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Speaker 1: But first roll of that we've got Kevin opened the

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, my man.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning. I know I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot from from about three lineups this morning,

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Speaker 2: Well that's great, you know they say, learning is the

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Speaker 2: in this land of misinformation, the one who's learning is King.

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Speaker 2: If you're true, if you can dig where I'm coming from.

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Speaker 2: This morning, on the twelfth of February. And isn't the

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Speaker 2: And meanwhilest beginning of disc connection. The Democratic governors of

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Speaker 5: All right, greeting Nataki. How are you?

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Speaker 1: We're great in Nataki. How are you doing?

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Speaker 5: He may be muted, but I can come in. The

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Speaker 5: Just the administrative fee. The administrative fee is.

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Speaker 7: And it's like, if you weren't already sitting on the

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Speaker 1: Kamboni it's system, Nataka kambanis we're going to join us

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Speaker 6: for example, the African American Association of Ghana is the

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Speaker 6: one that cocon bene the town hall meeting and press

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Speaker 6: conference that we held on February first, the first day

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Speaker 6: of Black History Month, and the Rastafari Council and others,

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Speaker 6: Ghana Caribbean Association.

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Speaker 5: Various fourteen leaders.

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Speaker 6: Met and convene the meeting, and one of the main

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Speaker 6: things that we discussed is, you know, this impacts younger people,

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Speaker 6: older people. As the leaders met yesterday, it was pointed

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Speaker 6: out that see, there are a lot of seniors who

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Speaker 6: are moving to Ghana and who may not have been

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Speaker 6: here for that long, they may not have work permits,

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Speaker 6: So does that mean they will never qualify for citizenship.

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Speaker 5: There's just a lot of obstacles and hurdles that impact

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Speaker 5: our people.

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Speaker 6: Who who are you know, the descendants of enslaved people

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Speaker 6: And this policy has been taken into account without accounting

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Speaker 6: for us. So there's a fee structure that that is

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Speaker 6: imposed on us, but it's done in a way that

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Speaker 6: it really disregards what has happened to our ancestors and

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Speaker 6: who we are as as as their descendants.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, tell you that's a Taki Kambine calls

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Speaker 1: from Ghana along with a brother, Professor kambink You've all

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Speaker 1: to know Ghana opened the door to telling us to

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Speaker 1: come back home. And now they're tying into these restrictions

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Speaker 1: if you can get a citizenship or not. Professor say,

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Speaker 1: and what about the folks who have the applications in

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Speaker 1: the pipeline? Have they affected or their grandfathered in?

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Speaker 8: So these all of these people are affected because this

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Speaker 8: is taken to be enforced now. And as Nataki mentioned,

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Speaker 8: they have imposed a new set of requirements where you know,

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Speaker 8: again five years you have to have been here, and

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Speaker 8: then in addition to that, you have to demonstrate quote

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Speaker 8: unquote adequate knowledge of a Ganan language. But then it's

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Speaker 8: like who's there to decide what qualifies as adequate? Is

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Speaker 8: mid do enough? Is midphow enough? Is you know, are

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Speaker 8: the time of day greetings enough? But again it's also

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Speaker 8: from their online portal, it's not clear if the twenty

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Speaker 8: five thousand Ghana CDs that they're still charging for citizenship

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Speaker 8: is refundable, because initially they said that's not refundable.

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Speaker 7: So imagine you go in there and someone says, well, you.

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Speaker 8: Didn't pronounce that right, so we're holding on to your

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Speaker 8: twenty five thousand CDs. That there's too much wiggle room

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Speaker 8: for you know, anyone to just kind of take advantage

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Speaker 8: of that. And the main point that we made as representatives,

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Speaker 8: as she mentioned, decade of our repatriation door together with

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Speaker 8: Triple ag Coke convenes what was initially just going to

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Speaker 8: be a commemoration of Black History Month where we were

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Speaker 8: going to discuss what citizenship means to me on that

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Speaker 8: Sunday the first, but on the Friday immediately preceding that,

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Speaker 8: that's where these requirements came out and we said, you

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Speaker 8: know what, we have to do a press conference. We

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Speaker 8: have to speak to this and we had hundreds of

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Speaker 8: people literally a good one hundred and fifty to two

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Speaker 8: hundred in the room, well over three hundred online who

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Speaker 8: stayed for four and a half after words of the

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Speaker 8: entire program, standing room only, people outside in the hall.

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Speaker 8: We had you know, GH one, PEN and TV, all

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Speaker 8: of these different media houses that came to cover it.

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Speaker 8: And you know, what it really showed is that all

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Speaker 8: of these people are concerned that we have no representation

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Speaker 8: where these decisions are being made. There's a proverb in

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Speaker 8: t that says, won't so want, we need you out,

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Speaker 8: and it translates to if you're a hand that's inside,

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Speaker 8: they don't eat and leave you out. And basically the

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Speaker 8: point is that if you are part of the process,

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Speaker 8: if you are inside of these meetings where these decisions

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Speaker 8: are being made, then you can have input. Oftentimes, what

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Speaker 8: the government would do is say, oh, we spoke to

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Speaker 8: one person and therefore, you know, that's it. And what

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Speaker 8: it really shows is that we do not have a

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Speaker 8: representation at these decisions making meetings. And what it shows

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Speaker 8: and you know, well, I'll say adequated, you know, representation,

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Speaker 8: because if they talk to one person and that person says,

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Speaker 8: all these things are found. Like I know people personally

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Speaker 8: who have sold all of their worldly possessions, who came

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Speaker 8: for the Daspara summit, who are rule. They were told

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Speaker 8: that the Diaspara is now the seventeenth region of Ghana.

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Speaker 8: But then we have to ask the question, well is

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Speaker 8: this the treatment for all the other sixteen regions? And

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Speaker 8: if it's not, then what is the essence of saying

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Speaker 8: that we're the seventeenth region when I know people from

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Speaker 8: the first Region, second Region, all the way up to

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Speaker 8: the sixteenth region who weren't required to have twenty five

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Speaker 8: thousand CITs like they were born into it. So basically

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Speaker 8: what it shows is that there is something that's targeted

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Speaker 8: specifically to historic disperings. And again it doesn't match with

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Speaker 8: what the President said. And there's a proverb in tie

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Speaker 8: that says open to find a tough ofent and it

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Speaker 8: translates to one doesn't spit on the ground and then

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Speaker 8: lick it up themselves. And the idea is that what

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Speaker 8: you say, there's another prod says, you know what kind

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Speaker 8: of Jenahoe Trump and it translates to what you have said,

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Speaker 8: stands there and waits for you. So as President Muhammad

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Speaker 8: was you know, saying that you know, he was going

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Speaker 8: to turn the door of no return into the door

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Speaker 8: of return where it said that enslavement was the most

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Speaker 8: evil acting the history of humanity. He said that he

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Speaker 8: really came to understand enslavement when he was in undergrad

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Speaker 8: and he saw roots by Alex Haley and all these things,

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Speaker 8: Like he was really speaking to the unspeakable horrors.

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Speaker 7: And you know, the things that our ancestors have gone through.

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Speaker 8: And like I said, he said that Ghana has us

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Speaker 8: a moral obligation in terms of all of these different dungeons.

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Speaker 7: All of that are dotting the coast of you know, Ghana.

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Speaker 8: He mentioned that he's following in the footsteps of doctor

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Speaker 8: kuimin Pluma, George Padmore, nan A, Marcus Garvey WD divorced Martin.

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Speaker 7: Luther King, all of them.

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Speaker 8: And like I said, he said, what he's doing, it's

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Speaker 8: a privilege for him to do this because he's restoring

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Speaker 8: our birth right. He's restoring what is ours. He's not

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Speaker 8: giving us anything. So imagine you go from that position

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Speaker 8: of this is our birth right that we're returning to to.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, by the way, your birth right, your home

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Speaker 8: that you're returning to, you have to pay for that.

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Speaker 8: And on top of that, you have to do this,

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Speaker 8: you have to do that.

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Speaker 7: And like I said, it almost read like a Comedy

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Speaker 7: Central skit.

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Speaker 8: Of you know, you have to get your grandmother's fingerprints.

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Speaker 8: Now you got to do this. And you know I've

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Speaker 8: brought this up there a lot of Ghanan folk tales

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Speaker 8: where they talk about someone who's wicked and they send

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Speaker 8: the young child out to get the eye of an

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Speaker 8: elephant and to get the clause of a leopard and

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Speaker 8: get all these things that they know that person can't get.

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Speaker 7: And you know, this is almost the feeling of just.

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Speaker 8: How these hurdles have been placed in front of us

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Speaker 8: when at first we were ruined and sold that we

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Speaker 8: should come home.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty four minutes, go ahead, and the talking

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Speaker 1: We're go ahead real quick.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, so hi, does this color combine also representing

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Speaker 10: door second of ourpatiation? And I just wanted to talk

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Speaker 10: through the way forward. We've talked about a lot of

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Speaker 10: the issues of these are very significant issues, but I

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Speaker 10: know a lot of people are waiting to hear about

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Speaker 10: what can happen now and definitely we as a part

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Speaker 10: of the Decade of Repatiation, are working towards building that

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Speaker 10: connection with government so that we do have a seat

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Speaker 10: at the table and making decisions for uh issues around

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Speaker 10: citizenship and any thing else concerning the historic diaspora. That's

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Speaker 10: the work that we're trying to do here as as

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Speaker 10: a Decade of Repatriation and along along with the other

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Speaker 10: groups mentioned Triple ag God Appropriate Association, we're all all

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Speaker 10: working together. But we we want people to feel like

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Speaker 10: they can return home, that this is a space and

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Speaker 10: a place. Just as President Muhammad has said, we want

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Speaker 10: to hold him and the government to that promise.

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Speaker 1: That wet right there to step aside for a few moments.

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Speaker 1: We got to check the ladies news and trafficking women

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Speaker 1: our different cities and just hearing our friends from Ghana

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Speaker 1: calling us family that you know, the Ghana welcome throughout

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Speaker 1: the welcome out. Now they're kind of closing the door

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Speaker 1: or putting up some hurdles. This is some major changes.

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Speaker 1: If you want to become a citizen of Ghana, what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts? You can reach us an eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six or twenty

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Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top, but they are well,

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls off. We check the news, trafficking

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Speaker 1: weather in our different cities and grind rising family of

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Speaker 1: fans of waking up with us on this Thursday morning.

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Speaker 1: We have a group of friends from a Ghana joining us.

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Speaker 1: In case you didn't hear the news, the ganands have

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Speaker 1: changed the requirements now if you want to obtain citizenship

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Speaker 1: in Ghana, and the panel discussing us and tell us

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Speaker 1: why they changed these rules and what it means for

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Speaker 1: you if you're gonna you're thinking about moving to Ghana.

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Speaker 1: We've got the hundreds of family members who moved to

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Speaker 1: Ghana and some of them have obtained Ghanaian citizenship and

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Speaker 1: now they've changed the rules. And this is after inviting

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Speaker 1: us to come to Ghana. This is what Professor comb

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Speaker 1: On and Attackie come on and discussing this morning. Before

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Speaker 1: we go back to them, let me just remind you

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Speaker 1: come up later this morning. We're gonna hear from one

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Speaker 1: of our grails and also quans Are creator Doctor Malana

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Speaker 1: Kerengo will be here as we continue to discussing black

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Speaker 1: History Month also a music his story and Bill Conferener

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Speaker 1: will explain the role that music played in our history.

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Speaker 1: And Tomorrow Friday would give you a chance to free

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Speaker 1: I know that means you just to think for yourself

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Speaker 1: and join us for another edition of Open Phone Friday.

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Speaker 1: Begin promptly at six am Eastern Time right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WA be also in the DMV

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Speaker 1: and the Washington DC on fourteen fifteen. W L All right,

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Speaker 1: let me so, Natakis, have they told us why they changed?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so part of the problem, and I definitely want

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Speaker 6: Kyla to talk about the solutions and continue with that.

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Speaker 6: But to answer your question, one of the things that

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Speaker 6: happened when the fourteen diaspora led organizations came together is

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Speaker 6: we pinned a letter to the Ministry of Interior and

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Speaker 6: requested a meeting so that we could discuss what happened,

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Speaker 6: what can happen, and how this will impact all of

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Speaker 6: us going forward. We did get a response to that letter,

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Speaker 6: and we're looking forward to a meeting as soon as

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Speaker 6: February eighteenth, which is just this week, coming to find

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Speaker 6: out exactly what's going on. What part of the challenge

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Speaker 6: is that we should know the answer to your question.

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Speaker 6: And we would have known the answer to your question

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Speaker 6: if we had adequate representation as these policies were being

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Speaker 6: crafted and drafted that impact us. And so because that

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Speaker 6: adequate representation does not exist, I think Kala can continue

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Speaker 6: to elaborate on what we're doing moving forward because, as

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Speaker 6: Obinfo also said, we know through decade of our repatriot

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Speaker 6: excuse me, through door of repatriot, Oh my goodness, let

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Speaker 6: me get it right, through the decade of our repatriation,

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Speaker 6: and through repatriot to Ghana and some of these things.

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Speaker 6: People who have sold all of their belongings and some

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Speaker 6: people literally have ships with their belongings coming to the

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Speaker 6: ports of Ghana because they heard the calls from the

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Speaker 6: Office of the President and they said, I am going

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Speaker 6: to relocate and I am going to move to Ghana.

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Speaker 6: And so this directly impacts people who just got here,

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Speaker 6: people who've been here twenty years but don't meet many

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Speaker 6: of these requirements, People on fixed incomes who will never

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Speaker 6: be able to or never easily be able to afford

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Speaker 6: the twenty five hundred dollars, or who don't have blood

653
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Speaker 6: ties or work permits or these kinds of things. So

654
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Speaker 6: Kala if you could speak to what's happening going forward.

655
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 10: So what is happening going forward is what Natakie did mention,

656
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 10: which is a meeting with the representatives of the government

657
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Speaker 10: with the values organizations.

658
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 7: And in addition to.

659
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Speaker 10: That, we do intend to do a follow up town

660
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 10: hall meeting to inform everyone on what's going on. So

661
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 10: we do encourage everyone to go through the Decade of

662
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 10: our Repatriation website and fill in the form to be

663
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 10: added to the news letter so that you can get

664
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Speaker 10: information on what's happening next and how this will affect

665
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 10: tools those here. And even if this doesn't affect you directly,

666
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 10: if you just want to support what we're trying to do,

667
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 10: to go to go there and fill out the information.

668
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 10: For those who want citizenship or are interested in citizenship

669
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Speaker 10: here in Ghana as well do the same thing. We

670
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 10: are definitely advocating for uh better citizenship process for historic

671
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 10: diasterands and we you know, we're we're hopeful that things

672
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 10: will move in our favor so that the door will

673
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 10: be open for all of us to return home and

674
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 10: restore our birth rate. As President Muhammad said, all right

675
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Speaker 10: to have a.

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Speaker 1: Way for a time family just checking in sister college

677
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Speaker 1: joining us and along with it's just in the talking

678
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Speaker 1: Professor Kambonda, been some changes in the requirements for get citizenships.

679
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Speaker 1: If you think they're going to Gane and becoming a citizen,

680
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: they all of a sudden, I guess over night, have

681
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: changed the rules. A professor comb on did they Did

682
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: they caucus with you guys and ask about how we

683
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Speaker 1: can make these or streamline the requirements better so it

684
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Speaker 1: more efficient. Did they meet with you and and and

685
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: what is the outcome? Has anybody checked with them and

686
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: why they made the changes? Professor?

687
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 8: So, no, there was no caucusing with you know, all

688
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 8: of these organizations that were represented. What we found out

689
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 8: after the fact is that one person was told that

690
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 8: they you know, got a call, and you know that

691
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 8: person told one other person and out of that, you know,

692
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 8: these new requirements that are equally you know, the first

693
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 8: requirements were just impossible, but then they took back one

694
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Speaker 8: of the requirements for DNA, but then they added other

695
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 8: things that are, if not impossible, as close to impossible

696
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Speaker 8: as possible. So it's like, you know, how in the

697
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Speaker 8: world can you say that you you called one person

698
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Speaker 8: in and that person and said okay, here's the thumbs up.

699
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 8: And now you know you got people who are going

700
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 8: to be jammed up because they literally just came from

701
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 8: the Daspara summit where you said where resent and Goanna

702
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 8: did the Dasparas the seventeenth region, come home? This is

703
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 8: your home. And then as soon as the people answered

704
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 8: that call, Now they haven't been here for five years, right,

705
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 8: they don't have work permit. Some of these people are

706
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 8: in their sixties and seventies, so they don't have a

707
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 8: work permit. They haven't even been here love enough to

708
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 8: learn the language, and a lot of people who have

709
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 8: been here for.

710
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 7: A while, you know, it becomes a quit challenge.

711
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 8: Now we just offered and this is before the new

712
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 8: language requirement triple AG. African American Association I'm gone not

713
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 8: together with door offered key classes and those were taught

714
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 8: at the Institute of African Studies. So you'll find a

715
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 8: lot of these things are happening at the Institute of

716
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 8: African Studies because I worked there in ever since twenty sixteen,

717
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 8: even back to twenty fifteen, I've offered that space.

718
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 7: And because of offering.

719
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 8: That space, that's how we got sit as ship under

720
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Speaker 8: President Mohamma in the first place, his executive secretary came

721
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Speaker 8: to one of those meetings and we said that you

722
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Speaker 8: know what, we contribute a lot to Gunan society and

723
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Speaker 8: we don't have.

724
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Speaker 7: Much to show for it. We would like citizenship.

725
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 8: He took that back to President Muhammad and then from

726
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 8: there he was, you know, voted out of office December seventh,

727
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 8: so by the twenty eighth, that's when he said again

728
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Speaker 8: to restore our birth right of citizenship.

729
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 7: So again they did not caucuss with us, They did

730
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Speaker 7: not meet with us.

731
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Speaker 8: And they are problems in t that say Ticroqua that

732
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Speaker 8: one head does not go into council. That indeed, you

733
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Speaker 8: require a lot of people who are stakeholders and the

734
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Speaker 8: I'll close on this point for now. A cause on

735
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Speaker 8: this point for now, I said, imagine, you know those

736
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Speaker 8: of us who are citizens now, Ghana's citizens now, who

737
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Speaker 8: are coming from the historic diaspra. Imagine there are ten

738
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Speaker 8: of us who are seated at the table and we're

739
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Speaker 8: making all of the decisions for those who are born

740
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Speaker 8: and raised in Ghana. You would have such a huge

741
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Speaker 8: outfron It would just be ludicrous that we're making decisions

742
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 8: on the constist tuency and there's no representation for that constituency.

743
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 8: But just the day before they reduce the requirements, I

744
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 8: spoke to the deputy director of that for Affairs and

745
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 8: I said, you realize that there's not a single historic

746
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 8: das brend in this uh for affairs officers the president

747
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Speaker 8: And he said, yeah, yeah, that's right. And I said,

748
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 8: also there's a das for a bureau at the Minisphere

749
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Speaker 8: of Foreign Affairs. There's not a single person who's coming

750
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Speaker 8: from the historic Diaspra who is.

751
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 7: You know there. He was like, yeah, yeah, that's true.

752
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 8: And I was like, what this amounts to a taxation

753
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 8: without representation. You can come there for Dirty December, you

754
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 8: can spend millions, if not billions of dollars in Ghana's economy,

755
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 8: but now where it comes to actually having a seat

756
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 8: at the table when decisions are being made, you know,

757
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 8: now we're being shidelined. So you know that's not there

758
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 8: and again that's not in the spirit of President Muhammad.

759
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 8: And you know, there's definitely deniability that some of these

760
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 8: people who are under him are making these decisions without

761
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 8: the clary consulting with him. Because I'm really to be heartbroken,

762
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 8: Ohama said, yeah, all of that came from me. You

763
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 8: got to do this and this and this and this

764
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 8: and this and this and that, because that's not what

765
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 8: he did in twenty sixteen. And you know, we saw

766
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 8: what the MPP did. They never that's the opposing party now,

767
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 8: they never raised so many hurdles to citizenship. And now

768
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 8: President Muhammad has been declared the champion of reparations by

769
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 8: the AU and we have some that weekend is moral

770
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 8: standing or the moorl standing of Ghana. Let me say,

771
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 8: the champion reparative justice on the international stage of the

772
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 8: You and General Assembly. Meanwhile, right here at home, the

773
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 8: very thing that we have the power to repair and

774
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 8: restore right now in terms of our birth right, as

775
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 8: he phrased it, his being blocked, hampered and impeded. That

776
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 8: that doesn't all go well, and it doesn't look very

777
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 8: good for Ghana.

778
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 7: You just had a god named Iso Speed.

779
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 8: Who has something like fifty million subscribers who came here.

780
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 8: He got his passport in one day. Doubt he did

781
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 8: a DNA testing, no twenty four hours. I doubt he

782
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 8: had to show the Ganaan language, he had to do

783
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 8: any of those things that are now applied to the

784
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 8: historic diaspa, and we asked the question, do I have

785
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 8: to get fifty million followers on a non black platform

786
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 8: before the government is willing to give me my birthright

787
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 8: or restore it? As it was said before, What did

788
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 8: Maya got a diplomatic passport?

789
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 7: I know what in Maya?

790
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 8: Two interviews with what is Maya on his rides to

791
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 8: the top. But then again it's like, well, how come

792
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 8: he gets a diplomatic passport just because he's big on

793
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 8: these non black platforms.

794
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 7: What about the regular person?

795
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 8: What about the person who has sold all their worthy

796
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 8: possessions and they are coming to you know, get land,

797
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 8: build their homes, have a soft you know, landing space

798
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 8: for their family and all these things. They've truly made

799
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 8: this again the policy isn't matching with the spirit in

800
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 8: which the citizenship happened in the first place.

801
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 11: Then let me come in here for a second.

802
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just going to point out that, you know, uh,

803
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 6: this is not you know, we're talking about it from

804
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 6: an individual level, but this is also well two things.

805
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 6: One A benfo and I met with other persons in

806
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 6: government on some of these collaborations around the decade of

807
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 6: our repatriation, and many of those leaders were also shocked

808
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: at some of the policies, and so I am looking

809
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 6: forward to hearing more from the Office of the President

810
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 6: and President Muhamma himself on these policies. So, you know,

811
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 6: this is still a story that is that is breaking,

812
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 6: So I'll leave that point there. Also, I was going

813
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 6: to say that this doesn't just impact the individual citizens.

814
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 6: Some of the people who heard the call to action

815
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 6: to come to Ghana are who are looking forward to citizenships.

816
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 5: Are people who.

817
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 6: Were bringing multi million dollar companies or infrastructure or all

818
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 6: of these different kinds of things who are trying to

819
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 6: create jobs and resources for not just diasporas who came,

820
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 6: but also for Ghanaians. There is a serious youth unemployment

821
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 6: problem here in Ghana, uh and there have been historic

822
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 6: diasporas who have come to Ghana and said, I want

823
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 6: to be part of the solution for the employment problem.

824
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 6: There are people who are coming because they do see

825
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: Ghana as a way to you know, kind of seek

826
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: refuge from what's happening in the United States and wanted

827
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 6: to set up ways that both the historic diaspora and

828
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 6: Ghanaian born Ghanaans could work together all of these kinds

829
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 6: of things are now being looked at and on pause

830
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 6: because there is an overnight shift that happened again without

831
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 6: any conversations with the leaders who represent thousands of constituents

832
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 6: both in Ghana and some abroad.

833
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 5: UH with this new policy rollout.

834
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Speaker 1: Right the system. Thet's talking hold on all right there,

835
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: we got to check the traffic and weather in a

836
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: different cities. I'll like to finish your thought when you

837
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: come back. Family, just checking in with us, just waking

838
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: up the Taki Kamban. It's just the call of Professor

839
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: Kumbank joined us from Ghana this morning. There's been some changes.

840
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: If you want to become a Ghanaian citizen, what are

841
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

842
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. We'll take you calls after we check

843
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: the traffic and weather at different cities. That's next and

844
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: grand rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.

845
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I guess from Ghana. We have sister caller. We have

846
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: na Taki Kambona, Professor Kambon, and there's been some changes

847
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: in citizenship requirements for folks who traveled to Ghana and

848
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: want to become Ghanaian citizenship and so far we haven't

849
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: talking about the political aspect that I got a note

850
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: here from Mark from Anheim. He says, of course the

851
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: restrictions are tiny and on all these black folks in the

852
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: US going to Ghana, he says, been warning this for

853
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: more than five years. He says Ghana has been involved

854
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: in backdoor deals with the Trump administration US Ghana deportation

855
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: packed since Inauguration Day twenty twenty five. He says, people

856
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: around it up here in the States are often transported

857
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: to Ghana where they are processed before they later sent

858
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: back to various nations which they had fled from seeking asylum.

859
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: Goes on to say Ghana is one of several African

860
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: nations which are in bed with Elon Musk, Peter Thiel

861
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: and other darking linemen where smart cities are being created

862
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: and those smart cities do not even answers the AA

863
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: national government, and they said many blacks have sold everything

864
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and fled to Ghana will not only find themselves, not

865
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: only will they find so not being Ghanaian citizens, but

866
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: will not be welcome back in the United States. What

867
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: you guys say, you have that?

868
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know a lot of the sentiments that

869
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Speaker 8: are there. You know, we've you know, spoken out against

870
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Speaker 8: US military based here in Ghana, all these various things

871
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 8: that have happened over the years. But you know, again

872
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 8: I keep referring back to the President Mohammad Is on

873
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 8: the political side that when he in twenty sixteen first

874
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 8: extended this citizenship initiative that's now spread onto Beneen, Sierra

875
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 8: Leon and so forth, he said, and I always says,

876
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Speaker 8: I do believe this win when he said, our brothers

877
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 8: and sisters living and dash for have acquired skills that

878
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 8: are useful to the mother land. And so by allowing

879
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 8: you to come and go freely and even.

880
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 7: To reside, you bring those skills back to the motherland.

881
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 8: And again he says, you know, we have the benefits

882
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Speaker 8: of learning and science and those who benefit our brothers

883
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 8: and sisters who are here in Ghana. So you know,

884
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 8: again that's the spirit in which this particular president, our

885
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 8: president has approached citizenship. And again we've never seen anybody

886
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 8: from the historic guns.

887
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 7: Who I employed.

888
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Speaker 8: And it's not if you could meet your mic briefly,

889
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 8: I have eleven Ghanans who I employed. One of the

890
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 8: members of our steering committee we met yesterday and he

891
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 8: let us know that he employed seventeen lands. So these

892
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 8: are people who are able to pay their school fees

893
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 8: and do all of these things because that friends were

894
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 8: welcome here, you know, in that spirit. So you know,

895
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 8: as we really you know, come to a clear point,

896
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 8: we have to make the point that belonging as has

897
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 8: been you know, put forth to us, it can't be

898
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 8: turned into a paywall and a process that can only

899
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 8: be completed by a tiny fraction of people is not

900
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 8: access is screening. These B and A requirements that they

901
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 8: rolled out with first they punish us for the very history.

902
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 8: Ganda says that it recognizes and you know, the suspension

903
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 8: that actually shows that when we come together as these

904
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 8: various member organizations, it proves that when we organize together,

905
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 8: the government will listen. And you know, we're not asking

906
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 8: for shortcuts, but we are asking for representation of recognition

907
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 8: that we are a historically unique group.

908
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 7: So that means I don't care what.

909
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 8: You're charging to Chinese, I don't care what you're charging

910
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 8: for the lebanties. And I doubt they have to prove

911
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 8: DNA or speak PEE or do anything else. But you know,

912
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 8: so for us, as a historical group as what the

913
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Speaker 8: government has.

914
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Speaker 7: Said constitutes the seventeenth Region of Ghana. That if you're

915
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 7: saying that all the other sixteen.

916
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 8: Regions are not subjected to this, but now the seventeenth

917
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Speaker 8: region is subjected to this, then again that's just not fair.

918
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 8: So again we invite listeners to support this unified approach

919
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Speaker 8: that we're taking, and that includes DOOR, that includes Ghana

920
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 8: Caribbean Association, that includes the African American Association of Ghana,

921
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 8: that includes the Rastafari Council, that includes the Hebrew Israelite

922
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 8: that includes all of these various organizations that participated in

923
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Speaker 8: the town hall that was co convened by DOOR, Decade

924
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 8: of r Repatriation and Triple ag the African American Association

925
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 8: of Ghana. And the best way to do it is

926
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 8: one to amplify anything you've heard today. We're very clear

927
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 8: that the government of Ghana is listening to whatever is

928
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 8: happening on traditional media and social media. So if all

929
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 8: of these are, you know, people who have fifty million

930
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 8: subscribers way in on this, I'm sure that you know.

931
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 8: Even if the average Joe can't get, you know, listening here,

932
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 8: perhaps the President himself will here when other people are

933
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 8: you know, really you know, bringing this to the forefront.

934
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 8: So again what we're asking right.

935
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Speaker 1: There, Combin, the professor, brother Gregor and Charlotte has a

936
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: question for you. It's online three grand rising brother with

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00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Professor Kumban not Taki comes Carl and Ghanet.

938
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 12: Yes, Grand rising Brother Carl, sister caller and doctor Combone.

939
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 12: How y'all doing this morning?

940
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 7: Doing black powerful?

941
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 6: We're great and you're hearing three voices Kala Kambin uh

942
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 6: and Nataki Kambin and Benfo doctor Kamban.

943
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 5: But yes, yes, ma'am.

944
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 13: Thank you.

945
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 14: Yes, I called in.

946
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 13: I heard you talking.

947
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 12: About citizenship specifically in Ghana, but effectively in the United States,

948
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 12: and I wanted to bring to your attention a bill

949
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 12: introduced by a United States Senator in the United States Senate,

950
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Speaker 12: and it's called so you can google this Senator Marino,

951
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 12: the Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five.

952
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 14: And I'll just read at to bring it to your

953
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 14: attention and to do to Bernie Moreno, a Republican from Ohio,

954
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 14: introduced the Exclusive Citizenship Act twenty five to establish that

955
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 14: citizens of the United States must have soul of exclusive

956
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 14: allegiance to the United States. One of the greatest honors

957
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 14: of my life was when I became an American citizen

958
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 14: of the eighteen that Senator Bernie Marino, it was an

959
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 14: honor to pledge an old of allegiance to the United

960
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 14: States of America and only to the United States of America.

961
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 13: Being in America honor.

962
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 7: And a privilege.

963
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 13: And if you want to be an American, it's all

964
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 13: or nothing. It's time to end dual citizenship for good.

965
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 13: And that is an excerpt from that Senate bill. And

966
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 13: I wanted to bring it to your attention as a

967
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 13: possible sort of foundation as to why that move might

968
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 13: be made in Ghana, that it could be influenced by

969
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 13: the United States government to the Ghanaian government to stop

970
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 13: or slow down this transition of American citizens Black Americans

971
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 13: waking up and saying we do not want to be

972
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 13: under this administration or under this suppression and moving to Ghana.

973
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 13: So I wanted to try to connect the dots or

974
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 13: with you all this morning. Do you see a possible

975
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 13: connection with the rising of that Senate bill and what

976
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 13: is happening in Ghana today, what you're discussing this morning.

977
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 6: I say, I'm aware of the bill. He's a Republican

978
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 6: senator from Ohio. I believe it is, and I don't

979
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 6: think that there is a connection per se. But what

980
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 6: I will say is with the number of historic diasperans,

981
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 6: and not just historic diasprans, but the number of Americans

982
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 6: who have spoken about wanting to leave the United States,

983
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 6: and that's not even just black people, a lot of.

984
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: People who are passport holders.

985
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 6: A brother Paul may be able to quote numbers a

986
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 6: little bit better than I could have made exits immediately

987
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 6: after President Trump took office, and and there have been

988
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 6: there have been a number of people who have declared

989
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 6: that they are leaving the US and they're not coming back,

990
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 6: or they're leaving until there's an administration change. And this

991
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 6: is a way to really make people put up or

992
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 6: shut up. So I'm not sure the impetus of why

993
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 6: he did that. I'm sure the reason uh he was picked,

994
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 6: if we could say it that way, to lead something.

995
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 5: Like that, is because he is uh, he.

996
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 6: Is someone who immigrated. But with the policies that are

997
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 6: being introduced here, I would I would suspect they're not

998
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 6: related to that. But what it does call into question

999
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 6: is those people who are saying that I do want

1000
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 6: to leave the United States will maybe in the near future,

1001
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 6: have to make a choice.

1002
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 5: Is this some Is this something where I will be

1003
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: a dual citizen?

1004
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: Right now, all of us on the call who are

1005
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 6: advocating for people who have now been who have now

1006
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 6: had this hurdle put in front of them, all three

1007
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 6: of us are Ganna and citizens. So my parents are

1008
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 6: are Ghanaian citizens. You know, Avenfo Kala, all his children,

1009
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 6: you know except Ama were born in Ghana. We all

1010
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 6: have citizenships, so uh and and the leaders of the

1011
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 6: of the for teen organizations that we keep referencing, I

1012
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 6: think most of those leaders have citizenship in Ghana.

1013
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 5: So this isn't really about our citizenship.

1014
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 6: It is about those who are seeking refuge in Ghana.

1015
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 5: What does that mean for you?

1016
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 6: Those who are seeking business and investment opportunities in Ghana?

1017
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 5: What does that mean for you? Those who are.

1018
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 6: Trying to re live Mention?

1019
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 5: What does that mean for you?

1020
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: So we're just flying out of time yet. Is there

1021
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: a number of email address folks want more information on

1022
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: these changes in Ghanaian citizenship requirements and folks can reach

1023
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: you guys.

1024
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, if you want to text for more information.

1025
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 5: The number to text is area code.

1026
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 6: Three zero one is the US number, So plus one

1027
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 6: three zero one two four four nine zero seven to two.

1028
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 6: You cannot call it.

1029
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 5: You shouldn't call it. You should text your name, phone number,

1030
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 5: and email.

1031
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 6: Address with the word with the words Ghana Citizenship and

1032
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 6: you will get more information via email and you can

1033
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 6: stay in the loop that way. Again, the number is

1034
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 6: plus one three zero one two four four.

1035
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 5: Nine zero seven two.

1036
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 6: I know you have callers from all over the world,

1037
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 6: so for anyone listening outside of the US, make sure

1038
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 6: you have that plus one. And for people in the US,

1039
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 6: it's three zero one is in Maryland, not the other

1040
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: number that's California.

1041
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys, and keep us in the loop.

1042
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Let us know about iyhere anymore changes.

1043
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 8: And also the brother called the website is Decade of

1044
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 8: our Repatriation dot com and people can find out more

1045
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 8: about it.

1046
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 7: Some of the major projects.

1047
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 8: There's one hundred billion dollar city that is slated for

1048
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 8: a Ghana that's being led by two did Burn sisters.

1049
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 8: There is a forty six acre Marina farm that's going

1050
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 8: to expand out for four hundred acres in short order.

1051
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 8: That's part of the Decade of Our Repatriation. There's a

1052
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 8: multimillion dollar building project. Just a couple of times away

1053
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 8: the Beyond View there is an eco resort. So all

1054
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 8: of these people are again making soft landings for those

1055
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 8: who are coming to godas So check out Decade of

1056
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 8: Ouripatriation dot com and d R that's the acronym Decade

1057
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 8: of Our Repatriation dot com. You can find us online

1058
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 8: as well. A lot of news articles have been written

1059
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 8: about about our endorsement from the officers of the President,

1060
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 8: so again you can go to the website as well

1061
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 8: to find out more information. And yeah, we definitely appreciate

1062
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 8: you reaching out to us. Like we said, we all

1063
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 8: have citizenship. This is about making sure that our citizenship

1064
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 8: is meaningless unless it's linked up with the citizenship of

1065
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 8: all of our brothers and sisters in the Doncas, especially

1066
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 8: those who are looking to escape the clutches of Donald Trump.

1067
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Professor camb thanking it sci, thank you, Carla,

1068
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us this morning from Ghana. All right, family,

1069
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to fourteen half the top of

1070
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: the hour, say Grant, right, he's the Bill Corver to

1071
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Bill thank you for being so patient with us. Welcome

1072
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: back to the program day, Thank.

1073
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: You, good morning. That was a fascinating conversation.

1074
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on in Ghana with our folks out there,

1075
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: some of them feel trapped. But let's talk about music family.

1076
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: Bill is our music historian here and we're trying to

1077
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: figure out how what the role that music played, you know,

1078
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: in our history, and I'm seeing we come up with

1079
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: a clock, but if you can give us a thumbnails

1080
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: sketch of what the role that hit the music played

1081
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: in our history, Bill.

1082
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: Well, essentially, music has always made us feel good when

1083
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: we were feeling bad. You know, if you think about

1084
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: the slaves, if you think about the indentured servants, or

1085
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Speaker 3: the even the free people who still faced the same

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00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: slights that the slaves receive. Music was an escape in

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Speaker 3: a way to forget about what was going on around them.

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Speaker 3: And and that's what it does even today. You know,

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Speaker 3: you're talking about the Trunk administration, and you know the

1090
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: evil that is put out into the atmosphere. Music is

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Speaker 3: an escape, you know, just like the super Bowl this weekend,

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Speaker 3: all this politicalness about bad funny performing, I didn't see

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Speaker 3: a lot of that coming from black people. It came

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: from conservative people who feel like they're losing their country,

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01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: which of course, as we all know, was stolen from

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Speaker 3: Native Americans. But you know, essentially that's what music is.

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Speaker 3: It makes us feel better.

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Speaker 1: All right, sixteen a half that top the family, just

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Speaker 1: to join us and just checking in Bill comdown music historian.

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Speaker 1: As we listen and we're going to talk about the

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: role of music played, it tells you that, you know,

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: with the role of music played in our history. And

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Speaker 1: we've talked about the drum being an essential part of

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: our history from Africa. What other things that we bring

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01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: from the continent here that we still use built? Can

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: you can you name any that's?

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Speaker 3: The main thing is rhythm? You know, like the Europeans

1108
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: brought the piano from Italy and horn from Germany, but

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: Africans brought rhythm and melody and exciting hold.

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Speaker 1: Up through right there. As I mentioned, we got to

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Speaker 1: take the break when to come back there? Can you

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Speaker 1: define rhythm for us? What is what is rhythm? You know?

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Speaker 1: Can you can we talk about rhythm and blues? We

1114
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: know what blues it, but what what is rhythm? If

1115
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Speaker 1: you share that with this all appreciated family, you got

1116
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: questions about our music. It's this man you need to

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Speaker 1: talk to. His name is Bill Coffenter and you can

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Speaker 1: reach Bill at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take it phone calls next right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, Bill uh first? Who was that on

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: that song?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Johnny Taylor late, great Johnny Taylor.

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Speaker 7: Last.

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Speaker 3: That's actually one of the last records he did before

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01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 3: he passed away. About oh gosh, about twenty five years

1126
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: ago now, but it title oh last two dollars. Oh okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, before we left the breakouts because you says

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Speaker 1: what we bought from Africa. We know about the drum,

1129
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: and we know about the baseline a lot of our songs.

1130
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: We like to have a nice baseline on the songs.

1131
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: But you've talked about rhythm, and we heard about rhythm

1132
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: and blues R and B. Can you define what is rhythm?

1133
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Speaker 3: Rhythm is basically percussion, you know, like a percussion instrument.

1134
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: It's one that hits that your hit to make the sound.

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: And that's something that was pretty absent from European music,

1136
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, because America is just a melting pot, you know,

1137
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: it's it's when you think about music in America, it's

1138
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: the cross pollenization of European music, African music, Caribbean music,

1139
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: South America. Everything is put into a pot and you

1140
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: create all these different things, and at the base of

1141
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 3: it is the rhythms, the sound like the bamboula. The

1142
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: bamboula is like if you think about Fats Domino, I'm

1143
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: walking that that's something sound that's like a bamboula drum

1144
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: rhythm and that there comes from West Africa, Africa, which

1145
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: is most likely something that certain people during the slave

1146
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: trade bought that with them then came to America created

1147
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: instruments that created the same sound that they remembered from

1148
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: their homeland.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two after top Down, Bill Jay's joining us from

1150
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: Detroit Online Wine Grand Rise In Jay, You're on a

1151
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: Bill Conferent.

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 4: Yes, good morning, Grant Rising Brothers. Yeah, I just wanted

1153
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 4: to ask a question about, you know, some of the

1154
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 4: music that has helped us, as your guests mentioned, the

1155
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 4: helping us get through bad times or challenges, you know,

1156
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 4: in our lives individually and collectively, and could he give

1157
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 4: some examples of that, you know, because also music is

1158
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: used as messages, you know, like you were talking about

1159
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 4: going back to the days of enslavement of Africans and

1160
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 4: how they would you know, those retentions that they brought

1161
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 4: over from Africa using the drum, and then even in

1162
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 4: the lyrics of a lot of the spiritual songs that

1163
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 4: you know were created, you know, couldn't hear nobody pray

1164
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: and wait in the water and things of that nature

1165
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: that would send these some these hidden messages that the

1166
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 4: so called enslavers that weren't aware of, you know. And

1167
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 4: then just making the transition through the years of you know,

1168
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: in the spiritual gospel realm and also in the secular

1169
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: realm with people like Paul Ropes and you know, and

1170
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 4: his struggles, you know, throughout his career has being you know,

1171
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 4: one of the cop singers and entertainers and other things.

1172
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: You know, So could you kind of give some examples

1173
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 4: of that. And then you know the era that I

1174
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 4: grew up in. You know, we were talking even Sam Cooks,

1175
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 4: you know, change is gonna come or change Brown, I'm

1176
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: black and I'm proud, you know, and just going going

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Speaker 4: from there. Stevie has always had great messages in his songs,

1178
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: protests and things of that nature. So could you give

1179
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: some examples of that, you know, and make.

1180
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Speaker 3: That connection absolutely well. I mean, every what makes every

1181
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 3: individual feel good is going to be different. You mentioned

1182
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: the change is going to come by Sam Cook, which

1183
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: is a great it's a masterpiece.

1184
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

1185
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: But when I think of Sam Cook, I think about Twisting.

1186
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: The Night Away.

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 3: That's the song by him that makes me feel good. Uh,

1188
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: you know, because the colors, the language, the lyrics so

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: incredible and that I won't go into that, but but

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Speaker 3: but it's just really you mentioned Paul Robson. I remember

1191
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 3: being in high school, going to a performing arts high school,

1192
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: Duke Ellington here in d C. And learning Ezekiel Saw

1193
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 3: the Will and Joe Hill. I dreamed that saw Joe

1194
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 3: Hill last.

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Speaker 9: Night drive as you and me.

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Speaker 3: You know that those were the popular songs of Paul

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01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: Robson's day. Joe Hill, you know, which is the Workers

1198
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: a workers song about what workers go through. And at

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: the turn of the twentieth century, before there were a

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01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 3: lot of legal protections put into the law books to

1201
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, make things better for workers. You know, you

1202
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: work twelve hours a day, there was no eight hour

1203
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, you worked as long as your employer said

1204
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: you're going to work until these laws are put on

1205
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: the books. And so the numbers of songs that can

1206
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: make people feel good, well, actually just sink back to

1207
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: the slave masters liked they encouraged the slaves to sing

1208
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: because they felt they helped them get through their work

1209
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: as they sang. And then, like you mentioned, sometimes they

1210
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 3: had messages because the slave masters didn't know what the

1211
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 3: messages meant. Like wade in the water was. You know,

1212
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: that's a way to get when you hut the if

1213
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: you run away, he runs away, and they put the

1214
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: bloodhounds after them. You way through the water because that

1215
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: throws the scent off. The hounds can't follow the scent

1216
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 3: if you go to the water. That's sort of the

1217
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 3: backdrop to that song. But slaves just singing as they

1218
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 3: worked helped them get through the day. And I remember

1219
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 3: being a teenager, one of my first jobs was putting

1220
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 3: these buttons into envelopes for this educational organization, and at

1221
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: that time, I would listen to the radio. If I

1222
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: didn't have that radio, the day would have been twice

1223
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 3: as long, you know.

1224
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Speaker 7: And so.

1225
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can definitely relate to that because of a

1226
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 4: song that helped me when I was real young and

1227
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 4: even doing household tours. Going back to Sam Cook with

1228
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 4: the chain Yang.

1229
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing about Sam. I mean almost

1230
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: everything was feel good, even when it was telling a

1231
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 3: sad story, you know, like I can't go to the

1232
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: movie theater and the and change it's going to come.

1233
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 3: You know, he's talking about all these things. I was

1234
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 3: born by the river and a little shack, you know,

1235
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 3: all these It's a harrowing picture that he paints, but

1236
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: at the same time, melodically it makes you feel good,

1237
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: especially if you're not concentrating on what he's actually saying.

1238
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: It's the beauty of his voice and the instrumentation, the

1239
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: strings and all that.

1240
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 4: Similar to Donny Hathaways.

1241
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yes, sad song, sad song, but he sings

1242
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 3: it almost like it's almost like a love song. It

1243
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: sounds so pretty beautiful.

1244
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: Right, it's up in here, Jay, because we are thirty

1245
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: minutes at the top of that. Jay, thank you for

1246
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: your call. Bill. Let's me ask you this stuff. The

1247
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: different genres of music, What what precipitated? What made us

1248
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: change in music? Now? You know before rapping R and B,

1249
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: classic R and B jazz, what what what caused the

1250
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: music genre to change. Was he something politically socially that

1251
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: was taking place in our lives?

1252
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: And sure, I mean throughout our history nothing nothing stays

1253
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: the same, you know, everything changes, it evolves as you

1254
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 3: hear new thing. I mean, that's why we have the

1255
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: music we have now, because you know, thirty years ago,

1256
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: uh Diddy or whoever, and you know in the rap

1257
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: world heard something, they heard something, you know, like that

1258
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: old highlight song. I can't think of the title right now,

1259
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 3: but it influenced Crazy in Love by Beyonce. So you

1260
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 3: hear things, and as a creative person musician, you take

1261
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 3: elements of what you hear and you put it into

1262
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: something new. It's it's just amazing what it's like a

1263
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: building block. You just as the same person can hear

1264
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 3: the same song and come up with two different versions

1265
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 3: of where to go with it, what directions to go

1266
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 3: with it. And that's you just think about like Natalie

1267
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 3: cole Well, her father Nat ping Pole doing Mona Lisa

1268
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 3: one way, and then forty years later she has the

1269
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: idea to do it as a duet with a big

1270
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 3: arc sure, whereas his version was a little more simple,

1271
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: you know. And then you have people that so Colin

1272
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: mentioned James Brown. James Brown is one of the most

1273
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: sampled artists ever in hip hop music R and you

1274
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 3: know current R and B music. You know, whether it's

1275
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: his grunts, you know those size he would make, those

1276
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: squeals he would make. Uh, they use all of that.

1277
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 3: It creates new music. When you take you just take

1278
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: something and you put it into something else, you know,

1279
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: like uh, pastime Paradise, Oh gosh, I can't think of

1280
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 3: the rapper's name right now, but came from those Stevie

1281
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: Wonders song ah, if that makes any sense.

1282
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm saying that the music that the genre

1283
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: changes though, because once we were you know, jazz was

1284
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: the fad, and then we go through different So so

1285
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: what what what? My question is what what what starts

1286
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: the change? And how because you can be one record,

1287
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: can be one artist, but how does you know that's

1288
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: going to catch on all of a sudden somebody try

1289
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: to rap and now we're into rapp or a hip

1290
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: hop and branch a different. So what started the different?

1291
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: What made the change? I guess That's what I'm going

1292
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: where I'm going my.

1293
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: Question, Yeah, what made the change? Is somebody hearing something,

1294
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: somebody growing up on Billie Holiday or Duke Ellington or

1295
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 3: Fat Swaller and then making their own music where you'll

1296
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 3: hear an influence from somebody, but they're they're younger. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like almost every generation, you know, you'll have a

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Speaker 3: parent and a child and the child is making fun

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Speaker 3: of the parents music said. You listen to that, really,

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 3: you know, but that's how it changes. It's it's not

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Speaker 3: anything anyone says, it's down, I'm going to change this.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: You think about Prince in his early music like Trinch

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 3: for You and the album the self titled album that

1305
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Speaker 3: had I Want to Be Your Lover on it. You know, well,

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Speaker 3: Prince is a product of Larry Graham and James Brown

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 3: and and even Pop Staples, Guitar South. He's incorporated all

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01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: of that. But you wouldn't listened to it and say

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 3: I hear Pop Staples or I hear Larry Graham. You

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Speaker 3: don't know that till he tells you those are my influences.

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Speaker 1: So that begs a question, then what's gonna what if

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Speaker 1: can you anticipate what's the next genre of music just

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Speaker 1: coming after this hip hop and rap? It as a

1314
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: situation has passed or is it we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be stuck here for some time.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's think it.

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Speaker 3: Everything just keeps evolving, you know, you just never know

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Speaker 3: what people will come up with.

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Speaker 7: I mean, what we have now.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have anticipated five years ago.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 3: I listened just yesterday just because it was Super Bowl weekend,

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Speaker 3: and I went back and listened to Kendrick Lamar's Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl performance and I heard a song by Little Beaver. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean it was Pika Boo and it sampled a

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Speaker 3: song by Little Beaver, who was, you know, basically an

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Speaker 3: R and B artist from the sixties seventies. But Hendrick

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Speaker 3: built this song around this and it's very creative. I

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: liked it. You know, I would have never thought of

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Speaker 3: putting that together. And that's how things would just keep changing.

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Speaker 1: So it's generous. Can can you name so in the

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Speaker 1: sixties did those artists did they pull from artists before

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Speaker 1: them as well?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I just recently heard an interview where Smokey

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Speaker 3: Robinson was talking about the ink spots and the groups,

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Speaker 3: the vocal groups he heard growing up in Detroit who

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Speaker 3: were basically his parents' age, you know, which would have

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: been the ink Spots, the Mills Brothers. You know, I

1340
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:29,480
Speaker 3: remember growing up and having granduncles and aunts who talked

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 3: lovingly about the Mills Brothers and the ink Spots and

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Speaker 3: the Platters. The platters a little later, but it's sort

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: of the same thing. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. You know, everybody,

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: whether they want to mit it or not, has been

1345
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: influenced by what they heard, and they just take what

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: they liked from what they heard and they create something new.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, we've often heard this stories about how

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Speaker 3: Elvis used to sit in the back of black churches

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Speaker 3: in Memphis and just be the only white person there.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen pictures of this. You know, he was

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01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 3: just this white kid, and I guess people thought it

1352
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: was interesting that he was here, so they snapped a picture.

1353
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: But he was heavily influenced by the Black Church, the

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01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: early R and B, by people like Rufus Thomas and

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Speaker 3: BB King. Wow, I'm sure you play and I kept on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Bill, what are we listening to while we

1357
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: go check the news?

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Speaker 3: That that's Brian Andrew Wilson's new song. I kept on,

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01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: which is sort of a southern blues, southern soul.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to come back, tell us what

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Speaker 1: his southern soul is just new It is just a

1362
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: whole soul coming back. Twenty four minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of our family can step aside and get caught

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01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: up with the news, trafficking, weather and iff in cities.

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Speaker 1: We're back with Bill Carmenter talking about black music. What

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: is black for Black History Month? What did what was

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01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: the role of black music in our history? What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six. Speak to Bill, take a calls next and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family. Sixteen minutes away from the top. They

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Speaker 1: are with our guest. There is amusic historian for this program.

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Speaker 1: Bill Carpenter is his name. Had a question about our music.

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01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: We're discussing the influence of our music and our history

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01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: as this is Black History Month. You can reach Bill

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to him, though, let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you later this morning we're gonna speak with Grio

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01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: and Quonzo creator doctor Milana Karenga, and tomorrow morning is

1379
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: going to be Friday. Of course, give you a chance

1380
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: to free your minding that means thing for yourself and

1381
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: reach us for our open for and Friday program. We

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: again promptly at six am Eastern time right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also in the DMV,

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Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty WOL. I gotta, you know, explain

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: that's the Washington DC metropolitan are you know? We just

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: think we just started people in Washington, DC area. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows what the DMV means. People that what's DMV the

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01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: Motor Vehicles Department anyway, that's what they reference it too.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I got to explain that I arened

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty three in that neighborhood. But Bill, who was

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Speaker 1: that we just heard before? You tell U that was said?

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Speaker 3: That was the late grade Sharon Jones and the DAP

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Speaker 3: Kings and Sharon Jones. She passed away maybe about ten

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Speaker 3: years ago. She had worked, i mean, sung all of

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01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 3: her life. It wasn't until she was in her forties

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Speaker 3: and she met up with Well, first of all, let's

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: go back to this. Think about nineteen sixties music. Then

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 3: you think about the seventies when the disco movement and

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01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 3: rock and all that stuff came in and all those

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: sixty artists. Nineteen sixties artists, including the motown artists, were

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Speaker 3: out of work because they weren't doing disco music, they

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01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: weren't doing dance music, they weren't doing shunk music. And

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01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 3: then you fast forward to the Earth only two thousands,

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01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 3: and there became this this renaissance where people went back

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01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: and started creating music that sounded like the sixties. And

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 3: that's what Sharon Jones came out of. They call it

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01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 3: retro soul, Southern soul. And so here was a woman

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: who grew up hearing the original motown and stacks and

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 3: high records of the sixties and seventies early seventies, and

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Speaker 3: and got with a group of white guys who recreated

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Speaker 3: the same sound and gave her this incredible career. She died,

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Speaker 3: unfortunately of pancreatic cancer at the age of sixty about

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. But that's you asked earlier about the evolution

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 3: of how the music keeps changing. This that was a

1415
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 3: way of going back to their roots, so to speak.

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01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 3: This is the real music, and the critics loved it.

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 3: Amy wine House, a British singer, young white British singer,

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: had the same love for that sixties music, but did

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 3: it in a way that you knew. It wasn't created

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01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: in the sixties, but it had that sixties slaver. And

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 3: so now we have this Southern soul movement. And so

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01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: funny because I remember had to be thirty years ago

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: reading Living Blues magazine when I was still in my

1424
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Speaker 3: early twenties, and I was reading this story about Johnny Taylor.

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01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 3: He had a new record out. It was probably that

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Speaker 3: when we played earlier, Last two Dollars, and they were

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01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 3: calling him a blues artist, and he hated that because

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01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: he sort of a blues artist as like Albert King

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01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 3: or BB King. He said, that's not me. I'm a

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01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 3: contemporary artist. I'm an R and B artist. When he

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: first came out, he was called an R and B

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: artist who's making love. I believe in you, you believe

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01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: in me? Disco lady, Oh, that's R and B. Now

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm a blues artist. So this is what was happening

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01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 3: to artists in the eighties who were once R and

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01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 3: B artists. Now they would be called being called blues artists. Denise,

1437
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 3: what's up? No one ever called her a blues artist

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: until the eighties, you know, because we want to categorize

1439
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 3: everything and so that you figure these older artists, they're

1440
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 3: not appealing to youth, So we can't call that R

1441
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: and B an these anymore. So we're gonna call that blues.

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 7: Well.

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: Now, fast forward to now young artists like King uh King,

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01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 3: Floyd King George, a young guy named EJ from Memphis

1445
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 3: has this big song right now called gas Station Love

1446
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: or something like that. It's but it sounds like we're

1447
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: Bobbie Blue Bland and uh Tyrone Davis Johnny Taylor were

1448
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: doing in the eighties and nineties, but you can tell

1449
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't because the production is a little different. But

1450
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 3: it sounds a lot like that Malaco sound, which is

1451
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 3: basically a Mississippi southern soul sound.

1452
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that's just that's Southern soul, that.

1453
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 3: Southern that Southern soul. But it sounds like old school.

1454
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 3: So but they're calling it Southern soul.

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01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 7: To me, you know.

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01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: And that's a young guys probably about twenty years old,

1457
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: and uh but he that record is very hot right now.

1458
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 3: And it's just amazing how people just keep changing the

1459
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 3: name for what is the same thing and acting like

1460
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 3: it's new. But throughout the South this is. It's incredible.

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01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 3: It's like a whole underground of young people going to

1462
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 3: see this music. These same young people would not go

1463
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 3: to see a revival show of Eddie Floyd throwing knock

1464
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 3: on wood or I'm trying to think of older R

1465
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 3: and B artists we still have with us who still perform,

1466
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 3: you know, like Martha Reeves and the Van Della's or

1467
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: whoever it is. They wouldn't go see them, but they'll

1468
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 3: go see these people. I don't want to say they're mimicking.

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 3: They're not mimicking. They're truly are centic artists. But it

1470
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: is the same thing, but we keep changing the name

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Speaker 3: and acting like it's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hold, I thought right there. Nine away from the

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Speaker 1: top of Cliff in Connecticut has a question for you, Bill.

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Speaker 1: He's online one grand Rising. Cliff. Your question for Bill compenter.

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Speaker 16: The Grandmarthers and brother Kevin and brother Carl and to

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01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 16: your guests, Brother Bill grand Rising, Well, my question is

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01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 16: do you think that the executive producers and the owners

1478
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 16: of these companies have any influence on what's being I

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01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 16: mean spew it out there for example, to take raps.

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01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 16: So in other words, we had a guest from public.

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Speaker 17: Enemy, and he was basically saying how the music is influenced,

1482
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 17: but yet the Jewish producers wouldn't take the lyrics because

1483
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 17: so much they don't reflect which really happened in the community.

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01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 17: So I guess the point I'm making is that these

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01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 17: owners are persuading these artists to say certain things that

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01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 17: normally wouldn't be beneficial or helpful to us. So is

1487
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 17: that a fair assessment in terms of who really influencing

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01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 17: some of these rappers.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. At the bottom, at the end

1490
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: of the day, these are grown people and they're making money,

1491
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,839
Speaker 3: and that's what they're looking at.

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01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 15: This.

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Speaker 3: I've heard rappers defend using the N word, calling women

1494
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 3: bitches and all that stuff, and they said, that's how

1495
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 3: people talk on the street. I'm not saying there aren't

1496
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 3: executives black and white who have said we want.

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Speaker 7: More of this.

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01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: They mean more of what's working, not necessarily because it's

1499
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: saying these things, but because it's working because people respond

1500
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 3: to it and embrace it. But at the end of

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01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 3: the day, some of these artists don't want to take

1502
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 3: the N word out of their song. I mean, I

1503
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 3: don't know if you could even listen to Drake if

1504
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 3: there was no inn word. He uses it all the time,

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01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 3: and I think, you know there's people like you know,

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01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 3: Knaves uses it much less, if at all. They can't

1507
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 3: think of any song right off that he in common.

1508
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: They are more poets, I would say, nads in common

1509
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 3: when it comes to rap. But you know, also a

1510
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 3: little older than what's you know, really moving in hip

1511
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 3: hop right now. But you don't have to take those

1512
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 3: words out, but you don't have to use them like

1513
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 3: you do use them. You know, like if you're telling

1514
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 3: a story, you're telling a story. But this you have

1515
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: to find a way to be more creative, I think,

1516
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 3: and expand your listener's viewpoint. I think that's what's so

1517
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 3: great about Stevie Wonder songs in the Key of Life,

1518
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 3: fulfilling this first Finale talking book. Those albums went so

1519
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 3: far beyond regular R and B, pop, R and B,

1520
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 3: whatever you want to label it. At the poetry of

1521
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 3: his lyrics all in love is fair, even the words

1522
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 3: to sir Duke, you know, looking back on when I

1523
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 3: was just a little nappy headed boy, all those the

1524
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 3: imagery is so incredible in those lyrics that I think

1525
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 3: the rappers are dumbing down their audience by not expanding,

1526
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 3: and that's them. They deliver to these power brokers, this

1527
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 3: is what we created. How can you promote it? That's

1528
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 3: it's a money thing. If they think people want dumb lyrics,

1529
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 3: they give them to them. But then you have somebody

1530
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 3: staff out and do something different and it works, and

1531
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 3: then they run after that. They're going to run after

1532
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 3: whatever works financially because that's how they stay in business.

1533
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Steve's doing a thing for the Key of Life.

1534
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: I think it's thirty or forty year anniversary because that

1535
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: was his magnum opus, if you will, songs in the

1536
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Key of Life. But here five away from the top

1537
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: of I got a two question for you. Bill Tweeter says,

1538
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: can your guess speak on the radio and record companies

1539
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: played in getting local artists on a national level, and

1540
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,759
Speaker 1: what role these record companies played in determining which songs

1541
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: would get promoted.

1542
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 3: Well, radio has been important to music, especially R and

1543
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 3: B music, from the beginning, but I'm not so sure

1544
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 3: that it always helped local artists. There are stories about,

1545
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 3: for example, if you think about Oh Happy Day by

1546
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 3: the Edwin Hawkins Singers in nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty

1547
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 3: nine was just a little local record. It fell into

1548
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: the hands of a DJ at a rock station in

1549
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 3: San Francisco who played it and got great audience response.

1550
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 3: So he kept playing it because it got the audience response.

1551
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 3: Because back to the and you could call a station

1552
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 3: and say I like that record right now, it's very

1553
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 3: hard to reach radio stations, and so that led to

1554
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 3: Buddha Records, which was Neil Bogart picking it up and

1555
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 3: taking it national. So that's an example of a local

1556
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: record taking off. But that usually what makes a local

1557
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 3: record go big is someone gets a deal and pushes it.

1558
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: I think about in the early days of Motown. Some

1559
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: of those early records like Marv Johnson and maybe the

1560
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 3: Miracles were licensed through Chess Records and other distributors until

1561
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 3: Barry Gordy had enough juice to start distributing himself and

1562
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: get those records out. But it's really about promotion.

1563
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Excited yeah, hold, I thought, then we got to step

1564
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: aside and check the traffic and weather in our different cities.

1565
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: Three minutes away from the top down, tell us who's

1566
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: this song are we hearing listening to? Now?

1567
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 3: That's Kardy Stton and William Bell from her recent Grammy

1568
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,480
Speaker 3: nominated album Back to My Roots.

1569
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: All Right, Grand Rising, thanks for staying with us on

1570
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,440
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning as we continue our Black History Month salute.

1571
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: We have a studio with us. Are on line with us.

1572
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: Bill Carmonday's music historian, Bill, what we were just hearing

1573
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,799
Speaker 1: a moment ago the Kevin just played.

1574
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 3: It was Sharon Jones and the Dad Kings this song

1575
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 3: how Long, which you know, going back to the you know,

1576
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 3: the beginning of this conversation, that's a song that makes

1577
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 3: me feel good just to hear her great voice and

1578
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: that that retro sound, that retro soul sound.

1579
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: But uh, you know that's a new song.

1580
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 3: How it came out? Ah, that song it's probably fifteen

1581
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 3: fifteen are more years old, but it sounds like a

1582
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: sixties song. But you can tell by the production that

1583
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't the sixties.

1584
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: So you guys, you and Ken, you guys music, you

1585
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: got music, you got ears, you can hear, you know,

1586
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: for the most of us who were just like, if

1587
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: it's if it's fun and we can buy our hands

1588
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: and pad of feet, if we get into groove, we

1589
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: just dig it. You guys, get in the atricities of

1590
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,560
Speaker 1: the of the production of the music. But if we

1591
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: hear a song, we like it, we're just hey, it's cool.

1592
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: You know, we're with it.

1593
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 3: And when that casual listeners and when you listen, when

1594
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 3: when you listen to stuff enough, you hear the distinction,

1595
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 3: you hear the difference. It's like I can hear two

1596
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 3: different versions of a like I can. A lot of

1597
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: Motown artists re recorded their stuff for other labels after

1598
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 3: they left Motown, and and I'll hear something I said, Oh,

1599
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 3: that's not the same version because this is different in

1600
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: the second verse. Or there's a drum solo here where

1601
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 3: it's a drum solo, you know, all that kind of thing.

1602
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Wow, before have the top at let's take some quick

1603
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 1: calls for you because you've got doctor Karnga coming up.

1604
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 1: Bob's in Buffalo, Bob a question for Bill? Can you

1605
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: make it real quick for us? Is Bob downline too?

1606
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, go ahead, Bob.

1607
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 18: Hello, Hello, can you hear me?

1608
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1609
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 18: I get thanks. I give thanks to this program. It

1610
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 18: puts certain themes in my mind and in my heart.

1611
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 18: One is without a Sanctuary is both a book and

1612
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 18: the state with the people in Ghana right now. But

1613
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 18: I heard a thing on this show a few weeks

1614
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 18: ago that music is both a bomb, a soothing bomb

1615
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 18: and a battle cry. So as I hear the brother talk,

1616
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 18: I hear that phrase in my head over and over again.

1617
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 18: Music is a soothing bomb and it's also a battle cry.

1618
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 18: I just wanted to add that, thank you for the

1619
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 18: show because it puts certain themes in mind and in

1620
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 18: my heart and that carry them with me through the day.

1621
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks Bob. That's great. That's that's a good phrase.

1622
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: On the show. That phrase, I know, Bill, But let's

1623
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: think Grandmo called before we go to doctor Krenga. Sarita's

1624
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: calling from La She's online, one Serita, your question for

1625
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Bill Compenter.

1626
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 19: Yes, good morning. I just wanted to know.

1627
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 3: I'll keep it short.

1628
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 19: I wanted to know. Have you ever watched the Dove

1629
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 19: C and CJ Mac podcast. They had this rupper named

1630
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 19: sugar Free. Well, I absolutely do not like I don't

1631
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 19: know if you've ever heard of him, but he literally

1632
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 19: when he's you. Please go and watch and the next

1633
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 19: time you come on, we'll discuss it. But go and

1634
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 19: check that video video out. This this black man who

1635
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 19: was well into his fifties, is bragg about how he

1636
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 19: was a pimp and turns rapper right, and how he

1637
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 19: literally every word that comes out of his mouth is

1638
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 19: the B word and the H word. And I'm looking

1639
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 19: at him and I'm like, oh my god, you I mean.

1640
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 19: And also, if you can sit through it, if you

1641
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 19: can listen to some of the junk that he has

1642
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 19: wrapped about, you know what I'm saying, Because now we're older,

1643
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 19: so it's when it hits our ears a lot different

1644
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 19: than it did when we were younger. But he literally says,

1645
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 19: I mean, just be this and h this, And as

1646
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 19: he's talking to.

1647
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 20: These brothers describing and proudly describing how he was a

1648
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 20: pimp and this, that and the other, and I'm thinking,

1649
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 20: why why are you Why didn't you use your own tool?

1650
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 20: You mean to tell me that your own tool couldn't

1651
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 20: get you the money that you claiming that you had

1652
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 20: through these women.

1653
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 19: But I'll take my comments off there, but please, when

1654
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 19: you get a pimp, do that. And if you have

1655
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 19: any information to get in touch with you, I would

1656
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 19: love to talk with you. Want is there a question

1657
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 19: for me, Carl?

1658
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 15: No.

1659
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask Bill because that's a great what

1660
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: you you mentioned from Los Angeles with Bill back in

1661
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: the day. Do we have any of our artists, our singers,

1662
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, spoke like that or shang lad putting us

1663
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: down like we hear some of these so called rappers today, And.

1664
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 3: You have to look, really, I don't want to say

1665
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 3: there was nobody, but nothing that hit, nothing that was successful.

1666
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 3: You know, that really wasn't until the maybe late eighties

1667
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 3: or early nineties that that kind of language started, because

1668
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 3: even early hip hop wasn't like yet, that's not what

1669
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 3: the early hip hop, the Curtis Blow, the Grand Master Flash,

1670
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 3: it was about positivity or telling what happened, but not

1671
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,839
Speaker 3: using that kind of language. So that's really a product

1672
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 3: of the nineties.

1673
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it could be jarring, like like Sister Serena

1674
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: said it from La It could be jarring to your

1675
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: ear if you're not of that generation. Because I spoken

1676
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: to young people about this, and they don't hear the

1677
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: curse words Bill, They don't hear the end.

1678
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 3: They hear the rhythm, they hear the b and sometimes

1679
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 3: that's what carries the people is the they're just hearing

1680
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,520
Speaker 3: the rhythm.

1681
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: Got you, Bill, We got to run so if folks

1682
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: want to talk to you more about music, how can

1683
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: they reach you? You got an email address or something

1684
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: you want to leave with us?

1685
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's my name. Backwards Carpenter Bill at m

1686
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 3: dot com. One more time, Carpenter Bill at M E

1687
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 3: M E dot com.

1688
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: A right, all right, Bill, thanks for sharing your expertise

1689
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: with us this morning.

1690
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, family, that's.

1691
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: Bill Carmond is a music historian. Give us, you know,

1692
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: just explain it to us the role that music played

1693
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: in our history. Let's now turn our attention to one

1694
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: of our grills, the founder of the Creative quansa creator,

1695
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: Doctor Milana Karenga, Grand Rising, Doctor Karenga. Welcome back to

1696
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: the program, doctor Krenga. There on Life five. Kevin not

1697
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: hearing doctor kreng all right, can you hear me?

1698
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 15: Oh?

1699
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: I can hear you now, Doctor kreng It's hard.

1700
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 9: I can hardly hear you. That's the issue.

1701
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Kevin, can you can you turn up ten

1702
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 1: opress sound?

1703
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 9: But now you better?

1704
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me just share this with the

1705
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: family because because you know, doctor krengkay that most of

1706
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the folks just know that you created quansah, but you're

1707
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 1: more than that. I guess what I can see you are.

1708
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: The retired now Professor and Chair of Department of African

1709
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: Studies at cal State Long Beach. Is also chair of

1710
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: US and the National Association of Kawaita Organizations. Also the

1711
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 1: executive director of the African American Culture Center and Kawaita

1712
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: Institute of Pan African Studies. Doctor Karenga is also the

1713
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: co chair of the Black Community Clergy and Labor Alliance.

1714
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: It's also the author of numerous scholarly articles and books,

1715
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: including Kawaiida Questions and Struggle, Maat The Moral Ideal in

1716
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Ancient Egypt, A Study in Classical African Ethics, Selections from

1717
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: the Whosia, The Sacred Wisdom of Ancient Egypt, Introduction to

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Speaker 1: Black Studies, fourth Edition, and Udi Yeah Ethical Teachings. Doctor

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Speaker 1: kureng is also the creator of the Pan African culture

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Speaker 1: holiday Kwanza and the Nguzu Saba the Semel Principles, and

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Speaker 1: the author of the authoritative text of this title, Kwanza,

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Speaker 1: a Celebration of Family, Community and Culture. Doctor Kurenga is

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Speaker 1: the subject of a book by doctor Malefia Sante title

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Speaker 1: Malana Kurenga and Intellectual Portrait and currently writing a book

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Speaker 1: on the liberation ethics of Malcolm X's critical Consciousness, Moral

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Speaker 1: Grounding and transformative Struggle. By the Way, Doctor Kurenga also

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Speaker 1: wrote the manifesto for the Million Man March, but for

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Speaker 1: Minister Farakhan. So doctor Karenga, welcome back again. You know

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Speaker 1: it's Black History Month. This is the one hundredth celebration,

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Speaker 1: the centennial of Black History Month. And we talked about music.

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Speaker 1: We ran the conversation about music and how much if

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Speaker 1: you heard well your thoughts did music play a role

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Speaker 1: in our salvation? Going through this the history and again

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Speaker 1: our history. Some people think it starts when we hit

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Speaker 1: these shores, but I used to go through all the

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Speaker 1: way back before we got here. Can you address those

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Speaker 1: issues for us?

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Speaker 9: Yes, so listen all. Let me again say thanks you

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Speaker 9: car for this outreach and invitation to come in share

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Speaker 9: with you and your audience and thoughts on what is

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Speaker 9: important to all of us, how we move forward in

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Speaker 9: this world, and we move forward in this world as

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Speaker 9: a world historical people, we move forward in this world

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Speaker 9: as the mothers and fathers of humanity and human civilization.

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Speaker 9: We moved to this world as the sons and daughters

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Speaker 9: of the holocaust of enslavement, and we moved to this

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Speaker 9: world as the authors and the airs of that turning

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Speaker 9: point of history called the reaffirmation of the Sixties, the

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Speaker 9: reaffirmation of our Africans back to black and the reaffirmation

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Speaker 9: of our radical social justice, freedom liberations struggle period. And

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Speaker 9: so I think it's very important for us to understand that.

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Speaker 9: And if we understand that, then we can put other

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Speaker 9: things in place. I'll begin with the music, because I

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Speaker 9: want I want to talk about the music, but I

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Speaker 9: want to just start and just recognize the period where

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Speaker 9: we end. This marking of this month is the marking

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Speaker 9: of a century since the founding of the Black History

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Speaker 9: Month by doctor Carter G. Woodson on February seventh, nineteen

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Speaker 9: twenty six. And so I wrote an article this week

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Speaker 9: called Centering the Sacred Narrative of Our History Centenary Reflections

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Speaker 9: and Walking with Dr Woodson, And what I wanted to

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Speaker 9: know is that this centennial celebration comes at a critical

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Speaker 9: juncture in our history, the history of this country and

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Speaker 9: indeed the history of the world, and it's a time

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Speaker 9: of terrible turning in which our history is not only

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Speaker 9: questioned and subject to denial, distortion and attempts at erasure,

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Speaker 9: but we ourselves are subjected to increased levels of surveillance, scrutiny,

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Speaker 9: and suppression of various kinds. This is also a time,

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Speaker 9: as you know, when security of persons and whole peoples

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Speaker 9: is threatened, when democracy is openly mocked and manipulated, and

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Speaker 9: lying is an established in lying is established as an

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Speaker 9: official way of life. More Over, free speechs and a

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Speaker 9: sibling and righteous resistance of criminal life, and subject to

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Speaker 9: unjust finishes in court and on campus, and to unconscionable

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Speaker 9: killings in broad daylight. In this and there is this

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Speaker 9: morality problem in the country and in the world, where

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Speaker 9: you can have a morally monstrous reality of genocide live

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Speaker 9: streams documented and denied at the same time by the

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Speaker 9: genocidists who committed times like these demands and deserve the

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Speaker 9: best of our sensibilities thought in practice, and these Doctor

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Speaker 9: Cartage Wishon tells us and teaches us must always be

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Speaker 9: rooted in a strong grasp of history. But whatever is

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Speaker 9: unfolding in front of us has its origin in the past.

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Speaker 9: And we're now, you know, widening our way to and

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Speaker 9: working our way through the struggle against the resurgence and

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Speaker 9: further developments of racist and imperless negatives and auras of

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Speaker 9: a history that US society never wanted to come to,

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Speaker 9: turn to it, or even admit. And in our moments

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Speaker 9: of possible doubt, emerging despair, and deciding which way forward,

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Speaker 9: a review of our past offers us models and mirrors

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Speaker 9: of life and struggle, and it reminds us of the

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Speaker 9: teachings of our honored ancestors who told us we must

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Speaker 9: value ourselves. And I think when you talk about the music,

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Speaker 9: and we're gonna speak to it in a minute, when

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Speaker 9: we talk about the music, it's valuing ourselves, not just

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Speaker 9: the people who make the music, but us as a

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Speaker 9: people who make the music, not the individual people. And

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Speaker 9: if we keep in touch with our people, we won't

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Speaker 9: sing songs to their degradition. We'll see that black music

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Speaker 9: is a magic that lifts us up. Black music is

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Speaker 9: a teaching of us to reaffirm the beauty in ourselves,

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Speaker 9: to reaffirm the sacredness of ourselves, to reaffirm the resilience

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Speaker 9: and resourcefulness of ourselves right and know that regardless of

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Speaker 9: the times that we're going through, we're going to make it.

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Speaker 9: Not just the change is, but we're going to be

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Speaker 9: part of that change. And we're gonna make that change.

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Speaker 9: And that means, as I always say, remembering at least

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Speaker 9: three the three fundamental teachings of our ancestors. Nana Herod

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Speaker 9: Howard Thurmann says to us, we are people that ride

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Speaker 9: the storm and remain intact. Nana Brookes Gwynn Brook says

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Speaker 9: to us, we are people that conduct are very blooming

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Speaker 9: in the noise and whip for the whirl. Win and

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Speaker 9: Nana Nanny Barrs says to us and teaches us that

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Speaker 9: we are a people that specialize in the holy impossible.

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Speaker 9: And so yes, the music is very important to us.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold that thought right there. Doctor Krenga, hear

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Speaker 1: the music. We got to step aside for a few moments.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you pick it up when we get back. Family,

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Speaker 1: got a couple of friends, just call him up and

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Speaker 1: sell them the doctor. Malana Krengs on the radio, you

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Speaker 1: can learn something this morning. We discuss black history. This

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Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary of Black History Month. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight, and we take a phone

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Speaker 1: calls when we get back and grind rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday mornings, we can

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Speaker 1: reflect on our history Black History Month, the one hundredth

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Speaker 1: anniversary of Black History Month. I guess is one of

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Speaker 1: our one of our grill's, one of our top scholars,

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Speaker 1: doctor Milana Karrenga. So, doctor Kranka, I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 1: finish your thought.

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Speaker 9: Yes. So I was saying that I thought it would

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Speaker 9: thank you so much for that. I was saying that

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Speaker 9: I thought it was important for us to just set

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Speaker 9: the context for what we're talking and so we celebrate

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Speaker 9: ourselves this uh, this this month in a very special way.

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Speaker 9: We focus on ourselves and when we talk about any

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Speaker 9: part of our lives, like we're getting ready to talk

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Speaker 9: about our music, I just want to know that the

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Speaker 9: celebration of our music is a celebration of ourselves.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 9: And I think it's important to note that when we

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Speaker 9: talk about the beauty, the music, the magic and miracle

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01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 9: of ourselves, we're talking about our blackness, right And I'm

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Speaker 9: using the sending them blackness for africanness, and that's so

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Speaker 9: important for us, so we don't talk about music and

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Speaker 9: the abstract and find ourselves talking about white people having

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Speaker 9: soul or something that soul is for us. But I

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Speaker 9: want to get to that in a minute. But I

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Speaker 9: just want to say that the first thing I think

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Speaker 9: when we hear music is it's a blackness. That we

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Speaker 9: are special people doesn't mean we're over anybody. We believe

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Speaker 9: that every people is a unique and equally valid and

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Speaker 9: valuable way of being human in the world, and that

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Speaker 9: we ourselves as Africans are unique and equally valid and

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Speaker 9: valuable way of being human in the world. So when

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Speaker 9: I say this, I just wanted to preface that for

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Speaker 9: someone think, well, you know, I'm putting ourselves over No, no,

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Speaker 9: we're not doing that, but I'm certainly focusing on ourselves.

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Speaker 9: I have the right and responsibility to speak our own

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Speaker 9: special culture truth right and to make our own unique

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Speaker 9: contributions to how we conceive of and reconstruct reality in

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Speaker 9: a most human and digniture firm and life in hurt

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Speaker 9: enhancing and work preserving way. So black is a colloquial

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Speaker 9: term for the color culture consciousness that speaks to our

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Speaker 9: being African in the world and being African is actively

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Speaker 9: appreciating and honoring our unique and equally valid and valuable

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Speaker 9: way of being human in the world. And as I've

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Speaker 9: said before, it is a self defining and particular culture.

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Speaker 9: Way we live our lives, open up ourselves to love,

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Speaker 9: the way we dance and do music, practice our faith traditions,

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Speaker 9: chaise and challenge our children, fiercely fight for freedom, constantly

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Speaker 9: seek justice, delight in doing good and walking gently in feasts,

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Speaker 9: but with dignified defiance in the practice of resistance. For

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Speaker 9: Blackness is not only in the identity, but also a

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01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 9: duty defined by that identity. And that's why when we

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01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 9: talk about how our music should be, we should always

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Speaker 9: remember there's a duty to do it in the dignity firming, life,

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Speaker 9: hancent and work preserving way. So blackness, I repeat it

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Speaker 9: is not only an identity but also a duty defined

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Speaker 9: by their identity. Indeed, we are sold people, and that's

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Speaker 9: what I want to talk about when I talk about music.

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01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 9: We got to talk about soul with soul people. And

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Speaker 9: when I talk about a soul people in radically evil

1885
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 9: oppression and righteous and relentness of resistance to end it.

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01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 9: Our identity then is also when born in struggle, right,

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Speaker 9: and our music is going to reflect that our dignity

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Speaker 9: is booked up. Pardon me. Our identity is born in struggle,

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Speaker 9: a dignity of firming, life enhancing. We're preserving liber racist struggle.

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01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 9: And therefore in the nineteen sixties, you know of which

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01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 9: I'm a child. And also also there is the we

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01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 9: raise up the reaffirmation of the beauty of our humanity

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Speaker 9: and our Africans when we said black is beautiful, and

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Speaker 9: I'm Black and I'm proud, and we definally put forth

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Speaker 9: the prophecy and pursued the promise in factice of freedom

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01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 9: with the battle cry liberation is coming from a black thing,

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Speaker 9: and that beautiful music is coming from a black thing.

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Speaker 9: At the heart and center of the music, magic and

1899
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 9: miracle of our blackness is this rich and generitive notion

1900
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Speaker 9: and reality of soul. I can't say this enough soul.

1901
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 9: When we talk about that, and when I talk about soul,

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01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 9: I use it in at least five basic ways. First

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01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 9: as a spiritual concept, right, then we'll get to our

1904
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 9: spiritual music in there and the seconds of defining black character, trait,

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01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:34,480
Speaker 9: and spirit, and we use it as a category culture, distinctiveness,

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01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 9: we use it as an expression of beauty and doubtfulness

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01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 9: of being and becoming, and we also talk about it

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01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 9: as a measure and standard of African excellence. So I

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01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 9: define soul in the sections as an inner essence of

1910
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 9: ourselves defined by three things creativity, sensitivity, and impulse or improvisation.

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Speaker 9: I use impulse, but you know it means also improvisation.

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Speaker 9: And I say that this speaks to our capacity to

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01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 9: conceive and create magic and minka, beauty and meaning in

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01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 9: the midst of ugliness and meaninglessness and oppression. And it

1915
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 9: means we can develop and defend free space in the

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Speaker 9: midst of unfreedom. Because inside us there is this thing

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Speaker 9: called soul, which speaks also towards the depth of our feeling,

1918
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Speaker 9: our capacity to be sensitive to each other and to others,

1919
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Speaker 9: to beauty and good but also we're sensitive to humans

1920
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Speaker 9: suffering and the will to end it. And the notion

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Speaker 9: of soul speaks also to a creative and sensitive impulse

1922
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 9: called improvisation. And I want to keep the word impulse though,

1923
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Speaker 9: which suggests a spontaneous urge and natural implication to act

1924
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 9: and beautiful, creative sensitive ways and art and love and

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Speaker 9: life in general. And so I want to say that

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Speaker 9: soul is an internal creative capacity, a centering and sustaining

1927
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 9: spirit and inner strap that undergirds our resilience, our resourcefulness,

1928
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 9: our adaptive vitality, our hearing, durability in the face of

1929
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 9: the most radical evil injustice and oppressions, and music becomes

1930
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 9: one way we do that, speaking to ourselves, speaking love,

1931
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 9: speaking work, thaking struggle, speaking hope, speaking aspiration, looking back

1932
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 9: after all these census and wonder how we got over?

1933
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:30,400
Speaker 9: My soul looks back, we say, and wonder how we'll

1934
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 9: got over. And our national anthem, you know, lift every

1935
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 9: voice and sing their earth and heaven ring ring with

1936
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:41,759
Speaker 9: the harmony of liberty. Liberty is another word for freedom.

1937
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 9: Let it ring for freedom. And we talk about how

1938
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 9: stony the road we try, you know, how we had

1939
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 9: to walk through war, talk true blood, and yet here

1940
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:55,799
Speaker 9: we are. Here we are and spite as doctor Cartagey

1941
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 9: Woodson said, in spite of the doomday prophets who said

1942
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 9: we would be exterminated, we not only survived, we prevailed right.

1943
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 9: And we he said, enrolled ourselves in the midst of

1944
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 9: the most noble people in the world. Right, And that

1945
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 9: we ourselves are noble people, and we must always remember that.

1946
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 9: And so we say we sing. And doctor Dubois said,

1947
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,919
Speaker 9: we sing even in the midst of the holocaust of enslavement.

1948
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 9: What did we do. We refused to be defeated, We

1949
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:31,680
Speaker 9: refused to be dispirited. And he said, we sang to sunshine.

1950
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 9: And I said that we not only sang to sunshine,

1951
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 9: we became the sunshine. We lifted up the light that lasts,

1952
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 9: as our sacred texts tell us right. And we sang

1953
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 9: strong and that song that sing and strengthen us in

1954
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 9: the fields and in the forest, and on the river boat,

1955
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 9: and in our houses and in our churches, in our

1956
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,719
Speaker 9: and in the small places where we kept our African

1957
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 9: original religions, pray in the name of our original God,

1958
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 9: the original name. I'm sorry of God, who is, who is,

1959
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:10,799
Speaker 9: regardless what name we gave too, in the original language,

1960
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 9: we'll speaking to God. And so through more beautiful time,

1961
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 9: beautiful things that we've done, and music grounded us in

1962
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 9: that people would be hurting, and you know, very very sad.

1963
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 9: Somebody would start humming, right, and they would turn the

1964
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 9: hum into a song, and the song would turn into

1965
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 9: a shout, and the shout would turn into a quest

1966
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:36,800
Speaker 9: for immortality and for freedom. And that's the beauty of us.

1967
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 9: And I don't want us to reduce it to calling

1968
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 9: each other names and talking about genitals and stuff. Right hey,

1969
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 9: you know in street life, lump in life.

1970
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, there it is.

1971
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 9: I mean we have to deal with it. I mean,

1972
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 9: there are different ways of doing music, but I'm talking

1973
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 9: about the best of what it means to be African

1974
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 9: and human. And I like that and so I treasured that.

1975
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 9: And I speak of centering ourself in this soulfulness, this

1976
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 9: expressive beauty and meaning, and it's a moving beauty. But

1977
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 9: I'll stop damn taste. You know, there's some of these

1978
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 9: things that people would like.

1979
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: Right Well, I got a question for you, doctor Krank,

1980
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 1: because you're a Cawstate lung beast for quite some time.

1981
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: Fam you Florida and M University in Tallahassee. That's where

1982
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 1: the main campus is, where they have a law school

1983
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: in Orlando, and.

1984
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 9: You're going there again.

1985
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin, if you're gonna yeah, Kevin, see if we're

1986
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: gonna push it up for a biggest so we can hear.

1987
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I want to get this comment on this anyway for

1988
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: black History Month, the law school put out a fly

1989
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: for an event, and you know, all these fliers have

1990
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 1: to be there if we okayed by the school. And

1991
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: and they were under the belief that they could not

1992
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: use the word black in Black History Month because because

1993
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: of all the DEI and because you know it's run

1994
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: by the state of State of Florida. And and that

1995
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 1: causes quite a storm in in northern Florida, in Tallahassee,

1996
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 1: because the president of the family was was was appointed

1997
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 1: by the governor, the current governor of California, so Florida,

1998
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: pardon me, So you know, it caused quite a storm

1999
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 1: if if a black university cannot use the word black

2000
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: because of d I. And she was saying that they

2001
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: that they the people at the law school misinterpreted with

2002
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: you know what d I is. Of course they can

2003
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 1: use black, but it does cause a storm because of

2004
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: there's the these are lost to school students, and they

2005
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 1: were interpreted to the letter of the law what the

2006
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 1: Florida state statue said about not using d I. So

2007
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 1: they could they they did not lease the word black

2008
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 1: in a Black History Month. Uh, a flyer, I want

2009
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 1: you to address that for a minute.

2010
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, appreciate what is said, saying correctly, Uh, you

2011
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 9: rightly said. This comes from uh, the kind of movement

2012
01:56:56,760 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 9: that's put in the country, you know, especially spurred by Trump,

2013
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 9: who is the leader of it. But of course this

2014
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 9: is a reflection of racism as endemic, you know, in

2015
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 9: the very heart of American history, and in that racism

2016
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 9: has always been the need to erase us, both physically

2017
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 9: and psychologically, to erase our history, to cause historical amnesia

2018
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 9: in us, to erase our memory of ourselves, to erase

2019
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 9: the memory of our freedom, so that we will adjust

2020
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 9: and become objects of labor, objects of set, and objects

2021
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 9: of entertainment. Right. That has been at the heart of this.

2022
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 9: They want a body to use, right for labor, for sex,

2023
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 9: for entertainment. But they don't want the mind and the heart.

2024
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 9: They don't want all of that right, and they don't

2025
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 9: want us to ever challenge them. And they're always because

2026
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 9: they have all conceptions of themselves. They have to stand

2027
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 9: on our head in order to have heights. You never

2028
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 9: get used to. I was at a Black History commumoration

2029
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 9: celebration last night, let you, and I was saying to

2030
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 9: the people, and I said to you also called before

2031
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 9: we'll never get used to people who hate and hurt us,

2032
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 9: even though we've never done anything to them. And they

2033
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 9: are constantly threatened by black people, even though they say

2034
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 9: were the lawyers. Yet they imitate us, right. They try

2035
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 9: to steal our history. They call our black freedom movement

2036
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 9: the civil rights movement, so they can be in it right,

2037
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 9: And they want to erase our history because our history

2038
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,920
Speaker 9: is a critique of them and a reaffirmation of us.

2039
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 9: And what we have to do is see that this

2040
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:54,800
Speaker 9: racism is insane too. Here you are telling the black

2041
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 9: people you can't have black and black history. Mind who

2042
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 9: could say something like that? Somebody got insane with racism, right.

2043
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 9: There's so many insane things that racists do that are contradiction.

2044
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 9: For example, non In Frederick Devils called attention to the

2045
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 9: insanity of saying that black people aren't human and yet

2046
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 9: making laws for them that dogs and birds and other

2047
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 9: animals can't read and couldn't be less concerned about. If

2048
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 9: we're not a human, that's no need to make a

2049
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 9: law against us doing something. Right, So it just seems

2050
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 9: to me, and he lifts a lot of others that

2051
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 9: do what man said we can't do and yet at

2052
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 9: the same time we're supposed to be so animalized and

2053
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 9: so much like him, we can't even understand it against

2054
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 9: what he even out law our reading and writing, you

2055
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 9: don't have to outlaw animal reading and writing. So this

2056
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 9: is part of that. To tell this story to the

2057
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 9: Black college and university, you kids say black even though

2058
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 9: you are black. Now I'm gonna show you how sick

2059
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,720
Speaker 9: it is. Not only is it racist in terms of insane,

2060
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 9: it's contradictory, and it also shows preference of white You

2061
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 9: don't even have that conversation with Jews, with Armenians, with

2062
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 9: Polish people, with Italians, right, with Poles, with with with Jah, but.

2063
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,440
Speaker 21: We're gonna have it with black people. You don't even

2064
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 21: do it with other people, not.

2065
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 9: Even other people of color. With black people you come

2066
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 9: in to do that. That shows the power of black

2067
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,520
Speaker 9: people and they need to recognize that and they need

2068
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 9: to stop trying to escape. That's why I started out

2069
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 9: when we talk about our music, it's African music matter.

2070
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 9: People can have all these things and give white people

2071
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 9: awards and all that. Hey, you know they got a

2072
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,640
Speaker 9: never was they got their own music, you know, And

2073
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 9: I'm not putting their music damn right, I'm not gonna

2074
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 9: do that. What I want to do, though, is for

2075
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:00,320
Speaker 9: black people to reaffirm the beauty of themselves. Was the

2076
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 9: meaningfulness of it, the special message it has for us

2077
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 9: and the world, never just for the world, always for

2078
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 9: us first, and then the world listen and say yes,

2079
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 9: I can resonate with that. And so it was first

2080
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 9: insane racism and sickness, and thirty was attempted race. And

2081
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:22,480
Speaker 9: then of course what turned it around, and I want

2082
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 9: to end with this is the resistance of the students

2083
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 9: and the faculty, and the staff and the community. It's

2084
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:33,240
Speaker 9: always those four major groups that resist. That's how it

2085
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 9: brought black studies into being. That's what we used to

2086
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 9: get ABE fourteen sixty in this uh in the California

2087
02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 9: that made it legally binding to take black studies Native

2088
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:56,040
Speaker 9: Americans kind of Latino Asian American class before you leave college. Right,

2089
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 9: this is a struggle, and the struggle is always those

2090
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 9: four base the groups, the students, the faculty, the staff,

2091
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 9: and the community turned this thing around and made them

2092
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 9: say we made a mistake, right. But what happened is

2093
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 9: that administration was on edge. They didn't want to lose

2094
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 9: the money, and this is the way it is here

2095
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 9: in California. People making adjustments. The white man said he

2096
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 9: don't want any more THEI well he should dismiss himself. Right,

2097
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 9: here's the diversity. Became acting different than other humans. Right,

2098
02:02:29,400 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 9: So here's the one that has a negative diversity. His

2099
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 9: whiteness is not the diversity. Isn't it diversity that needs

2100
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 9: to be stopped. It's that diversity from humanity itself. The

2101
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:47,600
Speaker 9: genocidal tendencies, right, the oppression, the segregation, the savage of segregation,

2102
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:52,120
Speaker 9: the holocausts of enslavement, the genocide against the Native American,

2103
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:57,400
Speaker 9: and the continuing racist oppression of people. That has to stop.

2104
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 1: All right there, doctor Karenga, we got to take a

2105
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:03,920
Speaker 1: short break here. It's twenty three minutes away from the

2106
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: top day. Our family. Our guess is doctor Milana Kurenga

2107
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 1: is one of our grails, one of our top scholars.

2108
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,040
Speaker 1: You got a question about black history, our history or

2109
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 1: what we do with it, reach out to us at

2110
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,360
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2111
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:18,920
Speaker 1: and well take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2112
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Thursday morning with

2113
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: our guest doctor Milana Karengo, one of our top scholars.

2114
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: Doctor Kranger, I'll let you finish your thought. That when

2115
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 1: you finish that, please explain to us because this is

2116
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: black history. This says we were talking abound black history.

2117
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Because I've heard one we had one caller actually called

2118
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,040
Speaker 1: him and says, you know, what what can that do

2119
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 1: for us? Knowing all this knowledge about our history. Says

2120
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: that can't get him on the metro, can't get him

2121
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 1: on the subway. He thinks he was, you know, implying

2122
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 1: there was just a waste of time. Because this can't

2123
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 1: help us today. So I let you address you finish

2124
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,320
Speaker 1: your thought, and then for that brother who called in

2125
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:53,800
Speaker 1: and instead of a few months ago, I'll let you

2126
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:55,000
Speaker 1: address that as well.

2127
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:02,080
Speaker 9: First of all, that's a negative conception option of the

2128
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 9: value of knowledge. And we don't even have to say

2129
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:11,080
Speaker 9: what knowledge yet, but just think to alter against knowledge?

2130
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 9: That's the first thing that that that you as what

2131
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 9: why I need to learn to read? And right?

2132
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:18,240
Speaker 15: Why need to do that?

2133
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 9: You need knowledge? Right? That's a special way of being

2134
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 9: human in the world.

2135
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

2136
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:28,160
Speaker 9: We wrote the first books on what it means to

2137
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 9: be human and one of the things that the ancient

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Speaker 9: Egyptians did was to call humans recky eat uh. One

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02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 9: of the words two main words rimage and ricky and

2140
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 9: recked means wise and knowing beings. Right is that not

2141
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 9: only tells us how important knowledge is in the world,

2142
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 9: but knowledge of how we need to understand ourselves to

2143
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:58,960
Speaker 9: assert ourselves correctly in the world. Right, we have to

2144
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 9: know who we are. If we don't know who we are,

2145
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 9: how do we know what to do? We said, and

2146
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 9: how we the philosophy, three things are always important, identity, purpose,

2147
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 9: and direction. Without your identity, you don't know what to do.

2148
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 9: And without knowing what to do, why discuss the direction

2149
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,040
Speaker 9: you're going to take to do it. So it seems

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02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 9: to me that first of all, the person is denying

2151
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:25,840
Speaker 9: the importance of knowledge. Second to denying the importance of

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02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 9: self knowledge. Every great religious, spiritual, educational philosophy does with

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02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 9: self knowledge, knowledge of ourselves in the world, knowledge of

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02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:41,959
Speaker 9: the world, knowledge of ourselves in society, knowledge of society,

2155
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:48,000
Speaker 9: and knowledge to direct our lives toward good and expansive ends.

2156
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 9: And so when do we talk about knowing our history

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02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:58,920
Speaker 9: and studying our history, we do it for full fundamental reasons. First,

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02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 9: we study history to learn his lessons. This is what

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02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:09,200
Speaker 9: Nana Hydro Malcolm means when he says, of all our studies,

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02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 9: history is best qualified to reward our research. It teaches

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02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,760
Speaker 9: us who we are, what we can be, right. It

2162
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 9: teaches us what to do and what not to do.

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02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:24,480
Speaker 9: It gives us best practices, best sensibilities, and best thoughts

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02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 9: to work on, to build as a foundation and to

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02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 9: add and expand what we learn. Second, we study history

2166
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:37,520
Speaker 9: in order to absorb its spirit of human possibility. Right.

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02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:41,520
Speaker 9: This was what Nana Marcus Govern meant when he says,

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Speaker 9: and I use Nana again just to say, with the

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02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:47,880
Speaker 9: honored one for those who passed for our answers too.

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Speaker 9: This is what Nanagarvi it means when he says what

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02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 9: humans have done, humans can do, that's a model for us,

2172
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:57,800
Speaker 9: right and when they have that spirit, it's the spirit.

2173
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:01,920
Speaker 9: And I'm thinking of what's it right now again because

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02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:06,040
Speaker 9: this is the Anni version of his founding Black History

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02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 9: metamors of course into Black History Month, and he said,

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02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:17,360
Speaker 9: you know what, we must do things different than our present.

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02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 9: And he says to us that we must understand our

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02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:28,520
Speaker 9: history and our ancestors and learn from them and he said,

2179
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:30,680
Speaker 9: you don't have to be as great as them. You'll

2180
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:33,840
Speaker 9: never be great as the answers, because you already elevated

2181
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:37,160
Speaker 9: them to another level. What you must don't is not

2182
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 9: duplicate them, but immulate them, right. And he said, what

2183
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:46,480
Speaker 9: you do is imbive the noble spirit that they had

2184
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 9: the sense of specialness of having a divine mission to

2185
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:54,720
Speaker 9: bring good into the world and not let any good

2186
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,880
Speaker 9: be lost. And he said, if you do that, then

2187
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 9: guess what you can find and new models. And you

2188
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 9: could do something, bring humanity, something new, something new, expand

2189
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:11,880
Speaker 9: the realm of human freedom, and bring forth a larger

2190
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 9: concept of freedom for the world that your has been

2191
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:19,560
Speaker 9: incapable of doing. Right, This is so important. The third

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Speaker 9: reason we study history is to extract and immolate its

2193
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:30,240
Speaker 9: models of human excellence and achievement. This is what Anna

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02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:34,120
Speaker 9: doctor Mary mclement thune means when she says, we are

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Speaker 9: as in custodians of a great legacy, and we add

2196
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 9: and we must bear the burdening the glory of that legacy,

2197
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:45,120
Speaker 9: which strength, dignity, and determination. I mean, you know, like

2198
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,760
Speaker 9: we're talking about what's happening to us now, you know,

2199
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 9: but you know the excellence again, say like Herod Nana,

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02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:56,680
Speaker 9: Herod Dublin, Right, I just imagine her in the context

2201
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Speaker 9: of the most savage unfreedom. You can imagine the holocausts

2202
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 9: of enslavement, imagining freedom, remembering freedom from her ancestors, you know,

2203
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:08,920
Speaker 9: because that's why they need to eliminate our mind in

2204
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 9: our history, so we won't remember freedom, so we won't

2205
02:09:12,120 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 9: remember ourselves right.

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02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,840
Speaker 22: And so if we don't have a model of black

2207
02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 22: people doing things right, how do we know we can

2208
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:22,920
Speaker 22: do them? And how do we get the spirit? When

2209
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:28,160
Speaker 22: I read her redefining freedom from individual escape, step across

2210
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:33,000
Speaker 22: the line and not steeling. She's free because all the people,

2211
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:33,680
Speaker 22: she said.

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Speaker 9: All the people I loved, was still back in the

2213
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 9: holocaust of the slavery, still back on the plantation. And

2214
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 9: I decided I'm going to go back and get them

2215
02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:45,760
Speaker 9: so they can experience it. And at that moment she

2216
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 9: redefined the freedom from individual escape to the collective practice

2217
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:56,000
Speaker 9: of self determination in it for community. So these models

2218
02:09:56,040 --> 02:10:00,320
Speaker 9: of excellence, of building, of doing a covering out of

2219
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:03,520
Speaker 9: the hard rock of reality, good places to stand down

2220
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:06,840
Speaker 9: and to leave for those who come after us. That's

2221
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:09,880
Speaker 9: from our ancestors. That's what makes us want to do

2222
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 9: good and beautiful things. There's an obligation there that brings

2223
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,480
Speaker 9: us to the fourth reason. Not only do we study

2224
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:23,000
Speaker 9: history to learn its lessons, to absorb its spirit of possibility,

2225
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 9: to extract and emulate it models of excellence and achievement

2226
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 9: of human excellence achievement, we also do it to practice

2227
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 9: the morality of remembories. Nana Vana lu Hayman said, the

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02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,600
Speaker 9: two things we all should care about never to forget

2229
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,400
Speaker 9: where we came from, and always praise the bridges that

2230
02:10:42,520 --> 02:10:47,280
Speaker 9: carried us over. And so we must remember it. It

2231
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 9: is wrong to forget, it is righteous to remember. And

2232
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:55,960
Speaker 9: I remember our ancestors, beginning with my own parents, made

2233
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,120
Speaker 9: the good, made the joy they brought, and the good

2234
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 9: they left last forever. So it is with all of

2235
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:06,480
Speaker 9: our ancestors, yours mine, all of our ancestors forgiving us

2236
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:09,800
Speaker 9: the goodness that we know and that brought us here,

2237
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 9: leaving us a foundation we could build there. And this

2238
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:16,200
Speaker 9: is how we honored them. This is the best way

2239
02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:19,360
Speaker 9: we can honor them, by trying as best we can

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Speaker 9: to live the legacy they left us. And I'm wonder

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02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 9: lust thing you can tell how important history is how

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02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 9: it's the requirement in the white man's school, tell you

2243
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,720
Speaker 9: don't learn your history and try to erase it. Right,

2244
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,360
Speaker 9: But he guess what makes it mandage for you to

2245
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 9: get out of school?

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02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:40,640
Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Ten away from the top, I got a tweet question

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02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 1: for you, doctor Kraner tweet says, please ask doctor Karnga

2249
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 1: his response to Trump's depiction of the Obamas as apes.

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Speaker 4: Dabel.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate what you said. If I gue, that's one word.

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02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:58,720
Speaker 9: The man is sick. He's a low life gangster. His

2253
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 9: government is a gangster government. I don't think we should

2254
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 9: spend a lot of time on that, you know what.

2255
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 9: I know this sounds rough what I'm getting ready to say,

2256
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 9: but I need to say it. Look, I never get

2257
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:13,280
Speaker 9: surprised when a snake crawls on his belly or a

2258
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:17,400
Speaker 9: babboon sits on his haunches. That's the nature. What I

2259
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:20,960
Speaker 9: would be surprised to see is a bird flying backward.

2260
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:26,200
Speaker 9: So I expect those things. It's a small minded, ignorant

2261
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:31,760
Speaker 9: gangster group in the White House and their allies are similar.

2262
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:35,840
Speaker 9: What else can we expect from them? Should a dog

2263
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 9: not bark? Do you expect that they won't? I just

2264
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:44,200
Speaker 9: we got to stop being shocked by these people.

2265
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 5: We know who they are.

2266
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 9: The question is what do we do A see now here,

2267
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:55,400
Speaker 9: here's here, Here's why history is so important. The question

2268
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 9: is what do we do? Aw what we have done,

2269
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:03,320
Speaker 9: and we build on what we've done and take history further.

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02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 9: Benon said to us, No, not France for No said

2271
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 9: to us, let us leave you up. Well, they're always

2272
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:13,800
Speaker 9: talking about men and the abstract, but when they find

2273
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 9: real men and women, they kill them down every street. Right,

2274
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 9: let's stop talking about that. And he said, let's reach

2275
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,720
Speaker 9: inside ourselves and asked ourselves, what kind of world do

2276
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:29,480
Speaker 9: we want? Let's talk about that black people. It's bestally

2277
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 9: doing our history. Let's not make the white man the

2278
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:36,680
Speaker 9: subject of every one of our sentences. Let's stop asking

2279
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 9: as if we don't know what a racist would do.

2280
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,040
Speaker 9: They might say anything. It's besally the most ignorant ones

2281
02:13:43,120 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 9: of them.

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02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 1: All Right. Eight away from the tape with doctor Milana Krenga,

2283
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 1: call us just call us from Maryland. He's online. One

2284
02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:56,120
Speaker 1: has a question for your doctor Karenga. Grand Rising College

2285
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:57,560
Speaker 1: with doctor Krenga.

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02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 4: And brothers.

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Speaker 15: Brother like, yeah, I like that perspective. What you expect

2288
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:09,240
Speaker 15: from a pig, but the east slopping, what do you

2289
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:12,760
Speaker 15: expect from a snake or the snake bite? I want

2290
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:16,720
Speaker 15: to ask you, brother, my question is about reparations.

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02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:17,800
Speaker 9: Get sure.

2292
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 15: How do you how do you think what is your

2293
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:27,640
Speaker 15: perspective of how reparations we should the plan that we

2294
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 15: should present to the government, and how it should be allocated.

2295
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:37,920
Speaker 15: Because they're saying there we don't have a plan to

2296
02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:40,960
Speaker 15: receive it or how it should be issued out? What

2297
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 15: do you think and how do you think we should

2298
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:46,160
Speaker 15: go about receiving and getting that.

2299
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:51,800
Speaker 9: M hmm, bro, appreciate what you said to Brian Shank correctly.

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02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:54,640
Speaker 9: First of all, I think we do reparation, I should

2301
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:58,120
Speaker 9: tell you Dan, But how we get it and how

2302
02:14:58,200 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 9: we define it important, h Sir. I think that it's

2303
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:09,520
Speaker 9: important for us to see reparation as a comprehensive directives.

2304
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 9: Much of what we do when we talk about reparations

2305
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:20,440
Speaker 9: is about money, but reparations means a repair, right, and

2306
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:25,040
Speaker 9: the question is how do we repair, renew and remake

2307
02:15:25,160 --> 02:15:30,040
Speaker 9: ourselves In the process of repairing, renewing and remaking the

2308
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:34,760
Speaker 9: world that injured us? And the question is how do

2309
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:38,040
Speaker 9: we define the injury? That's the first thing. How do

2310
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:41,640
Speaker 9: we define this injury that we're talking about. And we

2311
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:46,680
Speaker 9: have to start with the the root injury, which is

2312
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:50,160
Speaker 9: a holocaust of insavement. But then there's the savage of segregation,

2313
02:15:50,840 --> 02:15:55,000
Speaker 9: and then third there's the continuing racism that we suffer

2314
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:58,320
Speaker 9: all the time. So that's what we got to understand

2315
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:03,680
Speaker 9: the injury before we talk about not before, but at

2316
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 9: the same time that we talk about the repair. Right,

2317
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:11,680
Speaker 9: so I see the repair money is like for me,

2318
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:17,400
Speaker 9: the fifth aspect of reparations, the first and foremost for

2319
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:20,920
Speaker 9: me is this kind of dialogue that you're doing right now.

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02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:22,600
Speaker 5: We have not.

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02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:31,960
Speaker 9: Ourselves come to an agreement on what this reparations is about.

2322
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:36,600
Speaker 9: What is the injury? What is the repair? I want

2323
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:40,760
Speaker 9: us to get a common position on that, and most

2324
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:42,880
Speaker 9: of what people say is right, you know, but we

2325
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 9: don't have We have to face that we don't have

2326
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:49,520
Speaker 9: a common position yet. And in Cobra, you know, my

2327
02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:53,880
Speaker 9: support has been from the beginning for in Cobra, and

2328
02:16:53,959 --> 02:16:57,120
Speaker 9: so I think that's the source of where we could

2329
02:16:57,480 --> 02:17:02,560
Speaker 9: you know, hammer out kind of concept that we need.

2330
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:08,000
Speaker 9: The other thing is that we need once we get that.

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02:17:08,640 --> 02:17:09,199
Speaker 6: We need.

2332
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:15,800
Speaker 9: An admission of the injury from the dominant society because

2333
02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:19,440
Speaker 9: how you how the injuries just got. It tends upon

2334
02:17:19,800 --> 02:17:22,480
Speaker 9: how much repair you get, whether that's money or other

2335
02:17:22,600 --> 02:17:25,360
Speaker 9: things that you need, like educational and healthcare, et cetera,

2336
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:28,320
Speaker 9: land back, It's a lot of things you could get, right.

2337
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:31,160
Speaker 9: I know this is a slow process, but you know,

2338
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 9: I just can't give you a short answer on this

2339
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:37,760
Speaker 9: because it's so complicated, and so we need for them

2340
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:39,200
Speaker 9: to admit it's holocausts.

2341
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:40,360
Speaker 3: It's not just.

2342
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:44,920
Speaker 9: Slave trade business gone bad with collateral damage. It's not

2343
02:17:45,240 --> 02:17:48,360
Speaker 9: just they took something away from us the other day

2344
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:52,120
Speaker 9: or something like that. It's a history, a history that

2345
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:56,080
Speaker 9: begins in the holocaust of enslavement, continues with the savage

2346
02:17:56,160 --> 02:18:01,240
Speaker 9: of segregation, and continues with systemic racism and up to

2347
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:05,400
Speaker 9: this day. And how do you calculate that? That's another

2348
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:08,800
Speaker 9: thing we have to agree on. How do we calculate that?

2349
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 9: And then of course there needs to be an apology.

2350
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,080
Speaker 9: I don't want to apology until you admit it's holocaust.

2351
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:18,000
Speaker 9: That's the most important thing. If you can't say holocaust,

2352
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:23,800
Speaker 9: you say trade. That's that's an insult to call killing

2353
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:27,920
Speaker 9: tens of millions of people trade business gone bad with

2354
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:31,680
Speaker 9: collateral damage away? How can we how can we go

2355
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:35,959
Speaker 9: along with something like that? Right? Yeah, there's human trafficking

2356
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:40,320
Speaker 9: in it, but that's mass murder. Also, that's the destruction

2357
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:45,120
Speaker 9: culture culture holocaust as well as physical holocaust. So we've

2358
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:46,920
Speaker 9: got to deal with that, and we have to have

2359
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 9: serious conversations. I know we're not gonna get all of

2360
02:18:49,640 --> 02:18:53,320
Speaker 9: this done at once, right, It's gonna take time, and

2361
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:57,560
Speaker 9: we might need temporary solutions. But I don't like piecemeal decisions.

2362
02:18:57,640 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 9: And that's one of the things I saw the Universe

2363
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,360
Speaker 9: City is doing. The corporation do it piecemeal. In reparation,

2364
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:08,480
Speaker 9: the country itself owes us reparations billions favorite trillions, and

2365
02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:12,760
Speaker 9: that's some and that's some of what day uh oh us, right,

2366
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:16,400
Speaker 9: but we've got to agree ourselves on it. Thepology then,

2367
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 9: of course, we need public recognition, right uh. And we

2368
02:19:23,560 --> 02:19:28,680
Speaker 9: need a monuments, memories, teaching the listen in the educational system.

2369
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:35,360
Speaker 9: We we we need also uh after that, Now that recognition,

2370
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 9: we need on some hold.

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02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:39,280
Speaker 1: That thought right there, doctor Karrenga. We gotta take a

2372
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:41,840
Speaker 1: short break and stations can identify themselves down the line.

2373
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,360
Speaker 1: We'll come back though, I want you expound on that

2374
02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:46,840
Speaker 1: on reparations, because you're saying how we're going to reach consensus.

2375
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:48,320
Speaker 1: You know, many of us, even if we have a

2376
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:50,720
Speaker 1: critical mass, are not going to agree on most of

2377
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:53,560
Speaker 1: the things that they say we need. And who do

2378
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 1: we go after? And I'll let you expound on that

2379
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:58,000
Speaker 1: when we get back. Family, YouTube can join our conversation

2380
02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:01,560
Speaker 1: with doctor Karenga as we continue to salute Black history. Monk,

2381
02:20:01,640 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 1: you can reach us an eight hundred four or five

2382
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:06,600
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

2383
02:20:06,760 --> 02:20:09,120
Speaker 1: Next the grind Rising family thanks to staying with us

2384
02:20:09,160 --> 02:20:11,320
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning as we continue to salute Black

2385
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:13,879
Speaker 1: history with one of our top scholars. There's a career

2386
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:16,000
Speaker 1: in our community. Many of you know, I'm just the

2387
02:20:16,480 --> 02:20:19,520
Speaker 1: creative Quansa, but it's much more for doctor Milana Kerenger

2388
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 1: than that. And before we left down, thank Carlus and

2389
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Maryland talked about reparations once an explanation about reparations and

2390
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:28,520
Speaker 1: because if you know your history, you'll know that we

2391
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:31,879
Speaker 1: deserve reparations. But another question for doctor karng I hate

2392
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:34,240
Speaker 1: to keep piling these questions on his plate, but why

2393
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:36,400
Speaker 1: is it so easy for other folks to get reparations?

2394
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:39,160
Speaker 1: Why's it so difficult for us? Forget about the fact

2395
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:41,520
Speaker 1: that we you know, we we can't reach a consensus

2396
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:44,200
Speaker 1: on what we need, what we deserve for reparations. But

2397
02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:46,520
Speaker 1: the fact is, why are there so many roadblocks for

2398
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,440
Speaker 1: us when it seems like the other folks get the

2399
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:51,000
Speaker 1: Jampanese they got there, there wasn't so much of a

2400
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:54,200
Speaker 1: resistance to them getting reparations. So doctor Kreng, if you

2401
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:56,600
Speaker 1: continue with your responses and answer some of those questions

2402
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:59,680
Speaker 1: for us and appreciate it, Thank you, lizens.

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02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:02,879
Speaker 9: Jeff, I just want to say this for a very

2404
02:21:02,959 --> 02:21:08,160
Speaker 9: good brother and friend, colleague and struggle not a MIRVed

2405
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:11,160
Speaker 9: diamond out of a merved diaminant who actually worked to

2406
02:21:11,240 --> 02:21:15,720
Speaker 9: it the Japanese on getting theirs through Congress. About one

2407
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 9: of the things that happened, you asked that that's what

2408
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:22,760
Speaker 9: we started out with, this evening, this intense hatred toward

2409
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:26,840
Speaker 9: black that's unique. You know, there's other people that say

2410
02:21:26,879 --> 02:21:29,800
Speaker 9: they have a unique hatred people God, but no one's

2411
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:34,200
Speaker 9: hatred is more unique than the hatred for black people. Right.

2412
02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:37,920
Speaker 9: This is especially against white people, and they spread it

2413
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,560
Speaker 9: around the world. So it's a whole different kind of

2414
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 9: thing we'll talk about. And see that's a contradiction. If

2415
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,680
Speaker 9: we mean so literate, why is there so much resistance,

2416
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:52,320
Speaker 9: Why isn't so much need to deny our humanity, to

2417
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:56,080
Speaker 9: deny our freedom, to say we wouldn't vote, and then

2418
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:59,920
Speaker 9: when we vote, they try to make it a law

2419
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:03,520
Speaker 9: for anybody give us water. When he's standing for lines

2420
02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:06,280
Speaker 9: all day to vote. You know, it's just sickness. I

2421
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:10,560
Speaker 9: told you well. Oppression raisist. Oppression is a pathology, It's

2422
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,360
Speaker 9: a sickness. Non offender him is that America is a

2423
02:22:14,440 --> 02:22:18,000
Speaker 9: sick society and the white man is on the critical list.

2424
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:24,240
Speaker 9: And because he sees the declining state of white power

2425
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:27,360
Speaker 9: in the world, white supremacy, he's going to do even

2426
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:32,160
Speaker 9: more rough things. Look at the genocide he's conducting in

2427
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:36,640
Speaker 9: Western Asia, gets the Palestinian people, Look at the genocide

2428
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:40,480
Speaker 9: he's funding and arming and Soudan. Look at how he

2429
02:22:40,680 --> 02:22:47,520
Speaker 9: is for years suppressing and oppression and mass murdering Haitian people.

2430
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:52,519
Speaker 9: Just think about all that that's going on, and supposedly

2431
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:55,400
Speaker 9: in the name of this country, right, And so I

2432
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:57,160
Speaker 9: don't want to get it far a field. But I

2433
02:22:57,320 --> 02:22:59,800
Speaker 9: just want y'all to know, and I want everyone to

2434
02:22:59,879 --> 02:23:03,360
Speaker 9: know that the guy sees us in a special way,

2435
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:07,879
Speaker 9: and he resents us. He resents our resiliency, he resents

2436
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,640
Speaker 9: our intelligence. And that's why he always wants us to

2437
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:15,400
Speaker 9: dance and perform and provide a minimum labor and sex

2438
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:19,000
Speaker 9: and entertainment. Those three things, that's his thing. He can

2439
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,560
Speaker 9: keep us in there even if we make billion dollars,

2440
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:26,360
Speaker 9: still just entertained. Don't try to rule, don't try to rule. Right,

2441
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:28,240
Speaker 9: he'll rule. He'll tell you what to do. He'll tell

2442
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:30,880
Speaker 9: you how the money you make a million? Guess what

2443
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:34,760
Speaker 9: he got trillions? Right, he got trillions off your billion.

2444
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,320
Speaker 9: I just would know, so here him, but we could

2445
02:23:38,320 --> 02:23:40,360
Speaker 9: have changed it. I have to believe that.

2446
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:44,720
Speaker 21: You know, he's not a doctor. Varan Luther King, the

2447
02:23:45,080 --> 02:23:47,640
Speaker 21: author of the more Universe is long, but it bears

2448
02:23:47,720 --> 02:23:50,560
Speaker 21: to adjust it. We have to believe that the word

2449
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:54,640
Speaker 21: we're advancing. Okay, so let me go back to reparation.

2450
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:59,840
Speaker 21: So my philosophy, kwedis conception of reperation is, as I said,

2451
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:03,800
Speaker 21: a larger concept than usual, the larger process. In practice,

2452
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,800
Speaker 21: it requires seven basic things. The first is, and I

2453
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 21: just said these, I'm just doing real quick for a

2454
02:24:09,879 --> 02:24:14,720
Speaker 21: communal and a public dialogue, a communal dialogue and public

2455
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:17,959
Speaker 21: dialogue around the meaning of reparation and the root injury

2456
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:21,440
Speaker 21: to be repaired, which is the holocaust of enslavement, which

2457
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:26,400
Speaker 21: we call the Maonganese, the savage of segregation, and various

2458
02:24:26,440 --> 02:24:30,080
Speaker 21: of the forms of systemic racism and oppression. Second, public

2459
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:32,840
Speaker 21: admission of the holocausts of enslavement, because if.

2460
02:24:32,760 --> 02:24:38,320
Speaker 9: You don't acknowledge, you don't the the root injury, then

2461
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:41,400
Speaker 9: you've got a different set of reparation. If it's just

2462
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,040
Speaker 9: I did something to you and all that, it's not

2463
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:48,119
Speaker 9: gonna work in the same way. Right. But second, I said,

2464
02:24:48,200 --> 02:24:51,480
Speaker 9: the public admission of the holocausts of enslavement and subsequent

2465
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,120
Speaker 9: you know, overing oppression. The third, I said, is a

2466
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:57,520
Speaker 9: public apology by the US government who legal life, protected

2467
02:24:57,560 --> 02:25:01,640
Speaker 9: and perpetuated the holocaust of enslavement and this systemic racism

2468
02:25:01,720 --> 02:25:06,520
Speaker 9: that we're undergoing now. And then of course, the public recognition,

2469
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:10,120
Speaker 9: I said, to building of monuments and institutions that tell

2470
02:25:10,200 --> 02:25:13,520
Speaker 9: and teach the horror the meaning of the holocaust and

2471
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:17,240
Speaker 9: forms of oppression, especially in the public education and university

2472
02:25:17,320 --> 02:25:20,840
Speaker 9: system and the media and other public venues you got

2473
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:24,120
Speaker 9: to talk about. And fifth, of course, this compensation. That's

2474
02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:26,800
Speaker 9: why everybody jumps. They jump over the first floor and

2475
02:25:26,920 --> 02:25:29,760
Speaker 9: they leave out the last two and then they go

2476
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,320
Speaker 9: to compensation composition. But in what is compensation in addition

2477
02:25:34,440 --> 02:25:37,480
Speaker 9: to cash money? I think we do need cash money

2478
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:38,680
Speaker 9: because it's assist.

2479
02:25:38,440 --> 02:25:41,039
Speaker 21: In our organization of Black community declared the Labor Alliance,

2480
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:44,800
Speaker 21: which I've co chaired with her, Missus Jackie Ryan and

2481
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,080
Speaker 21: Missus Jackie Rye, and she always said, moto line, we

2482
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:50,200
Speaker 21: got to do with cash money. You know, we could

2483
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:52,600
Speaker 21: give all these other things, but we need to cast fright.

2484
02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:54,320
Speaker 21: So okay, I can see we do.

2485
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:57,320
Speaker 9: But there's a whole list of possible forms also in

2486
02:25:57,400 --> 02:26:00,680
Speaker 9: addition to cast money, return of our land and the

2487
02:26:00,760 --> 02:26:05,720
Speaker 9: wealth stolen and see pre education, healthcare, housing, right, but

2488
02:26:05,879 --> 02:26:09,160
Speaker 9: that must be discussing determined by our community. The sixth

2489
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:15,000
Speaker 9: aspect of reparations and preventive measures through structure changes achieved

2490
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:18,880
Speaker 9: through the radical reconception and reconstruction of this country through

2491
02:26:18,959 --> 02:26:21,960
Speaker 9: righteous and relentless struggle. That's part of the repairs and

2492
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:25,879
Speaker 9: repair that's country. So it would stop oppressing us, right,

2493
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,720
Speaker 9: and then the final thing, of course for reparations is

2494
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:32,400
Speaker 9: our self constantly playing our social and moral banguard role

2495
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:38,040
Speaker 9: right as injured physicians, to struggle to change this. And

2496
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 9: when I talk about repreperations, I wanted us to not

2497
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:44,040
Speaker 9: see ourselves simply as victims, and we certainly were victimized,

2498
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:47,440
Speaker 9: but to see ourselves as injured physicians who have it

2499
02:26:47,560 --> 02:26:51,760
Speaker 9: in our capacity to renew through repair, renew and make

2500
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:55,320
Speaker 9: ourselves in the process and practice of repair and remow

2501
02:26:55,640 --> 02:26:59,080
Speaker 9: and remaking the world that has wounded us. And so

2502
02:26:59,240 --> 02:27:03,000
Speaker 9: we see that is a complex process and practice, and

2503
02:27:03,080 --> 02:27:06,680
Speaker 9: it's not solved by you know, announcements that we're going

2504
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:10,160
Speaker 9: to do there. So some city council or state government

2505
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:13,720
Speaker 9: has said they're gonna have an investigation. No, we have

2506
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:16,320
Speaker 9: to do the investigating and we have to put it together.

2507
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:19,039
Speaker 9: And when you're talking about I know we can't get

2508
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:21,600
Speaker 9: total agreement, but I'm the one who said in the

2509
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:23,960
Speaker 9: sixties we can't have total agreement. We got to have

2510
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:27,760
Speaker 9: operational unity. Right, we don't need total unity, we need

2511
02:27:27,879 --> 02:27:32,200
Speaker 9: operational unity. A critical math that put forward in a

2512
02:27:32,320 --> 02:27:36,240
Speaker 9: major conference that maybe in Cobra and a collection of

2513
02:27:36,320 --> 02:27:39,280
Speaker 9: other groups might put together then come out with a

2514
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:42,720
Speaker 9: common document and work from that all the people in

2515
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:46,160
Speaker 9: the reparations movement. Right, So, I think it's very important

2516
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:50,400
Speaker 9: for us to understand that the arguments and exceptions of

2517
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:54,640
Speaker 9: these proposed separate settlements that are going on all the time,

2518
02:27:55,320 --> 02:27:59,120
Speaker 9: they they what do you call it, pinion, diamonds, nickel,

2519
02:27:59,160 --> 02:28:03,360
Speaker 9: and dimus to death. And what they also induce us

2520
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:06,960
Speaker 9: to accept is less than we deserve. They reduce the

2521
02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:09,840
Speaker 9: conversation to money and focus less on the primary energy

2522
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:15,120
Speaker 9: injury of the holocausts and enslavements and it's ongoing oppressive

2523
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:20,520
Speaker 9: impact which gives the demand of reparations its most moral meaning,

2524
02:28:20,959 --> 02:28:24,320
Speaker 9: the holocaust of enslavement. And if we're not careful in

2525
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 9: our calculation of what is necessary needed, we will make

2526
02:28:28,360 --> 02:28:30,840
Speaker 9: money the measure of all things and forget that money

2527
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:33,520
Speaker 9: is a means, not an end, that what is most

2528
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:38,360
Speaker 9: important is a holistic approach which understands reparation as achieving

2529
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 9: a wide range of conditions and capacity to live a

2530
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:45,680
Speaker 9: good and meaningful life and to pass on this to

2531
02:28:45,800 --> 02:28:49,080
Speaker 9: future generations. So we want to solve it, not just

2532
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:51,480
Speaker 9: for ourselves at this moment. We need it right now.

2533
02:28:51,560 --> 02:28:54,160
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that I don't believe in either art.

2534
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:56,440
Speaker 9: I believe we can have both, but we have to

2535
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:59,160
Speaker 9: balance them and we have to work together to get

2536
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:04,720
Speaker 9: it done. In the principle, here is operational unity, operational.

2537
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,080
Speaker 1: Right, And let me jump in here for a second,

2538
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:08,480
Speaker 1: Doctor Karnga. I got to ask you this question because

2539
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:12,160
Speaker 1: you just I just learned something from you about Compton

2540
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:16,439
Speaker 1: Congressman Nerv Diamond. He helped the Japanese get their reparations?

2541
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Is there any if we use the did he work

2542
02:29:20,040 --> 02:29:22,959
Speaker 1: for us to help us get reparations? Or is any

2543
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:25,640
Speaker 1: of the techniques that he used to help the Japanese

2544
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:27,360
Speaker 1: get their reparations that.

2545
02:29:27,480 --> 02:29:31,360
Speaker 9: We can use Jabbo. See, here's the here's the point.

2546
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:35,200
Speaker 9: This is what I told you. It's easier to get

2547
02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:39,520
Speaker 9: things done for others than it is to get things

2548
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:44,600
Speaker 9: done for it's not as much against them as it

2549
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:48,320
Speaker 9: is for us. And it's easier for whites to admit

2550
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:52,160
Speaker 9: they've done things to other peoples of color than it

2551
02:29:52,400 --> 02:29:53,480
Speaker 9: is what they've.

2552
02:29:53,320 --> 02:29:54,199
Speaker 21: Done to blacks.

2553
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:59,680
Speaker 9: Right, let's just face that, right, So yes, Diamony support it.

2554
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:04,760
Speaker 9: John Kanya's in there, he's supported reparations, and so that's it.

2555
02:30:05,320 --> 02:30:08,080
Speaker 9: So what they could do, they did, and I thank

2556
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:11,520
Speaker 9: them for this, and so I think it's very important

2557
02:30:11,560 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 9: for us to build on the Kanye's legacy, as in

2558
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:18,240
Speaker 9: Kobe's doing and other groups are doing, but especially in Cobra,

2559
02:30:18,400 --> 02:30:22,600
Speaker 9: which John Nona John Kanye's was the part of. So

2560
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:25,560
Speaker 9: that's it, and it's not like he did something he

2561
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:27,560
Speaker 9: should have done for us. He's working for us at

2562
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:30,120
Speaker 9: the same time. And that's what Black people have to see.

2563
02:30:30,320 --> 02:30:33,039
Speaker 9: And we've got to build alliances. And sometimes black people

2564
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:35,520
Speaker 9: don't think we should do nothing for anybody but ourself,

2565
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:38,520
Speaker 9: but we've got to do things for the world. We're

2566
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:41,120
Speaker 9: world historical people and if we don't do that, we

2567
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,160
Speaker 9: look selfish. And the white man isolates us like he's

2568
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:48,480
Speaker 9: always doing. He isolates us, he buys his allies when

2569
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:50,560
Speaker 9: he don't have them, he buys them or forces them

2570
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 9: like Trump is doing, collecting those people, you know, and

2571
02:30:53,959 --> 02:30:56,720
Speaker 9: penalizing them and they don't come along. No, we got

2572
02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:00,800
Speaker 9: to build alliances where people share interests and we can

2573
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:04,040
Speaker 9: do that and we can learn from the things that

2574
02:31:04,360 --> 02:31:07,440
Speaker 9: other people have done to get reparations. That's what we

2575
02:31:07,480 --> 02:31:09,920
Speaker 9: can do. But ours as you need, and it's going

2576
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:13,760
Speaker 9: to be a harder struggle than anybody else's struggle. We

2577
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:18,320
Speaker 9: just got to space that in this racial system. Race.

2578
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:20,240
Speaker 7: You know what is race?

2579
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:26,680
Speaker 9: Race is a social biological category used to assign human

2580
02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:29,920
Speaker 9: worth and social status, using the white man as a model.

2581
02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:32,440
Speaker 9: In other words, the high you are, the closer you

2582
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:37,120
Speaker 9: are to the white man, the higher social status and

2583
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:39,400
Speaker 9: the higher of human worth. And the further you are

2584
02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:42,520
Speaker 9: away from the white man, the lower you're human your

2585
02:31:42,680 --> 02:31:45,360
Speaker 9: social status, and the lawyer your human worth. That's the

2586
02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:47,520
Speaker 9: way they work, and that's why a lot of times

2587
02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:50,400
Speaker 9: black people be trying to act like white, talk like

2588
02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:55,200
Speaker 9: white and clean whiteness, and also do the hair yellowing things.

2589
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:58,640
Speaker 9: They don't want to be penalized for being different. It's

2590
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:01,040
Speaker 9: not like, well, I don't want to go into all

2591
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:04,400
Speaker 9: of that, you know. I think we did that during

2592
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:11,960
Speaker 9: the nineteen fifty four White dos test. There's a psychological

2593
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:15,240
Speaker 9: thing that happens when people have been oppressed a long time.

2594
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:23,720
Speaker 9: They find themselves doubting themselves, denying their identity, condemning themselves,

2595
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:29,000
Speaker 9: and finally mutilating themselves, both psychically and physically. Always it

2596
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:33,400
Speaker 9: happens psychically before it does physically, and only in struggle.

2597
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:36,640
Speaker 9: Can they kill themselves? It is in resistance to that

2598
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:41,160
Speaker 9: which injures us, that we, as injured physicians, heal ourselves

2599
02:32:41,720 --> 02:32:44,040
Speaker 9: and build a good world we all want and deserve

2600
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:48,040
Speaker 9: to live in. There's a serious issue, Caul. You know

2601
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:50,920
Speaker 9: that you've been talking this a long time, and so

2602
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:54,760
Speaker 9: have your audience. So we're all for reparations. To question

2603
02:32:54,959 --> 02:32:57,800
Speaker 9: is how do we get it? And we must in

2604
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:01,640
Speaker 9: fact work together with operational unit. You need to in diversity,

2605
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:07,560
Speaker 9: unity without uniformity, but unity and principal purpose and practice.

2606
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:11,359
Speaker 9: Unity and principal purpose and practice.

2607
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:14,320
Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right, the fifteen at the

2608
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:16,160
Speaker 1: top of come up on a break. But Christian and

2609
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:18,320
Speaker 1: Malibu has a question for you, Christian, can you make

2610
02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:21,679
Speaker 1: that question quick for us? He's online one grand rising Christian.

2611
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:28,000
Speaker 23: Gentlemen, what you said was comprehensive, but it wasn't the faint.

2612
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:30,880
Speaker 23: We need people that are going to follow the action

2613
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:33,160
Speaker 23: of the people, and that's what we've been missing. You've

2614
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,280
Speaker 23: been putting people in place unto follow our needs. And

2615
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:38,880
Speaker 23: I'm going to give you an example. When Kamba Harris

2616
02:33:38,920 --> 02:33:41,240
Speaker 23: became vice president, the first thing she's supposed to do

2617
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:44,000
Speaker 23: is go down the Tosa, Oklahoma State and that stuff out,

2618
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:47,480
Speaker 23: okay because it was that needs to be addressed. So

2619
02:33:47,879 --> 02:33:49,880
Speaker 23: you can't put people in brace. It's not going to

2620
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,760
Speaker 23: do with the people's infest are when Cold and Power

2621
02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:54,960
Speaker 23: got in front of the world and said that Iraq

2622
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:58,240
Speaker 23: had nuclear power, which was a total lie, but he

2623
02:33:58,400 --> 02:34:00,680
Speaker 23: was in that position putting.

2624
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:03,679
Speaker 3: Hite people in place. The skin after North behalf.

2625
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,920
Speaker 23: And you know that we got to clean the statements,

2626
02:34:05,959 --> 02:34:06,800
Speaker 23: real people in there.

2627
02:34:06,879 --> 02:34:10,280
Speaker 3: What do you think about that? All right, I'll tell you.

2628
02:34:10,240 --> 02:34:12,200
Speaker 1: About doctor Krenger. I'll let you respond because we're got

2629
02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:13,879
Speaker 1: up on a break. Thank you Christian for your call.

2630
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Let you respond when we get back sixteen after the

2631
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:18,160
Speaker 1: top of the al Family, you two can join our conversation.

2632
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:20,920
Speaker 1: Dtr Krekers started off for talking about black history and

2633
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:23,040
Speaker 1: all this is a black history because reparations is a

2634
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:25,760
Speaker 1: black history. If you know your Black history, you know

2635
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,600
Speaker 1: we deserve reparations. The question is how do we get

2636
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:31,200
Speaker 1: it and what is it? Define it? And this is

2637
02:34:31,240 --> 02:34:33,320
Speaker 1: why doctor Krenger is helping us out this morning. And

2638
02:34:33,400 --> 02:34:35,160
Speaker 1: again you can reach them at eight hundred four or

2639
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:37,720
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2640
02:34:37,720 --> 02:34:40,800
Speaker 1: phone calls next and grand Rising family, and a happy

2641
02:34:40,879 --> 02:34:43,240
Speaker 1: Thursday to you. We're discussing Black History Month. We had

2642
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 1: one of our scholars, our top scholars is a grill,

2643
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:47,400
Speaker 1: doctor Malana Krenger. Many of you know him as a

2644
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:50,000
Speaker 1: person who created quant but there's much more to doctor Karenga.

2645
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Before we left for the break up, a Christian and

2646
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Malibu call and it sys we don't have the right

2647
02:34:55,400 --> 02:34:57,640
Speaker 1: people in the right positions who can make decisions like

2648
02:34:57,720 --> 02:35:01,320
Speaker 1: that when it comes to reparations. So doctor Krangle, let

2649
02:35:01,320 --> 02:35:02,920
Speaker 1: your respond to what what Christian said.

2650
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:09,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you're right Christian, But again it's some more

2651
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:12,400
Speaker 9: complex than it first sound. I mean, we can stand

2652
02:35:12,480 --> 02:35:14,440
Speaker 9: on the side and say, well, we don't have but

2653
02:35:14,520 --> 02:35:19,800
Speaker 9: we can make it. Politicians in America and in other places, right,

2654
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:24,400
Speaker 9: they tend to be bought, rented, or least they tend

2655
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:27,520
Speaker 9: to go with the money. Everybody goes with the money.

2656
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:31,480
Speaker 9: One time we ran a campaign not too long ago

2657
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:35,280
Speaker 9: where we beat a person with a lot of money. Right,

2658
02:35:35,879 --> 02:35:38,440
Speaker 9: But that's a rare time a lot of times, and

2659
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:41,560
Speaker 9: what we have to do is create a discourse and

2660
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:45,200
Speaker 9: get people involved. Right, But we have to be involved ourselves.

2661
02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:49,200
Speaker 9: So I just want to make sure that we know

2662
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:55,360
Speaker 9: that the only way we can counter the politicians going

2663
02:35:55,480 --> 02:36:00,360
Speaker 9: in for someone else and not for us, that we

2664
02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:05,120
Speaker 9: be involved. We've got to be involved. If we want

2665
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:08,360
Speaker 9: politicians to act in our own interest, we must make

2666
02:36:08,440 --> 02:36:13,400
Speaker 9: them do So. I'm reminded of what Obama told and

2667
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:20,320
Speaker 9: he repeated something that anana A Philip Randa told us

2668
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:24,800
Speaker 9: about his meeting with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the President, and

2669
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:28,120
Speaker 9: he said he told Roosevelt all the things black people need,

2670
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:32,960
Speaker 9: and the President rose told him, now, I agree with you,

2671
02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:35,280
Speaker 9: go out and make me do it. In other words,

2672
02:36:35,360 --> 02:36:39,160
Speaker 9: create the basis where he has to respond, right, And

2673
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:42,400
Speaker 9: so Obama told the people. But the black people loved

2674
02:36:42,480 --> 02:36:44,520
Speaker 9: him so much, as they wanted him so much, they

2675
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:48,600
Speaker 9: never made him do anything right. Right, And you can

2676
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:50,720
Speaker 9: say it's his fault, but part of it we have

2677
02:36:50,879 --> 02:36:55,000
Speaker 9: to take responsibility for it. And we have to ask ourselves, right,

2678
02:36:55,600 --> 02:36:59,560
Speaker 9: what group do you belong to? What activist organization are

2679
02:36:59,640 --> 02:37:03,400
Speaker 9: you into? That's talking about what to do, not about

2680
02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:04,959
Speaker 9: what other people haven't done.

2681
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:05,720
Speaker 12: Right.

2682
02:37:06,600 --> 02:37:09,240
Speaker 9: Our conversation a lot of times is about what people

2683
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:11,920
Speaker 9: haven't done. But the question is what are you doing?

2684
02:37:12,040 --> 02:37:14,480
Speaker 9: The question is what group do you belong to? Do

2685
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:17,720
Speaker 9: you vote regularly? Do you work with other people in

2686
02:37:17,879 --> 02:37:22,280
Speaker 9: campaigns to help develop these platforms to put reparations at

2687
02:37:22,320 --> 02:37:22,720
Speaker 9: the top.

2688
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:24,120
Speaker 23: Do you do that?

2689
02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:27,200
Speaker 9: And if you don't do that, how can you say

2690
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:29,760
Speaker 9: these people are not doing what you want, what you

2691
02:37:29,959 --> 02:37:33,840
Speaker 9: just think them to do, because they dog right. Look,

2692
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,400
Speaker 9: we got to be honest and Hadji Malcolm in his

2693
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:41,200
Speaker 9: bullet ballot of the bullet I mean he talks about

2694
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:46,720
Speaker 9: us needing this kind of political awareness to actually define,

2695
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,520
Speaker 9: to fit and advance our interest. And this is when

2696
02:37:49,560 --> 02:37:53,760
Speaker 9: the fundamental principles of Cowe the politics. There is no substitute.

2697
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:58,840
Speaker 9: Remember this now, there's no substitute for an aware organize

2698
02:37:58,959 --> 02:38:03,920
Speaker 9: and engage people constantly involved in a multiplicity of activity

2699
02:38:04,320 --> 02:38:08,240
Speaker 9: to define, defend and advance their inches. So that's what

2700
02:38:08,400 --> 02:38:10,879
Speaker 9: we need to do. If you want to know where

2701
02:38:10,959 --> 02:38:16,120
Speaker 9: we are in reparations, ask yourself where are you in reparations?

2702
02:38:16,360 --> 02:38:19,959
Speaker 9: Besides asking the question, are you there in the organization?

2703
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:23,080
Speaker 9: Are you in COPRA or any other organization like that?

2704
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:26,600
Speaker 9: Are you voting? Do you want the politicians to do that?

2705
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 9: Where our funds come to fund these organizations so that

2706
02:38:31,160 --> 02:38:33,959
Speaker 9: the white men don't use the government to cut off

2707
02:38:34,040 --> 02:38:37,200
Speaker 9: and penalize us. Can we do that one time? We

2708
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:39,640
Speaker 9: used to do that, And then that was one of

2709
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:42,720
Speaker 9: the things that was so painful for me to watch

2710
02:38:42,959 --> 02:38:46,120
Speaker 9: the transformation of the churches. I heard of advertisement on

2711
02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:51,520
Speaker 9: here about how important media and the church was.

2712
02:38:52,400 --> 02:38:53,119
Speaker 16: Both of those.

2713
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:59,040
Speaker 9: Suffered from the money issue. Right, the church, you should

2714
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:02,720
Speaker 9: defend this special own his parishioners, and right, they could

2715
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:05,680
Speaker 9: do what they wanted, right, but guess why they started

2716
02:39:05,720 --> 02:39:09,200
Speaker 9: getting money from other sources and government in corporate I mean,

2717
02:39:09,320 --> 02:39:11,440
Speaker 9: I think we first of all, don't think I'm thinking

2718
02:39:11,480 --> 02:39:13,480
Speaker 9: they're setting out because they're doing this. No, we have

2719
02:39:13,560 --> 02:39:16,640
Speaker 9: a right to all public wealth in space, so that's

2720
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:19,480
Speaker 9: not a problem. But I'm saying it makes you vulnerable.

2721
02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:23,400
Speaker 9: If that's your main source and that's your only source,

2722
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:27,040
Speaker 9: that's a problem. And you can't make yourself vulnerable to

2723
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:30,400
Speaker 9: an oppressive regime. That's that's all I'm saying. Right, So

2724
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:35,240
Speaker 9: don't don't ask me to say either are except either

2725
02:39:35,320 --> 02:39:38,680
Speaker 9: are the people or the oppressive. I'm gonna draw strong

2726
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:41,840
Speaker 9: lines on that, But the rest of these questions you'll

2727
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:44,120
Speaker 9: be surprised how you have to have a balance in

2728
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:48,520
Speaker 9: nuanced approach to it because it's always complex, right, But

2729
02:39:48,640 --> 02:39:52,000
Speaker 9: I said, get involved if you want these things to happen. Bill.

2730
02:39:52,280 --> 02:39:54,840
Speaker 9: First of all, like I started with the reparations, we

2731
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:57,520
Speaker 9: got to have a new discourse. People think they know

2732
02:39:57,640 --> 02:40:00,240
Speaker 9: about reparations, what it is and what it takes, but

2733
02:40:00,400 --> 02:40:03,000
Speaker 9: we don't. We need an educational we need this is

2734
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:09,320
Speaker 9: what we need for always, education, mobilization, organization, and confrontation

2735
02:40:09,560 --> 02:40:15,600
Speaker 9: that leads to transformation. Without education, without mobilization, without organization,

2736
02:40:16,040 --> 02:40:20,560
Speaker 9: without confrontation of the established order, there is no transformation.

2737
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:23,600
Speaker 9: It's just conversation on the side. I don't want our

2738
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:27,760
Speaker 9: voice to be marginalized Black people. I want our vossites

2739
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:30,520
Speaker 9: to be at the center, especially of our own history

2740
02:40:31,160 --> 02:40:34,480
Speaker 9: and for our own interests. But we've got to belong.

2741
02:40:34,840 --> 02:40:38,360
Speaker 9: We've got to stop throwing things from the side and

2742
02:40:38,520 --> 02:40:42,080
Speaker 9: having marginal conversations and all of them just about a

2743
02:40:42,200 --> 02:40:45,160
Speaker 9: negative about what other people are not doing. But the

2744
02:40:45,360 --> 02:40:48,760
Speaker 9: question is what am I doing. That's why we always

2745
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:51,120
Speaker 9: ask people at the end of the year, krins are

2746
02:40:51,160 --> 02:40:53,440
Speaker 9: the last day of Quns is called the day of meditation.

2747
02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:57,560
Speaker 9: We ask people to sit down, you know, just quiet time.

2748
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:00,520
Speaker 9: Don't be going to a kadamus. That's on the thirty

2749
02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:04,960
Speaker 9: first January first is the date of meditation. You sit

2750
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:08,680
Speaker 9: down and you measure yourself in the best of our

2751
02:41:08,920 --> 02:41:11,840
Speaker 9: history and culture and ask where do we stand? And

2752
02:41:11,959 --> 02:41:15,039
Speaker 9: we do that by asking and answer three questions. Who

2753
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,840
Speaker 9: am I am? I really? Who I am? And about

2754
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:20,520
Speaker 9: all I ought to be? Notice I started out with

2755
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:23,880
Speaker 9: a collective identity. I'm not just my line in Davis

2756
02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:27,560
Speaker 9: and Davas e ta Karna, that's just my personal name.

2757
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:31,480
Speaker 9: But I'm an African. That's a responsibility. That's an identity

2758
02:41:31,560 --> 02:41:34,560
Speaker 9: that gives me a purpose in the world. Right. It

2759
02:41:34,680 --> 02:41:37,760
Speaker 9: gives me a direction, you know, liberation struggle, that's it,

2760
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:41,280
Speaker 9: you know. So I got to ask myself who am I? Second?

2761
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:43,760
Speaker 9: Am I really who I am? Sometimes we wear the

2762
02:41:43,879 --> 02:41:46,800
Speaker 9: mask I can don't say black skinned, white mask. I

2763
02:41:46,840 --> 02:41:49,240
Speaker 9: mean we got to quit all that. We got to stop,

2764
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:52,480
Speaker 9: you know, being other people, Stop trying to look like

2765
02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:54,240
Speaker 9: other people. Sot I'm trying to do our hair and

2766
02:41:54,400 --> 02:41:57,520
Speaker 9: talk and all that other stuff, Like what just be ourself?

2767
02:41:57,720 --> 02:42:00,160
Speaker 9: I said this before and I said it again. Our

2768
02:42:00,200 --> 02:42:03,160
Speaker 9: struggle has always had two dimensions to it. A struggle

2769
02:42:03,240 --> 02:42:06,640
Speaker 9: to be ourselves and free ourselves, to be ourself without penity,

2770
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:11,680
Speaker 9: punishment or oppressive and to free ourself from domination, deprivation,

2771
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:14,680
Speaker 9: and degradation and build a good world we all want

2772
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:18,240
Speaker 9: and deserve to live in. So we need to make

2773
02:42:18,400 --> 02:42:22,400
Speaker 9: sure that we are conscious of these things of black people.

2774
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:24,800
Speaker 9: And if we do that, we got a whole new

2775
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:28,119
Speaker 9: future we can be. I believe this, and I said

2776
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:31,320
Speaker 9: this before, and I said again, this is our duty

2777
02:42:31,720 --> 02:42:34,800
Speaker 9: to know our pass and honor, to engage our present

2778
02:42:34,920 --> 02:42:38,360
Speaker 9: and improve it, and to imagine a whole new future

2779
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:41,680
Speaker 9: and to forge it and the most ethical, effective and

2780
02:42:41,879 --> 02:42:46,480
Speaker 9: expansive way. I wanted to say something about our identity,

2781
02:42:46,520 --> 02:42:48,800
Speaker 9: but I want to make sure if someone else has

2782
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:50,080
Speaker 9: a question.

2783
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Because we've got a question about College Woodson. So I'll

2784
02:42:55,879 --> 02:43:00,879
Speaker 1: let you respond to that about our identity first, Okay,

2785
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:04,800
Speaker 1: all right, and tell us about our identity.

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02:43:05,680 --> 02:43:08,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, So what is the thing that doctor Carnjie Wishsen

2787
02:43:08,280 --> 02:43:10,760
Speaker 9: told us to do is to see ourselves in a

2788
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:15,360
Speaker 9: world incompetent way versus African people, and it's people who

2789
02:43:15,400 --> 02:43:18,880
Speaker 9: have a special role in human history and so in

2790
02:43:18,959 --> 02:43:22,400
Speaker 9: our organization us when we talk about our history. As

2791
02:43:22,440 --> 02:43:26,200
Speaker 9: a people, we refer to our history as a sacred narrative,

2792
02:43:26,320 --> 02:43:31,119
Speaker 9: a sacred narrative because we understand ourselves and our lives

2793
02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:35,880
Speaker 9: as sacred, and because our righteous and relentless liberation struggle

2794
02:43:36,280 --> 02:43:39,560
Speaker 9: to bring good in the world is a sacred mission

2795
02:43:39,959 --> 02:43:43,759
Speaker 9: and a moral imperitive. And therefore we take the irreversible

2796
02:43:43,879 --> 02:43:47,840
Speaker 9: position that no other people is more sacred or holy,

2797
02:43:48,280 --> 02:43:52,360
Speaker 9: or chosen or elect or worthy of respect than our own,

2798
02:43:52,840 --> 02:43:56,240
Speaker 9: and likewise, no history is more worthy of being ought

2799
02:43:56,400 --> 02:44:02,000
Speaker 9: or told, a more sacred or of lessons and light

2800
02:44:02,440 --> 02:44:05,760
Speaker 9: for us than our own. If we take that position

2801
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:09,160
Speaker 9: about our people and our history, we can wage a

2802
02:44:09,320 --> 02:44:13,920
Speaker 9: different kind of struggle. But if we see ourselves in

2803
02:44:14,160 --> 02:44:19,160
Speaker 9: lumping terms, jiga boot terms, ghetto terms, and not whirl

2804
02:44:19,280 --> 02:44:23,240
Speaker 9: and converaging terms, then that's how we act. How we

2805
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:27,800
Speaker 9: understand ourselves determines how we assert ourselves in the world.

2806
02:44:28,440 --> 02:44:32,680
Speaker 9: How we understand ourselves determines how we assert ourselves in

2807
02:44:32,760 --> 02:44:35,560
Speaker 9: the world. And we have a small conception of ourselves,

2808
02:44:35,720 --> 02:44:39,039
Speaker 9: are small understand that's how we assert ourselves in the world.

2809
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:42,720
Speaker 9: But if we have an expansive one, then that's how

2810
02:44:42,760 --> 02:44:45,400
Speaker 9: we assert ourselves in the world, and I just want.

2811
02:44:45,280 --> 02:44:45,800
Speaker 1: To do that.

2812
02:44:46,120 --> 02:44:48,160
Speaker 9: And the last point I was wanted to make is

2813
02:44:48,200 --> 02:44:52,240
Speaker 9: to go back to that whole idea about the soul confident.

2814
02:44:53,240 --> 02:44:56,800
Speaker 9: I really this is what makes us distinct, and I

2815
02:44:56,959 --> 02:45:00,400
Speaker 9: want us to appreciate it because soul is love all

2816
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:04,120
Speaker 9: culture concept. It speaks not only to the depth of

2817
02:45:04,200 --> 02:45:08,600
Speaker 9: our spirituality, but it is defining black character and spirit

2818
02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:14,119
Speaker 9: right which undergirds, infuses, and informs our being and constant becoming.

2819
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:19,160
Speaker 9: We are soul people, soul men, soul women, soul systems,

2820
02:45:19,240 --> 02:45:23,480
Speaker 9: soul brothers. We call food soul food, our music soul music,

2821
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:26,840
Speaker 9: our sun's deforms in us and life and struggle. We

2822
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:29,880
Speaker 9: call it soul session. And we designated as soul for

2823
02:45:30,320 --> 02:45:33,920
Speaker 9: our preaching, our teaching, our talking. Good Curtis may Feel

2824
02:45:33,959 --> 02:45:37,400
Speaker 9: assures us that no matter what happens, we got soul

2825
02:45:37,720 --> 02:45:40,720
Speaker 9: and everybody knows it's all right. That's what we see.

2826
02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:43,840
Speaker 9: So not only is defining us our music and way

2827
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:48,599
Speaker 9: of life, but as a distinctiveness of our peoplehood and personhood.

2828
02:45:48,959 --> 02:45:50,879
Speaker 9: And it is one of the characterists that makes us

2829
02:45:50,959 --> 02:45:56,320
Speaker 9: distinct without needing to claim superiority. Indeed, it speaks to

2830
02:45:56,520 --> 02:45:59,680
Speaker 9: this soul concept speaks to and reafirms our unique and

2831
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:03,160
Speaker 9: valid and valuable way of being African and human in

2832
02:46:03,240 --> 02:46:06,920
Speaker 9: the world. It is this special distinction of peoplehood and

2833
02:46:07,160 --> 02:46:11,920
Speaker 9: culture that we treasure greatly and defend against imitations of

2834
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:15,520
Speaker 9: our lives and the appropriation of our culture by others

2835
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:20,680
Speaker 9: and exploitative and insensitive way. So speak your own special truth.

2836
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:25,359
Speaker 9: Black people see yourself as sacred. We introduced the concept

2837
02:46:25,959 --> 02:46:28,800
Speaker 9: the first to introduce the concept that humans were special,

2838
02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:31,320
Speaker 9: that they were the image of the divine, that they

2839
02:46:31,360 --> 02:46:34,520
Speaker 9: were bearers of dignity and the hearing wordliness that was

2840
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:40,080
Speaker 9: transcended of all social and biological categories like racist, class

2841
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:43,720
Speaker 9: and gender and sexuality and age and ability, et cetera.

2842
02:46:44,160 --> 02:46:47,760
Speaker 9: And that it was this inherent worthiness, this inborn worthiness,

2843
02:46:48,320 --> 02:46:51,080
Speaker 9: was equal in all and that it was in a

2844
02:46:51,160 --> 02:46:55,120
Speaker 9: liable Nobody could take it from us. That's our legacy

2845
02:46:55,480 --> 02:46:57,880
Speaker 9: and we got to live it. The legacy dies if

2846
02:46:57,879 --> 02:46:58,560
Speaker 9: we don't live it.

2847
02:46:58,959 --> 02:46:59,760
Speaker 22: We must live.

2848
02:47:00,480 --> 02:47:03,320
Speaker 9: And we were stepped boldly in the world and their

2849
02:47:03,440 --> 02:47:05,080
Speaker 9: struggle and their victory.

2850
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Got it twenty eight away from the top family, Doctor

2851
02:47:08,200 --> 02:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Milana Karenga carl Is calling us from West Palm Beach

2852
02:47:11,080 --> 02:47:15,000
Speaker 1: in Florida is online two Grand Rising Carlion with doctor Karenga.

2853
02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:19,480
Speaker 24: Grand Resident Sami Brother Karenga. I was wondering, had you

2854
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:23,160
Speaker 24: went into the idea of what Carter in his journey

2855
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:25,959
Speaker 24: he shared with us as a result of going through

2856
02:47:26,040 --> 02:47:29,000
Speaker 24: this system and going through supposedly the best part of

2857
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:32,440
Speaker 24: its system, coming out as a Greek and coming into

2858
02:47:32,520 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 24: the church and everything else. But he shared with us

2859
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:40,760
Speaker 24: how being given this kind of information without being given

2860
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:45,520
Speaker 24: the opportunity to know ourselves, how these kind of thhds

2861
02:47:45,640 --> 02:47:50,679
Speaker 24: and other degrees was become an injury to us if

2862
02:47:50,760 --> 02:47:52,879
Speaker 24: we didn't have the proper knowledge of ourselfs.

2863
02:47:52,879 --> 02:47:53,560
Speaker 18: And I was wondering.

2864
02:47:54,320 --> 02:47:57,000
Speaker 24: Most time I hear people talk about Carter, but from

2865
02:47:57,080 --> 02:48:00,600
Speaker 24: my perspective, he looked at the educational system that was

2866
02:48:00,680 --> 02:48:03,760
Speaker 24: across the United States and how it was developed in

2867
02:48:03,879 --> 02:48:07,560
Speaker 24: eighteen seventy seven at elect Mohawk when they had the

2868
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:10,400
Speaker 24: Negro problem, and how they decided what they were going

2869
02:48:10,440 --> 02:48:14,160
Speaker 24: to teach us, and how right now we can't get

2870
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:18,920
Speaker 24: any kind of real response from our fraternities, our sororities,

2871
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:22,000
Speaker 24: our churches, and none of them. They'll spend money for

2872
02:48:22,320 --> 02:48:26,039
Speaker 24: political reasoning, but they don't spend money for our freedom.

2873
02:48:26,320 --> 02:48:28,640
Speaker 24: And if you could check me with me with that,

2874
02:48:28,760 --> 02:48:29,480
Speaker 24: I appreciate it.

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02:48:29,959 --> 02:48:34,240
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah. One of the things,

2876
02:48:34,360 --> 02:48:37,240
Speaker 9: you know, the classic work that everyone knows about Doctor

2877
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:43,160
Speaker 9: nine Adductive Prodigie Woodson is mis education of the Negro,

2878
02:48:43,320 --> 02:48:47,440
Speaker 9: mis educating black people. And as I read him, both

2879
02:48:47,480 --> 02:48:52,080
Speaker 9: his intellectual and practical work offered a puljent average strong evidence.

2880
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:57,800
Speaker 9: Oh again the special role and responsibility of African people

2881
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:00,960
Speaker 9: in the world, Black people in the world. And he stated,

2882
02:49:01,000 --> 02:49:04,200
Speaker 9: and I quote him here, he says the Black race

2883
02:49:04,400 --> 02:49:07,320
Speaker 9: as a factor in world that he sees the Black

2884
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:11,320
Speaker 9: race as a factor in world culture rather than an

2885
02:49:11,400 --> 02:49:15,280
Speaker 9: element in a sick questioned sphere. Now when he says

2886
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:18,320
Speaker 9: sick questions, you know, it's like they take the jury

2887
02:49:18,360 --> 02:49:21,120
Speaker 9: and hide them away, right. So he's talking about he

2888
02:49:21,280 --> 02:49:26,120
Speaker 9: wants us to see our culture as a significant force

2889
02:49:26,280 --> 02:49:30,640
Speaker 9: in world history rather than an isolated, secluded and quarantine

2890
02:49:30,760 --> 02:49:34,680
Speaker 9: element which is marginal and marginalize. And he questioned and

2891
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:39,920
Speaker 9: criticized as you referred to the educational system for teaching us.

2892
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:44,520
Speaker 9: I quote him again, to admire the Hebrew, the Greek,

2893
02:49:44,879 --> 02:49:49,720
Speaker 9: the Latin, and the Teutan and expired. This despied the

2894
02:49:49,800 --> 02:49:52,360
Speaker 9: African for people don't know who the Tudent is, as

2895
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:55,760
Speaker 9: like the British and all the people around there. But anyhow,

2896
02:49:57,120 --> 02:50:02,640
Speaker 9: the Western European in total, but mainly the British. He said,

2897
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:05,320
Speaker 9: we too, we've talked to admire the Hebrew, the Greek,

2898
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:09,320
Speaker 9: the Latin and the Tutent, and to despise African, and

2899
02:50:09,400 --> 02:50:12,560
Speaker 9: that we're taught to embrace the sacred and secular histories

2900
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:15,720
Speaker 9: of others and to deny and dismiss our own. And

2901
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:18,480
Speaker 9: that's why I say no history is more sacred than

2902
02:50:18,520 --> 02:50:21,320
Speaker 9: our own. We get we we're taught to see other

2903
02:50:21,360 --> 02:50:25,320
Speaker 9: people's history as sacred, but we don't see ourselves as Hatrey. Well,

2904
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:28,119
Speaker 9: if we don't have any prophets, they have no prophets.

2905
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:31,000
Speaker 9: Right if God didn't talk to us, I doubt if

2906
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:34,080
Speaker 9: he said anything to anybody else, Right, I just it's

2907
02:50:34,120 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 9: somewhere in the world. Well, I don't want to get

2908
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:38,920
Speaker 9: the thrown off, and I don't want to lose our audience.

2909
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:41,480
Speaker 9: I just want to tell you that it's a narrow

2910
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:46,080
Speaker 9: sense of ourselves if we don't make and see ourselves

2911
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:49,240
Speaker 9: as we are and as doctor Whitson wanted us to

2912
02:50:49,360 --> 02:50:54,200
Speaker 9: see as a world impomissing people, world historical people. He

2913
02:50:54,360 --> 02:50:57,800
Speaker 9: also stressed the centrality of the history that thought.

2914
02:50:57,879 --> 02:51:01,240
Speaker 1: Right there, Doctor Gregosopher mons our last break. I'll let

2915
02:51:01,280 --> 02:51:03,520
Speaker 1: you pick up that when we get back. Family, YouTube

2916
02:51:03,560 --> 02:51:05,600
Speaker 1: can check in with us and speak with doctor Karengka

2917
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:08,480
Speaker 1: discussing black history. What are your thoughts eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: to five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll get you

2919
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:13,200
Speaker 1: in take your phone calls at twenty three minutes away

2920
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:14,760
Speaker 1: from the top of the out. We'll do that next

2921
02:51:14,879 --> 02:51:17,200
Speaker 1: and grand rising family, and thanks for following us on

2922
02:51:17,320 --> 02:51:20,360
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning with our guest a doctor Milana Krengo,

2923
02:51:20,440 --> 02:51:24,360
Speaker 1: one of our top scholars and also the creative Quansa

2924
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,080
Speaker 1: and also a grill in our community. Before we left,

2925
02:51:27,120 --> 02:51:29,520
Speaker 1: we talked we as responding to a question from Carl

2926
02:51:29,600 --> 02:51:32,560
Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach and Florida. Let me remind you

2927
02:51:33,080 --> 02:51:35,200
Speaker 1: join us tomorrow for our open Phone Friday program is

2928
02:51:35,240 --> 02:51:36,840
Speaker 1: when we give you a chance to free your mind

2929
02:51:36,879 --> 02:51:38,640
Speaker 1: and all that means is just a thing for yourself.

2930
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:41,480
Speaker 1: And you can start calling us at six am Eastern

2931
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:44,520
Speaker 1: time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, or

2932
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:47,280
Speaker 1: if you're in the DMV the Washington Metropolitan. Here we

2933
02:51:47,320 --> 02:51:50,520
Speaker 1: are on fourteen fifty WL. All right, doctor Krenga, I

2934
02:51:50,640 --> 02:51:53,640
Speaker 1: let you finish responding to Carl's question about Cottage Woodson.

2935
02:51:54,879 --> 02:51:57,360
Speaker 9: Oh, yes, no, I was just thank you so much, Coff,

2936
02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:02,000
Speaker 9: and thanks for the question. I was saying that, like

2937
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:06,720
Speaker 9: you know, Hydia Malcolm read him, and he puts emphasis

2938
02:52:06,879 --> 02:52:11,080
Speaker 9: on Hydia Malcolm on the cent challenge of history. But

2939
02:52:11,240 --> 02:52:14,800
Speaker 9: that's what doctor Carter does. Doctor Cardiff put stress the

2940
02:52:14,879 --> 02:52:19,000
Speaker 9: centrality of history to our studies, life and struggle. You remember,

2941
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:22,160
Speaker 9: Hydia Malcolms have all our studies. District is best prepared

2942
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:25,959
Speaker 9: to reward our research. He says that as a student

2943
02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:31,640
Speaker 9: of doctor uh, doctor Carter. Because doctor Carter says quote

2944
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:34,520
Speaker 9: I quote him here, only by careful study of the

2945
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:38,200
Speaker 9: African American himself and the life he's forced to lead

2946
02:52:38,760 --> 02:52:42,360
Speaker 9: can we arrive at the proper procedure in this crisis?

2947
02:52:42,440 --> 02:52:45,320
Speaker 9: How do we deal with our lives? You know, we

2948
02:52:45,440 --> 02:52:48,560
Speaker 9: can only do that by studying history. Again, he's talking

2949
02:52:48,600 --> 02:52:53,000
Speaker 9: about learning the lessons of history, absorbing his spirit, extracting

2950
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:56,800
Speaker 9: its models of human excellence and achievement. And practicing this

2951
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:02,480
Speaker 9: morality of the morality of remembered by meta, said doctor

2952
02:53:02,520 --> 02:53:05,360
Speaker 9: Carter meant doctor Woodson, I don't know, doctor Cardigie Wilson,

2953
02:53:05,440 --> 02:53:09,760
Speaker 9: doctor Woodson, and so he said. He emphasized studying history

2954
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:12,640
Speaker 9: to understand not only the past, but also to improve

2955
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:16,240
Speaker 9: the present and develop culturally grounded and effective ways and

2956
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:20,520
Speaker 9: means to build the future. Also, Nana Woodson wanted us

2957
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:23,880
Speaker 9: to understand ourselves in comprehensive way. First in terms of

2958
02:53:23,959 --> 02:53:26,800
Speaker 9: our seeing ourselves as I said before, as a part

2959
02:53:26,840 --> 02:53:30,360
Speaker 9: of the world historical community of African people. He wanted

2960
02:53:30,400 --> 02:53:32,920
Speaker 9: us to look beyond the ghetto vision of history which

2961
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:36,040
Speaker 9: is both limited and limiting for us. And he formed

2962
02:53:36,400 --> 02:53:40,320
Speaker 9: in his formation with his colleagues of the Association for

2963
02:53:40,400 --> 02:53:43,840
Speaker 9: the Study of Negro Now African American Life and History

2964
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:47,120
Speaker 9: in nineteen fifteen, he stated that his purpose was to

2965
02:53:47,240 --> 02:53:50,160
Speaker 9: study the people of African blood and in his first

2966
02:53:50,280 --> 02:53:53,280
Speaker 9: issue of the journal Negro History, it was in Now

2967
02:53:53,280 --> 02:53:56,800
Speaker 9: African American History in nineteen sixty he said it was

2968
02:53:56,879 --> 02:54:02,240
Speaker 9: committed to quote publishing a scholarly publishing, scholarly research and

2969
02:54:02,440 --> 02:54:05,560
Speaker 9: document on the history and culture of Africa and the

2970
02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:08,840
Speaker 9: peoples of African descent around the world. And it is

2971
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:13,959
Speaker 9: this pan African conception of engaging the life and history,

2972
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:17,800
Speaker 9: the life and history of African people, with African Americans

2973
02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:20,600
Speaker 9: at the center of their own history that forms us

2974
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:23,879
Speaker 9: ten to understand of black studies as a whole. Now,

2975
02:54:23,959 --> 02:54:27,480
Speaker 9: he was a doctor. Wilson was an activist scholar, and

2976
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:30,120
Speaker 9: he led and participated in numerous And this is what

2977
02:54:30,200 --> 02:54:33,680
Speaker 9: I'm talking to us about doing. Right. He didn't just

2978
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:36,920
Speaker 9: say these things were absent. This is what he did.

2979
02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:39,039
Speaker 9: What I'm getting ready to tell you what he did

2980
02:54:39,560 --> 02:54:42,240
Speaker 9: to correct him And that's what we've got to do. Correct,

2981
02:54:42,600 --> 02:54:45,120
Speaker 9: critique and correct. We got to critique, we know that,

2982
02:54:45,400 --> 02:54:48,240
Speaker 9: but we got to also correct, and that means practice.

2983
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:51,080
Speaker 9: And so what he did was lead and participated in

2984
02:54:51,200 --> 02:54:56,640
Speaker 9: numerous academic and community grounded activities institutionalized black history. He

2985
02:54:56,800 --> 02:55:01,119
Speaker 9: understood that he and his parties understood and as people

2986
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:06,640
Speaker 9: understood that we are fighting against a system of structures, policies,

2987
02:55:06,720 --> 02:55:10,200
Speaker 9: and practices, and that we must build an alternative and

2988
02:55:10,360 --> 02:55:16,440
Speaker 9: counteractive network of interconnected institutions and practices of resistance. And therefore,

2989
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:19,480
Speaker 9: doctor Carter Fault not only to integrate Black history in

2990
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:23,880
Speaker 9: the educational system, but also in the social lives of

2991
02:55:24,040 --> 02:55:28,080
Speaker 9: our people. And he and his colleague developed scholarly journals

2992
02:55:28,160 --> 02:55:32,959
Speaker 9: for the academics, but more accessible literature for the everyday person.

2993
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:38,240
Speaker 9: He trained teachers, started history study clubs, used the media,

2994
02:55:38,680 --> 02:55:44,040
Speaker 9: published scholarly and popular books and articles. He involved community elders,

2995
02:55:44,320 --> 02:55:48,720
Speaker 9: community leaders, and organizations of various kinds and various activities.

2996
02:55:49,080 --> 02:55:55,280
Speaker 9: And he encouraged documentation and activities of remembrance, reflection, and

2997
02:55:55,440 --> 02:55:59,400
Speaker 9: shared commitment, even with your own family. Your own family

2998
02:55:59,760 --> 02:56:05,640
Speaker 9: is historically worthy of being documented. Do that, but especially

2999
02:56:05,800 --> 02:56:09,840
Speaker 9: think of yourself and world historical way. In addition, doctor

3000
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:14,800
Speaker 9: Wison emphasized deliberational function and power of historical knowledge that

3001
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:20,279
Speaker 9: anchored a comprehensive and liberational relevant education. As an educator,

3002
02:56:20,480 --> 02:56:23,680
Speaker 9: he advocated education as a practice and promise of freedom,

3003
02:56:24,280 --> 02:56:28,680
Speaker 9: education as a practice and promise of freedom, stressing that

3004
02:56:28,879 --> 02:56:31,360
Speaker 9: free in of mind is key to freeing the whole

3005
02:56:31,440 --> 02:56:34,400
Speaker 9: of our life. He states, I quote him here quote

3006
02:56:34,600 --> 02:56:38,120
Speaker 9: the opponents of freedom and social justice decided to work

3007
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:42,360
Speaker 9: out a program which would enslave the black person's mind

3008
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:46,080
Speaker 9: inasmuch as the freedom of the body can to be conceited.

3009
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:49,640
Speaker 9: But this freedom, he said, it's only nominal. This is

3010
02:56:49,720 --> 02:56:52,960
Speaker 9: a word nomina, not real freedom. And so he calls

3011
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:57,480
Speaker 9: on us to take responsibility to free ourselves and be ourself.

3012
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:00,920
Speaker 9: And he tells us quote, the race will free itself

3013
02:57:00,959 --> 02:57:04,240
Speaker 9: from explouda just as soon as it decides to do so.

3014
02:57:04,959 --> 02:57:08,480
Speaker 9: No one else can accomplish this act for the race.

3015
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:12,480
Speaker 9: It must plan and do for itself. And he likewise

3016
02:57:12,520 --> 02:57:15,760
Speaker 9: tells us in this book this is miseducation. That's why

3017
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:20,400
Speaker 9: he writes out his historiography and his philosophy of education empedagogic.

3018
02:57:20,959 --> 02:57:23,959
Speaker 9: He likewise tells us we are both anchored and obligated

3019
02:57:24,440 --> 02:57:27,320
Speaker 9: by the achievements of our ancestors, who, in spite of

3020
02:57:27,400 --> 02:57:30,960
Speaker 9: the most savage I said, the most savage oppression, defied

3021
02:57:31,000 --> 02:57:36,000
Speaker 9: the profits of doom and quote, enroll themselves among the great. Thus,

3022
02:57:36,120 --> 02:57:39,800
Speaker 9: he concludes saying to us, quote to you, then like

3023
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:43,560
Speaker 9: to you. Then comes the challenge of what you would

3024
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:47,800
Speaker 9: do and building the fund the foundation that our ancestors

3025
02:57:47,879 --> 02:57:51,080
Speaker 9: have laid. And if we do not take hold where

3026
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:55,160
Speaker 9: they left off and advance further in the service of

3027
02:57:55,280 --> 02:57:59,560
Speaker 9: truth and justice, we are unworthy to claim descent from

3028
02:57:59,600 --> 02:58:03,520
Speaker 9: such a noble people. Unquote. I tasked. Finally, he said,

3029
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:08,480
Speaker 9: and I'm challenge is not to try to duplicate the

3030
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:12,760
Speaker 9: greatness of our ancestors, but both to imbibe the spirit

3031
02:58:12,920 --> 02:58:16,160
Speaker 9: of these great men and women and answer the pleasant

3032
02:58:16,280 --> 02:58:20,680
Speaker 9: call of duty with equal nobleness of soul, and there

3033
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:25,160
Speaker 9: to give humanity something new, and we call that something

3034
02:58:25,240 --> 02:58:26,600
Speaker 9: new and inclusive.

3035
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:30,960
Speaker 1: Good, all right, twelve away from the top. I take

3036
02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:34,000
Speaker 1: some more calls with doctor Krenga. Dorothy's joining us. Dorothy's

3037
02:58:34,040 --> 02:58:37,360
Speaker 1: online once she's called from Los Angeles, Grand Rising, Dorothy,

3038
02:58:37,400 --> 02:58:38,359
Speaker 1: You're on with doctor.

3039
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:43,160
Speaker 25: Krenga, Grand Rising to both with you. I wanted to

3040
02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:49,039
Speaker 25: mention that Jesse Jackson, Reverend Jesse Jackson was also involved

3041
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:55,800
Speaker 25: in the campaign to award Japanese Americans reparations that was

3042
02:58:55,920 --> 02:59:00,720
Speaker 25: part of his nineteen eighty eight presidential campaign, and because

3043
02:59:00,800 --> 02:59:05,800
Speaker 25: of his efforts, he stated, if the Japanese Americans received

3044
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:09,560
Speaker 25: reparations because of the harm that was done them in

3045
02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:12,720
Speaker 25: World War Two in tournament camps, it will pave the

3046
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:16,960
Speaker 25: way for African Americans. And because of his work, Regan

3047
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:22,800
Speaker 25: signed a bill into legislation that awarded the reparations to

3048
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:27,480
Speaker 25: Japanese Americans. So it wasn't just Mervin Dimeley. Reverend Jesse

3049
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:30,920
Speaker 25: Jackson also had a big part of that effort.

3050
02:59:31,080 --> 02:59:34,560
Speaker 9: Thank you so much, Abel pre tell what you said.

3051
02:59:34,680 --> 02:59:37,959
Speaker 9: Thanks so much for you bringing that out, Jarthy. It's

3052
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:41,160
Speaker 9: always a collective people, and we haven't even mentioned the

3053
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:44,680
Speaker 9: other people that were involved. I'm sure John Conyers was nine.

3054
02:59:44,680 --> 02:59:47,200
Speaker 9: I should say, none of John Conyers. So I know

3055
02:59:47,800 --> 02:59:52,360
Speaker 9: again it's not just always, it's always somebody else. It's

3056
02:59:52,480 --> 02:59:57,760
Speaker 9: always the collective. And it's not just Jesse, Reverend Jackson,

3057
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:04,680
Speaker 9: Jess Jackson by himself, or congressmen and senator the rest.

3058
03:00:05,440 --> 03:00:10,000
Speaker 9: Murvy had so many titles. Rvin Dyning by himself, none

3059
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:13,280
Speaker 9: of Levin Dyne. It's the staff and all the people

3060
03:00:13,360 --> 03:00:16,320
Speaker 9: that work with them and us that support him and

3061
03:00:16,480 --> 03:00:19,920
Speaker 9: what he's doing. It's also the Black community that they

3062
03:00:20,040 --> 03:00:23,680
Speaker 9: represent that they're doing that they'll represent the best of us.

3063
03:00:24,280 --> 03:00:28,800
Speaker 9: I really want us to see our leaders always in community,

3064
03:00:29,440 --> 03:00:33,279
Speaker 9: in our community and support of our leaders and remembering

3065
03:00:33,360 --> 03:00:36,200
Speaker 9: this history. So again, Dorothy, thank you so much for

3066
03:00:36,320 --> 03:00:37,480
Speaker 9: that best key.

3067
03:00:38,320 --> 03:00:41,080
Speaker 1: Right, and let me ask you this question for you, doctor,

3068
03:00:41,400 --> 03:00:43,040
Speaker 1: Thank you again. Dorothy had ten away from the top

3069
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:45,880
Speaker 1: there earlier were having the conversation with some of our

3070
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:49,960
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in Ghana who're trying to repatriate in Ghana.

3071
03:00:50,320 --> 03:00:53,039
Speaker 1: And recently, I think last week of the Ghanaian government

3072
03:00:53,200 --> 03:00:56,160
Speaker 1: changed the requirements for citizenship. Now they're putting up some

3073
03:00:56,400 --> 03:00:59,560
Speaker 1: roadblocks and hurdles for our folks who want to, you know,

3074
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:03,520
Speaker 1: become a citizens. And one of our callers calling the student,

3075
03:01:03,560 --> 03:01:05,760
Speaker 1: I want to know what you thought about the changeing

3076
03:01:05,840 --> 03:01:08,440
Speaker 1: requirements for repatuation into Ghana.

3077
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:12,959
Speaker 9: Well, be said what you said. If I'm saying correctly,

3078
03:01:15,360 --> 03:01:20,120
Speaker 9: it's a complicated issue, and I think that they should

3079
03:01:20,200 --> 03:01:23,199
Speaker 9: not do those things, that they should keep the welcome

3080
03:01:23,280 --> 03:01:27,720
Speaker 9: and addedude of the founding father of Donna the modern

3081
03:01:27,800 --> 03:01:33,199
Speaker 9: Ghana State, uh Sai nana O, Saji, eful Kwame and Krumer,

3082
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:37,440
Speaker 9: who said, we're not African because we were born in Africa,

3083
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:40,240
Speaker 9: but because Africa was born in US, and that we

3084
03:01:40,480 --> 03:01:43,640
Speaker 9: must unite the African people all over the world. And

3085
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:49,320
Speaker 9: he welcomed us. One of the places that Hiji and

3086
03:01:49,360 --> 03:01:52,320
Speaker 9: Malcolm went and when the places in Maya Angelo went,

3087
03:01:53,000 --> 03:01:56,320
Speaker 9: I was ground themselves in Ghana. Ghana was just so

3088
03:01:56,440 --> 03:01:59,959
Speaker 9: important to us, you know, and I think it should

3089
03:02:00,040 --> 03:02:03,039
Speaker 9: continue to play that role, and I'm sad to hear

3090
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:08,879
Speaker 9: that it's moving to precious in the world maybe from

3091
03:02:08,920 --> 03:02:11,640
Speaker 9: the US. We have to look into it right in

3092
03:02:11,800 --> 03:02:16,680
Speaker 9: terms of that, because I always look for the Aryan

3093
03:02:16,760 --> 03:02:21,519
Speaker 9: hand when everything goes wrong and you can't see imagine

3094
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:23,960
Speaker 9: it's the Aryan hand. When I say the Aryan, I

3095
03:02:24,040 --> 03:02:26,440
Speaker 9: mean the white hand, you know. So I think it's

3096
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:29,360
Speaker 9: very important for us to resist that. But the main

3097
03:02:29,480 --> 03:02:33,480
Speaker 9: thing is to ask why, and to struggle with people

3098
03:02:33,840 --> 03:02:36,920
Speaker 9: who disagree with the government on that and see if

3099
03:02:36,959 --> 03:02:40,320
Speaker 9: there's oppositional people and see how we can support those

3100
03:02:40,720 --> 03:02:45,000
Speaker 9: and to build pat Africans and not simply recognize Africa

3101
03:02:45,120 --> 03:02:49,440
Speaker 9: when something goes wrong, but recognize Africa when things go right. Also.

3102
03:02:49,879 --> 03:02:53,000
Speaker 9: That's so important for me too, all right. I had

3103
03:02:53,040 --> 03:02:57,040
Speaker 9: away from that, I didn't get a chance to just

3104
03:02:57,240 --> 03:03:01,360
Speaker 9: praise Reverend Jack and for all the good work he's

3105
03:03:01,440 --> 03:03:03,880
Speaker 9: done to out I mean, I really appreciate him. I

3106
03:03:03,959 --> 03:03:06,400
Speaker 9: called him not too long ago. You know, he's ill,

3107
03:03:06,520 --> 03:03:10,160
Speaker 9: but he's still you know, like feel strong and and

3108
03:03:10,840 --> 03:03:13,520
Speaker 9: try to stay aware of things. And it's just nice

3109
03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:16,240
Speaker 9: that he's given so much to us as a people.

3110
03:03:16,280 --> 03:03:18,240
Speaker 9: And again, thank your doughty.

3111
03:03:17,959 --> 03:03:19,360
Speaker 15: For them all right?

3112
03:03:19,879 --> 03:03:22,960
Speaker 1: Uh shiveing away from the top, d Miss Richardson and Bethesda, Maryland.

3113
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:25,080
Speaker 1: Can you make it quick for us? Your question for doctor.

3114
03:03:24,879 --> 03:03:29,960
Speaker 7: Karenga Ran Rising.

3115
03:03:30,480 --> 03:03:33,240
Speaker 11: I want to say that because that's what our black

3116
03:03:33,320 --> 03:03:37,600
Speaker 11: community means, doctor Kaurna, and you are blessing. I always

3117
03:03:37,720 --> 03:03:41,520
Speaker 11: listen to you, and doctor I mean the late Neely Fuller,

3118
03:03:41,640 --> 03:03:44,879
Speaker 11: you to take my heart. But I just want to say,

3119
03:03:44,879 --> 03:03:48,040
Speaker 11: because Carl says ton of going, uh, do you feel

3120
03:03:48,120 --> 03:03:52,279
Speaker 11: that we need discipline and self esteem with our own people?

3121
03:03:52,320 --> 03:03:55,280
Speaker 11: Because they are out here calling each other? You know,

3122
03:03:55,640 --> 03:03:58,760
Speaker 11: it's not right what they're doing now and they get

3123
03:03:59,080 --> 03:04:01,959
Speaker 11: all this stuff with their clothes and tearing them.

3124
03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:05,440
Speaker 7: Up and where you see all their backsides out?

3125
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:06,320
Speaker 9: The question is.

3126
03:04:06,320 --> 03:04:09,160
Speaker 11: Out, what is going to happen to our rest? Because

3127
03:04:09,240 --> 03:04:13,520
Speaker 11: I feel we need discipline self esteem with our black

3128
03:04:13,640 --> 03:04:17,160
Speaker 11: folks particularly they need to grow that they have no

3129
03:04:17,320 --> 03:04:20,520
Speaker 11: discipline in the home and the parents that don't even

3130
03:04:20,560 --> 03:04:22,520
Speaker 11: have the skills to be a parent.

3131
03:04:22,680 --> 03:04:23,680
Speaker 15: So what do we do?

3132
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:26,199
Speaker 1: All right, let's give me a chance to respond.

3133
03:04:26,280 --> 03:04:27,560
Speaker 7: Thank you all right?

3134
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:27,840
Speaker 23: Thank you.

3135
03:04:31,160 --> 03:04:33,680
Speaker 9: The hub and hinge on which all of this turns

3136
03:04:33,800 --> 03:04:39,760
Speaker 9: system is our rebuilding community that strengthens our family and

3137
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:44,119
Speaker 9: help us to raise the children as a community. Remember,

3138
03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:47,040
Speaker 9: people like to say that phrase takes a village to

3139
03:04:47,160 --> 03:04:50,439
Speaker 9: raise a child. The word is it takes a community

3140
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:54,439
Speaker 9: to raise a child. And we need to have support

3141
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:59,280
Speaker 9: system to help us to raise our children and rightful

3142
03:04:59,520 --> 03:05:03,480
Speaker 9: and good and beautiful ways and promising ways. And I

3143
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:07,320
Speaker 9: think it's a collective work. And your right discipline is important,

3144
03:05:07,879 --> 03:05:10,960
Speaker 9: discipline of heart and mind. And who see it the

3145
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:14,320
Speaker 9: sacred text of ancient Egypt, He says, those who can

3146
03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:18,920
Speaker 9: master the heart and mind has equivalents of all the teachings,

3147
03:05:19,120 --> 03:05:22,760
Speaker 9: all the teachings, because every virtue you want to achieve

3148
03:05:23,360 --> 03:05:26,480
Speaker 9: and every vice you want to avoid depends upon you

3149
03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:30,000
Speaker 9: mastering the heart and mind. And we want to cultivate

3150
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:33,640
Speaker 9: in them a life of the mind and cultivating them

3151
03:05:33,959 --> 03:05:37,720
Speaker 9: a look to the future, and a cultivating them as

3152
03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:43,400
Speaker 9: doctorin mendm clebton taught us, gives them a wide sense

3153
03:05:43,480 --> 03:05:50,119
Speaker 9: of themselves and help them to achieve, never diminish their

3154
03:05:50,320 --> 03:05:54,880
Speaker 9: zeal to grow and to know and to bild. Help

3155
03:05:54,959 --> 03:05:57,800
Speaker 9: them to do that, show them the other. And here

3156
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:00,880
Speaker 9: I like I always think about what Hadji Malcolm said

3157
03:06:00,879 --> 03:06:04,000
Speaker 9: about Messenger Mohamed when he was talking about one way

3158
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:06,840
Speaker 9: to teach. You can teach by telling people not to drink,

3159
03:06:06,879 --> 03:06:10,560
Speaker 9: do not to drink the glass of dirty water. But

3160
03:06:10,680 --> 03:06:13,760
Speaker 9: a more important lesson was put a clean glass of water,

3161
03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:17,720
Speaker 9: buy it, and teach them to appreciate that. And most

3162
03:06:17,800 --> 03:06:20,800
Speaker 9: of the time they would choose that themselves before you

3163
03:06:20,879 --> 03:06:24,320
Speaker 9: even talk, as opposed to a dirty glass. So let's

3164
03:06:24,400 --> 03:06:27,000
Speaker 9: put something in front of them that they can embrace

3165
03:06:27,080 --> 03:06:29,960
Speaker 9: and love. Thank you so much for this car know

3166
03:06:30,040 --> 03:06:34,240
Speaker 9: way how the time. Thank you always for the word hocken.

3167
03:06:34,280 --> 03:06:35,000
Speaker 1: Folks follow you.

3168
03:06:36,560 --> 03:06:42,080
Speaker 9: You can. The website is US Dash Organization dot or

3169
03:06:42,760 --> 03:06:47,600
Speaker 9: us us dot. I mean dash US dash Organization dot

3170
03:06:47,800 --> 03:06:53,760
Speaker 9: org again, US Dash Organization dot or. That's how they

3171
03:06:53,800 --> 03:06:57,280
Speaker 9: can reach us. History month.

3172
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Speaker 1: To all of you, sir, and thank you for all

3173
03:07:00,360 --> 03:07:02,600
Speaker 1: the chieve done for us, all all the information you

3174
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:04,400
Speaker 1: share with this morning, and all that you've done for

3175
03:07:04,480 --> 03:07:08,039
Speaker 1: us over the years. I want to appreciate. We appreciate you, Doctor.

3176
03:07:07,879 --> 03:07:10,400
Speaker 9: Karinga, appreciate you. Thanks so much.

3177
03:07:11,080 --> 03:07:13,039
Speaker 7: We do it together, all.

3178
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:16,680
Speaker 1: Right, family, That's it. Classes dismiss stay strong, stay positive,

3179
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:19,560
Speaker 1: please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning. Six o'clock

3180
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:22,800
Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB, and also

3181
03:07:22,840 --> 03:07:28,000
Speaker 1: on the TMV on fourteen fifty WOL. Where information is power,