Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. I never once, in any of my
Speaker 1: conversations anywhere, say that first you have to agree with me.
Speaker 1: You don't have to agree with me. Even when I
Speaker 1: say I'm right, I'm just making the point of this
Speaker 1: is where I'm at. I am willing to engage in
Speaker 1: the disagreement doesn't mean that you have to agree with me.
Speaker 1: I can't force someone to agree with me. I'm okay
Speaker 1: with conversations with people I disagree with. There are places
Speaker 1: where I do indeed have redlines based on policy and philosophy.
Speaker 1: Communism is one of those places. There's no place in
Speaker 1: any civil society for communism. There's no value to communism.
Speaker 1: One would have to be a fool to think that
Speaker 1: communism provides a value. One would actually have to be
Speaker 1: as dumb as a Columbia University graduate. Tony Katz. That's me,
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Speaker 1: You don't have to be in total concord to be decent.
Speaker 1: You don't. It doesn't have to be done. There are
Speaker 1: plenty of things that Pat McAfee, the content creator radio host,
Speaker 1: has said that I'm like, nope, that's not me. But
Speaker 1: he's also created a world, and he's created a following,
Speaker 1: a fan base, and a value that ESPN saw, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's put sixty million dollars into this guy. That sixty
Speaker 1: million dollar number matters because the other day it's the
Speaker 1: Patriot Games and Pat McAfee is there and the President
Speaker 1: is there. And actually Pat McAfee met President Trump as
Speaker 1: he got was there on the tarmac on the plane
Speaker 1: and it's raining and Trump's there holding the umbrella and
Speaker 1: McAfee is there, jeans, black t shirt, white hat turned backwards. Hey,
Speaker 1: mister president, how you doing. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he gave him the finger guns or what
Speaker 1: have you. It was very weird, but all right. He
Speaker 1: met the president there and then they were at the
Speaker 1: Patriot Games together and they were sitting next to each other.
Speaker 1: Social media exploded with anger, and in that social media
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of people who are sports podcasters
Speaker 1: and sports radio hosts infuriated, and what are they doing.
Speaker 1: They're calling Pat McAfee a pedophile because they've decided that
Speaker 1: Trump is a pedophile, and now we know that this
Speaker 1: is a lie, but they don't care because what they're
Speaker 1: doing is not engaging in any kind of honesty, which
Speaker 1: would be man. I am not a fan of Trump.
Speaker 1: You're sitting with him. I would never do such a thing.
Speaker 1: What they're doing is going to the lowest common denominator
Speaker 1: and buying into any lie and pushing any lie because
Speaker 1: they don't care that it's a lie. All they know
Speaker 1: to do is I don't like Therefore attack, don't engage
Speaker 1: on policy, don't engage on philosophy, engage in the lies.
Speaker 1: Because anything that destroys the target is good. This is alensky.
Speaker 1: Pick the target, personalize that frees it, and polarize it,
Speaker 1: ridicules man's most potent weapon. It doesn't matter if it's true,
Speaker 1: just say it. Every conversation about Trump as pedophile is
Speaker 1: a lie. And those people are liars, and they know
Speaker 1: they're liars, and they've been proven liars. We see that
Speaker 1: they're liars. They don't care. They don't care because their
Speaker 1: emotion controls them and they have no capacity to deal
Speaker 1: in the realities. They cannot engage politically, they cannot engage
Speaker 1: in policy. All they have is their emotion. Now, why
Speaker 1: do they have the emotion? It is a good question.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that. They call him Pat McAfee
Speaker 1: a pedophile, they call him a sellout, they call him disgusting.
Speaker 1: You know, Pat McAfee has a music album coming out
Speaker 1: this Friday. I'm going to bet any amount of money
Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of like Eddie Murphy coming out
Speaker 1: with an album. I'm so glad he decided to stick
Speaker 1: to comedy. But people are mocking the album coming out.
Speaker 1: How dare a guy having fun with his life? I
Speaker 1: have fun with his life. How dare him try something?
Speaker 1: What's the big deal? Don't buy the album? By the way, Uh,
Speaker 1: Pat bought the album and listen to it, and I
Speaker 1: hope you had a good time with it. My god,
Speaker 1: this was a bunch of crap. Stick to the radio.
Speaker 1: You might say that, attacking him for doing something. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: you have to stay in your lane. That's one of
Speaker 1: the things that they always say. Stay in your lane?
Speaker 1: What's my lane? If it's my lane, aren't either one
Speaker 1: who decides what it is that would make sense. It's
Speaker 1: my lane, it's not your lane. It's my lane. I
Speaker 1: get to decide what is in my lane. And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of things in my lane, and I
Speaker 1: might decide to wait for it, change lanes because I
Speaker 1: decide my lane. The best thing in the world you
Speaker 1: will ever see when I say the best. The most
Speaker 1: horrifying is that people will decide that you're You're only
Speaker 1: allowed to do this one thing. They see you a
Speaker 1: certain way, You're only allowed to do this one thing.
Speaker 1: I know that there are people out there who see
Speaker 1: me as a radio host. It's all Tony can be
Speaker 1: as a radio host. There's nothing more on a radio host.
Speaker 1: I don't see myself that way. I do talk radio,
Speaker 1: I do TV, I podcast, I write, I create, and
Speaker 1: I'm an excellent lover. I have got a panoply of
Speaker 1: things that I do. One lane, baby, I got a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of lanes. No one gets to decide that
Speaker 1: but me. And for you, no one gets to decide
Speaker 1: it but you. But somehow, because Pat McAfee is in
Speaker 1: the public guy, everyone gets to decide his lane and
Speaker 1: then they'll go actor's employer. How could ESPN possibly have
Speaker 1: hired this guy? He gets sixty million dollars a year
Speaker 1: and they fired really talented journalist. No, first of all,
Speaker 1: they weren't talented journalists. I want to make sure we're
Speaker 1: clear about this at ESPN. The people who got fired
Speaker 1: were not, in the main talented journalists. They sucked. ESPN
Speaker 1: became a terrible garbage place of politics. It became impossible
Speaker 1: to watch. And for the record, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear Pat McAfee engage in politics. This wasn't engaging in politics.
Speaker 1: The President of the United States was there and you
Speaker 1: were invited to sit with him. You sit with him.
Speaker 1: He's still the president. What kind of madness is this
Speaker 1: that we're now going inside for sitting down pedophile. It
Speaker 1: was not an endorsement of anything other than I recognize
Speaker 1: that that's the president, and let's make sure we understand
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with here. The leftist does not want
Speaker 1: to admit to this thing. Nothing is allowed to humanize.
Speaker 1: You can't admit that he's a president. Oh not my present.
Speaker 1: You can't admit that he's human. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: you do to him. It doesn't matter that you call
Speaker 1: for people to kill him, it doesn't matter that their
Speaker 1: assassination attempts. The only thing that matters is that these
Speaker 1: people keep on missing. It has been beyond vitriolic, and
Speaker 1: I had a very good time yesterday. I was recording
Speaker 1: the Cigar and Bourbon Show, Eat, Drink, Smoke with fingers
Speaker 1: Will Low and every time he'd be like, you're ready
Speaker 1: to go, I be like, called out. I'm just responding,
Speaker 1: and it'd be like, would you stop stop doing it?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't, it's just too good. I'm funny,
Speaker 1: and I'm responding to all these tough guys. A lot
Speaker 1: of them. They do. They host a podcast about this
Speaker 1: team or that team, right think about the thing that
Speaker 1: they're interested in. They do a show about it radio hosts.
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of something I have said before,
Speaker 1: and that is the sports guys are very bad at
Speaker 1: the politics. One or two guys we are able to
Speaker 1: do the crossover stuff. I've mentioned Will Caine before, I've
Speaker 1: mentioned Klay Travis before, But the sports guys are very,
Speaker 1: very bad at the politics. And part of the issue
Speaker 1: is is that the sports guy does not when it
Speaker 1: comes to things political have to go deep. They don't
Speaker 1: have to do research, they don't have to engage philosophy.
Speaker 1: They don't have to understand the history. They don't have
Speaker 1: to understand how the dots connect. There is no study.
Speaker 1: There is only what will ensure I can possibly get
Speaker 1: the next interview. There is no question that what Lebron
Speaker 1: James said about Darryl Moury, that then general manager of
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, was wrong. Darryl Moray. What was the
Speaker 1: guy was? Mit? Where was he with his brain? He
Speaker 1: had to educate himself on the Hong Kongers because Darryl
Speaker 1: Moray said free Hong Kong. No no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no Ooh Lebron James wanted that sweet sweet China
Speaker 1: cash and didn't care whose neck got a boot. That's
Speaker 1: what happened. But oh no, Lebron is so great. You
Speaker 1: know he created a school. You know he did this, dude,
Speaker 1: that was an ugly thing for him to do. Throw
Speaker 1: Hong Kongers under the bus. Also floppity flop flop, not
Speaker 1: so interested. And for the record, Michael Jordan was better
Speaker 1: case closed. Ah, but the sports guy having no desire
Speaker 1: to dig in on the philosophical, on the historical of
Speaker 1: how some of these political things move and maneuver, having
Speaker 1: no willingness to engage honestly and clearly on the subject
Speaker 1: at hand. Rather, they have been taught that their emotional
Speaker 1: fervor for their team or for the sport will suffice.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a practical application. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be an intellectual pursuit. This is one of
Speaker 1: my laments. By the way of talk radio and Toto
Speaker 1: and the influencer class. All you have to do is
Speaker 1: show how angry you are. All you have to do
Speaker 1: is show this is how real man does it. And
Speaker 1: all this other horsecraft the idea that you can actually
Speaker 1: connect the dots politically, philosophically, historically, that is like an
Speaker 1: ancient art. And I'm like, well, obscrewed, because this is
Speaker 1: kind of what I do in between smoking cigars and
Speaker 1: being quite humorous. And I want to keep doing the
Speaker 1: thing I do, and I'm gonna keep doing it if
Speaker 1: it means I lose out on a couple hundred stations.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's the way it goes. But the sports
Speaker 1: guy never ever ever got checked on the emotion and
Speaker 1: having to ground that with the actual pursuit of the
Speaker 1: data in question. The emotion and the opinion, said Louder
Speaker 1: is what got them success. I have nothing against Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith zero. I don't know what the hell he has
Speaker 1: done to get me to believe that when it comes
Speaker 1: to political acumen or political theory. He's a guy I
Speaker 1: should be listening to. I'm not mad at him. I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at him, and I only applaud the idea
Speaker 1: of the attempt. You got to go out there and
Speaker 1: do the thing. You have to go out there and
Speaker 1: do the thing, and you got to get your butt kicked.
Speaker 1: How else do you think it happens. I've been at
Speaker 1: this for a while, and when I first started, I
Speaker 1: got to live in crap kicked out of me. Of
Speaker 1: course you did. You didn't think about this? What about that?
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the rejection? How do you
Speaker 1: deal with the response? How do you process to be
Speaker 1: able to connect it to other things, to be able
Speaker 1: to further prove a point a theory of philosophy? It
Speaker 1: takes time. At this stage. It is still about studying, research,
Speaker 1: and some of it is just muscle memory. You've already
Speaker 1: heard that thing before, so you know exactly where you're
Speaker 1: going and how you're gonna respond to it. Where is
Speaker 1: the confrontation to their politics? And the answer is, for
Speaker 1: the sports guy, it doesn't exist. And it is why
Speaker 1: I have said from the beginning, when the sports guys
Speaker 1: get involved in the politics, dear gosh, are they terrible
Speaker 1: at it? Now? I don't say, shut up and talk
Speaker 1: about dribbling. You can do it all you want, sports guys,
Speaker 1: but the vast majority of you suck at it. I
Speaker 1: don't care. You've got forty million subscribers, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There are people with more subscribers than me. There are
Speaker 1: people with less subscribers than me. There are people with
Speaker 1: more subscribers who are very bad at this. There are
Speaker 1: people with subscribers who are very good at this. It's
Speaker 1: just real. You watch these people responding to Pat McAfee.
Speaker 1: Not a one of them. I say it clearly, without
Speaker 1: any hesitation. They don't have a mind. It is pablem, pablem.
Speaker 1: If you had said, man, that's a nutty thing to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a nutty thing to do, Just nutty. That's sitting
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. That's nutty. What did you want him
Speaker 1: to do? Punch Trump in the face, and they'll answer
Speaker 1: with yes, And that's how broken they are. And by
Speaker 1: the way, that is actually a true story of somebody
Speaker 1: I know who was asked to appear in an event
Speaker 1: with Trump, and Trump hugged the guy and the response
Speaker 1: was you should have punched him in the face. Seriously,
Speaker 1: the response he got. There's more to that story, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it all right now. It has
Speaker 1: been talked about publicly, but I don't know if I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to say it on air. They're broken people who have
Speaker 1: no interest in what you and I have an interest in,
Speaker 1: which is the actual pursuit of the understanding of the
Speaker 1: thing in question. They say, let me show how good
Speaker 1: and decent I am by calling Pat McAfee names, by
Speaker 1: insulting his children, by attacking his job, and then these
Speaker 1: people over here will like me. And oh, look at
Speaker 1: all the hits I got, Look at the clicks I got.
Speaker 1: And that was the last twenty four hours. That was
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Guys, don't worry. Pat mcfee'll
Speaker 1: be back, you know, in the barrel again. People coming
Speaker 1: at him. When you create success, it happens. They absolutely
Speaker 1: want to tear you down. Do I agree with Pat
Speaker 1: McFee politically. I don't know everything about Pat McAfee politically.
Speaker 1: I've never had to sit down and talk to the
Speaker 1: guy politically. If I ever got the opportunity, the cigars
Speaker 1: are on me, Pat, I got, I got bourbon. It's
Speaker 1: all right here. It's not as big as your studio,
Speaker 1: but it's home. I'd agree, I disagree, what have you.
Speaker 1: He's gonna say something one day in the future and
Speaker 1: be like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. It's
Speaker 1: going to happen. He's not an idol and he shouldn't
Speaker 1: be treated like some kind of special angel. He sat
Speaker 1: with the president. Yeah, everyone just needs to move on
Speaker 1: with their day. Oh, and stop screaming things like pedophile.
Speaker 1: You all sound weird, really really weird, And as we
Speaker 1: learned from Tim Walls, that's the worst thing someone can be.
Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz, and this right here, it's Tony Katz today.