I call it M Snow.

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Speaker 5: I loved their ad where they were sitting there were

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Speaker 5: all the all the white women were talking about how

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Speaker 5: they were fighting for civil rights, and they had the

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Speaker 5: they had the actors of color doing the chin stroking

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Speaker 5: and nodding their nodding their heads. I call it M

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Speaker 5: Snow and that is the way I'm always going to

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Speaker 5: refer to that channel from from this point forward, M Snow.

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Speaker 4: You've got the so called news, the so called journalists,

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Speaker 4: you have the late night TV you have the.

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Speaker 2: Politicos all in concert pushing for, advocating, for supporting, and

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Speaker 2: not condemning violence. Therefore, the violence becomes the standard in

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Speaker 2: the norm and.

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Speaker 4: The you know, I argue often that the only way

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Speaker 4: out is through.

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Speaker 2: But is this different in the pantheon of American politics

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Speaker 2: and American culture.

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Speaker 5: I think it's similar to what we saw in the

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Speaker 5: late sixties and early seventies with war in Vietnam especially.

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Speaker 3: You know, it calmed down.

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Speaker 5: After the war was over, but we were seeing this

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Speaker 5: type of radical stuff, even from even from politicians in

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Speaker 5: that period of time. And I've talked with people who

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Speaker 5: were adults who passed through that era. I was a kid,

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Speaker 5: and so I have at least some you know, some

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Speaker 5: recollection of this era, but not in depth and sophisticated.

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Speaker 3: I've read about it.

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Speaker 5: Since then, so I understand it, but it didn't necessarily

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Speaker 5: lived through it as an adult. People who did say

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Speaker 5: that this is actually starting to approach those levels where

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Speaker 5: they were very concerned about things like armed rebellions, and

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Speaker 5: you're going to see groups like the Weathermen and the

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Speaker 5: Symbionese Liberation Army and that sort of thing start to form.

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Speaker 5: If politicians don't start acting responsibly. And if the media

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Speaker 5: doesn't start acting responsibly, and I'm talking about the media

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Speaker 5: across the entire board, the the just to make this point,

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Speaker 5: your point a little bit broader. The movie that's probably

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Speaker 5: going to win the Oscars and the most Oscars this

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Speaker 5: year is the one with Leonardo DiCaprio. And I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to think no battles left on fought or something I want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all about but it's all about taking.

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Speaker 5: Up arms against immigration forces, right, And I mean that's

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Speaker 5: fine for a movie, but that's the type of thing

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Speaker 5: that the media culture is celebrating. Is this insurrection type

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Speaker 5: of you know, the La revolucion type of.

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Speaker 3: You know culture. So, yes, it's bad.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's as bad as it was

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Speaker 5: in the late sixties and early seventies, but it's bad.

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Speaker 3: And until people.

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Speaker 5: Start gaining some perspective on what it means to responsibly

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Speaker 5: govern a constitutional republic, it's not going to get better.

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Speaker 5: And until people start paying political prices for this type

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Speaker 5: of thing, you're going to see it continue to escalate.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, people like Renee Good are going to be

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Speaker 5: the cannon fodder that ends up dying so that people

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Speaker 5: can continue to fund raise and gin up more outrage.

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Speaker 5: This is a woman who was manipulated at some level,

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Speaker 5: was manipulated by a bunch of people who are demagoguing

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Speaker 5: immigration enforcement. And that's Tim Waltz, that's Jacob Fry, that's

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Speaker 5: Alexandria Cassio Cortes. It's basically most of the Democrat Party leadership,

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Speaker 5: and voices like John Fetterman are few and far between

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Speaker 5: on that side of the aisle.

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Speaker 4: Yes, John Fetterman, the voice of reason. I mean that

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Speaker 4: tells you.

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Speaker 3: Who would have guessed, who would have guessed? Right much?

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Speaker 2: Ed morrisseyhotair dot com. Listen, I believe the midterms are

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Speaker 2: winnable for the Republicans. But we'll get you through that

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Speaker 2: another time. I'll be doing that having that conversation January

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you. More is coming up. I'm Tony Katz

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Speaker 4: and this is Tony Kats today. So just to say a.

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Speaker 2: Follow up to the story I was talking about about

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Speaker 2: the Uranians and the Iranian people there and rising up

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Speaker 2: and engage in protests and trying to get rid of

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Speaker 2: the Ayahtola. And I'll get into this more. You'll notice

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Speaker 2: that no one is standing up for them. Where are

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Speaker 2: all the protesters who are there for the poor Palestinians

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Speaker 2: stand up for the Iranians.

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Speaker 4: Well, one of the places they are is.

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Speaker 2: In front of a synagogue in a Jewish school in

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Speaker 2: New York, while they scream, we support Hamas, not the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people.

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Speaker 4: Hamas.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that we are no longer pretending.

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Speaker 4: That this was about supporting terrorists.

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Speaker 2: That you know that all this talk about the Palestinians

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Speaker 2: was always nonsense.

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Speaker 4: It was about how can you destroy Israel? At least

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Speaker 4: how they're honest about it.

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Speaker 2: You have a peace deal, you gave back hostages, other

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Speaker 2: nations are involved, and they're still going in front of

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Speaker 2: synagogues to protest and try and intimidate.

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Speaker 4: They've told you who they are. It's who they always were,

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Speaker 4: only the Left tried to cover with. I'm Tony Katz