WEBVTT - Tony Katz on Pat McAfee Backlash from Patriot Games

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<v Speaker 1>Live from Vaal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Katz today. I never once, in any of my

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<v Speaker 1>conversations anywhere, say that first you have to agree with me.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to agree with me. Even when I

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm right, I'm just making the point of this

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<v Speaker 1>is where I'm at. I am willing to engage in

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<v Speaker 1>the disagreement doesn't mean that you have to agree with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't force someone to agree with me. I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with conversations with people I disagree with. There are places

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<v Speaker 1>where I do indeed have redlines based on policy and philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>Communism is one of those places. There's no place in

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<v Speaker 1>any civil society for communism. There's no value to communism.

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<v Speaker 1>One would have to be a fool to think that

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<v Speaker 1>communism provides a value. One would actually have to be

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<v Speaker 1>as dumb as a Columbia University graduate. Tony Katz. That's me,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, what's up everybody? Tony Kats today. An

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<v Speaker 1>absolute pleasure to be here, at pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be in total concord to be decent.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't. It doesn't have to be done. There are

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of things that Pat McAfee, the content creator radio host,

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<v Speaker 1>has said that I'm like, nope, that's not me. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's also created a world, and he's created a following,

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<v Speaker 1>a fan base, and a value that ESPN saw, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put sixty million dollars into this guy. That sixty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar number matters because the other day it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriot Games and Pat McAfee is there and the President

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<v Speaker 1>is there. And actually Pat McAfee met President Trump as

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<v Speaker 1>he got was there on the tarmac on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>and it's raining and Trump's there holding the umbrella and

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<v Speaker 1>McAfee is there, jeans, black t shirt, white hat turned backwards. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>mister president, how you doing. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he gave him the finger guns or what

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<v Speaker 1>have you. It was very weird, but all right. He

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<v Speaker 1>met the president there and then they were at the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriot Games together and they were sitting next to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Social media exploded with anger, and in that social media

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<v Speaker 1>there are a bunch of people who are sports podcasters

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<v Speaker 1>and sports radio hosts infuriated, and what are they doing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're calling Pat McAfee a pedophile because they've decided that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is a pedophile, and now we know that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a lie, but they don't care because what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing is not engaging in any kind of honesty, which

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<v Speaker 1>would be man. I am not a fan of Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting with him. I would never do such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What they're doing is going to the lowest common denominator

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<v Speaker 1>and buying into any lie and pushing any lie because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care that it's a lie. All they know

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<v Speaker 1>to do is I don't like Therefore attack, don't engage

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<v Speaker 1>on policy, don't engage on philosophy, engage in the lies.

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<v Speaker 1>Because anything that destroys the target is good. This is alensky.

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<v Speaker 1>Pick the target, personalize that frees it, and polarize it,

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<v Speaker 1>ridicules man's most potent weapon. It doesn't matter if it's true,

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<v Speaker 1>just say it. Every conversation about Trump as pedophile is

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<v Speaker 1>a lie. And those people are liars, and they know

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<v Speaker 1>they're liars, and they've been proven liars. We see that

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<v Speaker 1>they're liars. They don't care. They don't care because their

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<v Speaker 1>emotion controls them and they have no capacity to deal

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<v Speaker 1>in the realities. They cannot engage politically, they cannot engage

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<v Speaker 1>in policy. All they have is their emotion. Now, why

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<v Speaker 1>do they have the emotion? It is a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get to that. They call him Pat McAfee

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<v Speaker 1>a pedophile, they call him a sellout, they call him disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Pat McAfee has a music album coming out

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<v Speaker 1>this Friday. I'm going to bet any amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be kind of like Eddie Murphy coming out

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<v Speaker 1>with an album. I'm so glad he decided to stick

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<v Speaker 1>to comedy. But people are mocking the album coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare a guy having fun with his life? I

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<v Speaker 1>have fun with his life. How dare him try something?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the big deal? Don't buy the album? By the way, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Pat bought the album and listen to it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you had a good time with it. My god,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a bunch of crap. Stick to the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>You might say that, attacking him for doing something. Oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to stay in your lane. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that they always say. Stay in your lane?

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<v Speaker 1>What's my lane? If it's my lane, aren't either one

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<v Speaker 1>who decides what it is that would make sense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>my lane, it's not your lane. It's my lane. I

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<v Speaker 1>get to decide what is in my lane. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things in my lane, and I

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<v Speaker 1>might decide to wait for it, change lanes because I

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<v Speaker 1>decide my lane. The best thing in the world you

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<v Speaker 1>will ever see when I say the best. The most

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying is that people will decide that you're You're only

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do this one thing. They see you a

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<v Speaker 1>certain way, You're only allowed to do this one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there are people out there who see

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<v Speaker 1>me as a radio host. It's all Tony can be

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<v Speaker 1>as a radio host. There's nothing more on a radio host.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see myself that way. I do talk radio,

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<v Speaker 1>I do TV, I podcast, I write, I create, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an excellent lover. I have got a panoply of

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<v Speaker 1>things that I do. One lane, baby, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of lanes. No one gets to decide that

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<v Speaker 1>but me. And for you, no one gets to decide

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<v Speaker 1>it but you. But somehow, because Pat McAfee is in

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<v Speaker 1>the public guy, everyone gets to decide his lane and

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll go actor's employer. How could ESPN possibly have

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<v Speaker 1>hired this guy? He gets sixty million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>and they fired really talented journalist. No, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't talented journalists. I want to make sure we're

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<v Speaker 1>clear about this at ESPN. The people who got fired

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<v Speaker 1>were not, in the main talented journalists. They sucked. ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>became a terrible garbage place of politics. It became impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to watch. And for the record, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear Pat McAfee engage in politics. This wasn't engaging in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>The President of the United States was there and you

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<v Speaker 1>were invited to sit with him. You sit with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still the president. What kind of madness is this

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<v Speaker 1>that we're now going inside for sitting down pedophile. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not an endorsement of anything other than I recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the president, and let's make sure we understand

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<v Speaker 1>what we're dealing with here. The leftist does not want

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<v Speaker 1>to admit to this thing. Nothing is allowed to humanize.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't admit that he's a president. Oh not my present.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't admit that he's human. It doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 1>you do to him. It doesn't matter that you call

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<v Speaker 1>for people to kill him, it doesn't matter that their

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<v Speaker 1>assassination attempts. The only thing that matters is that these

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<v Speaker 1>people keep on missing. It has been beyond vitriolic, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a very good time yesterday. I was recording

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<v Speaker 1>the Cigar and Bourbon Show, Eat, Drink, Smoke with fingers

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<v Speaker 1>Will Low and every time he'd be like, you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go, I be like, called out. I'm just responding,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'd be like, would you stop stop doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can't, it's just too good. I'm funny,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm responding to all these tough guys. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them. They do. They host a podcast about this

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<v Speaker 1>team or that team, right think about the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they're interested in. They do a show about it radio hosts.

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<v Speaker 1>And it reminded me of something I have said before,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the sports guys are very bad at

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<v Speaker 1>the politics. One or two guys we are able to

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<v Speaker 1>do the crossover stuff. I've mentioned Will Caine before, I've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Klay Travis before, But the sports guys are very,

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<v Speaker 1>very bad at the politics. And part of the issue

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<v Speaker 1>is is that the sports guy does not when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to things political have to go deep. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to do research, they don't have to engage philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have to understand the history. They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand how the dots connect. There is no study.

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<v Speaker 1>There is only what will ensure I can possibly get

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<v Speaker 1>the next interview. There is no question that what Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>James said about Darryl Moury, that then general manager of

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<v Speaker 1>the Houston Rockets, was wrong. Darryl Moray. What was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was? Mit? Where was he with his brain? He

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<v Speaker 1>had to educate himself on the Hong Kongers because Darryl

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<v Speaker 1>Moray said free Hong Kong. No no, no, no, no

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<v Speaker 1>no no Ooh Lebron James wanted that sweet sweet China

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<v Speaker 1>cash and didn't care whose neck got a boot. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. But oh no, Lebron is so great. You

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<v Speaker 1>know he created a school. You know he did this, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that was an ugly thing for him to do. Throw

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kongers under the bus. Also floppity flop flop, not

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<v Speaker 1>so interested. And for the record, Michael Jordan was better

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<v Speaker 1>case closed. Ah, but the sports guy having no desire

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<v Speaker 1>to dig in on the philosophical, on the historical of

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<v Speaker 1>how some of these political things move and maneuver, having

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<v Speaker 1>no willingness to engage honestly and clearly on the subject

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<v Speaker 1>at hand. Rather, they have been taught that their emotional

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<v Speaker 1>fervor for their team or for the sport will suffice.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be a practical application. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be an intellectual pursuit. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my laments. By the way of talk radio and Toto

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<v Speaker 1>and the influencer class. All you have to do is

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<v Speaker 1>show how angry you are. All you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is show this is how real man does it. And

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<v Speaker 1>all this other horsecraft the idea that you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>connect the dots politically, philosophically, historically, that is like an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient art. And I'm like, well, obscrewed, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what I do in between smoking cigars and

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<v Speaker 1>being quite humorous. And I want to keep doing the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I do, and I'm gonna keep doing it if

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<v Speaker 1>it means I lose out on a couple hundred stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, that's the way it goes. But the sports

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<v Speaker 1>guy never ever ever got checked on the emotion and

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<v Speaker 1>having to ground that with the actual pursuit of the

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<v Speaker 1>data in question. The emotion and the opinion, said Louder

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<v Speaker 1>is what got them success. I have nothing against Stephen A.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith zero. I don't know what the hell he has

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<v Speaker 1>done to get me to believe that when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to political acumen or political theory. He's a guy I

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<v Speaker 1>should be listening to. I'm not mad at him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not mad at him, and I only applaud the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the attempt. You got to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>do the thing. You have to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>do the thing, and you got to get your butt kicked.

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<v Speaker 1>How else do you think it happens. I've been at

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<v Speaker 1>this for a while, and when I first started, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to live in crap kicked out of me. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course you did. You didn't think about this? What about that?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with the rejection? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the response? How do you process to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to connect it to other things, to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to further prove a point a theory of philosophy? It

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<v Speaker 1>takes time. At this stage. It is still about studying, research,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of it is just muscle memory. You've already

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<v Speaker 1>heard that thing before, so you know exactly where you're

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<v Speaker 1>going and how you're gonna respond to it. Where is

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<v Speaker 1>the confrontation to their politics? And the answer is, for

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<v Speaker 1>the sports guy, it doesn't exist. And it is why

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<v Speaker 1>I have said from the beginning, when the sports guys

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in the politics, dear gosh, are they terrible

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<v Speaker 1>at it? Now? I don't say, shut up and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about dribbling. You can do it all you want, sports guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but the vast majority of you suck at it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. You've got forty million subscribers, It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people with more subscribers than me. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people with less subscribers than me. There are people with

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<v Speaker 1>more subscribers who are very bad at this. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people with subscribers who are very good at this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just real. You watch these people responding to Pat McAfee.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a one of them. I say it clearly, without

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<v Speaker 1>any hesitation. They don't have a mind. It is pablem, pablem.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had said, man, that's a nutty thing to do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a nutty thing to do, Just nutty. That's sitting

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<v Speaker 1>with Donald Trump. That's nutty. What did you want him

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<v Speaker 1>to do? Punch Trump in the face, and they'll answer

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<v Speaker 1>with yes, And that's how broken they are. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that is actually a true story of somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I know who was asked to appear in an event

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<v Speaker 1>with Trump, and Trump hugged the guy and the response

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<v Speaker 1>was you should have punched him in the face. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>the response he got. There's more to that story, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna give it all right now. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been talked about publicly, but I don't know if I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to say it on air. They're broken people who have

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<v Speaker 1>no interest in what you and I have an interest in,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the actual pursuit of the understanding of the

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<v Speaker 1>thing in question. They say, let me show how good

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<v Speaker 1>and decent I am by calling Pat McAfee names, by

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<v Speaker 1>insulting his children, by attacking his job, and then these

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<v Speaker 1>people over here will like me. And oh, look at

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<v Speaker 1>all the hits I got, Look at the clicks I got.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the last twenty four hours. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty four hours. Guys, don't worry. Pat mcfee'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back, you know, in the barrel again. People coming

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<v Speaker 1>at him. When you create success, it happens. They absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>want to tear you down. Do I agree with Pat

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<v Speaker 1>McFee politically. I don't know everything about Pat McAfee politically.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had to sit down and talk to the

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<v Speaker 1>guy politically. If I ever got the opportunity, the cigars

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<v Speaker 1>are on me, Pat, I got, I got bourbon. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all right here. It's not as big as your studio,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's home. I'd agree, I disagree, what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna say something one day in the future and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. He's not an idol and he shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be treated like some kind of special angel. He sat

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<v Speaker 1>with the president. Yeah, everyone just needs to move on

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<v Speaker 1>with their day. Oh, and stop screaming things like pedophile.

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<v Speaker 1>You all sound weird, really really weird, And as we

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<v Speaker 1>learned from Tim Walls, that's the worst thing someone can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tony Katz, and this right here, it's Tony Katz today.