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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

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Speaker 2: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there sitting

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Speaker 2: in studio with us about to go off the rails.

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Speaker 3: It's Rob Kendall. Rob, how are you great?

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our segment sponsor Garage Doores of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And look, it is three guys in the same room

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Speaker 1: who have never been indicted by the fans.

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Speaker 4: We gamble a lot, but we gamble with the right people.

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Speaker 4: We don't get involved with the mob.

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Speaker 3: What a crazy story.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you guys talk about that gambling story in

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Speaker 2: the sporting world right now in your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again we talked about this earlier in the show.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's not even the gambling or the mafia stuff,

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Speaker 4: it's the technology. Yeah, that went into this, Like that

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Speaker 4: is something from like a James Bond movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other side of this is these guys,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Rosier or Billups.

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Speaker 2: I mean Phillips is a Hall of Famer Chauncey Billups. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a big name.

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Speaker 3: How much do you need?

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Speaker 1: Like with the Billups, it can't be the money, It's

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Speaker 1: gotta be the thrill, right, Like like why would you

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Speaker 3: And then with Rosey Ear, it's.

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Speaker 1: The same thing. The guy's made a ga jillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: You can't need that money, can you?

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Speaker 4: Somebody cashes a prop bet on you and you get

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Speaker 4: a cut. Do you not have millions of dollars in

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Speaker 4: your bank account? Did you blow your money?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That's what's most fascinating to me is what's gonna come

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Speaker 1: out about why these guys did this? And it's gotta

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Speaker 1: be just the the thrill of the eve. Indeed they did?

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Speaker 1: You working with the mafia? I don't know, like something dangerous.

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Speaker 1: I too like to live dangerously.

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Speaker 2: You did a great job of explaining what people essentially

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Speaker 2: and I was wondering if you could go through that.

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Speaker 2: I was walking the door. That's my duty before I

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Speaker 2: come to work every day. Now I gotta walk the dog.

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Speaker 2: I gotta walk Junior up and down before and the

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Speaker 2: dog was the nickname for something else. Nijel you still

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Speaker 2: in the shower. I am walking the dog. Leave me alone.

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Speaker 2: It's a democratic shut down. But it's it's more than that,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? Rob kind of as we're moving along through

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Speaker 2: this kind of give us your analysis.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the Republicans are acting like some

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Speaker 1: approving Biden's spending levels. I mean, that's what this is.

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Speaker 1: They've had full control of the government for ten months

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Speaker 1: So those are the quote unquote good guys in the equation.

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Speaker 1: Once again, Republicans not fulfilling campaign promises to get spending

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Speaker 3: So that's that.

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Speaker 2: But the other but but you do admit they want

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Speaker 2: to get rid of these as you call them, super subsidies. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but we're just adding her in the thet. So let's

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Speaker 2: talk about this. So in twenty twenty, the federal government,

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Speaker 2: just like our state government, decided we're gonna play a

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Speaker 4: But from a marketing perspective, all right, I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: think about this in terms of wins and losses? Who's

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Speaker 4: winning this thing? The people are getting screwed, But which

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Speaker 4: Republicans want to go back to Biden level spending, which

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Speaker 4: is ridiculous. But if the other side says no, that's

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Speaker 4: not good enough, well can't they say? Listen, all we

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Speaker 3: You're keeping it closed. This is on you. That's problem.

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Speaker 1: They won't do it, though they have never acknowledged what

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Speaker 1: Well, right, and so what they did was they said,

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Speaker 4: So we are scheduled to speak with Senator Jim Banks

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Speaker 4: his angle is going to be the Democrats own this.

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Speaker 4: This is their shutdown. The government could be open, but

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Speaker 4: What would be your response to something like that?

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Speaker 1: My question, Jim Banks say is why are you voting

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Speaker 1: for Biden's spending levels? Why do you guys keep campaigning

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Speaker 1: on getting spending under control, which is inflation? And look,

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll get the government under control.

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Speaker 1: I think we're putting two trillion on the debt as

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Speaker 3: When does this stop?

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Speaker 1: That's what I would ask him.

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Speaker 3: When does this stop? All right?

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Speaker 4: So let's pivot to the redistrict conversation that's taking place

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that. He's basically turned into Blue Tarski

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Speaker 3: See fight, fight fight. During the property tax rally.

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Speaker 1: He has said from the beginning, if the votes aren't there,

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Speaker 4: Like this, it seems to be the same Republicans in

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Speaker 4: whether it's the property tax debacle, whether what's happening now?

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Speaker 4: Are we going to see pressure from Washington? And again,

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Speaker 4: this is another thing we asked the governor yesterday. Are

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Speaker 4: to primary Rod Bray? Now you know my thoughts on

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Speaker 4: because they're what's the case gonna be? What's the guy

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Speaker 3: What's his case gonna be?

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Speaker 1: Hello, mister Smith, I'm here to talk about your bad

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Speaker 4: Though not on property tax. Rod Bray is the reason

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally. But I'm understand that. But you're not

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Speaker 1: what it's affording to stay in our homes. Where were

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Speaker 2: With you, and nobody wanted to say it was the

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Speaker 2: late Charlie Kirk that was doing exactly what you're describing

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Speaker 2: and talking about redrawing the congressional maps and threatening Indiana. Right.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to speak ill of the dead,

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Speaker 1: because the Republicans in this state and in Washington don't deliver.

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Speaker 1: They lie and they lie and they lie there.

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Speaker 4: But if you have the opportunity to remove the snake

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Speaker 4: or cut the head off the snake metaphorically speaking here,

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Speaker 4: and I viewed the snake as Rod Bray. This dude

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Speaker 4: you know what for how long?

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Speaker 3: For me?

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Speaker 4: It's almost like al Capone. They brought al Capone in.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get him on like mafia and gangster stuff.

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Speaker 4: They got him on tax evasion, but they ultimately got

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Speaker 4: him in. If you could remove that butt sniffer, I

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Speaker 4: don't care for what. I think the state's gonna be

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Speaker 3: The problem is.

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Speaker 1: Though he's not up till twenty eight, he just got reelected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. He don't care.

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Speaker 2: He didn't.

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Speaker 1: Look, here's what happened in Indiana. And I know I

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Speaker 1: I need more time, but we don't have it. When

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Speaker 1: The governor was back in charge again and really ruling

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Speaker 1: the roost. They have said with Braun, we think you're

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Speaker 1: a big fat phony. We think you're a guy just

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Speaker 1: And that's what Bray is doing here. He's saying, I'm

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Speaker 1: not dealing with crap and losing senators or losing House

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Speaker 1: seats because you want to be friends with Trump. I'm

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Speaker 1: the boss here and we ain't doing this. And it

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Speaker 1: looks like Bron's gonna have to eat it again, which

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Speaker 1: is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Talk about the Big podcast one more time. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you guys are discussing the biggest headlines right now that

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Speaker 2: are in the world of the sporting news. What's the

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Speaker 2: podcast called The Degenerates next Door and we're the degenderates

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Speaker 2: that have not been indicted.

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Speaker 3: Let me make that perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Rob and I not professional handicappers professional betters, but

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Speaker 4: we do this show with two guys that are Kenny

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Speaker 4: Britt of KBS Sports David stephanoff a fall Never. These

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Speaker 4: guys are professional handicappers. They do this for a living.

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Speaker 4: The podcast is mainly designed to where we give out free picks.

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Speaker 4: On the show, we talk a lot of trash. But

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Speaker 4: today's episode, Rob, we're talking some James Bond stuff. We're

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Speaker 4: talking about mafia tie ends and dumb NBA players and that's.

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Speaker 1: What it is, right, This is just stupid behavior to

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Speaker 1: have all of this stuff. But one guy's a coach,

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Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer. That are guys an Active

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Speaker 1: puts a third guy that's involved in this, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you threw it all away for what How much of

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Speaker 1: a cut did you get on this? How badly did

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Speaker 1: you need to play poker with the mafia? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is what's gonna be fascinating to me. Why did

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Speaker 1: these guys do this?

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Speaker 4: Yes or no around the board. If the mafia asked

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Speaker 4: you to play cards with them, do you say yes.

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Speaker 3: That's a big negative for me, rob Yeah, like that guy.

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Speaker 1: Of the Sopranos, remember when Robert Patrick.

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Speaker 4: But also in Sopranos, David Lee, Roth and lt are

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Speaker 4: in their playing poker too.

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Speaker 3: Like if I were in that role as sure, maybe up.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be working with them or working

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Speaker 4: for them because you're gonna have to owe them at

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Speaker 4: some point.

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Speaker 1: But hey, hey, you're totally broken. You lost your house

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Speaker 1: and all your family's future. But you can play cards

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Speaker 1: with David Lee Roth Andel team. What's coming up on

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Speaker 1: the Big Show tomorrow, Well, we'll continue getting this redistricting thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're getting down to the nitty gritting

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Speaker 1: on time what they're gonna have to do. We'll get

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Speaker 3: Plus, as I said, we.

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Speaker 1: Went thirty eight trial. We went past thirty eight trillion

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Speaker 1: in debt thanks to garage doores of Indianapolis. Great job

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Speaker 1: not getting dinted by the feds.

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Speaker 3: You guys