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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, we've got to the Sweet sixteen coming up

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Speaker 2: for college basketball and already the coaching carousel. If you

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Speaker 2: think about a carousel, right, you think about a slow

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Speaker 2: moving kids ride where the little horses are going up

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Speaker 2: and down, and maybe maybe there's one little elephant that

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Speaker 2: your little boy likes to get on or throw something

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Speaker 2: like that. Right now, that that carousel it's blown a gasket. Man,

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Speaker 2: it's just spinning wildly out there. Who knows who's gonna

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Speaker 2: end up where we're gonna leave a job for multi

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Speaker 2: millions to go to another job worth multi millions.

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Speaker 1: I heard this.

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Speaker 2: I heard this morning that Will Wade as rumored to

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Speaker 2: go back to LSU at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: I did see that as well. Yeah, uh, And then

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Speaker 1: you got Kansas.

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Speaker 2: It could be Bill self is making rumblings about maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't feel well enough to do this job.

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Speaker 1: You'll make a decision.

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Speaker 2: The serious thing, right, he's had all kinds of health

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Speaker 2: issues and North Carolina's parting way with one of their

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Speaker 2: family members and Hubert Davis and it's just now down

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Speaker 2: at Miami.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about giving Todd Golden.

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Speaker 2: An extension for the third year in Alora, Florida. I'm sorry, Florida,

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Speaker 2: for the third year in a row.

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Speaker 3: So I know Kevin made this remark earlier about certain

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Speaker 3: coaches will get a raised with a couple extra zeros

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Speaker 3: they haven't earned. Boy, once in my life, I would

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Speaker 3: love to experience that, right, sounds a good life, doesn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the market changes and all of a sudden, I'm getting

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Speaker 3: a raised because just because you know, made it to

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Speaker 3: the NCAA Tournament in year three or whatever the case

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Speaker 3: may be for our resume.

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Speaker 4: But that's the reality of what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: But but Golden's put some gold in his pocket though

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Speaker 2: he's playing with out.

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Speaker 3: He won a national championship last year, and they had

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Speaker 3: a really good team this year as well. But as

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Speaker 3: someone who is still I think i'm I would say

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Speaker 3: far as just how things work and how they's worked.

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Speaker 4: In the past.

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Speaker 3: What do you think is a job that's too big

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Speaker 3: to not consider North Carolina. I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: that conversation came up with Kurtzignetti not this past season,

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Speaker 3: but like after that first year at IU, it's like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, how much do they have to pay to

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Speaker 3: make sure he stays at IU? Because i U isn't

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Speaker 3: Penn State, it isn't Alabama, it isn't whatever.

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Speaker 4: But what are the isn't schools on that list?

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Speaker 5: I saw one of the names. It was Tommy Lloyd

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Speaker 5: last night. Yeah, and I'm kind of thinking to myself, Man,

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Speaker 5: isn't Arizona a great job? I mean, first off, if

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Speaker 5: you want to play the geography game, I'm not too

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Speaker 5: worried about UCLA and USC. I think I could have

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Speaker 5: a pretty good footprint in the LA area or southern

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Speaker 5: California area. Right from a recruiting standpoint, you know, if

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Speaker 5: you want to stretch it up a little bit more,

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Speaker 5: you got to go all we up to Gonzaga, you know,

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Speaker 5: really to have a program you're worried about, right, you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe being in the Big twelve geographically it's not like

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Speaker 5: super ideal, but you know, from a basketball standpoint, it's

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Speaker 5: a great conference. So yeah, to me, it's kind of like,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't you be pretty content there? I mean, financially, I

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Speaker 5: guess I'd have to look at dollars and cents a

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Speaker 5: little bit. But you know, when you're in North Carolina,

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Speaker 5: I mean, right there in your own backyard, you got

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of competition from obviously a duke standpoint there.

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Speaker 5: So that was a name when I saw that mentioned. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: I think Tommy Lloyd's a great coach, but I'm like,

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Speaker 5: you know, isn't Arizona pretty close to being on that

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Speaker 5: same level present day?

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Speaker 5: I mean, and that's the credit Tommy Lloyd, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, And they've got history of ared Arizona too.

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Speaker 5: I don't actually got Carolina history, but still they've got

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Speaker 5: enough that I think, and clearly from you know, not

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Speaker 5: that they've been nil crazy, but they've done enough. And

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Speaker 5: you know, Tommy Lloyd's done a nice job at the

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Speaker 5: International Pipeline, which I think kind of dates back to

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Speaker 5: his Gonzaga days. But when I saw that news last night,

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Speaker 5: I thought to myself, you know what, if Purdue advances

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Speaker 5: with Arizona, they're potentially in the Elite eight, might be

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Speaker 2: Here's another thing that's crazy too, and I chalk this

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Speaker 2: up more to fans maybe being hopeful than anything.

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Speaker 1: Real to it.

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Speaker 2: But there's a group of I saw a group of

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Speaker 2: online folks that are Entucky fans are like, bring Caliperi back,

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Speaker 2: get rid of Pope, Let's bring Caliperry back. Let's would

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Speaker 2: anything shock you at this point you smile and you

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Speaker 2: drop your head, James, But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: would you just would you go, oh, man, I never

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Speaker 1: That's College of Basketball in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Honestly I dropped my head. But I dropped my head

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Speaker 3: probably because I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think cal would go back.

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Speaker 3: I can't rule it out, but yeah, that would be

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Speaker 3: that would be a wild one for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's like dusting May's name with North Carolina. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, don't you have a pretty good thing going

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Speaker 5: at Michigan Financially you seem to be in a pretty

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Speaker 5: healthy state. I mean, look at what he was able

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Speaker 5: to do from a portal standpoint, and you know, I

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Speaker 5: think you got to ask yourself as a coach too,

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Speaker 5: do you want to be sitting on that front burner

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Speaker 5: and when you're out of Carolina or you're to Kentucky

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Speaker 5: or you're Hell. When you're at in Indiana, you're on

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Speaker 5: the front burner, and that thing is gonna get hot

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Speaker 5: And I get some people, I'd say, well, if you're

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Speaker 5: the major nil money, this and that. Okay, I can

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Speaker 5: listen to that conversation a little bit, but I don't

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Speaker 5: know there's something to do with a I'm pretty content

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Speaker 5: with my situation financially. We got a good thing going.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to be you know, signing every baby

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Speaker 2: Well, you look at someone like Kurt Signetti two years

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Speaker 2: at IU, obviously had a tremendous first year, makes the

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Speaker 2: College Football Playoff, wins it all in the second year,

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Speaker 2: in Bloomington. His family's been there for a couple of

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Speaker 1: You know, a guy like that, where else does he

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are all valid questions, but I also

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Speaker 3: just wonder how much do you know coaches are crazy

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Speaker 3: and they care about being competitive, which is why they're

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Speaker 3: in that field. And does any you say it's North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: I can I not look at that. I mean, let's

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Speaker 3: be honest. That helps them as a brand. It's a

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Speaker 3: school that Michael Jordan went to.

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Speaker 2: It's funny I was telling you all the things they

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Speaker 2: You brought up Gordon Hayward at Butler and what his

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Speaker 1: To be there.

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Speaker 2: He was on a podcast yesterday and the guys down

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Speaker 2: know who would be the perfect.

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Speaker 1: Guy there, It's Brad Stevens. He'd be absolutely the perfect

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Speaker 2: And then the logical part of your brain goes, the

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Speaker 2: dude's making millions of dollars to run one of the

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Speaker 1: Would he want to do that in today's world?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the time commitment.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to a few coaches about that and just

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Speaker 3: the changing landscape and boy, it's just a lot you're

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, when you're a college coach, you're not

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Speaker 3: Rick Carlisle in the NBA, which is more sad, and

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Speaker 3: and now it's it's it's something that to monitor so much.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't play a guy for a

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Speaker 4: To worry about.

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Speaker 3: Okay, in a month from now, is he gonna be

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Speaker 3: Those are the conversations that you have to have. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's why it makes it so fascinating when

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they have behavior issues that I use.

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Speaker 3: All those guys seem like great young men. But boy,

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Speaker 3: when you're able to turn around quickly, you're a genius,

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Speaker 3: you're a guy, you're all these things. When you're not

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you something, Kevin, because you're more

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Speaker 2: familiar with how the whole thing works there, and I

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Speaker 2: think I am too. But you take a look at Butler,

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Speaker 2: who's looking for a brand new head coach now, and

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Speaker 2: you look at the Big East, which is as competitive

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Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen, right, they got Saint John's and Yukon,

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Speaker 2: who Saint John's is coached by Rick Patino. Now I

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Speaker 2: think we take them legitimately seriously. Oh, between the coach

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Speaker 2: and the players and what they've done. Yukon, obviously, with

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Speaker 2: Danny Hurley, has been tremendous. What kind of coach, realistically

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Speaker 2: do you get at Butler that is going to be

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Speaker 2: able to at some point, at least every few years

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Speaker 2: compete with the Yukons and the Saint John's of the

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's a hard question because Butler and

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Speaker 5: Saint John's are Butler and Saint John's or Butler and Yukon.

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Speaker 5: They're to shop in different stores.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's that's my question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're looking at head coaches, wouldn't it be

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Speaker 2: a guy like a Chris Holtman who had.

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Speaker 1: Some success here the last time he was here?

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Speaker 5: Well, again, is it just in the family or I

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Speaker 5: don't know, would have been healthy for Butler to have

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Speaker 5: if we're serious about that, not to the level of

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Speaker 5: And is that possible? And would that person be looked

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Speaker 3: I don't think that there's a realistic path for Anthony

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Speaker 5: Ye first off, analyzing captions of younger people. You might

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Speaker 3: We haven't reached the stage of Anthony Richardson changed his

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Speaker 5: Parenting teenagers, parenting early early college days. As far as Richardson, yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, we will keep an eye on the Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 4: He also posted basketball highlights.

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Speaker 7: I was just gonna say something about that, James right

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and honestly, Caleb my first reaction. Maybe I'm overthinking.

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Speaker 3: This is just why right, Like you want to be

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Speaker 3: probably not the best look. I'm sure guys are playing

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Speaker 1: But we've seen worse things on guys social media.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of quarterbacks, does Dania Orlowski hate for Nanda Mendoza?

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Speaker 5: So c I didn't consume all the content, so feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And it might be the only two people that responded.

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Speaker 5: But texting girls in college, hey shoot a shoot kb am,

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Speaker 1: But you got you got, you got the ultimate prize.

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Speaker 5: You're ultimate prize. Gratification right away.

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Speaker 4: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can say you have TYD Simpson number one,

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Speaker 5: You think he's lying about the NFL people and how

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Speaker 2: I can think it's I think it's good for him

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Speaker 1: That's what I think.

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Speaker 5: Like, I don't want to put him in Stephen A.

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Speaker 5: When I saw it and when I you know whatever,

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Speaker 3: the main character on social media because that means he

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Speaker 3: says something very stupid and everyone's piling on to you.

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Speaker 4: But that I mean you you earned it, so stand

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Speaker 4: on it.

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Speaker 3: Don't do the whole oh everyone's being mean to me

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Speaker 3: thing after you say something really dumb.

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Speaker 7: That's not And I will just say, that's not the

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Speaker 7: first time he's pulled that.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's a pattern. Crocodile's here is babe, I ain't

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Speaker 4: falling for.

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Speaker 1: Alright, let's get to the checkdown. We'll start with the NBA.

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Speaker 2: The Indiana Pacers, fresh off snap in that losing streak,

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Speaker 2: James back at home the night to take on the

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Speaker 2: Lakers over at the Fieldhouse seven o'clock tip, six thirty

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Speaker 2: year time in ninety three five and one oh seven

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Speaker 2: to five. The fan Andrew Nemhart, Aaron Nee Smith, Pascal

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Speaker 2: siakam Obi topping.

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Speaker 1: What do they have in common for tonight's game, James Boyd.

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Speaker 2: They're all probable, right, They're all probable to play in

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Speaker 2: that game tonight. The Lakers uh injury report questionable for

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Speaker 2: Adu thierro Ruyachimura and Marcus Smart they are, Yeah, Marcus

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Speaker 2: Smart is doubtful, the other two questionable.

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Speaker 3: Hey, as long as Lebron James and Luka Doncis are playing,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of probably Lakers transplants will be

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Speaker 3: a game of shorthouse, but a chance to another win

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Speaker 3: push it to two, spoil the party for old man James.

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Speaker 5: So luc and Lebron are good. They didn't golf too

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Speaker 5: much an endy yesterday yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Is this the last time we ever seen Lebron James

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Speaker 1: at the field House?

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Speaker 5: Certainly a question, you know, I guess maybe more from

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Speaker 5: a plane standpoint, But you know, as James pointed out yesterday,

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Speaker 5: Lebron strikes me as an individual that probably will want

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Speaker 5: to announce said retirement and maybe go on a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a tour here.

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Speaker 3: So exactly the gift that the Pacers give him next

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Speaker 3: year during his final run will be great, and by

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Speaker 3: the gift, I mean nothing.

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Speaker 4: Could you imagine.

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Speaker 2: Perdue getting ready for the Sweet sixteen that comes your

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Speaker 2: way tomorrow against Texas. They'll be in San Jose, and

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Speaker 2: Matt Painter has been talking about his team and what

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Speaker 2: they've been doing lately, in a lot of discussion around

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Speaker 2: Fletcher Lawyer. And you know, someone was talking to A

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Speaker 2: J and B about this last night. It was Tom Crean.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to that conversation and they were saying

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Speaker 2: that Fletcher Lawyer is not the best defender one on one,

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Speaker 2: but he plays so well within the team game and

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Speaker 2: gets people to where they need to be that what

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Speaker 2: he does on defense has lifted purdues overall ability to

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Speaker 2: defend the basket, which I thought was a very fascinating take.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good personal and again we're not asking

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Speaker 3: you to be you know, big ten all defense, but

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Speaker 3: have some pride in it, you know, communicate and it's

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Speaker 3: worked out well for them. I think their defense has

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Speaker 3: been a lot different than what we've seen earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So that comes your way sevent to ten

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Speaker 2: Thursday from San Jose. It'll be Texas and Purdue in

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Speaker 2: the sweet sixteen Marion Knights. They claimed their first NAIA

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Speaker 2: women's basketball championship since twenty seventeen. They beat Dort seventy

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Speaker 2: three sixty one. Anybody want to take a shot Caleb

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Speaker 2: at the nickname for Dort.

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Speaker 4: I have no clue.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing, James.

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Speaker 4: The Dort Dalmatians close.

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Speaker 5: They're losers last night, That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: Got a big, big hat with an elg on the

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Speaker 2: froze elbow from rock.

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Speaker 4: Back in the day.

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Speaker 2: They defeated the Dort Defenders seventy three sixty one. Madison

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Speaker 2: Bailey led the Knights with twenty three points. Macy Severs

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Speaker 2: and Gracie Schuenovn each had fifteen points. For the Defenders,

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Speaker 2: they were thirty four and three overall, but Marion finished

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Speaker 2: one better at thirty five.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Kenneth Kirby. I hope I'm saying that

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Speaker 5: first name right. Her brother chimed in yesterday mentioning that

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Speaker 5: he was listening out there the tri West product. She

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Speaker 5: was very good last night from Marion. You mentioned Madison Bailey.

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Speaker 5: She played every minute. They got twenty three or twenty

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Speaker 5: four points there, so down at half, but they're partying

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Speaker 5: on cold Spring Row. They're partying at Coffin Golf Course today.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Marion, Congratulations to the Knights. There no

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Speaker 5: new news for the Indianapolis Colts. Do we expect anything

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Speaker 5: before the owners and then the league gets together next

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Speaker 5: week in Florida?

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Speaker 3: Not necessarily from my perspective, but I'm very excited to

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Speaker 3: talk to Carl Rose Gordon and Chris Ballard and Shan

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Speaker 3: Stock can just kind of figure out how do you

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Speaker 3: all view what has been, in my opinion, an underwhelming

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Speaker 3: free agency period. Now, the offseason isn't over, but there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of questions to be answered, and I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of holes to be filled within the roster.

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Speaker 2: All right, as far as anything else is going on

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Speaker 2: with football is concerned, Indiana hits the field again tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Kevin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Spring football for them underway. Kurt Signetti, I'll meet

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Speaker 5: the media coming up tomorrow. They're back from spring break.

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Speaker 5: I believe they'll have their spring game and it's a

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Speaker 5: very late spring game typically, Kurt Signetti April twenty third.

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Speaker 5: I want to say I did see CBS Sports Matt

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Speaker 5: and Orlander College Basketball Rider just reported this is probably

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Speaker 5: the hundredth time that this report has come out in

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Speaker 5: the last decade of Brad Stevens has removed himself from

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Speaker 5: any North Carolina consideration. How many times do you think

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Speaker 5: Brad Stevens has received such a text in his life

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Speaker 5: about pursuing a college basketball head coaching gig?

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Speaker 4: Probably at least five times since he's left.

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Speaker 5: Five five hundred has done it five times?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was kind of like the different programs. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you're going like the amount of times and year,

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Speaker 3: probably what twenty and it was that he's left.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just like it's abated. He should have like

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Speaker 5: hot keywords of like would Google have consideration? Would you

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Speaker 5: do you want to talk? And it just should be

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Speaker 5: automatic Nos.

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Speaker 4: Like the out of office email you get.

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Speaker 2: Right if you go, if you don't recognize the number,

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Speaker 2: you just get a standard message.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the way to go.

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Speaker 2: You know you're in trouble when you're trying to call

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Speaker 2: someone you really want to talk to and go straight

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Speaker 2: to voicemail.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to my mom. That happens to her often.

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Speaker 1: You send your mom to voicemail all the time.

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Speaker 4: No, no, she sends me to voicemail.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's even better.

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Speaker 4: Mamano, answer the phone.

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Speaker 3: I told her, if I have ad got on the

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Speaker 3: game show and they say who's your emergency contact, you

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Speaker 3: are not the answer.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite lines of sports Illustrated Somebody might

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Speaker 2: have been Rick Riley did a long form piece on

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Speaker 2: Fred Couples when he was just running the table back

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Speaker 2: in the late nineties in golf, and they talked about

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Speaker 2: him being so shy that he doesn't answer the phone

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Speaker 2: at home, and they asked him why.

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Speaker 1: He said someone might be on the other end. That's

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Speaker 1: a good one, all right.

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Speaker 2: Coming up at a moment, we'll talk Pacers basketball and

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Speaker 2: more with Tony East as we continue the Fan Morning

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Speaker 2: Show ninety three five.

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Speaker 1: One oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: We have not talked a ton of NBA basketball so

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Speaker 2: far this morning on this Wednesday at ninety three five

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Speaker 2: one oh seven to five the Fan. Well, we'll be

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Speaker 2: talking about the Pacers who return home to the Fieldhouse

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Speaker 2: a little bit later on tonight. I was noticing last night,

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Speaker 2: in this never ending season of just outstanding offensive performances,

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Speaker 2: we've seen, uh, we've seen eighty plus points, we've seen

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Speaker 2: sixty plus points, we've seen crazy stat lines across the board.

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Speaker 1: Nuggets won in Phoenix last night.

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Speaker 2: Yoki normal now twenty three, seventeen and seventeen from a center.

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Speaker 1: It's just nuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is one of the greatest basketball players to

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Speaker 3: ever live, and he's still in his prime.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk more NBA and Pacers in particular.

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Speaker 2: We bring in our next guest, Tony East on the

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Speaker 2: Paylesslikers Hotline. Tony, of course one of the premiere Pacers

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Speaker 2: writers at several different places, and we appreciate his time

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Speaker 2: here today.

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Speaker 1: Tony, good morning. What is it with the NBA that we're.

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Speaker 2: Just seeing night after night after night, just unbelievable stat

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Speaker 2: lines and offensive outputs?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, gosh, y ok, it's the last night was crazy

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Speaker 6: game winner two almost blew it, leaving Devin Booker wide

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Speaker 6: open right after. But the scoreboard says that what look,

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Speaker 6: the March NBA is like this every year, like there

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Speaker 6: are so many teams that aren't playing for anything, or

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Speaker 6: they're seedings locked up, or somebody's heard or something that

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of non competitive games or not good

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Speaker 6: defensive teams. And look what you get when that happens.

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Speaker 6: A lot of really high scoring games and a lot

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Speaker 6: of blowouts. Thankfully Nugget Suns was not one of the blowouts.

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Speaker 6: But there's a lot of a lot less watchable basketball

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Speaker 6: this time of year.

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Speaker 5: In the NBA Circle City Spin, where you can find

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Speaker 5: Tony East's work and we always appreciate his insight when

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Speaker 5: he hops on these airways.

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Speaker 1: Is it ten games left, Tony?

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Speaker 6: Is that right on the dot?

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Speaker 5: Yes, tend to go and fans can cheer for what

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Speaker 5: three wins? If you go north of three, then you

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Speaker 5: start to sweat lottery odds?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Three would give right now? There are three wins

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Speaker 6: behind the Kings, who are the fourth worst record, and

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Speaker 6: you know that's the lottery ending is four, but the

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Speaker 6: top three are the teams to end with fifty two

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Speaker 6: percent chance at top four pick, and then the fourth

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Speaker 6: pick it goes to forty eight.

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Speaker 5: So if the.

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Speaker 6: Pacers want to maximize their odds of keeping the pick,

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Speaker 6: fewer than three wins guarantees it. Three wins. They did

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Speaker 6: the Kings to win once, and there is a Kings

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Speaker 6: Nets game next Sunday or this coming Sunday, so three

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Speaker 6: is probably safe, but two or less a guarantee.

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Speaker 5: Good Pacers Lakers tonight looks like really, all the front

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Speaker 5: line players for both teams that are available should be

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Speaker 5: played in this game. Lebron and Luca included in that. Okay,

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Speaker 5: let's shift gears a little bit to the draft. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think the NBA draft has taught us over the

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Speaker 5: years trying to force a position is a bit risky,

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Speaker 5: a bit greedy. It is simply you need to take

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Speaker 5: best player available. What if that best player available is

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Speaker 5: Darius A Cuff?

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine the Pacers take a tiny guard, right,

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Speaker 6: I mean, has he been that pantalizing in the tournament

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Speaker 6: that people view him over Darren Peterson and Cam Boozer

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Speaker 6: and and aj Now is that a thing?

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Speaker 1: I think?

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Speaker 5: I think that that's part of it. But I also

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Speaker 5: think my hand has raised here, which is weird to say.

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Speaker 5: We probably didn't do a good enough job paying attention

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Speaker 5: to him in the SEC regular season, Like I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of this was happening. I think, and again

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Speaker 5: my hand is raised. We just kind of forced ourselves

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Speaker 5: into the oh, it's a four person draft thing. Do

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Speaker 5: you disagree on the first part, like foreseen positional whatever

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Speaker 5: need over best player available?

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Speaker 6: I guess no, no, no, I am a best player

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Speaker 6: available guy. Now what it mostly reason. I mean we

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Speaker 6: were all around for them picking go go when they

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00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 6: had Turner and Tibonas and then they would play Kylo

661
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 6: Quinn and Jakar Sampson over him and he never played

662
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 6: and got cut. You know, like within you if you

663
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 6: are loaded at a position, I suppose it's a little different,

664
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Speaker 6: but especially with a top four pick, which is what

665
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 6: they're you know, if they have a pick, they're gonna have. Yeah,

666
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 6: you pick the best guy. And you know, I think TJ.

667
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: McConnell was their only player who was on the Pacers

668
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: five years ago that is still on the team now.

669
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 6: Maybe you know that's it, and you know, your team

670
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: just changes so much. And I get that that's different

671
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 6: when you're a winner and you're trying to retain your talent.

672
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 6: But with the way the NBA is with roster turnover,

673
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 6: like you just never know if you're picking for fit now,

674
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 6: your team might look different at the time. So yes,

675
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 6: I think you pick the best guy and try to

676
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 6: figure it out. But I do understand the Pacers in

677
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 6: there current specific situation caring a little bit more about

678
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 6: fit to the average team picking in the top four

679
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 6: ward because they're a contender in theory right now next season,

680
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 6: right like, they need contributors right this second. So if

681
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 6: they believe one of the four is going to be

682
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 6: very good and can help them the most right now,

683
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 6: perhaps that is a little bit of a boost, but

684
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 6: that's not a huge deal and I do not think

685
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: that's a cup for them, especially at the time where

686
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 6: small guards are not very popular in the NBA.

687
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Speaker 4: Let's say again we're talking to Tony East.

688
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: You can listen to him on Locked on Pacers as well,

689
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: subscribed to Circle City Spin, where you get Pacers and

690
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: Fever coverage in the same outlet. Tony when I look

691
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: at this Pacers season, and obviously he's been rough. It's

692
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: been without Tyre's Halliburton, but he's also had some weird

693
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: things happen off the court with the shingles, and we

694
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: haven't had an update since I think last time you

695
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: might have been on how's he doing.

696
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he has been back with the team, but not

697
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 6: on the bench this time. We asked for Carlisle about

698
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 6: that in Milwaukee. I believe I can remember one of

699
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 6: their recent road games. It's a longer thing coming back

700
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 6: from shingles, right, and it did disrupt his rehab to

701
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 6: some extent, like you can't be back on the floor

702
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 6: right away, so his schedule's got a little changed by that.

703
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 6: But I would assume if he's back with the team

704
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 6: that yes, he is back on the floor and able

705
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 6: to do at least some things. But who knows the

706
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 6: specific reason he's not on the bench, whether it's some

707
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 6: level of contagion, if it can still spread, or if

708
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 6: there's a rash involved or anything like that. But we

709
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 6: have not seen him since. But he is, according to Reck,

710
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 6: back with the team now, so I'd presume his rehab

711
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 6: schedules back is planned Tony.

712
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: We know every injury, even if it sounds the same,

713
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: as a little bit unique and different to the individual

714
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: who suffered it. But do you take anything from the

715
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Speaker 2: return that the fairly early return by Jason Tatum and

716
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: way he's been playing basketball and what the Celtics have

717
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: been doing since he rejoined the team, is that optimistic

718
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: for Tyrese Haliburton, who will get a lot more time

719
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: to rest and recover and heal than Tatum did.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's so many data points with Achilles recoveries, and

721
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 6: Tatum's is a fun another one now that he came

722
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 6: back and I think like ten months, like you're saying.

723
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 6: And what was unique about him is he got hurt

724
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 6: in New York City, like they're playing the Knicks the

725
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 6: night it happened, So he was able to have his

726
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 6: surgery really fast. And there's been a lot of really

727
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 6: good stories written out of Austin about how the early

728
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 6: him getting the surgery so early was very helpful for

729
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 6: his rehab timeline, perhaps being faster than some previous players

730
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 6: who come back from the same injury and lo and behold,

731
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 6: he's back and he you know, he's trying to dunk

732
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 6: in his first half back on the floor and things

733
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 6: like that. You know, it has been I think a

734
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 6: little impressive that he's tried to keep his lifts to

735
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Speaker 6: the level he has and play that way.

736
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Speaker 5: And the Celtics look.

737
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 6: Pretty good this season. But you know, like Kevin Durant

738
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 6: has been the guy that everybody points to as the

739
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 6: best post Achilles return ever and his skill set specifically

740
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 6: doesn't require as much like push and lift and things

741
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 6: like that. But what made his return unique is he

742
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 6: took a full season off and then there was a

743
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 6: long offseason because the next season until he returned and

744
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 6: start till December. But you know that long gap might

745
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 6: have been helpful for him, right, So you wonder with

746
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 6: Haliburn what the all those kind of contrasting things are

747
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: in terms of how it will help. And his game

748
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 6: does require a lot of speed and push and lifted.

749
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Speaker 1: Things like that.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm not saying he's going to come back

751
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 6: and be the same player like Trant was, but you know,

752
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 6: you wonder how that gap could help. But Tatum is

753
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: playing well because Jante Murray took over a year. He

754
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 6: looks awesome right now. The Pelicans look really good. Tatum

755
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 6: actually has been struggling with his jumper a little bit.

756
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 6: If his athleticism didn't look the same, I think there'd

757
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 6: be more of a concern and talk about that. And

758
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: the Celtics are playing really well, so I think that.

759
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 6: Of course, in recent years, the recovery from the injury

760
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 6: has gotten better to the point that you know, it

761
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 6: used to be much more damaging for players, which would

762
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 6: be concerning for the Pacers. But I think he's still

763
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: going to be at least very good next season, and

764
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Speaker 6: a lot of these guys returning the season have shown that.

765
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Speaker 5: Tony East with the serial Paylost like a sideline against

766
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: Circle City Spin where you can find Tony's work. One

767
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 5: from me, it looks like Benedict Matherin is going to

768
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 5: return from his toe injury tonight. The Pacers host mister

769
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Speaker 5: Matherin and the Clippers coming up on Friday. It'll be

770
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Speaker 5: his first game back inside a Gamebridge Field House. How

771
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Speaker 5: would you compare the anticipated response from the crowd to

772
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 5: Benedict Matherin to Miles Turner from earlier this season.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's completely off the injury report for them tonight,

774
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 6: I believe, which is a good sign for him playing

775
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 6: on Friday. Look, it's always different when the player chooses

776
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 6: to leave versus the team chooses for them to leave

777
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 6: in this instance, but that's going to help Ben Matheren

778
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: quite a bit. I presume he'll get good cheers for

779
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: being the sixth man of their best season in franchise history.

780
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 6: And you know, was at one point viewed as like

781
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 6: a Wow, what could this guy be the statue Kevin

782
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 6: Bowen right on actually built by Yeah. I mean he

783
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 6: was viewed as that level of guy after his I

784
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 6: mean multiple times throughout his time with the Pacers, but

785
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 6: especially after his rookieyear when he was drawn a gazillion

786
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 6: valves a game. So, you know, a popular fan favorite,

787
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 6: and he's playing very well for the Clippers. That tempo

788
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 6: suits him better.

789
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I think that whole team.

790
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 6: Environment suits him very well. So I think he's gonna

791
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 6: try to score a million points and I think he'll

792
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 6: be well received for it.

793
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 5: To chin him and them hart at some point.

794
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 6: You know, it wasn't like that in La.

795
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Speaker 1: I know it was kind of tame in La.

796
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: Benedick was honestly just cooking.

797
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, mean, he was gonna say, he just let his

798
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 6: game speak and scored a bunch.

799
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Speaker 4: He played very well.

800
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Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't I don't think there'll be anything

801
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 6: like that necessarily, but it is different when it's in

802
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 6: it's in Andy. It's kind of a bummer that Zubos

803
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 6: can't play against the Clippers this season too, for that

804
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: game to really have some spice.

805
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Speaker 3: Do you think Benick is gonna accidentally try to walk

806
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: to the wrong locker room. It's like a muscle memory

807
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Speaker 3: gun throw them off.

808
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Speaker 1: U man.

809
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 6: I've only heard of one or two players have that

810
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 6: happen to them, but it is always confusing when all

811
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 6: of a sudden you're like, wait, where am I going?

812
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: What am I doing?

813
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 6: Had him and Isaiah will have to keep each other,

814
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 6: you know, in line, figure out where to go in

815
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 6: the building.

816
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 5: And Isaiah Jackson's been getting a little bit more clock.

817
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 5: He actually played a decent amount, I guess the first

818
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 5: game jury, but he's been getting a little bit more

819
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: clock right for him.

820
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's playing kind of well. Yannick codin Ederhauser

821
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 6: got her in that game against the Pacers. He's been

822
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: their backup center ever since. And it actually looks pretty good.

823
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 6: Another Achilles data point that it took him a little

824
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 6: bit at the beginning of the season, but his athleticism

825
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 6: is mostly back to pre Achilles levels. Albeit he's only

826
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 6: twenty three or twenty four years old. But yeah, he

827
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 6: looks pretty good for them right now.

828
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Speaker 2: Tony East, you can read his stuff at Circle City Spin,

829
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: you can read it at Forbes Sports, and you can

830
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: also hear him on Lockdown Pacers. You can hear him

831
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: with us every week or so right here at ninety

832
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: two five one or seven five.

833
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Thanks Tony, always appreciate it.

834
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 6: Yep, thanks guys.

835
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Speaker 2: There you go. I have a question for everyone now

836
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: and just Kansas Kentucky, North Carolina. What do they all

837
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: have in common?

838
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Right now? You see Hans Kentucky and North Carolina.

839
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: Coaches on hot seats are out the door.

840
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: They're all watching the Sweet Sixteen from home at this

841
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: point in time. And that doesn't sound like a big

842
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: deal in and of itself, But for the fourth year

843
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: in a row, it is pointed out by one of

844
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: the premier reporters on college basketball, Dan Wetzel, that for

845
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: the fourth consecutive year, none of those teams will reach

846
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: the Final Four. It's the third time in six years

847
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: the Sweet Sixteen takes place without any of them. And

848
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: keep in mind, for perspective, from nineteen eighty five to

849
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, the collective failure to reach the second weekend

850
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: of the tournament for those teams only one time in

851
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. And so the question is, in

852
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: this day and age of nil oh.

853
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen, but do we have it's it official?

854
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: Some reports here, and I guess I'll single out somebody

855
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: in the ol backyard of Cam Gillespie from the Indianapolis

856
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: Star reporting Ronald Nored, former of course player NBA assistant

857
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 5: to be the next head coach of the Butler Bulldog.

858
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Are you worried at all that he's never had any

859
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: real head coaching experience?

860
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: Well, Brownsburg High School? Right, wasn't he a head coach there?

861
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, right, Yeah, I had to deal with

862
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 5: some parents there in Hendricks County. No, in all seriousness, yeah,

863
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: obviously that's probably the biggest question, you know, Nora Ed's

864
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 5: coaching whatever pathway. I mean, I think at one point

865
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: there people thought he was going to be an NBA

866
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: head coach. Frankly, I mean it was kind of going

867
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: on that path.

868
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 6: You know.

869
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: He obviously was an assistant with Boston if I'm not mistaken.

870
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 5: Did he coach their G League team? I think he

871
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: was either or maybe like the main rent clause or something, right,

872
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 5: And then of course with was with Rick Carlisle staff

873
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 5: here in Indiana a couple of years ago, currently with

874
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: the Atlanta Hawks. And you know, I remember a Butler

875
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 5: game earlier this year when Atlanta was in town, him

876
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: sitting courtside with Grant line Decker. It's kind of funny

877
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 5: now here we are a couple months later and he's

878
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 5: the head coach. So I think from the onset, this

879
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: is the name. I thought Butler would go. You have questions,

880
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: Jeff obviously about head coaching experience, but where you don't

881
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: have questions, I think is full on energy to want

882
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 5: to revive the program. For anyone that heard Ronald Norid talk,

883
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: he is going to be able to create energy and

884
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: leadership in an instant and I think that that is needed. Frankly,

885
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: if you need to inject some life into your program

886
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 5: of like, hey, can I get people to rally behind me?

887
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: I do think nor D fits more of that personality

888
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 5: here and again, Grant Lindecker the AD, a teammate Ronald

889
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 5: Norrid's on the national runner up teams. Gordon Hayward the

890
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 5: GM obviously a fellow starter with Ronald Norredd. And if

891
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 5: you ever watch Ronald Norrid play at Butler, you know

892
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 5: full well that man was Butler's leader of those teams.

893
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: And again, I only my only concern is coaching at

894
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: this level head being a head coach. Clearly, they know

895
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: him well, they know what he's capable of. He knows

896
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: basketball clearly. I mean he's been working in the NBA

897
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: and in college basketball as assistant for a while now.

898
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: And it's also going to be about comfort with everybody

899
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: else who's making hirings over there at Butler and who

900
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: they're comfortable with him what the plan is.

901
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: But you're right about one thing.

902
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: He will certainly bring NonStop energy, Kevin, There's no question

903
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: about that.

904
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: I mean, he's thirty six, so he probably can relate

905
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: to more of this nil world than the old guard

906
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: when it comes to coaches, not saying they can't either,

907
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: but there is a certain level of youthfulness there of

908
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: wonder I would imagine, and also knowing Ronald a little

909
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: bit from covering him when he's with the Pacers, a

910
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: dude that will certainly, I think, be able to get

911
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: some guys to buy in. And I wonder if it

912
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: does help to just say, hey, I wore the uniform

913
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: and here's what we did, and is that part of

914
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: the pitching, you know, plan when it comes to recruiting

915
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: guys and talking about a two time what was it,

916
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: a Horizon League Defensive Player.

917
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: Of the Year back then.

918
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited for him. He's a good dude,

919
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: and yeah, we'll see how it works out. A lot

920
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: of moving parts and you got to build a staff

921
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: after that. But I think it's it's one that makes sense.

922
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, from an optimistic point of view, Jeff

923
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: to go back to Okay, no head coaching experience, no

924
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: college experience, right, I think it was just Brownsberg and

925
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: then straight.

926
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: He was an assistant at Northern Kentucky.

927
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: Okay, so he was at for a year some reason,

928
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 5: the Norse. Yeah, and they're relatively new to d one there.

929
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: But he wasn't head coach for the Long Island Nets, right.

930
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: But you know, again, college experience virtually none, I would argue,

931
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: though nowadays the college game is so freaking different than

932
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: it was five seven years ago. You might make the

933
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 5: case it's more NBA like it's more yeah, hey, how

934
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 5: are we building the roster on an annual basis? How are

935
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 5: we dealing with egos from a money standpoint? So that

936
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: aspect I think is different there. But yeah, this is

937
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 5: definitely quite the move from from Butler. Again, I've had

938
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: a feeling nor it was probably the favorite when it was,

939
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 5: you know when when this job opened up. I guess whenever.

940
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: It was two weeks ago at this point here, and

941
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: you know, Portal does an open up till the Tuesday

942
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: after the title game. So if you want to play

943
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 5: this out Ronald Nora. It's got what a week and

944
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: a half to assemble staff, kind of get ducks in

945
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: a row. And then obviously Butler's gonna have to attack

946
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 5: the portal in a pretty significant manner. And of course

947
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: what finances he has walking into that will be a

948
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: major question.

949
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: And when you talk about portal too, the thing that

950
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: he will probably have going for him in the sales

951
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: pitch will be, hey, look, I'm proof that anything's possible

952
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: at Butler. Last time I played here, we went to

953
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: final fours, So it can be done here. He's a young,

954
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: energetic Guiye, there's probably you know, some way to relate

955
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: to recruits in that way. Sure you also say, hey, look,

956
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: I also know what it takes to get to the NBA.

957
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: You want to come here and work on a shot

958
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: again in.

959
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: The NBA, That's a fact.

960
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: I've been in the league for eight years now. Yeah,

961
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: I know exactly what they're looking for at the next level.

962
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: So A, I'm young and energetic. B I'm proof that

963
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: you can do anything at Butler because the last time

964
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: I was here, we went to a championship, came and

965
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: final fours. That's what we did, and I know what

966
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: it takes to get you to the next level. Those

967
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: are all the things working in his face.

968
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good point. I hadn't thought about

969
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: the NBA factor from that perspective, but yeah, if you

970
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: can say I have been in the same room as

971
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: the best in the world, you can trust me. I

972
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 3: think that goes a little bit further along than someone

973
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: who just hasn't had that experience.

974
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: So I would also expect a guy Kevin that will

975
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: bring an expectation that you're going to play defense here.

976
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: Right, last time I checked, he was a two time

977
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: defensive player of the Year in his conference.

978
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly it was not out there for forty some

979
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: minutes a game for his offensive prowess by any means there,

980
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was defense, defense, defense, And you know,

981
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 5: he definitely hit some big shots in both of those

982
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 5: runs there. But yeah, I just made so many plays

983
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: that a coach would be obsessed with, which is no

984
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 5: shock of why he then got into coaching after that.

985
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: I remember he was the head coach of the Summer

986
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: League team a few years ago when they traded for

987
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: like Aaron Nesmith, and it was a big deal to

988
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: the time I was out in Las Vegas, and I

989
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: was talking to him like, so as eron East was

990
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: going to play, and so look how much their last

991
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: have changed in the last few years.

992
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember we had him on the show before

993
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 5: the Summer League, and you know, he had to have

994
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 5: been I'm trying to think how old he was he

995
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 5: took that Brownsburg head coaching job. I mean, I bet

996
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: he was. He had to be twenty five years old

997
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 5: at the oldest when he took that job, which, again

998
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 5: full circle from Gordon.

999
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 4: Hager, that's thirteen years ago and he's thirty six right now.

1000
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: I think that was a job right out of college.

1001
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 5: There you go, twenty three, so he was even younger

1002
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 5: from that aspect. I think the biggest question is, obviously

1003
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 5: we've talked a lot about Ronald nored and I don't

1004
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 5: want to like discredit what a head coach of a

1005
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: program means right now, but you know, I think if

1006
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: we asked Dad Mada his true feelings about the program,

1007
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: he'd say, all right, where are we at financially? Yeah,

1008
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 5: you know, is there only so much you can do?

1009
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 5: I brought it up earlier in the show. We debated

1010
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: this a little bit in the seven o'clock hour. There

1011
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 5: was some smoke yesterday kind on social media about Michael

1012
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: Shrewsbury potentially being the next guy a Butler, and Tom Noy,

1013
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: the South Bend Tribune rider who covers Notre Dame, came

1014
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: out last I said, Michael Shrewsbury is going to be back,

1015
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 5: and he pointed out an anecdote about Notre Dame's current

1016
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 5: situation with their roster. Notre Dame is a rotational player

1017
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: that made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars last year

1018
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: to play for Notre Dame, and he is being offered

1019
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: one million dollars by another school this coming season. So

1020
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: like you could have whatever Vince Lombardi on the sidelines,

1021
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: and if you're getting offered ten times more and again,

1022
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: maybe let's call it five times more. You know, if

1023
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 5: you're Butler's sixth man and you have a quality first

1024
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 5: year and then all of a sudden, Saint John's comes calling,

1025
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 5: Yukon comes calling, and they say, here you go. How

1026
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 5: are you competing? Like that? To me is a bigger

1027
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 5: question right now, more than Ronald Nora had, more than

1028
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 5: John Gross, more than Michael Shrewsbury. It is, Duke, can

1029
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: you sustain? Can you build? A roster that you know,

1030
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: we saw this year with Butler, as soon as like

1031
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 5: one injury occurred, started to crack and depth, I think

1032
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 5: is a huge deal for teams in building kind of

1033
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: an nil roster. Michael Jai is a great player, Finley

1034
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 5: Bench Jackson a very good player, but you know, they

1035
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 5: can only do so much. And when Jalen Jackson went down,

1036
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: Butler went from a tournament team too, you know, on

1037
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: a huge losing streak, and they had some other injuries too.

1038
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: But you know, to me, I think.

1039
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 5: That's probably the bigger question athletic department and maybe even

1040
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: university wise.

1041
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: That's what's happening in the very latest Butler has a

1042
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 2: brand new head coach, Ronald Norrid.

1043
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about that.

1044
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: And also asked the question I was getting ready to

1045
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: ask you guys about blue Blood since we're talking about

1046
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: college basketball coaches.

1047
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: We'll wrap it up next ninety three five one on seven.

1048
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: Caleb the Just because my wife has this movie on

1049
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: it the house all the time.

1050
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: This reminds me of pitch Perfect.

1051
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's one of the songs that they they

1052
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: messed with over there.

1053
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: There you go, big pitch Perfect fan.

1054
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have that on the bingo card. The proposal

1055
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: pitch as tough as you think.

1056
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: The proposal with with Sandra Bullock and PITTSBURGECT they're on.

1057
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: They seemingly are on in my living room all the time. Yeah.

1058
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: If not that, then it's the Friends reruns that go forever.

1059
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 7: Well, that's good that Friends reruns in the background are always.

1060
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all fine, but it's just, you know, I

1061
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: go downstairs and watch sports and.

1062
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 3: See I think I like all those shows better now

1063
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: because I can understand them because when I saw Friends,

1064
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: my grandma had like regular TV, so Friends would come

1065
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: on King of Queens and I'm like, I don't understand Steak,

1066
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, all these sorts are great.

1067
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: So little perspective always makes it a little better.

1068
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in. Kevin, we had some breaking

1069
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: news just a moment ago. It looks like Butler has

1070
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: a brand new head basketball coach.

1071
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: Indeed, the point guard from the national runner up teams,

1072
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: Ronald Nored. The new head coach at the age of

1073
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 5: thirty six for the Butler Bulldogs, will be introduced Friday

1074
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 5: at noon. Grant Line Decker right now looks like it

1075
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 5: with Ronald nored Up. I assume it's Detroit the Hawks

1076
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 5: playing Pistons tonight. It looks like Ronald Norrid telling the

1077
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 5: Hawks team that he is off to his alma mater there.

1078
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: So he told him he's sick of the playing every

1079
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: year that nine ten spot.

1080
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 4: You can you can geart.

1081
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: No matter what happens, the Bulls and the Hawks are

1082
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: always in like the nine ten playing game.

1083
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: The last straw is the Trey Young trade.

1084
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: He said, I'm out of it.

1085
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm out here.

1086
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: We were talking about coaches and the Bulls being coached,

1087
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: of course by Billy Donovan, and he's being rumored now

1088
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: as a possible replacement for Hubert Davis at North Carolina.

1089
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: While we're talking basketball coaches, and I heard somebody say

1090
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: this morning on the way in, like he's coaching the Bulls.

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00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing with your life? Billy Donovan,

1092
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: what are you doing with your life?

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00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: Seriously, if there was ever an exit route, if I'm

1094
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: in his shoes, I'm going North Carolina.

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00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the Grant Line Decker statement here and again,

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00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: I get a lot of this is probably pr driven,

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00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: but you know he says here in a rapt involving

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00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: college basketball landscape our priority. He was identifying the absolute

1100
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 5: best leader Spear had the future of Butler basketball. Ronald

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00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: Norrid is that leader. You know, the first word I

1102
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 5: think of with or at his leader, leader and energy.

1103
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 5: I mean, if you will, I mean we all I

1104
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: don't know if we all did, but I certainly watch

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00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 5: every minute of that run that Butler had, and that's

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00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 5: what he defined. This is not a guy that had

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00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: some you know, Indiana born jump shot that he was

1108
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: the starting point guard there, and you know the recruitment.

1109
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 5: I think Matthew Graves even told his story. It's not

1110
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 5: necessarily you know, you almost kind of have to be away.

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00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 5: I really need to watch this kid in person. I

1112
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 5: don't think he's necessarily going to light up a box score.

1113
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: But yet you watch him play, he makes, you know,

1114
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 5: winning winning plays. Grant goes on to say, Butler a

1115
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: d He's a gifted relationship builder, commands respect through his

1116
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 5: character and his craft. Ale he understands has sold this university.

1117
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: We didn't hire him for his history here. We hired

1118
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: him for his vision of what we can become and

1119
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 5: how we will get there. His experience in the NBA

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Speaker 5: provides us with a distinct competitive advantage as we navigate

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Speaker 5: this new era of college basketball.

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00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Truth to that. You know, it's not necessarily you have

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00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: to go out and find the college basketball background. You know,

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00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 5: it's more and more semi pro, if not full on pro.

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Speaker 5: So those advantages or prerequisites or making a pros and

1127
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 5: consolest not necessarily needed here. So really really looking forward

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Speaker 5: to He'll definitely win the press conference. I'll tell you

1129
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 5: that he'll bring some high energy soon on Friday. Inside

1130
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 5: of Hankle, Well, he's the coach.

1131
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Now, I'm all in, let's let's say how it all goes.

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00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just from a personal standpoint, he's a good dude. Yeah,

1133
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying Thatad wasn't a good dude. But

1134
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: if you're gonna switch dudes, you want that guy to succeed.

1135
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Speaker 3: And he has a great relictship here in the city

1136
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: and really at all levels, I mean from Brownsburg to

1137
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: the Pacers to now Butler, and.

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00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 5: They certainly Butler, whatever Booster or you know, you're someone

1139
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 5: that's got some money and all of a sudden, you

1140
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 5: sit down in a room with Ronald nored and he's

1141
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: trying to sell his vision, his program on you. I

1142
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: get words can only go so far, but that's all

1143
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 5: he has until September. I do think you would walk

1144
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: out of that room being like, Okay, I can see

1145
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: why Butler would want that guy. Want a guy who's

1146
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: thirty six years old with no head coaching experience.

1147
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as not maybe cynical isn't the right word,

1148
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: but it does come down to money and can you

1149
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: garner enough financial support to really build the best roster possible.

1150
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: Because as much as we want to talk about the

1151
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 3: coaching and the x's and o's, and I'm sure that's

1152
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: very important as well, sometimes like I don't question fad

1153
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: Mata's knowledge of basketball, I do question what type of

1154
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 3: team he can build with a limited resource pool compared

1155
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: to the other Big East powerhouses.

1156
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, energy will probably not be a problem for him.

1157
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking about again.

1158
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: A guy with a lot of assistant coaching in the NBA,

1159
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: A guy that played at Butler during the glory days

1160
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: with Brad Stevens. He's got a great story to tell recruits.

1161
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: I know what's possible here at Butler because I live

1162
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: to not one, two Final four appearances and a national

1163
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: Championship appearance. So don't tell me it's not possible, because

1164
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: yeah two, I'm sorry too too, Nat. Yeah, thank you

1165
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: very much, Kevin. But my point is is I've lived it.

1166
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: Getting to the top is possible here at Butler, I

1167
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: can get you ready for the NBA, and I think

1168
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: the age at thirty six probably a lot more relatable

1169
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: to today's current seventeen, eighteen, even twenty year olds. When

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00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: you're recruiting in the portal.

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00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 3: How long into the press convererence do you think somebody

1172
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: asked about the almost make from Gordon Hayward.

1173
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: I say this all the time. I saw they played

1174
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: another video of it the other night. I know what's

1175
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: going to happen. I still think it's going in James.

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00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: I know I need to ask coach Nora d hey Man.

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00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: Do you still think about that? He has to write?

1178
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: We'd have to dig up some audio, klab baby, if

1179
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 5: I could throw some homework on your plate here. We

1180
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 5: had norad On again a couple of years ago before

1181
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 5: he coached in the Summer League. I don't know if

1182
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: I asked him specifically about the shot, the moods, the

1183
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 5: run in general. I don't know if we could dig

1184
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 5: up any of that audio, we could maybe play that.

1185
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: Something tells me we'll have a chance later on this

1186
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: week probably to talk to him about that, if not

1187
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: this week, next.

1188
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 5: Week for tomorrow's show there, because again, I mean, he

1189
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 5: was such a key key element to those Butler teams,

1190
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 5: maybe not from a scoring standpoint, but definitely as kind

1191
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 5: of their their point guard, and Shelvin mac did so

1192
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 5: much of the scoring in the back court, but a

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00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: lot of leadership there from Montal norm.

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00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: On this day, guys in nineteen ninety four, James, what

1195
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: happened on this day in nineteen ninety four Indiana Sports.

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00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't born yet, so you have to fill me.

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00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: In, Kevin.

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00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: I think I just I got I got old all

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Speaker 2: in one moment.

1200
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 5: Right this day in Indiana Sports.

1201
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I you Final four?

1202
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: Was that ninety three number one Purdue beat number four

1203
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: Kansas eighty three seventy eight Glenn big Dog Robinson forty

1204
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: four points and seven rebounds.

1205
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 5: Of course, Purdue fans would quickly say, well, then he

1206
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 5: would got a back injury wrestling in his hotel room.

1207
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Or is that the rumor there?

1208
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 5: And then they are they losing the Elite eight? Is

1209
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 5: that correct?

1210
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? This is from one of my buddies.

1211
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: He texted me and said, since Ronald Nord is coming

1212
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: over from the Hawks, can Magic City be a sponsor

1213
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: for Butler?

1214
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 5: Boy, you might get a lot of people to answer

1215
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: the phone a little bit quicker than you would normally, right,

1216
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it's Magic City.

1217
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: When you got the.

1218
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 7: Guard Levin Pepper wings and Hinkle, I'm no more.

1219
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 4: Okay, Lob do you see.

1220
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 5: The visions and ankle when you've got lemon pepper wings.

1221
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: It's about the wings, Kevin, It's all about the wings,

1222
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: West Chew writing in one thing, the leadership Butler has,

1223
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: Line Decker, Nora, Ed Hayward. They all have in common,

1224
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: all overachievers, all winners.

1225
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm okay with that. I don't mind.

1226
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: Uh So, I think I think most Butler folks are

1227
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: gonna be happy with this fire, don't you.

1228
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1229
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean it's Matt. I already see some

1230
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 5: people reaching out of like I'm skeptical about him never

1231
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 5: being head coach. I mean, I I get that, Like,

1232
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 5: that's that's a very fair statement to make there. Now again,

1233
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 5: I would point out that I don't think necessary. You

1234
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 5: could make an argument that it's pretty first time head

1235
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 5: coachie for everybody right now in college athletic.

1236
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: Because everything is so brand new.

1237
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 5: You know again, I'm gonna go back to the Notre

1238
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 5: Dame basketball analogy. Like Mike Bray had an unbelievable run

1239
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 5: at Notre Dame, I'm not sure that Mike Bray would

1240
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: have success had the same success in this era of

1241
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 5: college basketball, because I don't know if Notre Dame wants

1242
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 5: to have success in this era of college basketball. I

1243
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 5: don't know if they've got the big boy pants on.

1244
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 5: And look, if you're Notre Dame, are you gonna sit

1245
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 5: there and say, you know what, let's take the four

1246
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 5: million for football and let's bring that over to basketball.

1247
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 5: I'd like to make the tournament every couple of years.

1248
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 5: Oh really, you'd like to do that? What a four

1249
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 5: million got you two extra players, They got you to

1250
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 5: the National Championship game in football? I mean, come on, now,

1251
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 5: that fan base saying a bunch of Kevin Bowen and

1252
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 5: Ryan boonenes out there that loved the basketball program, they

1253
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 5: want football. So that to me is more of the

1254
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 5: question of like, okay, where are you at now? And again,

1255
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: for all these head coaches, I think, whether it's Tony Bennett,

1256
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 5: whether it's Jay Wright, whether it's you know, Bill self's

1257
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 5: probably been a little more health relata. We'll see how

1258
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 5: that plays out. You know, all of it is a

1259
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 5: little bit more of a money money money. See Tyr's

1260
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 5: Halliburn with a retweet of Butler basketball, so an endorsement

1261
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 5: there from the former pacer assistant of Ronald Noried and

1262
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 5: of course Tyrey's Haliburn being a player.

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00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: Tim's a little disappointed in you, Kevin Tim texting at

1264
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: two three nine ten seventy. I thought the breaking news

1265
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: center was confirmation that Tiger was going to play in

1266
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: the Masters.

1267
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: No, man, I think the breaking news center would have

1268
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 3: just been Kevin screaming.

1269
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 5: I don't know his comments posts around last night. I

1270
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: say post round, he hit like six goal shots. He

1271
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 5: sounded like he's going to make an attempt. So I

1272
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 5: think we will get to Masters week and he will

1273
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 5: try leave the door open, yes, which honestly is probably

1274
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: good for radiance and clicks. Tired.

1275
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: That's crazy that he still has that kind of command,

1276
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: But certain sports figures just do needle mover or he.

1277
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 5: Is the needle, right, is not what they said Aboutkaylyn Clark.

1278
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I will put them in the

1279
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: same breath. I mean, I've covered a lot of her

1280
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: games in person at this point in my career, and

1281
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: it is a rock star event every single time. She

1282
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: is more famous than you think she is.

1283
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how recent this this video is, but

1284
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: the Colts posted something in the last twenty four hours

1285
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: showed carl Ersa Gordon putting on some fever swag that

1286
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: was made just for her.

1287
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.

1288
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: We'll be asking Carlie Ersa Gordon, do you plan on

1289
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: getting other players to put on jerseys for your team

1290
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: here in a couple of days.

1291
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: That's the one you're more worried about right now? Yes,

1292
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: for sure, and don't blame me.

1293
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 6: All right.

1294
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: That's gonna wrap it up for us on this well,

1295
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, we got Jay Query coming your way with

1296
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: more on the Ronald nor Ed hiring at Butler between

1297
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: noon and three today.

1298
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: JMB will have his two cents at three o'clock. Enjoy

1299
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: your day. We'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning,

1300
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: seven am.