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Speaker 2: Or from under penalty of perjury that the testimony you're

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Speaker 2: about to give is true and correct to the best

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Speaker 2: I do. That's the record, show that the witness has

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Speaker 2: You can be seated, and please know that your written

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Speaker 2: entirely accordingly, we ask that you summarize your testimony.

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Speaker 3: Madame Attorney General, you may begin.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you Chairman Jordan, ranking Member Raskin, and

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Speaker 4: distinguished members of this committee. Thank you for hosting me

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Speaker 4: here today. I'm grateful for the opportunity to answer your questions,

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Speaker 4: highlight the work of our department, and discuss the most

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Speaker 4: important topic of all, keeping the American people safe. A

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Speaker 4: little over a year ago, I was sworn into office

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Speaker 4: as an eighty seventh Attorney General of the United States.

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Speaker 4: I came into office with the goal of refocusing the

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Speaker 4: Department of Justice on its core mission. After years of

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Speaker 4: mission is to fight violent crime, protect the American people,

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Speaker 4: and defend the rule of law above all else. While

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Speaker 4: Crime is declining. It did not happen by accident. The

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Speaker 3: Trump did this, and Trump did that.

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Speaker 1: American people. I'm arguing that it's a bad presentation, not

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Speaker 1: bad data. It's great data. Violent crime is down, and

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Speaker 3: It's a much more uplifting message. It's a much more

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Speaker 1: This is great. You can feel the difference. When we

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz Today. Find

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Speaker 1: everything at Tony kats dot com. So you have nine dead,

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Speaker 3: It's ugly stuff.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, mister Chairman. Good morning, Attorney General BONDI. Right here,

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Speaker 5: thousands of survivors from Jeffrey Epstein's horrific sex trafficking ring.

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Speaker 5: They have shown such cridible courage in speaking out, in

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Speaker 5: The Epstein Files Transparency Act required your Department of Justice

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Speaker 5: Let me show you what actually happened. First, in violation

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Speaker 1: Now, first things first, I don't quite understand the person

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Speaker 3: Good to be here, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Second thing, second, I can't believe that I could find

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Did I say, hello, Tony Katz, Tony Kats today?

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Speaker 1: I forget my name is Tony Cats? To show is

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Speaker 1: so did Bill Clinton? You just say, you can't just

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Speaker 1: But Epstein had this that's a way closer relationship that

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Speaker 1: wasn't my style. I didn't I didn't realize how right

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Speaker 1: I was right. Sometimes you get a good read, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you don't get a good read. We've all had the

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Speaker 1: situation where we've been duped. But Epstein, I think this

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Speaker 1: was after he was already found guilty of a series

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Speaker 1: of things and there's a Bannon say.

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Speaker 3: Like, let me help rehabilitate you. Is that I went

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Speaker 3: down very, very messed up.

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Speaker 1: But the idea of the conversation here from Primilo Giapaul

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Speaker 1: was about why are these people.

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: She's doing it as an attack on Trump, and this

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Speaker 1: is why it fails. It should be about why in

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Speaker 1: the world don't we know these names.

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Speaker 5: Second, the survivors were not similarly protected, also in violation

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Speaker 5: of the law. Here is another email titled Epstein Victim List.

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Speaker 5: We have blurred the names of the survivors for their protection,

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Speaker 5: but your Department of Justice initially released this list of

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Speaker 5: thirty two survivors' names with only one name redacted, along

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Speaker 5: with numerous files that disclose not only the names, the emails,

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Speaker 5: and the addresses of survivors, but also nude photographs, and

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Speaker 5: even the identities of Jane Does, who had been protected

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Speaker 5: for decades until your department released their names. Survivors are

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Speaker 5: now telling us that their families are finding out for

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Speaker 5: the first time that they were trafficked by Epstein. In

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Speaker 5: their words quote, this release does not provide closure. It

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Speaker 5: feels like a deliberate attempt to intimidate survivors, punish those

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Speaker 5: who came forward and reinforced the same culture of secrecy

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Speaker 5: that allowed Epstein's crimes to continue for decades.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to get to Pambondi's answer, but I

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Speaker 1: want to say, for the record, this is exactly why

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Speaker 1: I said we should not have the discharge petition.

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Speaker 3: We should not vote.

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Speaker 1: To open up the Emstein files like this. We should

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Speaker 1: have care in making sure that these names weren't out there.

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Speaker 1: That's what we said here. That is not what the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party said. Let's get Trump, Let's get Trump, Let's

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Speaker 1: get Trump, Let's get Trump. Oh, everybody else be damn,

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Speaker 1: Let's get Trump. Let's get Trump. Let's get Trump. And

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Speaker 1: they went forward with Republicans in a discharge petition. I'll

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Speaker 1: put it on her, but I'm curious to hear Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondi's response to the extent that there is one.

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Speaker 5: To the sur in the room. If you are willing,

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Speaker 5: please stand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're wearing the same shirt. There's a bunch and

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Speaker 1: if you are willing, please raise your hands.

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Speaker 5: If you have still not been able to meet with

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Speaker 5: this Department of.

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Speaker 1: Justice, that's all them raises.

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Speaker 5: Know for the record that every single thrivor has raised

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Speaker 5: their hand. Attorney General Bondi, you apologize to the survivors

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Speaker 5: and your opening statement for what they went through at

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Speaker 5: the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. Will you turn to them

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Speaker 5: now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has

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Speaker 5: put them through with the un absolutely unacceptable release of

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Speaker 5: the Epstein files and their information.

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Speaker 4: Youngerswoman, you set before Merrick Garland set in this chair twice.

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Speaker 5: Attorney General fund I'm going to finish my answer. No,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to reclaim my time because I asked you

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Speaker 5: generalcific question that I would like question to answer, which is,

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Speaker 5: will you turn to the survivors. This is not about

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Speaker 5: anybody that came before you. It is about you taking

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Speaker 5: responsibility for your Department of Justice and the harm that

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Speaker 5: it has done to the survivors who are standing right

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Speaker 5: behind you and are waiting for you to turn to

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Speaker 5: them and apologize for what your Department of Justice numbers.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to say that this is some ugly

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Speaker 1: and cheap stuff. It's ugly and cheap because, as I described,

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Speaker 1: the discharge petition didn't take enough care. And that's on you,

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Speaker 1: Promila Jaia Paul. But if things were supposed to be

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Speaker 1: covered names through ADACTA and they weren't, that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: And you put yourself in this position. My problem is

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Speaker 1: this is all made for TV. I don't think Formela

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Speaker 1: Giapaul cares at all.

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Speaker 3: This is about the struggle session. This is this is.

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Speaker 1: About how can I turn this into political victory. I

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Speaker 1: do not believe that Promeila Gipaul gives a damn about

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Speaker 1: these women.

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Speaker 3: In the slightest.

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Speaker 1: Names of victims should not have been released.

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Speaker 2: What happens next, Members get to ask the questions, the

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Speaker 2: witness get to answer in the way they want to answer.

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Speaker 3: That there's not accurate, mister.

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Speaker 5: Chairman, because she doesn't like the answer. So, mister chairman,

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Speaker 5: why I have asked?

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Speaker 4: She asked generic Garland, this reclaiming getting the gutter for

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Speaker 4: her theatrix.

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Speaker 2: The time belongs to the time belongs to the general lady.

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Speaker 2: The general lady has seventeen seconds.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. You're not going to answer this question, so

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Speaker 5: let me just pair man' what a massive.

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Speaker 3: You restore her times.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, fantastic, terrific, wonderful. It's serious stuff. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. This is why people hate politics. This

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Speaker 1: is why it's just such crap. We have women being

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Speaker 1: trafficked and raped and here we have this. What kind

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Speaker 1: of show can we put on? It's it's why people

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Speaker 1: throw up their hands and stop caring, and then they

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Speaker 1: stop voting, and then what do we get?

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Speaker 3: We get bad things, And that's the hardest part. The

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Speaker 3: hardest part is you can't stop caring. You got to

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Speaker 3: keep at it.

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Speaker 1: It was tougher for these women. It should be about

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Speaker 1: them who abused them and how we bring those people

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Speaker 1: to justice.

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Speaker 3: That has to be the focus. I'm Tony Katz. This

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Speaker 3: is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: There's more that could be shared from Pam Bondi's testimony.

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Speaker 3: I mean there is, And it got as ridiculous as

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Speaker 3: you thought it would. It never ever ever stopped.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking earlier about how this is

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Speaker 1: why people hate politics. Is why they give up. That's

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Speaker 1: why they forget voting for it, everything, forget these people.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is exactly why.

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Speaker 4: The President said, they guided.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we go time along time, We will give you

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Speaker 2: a few more seconds.

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Speaker 3: We will do that.

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Speaker 2: But when you ask a questions, you may not like

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Speaker 2: the answer, but she it's too question was how many of.

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Speaker 4: They don't like the answer, chairman? Because it's on it

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Speaker 4: So he asked question the store.

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Speaker 3: You can let her feel abust for all day long,

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Speaker 3: but not on our watch. Good gosh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and you better believe it gets worse from there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, on these Epstein files, the person that

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Speaker 1: we have to further dig in with is Howard Lutnick,

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Speaker 1: the Commerce Secretary, whom I don't. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: things progress with him from here. It's one thing to

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Speaker 1: have said I had run ins with Jeffrey Epstein, which

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Speaker 1: everybody within a certain financial number did, right, But then

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Speaker 1: I stayed away from him and then admit, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was on vacation with my family on my boat,

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Speaker 1: and we stopped at his island and had lunch with him, me,

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Speaker 1: my family, the kids, the nannies, some friends. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how Lutnik keeps going after that revelation, and

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Speaker 1: I will get into more explanation. Why find everything at

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Speaker 1: tonycats dot com tomorrow. Everyone take care,