1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Hello. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: a very special guest on the hotline. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 3: Ryan Headrick is from the WIBC newsroom and he is 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 3: down in Bloomington the campus of IU and tonight it's 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 3: a Turning Point USA event. This was originally scheduled to 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: be Charlie Kirk, the late Charlie Kirk. Since his assassination, 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson was booked. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: To fill in. 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: Ryan set the scene for us right now. Are you 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: seeing any protesters? Are there people? What are we looking at? 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, thanks for having me on good evening. It's 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: a wonderful night here in Bloomington. Mild and you know, mild, 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: both weatherwise and protester wise. There's only a few people. 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm staring at a woman who sign reads 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: TPUSA is a hate group. That's the extent of the 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: protests out here. You have a few people talking about 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Israel and ham the norm the normal talking points that 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: that side I guess uses when they come to events 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: like this. But I'm looking at thousands of people. I'm 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: at show Walter Fountain if you know where that is, 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: by the auditorium, and the line just stretches for blocks 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: and blocks, and all you see is American flags, TPUSA 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: flags and of course Charlie Kirk freedom shirt. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: Did you say thousands of people? 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do believe there are thousands of people to 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the naked eye. I mean, if I walk around show 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: Walter Fountain and walk back down the street where I 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: came from along East eighth Street is where I depart. Yeah, 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: the line is down the block and it's getting longer 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: as I speak. They just started to let people in, 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: and they have metal detectors as you go in. In fact, 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: I can see a cop frisking somebody right now. And yeah, 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: they have metal detectors on either side entering from the 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: north and south ends of the auditorium and people people 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: are still showing up, guys. 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: And for those who might not be familiar with how 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: these events are different than what Charlie Kirk used to do. 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: Charlie used to predominantly be at an outdoor location, correct 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, Ryan, Most of these newer turning 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: point events have been moved indoors for security. 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, most of these are indoor for security. This will 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: be tonight, Tucker Carlson will be speaking. As you guys 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: mentioned when I was driving down here listening to you guys, 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: he's going to be speaking. They rotate guest hosts, guests speakers, 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: I guess, and I'm not sure if Tucker is going 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: to be behind any bulletproof glass. I don't think so, 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: given the fact that they're walking through metal detectors right now. 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: From a security standpoint, are you seeing any sort of 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: additional security something that would make you say, wow, this 51 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: is above and beyond what I would normally see if 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: any other speaker was coming to campus. 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: No, every you know, everybody is pretty controlled. The state 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: police are helping Bloomington police, and Bloomington police are helping 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: i U University police. In fact, I just spoke to 56 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: a young cop on the university at the university level 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: who's from Indianapolis, and I said, what's the vibe out here? 58 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: He's like, man, this is this is easy. This is 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people just want to see what's going 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: to happen. I did talk to two people, uh this. 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: One girl said that, you know, she feels it's a 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's appearance here is a threat to the black community. 63 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: She feels that the campus is too slanted. Right. She 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: said something like this would never happen for her. 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, Ryan, Yeah, let me stop you. Right, 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: there's a woman who absolutely said I use campus was slanted, right. 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, she said, I use campus is slanted, right. 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: She said, it's a sixty forty mix of conservatives to 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: liberals in her student body, in her student body class. 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: And she said she feels threatened by Tucker Carlson. I 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: asked her, what did Tucker say or what has Tucker 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: said in the past that would insinuate he was threatening 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: or not wanting to have a healthy dialogue, and she 74 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: said that he's a Trump supporter and Trump wants to 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: be a dictator. That is okay, people, That's exactly what 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: people that are protesting this event have to say out here. 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: Most of the people, though, are here to engage Tucker 78 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: in friendly conversation. 79 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: Ryan, do you have a sense of what is going 80 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: to happen at this event tonight? Tucker obviously speaking, he 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: is the main event. But what is the point of this? Actually? 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: I think the point of this is to continue the 83 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: momentum that Turning Point USA created before Donald Trump was elected. 84 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: I think anybody that watched the election knows that Charlie 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: was his ground game was really strong, and what he 86 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: did is he went into hostile environments and talked to 87 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: people and changed their minds. And I think there's a 88 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: lot to be said when you look at how many 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: millennials voted for Donald Trump and how much sway there 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: was on college campuses. I talked to a guy named Lucas. 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Here's the perfect example. I talked to a guy named 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Lucas from Chicago. He's a sophomore here at IU. His 93 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: roommate is a Trump supporter. He says that he can 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: feel the shift on this campus. When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: he felt the political shift, at least the willingness to 96 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: want to listen to the opposing side. And I think 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: that's what Charlie Kirk did so well. So I think 98 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Turning Point as an organization feels like they have an 99 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: obligation to continue that momentum. And I think if they 100 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: think if they bring out the heavy hitters looking ahead 101 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: to the midterms and the twenty eighth presidential election, I 102 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: think they feel that can make an impact if they 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: keep these events going on at campuses. 104 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: We're speaking with Ryan Hedrick from the WIBC newsroom. He 105 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: is down in Bloomington at IU covering the Turning Point 106 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: USA event tonight. Tucker Carlson is filling in replacing the 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: late Charlie Kirk. Governor Brawn also scheduled to be in attendance. Ryan, 108 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: Based off of everything that you're telling me, it sounds 109 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: like it's a pretty chill environment right now. I know 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: the event doesn't get going until like after seven o'clock. 111 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: Based on what we saw with the Israel Palestine protests, 112 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: Are you surprised it's so laid back right now? 113 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? I do, because I mean there's a lot of cops. 114 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: There's at least nine police officers within direct eyesight, eyeline 115 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: of mind, and I also believe that people are more 116 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: willing to listen and not be so quick to hurl 117 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: insults or even to carry out violence. What we saw 118 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: in September tenth was horrific, Charlie Kirk being assassinated. Everybody 119 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: saw the video. People that haven't seen the video suggest 120 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: you not see the video. But I think that given 121 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: the magnitude of Charlie Kirk's legacy, what we saw from 122 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: his memorial and Turning Point USA's saturation of events around 123 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: this country. They continue to turn these events out. I 124 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: think we're going to see people that are open to change, 125 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: people that aren't open to change. Maybe at least would 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: become willing to sit down and listen and have their 127 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: mind change. 128 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: Remind us one more time where the event with Turning 129 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: Point and Tucker is actually happening. 130 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: All right, So show Walter Fountain. You have the Lily 131 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Library and the auditorium. The auditorium at the top of 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: the hill. They're letting people in. But I have to say, like, 133 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: if you're down here and you're thinking about coming here, 134 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no use because all the tickets are gone, 135 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: even the standing rooms are gone, the reservations are gone. 136 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Some people, like talk to in line, are skeptical that 137 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: they're even going to get in. There's a couple right 138 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: here talking to an usher, kind of pleading with her. 139 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: They have their reservation ticket and she's like, that's not 140 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: enough to get in. So people that have guaranteed seating 141 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: or getting in, people on the outskirts looking in just 142 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: hope to get in, if that makes sense. 143 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: Right, right, Hey, Ryan, last thing here before we let 144 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: you go. I remember in twenty twenty, the Summer of 145 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: Love if you will. The protests went from peaceful to 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: mostly peaceful when the sun went down. Any concern that 147 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: once the sun goes down and maybe this event starts 148 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: letting out, there may be some more activity. 149 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I think the police are 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: on top of it, and I don't see any palettes 151 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: with bricks at the corner being dropped off, So I 152 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: don't think there's any chance for violence, but you never know. 153 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: I you police are doing a great job, and again 154 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: there's an aggressive overlap of police patrols. With three agents, 155 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: he's covering this campus and everybody seems like they're not 156 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: willing to go down that route. 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: Hey, Ryan, where can we follow more on this event tonight? 158 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: So I've started posting videos. I posted an interview with 159 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: two girls at Indiana Wesleyan and Marion. They're trying to 160 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: get a TPUSA chapter started. I shared their story on 161 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: x and I also have a video of the line 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: stretching around the block so you can see just how 163 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: many people are here at ninety three WIBC at Sure 164 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: to Cover, and of course you could follow me on 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: TikTok at Sure to Cover Number two. 166 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: Ryan Headrick from the WIBC Newsroom, Ryan, amazing stuff man. 167 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: We appreciate you taking the time to keep us up 168 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: today with what's going on. 169 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank all right, thanks guys, I appreciate you. 170 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.