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Speaker 1: at here, Eddie. I want you to ask me a question.

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Speaker 3: Alec Pierce might be the better player, but he's not

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Speaker 3: If a team signs, you know, Daniel Jones or Alec Pierce,

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Speaker 1: For nothing other than the player that they're letting go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Year, understood, which is again transitional, right, and you're right

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Speaker 1: You could say this, You could say for Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: the other side. You know, Eddie, occasionally you hear ads,

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Speaker 1: from email lists. And perhaps what I should have been

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Speaker 1: doing was looking at Indiana's upcoming schedule. They've got Minnesota

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Speaker 1: coming up on Wednesday, then they close out the regular

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Speaker 1: Big Ten season at Ohio State on Saturday. Now, Joe

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Speaker 1: Lonardi and I do believe that these things are usually

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Speaker 1: pretty accurate. Has Indiana listed as the last team in

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Speaker 1: but that was before I believe their game yesterday against

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Speaker 1: Michigan State joining us Now. The guy that was on

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Speaker 1: the call for that Indiana inside IU Basketball tonight at

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Speaker 1: seven five on this radio station voice of the Hoosiers

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Speaker 1: is Don Fisher DoD I'm gonna begin with this yesterday's

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Speaker 1: game with Michigan State, and notably Indiana's scoring drought towards

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Speaker 1: the second half of that game. Did that tell you

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Speaker 1: more or was that more on Indiana or was that

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Speaker 1: a credit to Michigan State.

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Speaker 5: Well, probably a combination of both, Jake. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: no question Michigan State's a really good basketball team. Probably

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Speaker 5: you know, at this point they're going to be one

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Speaker 5: of the teams to get a double buy in the

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Speaker 5: Big Tang Tournament. They are playing extremely well right now.

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Speaker 5: Pears was tremendous in that contest last night, and the

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Speaker 5: rest of their team plays their roles really, really well.

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Speaker 5: So end Time is of course, as a Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame coach, without questioning, one of the best in the

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Speaker 5: country and certainly among the best in the country.

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Speaker 4: And I look at it this way.

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Speaker 5: From Indiana's perspective right now, that was a tough loss.

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Speaker 5: But they played well, they competed, they played right down

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Speaker 5: to the end of the ball game. They gave themselves chances,

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Speaker 5: they couldn't quite get over the hump. I just liked

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Speaker 5: what I saw again from Indiana last night over the

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Speaker 5: previous three games, of which they got blown out twice

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Speaker 5: and then northwester beat them at a tightly played game,

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Speaker 5: But that was a brutal loss of the sense of

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Speaker 5: what it means to the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 1: Bit.

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Speaker 5: So all I can tell you right now, Jake, is

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Speaker 5: that I know this team is floundering a little bit.

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Speaker 5: They've got a four game losing skid. They've they've struggled

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Speaker 5: to shoot the basketball consistently. They're getting almost nothing from

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Speaker 5: their bench right now. They got nothing last night in

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Speaker 5: that ball game, and that's got to change. But at

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Speaker 5: the same time, they're so limited in a couple of

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Speaker 5: areas and they don't do the shooting aspect of it,

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Speaker 5: and don't do that really well. That causes them major problems.

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Speaker 5: And certainly again last night, when they get into a

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Speaker 5: drought of any kind, it usually factors in big.

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Speaker 1: Time if you were to examine it don in terms

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Speaker 1: of Darren DeVries and going to that bench and in games,

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Speaker 1: is he not getting like yesterday, was he not getting

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Speaker 1: great production from his bench because he hasn't maybe utilized

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Speaker 1: them enough to get them at this point into that

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Speaker 1: in those moments, or is it the other way around,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't used them enough because they just have not

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Speaker 1: consistently given him depth when he's needed it over the

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Speaker 1: course of the season.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think as the second half of the season,

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Speaker 5: I would argue that the bench has not been very

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Speaker 5: productive period and therefore, at one point or at some point,

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Speaker 5: you lose trust or confidence in that side of the

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Speaker 5: of the of the package, so to speak. And honestly,

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Speaker 5: I think right now that's the biggest issue. I think

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Speaker 5: there are guys that are playing coming off the bench

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Speaker 5: that have struggled. Taytan Conorway has not been the same

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Speaker 5: guy since probably a month ago, without doubt. Trent Sisley,

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Speaker 5: the freshman he is, really doesn't look like he's very

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Speaker 5: confident when he goes out on the floor, and that's

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Speaker 5: a problem because I think that kid can play. I

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Speaker 5: just think right now he sit that freshman wall, so

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Speaker 5: to speak. And that's hard to recover from sometimes, and

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Speaker 5: that's been kind of the case with him. So the

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Speaker 5: one guy that is coming in there and at least

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Speaker 5: giving him strong minutes the defensive end of the floor

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Speaker 5: is Josia Miles. He's got a lot more playing time

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Speaker 5: of Blake. But they're really a limited basketball team right now.

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Speaker 4: And you can see.

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Speaker 5: Where Sam Alexis has made a big improvement in his

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Speaker 5: play here in the last half of the Seasoned Bailey

510
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Speaker 5: has gone the other way, has not gotten better or

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Speaker 5: has not played his best here in the last ten

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Speaker 5: ball games or so. So it's a team right now.

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Speaker 5: And we said this at the very beginning that this

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Speaker 5: was a team that was going to be limited in

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Speaker 5: some areas, and the size factor has played a big,

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Speaker 5: big role as why they have not been as successful

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Speaker 5: as you had hoped down the stretch of this ballgame,

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Speaker 5: the ball.

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Speaker 1: Of the Season inside IU Basketball with Don Fisher tonight

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Speaker 1: seven oh five on this station, Don, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've really asked you about this

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the coaching for Indiana in the past,

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Speaker 1: there have been times where you know myself, probably a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, but where I've been critical of coaching

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Speaker 1: in Indiana, and then I look back on it and

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Speaker 1: I say, you know, I jumped the gun there because

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Speaker 1: I frankly didn't know what I was talking about, or

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Speaker 1: I didn't you know, I didn't have enough insight as

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Speaker 1: to what I was talking about. And you try to

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Speaker 1: learn from those things. But and in that regard Darren Devrees,

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Speaker 1: we've now seen him twenty nine games. You have been

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Speaker 1: around it more so or closer to than most. And

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Speaker 1: what I know is this, you know, I did talk

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Speaker 1: to Ryan Carr about his taking that job. You and

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Speaker 1: I talked about it last week, and Ryan said, Jake,

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Speaker 1: when you look at this roster and the way that

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Speaker 1: they had to put it together, what Darren Derees has done,

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Speaker 1: in Ryan's opinion, he said, you know, has been tremendous

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Speaker 1: to even put this team together to the point where

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Speaker 1: they're in tournament discussion. And Ryan seemed to be very

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Speaker 1: very high on Darren Derez and his coaching acumen and

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Speaker 1: his understanding of the game. What kind of coach is

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Speaker 1: he done? And do you concur with that sentiment and observation?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 5: I believe that he's a really good basketball coach. I

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Speaker 5: think he did the best that he could in the

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Speaker 5: portal to get a new he had to replace everybody,

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Speaker 5: so literally, he had to go back out there and

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Speaker 5: find the guys that fit his criteria what he's looking

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Speaker 5: for in players. And if you look at this roster,

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Speaker 5: this roster is basically they are they are They are

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Speaker 5: mid major players. They are not Big ten caliber players

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Speaker 5: in most of these cases. And I don't say that

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Speaker 5: negatively about the kids.

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Speaker 4: That they are who they are and where they have played.

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Speaker 5: And one of the reasons I think they've struggled here

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Speaker 5: in the last half of the season at times has

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Speaker 5: been that very reason. They are playing in Power for

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Speaker 5: or Power five B, whatever they call it now, they're

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Speaker 5: playing against teams that have been put together by these

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Speaker 5: coaches that have been around for a while, that kind

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Speaker 5: of thing. Uh, And this team wasn't put together the

564
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Speaker 5: same Some of these teams have been put together simply

565
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Speaker 5: because they had to replace everybody. And when you replace

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Speaker 5: everybody with mid major players, and these kids are all

567
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Speaker 5: hard workers, and they bust their butts and they play

568
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Speaker 5: as well as they can, but they're limited and they're

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Speaker 5: limited in the size factor. They're limited in the physical

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Speaker 5: aspect of it. They're just not as talented as some

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Speaker 5: of the teams that they've faced this year, as a

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Speaker 5: lot of the teams that they've faced this year. And therefore,

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Speaker 5: I agree at one hundred percent with what Ryan's saying,

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Speaker 5: because he's gotten as much out of this ball club

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Speaker 5: as I thought he probably could, especially after judging what

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Speaker 5: the rest of the league looked like after we got

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Speaker 5: into the Big Ten season. In a real way, when

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Speaker 5: you look at it from that perspective alone, I think

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Speaker 5: he's done a remarkable job in that sense, but certainly

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Speaker 5: they're not getting quite what they need right now to

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Speaker 5: win the ball games, especially against the upper level competitors

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Speaker 5: that they've been facing.

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Speaker 1: Don Firsher is my guest. He's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Don. In conclusion, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this earlier and I wanted your thought on it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're around or aware of the personnel and the personalities

587
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Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers to an extent, and so and

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Speaker 1: we know, I think everybody in this market knows about

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton and his overall positivity and how you know,

590
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Speaker 1: I've had people over at the Pacers tell me, you know,

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Speaker 1: he walks in and kind of lifts everybody just with

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Speaker 1: his overall spirit and vibe and positive nature. And it

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Speaker 1: took me a while to have this epiphany, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you because you know a little bit

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Speaker 1: about both guys. Is Fernanda Mendoza the football version of

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton and the fact that he has this overwhelming

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Speaker 1: optimism about him that is then literally just gravitates towards

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Speaker 1: his teammates and kind of lifts everybody. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was outstanding at the combine and kind of setting the

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Speaker 1: narrative and deflecting any critique about him, and you just

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Speaker 1: want to be around the guy and that's part of

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Speaker 1: what makes him a great player. Have you observed that

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Speaker 1: as well? Well?

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Speaker 5: I just think Fernando Mendoza just a phenomenal person. He's

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Speaker 5: a great football player, There's no doubt about that. What

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Speaker 5: he got from Kurt Signetti this year and the coaching

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Speaker 5: staff to improve his game and how he did it,

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Speaker 5: which means he went to work on the problems that

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Speaker 5: he was having from his previous stints at California, maybe

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Speaker 5: even out coming out of high school at that point,

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Speaker 5: because he was not the player this past year that

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Speaker 5: he's been previously in his career. He became a great

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Speaker 5: football player this year because of what those coaches did

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Speaker 5: to help him realize what he was capable of, and

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Speaker 5: then he went out and worked his tail off to

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Speaker 5: get it done. And so when I look at it

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Speaker 5: from Fernando's perspective, he is a great personality, number one.

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Speaker 5: And I say that in the sense of how he

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Speaker 5: treats his teammates, how he deflects everything towards his teammates

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Speaker 5: in a positive way, that they were as much responsible,

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Speaker 5: if not more so than he. I just think that

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Speaker 5: that kind of humility, it transfers over to the rest

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Speaker 5: of the team and it gives them the feeling that

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Speaker 5: as good as this guy is, and we know how

625
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Speaker 5: good he is, why would we not try to be

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Speaker 5: that way as well? And I think that just I

627
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Speaker 5: think it's just a major reason why. And it's and

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Speaker 5: from the Tyree Haliburton standpoint, I think that's a great observation.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're very much the same kind of player.

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Speaker 5: I think their personalities are a little bit different, but

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Speaker 5: I think they're the same kind of people. And when

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Speaker 5: you get the leader like that, you've got something special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it spoke volumes. When the guy wins

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Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy and his teammates are there with him

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Speaker 1: and he seemingly I thought it was genuine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he wanted those guys to hold and handle and lift

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Speaker 1: up that trophy as much as he did, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like for him, it was

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Speaker 1: like it was a team award, which was very impressive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right. I mean that's that kind of humility

641
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 5: is rare these days and athletes and I'm not saying

642
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 5: that there aren't lots of athletes that are humble, but

643
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Speaker 5: I am saying that it's rare that they deflect to

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Speaker 5: their team all the positiveness. And that's what he does.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's not a guy that takes credit for anything,

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Speaker 5: and from that standpoint alone, that brings everybody together. It

647
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Speaker 5: doesn't matter how much money you're making at il and

648
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Speaker 5: all those kinds of things these days, if in fact,

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Speaker 5: you don't handle it properly, and man, that kid handles

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Speaker 5: as best he possibly could have it and it didn't

651
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: alienate players. It actually brought them together. And that's one

652
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Speaker 5: of the reasons this team was so successful this year.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher will be on the call. Hoosiers and Minnesota

654
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: coming up on Wednesday, and then on Saturday it is

655
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Speaker 1: in Columbus to take on Ohio State. But again inside,

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Speaker 1: I you basketball seven oh five on this radio station.

657
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Don appreciate the time as always.

658
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Speaker 5: Jake, thanks for having me. Just so you know, we're

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Speaker 5: gonna have Ryan Carr on the show tonight too. They'll

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Speaker 5: last half hour of the show, so it'll be interesting, excellent,

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 1: So Ryan Carr will be on so people can get

663
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Speaker 1: to know him and what his visions are, if you will,

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Speaker 1: for Indiana basketball. And then Don after that will go

665
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Speaker 1: out and be golfing in the rain all week long

666
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be seventy Don, but it's gonna be rainy,

667
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Speaker 1: so just watch for the light.

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Speaker 5: Now, hey, trust me, at this time of year, I

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Speaker 5: never get carried away about going and playing golf.

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Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Don appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher joining us on the program. We come back.

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Speaker 1: We will get into the other side of things in

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Speaker 1: terms of the discussion about the Big Ten. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about Purdue and what may be going on with the

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Speaker 1: Boilers and how they might have dealt a blow to Indiana.

676
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Tim Cedric, by the way, was on the call for

677
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Scott McLaughlin over the weekend as Scott McLoughlin runner up

678
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Speaker 1: after winning pole in Saint Pete Alex Polo surprise the winner.

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00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: But Tim Sendric back from of course, his departure from

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Speaker 1: Team penske back on that stand with Scott McLaughlin gonna

681
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Speaker 1: join us two thirty today, Tim Sendric joins his chap

682
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Speaker 1: coming up seventeen minutes from now. But what's going on

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Speaker 1: in wes Lofiet next? Okay, before we get into Purdue

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Speaker 1: and something that happened over the weekend involving three Big

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Speaker 1: ten teams. Eddie a clarification on franchise tag transitional tag

686
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Speaker 1: as it may or may not relate to the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I misspoke there in that opening segment of

688
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: the show about fifteen twenty minutes ago about just the

689
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: difference between transition and non exclusive tag. So they have

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Speaker 3: the three franchise tags exclusive tag meaning can't talk to

691
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Speaker 3: anybody you are strictly staying with the team that tagged you.

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Speaker 3: So if they used it on Alec Pierce, Danion Jones,

693
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Speaker 3: one of those players cannot talk to other teams. If

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Speaker 3: you use the non exclusive tag, you're still paying them

695
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Speaker 3: the same amount of money as you would if you

696
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: tag them exclusively. It's restricted free agency, so they have

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00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: the ability to negotiate with other teams. If let's say

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Speaker 3: Alec Pierce signs with the New England Patriots and the

699
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Speaker 3: Colts say, hey, we're good, we don't want to pay

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Speaker 3: you thirty million dollars a year, then the New England

701
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: Patriots have to fork over two first round picks. If

702
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: you use the transition tag, it's a cheaper alternative for

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Speaker 3: the Colts, and it's a combination of the exclusive and

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Speaker 3: the non exclusive. It takes the top ten salaries at

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Speaker 3: that said position, so it saves the Colts, you know,

706
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Speaker 3: about four million dollars on both position groups quarterback or

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Speaker 3: wide receiver. But Jones or Peers can still talk to

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Speaker 3: other teams, and if they agree to in a contract

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Speaker 3: with another team and the Colts do not match, the

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Speaker 3: Colts do not get anything in return.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So and then it comes down to which player

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Speaker 1: you can Here's the other thing that needs to be clarified.

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00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: You can only use the tag on one player. You

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00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: can't franchise tag Jones and the transitional tag. In other words,

715
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Speaker 1: you are allowed one tag. You're given a tag and

716
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: a sharpie, And when you get that sharpie, you've got

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00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: to write on that tag which label you're putting it under, franchise, transitional, exclusive,

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Speaker 1: whatever else. And then you get to pick one player

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Speaker 1: boom that it goes on. Yes for the NCAA. Now, typically,

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Speaker 1: I'm a natural cynic. Right, I'm a cynic about a

721
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: lot of things. When it comes to basketball, I'm the

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Speaker 1: biggest recruiting cnic on the planet. My buddy Mike Byron

723
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation earlier today. Byron fascinates me

724
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: because he sits around and he gets on his laptop

725
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: and comes up with all these facts and figures and

726
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: numbers and does all kinds of research, yet can't remember

727
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: to bring his wallet anywhere we go.

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Speaker 4: Go.

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00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Figure, But how about this, Eddie. In the last since

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Speaker 1: the year two thousand and one, last twenty five years,

731
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: do you know how many times Indiana has finished above

732
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: five hundred and the Big ten in basketball? And how

733
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: many years?

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00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: You say?

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00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Twenty five seven? That's exactly correct. Oh my god, you're serious,

736
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: that's exactly correct. Wow, Like and you under sold it too, right,

737
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: That's impressive. I was like, I was like, ah seven, Hey,

738
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Speaker 1: he also looked up. In terms of recruiting, Indiana's like

739
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: biggest name recruits you forget. And this is why I'm

740
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: a cynic when it comes to recruiting. Arguably, Indiana's biggest

741
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: recruit of the last ten years was Christian Lander, who

742
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: averaged like one point four assist per game in college

743
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: in a career between Indiana and Western Kentucky. Lander or

744
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: romeovill u noth. Yeah, Romeo was a bigger recruit. I

745
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: was thinking of Romeo vill because of James Boyd. They're

746
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: both they were both five star players. Yeah, Romeo Langford.

747
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: By the way, here's a a shiny penny for you,

748
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: Eddie and anybody in the listening audience. If anybody can

749
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: determine what it is that Romeo Langford is doing right now,

750
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: send it to me. If you conclusively know or can

751
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: find information on where Romeo Langford is currently presumably playing basketball,

752
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: send it to me. In March of twenty twenty six.

753
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean about. You know, Braden Smith

754
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: is a guy that a lot of people overlooked and

755
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: he's you know, may end up being the all time

756
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: NCAA assist leader. Romeo Langford had guys in candy striped

757
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: pajamas lining up around corners in sub zero temperatures for

758
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: two hours to get his autograph and he was seventeen

759
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: and I just put out an APB on him eight

760
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: years later. But what I'm not a cynic about is bracketology,

761
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: because Joel had already notably at ESPN, I mean more

762
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: often than not, when the selection Sunday comes out, you

763
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: look at it and he has, you know, sixty six

764
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: or sixty seven of the sixty eight teams, and he's

765
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: usually pretty accurate with the seating as well. Has he

766
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: outdated since last week? No, now here's the thing going

767
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: into the weekend? Okay, so this was as of Friday

768
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: evening he had his last four in as Auburn, who's

769
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: lost now two in a row, So you would think

770
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: that that bounces them out. And there, I mean Auburn's

771
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: like fifteen and fourteen. Bruce Pearl can sit up there

772
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: and talk all he wants about the fact that like

773
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Auburn deserves to get in. Bruce Pearl left when he

774
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: did so that his kid could take over and they've

775
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: been a dumpster fire. TCU, who has finished strong here.

776
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: They've won I think two or three in a row,

777
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: so they have not jeopardized that prognostication. Santa Clara, who

778
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: lost to Saint Mary's but came back and won no

779
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: crime in losing to Saint Mary's. They're going to get

780
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: in and they just beacon Zaga and then his last

781
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: team in going into Saturday, Indiana who again loses to

782
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Now this is where it gets interesting. First

783
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: four out. So these are the teams that we're sitting

784
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: there peering through the window. You know, this is like

785
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the parking lot just outside the Fashion ball. These are

786
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: the four cars that are circling around waiting and occasionally

787
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: you see some spot, you get super excited. Then you

788
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: pull up on it and you're like op smart car.

789
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: Then you know, you keep doing your laps. These are

790
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: the teams that are sitting there waiting to see if

791
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: anybody has on their reverse lights. Pitt, who lost over

792
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: the weekend, so you would think that Pitt probably is

793
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: being shuttled back into the PF Chang's lot. Right after

794
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Pitt New Mexico. Okay, they beat San Diego State, they

795
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: still have two remaining games, so they're still circling USC,

796
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: who oddly just lost their best player, who's twenty six, right,

797
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: they booted them from the program. But usc USC at

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00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: this point you would think it's done because they've lost

799
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: five in a row. They just lost to Nebraska fairly handly.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, their last two games they've lost by

801
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: an average of seventeen points. I would think USC's out. And

802
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: then Ohio State. Ohio State, going into the weekend, they

803
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: were listed as on the outside waiting to see if

804
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: Indiana had the car in reverse and waiting to boom

805
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: they go and win against Purdue. I mean that is obviously,

806
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: and they still have a match up against Indiana coming out. Yes,

807
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: and that may be that game in Columbus might be

808
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: the playing game, quite frankly for the playing game, if

809
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: you will. But you would think that that Purdue did

810
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: Indiana no solids. And the thing with Purdue I mentioned

811
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: a month ago that I wondered if Purdue wasn't falling

812
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: victim to the fact that now they are simply they've

813
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: been around so long there's just enough tape on them,

814
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: the blueprints out. Everyone knows how to beat them. I

815
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: think that's a factor. I also think realistically that a

816
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: factor when it comes to Purdue is it just looks

817
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: like a group where they have major chemistry issues they do.

818
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: They look like that. I'm not saying they have it.

819
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying they look that way. And part of that

820
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: is because they've been around for a long time together.

821
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: And then you factor in inile money. That was a

822
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: theory that I feel like now is if that theory

823
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: is incorrect, there has been little to diminish the theory

824
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: or be little of the theory. And I think Purdue,

825
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: whether it's that Braden Smith doesn't get along with other guy,

826
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he's making a lot of money. Do other

827
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: guys resent that. Have they just been around each other

828
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: enough that it just feels like Purdue. Purdue has enough

829
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: talent to overcome lackluster mindset, but they look like their

830
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: mindset has gone into the lackluster gutter. They have enough

831
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: talent that they can offset that to an extent, But

832
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: when it comes down to the brass tax and you

833
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: need efficiency in the most peak moments, they have not

834
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: practiced through it doesn't seem and they have not continued

835
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: to perfect the craft of precision when it matters most,

836
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: because it feels like you have pistons that are firing

837
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: at different times and that's not a good thing. Now,

838
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: they still have enough talent they go to the Sweet sixteen,

839
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: but it looks certainly like that window is closing on

840
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Final Four opportunity here in a year when everybody was

841
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: excited about it. Because the Final Four is here in

842
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: India obviously, so too is the NFL combined. Mike Chapel

843
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: was there for that, a lot of discussion about the Colts,

844
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: and Chapel have it with us next. So it is

845
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: never a downtime. There is no off season when it

846
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: comes to the Colts and covering them. It seems like

847
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: there is always something which is good because that means

848
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: it's that much more reason for us to talk to

849
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,439
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852
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Speaker 1: Chap joins us from CBS four and Fox fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: Michae I'll begin with this question that typically I do

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Speaker 1: this time of year as the combine starts to wind down,

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Speaker 1: and that is, did anything come out of this combine

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six that you did not anticipate going

869
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Speaker 1: into it? Is there anything new we learned that came

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Speaker 1: as a surprise.

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Speaker 6: Oh, if I had. And this is where it gets

872
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Speaker 6: in reading between the lines of what somebody says, probably

873
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Speaker 6: that Michael Pittmans probably will be in the picture for

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six. I think it's easy to write him

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Speaker 6: off because you can save twenty four million and all

876
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Speaker 6: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I got name, I.

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Speaker 6: Thought, Chris Ballard sort of said that he'll be back

879
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Speaker 6: here in some form of fashion, you know, with a restructured,

880
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 6: extending contract whatever. And then also the news that came

881
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Speaker 6: out in my mind was that the Forrest Buckner and

882
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Speaker 6: and Moody Ward for the most part plan on playing

883
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Speaker 6: next year. That's huge. That's huge. The rest of it

884
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Speaker 6: not really, Uh, the thing with with with Alec Pearce

885
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Speaker 6: and Daniel Jones and long term deals or tags and

886
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Speaker 6: all that, so much of that is is you know,

887
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Speaker 6: it's as well, I say, you know action deadlines for actions, Well,

888
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Speaker 6: we got a deadline coming up tomorrow with the franchise

889
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Speaker 6: or transition tag deadline. And then the next deadline is

890
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 6: is March eleventh, when pending free agents can contact other

891
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Speaker 6: teams to see what, you know, what's out there. So

892
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Speaker 6: you know, the really bad deadline is March eleventh to

893
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Speaker 6: get Jones and and and Pierced done. And if you

894
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Speaker 6: can't get them both done, the deadline is tomorrow or

895
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Speaker 6: you you tag one of them, and and those those

896
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Speaker 6: are big. Those are big decisions, they just are, and

897
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Speaker 6: it's it's just complicated, as they always are when you're

898
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Speaker 6: talking forty some or thirty some million dollars on guarantees

899
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Speaker 6: and all this stuff. And on one hand, the Colts

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Speaker 6: cannot let these guys, either one of them sniff the

901
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Speaker 6: open market, more so Pierce, more so Piers, because somebody's

902
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 6: gonna look at what he can bring, and you know, Buffalo,

903
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Speaker 6: Kansas City, New England, and say, man, this is what

904
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Speaker 6: we miss. Jones is a little more complicated because of

905
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Speaker 6: the Achilles. And let's be honest, he's had in his career,

906
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 6: He's had like a year and a half a really

907
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 6: good football and you know that one year in with

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Speaker 6: the Giants, was it in twenty two, the year when

909
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Speaker 6: they made the playoffs? And in this past half year

910
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 6: when they're eight and two, and you know, great guns.

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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 6: The rest of us have been either either not good

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Speaker 6: enough or injuries. So his was a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 6: But I'm telling you, if he gets the chance to

914
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Speaker 6: talk to somebody Minnesota, you think they don't don't regret

915
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 6: not re signing him or Sam Darnold, somebody will give

916
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Speaker 6: him a good offer if he gets out there. And

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Speaker 6: there's you know, there's sources the discussions that now they're

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Speaker 6: considering the transition tag.

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Speaker 1: With one of them.

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Speaker 6: I've never been ever ever been a fan of the

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Speaker 6: transition tag because it's conducive to you losing a player

922
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Speaker 6: because you get a chance to match the offer, but

923
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Speaker 6: if you don't match it, you get nothing in return.

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Speaker 6: And if I am let's say I'm the Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 6: and I really like Alex Pearce and Pierce get the

926
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Speaker 6: chance to if he's a transition player and we can

927
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Speaker 6: sign an offer sheet, I'm making that offer sheet so

928
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Speaker 6: nasty that the Colts can't match it. You have another

929
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 6: team doing your negotiations for you. I remember where I'm

930
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Speaker 6: dating myself. Back in the early nineties, they signed the Colts.

931
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Speaker 6: The Buffalo Bills put the transition tag on Will Wolford,

932
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Speaker 6: you know, and really really quality left tackle, and the

933
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Speaker 6: Colt signing and Bill Polling was here one of his

934
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Speaker 6: first couple of years. Remember it used to be the

935
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Speaker 6: Buffalo guy. And they put some kind of a poison

936
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Speaker 6: pill in the in the offer sheet to where Wolford

937
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Speaker 6: had to be the highest paid offensive player on the team. Well,

938
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Speaker 6: what the Bills couldn't do because theyd Jim Kelly and

939
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Speaker 6: the Colts didn't have that kind of a guy. So

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Speaker 6: it was really hard to do. I think they've I

941
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Speaker 6: think they've eliminated poison pills. But the fact of the

942
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Speaker 6: matter is that if somebody has the transition tag and

943
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Speaker 6: another team tries to sign him away from you, they're

944
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Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna make the offer so so that you

945
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Speaker 6: really can't can't match it.

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Speaker 1: So Chap, let me ask it is, because Eddie brought

947
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Speaker 1: this up earlier and I thought it was a very

948
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: poignant observation from Eddie. The I think it's the transition tag.

949
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Speaker 1: There is one of those, the exclusive tag. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: the exclusive tag, as I mentioned it earlier. Okay, it's

951
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Speaker 1: like when you're Christmas, you're doing your Christmas wrapping and

952
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: you get that little tag that says to and from. Okay,

953
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: so there is one tag. The Colts are allowed one tag, correct,

954
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: and they write on that too, and they write either

955
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Speaker 1: Daniel or Alec and then the Colts with their sharpie

956
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Speaker 1: label whether they're making that a franchise tag, a transitional,

957
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Speaker 1: exclusive tag, a transitional tag, and all of those different

958
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Speaker 1: things have different variation of what it would mean for

959
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Speaker 1: the Colts if they were to lose said player, or

960
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Speaker 1: in the franchise tag, they cannot lose the player, but

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Speaker 1: with the exclusive tag. If for example, Minnesota or the

962
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Speaker 1: Jets were to make an offer to Daniel Jones that

963
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Speaker 1: the Colts decide not to match, the Colts would get

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00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: two first round picks as a result. Correct. Is it

965
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Speaker 1: possible that the reason Ballard sent away two first round

966
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Speaker 1: picks is because he knew there was the possibility that

967
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Speaker 1: he would be using said tag on Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: that as a result, in a worst case scenario, he

969
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Speaker 1: would then get those picks back. And basically it would

970
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: be a sauce Gardener for Daniel Jones trade.

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Speaker 6: Not even the Cleveland Browns will give up two first

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Speaker 6: round draft picks for Daniel Jones, with all due respect,

973
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Speaker 6: that won't happen. It's and just to be clear, it's

974
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Speaker 6: the there's an exclusive franchise tag which you put on

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Speaker 6: the guy, and it's like the average of the five

976
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Speaker 6: players at that position. With Jones, it's like fifty five

977
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 6: million dollars of the exclusive. It non exclusive, it's like

978
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Speaker 6: forty three million for Jones, and he can he can

979
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Speaker 6: negotiate with somebody else and then if you don't, you

980
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 6: can even matchine it or you get two first round

981
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 6: draft picks. The transitions tag is just flat. It's like

982
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 6: it's like the average of the ten players. You can

983
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 6: match it or you lose the player. So there's three

984
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Speaker 6: three levels.

985
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: So you think if they put the exclusive tag on Jones,

986
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: that secures that they will get Jones, because no one

987
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: would be willing to part with two first round picks

988
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: in order to get him.

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00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 6: Well, they put the exclusive on him, he can't talk

990
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 6: to anybody.

991
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not whichever one it is that they get

992
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: the two picks.

993
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 6: But non exclusive, yeah, that's the one. If you want

994
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 6: to ensure that you're not going to lose a player

995
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: without paying premium premium prices, you do the non exclusive.

996
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 6: And then again again that's for Jones has forty three million,

997
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 6: so he can go out and get four years, one

998
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty million from somebody, and you can either

999
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 6: match it, which is higher than maybe what you want

1000
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 6: to pay, no, forty million whatever. But then again, if

1001
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Speaker 6: you don't match it, that team gives you two first

1002
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Speaker 6: round draft picks. And there's just I can't envision any

1003
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 6: team giving up two first round draft picks for Daniel Jones.

1004
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 6: I just and if that's the case, that would be brilliant.

1005
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 6: That's like Kevin Costner in that draft day getting your pickback.

1006
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 6: But I just and with all due respects to any

1007
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 6: GM to say, you know, I'm going to trade Sauce

1008
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 6: Gardner get up two for first round draft picks, but

1009
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 6: next March, I'm going to put the tag on Jones

1010
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 6: and we'll get those sticks back. That would be incredibly

1011
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 6: uh what's the nice word, stupid, because you're just not

1012
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 6: going to get.

1013
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Do you think that they thought Do you think the

1014
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Colts thought that retaining Daniel Jones was going to come

1015
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: with less competition than.

1016
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Speaker 6: It might probably and yes, but yes, and again I

1017
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 6: could argue each each way on which one you should

1018
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 6: you should tag the thing with Joe, And if I

1019
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 6: could only sign one, I'm going to resign Daniel Jones

1020
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 6: because you know, he's a quarterback. As much as I

1021
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 6: as much as I respect what Pierce springs. If if

1022
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 6: the quarterback doesn't work, We've seen this since since Andrew

1023
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 6: Luckfer character. If the quarterback doesn't work, you're screwed.

1024
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: You just are.

1025
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 4: And you might be.

1026
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 6: Anyway, if you know Jones doesn't make a complete recovery

1027
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 6: from the achilles, or if the first ten games were

1028
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 6: just one of those stretches that he got on. He's

1029
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 6: got to be the guy. He's got to be the

1030
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 6: guy that we saw the first ten games. And if

1031
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 6: that's the case, they're in decent shape. But that's why

1032
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 6: I just ideally you get them both signed. But if

1033
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 6: that's the case, you got to get him signed by tomorrow,

1034
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 6: so then you're not worrying about the tag. And if

1035
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 6: you tag one of them, you sure as hell better

1036
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 6: be able to sign the other one by March eleventh,

1037
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 6: which is when they can contact other teams. So it's

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Speaker 6: just going to depend on And then once you tag

1039
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 6: a guy, let's say you tag Pierce, all of a sudden,

1040
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 6: in my mind, Jones's leverage goes up because now you've

1041
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 6: got to resign him because you know, you can't put

1042
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 6: him on the market because somebody's gonna say there are

1043
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 6: teams that needs quarterbacks. I mean, again, Minnesota makes the

1044
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 6: most sense, but Miami's gonna reload, Arizona's gonna reload. Who

1045
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 6: the hell knows what Cleveland's doing. I mean, you could

1046
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 6: who knows. So that's why I say it's it's risky business,

1047
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 6: and it's interesting talk. And the Colts know what's They

1048
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 6: probably have a good idea what's going to happen. Whether

1049
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 6: they can get both guys done, I don't know. But again,

1050
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 6: if you tag one, you better be darned sure you're

1051
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 6: close enough that you're going to close the deal on

1052
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 6: the other guy. However you want to do it Jones

1053
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: for Jones, tag or tag Pierce, because all of a sudden,

1054
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 6: if you don't sign that other guy to the long

1055
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 6: term deal, you're probably gonna lose him. And they've made

1056
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 6: it very clear, I mean shouting from a bullhorn that

1057
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 6: Pearson Jones are going to be part of their team.

1058
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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six, chap Let's look forward Mike Chapel's My Guest CBS four,

1060
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Speaker 1: WXA and Fox fifty nine where you can see and

1061
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Speaker 1: read his work, and of course he is on the

1062
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Speaker 1: Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest line. Let's say it's Halloween. Okay,

1063
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: so we got the gosh, I mean that we got

1064
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Speaker 1: almost seven months before this is reality, seven and a

1065
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: half months. But it's Halloween and the kids are coming

1066
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: by the you know, the palatial chap estate there in

1067
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: the grove, and you're handing out the full sized candy

1068
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: bars as you do, and you decide, because.

1069
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Speaker 6: It's Halloween, all that stuff, what's at raison ants and

1070
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, nobody like that's.

1071
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Speaker 1: Right, So so you decide that you're going to dress

1072
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: as the Colts starting quarterback. And it's been a great year.

1073
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: The Colts are off to a good start, and their

1074
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: quarterback's healthy and the guy that everybody you know that

1075
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: gives them the best chance to win that was available

1076
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: for them when they showed up at Grand Park as

1077
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: their quarterback. You are dressed as who.

1078
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 6: Number seventeen jersey Daniel Jones. Okay, if it's anybody else,

1079
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 6: If it's anybody else, it will be a bad Halloween,

1080
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 6: it'll be bad Christmas, and will be bad for two

1081
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 6: or three years.

1082
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: Now for that reason. When you're passing out, you're raisinettes.

1083
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: There's one kid that's dressed up as the cult's best

1084
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver and you say, oh, go out in the

1085
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: yard and I'll throw you the raisinettes in your pillowcase.

1086
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: The kid runs out and you notice you look at

1087
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: the back of his jersey as he's running out, he's

1088
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: wearing the jersey of what player the best receiver that

1089
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: they will have on the rosters. Keep in mind they

1090
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: were able to retain Daniel Jones.

1091
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 6: The best is a relative term. Michael Pittman, I still

1092
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 6: think he needs to be their best receiver.

1093
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm getting at is Alex Pierce on the roster.

1094
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: Are they in a situation right now where it is

1095
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: going to be they have to keep that there? Only

1096
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: are they only going to be able to keep one

1097
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: of the two?

1098
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: No, I think they keep both.

1099
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 6: Again, it's not easy, and it's you know, it's all

1100
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 6: about leverage and all that they've gone into this. There

1101
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 6: was a quote from Chris Ballard. I think it was

1102
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 6: either a combine or one where you know, it's it's

1103
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 6: it's Jones and Pierce and then we'll work everything else

1104
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: around those two guys. It's everything is And I understand

1105
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 6: Jones has leverage one because he's a quarterback and they're

1106
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 6: eight and do and all that. But he's still coming

1107
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 6: off in Achilles. He is, So it's not like it's

1108
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 6: not like somebody can offer him two years, you know,

1109
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 6: one hundred million dollars. Maybe they can, because desperation forces

1110
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 6: guys through a lot of bad things. But but I

1111
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 6: just I just think that it in the fact that

1112
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 6: they both want to be here. Although having said that,

1113
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 6: you you go where the money is. Neither one of

1114
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 6: these guys are going to give the cultsal hometown discount.

1115
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 6: This when when when you're Alec Pierson you finally get

1116
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 6: that first free agent contract opportunity, you've got to maximize

1117
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 6: it you do. That's why the the franchise tag is

1118
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 6: the cool thing is because it's it's it's guaranteed once

1119
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 6: you once they once you signed it. It's like for

1120
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 6: for Jones, it's one years, forty seven million dollars guaranteed, guaranteed.

1121
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 6: But what players want is more more security, you know,

1122
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 6: two or three years, and I understand that. That's why

1123
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 6: I say whatever, and we've talked about it. Whenever you

1124
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 6: hear whatever Jones gets, whatever Piers gets, Let's say Piers

1125
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 6: gits four years and one hundred million dollars twenty five

1126
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 6: million a year, the only thing that matters is how

1127
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 6: much is guaranteed? Did you get forty million, fifty million,

1128
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 6: sixty million, Because whatever's not guaranteed can go away when

1129
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 6: they cut you, So it's all whatever. Someone was talking

1130
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 6: to me today at the combine, Well, how you know

1131
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 6: how many years and how it doesn't matter the years

1132
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 6: and the and the fat number at the end is

1133
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 6: what is guaranteed. That's all you got, you know that

1134
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 6: we're talking about with Pittman. And they can save twenty

1135
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 6: four million dollars and all this against the cap. That's

1136
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 6: because you can make that last year go away, and

1137
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, it wasn't a three year

1138
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 6: seventy million dollars. It was three years and fifty or

1139
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 6: forty six million dollars, which is still a pretty good deal,

1140
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 6: but it was not guaranteed that goes away. So whatever

1141
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 6: goes on, pay attention to the guaranteed money. And it's

1142
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 6: just again when a team is as transparent as the

1143
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 6: Colts are in how important their next season or two

1144
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 6: is with Pierce and Jones, and both players want to

1145
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 6: be here if the numbers fit, and that's always you know,

1146
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 6: the devil's in the details. So this isn't This doesn't

1147
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 6: start from an antagonistic point at all, but it still

1148
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 6: has to work. Like I say, Jones isn't going to

1149
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 6: come back here, Well, they gave me that chance, so

1150
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 6: I'm going to give him a car right now. Doesn't

1151
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 6: work that way and the same with Pierce, as much

1152
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 6: as he wants to be here, if he gets a

1153
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 6: chance to talk to some other team and they say,

1154
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 6: you know, we'll give you thirty thirty five million a year,

1155
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 6: which is way way too much, But it only takes

1156
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 6: one team to be crazy.

1157
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: Is there a number that would price either one of

1158
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: them out?

1159
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. With a quarterback, I don't know. With Jones,

1160
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 6: I thought forty five million. I don't know an average

1161
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 6: an average. That's why the franchise number is such a

1162
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 6: good barometer on what your average would be. Although that's

1163
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 6: awful high for that's that's high for Jones in my mind,

1164
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 6: because again he missed the last whatever seven games and

1165
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 6: he's recovering from an achilles and receivers normally. Again, Pierce

1166
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 6: is as great as he is with what he does.

1167
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 6: The most catches his head in the season. I think

1168
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 6: it's forty seven. So it's there are nuances to each situation.

1169
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 6: But if either player gets a chance to test the market,

1170
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 6: there will be eighteen. All takes is won. That will say, man,

1171
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 6: we got a chance to land Alec Pierce, We got

1172
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 6: a chance to land Daniel Jones. Even with the recovering Achilles.

1173
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 6: They'll do it, and they'll be and there's a good

1174
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 6: chance they would price the Colts out of matching it,

1175
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 6: because that's what you do, unless again it's unless it's

1176
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 6: a franchise tager. If they do. That's why I'm saying

1177
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 6: I'm against the transition tag, because teams would make it difficult,

1178
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 6: if not impossible, for you to match.

1179
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: Chap in conclusion. When I was at the Combine and

1180
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 1: then later watching it, I I'm such a cynica about

1181
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: the Combine and I want you to tell me why

1182
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I you know, I'm looking at people are

1183
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: going crazy over forty times. Oh look how slow this

1184
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: guy was. Excuse me, look how slow this guy was

1185
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: into forty time. Or look at the blazing and I'm

1186
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Jerry Rice ran a four to seven.

1187
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: I know it's a different era up to an extent.

1188
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,439
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne ran a mid four Five's right? I mean

1189
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, I think was like a four to six.

1190
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: Chris Carter, different era maybe, but I got a long

1191
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: list of guys that got standing ovations after their forty

1192
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: time that that literally they're sitting in a bar right

1193
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: now somewhere going you want to watch my forty time

1194
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: again on YouTube? Yeah? What am I missing here? I know?

1195
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 6: That's that's that's what you know. They say, well it's

1196
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 6: not important, but it is. And then who was a

1197
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 6: Cincinnati was at the first round picked John Ross every

1198
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 6: yep and Tennessee and again ad Mitchell timed out well,

1199
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 6: but the sort of Alec Pierce. I just always thought

1200
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 6: that the game tape and the guy that played four

1201
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 6: years or three years and did that that and the other.

1202
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 6: Don't you and all your all your your campus visits,

1203
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 6: don't you put more weight on that? Again? I date

1204
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 6: myself that the all time bust was Mike Mamura was

1205
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 6: a Boston College defensive end where he just offen and

1206
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 6: then gosh, three years ago, Anthony Richardson. I mean he

1207
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 6: he had numbers that may never be matched by a quarterback,

1208
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 6: and to some extent, the Colts really rely on that,

1209
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 6: relied on that. They were also pressure. There was pressure

1210
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 6: to get a quarterback, and I'm I'm confident that Jim

1211
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 6: Mersey really said, hey, we need a quarterback. And all

1212
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 6: was left at number four was was Richardson and Will Levis.

1213
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 6: As it turned out, either one would have been wrong.

1214
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 6: Uh so, yeah, I I I would take I would

1215
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 6: put more impatuses, like if what do I care what

1216
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 6: that an offensive lineman? Forty times? I want to know

1217
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 6: what his short burst is and the cones and all

1218
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 6: that stuff that's that's important to him. Uh So, yeah,

1219
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't put a lot into that, and

1220
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 6: I don't pay a lot of attention to it, especially

1221
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 6: when you we haven't got a first round draft pick.

1222
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 6: When the culture drafted in the second round, well, you

1223
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 6: know what all I look for is whether they need

1224
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 6: to redo the defensive line, they need to do redo linebacker.

1225
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 6: They're probably gonna draft offensive lineman in the fourth round

1226
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 6: because that's what you do because you're always looking.

1227
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: To have depth there.

1228
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 6: And uh and now if they were having would lose,

1229
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 6: then then all of a sudden, my second round emphasis

1230
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 6: goes on a receiver. I don't think that happens. But yeah,

1231
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 6: I don't get to been out of shape with that.

1232
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 6: But but but guys do, and God love them for

1233
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 6: doing it, because then when it comes time to evaluating

1234
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 6: players going into the draft, I pay attention to Dangle Jeremiah,

1235
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 6: Dan Brugler, those guys, those guys do the homework, and

1236
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 6: I believe in them. I trust them. Some guys not

1237
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 6: so much, but those guys are pretty on it. But

1238
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 6: I just think what you do over the course of

1239
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 6: your career and what you didn't do over the course

1240
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,959
Speaker 6: of your career, Like you know, raising red flag by

1241
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 6: for whatever inscretion, I think that should carry so much

1242
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 6: more weight. Although I tell you, we've talked to Reggie

1243
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 6: aint about when they do the position drills with the

1244
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 6: receivers and certain guys catch his eye. He was off

1245
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 6: the charts in favor of Alec Pearson. Josh is one

1246
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 6: of them, right and Josh Stawns, yes, sir and h

1247
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 6: And until last year, you know, Downs had two really

1248
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 6: good years and then last year for a lot of reasons,

1249
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 6: not quite so much. Tyler Warren really impacted Josh Downs's game.

1250
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 6: But but yeah, the year numbers. I know why they

1251
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 6: do it, But let's your eyes and lets your evaluation

1252
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 6: over the course of three or four years carry more

1253
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 6: weight than what a guy all some of those vertical

1254
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 6: jumps in like forty three inches.

1255
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: Well, and I get it, like you know here, listen

1256
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: before I'm a complete cynic that just dumps on everything.

1257
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean Omar Cooper Junior, the kid out of Launch

1258
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: North in Indiana, when they showed his vertical leap, and

1259
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: you go, okay, well that is applicable, right, I mean

1260
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: the Penn State game. Hello, you know, I mean there

1261
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: are areas where that is applicable. You know, you're starting center.

1262
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: You know they don't jump ball, you know what I mean?

1263
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so right, right, But it's a total package.

1264
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 6: And if you have two or three players that you're

1265
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 6: considering and there's not a lot between them, well then

1266
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 6: you go said, well, this guy did this at the combine,

1267
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 6: this guy did that, and then you know, probably the

1268
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 6: athleticism is maybe a tipping point. But I kind of

1269
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 6: feel that there's probably more mistakes made because you know,

1270
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 6: let's go back and look at the tape and this

1271
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 6: guy look look at it, look at the get off

1272
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 6: and all this, and like you said, Marvin Harres, we

1273
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 6: asked Marvin Harrison one time how fast he was because

1274
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 6: they didn't really tie you, and he said, I'm fast enough. Yeah,

1275
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 6: you know, like Jerry Rice, people didn't catch Jerry Rice

1276
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 6: and Reggie ran such good rafts and had a great hands,

1277
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 6: not that it was slow at all, but yeah, let's

1278
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 6: your eyes and your and your long time evaluation that

1279
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 6: your scouts who spend time with these guys listen to them.

1280
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 6: And I've always said and a lot of gems and

1281
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 6: have agreed that the combine almost the most important thing

1282
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 6: is that the medical should get from it to where

1283
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 6: you reaffirm this guy's okay from an injury, or yeah,

1284
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,520
Speaker 6: this guy had a broken something then senior in high school.

1285
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Speaker 1: Or is this tendon still really right? Heart? I mean,

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Speaker 1: all of it right, Mike Chapel, the guest Java House,

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: cole Brew Coffee guest line combine or wrap it up

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Speaker 1: and CBS four WXI in Fox with you, I not

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01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: only your coverage for that, but obviously this saga with

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: Jones Pierce, what comes of all of it. Chap will

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Speaker 1: be on top of it as always, Mike, appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: As always, you guys, We will talk about you next week.

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01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: Mike Chappel joining us. We just talked about the fact

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Speaker 1: that sometimes it's about production on field, and there was

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: just an interview done about exactly that. And the interview

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Speaker 1: actually I think shed from the top of the Salesforce tower.

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: What a mistake the Colts made with Anthony Richardson, and

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01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: the interview was done with Chris Ballard. I'll let you

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01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: know what he said next. All of the championship rounds,

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: the final four is here.

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01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 3: You forgot to turn your mind, so your entire start

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 3: of that segment. My Mike's on now it is it

1303
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 3: must not have hit then, because they definitely hit it.

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, a big year on the radar for college

1305
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: basketball in central Indiana because not only do you have

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01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: the Final four here, but Division two. You know, the

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: various levels, all of them here, they're championships in Indianapolis

1308
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: and tournaments as well. You have upcoming the kickoff. March

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: starts here, if you will, at the coliseum at the

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Speaker 1: State Fairgrounds, the Cortiva Corteva Coliseum, and May ends here.

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01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: What's that I said in March ends here too? It does.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Everything comes to well. Actually Division one,

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Speaker 1: Division two, and all of the championships are.

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Speaker 3: Here this year, Yes exactly. I don't know why I

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 3: said May, but you tell them are you thinking about

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01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: the five hundred?

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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. The tournament begins though for the

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01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Horizon League, that's the first ticket punched. That's why March

1319
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: starts here. We will talk to their commissioner. New commissioner

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Speaker 1: coming up on Thursday. Also, we have tickets to give

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: away for the Women's Big Ten Tournament, correct, Eddie, we do.

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: There'll be four packet tickets for this weekend which will

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01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: be very cool, and we will give those away between

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01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: now and the end of the show. We will give

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: away a four pack of tickets for the Women's Big

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: Ten Tournament. Todd mcshae, you remember Todd McShay obviously, Todd

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: Todd Todd Todd Todd McShay who I think really and

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: I know that he had some personal things that he

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: had to work through, but Todd mcshae had gotten to

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: the point where he was kind of alongside mel Kiper

1331
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: at ESPN as the leading analyst in Guru if you will,

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Speaker 1: of scouting players. He is now doing a podcast and

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: the podcast that he does he had on the McShay

1334
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: show is the podcast and he recently had on an

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Speaker 1: NFL executive that had this to say about the quarterback

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Speaker 1: position in the NFL coming off of college. Okay, and

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01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: you know the fact that it can be hard to evaluate,

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01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: especially like in the NIL era, maybe because guys you

1339
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to a situation it's the

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: best for them, and they're getting a contract whatever else.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: The following was said to Todd McShay. One of the

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Speaker 1: real positives I think of NIL. I truly believe that

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: if I were a quarterback, it's not about being a

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: first round pick. It's about having a career. The more

1345
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: snaps you can get in college, the better off you

1346
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: were going to be. Every kid, I don't care if

1347
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: you're the first pick in the draft. If you have

1348
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: eligibility left, stay and be prepared as you can, because

1349
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: once you enter the league, the clock starts, and if

1350
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: you have a one next year name, it starts and

1351
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: ticking twice as fast as any other player in the

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: draft's clock. So having those guys guy with play history

1353
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: and being ready, I think this NIL is going to

1354
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: be very beneficial for both quarterbacks in general, but for

1355
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: us because now if they'll do it, they will have

1356
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: longer careers. The more play experience you have, the more

1357
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: you've seen, the better chance you have for success when

1358
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: you get into our league. No one has cornered the

1359
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: market on exactly what works and what doesn't work. It

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of luck, It takes a little

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: bit of a kid who's failed and struggled. It's a

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01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: good thing because they're going to struggle at our level,

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: at our level. Excuse me, it's rare when a quarterback

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: comes in and lights it up right away. They got

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,879
Speaker 1: to fail, They got to go through some hard stuff.

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: They got to stand on the edge of the abyss

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01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: and not jump and handle it. Quote. So, in other words,

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Speaker 1: the nil is good because a guy can stay in college,

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01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: still get his money and learn. Because you need reps,

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Speaker 1: you need starts. Look at failure, you need all of that. Yeah,

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: look at Dante more with Organ Jake. That quote correct,

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Speaker 1: Dante Moore going back. He's getting the money, right, he's

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna do, get the reps. That quote, all of it

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01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: is from Chris Ballard to Todd McShay that right, there

1375
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: is a guy, and I guess I'll give him credit.

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,839
Speaker 1: But here's the thing he said out loud, the quiet

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: part that was not so quiet at the time that

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01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 1: he drafted Anthony Richardson, that everyone was saying they gave

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: him the keys to early And I know that you

1380
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: need guys to fail so that they can learn from failure.

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: But with Anthony Richardson and I get it. I get it.

1382
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: With Anthony Richardson, he fell in love with the traits,

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: he fell in love with the combine, he fell in

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01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: love with. I remember vividly being out of the combine

1385
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: and people come up and they're like, have you seen

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: the kid out of Florida, Anthony Richardson when he came

1387
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: out to do his Have you seen how big this

1388
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: guy is and the things that he did? Holy cow?

1389
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: And I remember walking with someone who would know, and

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Speaker 1: I will absolutely stand on this mountaintop and tell you this.

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: And of course, now unfortunately the person I'm about to

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Speaker 1: speak is not here to set that record straight. But

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Speaker 1: I walked out of the combine twenty three, whatever year

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01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: that was, when you had Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, Anthony Richardson,

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: Will Levis. Those were the four thought to be top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And I walked out of that combine. And for those

1397
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: that don't know, the combine and the radio row and

1398
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: the media and the interviews that are done are all

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01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: done and still are in one of the Convention Center

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Speaker 1: big conference halls that are It's right off Capital, on

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01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: the north end of Capital, closer to Lucas Oil Stadium.

1402
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: So when you walk out of it you walk down,

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: and then you go all the way down and past

1404
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: like the older area of the Convention Center, to the

1405
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: walk tunnel that goes towards the Hyatt and whatever else.

1406
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: I made that entire walk, that entire time was somebody

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01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: who knew Jim Mersay as well as anyone. Wasn't Jim Mersay,

1408
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: but it's somebody who knows him as well as anyone.

1409
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: And literally for fifty percent of that walk, the person

1410
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: was telling me how much Jim Rsay loved Will Levis,

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01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: and I was convinced that was gonna be the guy.

1412
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: And obviously they went with Richardson, and then afterwards said

1413
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: that Anthony Richardson if he was available, and the colt

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01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: said the number one pick. Of course he would have

1415
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: been because they had the number one pick. They said.

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: The colts said, if we had number one, that's who

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Speaker 1: we would have taken.

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Speaker 5: It.

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Speaker 1: We would have still taken Anthony Richardson because this is

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Speaker 1: what happened. Not only do quarterbacks need to learn from failure,

1421
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: but so too do executives. Like the failure of falling

1422
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: in love with the clock and how short an amount

1423
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: of time it ran during a forty like the failure

1424
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: of falling in love with the size and the quote

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01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: unquote arm talent and the physique and the adonnas atlas

1426
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: like nature of a player, and all of those positives

1427
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: that can come falling in love with those things, but

1428
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: not paying attention to whether or not a guy coming

1429
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: out doesn't have this quote. The more play experience you have,

1430
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: the more you've seen, the better chance you have for

1431
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 1: success when you get into our league. No one has

1432
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: cornered the market on exactly what works and what doesn't work.

1433
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 1: It takes a little bit of luck. It takes a

1434
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: little bit of a kid who's failed and struggled. It's

1435
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: a good thing because they're going to struggle at our left.

1436
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: It's rare when a quarterback comes in and lights it

1437
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: up right away. They got to fail, they got to

1438
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: go through some hard stuff. And when you are saying

1439
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: those quotes, I truly believe that if I were a quarterback,

1440
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: it's not about being a first round pick. It's about

1441
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: having a career. The more snaps you can get in college,

1442
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: the better off you're going to be. The more snaps

1443
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: you can get in college, the better off you're going

1444
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: to be. The more snaps you get in college, the

1445
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: better off you're going to be. Where Chris Ballard failed

1446
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: is he forgot his own words right there. The more

1447
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: snaps you can get in college, the better off you're

1448
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: going to be. And instead he got caught up in

1449
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: the clock. He got caught up in the clock and

1450
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: the immeasurables and the hand size and all of those things,

1451
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: and he fell in love with the intangibles, and he

1452
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: didn't heed his own And maybe maybe he's now learned

1453
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,879
Speaker 1: that when he says that players need to learn from failure,

1454
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: maybe what Chris Ballard was doing right there was admitting

1455
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard learned that so too do executives, and

1456
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: that his experiment with Anthony Richardson was a failure because

1457
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: Richardson didn't have the snaps he needed in college, because

1458
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: the Colts took him too early and handed him the keys,

1459
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't give him the chance to learn and say,

1460
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: in our league, it doesn't matter whether you are the

1461
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: first pick or a later pick. It's about reps. It's

1462
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: about practice, it's about getting to know it. It's about

1463
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: going through some stuff. And part of going through some

1464
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: stuff is being in the back of the room in

1465
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: the meeting and soaking in film. I think Jeff George

1466
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: said it best when he said, one of the biggest

1467
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: challenges and Jeff George had the arm of God right,

1468
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: But Jeff George said, when I got in the league,

1469
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: the hardest part was not the skill factor of it,

1470
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: but looking in a huddle with guys that have been

1471
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: playing in the league for ten years and expecting him

1472
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: to listen to what I was saying. I didn't have

1473
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: a lead because I'm ten years younger than these guys.

1474
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: And in Richardson's case, he not only didn't have the

1475
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: arm of God yet and the accuracy, he didn't have

1476
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: the leadership and the maturity to lead that locker room.

1477
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: And they threw him in there and threw them to

1478
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: the wolves. And they did it. They threw them in there,

1479
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 1: and they threw them to the wolves, despite the fact

1480
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: that he didn't have the more snaps in college and

1481
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: the better off he could be. That's Chris Ballard not

1482
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: only saying that quarterbacks need to proceed with caution, but

1483
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: so too do executives. Sunday, July twenty first, threw off

1484
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: Music Center. These guys that would be Santana will be

1485
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: playing along with the Doobie Brothers. That's a pretty big show.

1486
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 3: You think there's gonna be some Doobies in there and brothers,

1487
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right, sisters too, maybe sisters as well. Yeah right,

1488
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 3: we have tickets to get away for this?

1489
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Correct we do? And how would you like to do?

1490
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 6: So?

1491
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: Let's do it on the text line? Oh really? Yeah?

1492
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: So how would you Eddie like to do this? Three one,

1493
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: seven seventy is the text line number? In what fashion

1494
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: are you giving these away? Are we doing? Just simply

1495
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: first one to write in? Are we doing trivia? Are

1496
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: we doing? Are we doing our or do we do

1497
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: a keyword? QR? Oh gosh, no, no, you know we

1498
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: went to went to dinner on Saturday night. Indy car

1499
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: was this weekend. I was actually here and so after

1500
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: qualifying was done on Saturday, we went to Parks Place

1501
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: pub up in Fisher's good spot in front of the show.

1502
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: It's a great place. And you know, two things I

1503
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: noticed by the way, and first off the menu you

1504
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: use the QR code, which is fun right, so QR

1505
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 1: and I thought of that. Also the other thing I

1506
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: noticed they have flags from basically you know, different all

1507
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: the local teams. But then Division one schools flags hanging

1508
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: from the ceiling, which is cool. There were two Division

1509
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: one schools and the state that I noticed they don't

1510
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: have they do not have, at least by my eye

1511
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: in scouring it. They did not have a flag for

1512
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: Indiana State and they did not have a flag for

1513
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: IU Indy. But they hold for Purdue Fort Wayne and

1514
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: Ball State. Yes, good question on Perdue Fort Wayne. They

1515
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: definitely have Valpo, they have Evansville, they have Butler. I

1516
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: think they do have Purdue Fort Wayne. But I immediately got

1517
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: a hold of Luke Basso, the athletic director at IU Indian,

1518
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: said we need to go in there, have a beer

1519
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: and present them with a flag. Right, Jamie, perhaps can

1520
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: bring in an Indiana state flag? Is he was able to?

1521
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: I was Sycamore Sam, but he got to actually do

1522
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: the starting horn for them and they won. How about

1523
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: this right away, hey, Jake, the code should be QR

1524
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: for SNTANNA. Yes, Jake is someone who has negotiated contracts

1525
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: and deals for forty eight years. I think that the

1526
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: Colts should let Pierce and Jones try the free market.

1527
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Either way. Twenty twenty six is a learning building year,

1528
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: but this way you aren't overpaying that from Dave in Beechgrove. Okay, Jake,

1529
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: don't forget to talk about my favorite team and your

1530
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: new adopted team, the Buffalo Sabers been a remarkable turnaround

1531
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: this year and hopefully a fourteen year playoff drout coming

1532
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: to an end. I don't want to jinx anything, as

1533
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: we saw what happened on the seven to one Colts. Yeah,

1534
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: they made a GM change in Buffalo and the Sabers.

1535
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm all in. I got the hat and everything. I'm

1536
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: all in to McConnell going out to Buffalo to go

1537
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: see the Sabers play. We adopted the Sabers as our

1538
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: team go, Saves go that beautiful logo. Is it not right?

1539
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: He has no idea what I'm talking about. I know

1540
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So what did you decide on

1541
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: the tickets, Eddie? Because everybody's texting in now.

1542
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna go with the first person that

1543
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 3: did the QR, Santana Doobie Brothers texts.

1544
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Heck, yeah, heck yeah. People know what the QR is, man,

1545
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's it's it is overtaken things. It's

1546
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: not overtaking, No, it's it's very popular, No, very very popular.

1547
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: QR is the way we speak in the vernacular. Right,

1548
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Pacers over the weekend, Losers yesterday at home at the fieldhouse, Eddie.

1549
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Right now, things are going exactly as we want them

1550
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: to go. Right, I'm telling you. People are still showing

1551
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: up and going to the games.

1552
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 4: Right.

1553
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1554
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting that the NBA is trying to figure

1555
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 3: out ways to tank, and there's so many teams out

1556
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: there that have the in their fan bases, have an

1557
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 3: understanding and our receptive and are all right with their

1558
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 3: team tanking. Like Pacer fans are showing out the games. Now,

1559
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that if you're looking at

1560
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 3: you know, New Orleans and you're looking at Sacramento, Utah

1561
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 3: and the other teams that are in the Brooklyn Brooklyn

1562
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 3: in the tank off, I don't think fans are shown

1563
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: up to those arenas though, correct.

1564
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: I think also, you know, it's obviously we saw and

1565
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 1: we talked about this. You know, Quentin Jackson getting now

1566
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: a what three year deal, so there is some benefit.

1567
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: He's a guy we talked about it with Tony East.

1568
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: He can score in bunches, and there is part of

1569
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: me that was kind of wondering why, like why he

1570
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: had not gotten a longer term deal out of this,

1571
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,879
Speaker 1: because the guy has toiled his way through ten day contracts.

1572
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? I guess now it would be a

1573
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit easier because you're playing for the Boom, which

1574
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: is right in you know, the Metro area, and it's

1575
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: a beautiful new arena. They got a mascot too. You

1576
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: think I could get in that Bobby Bobby in the

1577
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: mascot outfit. I don't know.

1578
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 3: You'd have to figure finagally your way in there. But

1579
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 3: now that you've tried to make that proclamation over the radio,

1580
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if they can let you do that.

1581
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: That is correct. You should have done that in q

1582
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: see see Eddie, yes, Eddie, Yes, Yes, do we have Yeah?

1583
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: You see. You don't even realize you did it. I

1584
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: told you it's sweeping the nation. It's taken over. Kids

1585
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: love it the QR. You did it right there. I

1586
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: know I did it now, and you had fun with it,

1587
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: didn't you. You couldn't even do it without smiling. I think

1588
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: you looked. You know what you look like right there?

1589
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: You look like Dale Griffith Dell or Dale or whatever

1590
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: Griffith that sells shower rings. You looked right there as

1591
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: you said it to me. As you said it to me,

1592
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: you said, and I quote you said, I like me.

1593
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: I like me that you were smiling. You look like

1594
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: candy from planes, trains and automobiles right there with just

1595
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: a permegrin on your face as you said the QR. No, No,

1596
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: you don't want to admit you did it. I know

1597
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I did it, But you didn't mean to do it,

1598
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: did you.

1599
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1600
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 3: I did it on purpose. And I'm like, this is

1601
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 3: so stupid. It's gonna make Jake. No, No, it's a

1602
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 3: happy dad moment for Jake.

1603
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Okay, But anyway, I back to my point. Can you

1604
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: imagine if you were when it was nothing against Fort

1605
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: Wayne or the mad Ants, but when that was the

1606
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: G League affiliate, if you were designated, can you imagine

1607
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: that drive. I know it's only two hours, but driving

1608
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: up to Fort Wayne, you're playing up there, then you

1609
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: got the already back down to Hear and whatever else.

1610
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: At least now you're still in the same area. You're

1611
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: going to a new arena. There is some juice to

1612
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 1: it than some buzz. It's a cool place to play.

1613
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,799
Speaker 1: But I just can't imagine as I go to games

1614
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: and I watched those guys that are on the two

1615
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: way deals, and to just know the overall difference in

1616
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: everything from the per diem to the travel to you know.

1617
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I think the thing that really made me think about

1618
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: it was I was in the airport in mid November,

1619
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: I think it was, and came back at like an

1620
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: odd time, and I'm walking through that airport where you

1621
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: just kind of have that post airport, early flight glaze

1622
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: in your eyes walking through, and before me was the

1623
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: boom the roster. I think they were off a commercial flight,

1624
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm like, this is just so different

1625
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: than the NBA. So to go from one on Monday,

1626
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Wednesday Friday the other on Tuesday Thursday would be a

1627
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: challenge for Tim Centric going to join us bottom of

1628
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: the Hour. We come back. Two things that took place,

1629
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: just in terms of what's out there and what may

1630
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: be falling into place as it comes to the Colts,

1631
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard said, sometimes you got to learn from failure.

1632
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Could we see it again, We'll explain.

1633
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 4: Now.

1634
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this or not, Eddie,

1635
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: but now we have, and this is cool. I enjoy

1636
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: this within this building now and this has been the

1637
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: case for a couple of years, but we were in

1638
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: a much bigger building before. So now the building that

1639
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: we are in we have two sister stations. One is Fuego,

1640
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: which of course airs the occasional Butler basketball game, and

1641
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: then in addition to that, Telemundo is done out of

1642
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: this building. And the anchor for Telemundo, super nice guy.

1643
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: I just saw him in the hallway and I said, hey, listen,

1644
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I want to undergo like a new thing, if you will,

1645
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: a new process with you. And he said okay. And

1646
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: I said, each time that I see you, I would

1647
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: like for you. I don't see him every day, right,

1648
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: we run into him, I don't know three four times

1649
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: a week. He's a colleague, right, super nice guy. And

1650
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed by the fact he's a native of Venezuela.

1651
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: And I was talking to him about, you know, he's

1652
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: a news anchor for Telemundo, and he was telling me

1653
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: that growing up, you know, learning a second language was

1654
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: a real goal for him and he now knows three languages,

1655
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: which to me is incredibly impressive. And I think now

1656
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I've heard that not only as you get older, is

1657
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 1: it harder to learn a language. But I also believe

1658
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: that as you that English is one of the hardest

1659
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: to learn for people of different languages because it doesn't

1660
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of derivative. You know, Spanish is a

1661
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: lot like Portuguese, and you know, some languages are sim

1662
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: to others. English I don't know as much, you know,

1663
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: I just hear from other people that it's a very

1664
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: hard language to learn. But so I said to him,

1665
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: I said, when I see you each day, I want

1666
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: you to say something to me, just a phrase in Spanish,

1667
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: and see if I can figure out what it is

1668
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 1: that you were saying. And he said, oh, okay, this

1669
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: fun exercise. So today he said to me, today is

1670
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: a day of good news. And I was able to

1671
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: make out good obviously, buena. And then for today he

1672
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: said dias, which I knew that was day in Lunis,

1673
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: which is today. All I know is this. So I'm

1674
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: going to and I don't think this is going to

1675
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: help me become bilingual by any stretch, but why not

1676
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: take advantage of a great resource like that and learn

1677
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: new things. And when I look at my phone and

1678
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, okay, you know, sabatoh, I know how

1679
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: to say some of the days in Spanish, it would

1680
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: be next, and I don't know how you say next

1681
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: in Spanish. But the next time that we see soul

1682
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: soula sun right sol. Yes, we're not going to see

1683
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: it between now and next Monday. Just so you know.

1684
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: They turned off that they and they actually turned off

1685
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 1: the sun about an hour ago. It's undergoing some routine

1686
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: maintenance and we're gonna have rain for now what six

1687
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: straight days? Webbed feet by Thursday. I thought it was

1688
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: April showers, bring May flowers, that's right, and mayflowers bring

1689
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: the colts, that's correct. But we're doing it early this year.

1690
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 1: So what we're doing is we're doing March showers, bring April,

1691
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: April flowers, and then April flowers. Will see whether or

1692
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: not that means new contracts. Because the colts are in

1693
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: the situation. We've been talking a lot about it. My

1694
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: one concern for the colts. I mean, there are a

1695
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 1: lot of concerns I have about the colts, but one

1696
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: of them is this the simple fact of the matter.

1697
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: And I'll go back to and I know that I

1698
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 1: do this a lot, but we all have tendency to

1699
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: speak in a language not of that that we're learning

1700
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,839
Speaker 1: from our colleague in the hallway, but rather the language

1701
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: of what we know and what our precedent tells us.

1702
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: And what I know is I covered the greatest show

1703
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: on turf and it was an unbelievable run. I still

1704
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: can name and I don't even know how I can.

1705
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Basically the entire starting offense of the ninety nine, two

1706
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand and one Saint Louis Rams. They

1707
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 1: were unbelievable. Marshall Falk, Kurt Warner, Aza Quiem, Tory Holt,

1708
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce. I think it was Ernie Conwell, Roland Williams,

1709
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Ricky Proll unbelievable, and that offense because of the fact

1710
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: of the quick drop release from Kurt Warner and spreading

1711
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 1: it out and basically basketball on grass. Okay, that entire

1712
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: offense was so high flying that and yes, the Patriots

1713
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: were the ones that came in, no real stars, but

1714
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: solid defensively junk defenses, and they you know, Vintaria hits

1715
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: the field goal. And just as the Rams were the

1716
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 1: the ones that we thought were going to be that

1717
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: of the copycat league, and in fact was kind of

1718
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots that people then tried to replicate. I mean, yes,

1719
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: the Colts tried to be high flying with Manning and

1720
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: then the Bengals tried to do what they were doing

1721
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: with Carson Palmer and that group. But the blueprint of

1722
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: the defensive no major stars blueprint of New England was

1723
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: then kind of replicated as well. So I began to

1724
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 1: realize that it was a copycat league, a trend league.

1725
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: And when you look right now at what Seattle just did.

1726
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold drafted by the Jets, you get a pass

1727
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,520
Speaker 1: when you get drafted by the Jets, not a great situation,

1728
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: and then has to go and become a journeyman with

1729
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: a circuitous route to ending him up in Seattle. And

1730
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:39,799
Speaker 1: Seattle had a fast defense, aggressive front four, two really

1731
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: solid backs that complimented one another. And I don't mean

1732
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: that they sat like in the huddle saying you look

1733
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: nice today. We'll say to you, I like your clees,

1734
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: not that kind of compliment with an E on an

1735
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: EE and and of course very good receivers. I think

1736
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: Seattle showed right now in the NFL that you don't

1737
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: necessarily need the Mahomes quarterback. The high Flying Star Wars numbers,

1738
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,719
Speaker 1: if you will, in order to win. And for that reason,

1739
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: if there are teams out there that are saying, we

1740
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: are in a position where we have a really good defense,

1741
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 1: got a couple of nice backs in the backfield. We

1742
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: just need quarterback competency and stability and consistency, and we

1743
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: can be Seattle. And there are teams right now that

1744
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: may well feel on their roster like that's where they are.

1745
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Atlanta may be that, you know, they may say, you

1746
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: know what, we've been waiting on Michael Pennix, but we're

1747
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 1: just gonna go, let's go, let's make a move here.

1748
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: Arizona is probably going to move on from Kyler Murray.

1749
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: But what do they feel about the quarterbacking position right Minnesota,

1750
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: We've talked about New York. The Jets may still they

1751
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: may look at it and say, you know what, we

1752
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: have good players at the receiver spot. We've invested a

1753
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: little bit in defense justin fields. Did not get it

1754
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: done for us, But we saw what Daniel Jones did

1755
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: across the street when he had a really good year

1756
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 1: for the Giants and then was playing at MVP discussion

1757
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: level play before his injury. Maybe New York says, this

1758
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: is it, Daniel, because it's a very dry year. Eddie,

1759
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: do you happen to have in front of you a

1760
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 1: list of NFL quarterbacks that are free agents this season?

1761
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Give me thirty seconds. I believe the often mispronounced Marcus

1762
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: Mariota Marie Ota, right, yep. Haven't we always said that

1763
01:40:53,520 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota Mariota, not Mariota, like Mario Mariota. Yeah, marioa

1764
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 1: not Mariota Mariota, even though everybody has been calling a

1765
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Mariota forever, right, right, So Marcus Mariota. Yes, we've got

1766
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I've got the list. Okay, give me, give me the

1767
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: team and or the college, and see if I can

1768
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: guess the quarterback. There's a reason we'll do this exercise.

1769
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: We'll go with the top six. Okay, okay, Duke out

1770
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: of Duke, right, yes, aside from Daniel Jones, Okay, no

1771
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Cal okay from California, Fernanda Mendoza, he would not be here.

1772
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: Fra Jared Goff is not a free agent, right Nope.

1773
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Bowler, huh excuse me, Cal's had more quarterbacks than

1774
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: you think. Oh wait a minute, you hit me Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,

1775
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: of course.

1776
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, if this person went to multiple colleges, you

1777
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:50,520
Speaker 3: want me to list both.

1778
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: Or just one?

1779
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson Okay, okay, you already listed Marcus Mariota.

1780
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: A pack of badgers, right, okay, b yu Oh the

1781
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: little fella who's got the hot mom. And then he

1782
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 1: went out with her friend, right, Zach Wilson. Yes? And

1783
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 1: then Malik Willis is in there as well, is he not?

1784
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 6: Oh?

1785
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could call yeah, yeah, okay, so far?

1786
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 1: Yeah right? Yeah.

1787
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 3: I mean he's gonna command over thirty million dollars, so

1788
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:23,759
Speaker 3: I took him off the board.

1789
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: I think Malik Willis is shown that he can be

1790
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 1: a good player. Where's Trey Lance? His name usually floats

1791
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 1: about in these situations. Virginia Tech. The next guy's Virginia Tech.

1792
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: That's another option.

1793
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, hit me Tyrod to Rod Taylor?

1794
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: Okay, doesn't feel like he's like thirty five years old.

1795
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you one more. North Carolina. I think

1796
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:49,839
Speaker 3: he's North Carolina?

1797
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: Uh, Sam, how is it? I can't believe that. I

1798
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: just howl? Is that right?

1799
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 4: No?

1800
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: He went to another dame? No, okay, who's the one

1801
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,759
Speaker 1: from Sam?

1802
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 4: Right?

1803
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 1: No, this guy did go to North Carolina. Who's the

1804
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: one from Carolina that was with Washington?

1805
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 3: I was Sam Howe, Yeah okay, oh no, no, no, no, yeah,

1806
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 3: he was nor Who am I thinking of that?

1807
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: One's another name? Well, Riley Leonard, No before Riley Leonard.

1808
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: The one that transferred from was Hartman.

1809
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Sam how good pol but

1810
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 3: not him.

1811
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mitchell Trubisky, oh wow, Okay. My point

1812
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: being of those Daniel Jones probably at this age now,

1813
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson at his peak was better quarterback. Aaron Rodgers

1814
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: had his peak, was a better quarterback. But if you're

1815
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback for a four to five year win,

1816
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: a three to five year maybe even better, then Daniel

1817
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: Jones is right there towards the top. And you can

1818
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: look at that and say, we are a franchise that

1819
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: feels were close. Now the Colts theoretically have the inside track,

1820
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: but in a copycat league, with reports over the weekend

1821
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: that the Cults are farther away from a deal with

1822
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones than they originally anticipated. It does make you wonder.

1823
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: It does make you wonder. Okay, so what do all

1824
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden now are they in a situation. Did

1825
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: the Colts paint themselves into a corner? And I go

1826
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:29,799
Speaker 1: back to I think we all of us, by human nature,

1827
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: if things just seem to work themselves out for us,

1828
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 1: we become, excuse me, become conditioned to believe that. That

1829
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: means that the precedent says that things always end up

1830
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: working themselves out. And you can, unfortunately, become accustomed to

1831
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: the exception versus the rule. And someone said to me

1832
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:02,799
Speaker 1: one time, the danger in life exists when you begin

1833
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 1: living by the rule, and excuse me, living by the

1834
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 1: exception and not the rule. And I think the Colts

1835
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 1: have lived by the exception for a couple of years

1836
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: and dodged the bullet. I spelled it out earlier. But

1837
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,560
Speaker 1: if you look at their pursuit of a franchise quarterback

1838
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 1: after the andw Luck retirement, and that feels like forever ago.

1839
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: You know why, because it was especially in NFL terms.

1840
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: But they went out and kind of kicked the can

1841
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, Philip Rivers was available Jacoby

1842
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Brissett first, and kudos to the Colts for having the

1843
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: foresight for making the trade for Jacoby Brissett. Of course,

1844
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 1: they thought that luck was going to be a potential

1845
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: beginning of the year injury casualty. So they went out

1846
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: and got Breseet. But if you look realistically, at first

1847
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: it was Rivers kind of an eleventh hour like it

1848
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: fell into our lap. Okay, great. Then after that it was, look,

1849
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: you need to get a franch quarterback, and oh, well,

1850
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: you know what, we got Frank w Reich here, and he

1851
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: has a relationship, he knows Carson Wentz, and so you

1852
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 1: end up with Carson Wentz. And Jimmerson didn't like Carson

1853
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: Wentz rightly, so and so Jim Murrisay says, I'm not

1854
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna play. We're not gonna play with this guy. So

1855
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: they go back to the drawing board. And even then

1856
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 1: it was like, man, what are the Colts going to

1857
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 1: do at quarterback? And if you remember when they got

1858
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, we have Matt Ryan. As it was said

1859
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: during a broadcast when they got Matt Ryan, that was

1860
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: also an eleventh hour sign. I mean it literally fell

1861
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 1: into their lap. And so and I'm not saying I

1862
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: blame him for it. I think Chris Ballard to an

1863
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,799
Speaker 1: extent when it comes to the quarterback situation and position,

1864
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: looked at it historically and said, these things have a

1865
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: way of working themselves out. And I had an executive,

1866
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: a sports executive in this town, tell me a matter

1867
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 1: of fact, I'll tell you exactly what it was. I

1868
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 1: remember the exact scenario when Reggie Miller was retiring. Yeah,

1869
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm going a little bit back, I get it. But

1870
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: when Reggie Miller was retiring, I was doing a story

1871
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: on Reggie Miller's retirement and the end of his career,

1872
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: and so I interviewed Donnie Walsh, who had drafted Reggie Miller,

1873
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,719
Speaker 1: whose birthday was yesterday, by the way, Donny Walsh, Happy birthday.

1874
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: So I'm interviewing Donnie Walsh, and I say, did you

1875
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: know when you drafted him that he was a franchise player.

1876
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Did you say in that year's draft, this is the

1877
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: guy that we are going to build around. He's our

1878
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 1: franchise He's going to be our franchise player. They already

1879
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:41,679
Speaker 1: had Chuck Person And Donnie said, I actually was looking

1880
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 1: heavily at Kevin Johnson, and Kevin Johnson was a player

1881
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: that I really liked. And the more that I looked

1882
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: at Kevin Johnson, I also liked the size of Reggie

1883
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: Miller because of his length at six seven and so,

1884
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: and I believe that that's QR six seven. I believe

1885
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that Kevin john I can't remember if Kevin Johnson even

1886
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: went before Reggie. But Donny Wall said something to me

1887
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: in that moment that always stuck with me about team building.

1888
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's not the case with Chris Ballard,

1889
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: but Donny Wall said to me, some of the moves

1890
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: that I made or things that happened, we got lucky

1891
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: because they were my secondary plan, but I had to

1892
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: immediately pivot to it when Plan A went away. I've

1893
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 1: mentioned this several times on the radio. I've always thought

1894
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: it was a great epiphany, not only about sport but

1895
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: life in general, that it wasn't raining when Noah built

1896
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: the Arc, and so you best be prepared. And in

1897
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: the case of Chris Ballard, I think that, and so

1898
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: therefore the Pacers always kind of had a backup thing

1899
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: ready to go if Plan A evaporated before their eyes.

1900
01:48:57,320 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Chris Ballard doesn't operate that way,

1901
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: but he has been fortunate in the fact, at least

1902
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 1: seemingly that in the times when it looked like maybe

1903
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 1: he did not have that Plan B. A Plan B

1904
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 1: literally fell out of the sky for him and it

1905
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: just worked itself out. And so as would be the

1906
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: case with any of us, when you get saved by

1907
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: fate on more than a couple of occasions, you start

1908
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: to then just assume that Fate is your friend. And

1909
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible that the Colts now are

1910
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 1: in a situation with two very key players, potentially one

1911
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: of the two needing to be tagged, because they opted

1912
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: for approach of assuming that Fate was still their friend

1913
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 1: and it was just going to work itself out. And

1914
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Daniel Jones is Miles Turner, but

1915
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible that the Colts thought, and

1916
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones may have even hinted to the fact that

1917
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 1: this and I think this is probably where Daniel Jones

1918
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 1: wants to be. But wanting to be somewhere for the

1919
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: tune of three years on one hundred and five million,

1920
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: and wanting to be somewhere versus turning down somebody that's

1921
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: going to give you three years and one hundred and twenty

1922
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: five million are two different things. And if an Arizona

1923
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: or a Cleveland is willing to come out of nowhere

1924
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: and give you some absurd contract. In Cleveland's case, probably

1925
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: not the case because they've got so much still wrapped

1926
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: up into Deshaun Watson. But if some other franchise is

1927
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 1: willing to say to Daniel Jones, and I know there's

1928
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 1: no illegal tampering or whatever it may be, but if

1929
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:55,679
Speaker 1: the indication is there that because it's a copycat league

1930
01:50:56,240 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: and because the blueprint was just illuminated by Seattle, that

1931
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: competent quarterbacking play can win for you if you have

1932
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:08,839
Speaker 1: better else of roster. For that reason, it is possible

1933
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones and his representation may say, we assume

1934
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: because it's a copycat league, if this knucklehead that was

1935
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: ranked four hundred and eighty second in his high school

1936
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: graduating class on the radio in Indianapolis, Indiana can figure

1937
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 1: out that a copycat league means that my price tag

1938
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: might have ticked up, a little bit, then surely other

1939
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 1: teams are discussing the fact that I could be an

1940
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: option for them, and surely the Colts are aware of that,

1941
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones may be saying, don't come talking to

1942
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: me just yet, because it's in my best interest to

1943
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: find out what New York or Pittsburgh or Cleveland or

1944
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 1: Arizona may be willing to pay for me and a

1945
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 1: copycat league. So the Colts say, oh gosh, we thought

1946
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: for sure that we would just use to tag on

1947
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 1: Pierce because we were just going to come to a

1948
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 1: good faith agreement with Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones now

1949
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he wants to see other people.

1950
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then we got to use

1951
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: the tag on Pierce and run the risk of losing

1952
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And then where do you turn Zach Wilson,

1953
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:21,680
Speaker 1: Malik Willis, who's going to cost the same Marcus? Now

1954
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:26,759
Speaker 1: is it Mariota? There you go, Mariota, any of those.

1955
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: That's the predicament that they're in. I think the Colts

1956
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 1: are in a real slippery situation here. Now Again, it

1957
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: may in fact work itself out. It may in fact

1958
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 1: work itself out, and it probably will, but it's a

1959
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: dangerous way to live. It's a dangerous way to live.

1960
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 1: Which one do you believe that the two will be tagged? Addy?

1961
01:52:58,320 --> 01:52:59,799
Speaker 1: Because I think one of them is going to be tagged.

1962
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,879
Speaker 3: I think there's a more concerted effort to get a

1963
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 3: deal done with Daniel Jones. First, because Jeremy Fowler of

1964
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 3: ESPN reported over the weekend that and I think Steven

1965
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 3: Holder echoed the same sentiment on X is that the

1966
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 3: Colts have told Alec Pruce that he will be a

1967
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 3: cult He's not going anywhere, and so to me, that

1968
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:26,639
Speaker 3: kind of signals that they're making a very very strong

1969
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 3: and concerted effort to get Daniel Jones done.

1970
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: But the problem the Colts have, as.

1971
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 3: You just illuminated there, Jake, is that Daniel Jones has

1972
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 3: all the leverage in these contract negotiations. The only thing

1973
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 3: the Colts have to stand on is the fact that, hey,

1974
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 3: you haven't really played a full season in your NFL career.

1975
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: Hey, you know.

1976
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 3: I mean he could come back and say, hey, I

1977
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,480
Speaker 3: took a discount to come here. This past year, Minnesota

1978
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 3: offered him more money to stay it with the Vikings.

1979
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,799
Speaker 3: He took a little bit of a discount and decided

1980
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 3: to come to Indianapolis and bet on him self to

1981
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:04,879
Speaker 3: beat Anthony Richardson in training camp in the quarterback competition.

1982
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 1: Guess what he did. So now it's Zara all right,

1983
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 1: time the pony up.

1984
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 3: And if you're Daniel Jones, Jake, I mean, I can't

1985
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 3: fault a player at any point in their career for

1986
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 3: wanting to secure the bag. As the kids say, of course,

1987
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 3: but he's got all the level you are for get paid,

1988
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 3: he's got all the leverage, despite the fact that he's

1989
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 3: coming off of torn Achilles. Because there's not much of

1990
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 3: a market and the Colts have another decision to make

1991
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 3: on who they're going to pay and who's getting the tag.

1992
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 1: The consensus seems to be that it's fifty to fifty

1993
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: that whether or not he will sign with Indianapolis. And

1994
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 1: I think the Colts thought it was a slam dunk,

1995
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 1: not even discussion like one hour meeting. I really do.

1996
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: I really do think that they thought it was gonna

1997
01:54:54,560 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm not damning them for it, but again, you it

1998
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: becomes dangerous when you assume that fate is always going

1999
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 1: to be your friend.

2000
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 3: And do you've in the Daniel Jones side of this, Jake,

2001
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 3: with the leverage, are you wanting an extra year, are

2002
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 3: you wanting four instead of three? Or are you wanting

2003
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 3: more guarantee money or are you wanting more money?

2004
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 1: In general? Those are the kind of questions I've got

2005
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: with the whole situation.

2006
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair because the shorter deal gives you another chance

2007
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 3: to secure another payday, but it also gives the team

2008
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 3: the ability to get out of that content.

2009
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm Daniel Jones and I look at

2010
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: my health history, I'm taking the money up front. Yeah,

2011
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm taking the money that's there.

2012
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

2013
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Yesterday, Indy Car was in Saint Petersburg and it was

2014
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,840
Speaker 1: not until the eleventh hour when we found out that

2015
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: a very familiar name and face within Team Penske, Tim Sendric,

2016
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 1: would be back as the race strategist for Scott McLaughlin,

2017
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 1: formerly the president of the organization, of course, stepping away

2018
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: from that role after a couple of indiscretions that took place,

2019
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 1: but now he's back. Yesterday, McLachlin finished second, one spot

2020
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 1: below where he started he started on poll but a

2021
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: solid weekend for the team. But Tim Cendric is going

2022
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: to join us on the other side to discuss kind

2023
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 1: of all of it. The emotions of the return next

2024
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 1: IndyCar season is underway, the debut race of the twenty

2025
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 1: sixth season taking place yesterday on the streets of Saint Petersburg.

2026
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: It was Alex Polow winning in pretty impressive fashion. Running

2027
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 1: right behind him was the guy that was the pole sitter,

2028
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 1: Scott McLachlin, and in Scott McLoughlin's ear for the course

2029
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 1: of the race, a longtime staple within the paddock, and

2030
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 1: of course the president at one time of Penske Team Penske,

2031
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: and then a bit of a vacation, but he is

2032
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: back in the paddock. In Tim Sendric who joins us

2033
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 1: now on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest line. First off, Tim,

2034
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: how are you? It's pleasure to have you, good man.

2035
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:00,120
Speaker 4: How are you doing today?

2036
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 1: You know what? I can't complain and I'm curious from

2037
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: your standpoint, and I want to get into just kind

2038
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 1: of your emotions of all of it in a minute.

2039
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: But when you are a car that starts on pole

2040
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 1: and really McLachlin, I thought had a solid day running.

2041
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 1: It didn't look like you guys had any sort of

2042
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: an issue or he put the tire wrong anywhere, and

2043
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 1: then you finish in second, still a solid finish to

2044
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 1: be on the podium. But do you take away from

2045
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: that that it was a good weekend or a weekend

2046
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:27,200
Speaker 1: where you left something out there.

2047
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 4: It was solid. Yeah, I think to start the season out,

2048
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 4: that's what you want to do. You don't want to

2049
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 4: play catch up, but yeah, certainly you want to win

2050
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 4: the race, you know, that's what we're there to do.

2051
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 4: But sit on the pole and you know, run second

2052
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 4: to Alex. You know, right now, I think everybody's racing

2053
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 4: for second until we get just a bit better. You know,

2054
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 4: I think the speed is there. You know, Scott actually

2055
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 4: had more speed than even showed on Saturday. But he

2056
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 4: drove a great race. You know, he executed and he

2057
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,480
Speaker 4: did everything he could do really, you know through what

2058
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 4: we did yesterday. So yeah, a solid start, but we

2059
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 4: want more. For sure.

2060
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: I want to get into Tim and for those that

2061
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with it, and I apologize for having to

2062
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: rehash it this way, but for those that may not

2063
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 1: be familiar, you know, you've been a long time staple

2064
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: within that team for Roger Penske and Team Penske and

2065
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 1: then and I can't recall if it was two or

2066
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 1: three years ago, but the incident with the push to

2067
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: pass capability when in a race that wasn't supposed to

2068
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 1: be there for two of the three cars for Penske

2069
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 1: and a penalty for that. And then last May the

2070
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 1: incident where there were parts on the rear of the

2071
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 1: car that were not to be touched, and they were.

2072
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: They failed to conspection will power and Joseph n. Neugarten

2073
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: had to start the eighty five hundred the back of

2074
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the field. And then you were one of three who

2075
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 1: were relieved of your duties from the team itself, and

2076
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 1: then the word coming that you will be returning as

2077
01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 1: the strategist. What was just kind of your emotion through

2078
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: all of that and maybe even the trying nature of

2079
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 1: it and things you've learned.

2080
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 4: Yes, thanks for bringing all that back up again. But

2081
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 4: now at the end of the day, I mean, obviously

2082
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 4: I've been with that team since since really nineteen ninety nine,

2083
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 4: and you know I have been through a lot ups

2084
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 4: and downs. You know, as a kid, it was it

2085
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 4: was the team that I admired, the one I always

2086
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 4: wanted to be with, you know, Roger, he'd always been

2087
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 4: one of my heroes or whatever out and you know

2088
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 4: through all that, first of all, I did nothing wrong.

2089
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 4: I was simply a victim of certain circumstances. And you know,

2090
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 4: those that truly know me, they don't question anything relative

2091
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 4: to my integrity, and really that's that's all it really

2092
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 4: matters at the end. And you know, the sport I've

2093
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,320
Speaker 4: had through that through those people just reminded me of

2094
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 4: all that, you know, helped a lot, because obviously I

2095
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 4: put a lot into all that that's really in the nutshell,

2096
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, and probably all I really had to say

2097
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,280
Speaker 4: about the whole thing today and to have the opportunity

2098
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 4: to really come back and work with people that I

2099
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 4: really enjoy working with, you know, as I reflected on it,

2100
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:08,960
Speaker 4: you know, after all that went down, you know, as

2101
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,200
Speaker 4: you can imagine, I had quite a few opportunities to

2102
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 4: do different things, you know, a lot of them in

2103
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 4: the in the IndyCar paddock. And you know, the disquality

2104
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 4: for me was I put so much into the whole

2105
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 4: Team Pinsky situation. And you know, I understand accountability, you know,

2106
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 4: I get how that works, especially in the corporate world.

2107
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 4: And if there's a corporate race team out there, it's

2108
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 4: the one I've worked for, even before Roger bought the

2109
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 4: you know, the Speedway and IndyCar and all the rest

2110
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 4: of it. And you know, some of the voices just

2111
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:41,040
Speaker 4: got louder when all that happens, and you know, he

2112
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:43,760
Speaker 4: was in a situation there where, yeah, he had to

2113
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 4: make some decisions or whatever else. And you know, for myself,

2114
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:48,520
Speaker 4: I have to live with those decisions, whether I agreed

2115
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 4: with them or didn't agree with them, or agreed with

2116
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:54,160
Speaker 4: how the whole process went, you know, with the various parties.

2117
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 4: You know, what am I going to do? You know,

2118
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 4: you just have to you just have to kind of

2119
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 4: move on. You know, the hardest thing for me is,

2120
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 4: you know, when people question your integrity because it's kind

2121
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 4: of the easy thing to do when you've you know,

2122
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 4: been part of, you know, so much success over the years.

2123
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 4: I get all that, you know, and I don't I

2124
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 4: don't blame people for you know, believing what they read sometimes,

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Speaker 4: but you know, in this day and age, uh you know,

2126
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Speaker 4: I I've always been really careful to judge, you know,

2127
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 4: until I know somebody personally or whatever else. But you know,

2128
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 4: I had some great conversations with people that I didn't

2129
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:29,040
Speaker 4: even know in Saint Pete that I didn't expect, and uh,

2130
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 4: all that's pretty helpful when you go through something like that.

2131
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Speaker 4: You know, for me, it's always been it's been my passion,

2132
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 4: you know, motorsports. Uh, you know, been fortunate enough to

2133
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 4: experience as much and more success than I ever imagined.

2134
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 4: And uh, the hard thing for me and all that

2135
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,560
Speaker 4: was really understanding what I wanted to do, you know,

2136
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 4: because you're in a situation where you know you're not

2137
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 4: going to live forever, and you know, I started kind

2138
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:57,879
Speaker 4: of thinking about the various criteria that I wanted personally,

2139
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, for me, got a great family,

2140
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:05,120
Speaker 4: I've you know, I've got great friends, and yeah, I

2141
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 4: had a really really rewarding career at that point, and

2142
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 4: I didn't want to I didn't want to repeat my

2143
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 4: steps in terms of of you know, running a race

2144
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:17,160
Speaker 4: team again or starting one from scratch, or trying to

2145
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 4: bring one from you know, mid back to the front

2146
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,760
Speaker 4: or whatever, because you know, I had already stepped aside

2147
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 4: or tried to step aside, you know, at the end

2148
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four, just really to live life a

2149
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 4: bit and kind of experienced some things that I hadn't

2150
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 4: done in thirty or forty years and reconnect with friends

2151
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 4: and family in some ways or whatever else. And you know,

2152
02:02:39,400 --> 02:02:42,040
Speaker 4: I did a lot of that last year, and I

2153
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 4: did obviously a lot of reflect you know what I

2154
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:45,080
Speaker 4: wanted to do, and I didn't want to do the

2155
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 4: same things again, but I still I missed the competition

2156
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 4: side of it. And you know, around the holidays, I

2157
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 4: thought to myself, and I need to either just get

2158
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 4: out of motorsports all together and forget about and just

2159
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:00,839
Speaker 4: say I had a good ride or a great ride,

2160
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 4: or I need to stay relevant somehow and then let

2161
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 4: it come to me and see what happens. And uh,

2162
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 4: you know, I'd had different people approach me to, hey,

2163
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:12,840
Speaker 4: how about just go on the weekends. Then you got

2164
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,520
Speaker 4: flexibility to you know, do whatever else you want to

2165
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 4: do in life, come on the weekends, you know, help

2166
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:20,320
Speaker 4: us out, or you know, come to a may only

2167
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:22,720
Speaker 4: deal with you know, drivers that can win the race

2168
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 4: and that type of thing. And and you know, if

2169
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 4: you ask me back in August if I wanted to

2170
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 4: do that, that didn't really hit home for me because

2171
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:34,160
Speaker 4: I'd kind of been done that. And then, uh, we know,

2172
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,760
Speaker 4: around the holidays, I decided, you know what, this thing

2173
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:39,400
Speaker 4: passes you by real quick if you don't get involved.

2174
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:43,200
Speaker 4: So I decided, you know, going to racing on the

2175
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:45,480
Speaker 4: weekend still allows me to be involved in a lot

2176
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,480
Speaker 4: of other things and have flexibility do what I want

2177
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 4: to do. And I made a decision to to go

2178
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 4: pursue that, and I had my mind made up where

2179
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:55,840
Speaker 4: I was going to go and what I was going

2180
02:03:55,920 --> 02:04:00,200
Speaker 4: to do, and uh, you know, I thought to myself, Man, yeah,

2181
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 4: I think so much of the people that I worked

2182
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 4: with over there, Guys like Jonathan do Good, you know,

2183
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:10,960
Speaker 4: Travis Law and Matt Johnson, you know, the drivers, Uh,

2184
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:14,680
Speaker 4: the engineers there, just the whole group there. You know,

2185
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:17,200
Speaker 4: some of these guys, you know, we referred to him

2186
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 4: as myram John Booslog. Uh. They'd been there so long,

2187
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,360
Speaker 4: I've been through so much with them. I don't want

2188
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 4: them to read about what I'm going to go do

2189
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:26,720
Speaker 4: for somebody else in the Indy car Paddock without at

2190
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 4: least letting them know that that's what I'm going to do.

2191
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, I reached out to Jonathan do Good, who's

2192
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, running the team now, and I'd hired him

2193
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 4: out of college actually back in the Alms days. I

2194
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,640
Speaker 4: think it was like two thousand and five, And uh,

2195
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 4: I sent him an email. And I hadn't talked to

2196
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 4: Rogerson to August, or hadn't communicated with him even since

2197
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 4: August and uh I copied him on my email to

2198
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 4: the JD and just said, Hey, just want you guys

2199
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 4: to be aware, I'm gonna I'm going to go pursue

2200
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 4: something in the paddock on the weekends. H didn't want

2201
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 4: you to read about it. I assume you guys get

2202
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 4: your bases covered. If you don't, I'm open to a conversation.

2203
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 4: You know, I still admire the people that you have

2204
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 4: and the group that you have, and you know, for me,

2205
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 4: I helped obviously put together you know a lot of

2206
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:20,000
Speaker 4: those people. And anyway, yeah, that JD reached out pretty

2207
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 4: much immediately and said, hey, when we sit down, have

2208
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 4: a conversation about your timing is good. We're trying to

2209
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:27,560
Speaker 4: figure out how to how to put our group together,

2210
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:29,280
Speaker 4: you know, with the most depth that we can have.

2211
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:33,560
Speaker 4: And Roger reached out within the hour and said, you know, basically, hey,

2212
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,240
Speaker 4: this is something you really want to do. It would

2213
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 4: be a win win for us. So that's how it

2214
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:39,000
Speaker 4: all went down.

2215
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,960
Speaker 1: Did you feel the fact that you were able tim

2216
02:05:42,040 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 1: to go back to the same team did you feel

2217
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 1: like that was kind of an exoneration.

2218
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:52,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, when I when I mentioned to my

2219
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 4: wife that I was going to, you know, put together

2220
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 4: this note to those guys. She was she was kind

2221
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:02,920
Speaker 4: of perplexed. Not that I mean she she loves those

2222
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,240
Speaker 4: people as well, and she's just like, really, I said, yeah,

2223
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 4: because regardless of the answer, regardless of what happens, it's

2224
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:14,680
Speaker 4: going to answer a few questions for me depending on

2225
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 4: what the reply is or if there's not one at all.

2226
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 4: And you know, if it happened to all work out,

2227
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 4: it would probably send a few messages without me having

2228
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 4: to say anything or Roger having to say anything. And

2229
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 4: so that was my mindset. So you know, yeah, for sure,

2230
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:39,000
Speaker 4: I think you know, for me having gone through all

2231
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 4: that over the years and had so much success with

2232
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 4: so many people in that group, you know, for it

2233
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:49,360
Speaker 4: to kind of all end, and you know what I

2234
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:52,800
Speaker 4: look at is more of a political mess and anything else.

2235
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:57,920
Speaker 4: I you know, I like, hey, there's a chance to

2236
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 4: write a different chapter in there and you know, have

2237
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 4: a different ending to that that whole story. I'd be

2238
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 4: all for it. So here we are.

2239
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:08,360
Speaker 1: Well. Scott mcglachlin was thrilled about it. I mean, there's

2240
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Tim Sindrick, my guest from Penske

2241
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:13,240
Speaker 1: of course, He was the race strategist for Scott McLaughlin

2242
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:16,600
Speaker 1: in his second yesterday after landing on Pole, and McLachlin

2243
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: was open about the fact of, you know, the optimism

2244
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:20,680
Speaker 1: he had to work with you again in the chemistry

2245
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:23,680
Speaker 1: you guys have for you personally though, Tim, were you

2246
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: nervous going into the weekend or just curious as to

2247
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: how you would be received or how all of it

2248
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 1: would go down?

2249
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:35,320
Speaker 4: Uh? You kind of anxious, you know. I guess you know,

2250
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 4: for me, I'm at peace with myself. Like I said, I, Uh,

2251
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 4: there was nothing that I did wrong. I mean, when

2252
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 4: you're when it's the top of the total pole, the

2253
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 4: head hits the ground hardest, you know, So you know

2254
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:51,160
Speaker 4: I understood. I understood all those different things and and

2255
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 4: kind of the side of it I'm liked for That's

2256
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,960
Speaker 4: what I said before, For you know, the people around

2257
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 4: me and the people that really know me, that's what

2258
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,800
Speaker 4: always matter the most of me. And uh, you know

2259
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:06,280
Speaker 4: that that proved to be really strong. So my I

2260
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 4: guess I was a bit more nervous about how rusty

2261
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,520
Speaker 4: I was going to be. I mean, I honestly I

2262
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 4: didn't follow a lot of the races in detail, you know,

2263
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:17,760
Speaker 4: I'd watched the starter, I'd watched the end and go

2264
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 4: do my thing, but I wasn't, you know, totally engaged

2265
02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 4: last year after all that went down. So there's been

2266
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 4: a lot of rules to change, people change, roles change,

2267
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:31,880
Speaker 4: and you know, I certainly wanted to respect you know,

2268
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:36,839
Speaker 4: the management group that's in place there within within Penske

2269
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:39,480
Speaker 4: and you know, JD and those guys know that I'm

2270
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,839
Speaker 4: not looking for the job. I'm not trying to promote myself.

2271
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 4: I just want to do a good job within that environment.

2272
02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 4: And for me, you know, it's really been the past

2273
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:51,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, later ten years, you know my I

2274
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:55,520
Speaker 4: guess what I'd get out of of really being part

2275
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 4: of all that is watching others have success that haven't

2276
02:08:58,680 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 4: seen the success that I've been able to experience. And

2277
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 4: you know, Scott's somebody that you know, I met him

2278
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:08,480
Speaker 4: way back and I can't remember if it was fourteen

2279
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 4: or fifteen, you know, through Marcus Ambrose, and you know,

2280
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 4: having the opportunity to kind of go full circle with

2281
02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 4: him from the times we talked about going supercars racing

2282
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:24,520
Speaker 4: and him coming over to our team there to you know,

2283
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 4: the dinners we had over there talking about you know,

2284
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 4: how he could go racing in America to then being

2285
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 4: on his box in his ear. Yeah, it's it's a

2286
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 4: great opportunity and something that I really want to help

2287
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 4: him succeed in whatever way I can.

2288
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:39,800
Speaker 1: Tim.

2289
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 4: I know that, you know that was more for me

2290
02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 4: what I was after.

2291
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,040
Speaker 1: But I know one of the things that he did

2292
02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:47,280
Speaker 1: because I reached out to you, you know, just before

2293
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:50,080
Speaker 1: the season began. Uh, going to the Olympics had to

2294
02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 1: have been awesome. I mean just going and seeing it,

2295
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:54,480
Speaker 1: and I'm curious. I'm assuming you were there from a

2296
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 1: fan standpoint, but you know, your son's a racer. You've

2297
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: been around it forever, right is it? How cool is it?

2298
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: I guess? Or what can you learn from watching athletes

2299
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,680
Speaker 1: at the top of their craft in a sport other

2300
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:10,680
Speaker 1: than the one that you are caught in the minutia

2301
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 1: in from day to day.

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02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:17,040
Speaker 4: No, it's it's incredible, you know. Obviously, the patriotism is

2303
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 4: second to none. We had the chance to take our

2304
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:25,080
Speaker 4: our kids when they were teenagers, young teenagers to the

2305
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:29,960
Speaker 4: London Olympics in twenty twelve. The Summer Olympics actually stayed

2306
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:33,920
Speaker 4: and Zach Brown flat you know, downtown London, went to

2307
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:37,840
Speaker 4: the Olympics there and they never forgot that experience, and

2308
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:40,880
Speaker 4: you know, us going to the Winter Olympics, they actually

2309
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 4: organized it all and that was that was what they presented,

2310
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:48,160
Speaker 4: you know, Megan and I for Christmas was basically an

2311
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 4: organized you know, trip to the Olympics for seven days

2312
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:55,480
Speaker 4: or what have you. And you know, I'll give you

2313
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:58,000
Speaker 4: an example. We went to the short track speed skating

2314
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 4: finals and the only tickets that were available at that time,

2315
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 4: because it wasn't one of the events that the kids

2316
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:08,320
Speaker 4: had picked out, but we happen to have a window

2317
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 4: where we could go, and it was it was convenient,

2318
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:13,880
Speaker 4: and you know, I said my wife, I'm like, we

2319
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,240
Speaker 4: can go sightseeing or you know, we're here for the Olympics.

2320
02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 4: Let's go to the Olympics. And the only seats that

2321
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:24,240
Speaker 4: were available were the best seats. And you know, you

2322
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 4: got swallowed pretty hard sometimes and you're just like, hey,

2323
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 4: that's why we're here. Let's just do it. And we

2324
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 4: had front row seats to the speed skating finals. And

2325
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:36,600
Speaker 4: the cool thing about it, Okay, the races and all

2326
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 4: that are really good, and you're up clothes, but where

2327
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:41,400
Speaker 4: our seats were and you couldn't pick your seats. They

2328
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:45,320
Speaker 4: just tell you it's in a section. But the athletes

2329
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:48,160
Speaker 4: would come out of the locker room and actually put

2330
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 4: their skates on and do their ritual and all that,

2331
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,880
Speaker 4: and these chairs literally right below us as you leaned

2332
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:58,360
Speaker 4: over the rail and you watch these Olympic athletes getting

2333
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:02,520
Speaker 4: ready to go base we determine their fate and all

2334
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Speaker 4: the things that they had worked for. And it was

2335
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,320
Speaker 4: just so cool and so rewarding to see all that

2336
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:11,120
Speaker 4: firsthand in terms of the preparation and then basically the

2337
02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:12,480
Speaker 4: release they had after it was over.

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02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 1: So did you want to get in their ear and

2339
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:15,160
Speaker 1: tell them when they had to come in and pit

2340
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:17,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that? Did you?

2341
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 4: Now? Man, you're there, You're nervous for the guys they

2342
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:24,200
Speaker 4: have to go reset up the apex tucks during the

2343
02:12:24,240 --> 02:12:27,040
Speaker 4: live event. You know, you're like, you realize if they

2344
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:29,520
Speaker 4: drop one of those or if they follow, they're going

2345
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 4: to script the whole race. But no, you just get

2346
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 4: a whole different perspective of it all. And yeah, you

2347
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,520
Speaker 4: just it's hard to explain it all until you actually

2348
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:40,640
Speaker 4: see it and experience at firsthand.

2349
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, Tim, I'll tell you what man on a personal level.

2350
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, I told you this at the time when

2351
02:12:44,920 --> 02:12:48,000
Speaker 1: I saw the news you were back. You're always accommodating

2352
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:50,040
Speaker 1: on Pitt Road, and I've got a great deal of

2353
02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 1: respect for the work that you've done and the accomplishments

2354
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:54,760
Speaker 1: you've had, and so for you to get the chance

2355
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:56,600
Speaker 1: to come back and just kind of put that all

2356
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:58,400
Speaker 1: in the past, my apologies for bringing it up, but

2357
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:01,640
Speaker 1: it's part of the story right as to they back,

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02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I certainly appreciate it and appreciate the

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02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:07,560
Speaker 1: candor today and Phoenix up next, and then after that

2360
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:11,080
Speaker 1: it is a new track Arlington going right around where

2361
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:14,560
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys play, so plenty of racing between now

2362
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:16,959
Speaker 1: and May to get to so I appreciate you squeezing

2363
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:18,200
Speaker 1: a little time for us right now.

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02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,440
Speaker 4: Hey, I just want to know who's going to be

2365
02:13:20,440 --> 02:13:21,080
Speaker 4: our quarterback.

2366
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,040
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think it's probably going to

2367
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,280
Speaker 1: be Daniel Jones, but I don't know. Do you have

2368
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 1: any eligibility left after your Hall of Fame basketball career

2369
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 1: at Rose.

2370
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 4: Holmand No, man, I'm just a fan, but I.

2371
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:35,040
Speaker 1: Think it's going to be Daniel Jones. But we'll see,

2372
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:37,400
Speaker 1: because big day tomorrow with the franchise tag and Alec

2373
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Pierce hanging in there as well, so we'll see if

2374
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,000
Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. He's a smart cookie, though,

2375
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get some dollars out of him.

2376
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:46,200
Speaker 4: Good deal, good deal. Hope it all works out.

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02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Tim, All right, thanks Hi, Tim Sendrick

2378
02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 1: joining us on the program. We'll come back. JMV is

2379
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 1: in the building. We will do the crossover. Find out

2380
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 1: from the good guys that love he and air Love

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Speaker 1: dash HVAC dot com is the website. Three one seven

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02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:01,640
Speaker 1: three five one will see what John's got cooking next.

2383
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 1: JMB has arrived the Crossover. I enjoyed listening to some

2384
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:12,840
Speaker 1: of the takeover on Saturday Night, right, mostly ninety stuff.

2385
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:17,360
Speaker 2: Right, I can't tell there it is now all right now,

2386
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm man. Yeah, is this frozen up too? Yeah? Could

2387
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:27,200
Speaker 2: you tell? When I was frozen out for like twenty

2388
02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:29,600
Speaker 2: five minutes I think, and I was bouncing back and

2389
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:31,440
Speaker 2: forth from my laptop to the hard drive.

2390
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:35,080
Speaker 1: It was fun though, right, Yeah, I have a good tie.

2391
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:39,800
Speaker 2: It makes you it's like working radio without a net,

2392
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:43,360
Speaker 2: and normally any longer that's not the case because everybody

2393
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:46,839
Speaker 2: in radio, especially in music, and my apologies to anybody

2394
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 2: that's offended by it, but who cares?

2395
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:49,680
Speaker 1: You guys half acid?

2396
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:53,320
Speaker 2: That's why that's you are half acid by you know,

2397
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:57,600
Speaker 2: doing your little voice tracking crap two days prior I'm

2398
02:14:57,640 --> 02:14:59,760
Speaker 2: in there live. You work without a net. That's the

2399
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:02,600
Speaker 2: way it's thinking supposed to be. Brother, What was the

2400
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:10,440
Speaker 2: best request you did? Probably let me think the best one?

2401
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 2: It was weird? It was probably uh, not a serf popular?

2402
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:19,520
Speaker 2: Remember that that new Jersey band I'm popular. It's just

2403
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 2: it's a weird sound, very unique nineties and you could

2404
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 2: tell this is from the nineties, not a surf?

2405
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 1: Did I hear at one point? And it might not

2406
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:28,960
Speaker 1: have been this Saturday? Was there one of them where

2407
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 1: you played another bad creation? Yes?

2408
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:35,400
Speaker 2: I have played ABC Playground Aisha a couple of different times.

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02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:39,080
Speaker 1: That works nineteen ninety one? Baby, what's on the big

2410
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:42,480
Speaker 1: show today? Obviously we talked plenty about the fact that

2411
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:43,240
Speaker 1: tags coming up?

2412
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:46,160
Speaker 2: Marnicles, Can you believe that we have to debate this

2413
02:15:46,280 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 2: on Daniel Jones?

2414
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 1: How low can we go?

2415
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm almost to a point where and I know I

2416
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 2: know they they know they're gonna end up getting him.

2417
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:57,600
Speaker 1: Where else. Well, it's almost like a Castle Ledia thing.

2418
02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 1: Where else you going? Where else you going? What a

2419
02:16:00,280 --> 02:16:03,160
Speaker 1: do it? Both of you guys? The Jets Minnesota? I mean,

2420
02:16:03,160 --> 02:16:05,800
Speaker 1: what if somebody just decides to completely throw well.

2421
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 2: What if the culture to decide just to go get

2422
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:11,160
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray right now for one year because we're talking

2423
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 2: about a lame duck group the way that it is,

2424
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:15,840
Speaker 2: and he's a lame duck guy.

2425
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one year, one year gets you down the road.

2426
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:22,800
Speaker 1: I just can't believe. Brilliant. Here's the thing. If they

2427
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 1: go that route and they say we're gonna sign Minshew

2428
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:27,120
Speaker 1: for one year and just reset this whole thing all

2429
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:30,840
Speaker 1: over again and then draft somebody then ballard by themself

2430
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,560
Speaker 1: five more years, right, let me tell you, it's almost

2431
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:34,080
Speaker 1: like this.

2432
02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:38,039
Speaker 2: It's two miseries that either have to come together or

2433
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 2: why are we even jacking around with it? You got

2434
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,800
Speaker 2: a guy that for the better part of six years

2435
02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:44,240
Speaker 2: has been injured or ineffective. You have a team for

2436
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:47,200
Speaker 2: the better part of ten years that has been very ineffective,

2437
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:51,039
Speaker 2: mediocre at best. I mean, these two, these two entities

2438
02:16:51,160 --> 02:16:54,040
Speaker 2: need and deserve one another. This shouldn't be that hard.

2439
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:57,520
Speaker 2: It should and I would bet it's probably not that hard.

2440
02:16:57,680 --> 02:17:01,040
Speaker 2: It's probably been made in the met the national media

2441
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:03,440
Speaker 2: especially much harder than it probably is.

2442
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:08,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, you know. It's you have to

2443
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:13,520
Speaker 1: remind yourself that in other cities, you know, Seattle, San Francisco,

2444
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 1: the Colts franchise right now is probably what we think

2445
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:19,080
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, New Orleans or Carolina, they're just there,

2446
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, and whoever would have

2447
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:22,400
Speaker 1: guessed that'd be the case.

2448
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the laughing stock right now. They're just they're

2449
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,279
Speaker 2: that what we used to make Front of the Bengals.

2450
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:27,840
Speaker 1: About all the time.

2451
02:17:27,879 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 2: That's right, By the way, can we allow a basketball

2452
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:33,120
Speaker 2: team collegiately to do anything well around here?

2453
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:35,360
Speaker 1: As we're in we want to march? Is that? Okay?

2454
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:37,840
Speaker 1: Can you guys are losing a game that pushes Indiana

2455
02:17:37,879 --> 02:17:40,800
Speaker 1: out right? I mean what Lenardi still has them in right?

2456
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:41,120
Speaker 6: Uh?

2457
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: But he hadn't update. I looked at it and that

2458
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 1: that was the last I saw. He had them as

2459
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:47,920
Speaker 1: the last inn but that was done Saturday morning. It

2460
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:50,200
Speaker 1: wasn't around if it's been updated. I thought that he

2461
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:52,760
Speaker 1: still had that the final team and the other teams

2462
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:55,200
Speaker 1: that were sitting there on the outside looking at all lost. Yeah,

2463
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,039
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, everybody's circling the right. Yeah,

2464
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:58,760
Speaker 1: let's go to one hundred and twenty teams because at

2465
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 1: sixty eight years there's so very exciting. You really got

2466
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:02,760
Speaker 1: to squeeze thatt iu tea.

2467
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:06,240
Speaker 2: And that's must see TV right there watching that that act.

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02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:08,760
Speaker 1: All right, John? Who and what do they call it?

2469
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:09,960
Speaker 1: Indiana State? That you got to do?

2470
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 2: I got to hit the sycamore signal by the way too.

2471
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to Butler Wednesday.

2472
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:18,039
Speaker 2: They hit like a ton of threes yesterday and one

2473
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:19,200
Speaker 2: by fifteen.

2474
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:21,480
Speaker 1: You missed sixteen? Did I see that?

2475
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:24,760
Speaker 2: With the putt? They made me putt? Yeah, I couldn't

2476
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:27,200
Speaker 2: shoot a basketball. It made me put Parks Place Pub

2477
02:18:27,640 --> 02:18:28,640
Speaker 2: we were there Saturday night.

2478
02:18:28,720 --> 02:18:31,400
Speaker 1: Uh huh. They've got they've got flags up basically every school.

2479
02:18:31,440 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 1: I noticed that they had. They did not have AU

2480
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 1: Indy and Indiana State. So I called Luke Boss, So

2481
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna go over and present them with the Jags.

2482
02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 1: Jags flag sounds weird, doesn't it with an AU Indie flag.

2483
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll leave the Indiana state when I'll do that.

2484
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:46,920
Speaker 2: What's the leader's problem? Not having Indy because he went

2485
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:49,640
Speaker 2: to southern Illinois for one. Do you have Southern Illinois? Yeah,

2486
02:18:49,640 --> 02:18:51,680
Speaker 2: that's why he's a Saluki. So he's not going to

2487
02:18:51,720 --> 02:18:54,640
Speaker 2: have Indiana state up. And he butt sniffs Illinois.

2488
02:18:54,640 --> 02:18:56,920
Speaker 1: Good place. I love him to death. Bu he butt

2489
02:18:56,959 --> 02:18:59,280
Speaker 1: sniffs Illinois. All right, John's up next. We'll be back

2490
02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:02,000
Speaker 1: with you at noon tomorrow. I think you for listening

2491
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:02,800
Speaker 1: to the Quarry Company.