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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday, another hump

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Speaker 1: day that means we're halfway through the work week. Later

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Speaker 1: this morning, doctor John Carlis will return to the classroom.

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Speaker 1: We may recall John, along with Tommy Smith, where kicked

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Speaker 1: out of the sixty Olympics in Mexico City after a

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Speaker 1: the air well. He'll be here to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: athletes and activists for John, though, the Faith Brothers will

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Speaker 1: will address the issue of racism in religion who knew?

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Speaker 1: And before the Faith Brothers though, media analyst Dwayne Gilman

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Speaker 1: will discuss the equal time rule and its impact on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's Texas primary. But to get us started, Terrence Bailey,

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Speaker 1: a director Senator of Frederick Douglas, will join us. But

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Speaker 1: before we all of that, let's get Kevin to reopen

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Speaker 1: the classroom doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Colonel Nelson, what do you may reopen

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Speaker 2: the week?

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Speaker 3: Don't we open them every day?

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Speaker 1: Every day? We closing after class?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I get it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just in case Stanley Brown slips in and tries

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Speaker 1: to do something with the equipment. You know, that's a

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Speaker 1: running joke family.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the movie with Morgan Freeman where they

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Speaker 3: You know, right right, there's a stranger.

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Speaker 1: But how you feeling, girl, I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm

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Speaker 1: still learning.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's great, that's great.

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Speaker 2: You know you it's like you're continually stretching the capacity

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Speaker 2: to learn by continually looking for things to uh examine

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Speaker 2: and learn and research in the world.

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Speaker 3: Am I right about it?

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, because I'm recognizing But you know what, I

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Speaker 1: think we all do. We just don't recognize it. And

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Speaker 1: I've been been doing I've been recognizing. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that before. You know, that's new, you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: sort of humbling that you there's so many things out

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Speaker 2: It's like some of the great artists Michaelangelo, Jean Michelle Basketbly,

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Speaker 2: they they were always learning. That's why they you know,

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Speaker 2: they expressed themselves artistically. And can we say musicians do

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you know what, Kevin, in that process,

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Speaker 1: you don't have time to stay back after you've learned something.

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Speaker 1: You're moving on. You want to learn something more. You

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Speaker 1: keep moving, You keep moving. Well, some folks are stuck,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about what happened yesterday, what happened last year,

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Speaker 1: what happened in eighteen sixty six. But you're moving on.

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Speaker 1: You keep moving on and keep moving for the news discoveries.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you can learn from that history or else.

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Speaker 2: It's liable to repeat itself, as some one of our

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Speaker 2: thinking mindst once long time ago. But speaking of yesterday,

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Speaker 2: that was the all of those primaries that were going

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Speaker 2: on yesterday and the twenty twenty six midterms. Rather and

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Speaker 2: the Texas Republicans had I headed for a runoff senate primary,

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Speaker 2: and the question is will the president get involved?

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Speaker 3: There's a three way, three way race.

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Speaker 2: Between incumbent Senator John and Corning, State Attorney General Ken Paxton,

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Speaker 3: Make that makes sense for us?

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Speaker 1: Girl, Yeah, I spent a lot of money. It was good.

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Speaker 1: We got stations down in Texas. Ope, they're advertising down

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Speaker 1: there because it is the most the most expensive primary ever.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, there's a runoff between Paxton and Corning

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Speaker 1: though Kevin, we ought to talk about Jasmine Crockett.

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Speaker 2: She thinks, yeah, that's next. That's next. You know how

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Speaker 1: Is it taller Rico?

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Speaker 1: Preaching politicians like warnock out in Atlanta, but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So what the very clever Stephen Colbert did was put

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Speaker 1: Right. He weighs two and a half million dollars on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and when Wayne Gilmo's going to talk about those you know,

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Speaker 2: Well he also we're talking about James Tyler Trico, Tollerco. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have helped him with the blackfold, because

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Speaker 2: And so your man of mine, mister Alan Green, appears

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Speaker 2: to be not the singer.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about politics here and Alan Green, the guy

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Speaker 2: that apes and okay does that I did the vou him.

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Speaker 2: He's in a runoff with a young man named Christian Manufie.

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Speaker 2: And you know, man if he holds a narrow lead

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Speaker 1: Well, what they did, Kevin, they redrew his district as

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Speaker 1: That's another runoff for race. We got to keep our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one is interesting, Manafee, young black man, it's

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Speaker 2: thirty seven years old. Well, mister Green is seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: so is it agism too?

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Speaker 3: That's gonna win and I know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are complaining about you know, the elderly is

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Speaker 3: Right right too? Young men? So it's black women.

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Speaker 1: Oh, before you do that, Well, one more race. We

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Speaker 1: got to mention. The seat to replace a Jasmine Crockett

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Speaker 1: in Dallas was run by Freddy Hayneshever Freddy Haynes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Haynes says, I'm running for Congress because District thirty deserves

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Speaker 2: But in African American women's history, our topic today is

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Speaker 1: Her name again, her name is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and she grew up in Texas, a young black

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, young talented sister. Thank you, Kevin, thanks

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Speaker 3: But family, it seems our phone has lost the guests

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she we didn't get Terrence back yet. Terrence Bailey

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Speaker 1: So Terrence Graham Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm still learning. I'm still learning, Terrence. I'm

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Speaker 1: learning that you've been fighting hard to continue the legacy

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Speaker 5: Great uncle.

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Speaker 6: How many five generations removed?

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Speaker 1: Interesting?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? How how did you guys really trace that? Is

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Speaker 1: Is there a family tree that's been kept ever since

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean in our situation, there was there was

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Speaker 1: You know what, we gotta take a break. But Terrence,

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Speaker 1: Now we got videotape and we can share it so

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Speaker 1: and I guess the Terrence Bailey. Terrence is a director

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Speaker 1: And you learn a lot about your family and all

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Speaker 6: Well, we're trying to well we're actually right now trying

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Speaker 6: We've been granted over four hundred about four hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 6: The other thing is the the After American Cultural Center

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Speaker 1: You know what you said, it was sold out twenty

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Speaker 1: Is fifth removed? Is what you said? Terrence fifth removed

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Speaker 1: here that you said it was sold out. I mean,

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Speaker 6: We had one hundred and seventy five seats. Every last

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Speaker 6: Oh no, no, that's a that's an annual event every

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Speaker 6: year for Uncle Freder's birthday we throw a gallon. This

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Speaker 6: That day, that night, we had three African American generals

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Speaker 6: It was a nice event. And then we had several

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Speaker 7: But so it was.

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Speaker 6: It was definitely a family affair, man, it was, and

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Speaker 6: We awarded Governor Wes Moore with the Grace Brooks Award.

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Speaker 6: His award was accepted by Major General Janine Burkeshead, who

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Speaker 6: we found out that night was actually a family member

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. Our family just went I've just learned something.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight after the top, Kevin thows as yours still learning? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I learned that Harrod Tubman and Frederick

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's and it's this. This is why I say

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Speaker 6: So that's one connection right there between the two families.

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Speaker 1: That shows that, you know, I guess the slave owners

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Speaker 1: that meeting, though, Terrence, what are the plans and how

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Speaker 1: can we help?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, that wasn't a meeting. That was that was

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Speaker 6: the gala. There was a formal gala, which was beautiful

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Speaker 6: because you know, every time, every time we throw these galers,

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Speaker 6: we asked everybody who's members of the day asked but

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Speaker 6: to come in traditional West African formal clothes. So man,

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Speaker 6: all the pretty colors and everything in there, and everybody

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Speaker 6: else who didn't come in traditional African African clothes came

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Speaker 6: in uh, tuxedos and even gowns, and man, it was,

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Speaker 6: it was, it was. It was great. But what we

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Speaker 6: need is, you know, we like I said, we're we're five.

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Speaker 5: O one C three.

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Speaker 6: We need uh we need donations. We you know, we

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Speaker 6: we we have the money that we have in grants

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Speaker 6: are all for for building the facility in Carolina County. Uh,

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Speaker 6: we need we need general funds, you know, just to

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Speaker 6: just to just to keep the lights on, which we

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Speaker 6: are are very a low on and so so like

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Speaker 6: you know, we it's it's one thing to have people

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Speaker 6: donate when we like when when the gallows coming up

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Speaker 6: or when we you know, uh, or like when we

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Speaker 6: have the Unity Day event, which is June twenty seventh

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Speaker 6: at the VFW here in Eastern The first Unity Day

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Speaker 6: event is it is is it an annual all you

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Speaker 6: can eat crab these we have vendors and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: We we have that event because you know, some people

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Speaker 6: are not going to celebrate June team and some people

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Speaker 6: are not going to celebrate for for July. So we

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Speaker 6: have the Unity Day event to bring people together, you know,

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Speaker 6: no politics, know anything, just community over some hot crabs,

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Speaker 6: cold beer, uh, music and vendors, maybe a kickball game

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Speaker 6: if we can, if we can get if we can

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Speaker 6: get support. There's a baseball dominion right there on the

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Speaker 6: on the on the property and it's just just just

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Speaker 6: just a good time. And this will be a third

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Speaker 6: an annual event for that. But people will donate to

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Speaker 6: that for you know, to help pay for the crabs

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Speaker 6: and buy tickets or whatnot. But you know, we still

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Speaker 6: need general funds, like don't wait till there's an event,

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Speaker 6: you know, if you believe in the work that we're doing, donate.

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Speaker 6: You know, every everything is tax deductible. We're five one three, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hold that though they're twenty nine away from the

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Speaker 1: top down. I had the discussion we well, we had

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Speaker 1: the discussion with doctor Ray wimbush Uh. I think it

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Speaker 1: was last week we was here Dr Wimbush or was

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Speaker 1: Monday about donating that. You know, it seems in our community,

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Speaker 1: we've we hold on to the We hold onto those

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Speaker 1: dollars real tight. And we and we wonder why members

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Speaker 1: of the Black Caucus, you know, have to go to

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Speaker 1: other groups to get money and they're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: representing us. What can you say to the family that's

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Speaker 1: listening right now, Terrence, you know, you know, just embarrass

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Speaker 1: them a little bit and so they so they'll they

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Speaker 1: know that if we don't keep this legacy alive, it

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Speaker 1: will die. It's up to us. The other folks don't care.

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Speaker 1: They'll be happy if if we don't pass on the

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Speaker 1: knowledge that we learned from our ancestors. So what can

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Speaker 1: you tell them this morning so they can donate to

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Speaker 1: this cause it'll.

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Speaker 5: Do worse than die.

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Speaker 6: It will be co opted by people who are going

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Speaker 6: to take the information and they're gonna dumb it down,

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Speaker 6: and and and and in a lot of cases, they're

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Speaker 6: going to outright lie. If you don't donate, if you're

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Speaker 6: African American and you don't donate to uh tribute to

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Speaker 6: the preservation of our history, you don't complain when when

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Speaker 6: when it's when it's your family that they're talking about

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Speaker 6: in uh, in some lecture and they're giving misinformation about

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Speaker 6: your your particular ancestor because you didn't because you didn't donate.

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Speaker 6: Donating its power, you know it, It gives it gives

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Speaker 6: you a say so in the in the information, you know.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: One of the things that really really pisses me off

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Speaker 6: is when you're doing a project. Let's say you're doing

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Speaker 6: a mural or a statue, or you're building a building,

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Speaker 6: and uh, you end up hiring a white architect, artist, sculptor, whatever,

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Speaker 6: and then some black foot run up on you and say, oh,

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Speaker 6: you couldn't find a black architect to build for that building,

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Speaker 6: You couldn't find a black artist for that mural, you

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Speaker 6: couldn't find a black sculptor. Excuse me, did you donate? Well, well,

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Speaker 6: well I will, I will, I get out my face,

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Speaker 6: because if you had donated, then maybe we could have

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Speaker 6: found a black sculptor, we could have found a black artist,

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Speaker 6: we could have found that black uh architect. But no,

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Speaker 6: that mister Mster Charlie over there not only came with

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Speaker 6: a check, but he came with resources.

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Speaker 7: Where were you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well, on the flip side of that, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: the side of that is that we have the skills too,

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Speaker 1: you know, so maybe if there's something that's that need

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Speaker 1: doing in any of these buildings that you know, any

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Speaker 1: plumbing or electrician or something like that, they can donate

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Speaker 1: their services. And how would they know what.

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Speaker 6: What okay for one thing? A lot a lot of

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Speaker 6: these projects if you put out if you get if

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Speaker 6: you get a certain amount of money from a grant,

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Speaker 6: Let's let's say the state of Maryland gave one hundred

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars. If they gave one hundred thousand dollars for

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Speaker 6: the project, and then you have to put it out

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Speaker 6: for bid, right and a lot of times most times

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Speaker 6: we don't get bids from you don't get bids from

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Speaker 6: black companies. I've not heard from one African American owned

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Speaker 6: company about this. Anna Mury Douglas Project not one.

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Speaker 1: Why is that though?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 1: They don't know?

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Speaker 8: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Was it any advertised or talked about in the black community?

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that no bids? Because we have

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Speaker 1: the people out there that can do these jobs and

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Speaker 1: do it well.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 6: I do as much preciciseed prosecute. I talked as many

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Speaker 6: papers used to exact prosecute. This is like what the

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Speaker 6: third or fourth time I've been on your show. Uh,

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Speaker 6: I do the local news down here on Eastern Shore.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's no there's no reason it's on

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Speaker 6: the website, you know, like well, once the build opens up,

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Speaker 6: it will be on the website. But but you know,

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Speaker 6: I I talk to people all the time, and I

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Speaker 6: know I know there's you know a bunch of black

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Speaker 6: business because I've talked to them. A matter of fact,

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Speaker 6: I've been talking to a black architect. Uh that that

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Speaker 6: this doesn't work down at.

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Speaker 5: At you at U N E.

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Speaker 6: S And Salisburg State each yet to put in a bid.

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Speaker 6: It's and then and then you've gotta be careful with

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Speaker 6: some of this work. When when you get people and

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Speaker 6: it doesn't matter you know what background they have, when

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Speaker 6: they when they when they talk about comp and work,

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Speaker 6: I've learned. I've learned in the past that it's not

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Speaker 6: good to have people comp work all the time. It

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Speaker 6: depends me because if you have somebody comp a job

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Speaker 6: for you on a nonprofit project U meaning that they're

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Speaker 6: going to use their services or whatnot, and they're gonna charge,

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Speaker 6: they're not going to charge that they're going to do

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Speaker 6: the work and and they're not gonna you know what

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Speaker 6: I mean before the now product doesn't don't have to

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Speaker 6: pay anything. I've we've had some bad experiences with that,

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Speaker 6: with with with with with with some people that said, oh,

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Speaker 6: well for your mirror, we're gonna build this wall for

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Speaker 6: you and whatnot, and they just it was a nightmare,

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Speaker 6: and we we had no leverage because they became being calmed.

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Speaker 6: We weren't paying them, so we were kind of at

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Speaker 6: their mercy and it held up the project. We we

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Speaker 6: we we end up losing potential donation revenue. And and

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Speaker 6: so in my and my past experience, a lot of

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Speaker 6: times it's best to pay. It's best to do you

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Speaker 6: do dialience, raise the money and pay what you owe.

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Speaker 6: And it's it's certain, you know, donations are always always important.

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Speaker 6: It gives, it gives, it gives power to the project,

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Speaker 6: especially you know what what's what it's done in our community.

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Speaker 6: It gives power to the project. You remember food boo or.

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Speaker 1: U hold on? Hold up all right that I gotta

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Speaker 1: step aside and check the traffic and news and weather

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Speaker 1: in our different cities. Are twenty three minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of the hour. Terrence Bailey's I guess family,

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Speaker 1: he's a directors Centant of Frederick Douglas discussing how to

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Speaker 1: maintain Frederick Dus Douglas's legacy. What are your thoughts? You

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Speaker 1: can pop in with us at eight hundred four five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking phone calls.

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Speaker 1: We check the news, trafficking weather, that's next and grand

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Speaker 1: rising family. Thanks for waking up with us on this

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. It's a hump day. That means we're halfway

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Speaker 1: through the work week. It's seventeen minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of the out with our guests at Terrence Bailey

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Speaker 1: terms to the director Centat of Frederick Douglas and he's

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Speaker 1: talking about the legacy of Frederick Douglas, how to maintain

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Speaker 1: that legacy Before we go back to the Olymnistry. Remind

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Speaker 1: me come up late this morning. We're gonna speak with

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Speaker 1: John Collis. Why I should say doctor John Collis some

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Speaker 1: of you Can you see that a picture of him

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Speaker 1: in the sixty Olympics in Mexico City when he and

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Speaker 1: Tommys Smith put the fist in the air and they

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Speaker 1: got kicked out of the game. So he's going to

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Speaker 1: talk to us about that athlete and activists and for

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Speaker 1: those young folks, this is way before Colin Kaepernick did

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Speaker 1: his thing. Anyway, before we get to the Faith Brothers

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Speaker 1: are going to discuss the issue of racism in religion.

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Speaker 1: Who knew this was racism in religion? And before we

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Speaker 1: talk to the Faith Brothers, a New York City media analyst,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Gilden is going to join us. We discussed the

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Speaker 1: equal time rule that was impacted Tuesday's Texas primary and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow we're going to join by the University of Houston's

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Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horne, also geopolitical analyst, and Matthew Hoe will

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Speaker 1: be with us. So if you are in Baltimore and

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep that radio locked in tight on

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Speaker 1: ten ten w LB, or if you're in the d

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Speaker 1: m B we're on fourteen fifty w L terrensh I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you finish your thought and when you finish,

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Speaker 1: the doctor Hakei in Baltimore has a question for you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I understand that, you know, it's best to pay.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's good sometimes when when people want to

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Speaker 6: camp things or whatnot, but you have to be careful

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Speaker 6: what you comp and it's best to to to pay,

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Speaker 6: you know when when you're doing it. We're working in

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Speaker 6: a nonprofit space that when when people you know, need

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Speaker 6: services done, best to invoice them the you know, we

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Speaker 6: need more people like like the last on on we

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Speaker 6: talked about miss Sonya Fogan Fogy that she was the

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Speaker 6: sole donate, the sole contributor to the Anna Murray project

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Speaker 6: and was and through her generous donation, we were able

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Speaker 6: to pay for all the insurances that was needed to

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Speaker 6: get to push the grant process forward. And again you

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Speaker 6: know that was a donation towards an actual project. Uh

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Speaker 6: you know, we you know, dont you know to be

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Speaker 6: a successful PROPA one C three you need a sustained

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Speaker 6: donation campaign. So you know that's that's the weird need

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Speaker 6: of right at the current time.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I'll let you repeat that before we

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Speaker 1: leave this morning. Fourteen Away from the topic. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: doctor Hankey is checking in from Baltimore Cities on Line one.

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Speaker 1: Grand rising doctor Hakra on Terrence Bailey.

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Speaker 9: Yes, sir, yes, sir, Grand rising to you by the

654
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 9: car and good to hear about the tads.

655
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: How you doing better? I'm doing good. Chi. How you doing? Brother?

656
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 9: A great great great? No, No, I appreciate you having

657
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 9: call having on again of course. You know, yeah, we

658
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 9: had a great time at the two hundred eighth Gala celebration.

659
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 9: I had the pleasure of being president, of course, so

660
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 9: it was always good to go back home to Easton.

661
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

662
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 9: But I wanted I wanted, Yeah, we had it was

663
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 9: It was definitely a good crowd and people always come

664
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 9: out have a good time. But I wanted to mention

665
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 9: just this, you know, in Maryland, brother, and and you know,

666
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 9: definitely we got to work on getting Last week there

667
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 9: was was called nb E Night. That's my minority business enterprise.

668
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 9: So I mean you have probably like close to a few,

669
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 9: maybe a thousand at least people in Annapolis.

670
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 5: So every year.

671
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 9: Many black businesses, mostly it was black. They just called

672
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 9: it night. But all of the people there were black,

673
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 9: but you know, I know a sister clock construction. I mean,

674
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 9: I'm trying to give just one, but I'm sure there

675
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 9: was a significant amount of uh you know, construction slash

676
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 9: architecture contractors present dead. And this is where you know,

677
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 9: doing O do just go for anything. This in general,

678
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 9: you got to do your due diligence with you know, contractors,

679
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 9: et cetera, et cetera, because you know, I know, uh

680
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 9: many get a bed, you know, reputation, but uh sometimes

681
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 9: you know it's it's it's you know, they try to

682
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 9: get over and I've had some rather recently and you

683
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 9: know I posted about it. People think, you know, oh,

684
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 9: you don't like black businesses or something.

685
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 10: I like not.

686
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 9: People just gotta got to do right, man, And you know,

687
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 9: and because and it makes me want to feel like

688
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 9: I got to learn certain things about you know, various

689
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 9: projects to now allow for people to take like advantage.

690
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 9: Some of these contractors will sit on and just you know,

691
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 9: exploit money. So you know, we gotta be careful about that.

692
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 9: But that's all I want to say. I may hopefully

693
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 9: ill see you this week at to Peace Blessed.

694
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: Darn Yes, yeah again you know what I mean, it's

695
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 6: uh sustain support of five oh one c three's that

696
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 6: that that that helped you preserve our history or what not.

697
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 6: Always need to always need genuine support from from our community.

698
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 6: If I'll say, for instance, like the mural we did,

699
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 6: the Frederick does Legacy maural that's in the Hill community,

700
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 6: which is the oldest free black community still in existence

701
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 6: in the United States. It's that mural depicts a four

702
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 6: hundred year history of of the Frederick Dunes family from

703
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 6: the slave ships to Kamala Harris. It's it's a it's

704
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 6: a one, it's a one of a kind in the

705
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 6: world mural. It even has an Annie Douglas in the

706
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 6: mural who died suddenly at the age of twelve years

707
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 6: old after the execution of John Brown. There's only it

708
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 6: was Uncle Frederick's youngest daughter. There's only one picture surviving

709
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 6: of her in the world, and that picture was used

710
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 6: to make to depict her in this mirror. Now, the

711
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 6: person who the donor who came with the twenty two

712
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 6: hundred dollars I mean, I'm sorry, twenty two thousand dollars

713
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: that the artist was asking for to paint this mirror

714
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 6: was a Latina Afro Latina lady from Rochester, New York.

715
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: Now when she came with when she offered the money,

716
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 6: and we we actually I actually had my eye on

717
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: a artist from Rochester named Sean Dunwoodie. Dunwoodie. She came

718
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 6: with the twenty one twenty two thousand dollars and said,

719
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 6: I will give you this twenty two thousand dollars if

720
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 6: you hire Michael Rossotto, the artist who did the Harriet

721
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 6: Tubman and take my hand mural. There was no one

722
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 6: else donating at the time.

723
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 5: We uh.

724
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 6: And Michael Rosotto is as an Italian felt as an

725
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 6: Italian fell brother from Florida. She had she she she

726
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 6: donated the money and she said this is who we

727
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 6: You can have this money if he does the mural.

728
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 6: So guess guess what he ended up doing the Mieral

729
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 6: so uh and and with these other projects, you know, uh,

730
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 6: you know, people will come to you and they'll say, hey,

731
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 6: I got X amount of dollars. Let me introduce you

732
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 6: to this architect, let me introduce you to this contractor,

733
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: let me introduce you to this I'll give you this

734
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 6: money if this and so and so, you know, I mean,

735
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 6: they come with conditions with the money, and I said

736
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 6: a lot of times ify people that's outside of our community.

737
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 6: If we if we're not getting money from from our community,

738
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: then we're stuck with the project done or not. That's

739
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 6: why it's important for black folks to donate to black causes.

740
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm glad you laid it out like that. Thanks

741
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: the doctor Hockey for your call. Nine away from the

742
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: top of the hour, teris what's being done for the

743
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: young people? How can we get these young people in

744
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: because at some point, you know, we're going to have

745
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: to make our exit and we want the legacy for

746
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: the next generation, the following generation to continue to say

747
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: they all know the greatness of Frederick Derections and all

748
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: the other legacy freedom fighters families that you mentioned that

749
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: were at the event. What are we doing for to

750
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: get the young people involved and engaged in these projects.

751
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 6: We'll be engaging our kids through the After American Historical

752
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 6: Society and the Cultural Center. In the Cultural Center, it

753
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 6: is proposed to have two satellite HBCU offices in the

754
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 6: Cultural Center. This this will open open things up for

755
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 6: service learning, especially within high schools and in college of

756
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 6: service learning. Uh, those kids that are coming through the

757
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 6: those satellite offices and and going off HBCUs to turn

758
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 6: around and recruit them back into the cultural center at

759
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 6: the Historical Society as as a paid researchers and and

760
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 6: social workers and stuff like that, uh and and and

761
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 6: you know, developing youth programs or whatnot. So that that's

762
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 6: that's the ultimate goal of the of the satellite offices

763
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 6: being in the in the cultural center and uh for

764
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 6: the HBCUs. And there will be a h A pilot program,

765
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 6: you know, because in the in the town of East

766
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 6: and there are two flight schools in the town of

767
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 6: Eastern and we we our goal is to utilize those

768
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 6: those flight schools and bring them in to teach young

769
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 6: uh uh black and brown boys and girls how to

770
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 6: fly uh at at a at a young age. And

771
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 6: you know, I don't from my personal experience, when you

772
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 6: empower youth and and give them a path to success,

773
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 6: they usually come back later two to uh to to

774
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 6: to say thank you and and and to return the

775
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: favor to other uh other kids that were in their position.

776
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 6: So you know, the goal is to give to give

777
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 6: the youth something to come back to the come you know,

778
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 6: to come back. Great for me and to come back

779
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 6: and want to and want to lift up the others

780
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 6: behind them up. One of my philosophies is there's no

781
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 6: sense in walking through a door if you're not going

782
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 6: to kick your u either walking through a door that

783
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 6: was that was closed to you before, if you're not

784
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 6: going to kick your leg back to hold it open

785
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 6: for your brother or your sister, because it makes no

786
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 6: good to you to be the only one walking through

787
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 6: that door. Don't be that person that says I'm the

788
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 6: only so and so that that that made it through here.

789
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: You're not doing nobody no favors. If you didn't bring

790
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 6: nobody with you, I'll share you.

791
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: To that sticks away from the top of the talance.

792
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things that when you

793
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: engage these young people, they're gonna have to do some research,

794
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: and some of the some of Harrod Tumman, Frederick Douglas

795
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: and William Still, they're gonna have to do some research,

796
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: even if it's just cursory, so they'll know what they

797
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: getting involved with. And this helps keeps the legacy alive

798
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: so they can pass it on to their generation. That's

799
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: why I was asking about the children, always asking about

800
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: the children, because we've got it. We've got to keep

801
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: it alive because we're not going to be here all

802
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: the time, and neither they. So from generations to generations,

803
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: other groups do this somehow. Sometimes we dropped the ball

804
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: on different things, especial when it comes to our young people.

805
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, it just exists and we don't know what

806
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: they did or what a great ancestors accomplished. Some children

807
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: don't even know what their parents accomplished. You know, they

808
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: don't know the great things because their parents never have

809
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: these conversations with them and they hear it secondhand from somebody.

810
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, your dad did this, your dad did this.

811
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: And case in point of having the conversation with Kerry

812
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Gordy after the program yesterday and we're talking about Abner

813
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: used to be it was the president of Motown. It

814
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: used to be Stevie's manager. Few we were at the

815
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: funeral and they're saying that adding the summer, people come

816
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: up here and tell me about my dad this, my

817
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: dad this because Abner never told him all the great

818
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: stories that all the great artists that they work because

819
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: it was a lot, so you know, he didn't really

820
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: have a chance to tell him. So I just bring

821
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: that as an example that we need to tell our

822
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: young people the stories, even the stories of our grandparents

823
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: to pass it on. So there's no problem when it

824
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: comes to donating. Like what we have to do now

825
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: to keep Frederick Douglas's legacy a lot and you know,

826
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: you know we want. I appreciate those to Terrence that

827
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: you've included the other legacy freedom fighters families in this

828
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: event as well and bringing them together. That's a unifying

829
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: force right there, just one stop, you get all the

830
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: information you need and it's right there. So I really

831
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Listen, we got to check the traffic and

832
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities. It's four minutes away from

833
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: the top day hour. When we come back, please tell

834
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: us how folks can help you because we still need

835
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: to help donations. So if we could do it on

836
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: a regular basis, I know some people do that as well,

837
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: especially some of these corporations that if they need it

838
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: is because he say it's five. I want to see

839
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: if they need looking for a tax ride office, something

840
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: they can get involved family. You two can join our

841
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: conversation with Terrence Bayliss to mention that the Director Center

842
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglass All you have to do is reach

843
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

844
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: eight seventy six, and we'll take a phone calls after

845
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: we check the trafficking weather. That's next and Grand Rising family,

846
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.

847
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, it's a hump day of course Wednesday,

848
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: that means we're halfway through the work week with our

849
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: guest at Terrence Bailey. Terrence is a director cenator of

850
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglass and Terrence. I guess some folks want to

851
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: talk to you before we speak with Wayne Gilman. We're

852
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna talk New York media analysts Wayne Gilmen. But Tyrone

853
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: is calling from Baltimore's online one Grand Rising. Tyrone, he're

854
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: on with Terrence.

855
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm on coming in the tale in the Grand Rising.

856
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: Everybody here Rising, Terrence and Grand Rising a call. I'll

857
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: come in, probably tailing the conversation, but I just wanted

858
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 5: to and I think your brother's great what he's providing here.

859
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 5: I myself have been done to about possibly starting a

860
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 5: trades who or something with REGARDSS to helping young black

861
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: managed how much in life? You know, I have three

862
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 5: master trade licenses myself and a business. But we also

863
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: need to because of the fact that we need have

864
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: jobs for these young people. Once we and I'm not

865
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: trying to be you know, opposite or anything, but once

866
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: we produce the training that they need, we didn't have

867
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 5: jobs for them. And I've seen a lot of stuff

868
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: where people have provided training and the trades, but they

869
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: you know, haven't. And with the government as you know,

870
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: and I've done the stuff of the government too where

871
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: they didn't have jobs as young people once they were done.

872
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: So my thing is that we have the assets to

873
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 5: do both. We have vacant housing, all right, and we

874
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 5: don't take advantage of vacant housing. It's just like the

875
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 5: comparison I can give is what uh the leader of

876
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: the key Fossil Aventuri is doing. They have everything you need.

877
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 5: They don't need food, they they have gold and everything else.

878
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: But people are tracking that well the country. So if

879
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: you threw the French out, well we need to do

880
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 5: is figure out that we can put these houses together ourselves.

881
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: We only need rich white people come here and uh

882
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: develop our assets and extract wealth from our community. We

883
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: didn't take those billies of dollars the government centing here

884
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 5: to fix these houses that circulated it in the black community. Okay,

885
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 5: we need to remember that, and we can trade our

886
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 5: young people to trades and provide affordable housing for our people.

887
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 5: That's our biggest asset, those houses and those lots. That's

888
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: an asset. We cannot continue to let rich white folks

889
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: would be huss up black sellouts take land and probably

890
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 5: out of the Black community. The Jewish community would never

891
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: allow that.

892
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: So and Tyron, we raised the clock, said let's give

893
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: Terrence a chance to respond to what you just said.

894
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: But I thank you for your call, and oh yeah,

895
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 5: I want your website out real quick, and then please

896
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 5: bought more thumb forms out ward. That's a solution. I'll

897
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: raise our solution.

898
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 11: Thank you.

899
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 12: Yeah.

900
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: And Tyrone, when you do that, do it real slow

901
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: because people call you do it so fast they don't

902
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: get it. So do it again.

903
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 5: But we give it the real flow the website to

904
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 5: where we actually had a bill passed concerning I think

905
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 5: just put it to put any money to its Baltimore

906
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 5: the number four homes out or Baltimore the know four

907
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: homes out, or which did I could tay you to

908
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: let people take resources from our community and take it

909
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: back to where they live. Thank you.

910
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: Thanks that, Ron and Terrence. What are you saying about

911
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, having our young people, you know, learn these

912
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: trades and they can help in your project. Before we

913
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: let you go, what is next on the agenda and

914
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: how can we help you again? And and give us

915
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: all the contact information?

916
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 6: Okay I if you check your text message, Carl I

917
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 6: sent you a flyer with all the programs and things

918
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 6: that the Culture Center would would would be offering, one

919
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 6: of them being a We were talked about giving these

920
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 6: kids some inspirations so they learn about the Harriet Tubmans

921
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: and Frederick Douglases and stuff like that.

922
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

923
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 6: There there would be a genealogy department. Uh in that

924
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 6: Cultural Center would pay genealogists free to the community, the

925
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 6: free to the African American community to to to to

926
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 6: learn their their roots, especially for the kids. Because everybody

927
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 6: has a Frederick Douglas, a Harriet Tubman and Henry Holland Garnet,

928
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 6: a Robert Small somebody to that in their family. You

929
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 6: gotta help them find it. And by doing that, you

930
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 6: give these kids some pride, and you and and you

931
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 6: and you'll give families, uh something to talk about at

932
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 6: the family reunion. So if you want to help us,

933
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 6: our website is f d Hill dot org. Our mailing

934
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 6: address is peel box two six six Newcomb. That's uh

935
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: N E W C O M B Maryland two one

936
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 6: six five three. All donations are tax deductible. UH we

937
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 6: will any donations we receive, we will. We will put

938
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 6: a list of uh you know, the thank yous up

939
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 6: on our Facebook page. The Fredick does this Unity Day

940
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 6: event all you can eat crafties event. We were still

941
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 6: looking for vendors and everything and those tickets for seventy

942
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 6: five dollars for the all you can need all you

943
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 6: can eat crabs, fried chicken, uh fried catfish corner on

944
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 6: the cob. It would be June the twenty seventh at

945
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 6: the VFW and Eastern Maryland. Those tickets are on sale

946
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 6: now at fdhill dot org and just for regular donations,

947
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 6: sponsorship package will be available soon for a business we

948
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 6: we'd like to get a bunch of black businesses to

949
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 6: be sponsors for this event this year. It would be

950
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 6: great to have a bunch of black businesses up on

951
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 6: the on the banner, on the welcome banner for people

952
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 6: to come to the event.

953
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: This year.

954
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 6: You know, we look, look, we're looking for some more

955
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 6: soundra fogies that that that they will donate and make

956
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 6: a difference. And again thank you to miss Phogy for

957
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 6: her generous donation and helping us get the insurance for

958
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 6: the animur Dogess Visitor Heritage Center because of because of her,

959
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: the project was able to go forward.

960
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: All right, she's one of our listeners. So thank you, Sandra,

961
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Thank you Uh, and again, thank you again Terrence. And

962
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: what if you're on the late train. Terrence is trying

963
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: to raise money to keep the legacy of his descendant.

964
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: He's a director senator of Frederick Douglas as he included

965
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: all the other legacy freedom fighter families involved in this

966
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: as well. So Terrence, keep us in the loop. And

967
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you need anything, we'll come back and

968
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: let's let's make up. Let's do it ourselves with our hands,

969
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: our money. Let's let's make this happen. So thanks Terrence,

970
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: thanks for sharing that with us.

971
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Speaker 6: I appreciate you having me man.

972
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks again, all right, family, just keep moving. Our

973
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: next guest to eight half the top there, Wayne Gilman,

974
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Wayne Uh, media analyst the news director w b LS

975
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: in New York City when we talk about, uh, the

976
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: equal time rule, you know, in politics, and the role

977
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: that he played in in Texas, the Texas Primery yesterday

978
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: before we do that though, Wayne Grand rising right to.

979
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 8: You, Carl, and I tell you I was just you

980
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 8: just threw me back a couple of minutes ago. I

981
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 8: was listening to your previous guests and you invoked the

982
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 8: memory of Ewart Abner Junior, and gee, that name goes back.

983
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 8: And you know, it is so important that we basically

984
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 8: do a lot to retain our history because there's so

985
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 8: much of it and and as you said earlier, so

986
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 8: many people, young people are not even aware of what

987
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 8: we've done.

988
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: I know, you know, speaking about history though we were

989
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: getting ready to send home at Rev and Jesse Jackson,

990
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: I know you've been in the media. I think Revin

991
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: Jackson was interviewed by everybody in the media at some

992
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: level at some time in their in their profession. What

993
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: do you remember about Revin Jackson?

994
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's funny. And I just for clarity purposes,

995
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 8: I was formerly news director of WBL some WLIB. I

996
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 8: just worked there part time now with the new company

997
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 8: that owns the station, and The thing is, Reverend Jackson

998
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 8: was basically one of the I wouldn't say owners necessarily,

999
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 8: but he had a tremendous amount of investment in Inner

1000
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 8: City Broadcasting Corporation, which was the original I should say,

1001
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: by the time it became Blackall and it was owned

1002
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 8: by the family of the late Percy Sutton, who was

1003
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 8: a Manhattan Boro president and quite a political figure in

1004
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 8: the history of New York politics, former lawyer of CA

1005
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 8: Malcolm X Martin, Luther King, and others, and Jesse was

1006
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 8: among those who basically invested with the company. I'm saying

1007
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 8: all this to say that because of that close relationship,

1008
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 8: there were a lot of I guess, relationships that were fostered,

1009
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 8: even if a young person and even if you didn't

1010
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 8: even if you just read about these people but did

1011
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: not know them personally, because of working at Mike CBC

1012
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 8: way back when you got to know them. And I

1013
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 8: could still consider the privilege that I had a chance

1014
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 8: to basically talk to Reverend Jesse Jackson on a regular basis.

1015
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 8: I mean there were mornings that basically his comments to

1016
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 8: me in an early morning phone call but basically developed

1017
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 8: the news cycle for a day or a week, and

1018
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 8: in his case running for the presidency twice. I can't

1019
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 8: begin to tell you the importance of his involvement, and

1020
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 8: a lot of that was spearheaded by the late chairman

1021
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 8: Percy east Sutton. But my memories of him is that

1022
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 8: always focused, always on target about the issues of the day.

1023
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 8: Even if you differed with him, you know, he would

1024
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 8: give you reason to basically challenge your thoughts about whatever

1025
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 8: differences you may have. But I mean it to me,

1026
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 8: it's a tremendous loss. There's so many there's so many

1027
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 8: people who followed in the footsteps Reverendentil Sharpton. For one,

1028
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 8: to have a story that I've said many times, and

1029
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 8: forgive me if I'm repeating it here. I grew up Catholic.

1030
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 8: I grew up in Brooklyn, and all I knew was Catholicism.

1031
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 8: Never got around to the Baptist churches, actually until I

1032
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 8: became a professional in the business and I admired what

1033
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 8: was going on in the Baptist Church. But you know,

1034
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 8: it was just so because the parental influence and you know,

1035
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 8: basically guided in the Catholic direction. And David Lampell, who

1036
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 8: was formerly the news director at the station. You know

1037
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 8: David basically was giving an assignment, which I believe came

1038
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 8: in directly from the Chairman of Emeritis through the Reverend

1039
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 8: Jesse Jackson, to attend a week long conference in Orlando

1040
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 8: at the Disney World Establishment there a number of years ago.

1041
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 8: I'm going back like maybe even thirty years. So I

1042
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 8: got that assignment. It was really a pleasure to be,

1043
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 8: you know, rubbing shoulders with Benny, the people that you know,

1044
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 8: the Reverend would talk about other people in the media

1045
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 8: and things like that. And again, because of the development

1046
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 8: of the Reverend howl Sharpton in those days, he did

1047
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 8: not have let's say, the gravitized that he basically is

1048
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 8: so comfortable with right now because of what he's gone through.

1049
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 8: But I'll never forget leaving the conference having an interview

1050
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 8: with Reverend Jackson, and just before I was leaving, he

1051
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 8: knew that I was going to be Sharpton. Well, and

1052
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 8: this is not disparage Reverend Jackson at all, but I

1053
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 8: had never heard the Minister curse the way I heard

1054
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 8: him curse that day. You tell that Stone and so

1055
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 8: far Sharpton. You know, when I get to New York,

1056
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 8: I'm gonna put him in this place, you know, it

1057
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 8: was funny. I mean I was really taken back by it.

1058
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 8: And when I got back to New York, I shared

1059
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 8: the story with Sharpton. Of course, this is ancient history now,

1060
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 8: but I was just really taken back that he was

1061
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 8: so comfortable with just throwing out words that I had

1062
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 8: never heard any minister used. Clearly not in the Catholic Church.

1063
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that they're you know, beyond you know,

1064
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 8: giving their own references in terms of what they were considered,

1065
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 8: you know, inexcusable behavior at times. Obviously the church is

1066
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 8: rich in that history. But I was always taken back

1067
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 8: by that, and I shared it with We had a laugh,

1068
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 8: and as time went on, the two of them were

1069
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 8: very close. You would think that there was competition going on,

1070
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 8: but Reverend Sharpton had so much admiration for Reverend Jackson

1071
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 8: and the two of them worked together. I mean, it's

1072
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 8: just amazing the history that was there. And to I

1073
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 8: consider eighty four as I get older, very young, and

1074
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 8: I still feel that, you know, Reverend Jackson probably had

1075
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 8: still more gas in his tank to basically energize the movement,

1076
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 8: and if ever there was a time for that to happen,

1077
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 8: it is right now. But you know it is what

1078
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 8: it is me hear that?

1079
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen a half how and the funeral is going

1080
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: to be on Saturday. And for Reverend Jackson, three presidents

1081
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: a former president is going to be there. Clinton, Obama,

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Speaker 1: and Biden all going to be at his funeral. So

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Speaker 1: that's a testament to what they think of Reverend Jason Jackson.

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Speaker 1: You know, could bring up because we're going on a break.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, beinging rad some of the things

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Speaker 1: that people don't understand. The people we meet, and I

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Speaker 1: guess Reverend Jackson were really he's really considered close. That's

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Speaker 1: why I use those choice words because the people have

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Speaker 1: been around him, they know that. But another another person

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Speaker 1: he's still with us, Minister fire Kahn, as you remember

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Speaker 1: that was right, Simon, and I know on Fridays to

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Speaker 1: tape him every Friday before and he would give out

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Speaker 1: the tapes to all the black stations at that time,

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Speaker 1: family black radio, well radio particularly had to do a

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Speaker 1: certain amount of religion, and our religion at that time

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Speaker 1: when we recall was the Nation of Islam, or the

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Speaker 1: Black Muslims as they call him. And a young minister

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Speaker 1: Louis Farkhon recorded those those tapes on Friday. Do you

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Speaker 1: recall having conversations with him?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. I remember when he was I have

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Speaker 8: Templed number seven in Harlem and I had a chance

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Speaker 8: to go in there interview him as a young reporter,

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Speaker 8: and you know, I got very much emotionally involved with

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Speaker 8: the Nation of Islam. Never became a member, but I

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Speaker 8: understood what they were about. I thought it was importance.

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Speaker 8: You know, having grown up in New York and Brooklyn,

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Speaker 8: I lived through some of the riots that went on

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Speaker 8: and some of the problems that were happening in our community,

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Speaker 8: even back in the seventies. And you know, Minister farc

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Speaker 8: was always on point. And it's funny, you know, to

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Speaker 8: tell you the impact. I can't speak for your experience

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Speaker 8: as a kids yengle age, and I'm certain it's probably

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Speaker 8: been the same. But when you put minister farking on

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Speaker 8: a Sunday morning, we used to rute him from seven

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Speaker 8: to eight. I was responsible for making the dub of

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Speaker 8: the tape that we would get from the Nation and

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Speaker 8: put it on reel to reel back then, and that

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Speaker 8: one would bring so many listeners that it was like

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Speaker 8: one of the highest rating time slots. At the station

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Speaker 8: on the weekend and then.

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Speaker 1: Right and all, I thought, right that way the stings,

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Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to share with the folks about

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Speaker 1: the impact of Minister Lewis Falcon. But we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the equal time rule when we get back, family,

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Speaker 1: you two can get in on this conversation. Wayne Gilman

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Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred and four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taket

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and grind rising family. Thanks for starting

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday with us. Are twenty minutes after the top

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Speaker 1: of the air. I guess there media analyst the Wayne

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Speaker 1: Gilman And before we left, Wayne, is where I was

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Speaker 1: moving to is the equal time rule that played the

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Speaker 1: part in this election in Texas? Can you fill us

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Speaker 1: in what your thoughts about that with that whole thing

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Speaker 1: with Colbert.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, to be honest with you, you know, I

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01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 8: know jasonin Crockett the uh. She's a brilliant, firebrand member

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 8: of the House and did her best trying to challenge

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Speaker 8: till Rico. But I understand, not that I understand, but

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Speaker 8: I remember reading that she had given a heck of

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 8: a lot of criticism to Stephen Colbert over the whole

1142
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Speaker 8: issue with the banning of airing that interview that he

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01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 8: had with Tilrico. But you know, from what I understand,

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 8: it was basically a CBS issue, and because of the

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 8: ownership they're now changing and their ties to the FCC,

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01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 8: basically had an impact, I would like to think, to

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Speaker 8: a certain extent, carrying the race, because out of nowhere,

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Speaker 8: once that became public and it became a political issue

1149
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 8: like anything else that thrives in the news cycle, all

1150
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Speaker 8: of a sudden, donations had shut up for him, and

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 8: what money she was getting was nowhere near compared to

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Speaker 8: what he had received in the final days of his campaign.

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Speaker 8: All right, So now he is the designated winner of

1154
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 8: that comment test. We'll see if he's able to, you know,

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Speaker 8: pass the mustard in November to become the Democratic US

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Speaker 8: Senator for Texas.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold that right there? Way, Oh wait, he's

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: talking about family hold out. First second and twenty two

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Speaker 1: after the top of what was going on in that

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Speaker 1: race with Jasmine Crockett. She was leading in the polls

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Speaker 1: going up to that until that happened. And that one

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Speaker 1: with what Colbert's people did, they they released it on

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Speaker 1: YouTube and it got millions of copies, He went viral,

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Speaker 1: and he raised two and a half million dollars. This

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Speaker 1: is the weekend before the race, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you know, come up to the race, it tips the

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Speaker 1: race in his favor, and he wins the election on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's and it was all, you know, all about this

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Speaker 1: equal time rule. We could talk about with what's going

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Speaker 1: on with CBS and the changes as well, But because

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Speaker 1: you recall and why don't you just explain to the

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Speaker 1: audience when have that equal time rule or works?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, basically, for what I remember way back

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 8: when when we started, if you had someone on as

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Speaker 8: a guest regarding of whatever controversy news story that you're covering,

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Speaker 8: that we were required to provide an opposing point of

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Speaker 8: view to keep everything objective, you know, to keep things balanced.

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Speaker 8: But as media has grown over the years that I've

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Speaker 8: been in it, there's no balance. You know, there's back

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 8: there's always political back and forth. But as long as

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Speaker 8: particularly in a network situation, as long as you extend

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Speaker 8: the courtesy to the person with the opposing point of

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 8: view to go on the air, it's left to them

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Speaker 8: to come back on and refute whatever arguments that were presented,

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Speaker 8: you know, with regard to the subjects being discussed. And

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Speaker 8: all of a sudden, now it just seems with the

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Speaker 8: new leadership of the FCC, that rule is resurfacing. Its

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Speaker 8: something that's highly important, and they're using it as an

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Speaker 8: excuse basically for their benefit, you know, And it wasn't

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Speaker 8: that way for years. And I'm not talking about Republican administrations.

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Speaker 8: Democrats who appointed commissioners to the FCC were somewhat lenient

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Speaker 8: when it came to issues like that, unless it was

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Speaker 8: so controversial that an opposing point of view had to

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Speaker 8: be provided, you know. But the nature of the beast

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Speaker 8: has changed. You know, maybe what we did back in

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Speaker 8: the seventies and eighties, as far as being reporter advocates

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Speaker 8: to the community, it was important because a lot of

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Speaker 8: the stories that we would have covered back then was

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Speaker 8: not covered by the white press. And no matter how

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Speaker 8: much you may challenge them with that, you know, it

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01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 8: actually gave us a base to develop our institutions. And

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Speaker 8: you know, next thing you knew, there were a whole

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Speaker 8: bunch of stations across the country, all in by black people. Well, unfortunately, sadly,

1204
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 8: things have changed, you know, and not changed for the better.

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 8: But I would say for all media, everything is undergoing

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 8: a massive change. But they used that tool, you know,

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Speaker 8: to go against miss Crockett, I believe, and in backfire.

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Speaker 8: But the other thing too, maybe she was not able

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Speaker 8: to penetrate some of the people that she thought that

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Speaker 8: would have joined her campaign, that would clearly intill Rico's

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Speaker 8: area in terms of support. You know, I cite the

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Speaker 8: Latino community that came out one of the interviews and

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Speaker 8: reflections yesterday from people who were you know, intensely covering

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Speaker 8: the campaign. Apparently he connects did with that community for

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Speaker 8: some reason, better than she did, and there are hardly

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Speaker 8: any differences between them politically.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well all I thought that Wayne, let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: that's an important point that she made at twenty six

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Speaker 1: after the top. Do you think because you know, some

1221
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Speaker 1: people have said that she's too brash, she's too they

1222
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: don't like her. It was a style you know, he

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he was really he was religious, and

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Speaker 1: you know you mentioned being Catholic. Most of the Latinos

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Speaker 1: a Katholic. Do you think it was that religious connection

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: and for a black woman who's outspoken always they try

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Speaker 1: to paint them as the angry black woman. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You hear that all the time, even

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Speaker 1: black folks were saying that she was too she was

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Speaker 1: too sharp, she was too she needed to be more refined,

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Speaker 1: whatever that means. You know, we're talking about Jasmine Crockett here. Family.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that played a part in the decision

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Speaker 1: why she lost the race?

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Speaker 8: No, you know, I to be honest with you, I mean,

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Speaker 8: she came out of nowhere. I mean she not to

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 8: say that she didn't have a history, but until she

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01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 8: was able to get on the congressional platform and basically

1238
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 8: be outspoken about the issues that a lot of us

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Speaker 8: have been facing and some folks at our party have

1240
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Speaker 8: been a little bit too timid to talk about. She

1241
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 8: brought that up and took it for a touchdown. And

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Speaker 8: as far as I'm concerned. You know, this is my opinion,

1243
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 8: not that of yours or Radio one. I really feel

1244
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 8: upset at times when I hear constant complaints about, well,

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Speaker 8: you know, the Democrats aren't doing anything the Democrats, the

1246
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Speaker 8: Democrats that well, I point to her, I even point

1247
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Speaker 8: to Kamala Harris, a congress member. Ilhan Omar in Minnesota

1248
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Speaker 8: are local representative here, Evet Clark. I mean, there are

1249
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Speaker 8: people who are being very vocal about the issues that

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 8: are confronting Americans, not just black people, brown people, Americans today.

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Speaker 8: And if that's her style she is delivering, she is

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Speaker 8: she's been able to build up her base and why.

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Speaker 8: And they just flashed the numbers on ms NBC just

1254
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 8: a moment ago, showing that he won by fifty two percent.

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Speaker 8: I think she was forty six to forty five percent.

1256
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 8: The numbers were pretty close, you know, So there's you know,

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Speaker 8: there's really no way of knowing whether or not what

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 8: was the impact, but it just seems very telling that

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Speaker 8: ever since it became a news story involving Stephen Colbert

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Speaker 8: and all the nonsense that's going on with respect to

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Speaker 8: his uh, you know, holding on to his platform and

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Speaker 8: CBS which will be up soon, you know, and all

1263
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Speaker 8: the changes that are going on in the media business,

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 8: there's been a lot of farings, you know, all all

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Speaker 8: all of these legacy comp these are saying it's associated

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 8: with costs, and I did the different right. I mean,

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Speaker 8: the money was there before everything now is changing, and

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01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 8: it was all predicted in Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: You know, hold on like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when at thirty minutes after top down, Mark in

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01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: Houston wants to join a conversation. He wants to speak

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01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: to you. He's on line one Grand Rise in market

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01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: On with Wayne Kilmen.

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Speaker 4: Good buddy, Mark grand Rising, Good morning, my brother's. How

1275
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: y'all doing this morning? You're doing all right this morning?

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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 11: Here?

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Speaker 4: I woke up, well, I well, I tell you what, man,

1278
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 4: last night before I went to sleep, you know, I

1279
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: can't understand this election. Man, I can't understand. You know,

1280
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 4: we're talking about Jasmine Crockett. Now you know she had

1281
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 4: to go fall the suits. I guess down there in

1282
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 4: Dallas they closing the post. The Secretary of State didn't

1283
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 4: update a website telling the people had to go under

1284
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 4: this redistrict, and mess going on. The Texas Supreme Court

1285
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 4: turning around and said shut it down, Talon like too,

1286
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 4: back in, back back again in two thousand. Man, it's

1287
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 4: a bunch of trickery going on. And I want to

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 4: say this here to these. I hate to say it

1289
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 4: in the the tone of your area, Austin area, al Paso,

1290
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: New Mexico, all that I can't understand it. We will

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01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 4: not see enemy. Hispanics will not. And I don't understand why.

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Speaker 4: When when the black woman was running, she ran, Kamalo

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Speaker 4: Harris ran, No, they didn't get behind us. Das mccrockett ran.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get behind him. We did. We were supposed

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Speaker 4: to be trying to work together because this man, he

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Speaker 4: is showing you what he's doing. He's a convicted felon.

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Speaker 4: He's been lying to the people since day one. Man,

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Speaker 4: he did that till when he first ran. He told

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Speaker 4: all the black preachers, I'm gonna come talk to y'all.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna come meet with y'all. And when it made

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Speaker 4: it look like he went to talk to him, he

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Speaker 4: walked white past him. This is a snake in the

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Speaker 4: white house, y'all. And now he got us all confused.

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Speaker 4: Now we upset. I'm telling you, we are the black

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Speaker 4: people upset right now. We're supposed to get along with you.

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Speaker 4: His fan weekly, I don't understand you. See what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: my brother, I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: We don't wake up this morning and this just this nonsense.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 4: The people they tell you that the boat is on Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: But if you're in line, you got to write the boat.

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Speaker 4: And if it's no fault of yours at all whatsoever,

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Speaker 4: you still coach the boat.

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Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, So deep, I agree, let's

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Speaker 1: give away a chance to respond to what you just said.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with if you're in line the vote,

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Speaker 1: they usually let you felt. I didn't know they were.

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Speaker 1: They closed the doors on them. And when he also

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Speaker 1: mentions she appeals to the Texas Supreme Court, I guess

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Speaker 1: they turned it down. But your responsibility, it's just Hispanics

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Speaker 1: don't want to support Blackroom.

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Speaker 8: I'm in lockstep with with with you and everybody else

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Speaker 8: who could see it clearly what was going on there.

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Speaker 8: And you have to look at Texas, you know. I

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Speaker 8: mean the deal is they are now doing things and

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Speaker 8: they've used that as a template to see if they

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Speaker 8: could do a lot of redistricting and to stifle the

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Speaker 8: black and brown vote in other parts of the country.

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Speaker 8: Because this man knows that he is facing problems if

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Speaker 8: they don't take over or retain their power in both

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Speaker 8: houses in Congress. You know, he knows that the midterm

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Speaker 8: elections are gonna be basically the his Swan song. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's bad enough that he's doing everything that he can

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Speaker 8: to retain his power. He start of the war, he's

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Speaker 8: ignoring the Epstein investigation. There's so many different things that

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Speaker 8: he's doing. And one thing that I have to give

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Speaker 8: this guy credit for is that he knows how to

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Speaker 8: dominate the damn news cycle. Even if you don't like it,

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Speaker 8: you're gonna hear from him. And if you don't hear

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Speaker 8: from him, you hear from one of his you know,

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Speaker 8: one of his cronies, who basically supports this agenda. And

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Speaker 8: it is shameful that what happened in Texas. And as

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Speaker 8: I said a moment ago, I mean, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 8: I don't think all the ballots were counted yet. And

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Speaker 8: there were areas that were basically Jasmine Crockett's strunghold that

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Speaker 8: did not show up. And they want to say, oh, well,

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Speaker 8: some of the black voters, you know, they just weren't there,

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Speaker 8: they didn't vote for her. You know, there's something going

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Speaker 8: on down there that just does not smell right. And

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Speaker 8: I agree, you know, I really think I don't want

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Speaker 8: to blame to, let you know, people, because even those

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 8: that supported Trump and went to the ballot box, and

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Speaker 8: you know, gladly, you know, exercised their franchise to vote

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Speaker 8: and support this man wanting change. Well, you're getting what

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 8: you're paid for now. You see what's going on. And

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Speaker 8: they have been largely affected. And it's not just in Texas.

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Speaker 8: It's in New York, it's inn California, it's in Florida

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Speaker 8: over you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, and wait, hold, I thought of that. I

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Speaker 1: got a tweet. Tweeter sent me a comment for you.

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Speaker 1: I guess they wanted you to comment on this. At

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Speaker 1: twenty six away from the top of the hour, tweeter says,

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Speaker 1: Tillarico troves to me because he took money from Mirror Adelson,

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Speaker 1: who bankrolls Trump and calls his shots. She took mirriam

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Speaker 1: Aielsen was married to I think it was Marv Adelson.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the biggest donators for the Jewish community

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Speaker 1: and he was bankrolled by her. And aside with the

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Speaker 1: money he picked up after the cole Burt incident, marym

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Speaker 1: Aidelsen was one and she's one of the biggest donors

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's campaign. This is why we're doing all

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Speaker 1: this stuff with Israel because of one of her thoughts.

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Speaker 1: She's out of Vegas your thoughts on that would because

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Speaker 1: the only issue too is that which people that don't

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Speaker 1: talk about is Jasamine Crockett got money from APAC. That's

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Speaker 1: the Jewish lobbying group. So does one counsel out the

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Speaker 1: other your thoughts, Well, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, unfortunately, politics is because a money game, and

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Speaker 8: whoever has the most money and get the most attention,

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Speaker 8: they win.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: It's just one of those things. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 8: that I'm in favor of what they did, because I'm

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Speaker 8: a proud Democrat. I support the party. I will vote

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Speaker 8: along the party line, you know, come when our primaries

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Speaker 8: and elections take place. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: you know, you get as long as it's not to

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Speaker 8: the point where it's an embarrassment that you've accepted somebody's money,

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Speaker 8: you know, or accepted like our former mayor here accepted

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Speaker 8: money from a foreign government, you know, until it was corrected,

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Speaker 8: you know, and that hurt him and his reelection. You know,

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Speaker 8: It's it's just one of those things. I don't I know,

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Speaker 8: there have been all sorts of proposals to limit the

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Speaker 8: number of dollars that are coming in, and you know,

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,839
Speaker 8: you go online, you can't even open your a computer

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01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 8: without seeing an advertisement or a pitch for you know,

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Speaker 8: three dollars. He had ten dollars there, you know, for

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Speaker 8: the candidate of your choice. It's sad, but that's just

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Speaker 8: how it is, you know. But I often wonder now

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Speaker 8: at this point, you know what the future is going

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 8: to be because we cannot afford to make it. We

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 8: made mistakes in twenty four This man has gotten given

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01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 8: almost two years of his time to show you his

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01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 8: blueprint for staying in office beyond twenty eight, you know.

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 8: So you know, we can't afford to make mistakes, and

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 8: we need to call if the goumman down there is

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01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 8: doing things crooked, and it seems clear that there have

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 8: been issues about that going back to the governor's effort

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01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 8: to redistrict and all that Abbot, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he's another one that I would like to see removed.

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 8: But again, it just bothers me that we get this close,

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01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,520
Speaker 8: but we can't have We canout afford to have divisiveness

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01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 8: within the ranks of our party, you know, going forward,

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 8: because it's certainly gonna have an impact.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's the right there. We gotta check the news

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: trafficking weather on different city's twenty three minutes away from

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: the top of the hour. Media analyst Wayne Gilman is

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: real us this morning discussing some of the races that

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Speaker 1: took place yesterday, especially want in Texas. Also, you're starting

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: about the elections are coming up way when we come back, though,

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: do you think we will have elections? Do you think

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Speaker 1: of all of this What we're seeing in Iran, for example,

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01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: is a diversion. And the other question for you too,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that the I guess the response from the

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Speaker 1: Democrats are they are they complicit? Are they doing this

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: folding their hands and putting their tools down because they

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: want the Republicans to, you know, take the country in

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: the toilet? That you respond to that when we get back, family,

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: you two can get in. Just hit us up at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty

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Speaker 1: and we'll taking phone calls after the news. That's next

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Speaker 1: and Ryan Rising and family, thanks for waking up with

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Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday morning. Fifteen minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top off. They are that guest, his media analyst Wayne Gilman,

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Speaker 1: who's looking at the Texas races specifically, what took place

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01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,879
Speaker 1: and the impact of the equal time rule that impacted

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Speaker 1: that race, especially with the Jasmine Crockett race. Before we

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Speaker 1: go back to you, I'm just remind you come up.

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Speaker 1: Later this morning though, we're going to speak with doctor

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01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: John Carllis and remember him with the sixty eight Olympics

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: in Mexico City. He and Thomas Smith have kicked out

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: of the games for a black power protest. He's going

1444
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 1: to be here. I'm going to talk about athlete activist athletes.

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01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, before there was a Colin Kaepernick, there was

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Speaker 1: a John Carllison and Tommy Smith. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about that with him. And before that, though, the Faith

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01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: Brothers are going to discuss the issue of racism in religion.

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: Who do they have racism in religion? And tomorrow we're

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01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: going to be joined by the University of Houston's history

1451
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: professor doctor Gerald Horne. Also geopolitical analyst Matthew Hoe will

1452
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: be with us. So if you are in Baltimore, make

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01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: sure you keep that radio locked in tight on ten

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01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: ten WLB from the DMV family. We're on fourteen fifty WL.

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Speaker 1: All right, Wayne, you know the Twitter earlier talked about

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01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: Maren Adelson giving money to to Tellarico, Jasmine Croct's opponent

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: in the race. Well, and I got another tweet from

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Speaker 1: this other tweeter says that shell Aylson, which is the

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Speaker 1: late husband of Maren Alsen, helped bring the Raiders to

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Speaker 1: Vegas and it was his casino that with the Iranians shutdown.

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01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: So we connected the dots with My question to you

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Speaker 1: before we left for the news update, was it, what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Iran? It's going to affect the politics

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01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: here and there. The Democrats waiting for the you know,

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01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: waiting for the country to crash and they can blame

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Speaker 1: the Republicans. How do you see all of that?

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Speaker 8: Well, I tell you, I mean the Republicans are self destructing,

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01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 8: you know, without any help from anybody. I mean, it's

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Speaker 8: becoming a parent now. I mean when I look at

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Speaker 8: what's going on in Washington, d C. I'm reminded of

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Speaker 8: the and I hate to date myself, the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 8: hit by the Temptations, the ball of confusion. That's what

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01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 8: we're in today. I mean, there's no question about all

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Speaker 8: that is going on, and it's done deliberately to basically

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Speaker 8: ask other issues that are far more important and the

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Speaker 8: Americans are the ones that are hurting with this. You know,

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01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 8: this much that can be done to bring back a

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Speaker 8: certain level of normalcy and to basically, you know, if

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01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 8: you want to make America great again, why don't you

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Speaker 8: restore some of the things that you've managed to take away.

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01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 8: To me, everything that's going on right now is making

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Speaker 8: America white again. And I don't mean that in a

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Speaker 8: disparaging way, but the things that went on, you know,

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Speaker 8: before my childhood, before yours. For some reason, that's not

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Speaker 8: slowly becoming the norm. And I'm not saying that we

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Speaker 8: should not be concerned about these changes, because we are

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Speaker 8: the precipice of AI, artificial intelligence, and you see how

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Speaker 8: that's being used, you know. I mean, no one really

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Speaker 8: knows what's to come of this, but clearly this war

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Speaker 8: that started last week and was something that was in

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Speaker 8: Trump's wheelhouse, you know. I mean people want to say, well,

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Speaker 8: the Israelis were concerned about the impact of Iran. There

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Speaker 8: were negotiations going on, and I'm not saying that the

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Speaker 8: previous government in Iran did not deserve some of what

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Speaker 8: was coming, you know, But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: you know, this is almost on the beginning of World

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Speaker 8: War III. I mean, there was no planning, you know.

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Speaker 8: I remember the huge criticism that the Biden administration suffered

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Speaker 8: when they were trying to end that war in Afghanistan

1500
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 8: and get people out of the country, Americans, soldiers, even

1501
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 8: people who would support of the American effort there over

1502
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 8: the twenty years that they were stationed in Afghanistan. These

1503
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 8: people started the war. This administration started the war with

1504
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 8: no thought of the million of Americans that are across

1505
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 8: the Middle East, whether in place like Dubai, which is

1506
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 8: like one of the wealthiest spots in the world. To

1507
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 8: go to the vacation. I think they were able to

1508
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 8: secure the return of nine thousands if I'm not mistaken,

1509
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 8: but they're like fifty thousand Americans that wish to come back,

1510
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 8: and they claim they have a plan, but you know,

1511
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 8: it's like, let's start a war. And obviously, you know,

1512
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 8: this is not going into Venezuela or going into Cuba,

1513
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 8: you know, where you're not going to have the blowback.

1514
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 8: These people have weaponry. You know, that was one of

1515
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 8: the reasons why they were very delicate all this time

1516
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 8: in terms of trying to keep them in bay. You know,

1517
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 8: they you know, they knew that they were in the

1518
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 8: precipice of developing a nuclear bomb, and the Middle East

1519
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 8: could not afford that to happen, let alone in the

1520
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 8: United States. But I don't know.

1521
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: I heard right there, Wayne, yeah, on the way, because

1522
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I got Mike in Washington, d C. Once you taught

1523
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: you he's online one Grant Rise and Mike Aron and

1524
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Wayne Gilman, Graham Rose and.

1525
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 7: Mister Nelson and uh, mister Kevin. I guess that I

1526
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 7: told mister Kevin. Republicans are in trouble. The Jerry Mander

1527
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 7: poker game that they get in Texas backfired on them.

1528
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 7: Talked to Sean Hanry yesterday and Jesse Waters, and they

1529
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 7: agree with me. Texas is in trouble because they needed

1530
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 7: Jain Cockett to win. They needed just Corcker to win.

1531
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 7: To the fact that they because Ted Cruz he could

1532
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 7: beat that they were going to lose those seats. All

1533
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 7: the people that left California are liberal people, uh touches

1534
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 7: that turned red to purple. And they needed Corctor to

1535
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 7: live to win so that whoever's going to go up

1536
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 7: against it the Republican general elections will win. That guy

1537
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 7: that got right now the Democrats gotta beat them because

1538
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 7: tuxes are so purple. Now Toux is gonna lose a

1539
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 7: steat in the Senate, and they're not happy about Son

1540
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 7: Henny and what are not They were not happy about

1541
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 7: that decision last night. That's gonna back far on the

1542
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 7: Ted Cruise barely won the last he dobs he is

1543
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 7: so against Trump, you know what I'm saying. And if

1544
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 7: people are not happy about that, oh they're in trouble.

1545
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 7: They really messed up down Needa Jackson Crocketts to win.

1546
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's get get win a chance to respond.

1547
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, Well, no, I agree.

1548
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 8: I didn't hear clearly all of what he said, but

1549
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 8: I got the impression that the talking kids at Fox

1550
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 8: were in favor of her winning to go up against Cruise.

1551
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 8: Is that just what he's saying?

1552
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, even the Republicans were supporting a

1553
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett. They're they're sending them money to for her

1554
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: campaign because they think that she could be They could

1555
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: easily beat her than than uh teller Eco. But go ahead,

1556
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: that's what Mike is saying.

1557
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1558
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 8: I mean, the thing is, again, their numbers were very

1559
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 8: close and I'm not saying that perhaps right happened. On

1560
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 8: a personal level, believe the Jasmine Crocket would have been

1561
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 8: a better candidate because of her outspokenness, her ability to

1562
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 8: litigate the issues in a debate, you know. But at

1563
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 8: the end of the day, I just really think that

1564
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 8: we have we are faced with what we have, and unfortunately,

1565
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 8: the the you know, the the Wayne things occurred in

1566
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 8: this contest. It just didn't go to her favor.

1567
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell me of Wayne. I think I

1568
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: think what Mike is saying is that the Republicans feel

1569
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: that she would be an easier candidate. And we talked

1570
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 1: about her style. Some people say that she's brash, he's outspoken,

1571
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes comes off as the angry black woman,

1572
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: while Tulla Rica is a religious guy, a seminarian, you know,

1573
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,440
Speaker 1: it's not quite appreciated. He wants to be and he's

1574
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, his style is more is more reflective of

1575
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: a white people like and any appeals to the latinos

1576
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: as well.

1577
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, now I understand all that, But I mean the

1578
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 8: deal is is that I also feel, and maybe I'm

1579
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 8: not the person to ask this question, I firmly believe

1580
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 8: that Jasmine Crockett can litigate all the issues, and that

1581
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 8: she would have been perhaps even though her style is

1582
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 8: in your face. JU suppose that with toul Rico, you know,

1583
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 8: the the bottom line is they both are on even

1584
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 8: q with regard to their support for certain issues. It's

1585
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 8: just as a matter of style. And we'll see Toulo

1586
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,759
Speaker 8: Rico got lucky because of the the problems with CBS

1587
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 8: and the FCC. I mean if that is attributable to that,

1588
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 8: because they're also saying because as he had a tremendous

1589
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 8: amount of Latino support and and because of their connection

1590
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 8: with the Catholicism and things like that, that perhaps that

1591
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 8: might have been the the the elixir with regard to,

1592
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 8: you know, helping his contest. But we need someone on

1593
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 8: a regular basis to talk about the issues, and she,

1594
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 8: I believe would have been far better at doing that,

1595
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 8: contrary to what some of these people in Fox would

1596
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 8: have to say. Because you know, Trump is destroying the country.

1597
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 8: You have the conservatives, you have religious conservatives. Carl on

1598
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 8: a regular basis now openly speaking about what this man

1599
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,879
Speaker 8: is doing to the of the democracy of the United States.

1600
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: So you know we're gonna we're gonna touch on that

1601
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: with the Faith Brothers next. But but what what I think?

1602
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: What Mark? And uh, what's it?

1603
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 5: No?

1604
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Mark in Houston he called earlier, and he were saying

1605
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: that the Latinos were supportive of Jasmine Crockett. But once

1606
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: you get out of the urban centers like Austin, Dallas,

1607
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Galveston, you know, Uh, all these the pass

1608
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: these these urban centers, that's where she was strong. That's

1609
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: where a lot of our folks lived. But once you

1610
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: get out into rural Texas, that's Trump country. And that's

1611
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: that's the indicative all the entire nation, by the way,

1612
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: but that that's Trump Company. That's and that's in this

1613
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: Tyler Rico can appeal to those.

1614
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, but are those numbers greater than what you have

1615
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 8: in the urban centers of Texas? Because I don't know.

1616
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 8: I'm just asking.

1617
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,839
Speaker 1: No, You're right, more people live in the urban centers,

1618
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:38,879
Speaker 1: of course.

1619
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 8: That's what I thought. And the deal is is that

1620
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 8: that the caller earlier, Mark uh had signed that there

1621
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 8: was so much confusion in terms of limiting the vote,

1622
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 8: cutting it off at a certain time.

1623
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 14: Uh.

1624
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 8: Then there was an issue where it was extended for

1625
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 8: two hours, you know, and not all the votes are in,

1626
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 8: but you know, ap he made a call early this

1627
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 8: morning or late list and I'm saying she lost, you know,

1628
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 8: and saying that the numbers that she expected that would

1629
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 8: turn out. I believe in Dallas, Kennedy, if I'm not mistaken,

1630
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 8: just did not show up. And I remember hearing one

1631
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 8: of the commentators saying it's because for some reason blacks

1632
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 8: did not come out. I begged to differ with that.

1633
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 8: That's just my opinion.

1634
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, you want to say something real quickly, still

1635
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: with us here in the background.

1636
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm still I'm still here. And the thing is that,

1637
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 7: you know, with the rural areas, see, the thing is

1638
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 7: that Jasmine, she could have watched she could have beat

1639
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 7: ted Cruz and she just like like the gentleman said,

1640
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 7: she is very very strong on the issue. She's really

1641
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 7: really good at that, and she people are tired of

1642
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 7: the racist stuff were racism is always going to be there,

1643
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 7: but she just throne down the racism just a little bit.

1644
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 7: And she would have beat she would have beat him,

1645
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 7: and that's what America wants, you know what I'm saying.

1646
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 7: And that's why the liberals are going with this guy. Cathallicism.

1647
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 7: The Spaniards, the Hispanics and stuff are gonna go with

1648
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 7: this guy because you know, Trump has changed his majority

1649
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 7: of people have been deported immigration are people Hispanic, you know,

1650
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 7: and they voted for him down at Texas. You knowe

1651
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. So it would have it would have

1652
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 7: flowed back onto the Democratic side now with this guy

1653
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 7: winning right here, the Republicans are in trouble right now.

1654
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 7: They played their hand wrong with this. Sean Handy talked

1655
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 7: to us again. Jesse wanted they agree with me. This

1656
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 7: is not good for Texas. They're gonna lose this steat

1657
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 7: and that makes a big decision about a lot of

1658
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 7: decisions go down when it comes to bills come to

1659
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 7: the floor and all those.

1660
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 5: Kinds of things.

1661
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Right, And Mike, I think if you call, we got

1662
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: to run and take the traffic and weather that Wayne

1663
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: respond to what you just said. Thanks to you family,

1664
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: you two can hit a second eight hundred and four

1665
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we taket calls

1666
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 1: after we check the traffic. That's next and Grand Rising,

1667
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean, thanks for starting your Wednesday with us. Three

1668
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: Off the top of that, I moment, tary, you're going

1669
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: to reach out to the faith brother doctor Jay Edmondson,

1670
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: Pastor Kurwen Manning there on deck. But let's finish up

1671
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: with Wayne Gilman, media analyst out of New York City. So, Wayne,

1672
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Mike the Republican call from Washington, DC says, now that

1673
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Texas is in play, you agree.

1674
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 8: It's gonna be interesting to see what happens. I really

1675
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 8: believe that, you know, the Democrats have a chance to

1676
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 8: turn that blue. I'd like to think with all that

1677
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 8: is going on in this country at the moment. You know,

1678
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 8: I don't know what's going to happen between now and

1679
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 8: election day, but the rate and the path that we're

1680
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 8: on now, you know, it's going to be a landslide

1681
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 8: in my opinion.

1682
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, thanks Wayne, thanks for that. You know,

1683
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask tomorrow University of Houston and doctor

1684
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Jeryl Horn is going to be with us. I'm asking

1685
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: if if it feels the same way. But thanks for

1686
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: sharing that.

1687
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, I mean the thing is, I could be

1688
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 8: a minority in this. My usual side kick, Reggie Thomas,

1689
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 8: who's absence this morning, had another commitment. He normally grounds me,

1690
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 8: you know, but there are times when he too will

1691
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 8: admit that, you know this, it's crazy out here, you know,

1692
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:14,799
Speaker 8: it's just one of those things.

1693
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Rayne, all right, all right, let's move on.

1694
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1695
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: It's Wayne Gilman out of New York City. It's a

1696
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: media analyst now per former news director w BLS in

1697
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: New York. And now, as I mentioned the Faith Brothers here,

1698
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: doctor j Emons and past the current Manning, doctor Edmonds,

1699
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

1700
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 5: Grand Rising to you as well, called all right, and.

1701
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Past the current Manning Grand Rising brother.

1702
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 15: Oh, it's good to be with you, and doctor Edmonds

1703
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 15: as well. Thank you.

1704
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 5: Thanks.

1705
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: And let's talk about racism in religion. It seems like,

1706
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, why is there racism in religion? Is there

1707
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: such a thing as racism in religion? And it's racism

1708
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,560
Speaker 1: as sin? How do you see that? I don't you

1709
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,839
Speaker 1: throw that to doctor Edmunds? Doctor Edmunds? Is there racism

1710
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: in religion? Is can that be?

1711
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Speaker 5: Well, there's a separation as it relates to people's perspective

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01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 5: of each other, whether they are Christians, whether they are not.

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01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 5: It's there not adhering to the principles of knowing that

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01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 5: each individual are who they are without the outward appearance

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 5: being taken into consideration. Uh, there's always going to be

1716
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 5: that preference of the difference which one is superior, one

1717
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 5: is inferior, or that which is placed on the character

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01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 5: of someone simply because of how they That's always going

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01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 5: to be that way, and it is so sadly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me ask Pastor Manning this then. First,

1721
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: it's racism. Is it a sin to be a racist?

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01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Is you know? Because we look at we look at

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01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: the evangelicals and it seems that they well it is

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01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: apparently they dislike a lot of people who don't don't

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01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: look like them, even though they claim their ministers and

1726
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: they're religious. It's that if they committing a sin. How

1727
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: do you see it?

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01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 9: How come?

1729
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, we look at two different things and we

1730
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: come with two different we look at the same thing

1731
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: becoming two different answers. Help us out here past the current.

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01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you for that question. It's really good and

1733
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 15: this is a this is a very important topic. I

1734
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 15: think that many times.

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01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 8: Again.

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01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 15: I'm always as a pastor for many years now, always

1737
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,560
Speaker 15: looking back at at the institution and the group that

1738
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 15: I'm connected to, which is church and many times we

1739
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 15: have overlooked this conversation in the church, and it's exacerbated

1740
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 15: all of the craziness that goes out in the world

1741
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 15: and what people think and what people say. Even when

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01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 15: you say the evangelicals, I kind of I kind of

1743
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 15: cringe a little bit because there was a time when

1744
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 15: evangelical wasn't a bad word. But when you talk about

1745
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 15: white evangelicals, you're talking about a system and a group

1746
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 15: of people who have almost in many cases elevated race

1747
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 15: or one's race or nationalism over their faith. And I

1748
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 15: think racism is a sin because just because of that,

1749
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 15: because it allows prejudice in where there should just be

1750
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 15: faith and the word of God. The other thing that

1751
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 15: it does so distrust actively is that it reduces or

1752
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 15: minimizes God's creation humanity. So when when men start to

1753
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 15: rule over men and they have to do it in

1754
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 15: a way where they elevate themselves over someone else for

1755
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 15: no viable reason, that is a sin.

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01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 8: It's wrong.

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01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 2: It's not.

1758
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 15: It's a sin because if sin is missing, the market

1759
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 15: misses the mark of what God intended for us. He

1760
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 15: said to have dominion in Genesis and and and Brother Carl,

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01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 15: I just got to say that doctor Edmonds came to

1762
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 15: Pasadena Church and and will never be the same. He

1763
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:49,560
Speaker 15: just masterfully handled this topic and several others we just

1764
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 15: threw at him, and it was such an honor. But

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 15: I've got a I've got a whole couple of sheets

1766
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 15: of notes from that. But and he took us from

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01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 15: the beginning and how this this falsehood of information continued

1768
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 15: started in the beginning and it continues to this day

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01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 15: to be used to separate people, to minimize entire people groups,

1770
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 15: to create systems of oppression and fear and violence. And

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01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 15: none of those things represent God's heart for his for

1772
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 15: his most precious creation, which is man. Does it does

1773
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 15: fit check all of those boxes and many of the

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01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 15: other isms. But racism, to me, and in this day

1775
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 15: and age in our country is the most devastating, and

1776
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 15: we're seeing it even on the world scene.

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01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's go to Doc Davis, because this

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01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: is what you teach your students. As the pastor Manning mentioned,

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01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: you killed it so to speak of the church. When

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01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: you're at his church recently discussing this issue of racism.

1781
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Why why isn't this an issue in the Black church.

1782
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: Do we have an equivalent group of black ministers who

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01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: are equivalent to the to the white evangelicals and talking

1784
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that, is there do.

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01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 5: You know of You know, I think Pastor Manning hit

1786
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 5: it on the head and covered it because it's about preference,

1787
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 5: It's about viewpoint, how people see themselves. Racism is always

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01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 5: centered on how people see themselves and what they've been

1789
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 5: indoctrinated with and what they are associated with, and without

1790
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 5: even knowing the reality of self, one will always castigate

1791
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 5: the other. And so when there's a movement established fundamentalists,

1792
01:39:54,680 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 5: Christian Right, or other movements, it affects the entire arena,

1793
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 5: and people began to search themselves to find a box

1794
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 5: that they can place themselves in. They measure themselves up

1795
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 5: against others, be it black or be it white. You know,

1796
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 5: you have some blacks that are pro pro right when

1797
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 5: it comes down to Christian stances, and they centered themselves

1798
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 5: around the program, despining where you are. But as Pastor

1799
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 5: Manning said, what does God say about this? Where are

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01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 5: we truly? Who are we as God's human creation? That's

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01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 5: the cruts of the matter. I was listening to your

1802
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 5: previous guests, who was so knowledgeable about that political aspect,

1803
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 5: and he was dropping some pearls. As it relates to

1804
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 5: some of these tactics that are being used. I think

1805
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 5: we have to become aware that there is a force

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01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 5: behind this. It's not about the outward appearance. It's about

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01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 5: that which cannot be seen. There is a force behind this,

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01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 5: and there's another agenda with that force.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, hold right there, doctor m What's explain that

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01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: part for us? You say there's a force behind this?

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01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: What force? Can can you be more concrete with that?

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01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 5: We don't wrestle against flesh and blood, We understand that,

1813
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 5: you see. But it's powers and principalities, the rulers of

1814
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 5: the darkness of this world again, spiritual wickedness in high places,

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01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 5: the things that are being done that are just blatantly

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01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 5: against humanity period and ethics. Those things are promulgated by

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01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 5: the wicked one, by the devil, promulgated by those who

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01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:27,639
Speaker 5: do not embrace the principles of truth. And that's where

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01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 5: the problem is. And one can easily buy into that.

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01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:37,639
Speaker 5: You know, if there are whites that are basically saying

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01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 5: we are superior and knowledge and that Biblical scripture is

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01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 5: for the white man only, there are people who buy

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01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 5: into that, and it affects blacks as well as the white.

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01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 5: There are some blacks that actually if they believe that,

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01:42:54,880 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 5: after hearing that, they will assess themselves as being inferior. Yeah,

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01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 5: I mean, that's come on. That's where this country was

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01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 5: built upon the assessment of one and having the other

1828
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 5: to buy in on that assessment of themselves. But it's

1829
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 5: a spiritual thing. We are all God's human creation, but

1830
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 5: that which we can see, that's not truly us. That's

1831
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,799
Speaker 5: just this package. Who we are is that which cannot

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01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 5: be seen. And there are forces that are behind these things,

1833
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 5: the kingdom of darkness and the Kingdom of light. And

1834
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 5: we might as well deal with that whether we want

1835
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 5: to or not. But that's just the way it is.

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01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 5: And when we see the actions of some, you know,

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01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 5: you have to surmise that that tends to be an

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01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 5: attribute of that person. It seems to be an attribute

1839
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 5: of that race, It tends to be an attribute of

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01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 5: that group. Something is behind that. Particularly when you look

1841
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:12,560
Speaker 5: at pride, which is not of God, lies, which is

1842
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 5: not of God. Certain apparatus is constructed to keep others subservient.

1843
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 5: That's not of God. Where is that coming? From now.

1844
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 5: If there's someone who don't believe in God and just say, well,

1845
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 5: this person of their own volition came up with this,

1846
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 5: well there's a lot more that they can really learn

1847
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 5: from that. A person comes to a conclusion based on

1848
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 5: their foundational thoughts, and if their foundation of thoughts or

1849
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 5: thoughts that someone is beneath them, then their actions will

1850
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 5: be indicative of that. And that's what we have now

1851
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,560
Speaker 5: in this country, and not only in this country, but

1852
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 5: around the world.

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01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 7: It is happening.

1854
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 5: We haven't seen the last of that. I wish you

1855
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 5: could have heard more of your previous guests talking about

1856
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 5: the political structure now. But look at when it is

1857
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 5: happening and around.

1858
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 16: There's a force behind that, and the force has.

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01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 5: A willing instrument or conduit or person to carry out

1860
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 5: its will. And in many cases, these people, these instruments,

1861
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 5: these conduits, these vessels are aware that this is the case,

1862
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 5: and they accept it and embrace it for their own grandizement,

1863
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 5: for their own profit. And that's what's going on.

1864
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: And that thought right there, we got to step aside.

1865
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of folks want to talk to you. Also,

1866
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: I got to tweak question for you and this is

1867
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw this out and we'll talk about

1868
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: it later. Hypothetical. This person on me to ask you

1869
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: brothers this question, and they say this if Donald Trump

1870
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: when he dies and he goes to the Pearly Gates

1871
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: and send Peter's there, he's and he's asked what he

1872
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: did and he lies, and God knows it that he's

1873
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: lying God, because God knows everything. Where is what are

1874
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: they going to do with Donald Trump? Does he go

1875
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: up as you go down? That's basically and we'll talk

1876
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: about it later because this person's been bugging me to

1877
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: ask you fellows that question. Family, and you two can

1878
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 1: get in a discussion with the Faith Brothers, past the

1879
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: current Manner and doctor j Edmonds. Just reach out to

1880
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy

1881
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls at seventeen half

1882
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: the hour. We'll take your calls next and Ryan Rising family,

1883
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling for us on this Wednesday morning, twenty

1884
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 1: one minutes after the tough of the hour with the

1885
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 1: Faith Brothers, Doctor Jay Edmonds and Pastor Curring Manning. Fellas

1886
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: you can you can answer that question that tweeters question

1887
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: before you go. Because we've got a bunch of folks

1888
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: got questions for you. We want to give them a

1889
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 1: first dips. Let's go to line five. Brother Corlis is

1890
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 1: calling for Waldorf in Maryland. He has a question for you.

1891
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: Calls your question for the faith brothers.

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01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 10: Yep, grand Rising, my dear brothers. It's always a pleasure

1893
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 10: to dialogue with you. I have a couple of examples

1894
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 10: that I want to point out to you. But it

1895
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 10: seems that racism is ubiquitous and that it it affects

1896
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 10: the black and the white church overall. Now everybody knows

1897
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 10: about the Fred Price, the late Fred Price incident when

1898
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 10: his daughter when his son was trying to date a

1899
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:36,440
Speaker 10: white minister's daughter, and that blew up in that situation.

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01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 10: But the main thing I wanted to say is that

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01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 10: a white pastor by the name of Joe Webbin we

1902
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 10: bb n comeing at Bible Church in Austin, Texas who

1903
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 10: says this and I quote percent of the Black church

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01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 10: in America is objectively by standards of scripture, heretical. It

1905
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 10: doesn't it will constitute a true church. So if this

1906
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 10: is not an example of racism, place at your wheelhouse,

1907
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 10: right at your wheelhouse and your belief. What is my

1908
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 10: dear brothers, that.

1909
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 6: Is proof of the.

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01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 5: Example that we see every day, one feeling that they

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01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,680
Speaker 5: are superior in the other is inferior in their digestion

1912
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 5: of biblical principles and their hermeneutical stands, their understanding of

1913
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 5: Biblical scriptures and justification for exclusion. That's what they say.

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01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 5: So the thing of it is, these actions, in these

1915
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 5: thoughts are a result of a catalyst of superiority or

1916
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 5: feeling of superiority, and thinking that others are empty headed,

1917
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 5: our stupid idiots are unable to actually be justified by

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01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 5: the grace of God which comes to all of us.

1919
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 5: The understanding of Biblical scripture, whether it is within the

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01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 5: common Biblical Canon, or whether it's in the Opian Bible,

1921
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 5: or whether it's in the Septuagent or the Hebrew Translations

1922
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 5: or the totalh itself. God gives understanding relative to that,

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Speaker 5: and it's for everybody. But there is no doubt that

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Speaker 5: this country was built on racism and differences, and it

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Speaker 5: comes down to religion, when it comes down to uh employment,

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Speaker 5: when it comes down to just being an individual. You know,

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Speaker 5: we've had to go that extra mile fight a little harder,

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Speaker 5: be a little smarter. All of that is an expectation,

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Speaker 5: uh of the other, and it shouldn't be that way.

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Speaker 5: And it's uh, it's it's embarrassing and it's uh beyond

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Speaker 5: words that it has crept over to the church. But

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Speaker 5: this is not something just recently happened. I want to

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Speaker 5: boding all those Christians that think that black people are

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Speaker 5: mud people.

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Speaker 1: Right, are you pass Manning a chance to respond as well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor pastor Manning your thoughts.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, when I hear, when I hear my

1938
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Speaker 15: other make that that quote, that pastor, what I hear

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Speaker 15: when I when I hear that that phrase, ninety to

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Speaker 15: ninety five percent of black church is heretical. What I

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Speaker 15: hear is him saying and propagating the false belief that

1942
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Speaker 15: black people are heretical, because you know, there used there

1943
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Speaker 15: used to be a there was a movie called We

1944
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Speaker 15: Are Marshall that was their big thing. Well, well, when

1945
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Speaker 15: it comes to to this conversation, we are the church,

1946
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 15: black people are the church. This is this is an

1947
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Speaker 15: example of someone who cannot see God's way, in God's redemption,

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Speaker 15: God's redemptive purposes for humanity, so he has contaminated the

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Speaker 15: faith with his own prejudice, prejudicial thinking. It's not scriptural,

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Speaker 15: is there's no foundation of it. We are the church,

1951
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Speaker 15: so so it's just a pastor that that can't get

1952
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Speaker 15: past his own prejudice and his own desire to to

1953
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Speaker 15: to be better than someone else or another group of people.

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Speaker 15: I heard another pastor say that, you know, if you

1955
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Speaker 15: go to a black church, you should leave, and and

1956
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Speaker 15: and and find a white church with a white pastor,

1957
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Speaker 15: because that person that will be preaching the truth. That's foolishness.

1958
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Speaker 15: Paul talks about in Philippians chapter three. It's a great

1959
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Speaker 15: place to read when he talks about God's way. The

1960
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Speaker 15: goal for us as believers is Christ's likeness, to become

1961
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Speaker 15: more and more like Jesus in his presence, in his

1962
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Speaker 15: until his likeness can be seen in us. If we

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Speaker 15: make that, our goal will be headed in the right direction.

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Speaker 15: But when someone ventures off of that pattern that Jesus

1965
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Speaker 15: set for us and the goal, we find ourselves opposing

1966
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Speaker 15: Christ himself, and and and one of the ways that

1967
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Speaker 15: happens is and people will do it all the time.

1968
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Speaker 15: I've done it in my lifetime. Before rejecting his way

1969
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Speaker 15: of salvation, rejecting his way of doing things. You remember

1970
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Speaker 15: when when we were young and our parents would tell

1971
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Speaker 15: us to do something, and we would do it our way,

1972
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Speaker 15: but it wasn't the way they told us to do it,

1973
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Speaker 15: so it was wrong. Well, God has a way, God

1974
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Speaker 15: has a pattern, God has an expectation for all of humanity,

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Speaker 15: and and when we don't follow his way and do

1976
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Speaker 15: it the way that Christ laid out for us, we

1977
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 15: find ourselves chasing all types of fantasies based on our

1978
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Speaker 15: own personal fears and other things like this, this pastor

1979
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Speaker 15: that Carlos talked about. I don't disagree with you at all.

1980
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Speaker 15: We are the church and we have to we have

1981
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Speaker 15: to know that, we have to stand in that and

1982
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Speaker 15: step in that. The truth is, you know that that

1983
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Speaker 15: might be another conversation. The origin of the Black Church,

1984
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Speaker 15: at least in America, why we even have why we

1985
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Speaker 15: have Black Church and White Church and Asian Church and

1986
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 15: Hispanic Church and all these different variations of christ Church

1987
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Speaker 15: is because of racism that existed.

1988
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Speaker 8: Before.

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Speaker 15: But it definitely in the founding of our very nation

1990
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Speaker 15: and it impacted the faith perspective to this day. So

1991
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Speaker 15: I don't know, I don't know. If that's that correction

1992
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Speaker 15: I mean about his doctor Price's son or whatever. I

1993
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Speaker 15: remember vaguely, but I don't think it was his son.

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Speaker 15: The story has changed over time, but nevertheless the principle

1995
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Speaker 15: is still true. And that's what causes us to have

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Speaker 15: to and I just say this too to any of

1997
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Speaker 15: the faith leaders that are listening. We have to speak up.

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Speaker 15: We have to speak up for those who can't speak

1999
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Speaker 15: for themselves and ensure that they get justice according to

2000
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Speaker 15: Proverbs thirty one on eight and nine. And this is

2001
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Speaker 15: one of those areas that we cannot be silent.

2002
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Speaker 5: We have to.

2003
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Speaker 15: We have to correct the false teachings in the church

2004
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Speaker 15: or in some churches about this matter.

2005
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Speaker 1: Right thirty minutes after the top of that family that's pasted,

2006
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Speaker 1: the current manly part of the Faith Brothers along with

2007
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Speaker 1: doctor Jay Edmonds. You want to speak with him, reach

2008
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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four or five

2009
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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. Take your phone calls. Let's

2010
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Speaker 1: go to Pikesville and Maryland. Jean's waiting for us. He's online.

2011
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Speaker 1: Three Jean grand Rising, you're on with the Faith Brothers And.

2012
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Grandfather and Faith Brothers.

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Speaker 6: Can I'm just gonna make a quick.

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Speaker 16: Statement on whether Donald Trump is going to go to

2015
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Speaker 16: heaven or the other place. He's he's gonna not go

2016
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Speaker 16: to the other place because he's going to pay an indolence.

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Speaker 16: You know, he's going to convert and become a Catholic,

2018
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Speaker 16: pay an indolence, and he's going to go to purgatory.

2019
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Speaker 5: There he will do something.

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Speaker 14: You'll get tom.

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Speaker 16: Served and do three years probation and go to heaven.

2022
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Speaker 16: Donald Trumps a lawyer, and the Catholic church will will

2023
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Speaker 16: afford him that.

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Speaker 1: Uh benefit, Well, let me join it for a second,

2025
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Speaker 1: because I don't since he's opened this up. That was

2026
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Speaker 1: the other part that question, Geane. So let's get the

2027
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Speaker 1: faith brothers down and stay on it. Let face brother

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Speaker 1: answer the question, because this is a tweet that came

2029
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: in and they've been tweeting me every and they just

2030
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Speaker 1: call me. Please ask the faith brothers because they think

2031
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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump he will he will if he confesses

2032
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Speaker 1: his sins right before he lies, and or if he

2033
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Speaker 1: confesses his sins, is he still going Is he still

2034
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Speaker 1: going to heaven or is he The person wants to

2035
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Speaker 1: know way if basically, if Donald Trump's going to Hell,

2036
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Speaker 1: that's what the person when he keeps asking, so he

2037
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Speaker 1: wants to so he wants to get it from the

2038
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Speaker 1: faith brothers. So doctor Evans passed the current manning if

2039
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: Donald Trump when he said if and you know, maybe

2040
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Speaker 1: this is all hypothetically said before Saint Peter accused he

2041
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: doing this and he lies to them and they know

2042
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Speaker 1: he's lying because God knows everything, supposedly, what do they

2043
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Speaker 1: do with Donald Trump? Or if he does the other

2044
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Speaker 1: thing like you mentioned, if he confesses right before, and

2045
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Speaker 1: does he still go to heaven? And so Pastor Current Monting,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you hit it first, Pastor Mounting, all right.

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Speaker 15: Yes, heaven or hell? What I do a lot of funerals,

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Speaker 15: Brother Carl, and and and and and to my dear

2049
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Speaker 15: brother Jean. And one of the things that people do

2050
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Speaker 15: at funerals, if you've ever been to one, at least

2051
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Speaker 15: in an African American context, we put everybody in heaven

2052
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Speaker 15: for the most part, at least at their funeral. And

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Speaker 15: I used to kind of have a little attitude about that,

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Speaker 15: knowing how people lived in some of the contexts in

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Speaker 15: which we're in that space. But you know what, the

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01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 15: truth is, none of us have a heaven or Hell,

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Speaker 15: or put anybody in the Lord is the one who

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01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 15: will determine that. When I heard the question originally, I

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Speaker 15: substituted when you first asked it, Brother Carl, I substituted

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Speaker 15: Trump's ain't for my name? Instead of Trump, I said, Kerwin,

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Speaker 15: heaven or hell? Who knows?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 15: We know we can know for certain based on the scriptures,

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Speaker 15: confessing that Jesus is Lord, believing in our heart that

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01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 15: God raised them from the dead, following his ways, not

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01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 15: just hearing his words, but putting them to practice. Another

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Speaker 15: another way we can know is courding to Matthew twenty

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Speaker 15: five thirty one says, I was hungry and you fed me.

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Speaker 15: I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. I

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Speaker 15: was a stranger and you took me in. I was

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Speaker 15: naked and you clothed me. And he said, when you know,

2072
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Speaker 15: enter into the kingdom that I prepared for you. But

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Speaker 15: when it comes to personally, I know it's easy to

2074
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,960
Speaker 15: put people who are who play the villain so well

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Speaker 15: and personify it, as our president does sometimes many times

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Speaker 15: most times.

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Speaker 8: But I don't.

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Speaker 15: I don't have a heaven or hell to put him in.

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Speaker 15: The example that I used to people or I don't

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Speaker 15: not that I don't have one put them in. I

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Speaker 15: don't know, I don't know. None of us know the

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Speaker 15: answer to that question. And even though my my brother

2083
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Speaker 15: I believe was was joking a little bit in the beginning,

2084
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Speaker 15: was there there's some truth in that? Because there were

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Speaker 15: there were Jesus wasn't the only one on the cross

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Speaker 15: that day. There were two other people on the cross,

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Speaker 15: one on his left and one on his right, both

2088
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 15: of them convicted of crimes that that that they they

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Speaker 15: acknowledged that they were guilty of. One of them asked

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Speaker 15: Jesus to remember him when he when he went to glory,

2091
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 15: and Jesus said to that one today, you'll be with

2092
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 15: me in paradise. And my point is, I don't believe

2093
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Speaker 15: that man's family or his community based on the fact

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Speaker 15: that he was hanging on a cross for a crime

2095
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Speaker 15: that he admitted that he did. I don't know how

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Speaker 15: many other people knew that he made it to heaven.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if you made it. That's a question.

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Speaker 1: But I thank you for your response.

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Speaker 15: I want to hear from we know that he Jesus

2100
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Speaker 15: said today, you'll be with me in paradise. Sorry, So

2101
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,720
Speaker 15: you see what I'm saying. But the Communs didn't know,

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Speaker 15: so I don't know. I don't know Donald Trump's final end.

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Speaker 15: But you know what, I pray that he does make

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Speaker 15: it to heaven. I pray that he does repent of

2105
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Speaker 15: a sin because God will again. Remember I said earlier,

2106
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Speaker 15: God has his way in salvation. And the scripture tells

2107
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Speaker 15: us clearly God's desires that none should perish. God set

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Speaker 15: everything up for us to act to accept Jesus so

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Speaker 15: that we wouldn't die in our sins.

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Speaker 8: And I don't.

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Speaker 15: I don't want Donald Trump or anyone on the face

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Speaker 15: of this earth to die in their sins. I want

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Speaker 15: them to be saved and the no Christ and spend.

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Speaker 1: And let's get a response from Dr Edmonds. I forgot you,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Edmonds.

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Speaker 5: You know, uh, I look at it this way.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 5: The apostle Paul said to the church at Corinth in

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Speaker 5: tewod Corinthians, Verse five, Chapter five, verse ten. He said,

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Speaker 5: we all must appear before the judgment sye of Christ,

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Speaker 5: that everyone may give an account for the thing which

2122
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Speaker 5: he or she has done, whether it be good or bad.

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Speaker 5: The bottom line is hell is just a holding place.

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Speaker 5: This eternal separation from God is the link of fire

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Speaker 5: and brimstone. If one's name is not in that book,

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Speaker 5: they're going to the place of torment. And if it's

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Speaker 5: centered around our actions, our thoughts, allowing wick it one

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Speaker 5: to control us, and we ourselves don't repent of that,

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Speaker 5: then we're certainly under judgment. And judgment is centered around

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Speaker 5: the godly principles God's word, and if it doesn't measure

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Speaker 5: up to God's word, then the outcome or the final

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Speaker 5: judgment itself is swift. And sure, that's just the way

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Speaker 5: it is. God's word is a standard. Biblical scripture is

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Speaker 5: the standard by which all other truth claims must be tested.

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Speaker 5: And so God will not go back on his word.

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Speaker 5: But as Pastor Manning say, he wished for not one

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Speaker 5: to perish, and that's why he's being long suffering. Even

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Speaker 5: at this time, this period of time that we're living in,

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Speaker 5: God is being long suffering. But I give you a

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Speaker 5: quick example and then we can move forward. Abraham so God,

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Speaker 5: and God revealed to him that he was going to

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Speaker 5: destroy Solomigamora for their wickedness. Well, Abraham's nephew, a Lot,

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Speaker 5: was living in that area, and Abraham knew it, and

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Speaker 5: he said to God, if you find fifty that are righteous,

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Speaker 5: will you destroy Sodom Ingamora? And God says no. And

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Speaker 5: Abraham kept going, do you if you find twenty he

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Speaker 5: said no. If you find ten, he said no, I

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Speaker 5: won't destroy it. He couldn't find ten, and he destroyed

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Speaker 5: Sodom Ingamorra. So the thing of it is is God's

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Speaker 5: word is that standard. And if there's repentance, true repentance,

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Speaker 5: then according to the Word, then that person will escape

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Speaker 5: that final torment.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get quick break. We come back.

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Speaker 1: I let Jean finish the second half of his question

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Speaker 1: twenty two minutes away from the top there. I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks want to talk to the Faith

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Speaker 1: Brothers faith bills. If you can show up on the

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Speaker 1: responses that appreciate it eight hundred and four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seventy sixth number the call to

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Speaker 1: speak to them. We'll take your phone calls next and

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Speaker 1: grind rising family fasts. Sticking with us on this Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 1: it's a hum day. We're halfway through the workweek with

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Speaker 1: the Faith Brothers, Doctor j Emmonds and Pastor Current Manning.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to them, let me just remind

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Speaker 1: you come up late this morning. We're going to speak

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Speaker 1: with doctor John Collis. Some of you may recall the

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Speaker 1: sixty eight Olympics in Mexico City, John and Tommy Smith.

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Speaker 1: They threw up their hands in protesting because sixty eight

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Speaker 1: it was a seminal year for us in this country,

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Speaker 1: the backdrop of the Vietnam War, assassin nations taking place

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Speaker 1: in riots. Well, anyway, they protested, protested on the world

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Speaker 1: stage of the Olympics and got kicked out. He's going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. He's going to This is way

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Speaker 1: before we had a calling Kapinet, we had activist athletes

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Speaker 1: like John Collis at doctor John Collis, and tomorrow we're

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Speaker 1: going to be joined by the University of Houston's doctor

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Speaker 1: Jerald Horn, also geopolitical analyst Matthew ho All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go back to our calls for the faith brothers. Jean

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Speaker 1: in Pikesville had a question, the second question or follow

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Speaker 1: up questions, So go ahead, Jene.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, read quickly the are you familiar with the promise

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Speaker 16: of the Messiah or as the Jews believe, the promise

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Speaker 16: of Zion? Where when they rebuild the temple, and what

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Speaker 16: is it the ark of the Covenant is placed back

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Speaker 16: in it, that the Messiah will come right now. Of course,

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Speaker 16: the Muslims occupy the mound, and they would have to

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Speaker 16: be removed in order for with the you know, the

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Speaker 16: Jewish people believe, and you know the job in in

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Speaker 16: reference to the promise of the Pentecost and Jesus and

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Speaker 16: the rapture, you know, that's a big question. But could

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Speaker 16: you any of those in reference to the promise of

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Speaker 16: the Messiah?

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Gene, I think.

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Speaker 5: Well, of course, well, of course, the uh, the Israelites, Well,

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Speaker 5: let's put it like this. The present day Jews are

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Speaker 5: waiting for the Messiah to come, and there's a serious

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Speaker 5: a series of things that must happen, first geographically, as

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Speaker 5: far as the temple, as far as the preparation for

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Speaker 5: the coming of the Messiah, which we know he has

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Speaker 5: already come.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 5: But they're still waiting on the predecessor. They're they're waiting

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Speaker 5: on the forerunner rather Uh, Elijah to come first and

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Speaker 5: then the Messiah and then they will fully furnish the

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Speaker 5: temple with the arc and all of that. For them,

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Speaker 5: this is a a not only a messianic sign, but

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Speaker 5: it is an eschatological sign the end of things, and

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Speaker 5: that Israel will become the Greek kingdom it was before.

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Speaker 5: And this is what they are are waiting for. But

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Speaker 5: we're already living in the times at this point because

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Speaker 5: the Messiah has come, The four Runner has come, who

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Speaker 5: came with the Spirit of Eli, who was John the Baptist.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me interrupt you for a second here at

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Speaker 1: doctor and any further down the road on that you

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Speaker 1: talked about. The people call themselves Jews, and they say

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Speaker 1: they were the chosen ones. Explain that for us, are

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Speaker 1: they the chosen ones? Is Israel? That part in North Africa,

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Speaker 1: which they renamed the Middle East, is that the chosen

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Speaker 1: land is because this is the basis of what's going

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Speaker 1: on right now with Iran. They claim that that's their land.

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Speaker 1: They're taking back their land when many of them came

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Speaker 1: from Europe. So biblically explained that is that correct? What

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Speaker 1: we're said in the Bible about that section of Africa,

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Speaker 1: northwest Africa.

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Speaker 5: Well, that strip alongside the Mediterranean was the land of

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Speaker 5: the Canaanites initially, and God gave that to Israel. He

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Speaker 5: gave that to Jacob's sons, his twelve sons, and which

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Speaker 5: are the twelve tribes of Israel?

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Speaker 1: Call that again? So where was is Where was where

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Speaker 1: God gave that land to Israel? So where what country

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Speaker 1: occupies that land today? That was ancient Israel?

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Speaker 5: Israel. That's where Israel is. That is Israel. That strip

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Speaker 5: beside the Mediterranean with the gods strip and all, there

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Speaker 5: was three territories. The northern part was Galilee, the middle

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Speaker 5: part was Samaria, and then the southern, the most southern

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Speaker 5: part toward Egypt, that was Judea. That's where Jerusalem is.

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Speaker 5: So that strip God gave that to Israel. The problem

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Speaker 5: is who are the true Israelites. You have the Sephardic

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Speaker 5: Jews who basically we're in the in Spain in that area,

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Speaker 5: which are you know, are basically stating that they are uh,

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Speaker 5: the descendants, and you have a you're not as you're

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Speaker 5: not Jews, uh, which are stating that they are. So

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Speaker 5: the that's the problem, I submit, and I may be

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Speaker 5: making a precipitous lead from speculation, the fact that the true,

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Speaker 5: the true Israelites are those who are of that spirit

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Speaker 5: who uh uh you know of an inward spirit, not

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Speaker 5: an outward look and that remnant will be pronounced at

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Speaker 5: that point in time when it's signed for it. But

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Speaker 5: these are all signs that we're in in time. What

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Speaker 5: the caller is speaking about concerning the restoration of the temple, uh,

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Speaker 5: the rebuilding of the temple, rather the installation of the

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Speaker 5: art and all of that uh business indication of the time.

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Speaker 5: What is more troubling is that who, what, people, what

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Speaker 5: instruments are the enemy using in these end times. That's

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Speaker 5: what is important, and uh, pastor Menning, we're talking about

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Speaker 5: us as instruments being used for God, for the Kingdom

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Speaker 5: of God, and the discussion will be centered around that.

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Speaker 5: That's why we have Trump doing what he's doing and

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Speaker 5: others doing what they're doing relative to supporting that.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, got you to thank you, doctor Edmonds.

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Speaker 1: Tan away from the top as mess. You've still got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of folks want to speak to you. Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Cliffs in Connecticut is online for Grand Rising. Cliff, you'reround

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Speaker 1: with the faith Brothers, a grand Rising to your.

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Speaker 14: Guest brother Kyle grid Cars. You taking all this in

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Speaker 14: And the reason why I'm asking is because you mentioned

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Speaker 14: this is so critical. You brought up the issue is

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Speaker 14: racism in religion, and it is so the question is

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Speaker 14: for an example, White Christian nationalists, to me, is a

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Speaker 14: good example of white racism that exists in religion.

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Speaker 5: They believe their God is white.

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Speaker 15: God gave them this land.

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Speaker 14: They are to inherit this land. They should take by

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Speaker 14: any means their religion abortion. All that is to uplift

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Speaker 14: their white kingdom. Now this should be fair to your

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Speaker 14: guests to the faith brothers. Does the opposite apply? Do

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Speaker 14: you believe that there's any black racism in religion? And

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Speaker 14: can you give me example of that if that exists?

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Cliff.

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Speaker 15: I think I mean it's the it's the age old.

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Speaker 15: You know, that's a that's a controversy that that people

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Speaker 15: use to play on words about, you know, you know,

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Speaker 15: can black people be racist when you're talking about the

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Speaker 15: system in our country, how it formed, the origins of it,

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Speaker 15: most people would say no. When I look at racism

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Speaker 15: and and it's definition, the purest.

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Speaker 8: Form of it.

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Speaker 15: Actually, I love, I love one of the one of

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Speaker 15: my favorite definitions of racism. And I'll quote give you

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Speaker 15: this quote rather and then and then I'll answer. It's

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Speaker 15: from doctor Tony Evans doctor Evans says this, when you

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Speaker 15: have unaddressed prejudice married to power, you're gonna have an

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Speaker 15: unintended pregnancy that will give birth to an evil baby

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Speaker 15: called racism. So I do believe that that black people

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Speaker 15: in all people have not only a tendency, but we

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Speaker 15: almost you know, it's almost our proclivity as as fallen man,

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Speaker 15: to somehow try to elevate ourselves above others in order

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Speaker 15: to for for whatever reason. So in that sense, absolutely,

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Speaker 15: In the other sense racism in our country, we know

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Speaker 15: one of the things that that has keep kept it

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Speaker 15: alive is that it's funded by power, and that power

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Speaker 15: is the financial backing of our country and of other powerful, small,

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Speaker 15: powerful families and people who have made sure that that

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Speaker 15: institutionally and systemically that people of color are oppressed over time.

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Speaker 15: So there's a lot of pieces to that. But yeah,

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Speaker 15: I think that we all have to deal with the

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Speaker 15: isms that can take us away from God's original purposes.

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Speaker 15: And his purpose is not that we express prejudice or

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Speaker 15: hatred or oppression towards another individual. And black people can

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Speaker 15: do that just like any other people group can do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Eight away from the top of our Fred's

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Speaker 1: in Bouoiez Online. Six Grand Rising, Fred your question for

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Speaker 1: the faith brothers.

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Speaker 11: Okay, I got a lot, but I'm gonna cutt it

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Speaker 11: ballsal save time, praise the Lord, Doctor Evans and Pastor

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Speaker 11: Manning's and grand rise and call all right, Now, we've

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Speaker 11: got a spiritual advisor that's behind Donald Trump by the

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Speaker 11: name of PAULA.

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Speaker 5: White.

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Speaker 11: Two questions, but they got three. Do you think the

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Speaker 11: church is too tended to deal with the cause of racism?

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Speaker 11: The second one, the five oh one c is that

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Speaker 11: bridling the church, which means the church can't really function

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Speaker 11: that she should because she's being bridled with discovernant rule

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Speaker 11: of five oh one se Because the point is, you

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Speaker 11: got all these ministers, white ministers, and I'm gonna call

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Speaker 11: them David Jeremiah, Robert Jeff's, James Robinson, John Hagy, Alan Jackson,

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Speaker 11: Edric Price tried to deal with it back in the eighties,

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Speaker 11: and that's true. His son tried to was supposed to

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Speaker 11: be married to kidd of Haagan, that's the minister's name,

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Speaker 11: and that had been a problem in the church since

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Speaker 11: the eighties. I don't think the church have grown to

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Speaker 11: a point to call out those white nationalists, evangelic jellicals,

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Speaker 11: because we had a prominent minister that have anointed Paula

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Speaker 11: White and not spoken against her.

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Speaker 1: Right putting in a question for him, putting in your

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Speaker 1: third question, because we're raising the clock with the.

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Speaker 11: Question number One, the church is too is too timid

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Speaker 11: to deal with the cause of racism? Two is if

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Speaker 11: ible one see hurting and brighter in the church. That's

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Speaker 11: what I want to put out there.

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Speaker 15: Well, I can answer just as a as a pastor.

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Speaker 15: I'm going into my thirty sixth year of pastoring full time,

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Speaker 15: and all I can do is answer for myself. I'm

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Speaker 15: not too timid. And as I said earlier, that not

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Speaker 15: only should the church, but the church has to speak

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02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:31,600
Speaker 15: truth to to these issues in these situations and scenarios,

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Speaker 15: including Paula White and anybody else and and the five

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Speaker 15: and one seed. Three thing is I don't I've never

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Speaker 15: allowed that to bridle me or limit me. I've got

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02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 15: a principle that based on following God's word and and

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02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:52,000
Speaker 15: his voice and his Holy Spirit. If I if I,

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02:16:53,560 --> 02:16:55,960
Speaker 15: if I'm if I'm wrong, I should be stopped. But

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02:16:56,040 --> 02:16:57,440
Speaker 15: if I'm right, I can't be stopped.

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Speaker 5: So I don't.

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02:16:58,320 --> 02:17:00,320
Speaker 15: I don't bridle my tongue when I'm standing me for

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Speaker 15: a city council on behalf of an African American male

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02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 15: that was shot by the police. I don't brite on

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02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:09,680
Speaker 15: my tongue when it comes to things like this. But

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Speaker 15: but I do make sure that I'm being guided by

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02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:16,200
Speaker 15: the Holy Spirit and by the Word of God when

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Speaker 15: I'm speaking to these things. I don't think the Bible

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Speaker 15: one c. Three, I don't. I really don't give a

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02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:24,400
Speaker 15: lot of energy to separation of church and state. When

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02:17:24,440 --> 02:17:26,200
Speaker 15: the Lord sends me, I go. When he tells me

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02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:30,320
Speaker 15: to speak, I speak, and I'm invited. And I say

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02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 15: to folk, you know, if you if you didn't want

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Speaker 15: me to pray in Jesus' name, for example, don't invite me,

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Speaker 15: because that's how I pray. And I've been invited into

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Speaker 15: spaces where people aren't very religious, but they want and

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Speaker 15: you know, they want me there, and I go. When

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Speaker 15: I go, I carry his presence with me, and I

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02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,360
Speaker 15: carry his truth with me. And as long as we're

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02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:53,280
Speaker 15: speaking that truth and living that truth, I think we'll

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Speaker 15: be all right.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, four minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 1: thank you for we got to step aside, So take

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Speaker 1: a quick break so our stations can identify themselves down

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Speaker 1: the line eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six to speak to the Faith Brothers. We'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next. And Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with the

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Speaker 1: Faith Brothers. Doctor John Callis is on deck. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to him momentarily to take one more call for the

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Speaker 1: Faith Brothers. And if you've shown up on the responsors

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Speaker 1: or appreciate it. Marvin's calling from DC's online five Grand Rising. Marvin.

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02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:28,560
Speaker 1: Your question for the Faith Brothers, he call?

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Speaker 5: How are you doing this morning?

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02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah? Your question for the Faith brother is real quick Marvin.

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Speaker 7: Well, yes, I just wanted to ask him, why is

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02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:39,880
Speaker 7: it that we're still dealing with racism all of these

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02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:40,920
Speaker 7: years and all this time?

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Speaker 5: No, No, don't know nothing about him how to stop it?

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02:18:43,560 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 5: Is there any kind of way that he can come

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02:18:44,920 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 5: up with idea to stop racism and white supremacis and

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Speaker 5: everything we're going through? What? What? What?

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Speaker 7: What do you feel about it?

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Speaker 5: How do you think we could stop that?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a fair question. Can the church stop racism?

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Speaker 1: White supremacy faith.

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Speaker 5: Brothers, Pastor Manning handle that one.

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Speaker 10: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, racism is a sin, and sin is

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02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:16,039
Speaker 15: going to continue as long as we deny God's truth

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02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:20,640
Speaker 15: in our lives. I think it starts from a personal perspective.

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02:19:20,680 --> 02:19:22,720
Speaker 15: I think each and every one of us may make

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02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:26,240
Speaker 15: a decision to turn away from sin and to reject

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Speaker 15: any ideology in any system that will keep us apart

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Speaker 15: from our brothers and sisters. And then secondly, I think

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02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:36,959
Speaker 15: then we build out from there. We have to teach

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02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:39,640
Speaker 15: it and preach it in our congregations, we have to

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02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:44,039
Speaker 15: expect it in our government. We have to be there

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Speaker 15: on the forefront, on the front lines, making sure that

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Speaker 15: our elected officials do the bidding of the people, and

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02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,240
Speaker 15: that the people's heart are in the right place. Then

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02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:56,520
Speaker 15: our country and our nation will thrive. And then, of course,

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02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:59,080
Speaker 15: on the world stage, the world is looking at us,

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02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,880
Speaker 15: the world is watching us. So so I believe. I

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02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:06,000
Speaker 15: believe in the power. Ultimately, I believe in the power

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Speaker 15: of love that love conquerors. But it's a fight, so

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02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:12,080
Speaker 15: so I don't I don't know if I'll see it

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02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,680
Speaker 15: in my time, but I'm praying that I will and

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Speaker 15: I'm going to keep doing all that I can so

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Speaker 15: that as for me and my house, we will.

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Speaker 10: Serve the Lord.

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Speaker 1: All right, three out that top. We're going to hold

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Speaker 1: it right there because we got doctor John Collis on deck.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh.

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Speaker 1: Pastor Manning, how can folks reach you?

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02:20:30,480 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 15: Yes, Pasadena Church dot com and if you want to

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02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:36,800
Speaker 15: email me directly Pastor Kerwin K E. R W I

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02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:40,359
Speaker 15: N at Pasadena Church dot com. We're also on Facebook

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02:20:40,400 --> 02:20:42,800
Speaker 15: and YouTube and the other platforms as well.

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Speaker 5: All right, Doctor Edlinds, Yes, through some all, Pastor Manning,

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02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:51,360
Speaker 5: and I want to thank you for the invitation. All right,

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02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:54,840
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, so very kind, so very kindly. I

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02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:59,000
Speaker 5: just wanted you to know that and you are you

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02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:04,920
Speaker 5: are man, and who really is behind what you believe?

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02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:06,000
Speaker 15: Uh?

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02:21:06,520 --> 02:21:10,840
Speaker 5: For our Lord? And amen everyone everyone to know that

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02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:16,600
Speaker 5: about you. Thank you again. Yes, they can reach me

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02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:21,200
Speaker 5: at the Edmunds Group Global at gmail dot com. The

2443
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:24,200
Speaker 5: Edmunds Group Global at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, for the family you didn't get it, yeah,

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02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:30,280
Speaker 1: and for the family didn't get a chance to ask questions.

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02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 1: They'll be here next month, so please call early so

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02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:35,160
Speaker 1: we can get all of you, because you know they

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02:21:35,240 --> 02:21:37,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about religion for you, for

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02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:40,200
Speaker 1: the faith brothers, and let me say this past the current.

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02:21:40,200 --> 02:21:42,840
Speaker 1: I understand that you're going to South Africa, so save

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02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:44,840
Speaker 1: travels and know what it's like to be flying in

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02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,119
Speaker 1: this and this time. What's going on in the world today,

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02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:49,920
Speaker 1: So safe travels for you went to to see the

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02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:51,840
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in South Africa.

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Speaker 15: Thank you, Brother carl Thank you Doctor.

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Speaker 1: J All Right, family, let's move on five after the

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Speaker 1: top of doctor John Carlis un rising, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the programs. Good to be what you call how's the family?

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Speaker 12: Why are they doing fine? Man?

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02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:09,560
Speaker 5: My wife had some.

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Speaker 12: Surgery done earlier the last week and she's on recovery.

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02:22:15,560 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 12: So you know, all the prayers that people put out

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Speaker 12: for my family and the love did they expressed. So

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Speaker 12: I'm misworking and we definitely appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we get the prayer family to get on

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Speaker 1: that for you, John, But let's talk about activists athletes.

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Speaker 1: Before there was a Collin Kaepernick, there was a John

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Speaker 1: Carlis and a Tommy Smith. If you can take us

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Speaker 1: back to sixty eight that you know I missed a

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Speaker 1: seminal year in this country. The backdrop of some of

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Speaker 1: the folks are too young, they don't remember what was

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02:22:45,800 --> 02:22:48,440
Speaker 1: going on or the or they weren't even born. You know,

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02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:52,560
Speaker 1: in sixty eight with the Olympics in Mexico City and

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Speaker 1: what you guys did in Mexico City, because we had

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02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:58,760
Speaker 1: we had assassinations, we had riots going on, and again

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02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:01,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Vietnam War. It was that somebody mentioned

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02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:05,440
Speaker 1: a ball of confusion taking place in sixty eight the

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02:23:05,560 --> 02:23:10,280
Speaker 1: conventions as well. So you and Tommy Smith explain to

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Speaker 1: the family who don't know what happened. Can you tell us, John,

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02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:15,920
Speaker 1: what happened that particular event.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would say we came into an era of reckoning.

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Speaker 17: We became aware of who we were, and we became

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02:23:25,480 --> 02:23:28,160
Speaker 17: aware of the fact that we have a position in

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Speaker 17: life where we can make a statement that would represent

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Speaker 17: so many people that's been forgotten.

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Speaker 5: And depressed and held back.

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Speaker 12: As athletes, you know, we look for clergy, we look

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02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:43,400
Speaker 12: for politicians, We look for our leaders to guide the students.

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Speaker 12: Mayhem that we had as black people are people of color,

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Speaker 12: we didn't see a strong enough effort. So as athletes,

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02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:58,360
Speaker 12: realizing that we had a wide public spectrum where so

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Speaker 12: many people we have touched over the years through athletics.

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02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:06,520
Speaker 12: We thought that we could make a humanitarian statement and

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02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:10,000
Speaker 12: touch the same people and begin to make them realize

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02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 12: that we're fighting for them and they need to join

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02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:14,320
Speaker 12: in and fight for themselves.

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Speaker 1: So just just but but what you did, you know,

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Speaker 1: by today's standards, it's it's it's like a nursing rhyme.

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Speaker 1: What you did was so so mild. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: getting expelled for the Olympics. Just throwing up a fist.

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Speaker 1: What can you explain that the family? Why that was so?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why that demonstration? Because you're on the world platform now,

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02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:41,600
Speaker 1: everybody's watching the Olympics if they they're given out the

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02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:44,120
Speaker 1: medals and people you've seen that that that photo that's

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Speaker 1: an iconic photo with with John and Tommy Smith and

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Speaker 1: I think it's Peter Norman from Australia was on theres

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Speaker 1: at the podium as well. Uh what what precipits ay that?

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Speaker 1: What you know and did you guys plan.

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Speaker 12: That when you sit back and you think back in time,

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02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:02,480
Speaker 12: anyone of color that has broken the mold, so to speak,

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Speaker 12: has been you know, set back. They try and destroy

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02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:11,200
Speaker 12: their reputations, They try and tarnish their their legacies, they

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Speaker 12: try and you know, stop their growth in life. They

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02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:17,440
Speaker 12: tried many things to stop individuals. You know, Tommy Smith

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02:25:17,480 --> 02:25:19,959
Speaker 12: and John Costs, we're not the first to step out

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02:25:20,040 --> 02:25:23,600
Speaker 12: of the zone. So to speak out of the stable,

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02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:27,280
Speaker 12: you might say, we want to make a statement that

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Speaker 12: will resound around the world, because not only just blacks

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02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:36,320
Speaker 12: here in America is going through h pain and suffering. Uh,

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02:25:36,600 --> 02:25:39,320
Speaker 12: minorities throughout the world have going through pain and suffering.

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Speaker 12: And if anyone has the blueprint that they can put

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02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:45,440
Speaker 12: out the other parts of the world in terms of

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02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:49,280
Speaker 12: how to deal with something that's affecting your life, affecting

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02:25:49,360 --> 02:25:54,000
Speaker 12: your future, affecting generations to come. We had to put

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02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:56,120
Speaker 12: that blueprint out there to let them know that you

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02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:59,160
Speaker 12: can stand for self and be strong. I think that's

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02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:02,840
Speaker 12: why the energy came against us, is because we pulled

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02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:06,600
Speaker 12: the blinds open. We let the world see what this

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Speaker 12: racism was and what it was doing to America. I

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02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:12,520
Speaker 12: mean in terms of what we've done in America, in

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Speaker 12: terms of the inventions that we braided over the years,

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Speaker 12: in terms of those that sacrificed their lives and blood

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Speaker 12: for the military over the years, for just so many

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Speaker 12: things that we've done in the athletic world and the

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Speaker 12: entertainment feel we've done tremendous things across the board, but

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Speaker 12: when it comes to us trying to be on the

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Speaker 12: level plan field, we're held back merely because of our skin.

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Speaker 1: Some people say at that time, I remember at that

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02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:42,840
Speaker 1: time they were saying that you guys should have picked

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02:26:42,879 --> 02:26:46,120
Speaker 1: another venue or another event to make that kind of protest,

2542
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:49,879
Speaker 1: that you embarrassed the United States in front of the world.

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02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:51,400
Speaker 1: How did you see it at that time?

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02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:53,920
Speaker 12: Well, I guess they figured I should have went in

2545
02:26:53,959 --> 02:26:55,959
Speaker 12: front of the Apollo Theater and did it in front

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02:26:55,959 --> 02:26:58,760
Speaker 12: of their followup theater. My mission was to reach the

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02:26:58,840 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 12: far ends of the earth to let let them know

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02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 12: that all is not well. Uh, you know where else

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02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:06,720
Speaker 12: would I do it other than their Olympic Games. That's

2550
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:09,440
Speaker 12: the highest point in my life and it wasn't a

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02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:11,560
Speaker 12: given to me. I had to earn nothing right to

2552
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:14,160
Speaker 12: be on that victory stand. And no one can dictate

2553
02:27:14,680 --> 02:27:17,720
Speaker 12: in terms of how I should conduct myself as long

2554
02:27:17,800 --> 02:27:21,720
Speaker 12: as above board, it's not and you know any inflammatory thing.

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02:27:21,879 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 12: You know, I didn't give the finger out and pull

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02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:26,320
Speaker 12: my pants down and moon anybody. I think what we

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02:27:26,440 --> 02:27:28,800
Speaker 12: did was a very dignified statement.

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Speaker 1: But John, it costs you an Tommy a lot afterwards,

2559
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:36,920
Speaker 1: you guys were punished for doing that having said that,

2560
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:38,519
Speaker 1: would you do it all over again.

2561
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:42,680
Speaker 5: Tomorrow later today? Of course?

2562
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:45,039
Speaker 12: You know, let me tell you something. You know, it's

2563
02:27:45,080 --> 02:27:49,080
Speaker 12: not about doing something for yourself. When you sit about

2564
02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:52,040
Speaker 12: sit back and think about the generations to come after you.

2565
02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:54,760
Speaker 12: When you think about your children, you think about your

2566
02:27:54,879 --> 02:27:59,200
Speaker 12: children's children in terms of saying, I have a position

2567
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:02,400
Speaker 12: in life right now where I could possibly make things

2568
02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:06,320
Speaker 12: better for my kids, better for my grandkids, my great

2569
02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:09,640
Speaker 12: grandkids father better than it was my father and his father.

2570
02:28:10,680 --> 02:28:14,000
Speaker 12: And I'm in that position to make a statement or

2571
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:15,840
Speaker 12: I'm gonna just get caught up in the motion and

2572
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:18,920
Speaker 12: tears in my eyes based on the country that I

2573
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:21,200
Speaker 12: love but shows no love back to me.

2574
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:26,080
Speaker 1: He left him after the top of the family, just

2575
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who we talked to. Was doctor

2576
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 1: John Collison, along with Thomas Smith. They were kicked out

2577
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:34,120
Speaker 1: of the Olympic Games, and back in nineteen sixty it

2578
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:36,400
Speaker 1: was a real big deal back in those days. If

2579
02:28:36,480 --> 02:28:39,320
Speaker 1: if people remember that, I mean it was he was huge.

2580
02:28:39,800 --> 02:28:41,920
Speaker 1: They went on the world stage. And all they did

2581
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:46,120
Speaker 1: was was the Black Power salute. And what was Avery

2582
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:50,640
Speaker 1: bunders was the of the Olympic continuent for the US.

2583
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,960
Speaker 12: Correct, John, You know, if Avery Brothers was live today,

2584
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:56,680
Speaker 12: he'd be a part of a mecca right now.

2585
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Got me chuckle it. But yet But because what did

2586
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:04,080
Speaker 1: he say to you though after you guys threw up

2587
02:29:04,120 --> 02:29:06,600
Speaker 1: the fist that you know, because back in the day,

2588
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:09,280
Speaker 1: for for the old folks that we that was common

2589
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:10,800
Speaker 1: for brothers to see each other and just you know,

2590
02:29:11,080 --> 02:29:14,280
Speaker 1: give a fist, you know, kind of like a high five.

2591
02:29:14,320 --> 02:29:15,680
Speaker 1: But would your fist closed?

2592
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:16,800
Speaker 5: You don't know that.

2593
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:20,879
Speaker 17: But what they tried to expressed us and they tried

2594
02:29:20,920 --> 02:29:24,840
Speaker 17: that we were bringing politics into, uh, the Olympic Games.

2595
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:28,800
Speaker 12: And I said, no, you bought politics into the games

2596
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:31,560
Speaker 12: when you put the national flags up for the various countries.

2597
02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:34,160
Speaker 12: You bought politics into the Games.

2598
02:29:34,480 --> 02:29:39,960
Speaker 17: I bought the humanitarianism into the games, which uh, he

2599
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:43,879
Speaker 17: tried and write it off like we were being politically orientated.

2600
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:46,480
Speaker 17: How are you going to be politically orientated when you're

2601
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:48,039
Speaker 17: concerned about humanity?

2602
02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at thirteen at the time, and bundries he

2603
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:55,240
Speaker 1: tried to he tried to make it, you know, sort

2604
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:57,200
Speaker 1: of have him do the purp walk with the with

2605
02:29:57,280 --> 02:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the gear and kicked out of the Olympic village. Uh,

2606
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:02,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to. Did you see that he was trying

2607
02:30:02,480 --> 02:30:03,800
Speaker 1: to embarrass you guys doing that.

2608
02:30:05,320 --> 02:30:07,280
Speaker 12: Well, he didn't, not so much that he tried and

2609
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:09,640
Speaker 12: embarrass us as much as he tried and set a

2610
02:30:09,720 --> 02:30:13,520
Speaker 12: precedent to any young blacks after us is if you

2611
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:15,480
Speaker 12: step out the circle, this is what we're gonna do

2612
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:18,760
Speaker 12: to you. They always, you know, come back with the

2613
02:30:18,879 --> 02:30:22,320
Speaker 12: question was was it worth it? Would you do it again?

2614
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:23,680
Speaker 5: Based on the.

2615
02:30:23,720 --> 02:30:26,720
Speaker 12: Repercussions that you had to deal with. So, in other words,

2616
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:29,440
Speaker 12: they're sending a message to the young individuals you're gonna

2617
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:31,640
Speaker 12: sacrifice daily if you step out of the circle.

2618
02:30:33,879 --> 02:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Now at that time, John, after you guys did that protest,

2619
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:38,840
Speaker 1: were any of the brothers or any of the other

2620
02:30:38,959 --> 02:30:41,480
Speaker 1: athletes from not just from the United States but other

2621
02:30:41,560 --> 02:30:44,000
Speaker 1: countries today say hey, man, I'm with you at a

2622
02:30:44,120 --> 02:30:46,240
Speaker 1: chair you on or did this? You get some pushback

2623
02:30:46,280 --> 02:30:49,000
Speaker 1: and let's and say that they were happy that you

2624
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:50,400
Speaker 1: got guys got kicked out.

2625
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:53,959
Speaker 12: Well, I think many of the athletes supported what we did,

2626
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:57,760
Speaker 12: particularly many of the black athletes supported what we did. However,

2627
02:30:58,200 --> 02:31:00,600
Speaker 12: you know, when you sit back and think about the Games,

2628
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:03,240
Speaker 12: this is something that they start putting on your mind

2629
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:06,680
Speaker 12: from the time you need how to Addresshopper to go

2630
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,960
Speaker 12: to the Olympic Games to represent America. Everyone wants to

2631
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:12,800
Speaker 12: go and represent America, you know. So when you get

2632
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:15,520
Speaker 12: to that point where I had the possibility of making

2633
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:21,960
Speaker 12: the Games, even though I realized the trials and triviulations

2634
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:26,280
Speaker 12: of blacks in America, that opportunity to go to the

2635
02:31:26,360 --> 02:31:29,720
Speaker 12: Games is even greater than that, you know. You know

2636
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 12: many indiviudis to say, man, money of my kids are

2637
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:34,800
Speaker 12: counting on me to win that medal. My church is

2638
02:31:34,840 --> 02:31:37,240
Speaker 12: counting on me, and my community is counting me. Everyone

2639
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:40,360
Speaker 12: is counting on me to win the medal. But when

2640
02:31:40,400 --> 02:31:42,360
Speaker 12: you sit back, you say, the medal is only a myth.

2641
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:42,960
Speaker 5: You know.

2642
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:44,720
Speaker 12: It's like that carrot that's out in front of you

2643
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:46,800
Speaker 12: on a stick. You can chase that carriac, but you

2644
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:49,200
Speaker 12: ain't gonna never catch the carrot, but you have that

2645
02:31:49,360 --> 02:31:52,800
Speaker 12: belief that you will winning the medal. I can go

2646
02:31:52,879 --> 02:31:56,640
Speaker 12: back and ask many, many, many black athletes all the

2647
02:31:56,680 --> 02:31:59,000
Speaker 12: way down back Downaldy, just here there was days up

2648
02:31:59,040 --> 02:32:03,640
Speaker 12: to the current day. What is the matter watche Okay,

2649
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:06,680
Speaker 12: Now they throw money up, But when they throw money up,

2650
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:09,360
Speaker 12: that money is only for you and your little spot

2651
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 12: on this earth. What does it do for your race

2652
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:16,400
Speaker 12: to tell you say, if you're not an athlete, you're

2653
02:32:16,480 --> 02:32:18,760
Speaker 12: just gonna be a second class citizen because we can't

2654
02:32:18,959 --> 02:32:23,080
Speaker 12: use any talents that you might have. No, we was

2655
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:27,280
Speaker 12: concerned about the jenerator in the building. We're concerned about

2656
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:30,640
Speaker 12: the educator. We're concerned about individuals that was in the

2657
02:32:30,760 --> 02:32:34,640
Speaker 12: line trying to find a job, you know. So, like

2658
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:38,000
Speaker 12: I said, we was concerned about humanity blacks and particularly

2659
02:32:38,040 --> 02:32:39,800
Speaker 12: because we knew the plight of black people.

2660
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta ask you, there's sixteen out the time

2661
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:47,039
Speaker 1: they will come on a break. But after you did

2662
02:32:47,080 --> 02:32:49,280
Speaker 1: this and George forming the boxer. It was part of

2663
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:52,640
Speaker 1: the Olympic team. Back then. I remember this game so well.

2664
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I remember Bob Beeman almost jumping out of the in

2665
02:32:55,720 --> 02:32:58,000
Speaker 1: the long jump. He he set a record long ja

2666
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:00,760
Speaker 1: and that stayed for quite a while. The quarter mile

2667
02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:02,880
Speaker 1: of team and the other it was it was, you know,

2668
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:05,240
Speaker 1: it was stacked. It's just it's a great it's a

2669
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,400
Speaker 1: great Games for the United Saates and that's why they

2670
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:10,800
Speaker 1: said that John and and Thomas Smith ruined it. But

2671
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:15,480
Speaker 1: George Foreman was the boxing to represent the United States.

2672
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:17,120
Speaker 12: And hit it with Let me let me just go

2673
02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:19,640
Speaker 12: back a little bit what you said about they say

2674
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:23,280
Speaker 12: that George Farman, I mean John, John Casson, Thomas ruined

2675
02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:28,720
Speaker 12: the games. How do you ruin someone's athletic ability based

2676
02:33:28,760 --> 02:33:33,480
Speaker 12: on you being a humanitarian? It didn't take away from

2677
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:38,480
Speaker 12: them as athletes what they did. Now, the power structure

2678
02:33:38,840 --> 02:33:43,000
Speaker 12: might have penalized them, and they didn't pedalize them because

2679
02:33:43,560 --> 02:33:47,760
Speaker 12: of what we did. They penalized me for what I did.

2680
02:33:48,040 --> 02:33:50,800
Speaker 12: But they got caught up in it because their complexion

2681
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:55,040
Speaker 12: was the same complexion in his mind. That's how they

2682
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:55,720
Speaker 12: got caught up.

2683
02:33:55,879 --> 02:33:59,119
Speaker 5: And they spanked them because oh I thought.

2684
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Right that John. We got to step aside for a

2685
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:02,520
Speaker 1: few months. We come back, though, I want to address

2686
02:34:02,520 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 1: the issue of George Forman. What happened family would have

2687
02:34:04,959 --> 02:34:09,240
Speaker 1: after those brothers that did that black power salute and

2688
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:11,160
Speaker 1: they got kicked out of the Games. George Foreman he

2689
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:12,840
Speaker 1: won his fight and then he picked up the American

2690
02:34:12,879 --> 02:34:16,040
Speaker 1: flag and walked around the ring and some people saw

2691
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:18,160
Speaker 1: that as a reaction and some people put him in

2692
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the back. Then we call them Tom's now when the

2693
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:23,440
Speaker 1: other are sambos put him in that George Forman in

2694
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:25,360
Speaker 1: that category. But you say we shouldn't do that. I'll

2695
02:34:25,400 --> 02:34:27,560
Speaker 1: let you explain that when we get back seventeen half

2696
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:29,879
Speaker 1: the top of the hour with doctor John Collis, the Olympian.

2697
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:31,840
Speaker 1: You got a question for him about even by track

2698
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:33,640
Speaker 1: and field. Reach out to us at eight hundred and

2699
02:34:33,640 --> 02:34:36,680
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

2700
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:40,040
Speaker 1: take you phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

2701
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:42,080
Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning with our

2702
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:45,120
Speaker 1: guest John Collis. Doctor John Collis is part of the

2703
02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:47,520
Speaker 1: sixty eight Olympic team along with Thomas Smith. They got

2704
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,039
Speaker 1: kicked out of the games. But doing a black power protest,

2705
02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:51,720
Speaker 1: not only did it was through the fist in the air,

2706
02:34:52,120 --> 02:34:55,800
Speaker 1: but it caused conniptionis a ripple effect across the country

2707
02:34:55,800 --> 02:34:58,520
Speaker 1: at the time, and in my group we were saluting

2708
02:34:58,879 --> 02:35:01,560
Speaker 1: and appreciating that they he used to their platform to

2709
02:35:01,640 --> 02:35:03,680
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on in black America. But at

2710
02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:06,760
Speaker 1: the same time, as I mentioned George Foreman, he won

2711
02:35:06,840 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 1: his medal, the heavyweight botching champion as an Olympian, and

2712
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:12,680
Speaker 1: he grabbed an American flag and he was walking around,

2713
02:35:12,840 --> 02:35:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, as if to say, I'm not with them.

2714
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:18,160
Speaker 1: You know, he's with the American flag, a small American flag,

2715
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:21,600
Speaker 1: walking around the ring after his fight. And for a while,

2716
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:27,360
Speaker 1: John I was thinking, man, he's not with us. George Foreman,

2717
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:30,760
Speaker 1: your thoughts, you said, that's not true. He was a

2718
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:31,320
Speaker 1: down brother.

2719
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:36,119
Speaker 12: Well let's talk about George Foreman, my friend, I might say,

2720
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:39,880
Speaker 12: my late friend, George Farman. When he came to games.

2721
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:44,280
Speaker 12: George Tharnman was like eighteen nineteen years old. He came

2722
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:48,320
Speaker 12: from a small town down in Texas that was not

2723
02:35:49,320 --> 02:35:51,680
Speaker 12: i would say, on a level playing field in that town.

2724
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:56,360
Speaker 12: As a youngster growing up, he works his way through

2725
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:59,160
Speaker 12: being a young thug, and someone took him and put

2726
02:35:59,240 --> 02:36:02,920
Speaker 12: him under his wing, taught Himbout how to box. Then

2727
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:07,320
Speaker 12: he began to find himself athletically. He worked his way

2728
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 12: as a young man to make the Olympic team. Mind you, now,

2729
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:13,760
Speaker 12: when he made the team, who was still a young

2730
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:17,200
Speaker 12: man that had no depth in terms of who he

2731
02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:22,160
Speaker 12: was as a black young man in America. He went

2732
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:26,160
Speaker 12: on we bonded. Matter of fact, I'm a little older

2733
02:36:26,200 --> 02:36:28,640
Speaker 12: than him. I took him under my under my wing.

2734
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:32,880
Speaker 12: We became very close. And what happened relative to the

2735
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:37,959
Speaker 12: flag after we made the demonstration. There is a guy

2736
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:41,440
Speaker 12: named Pappy gaud Pappy Gold was the head boxing coach

2737
02:36:41,480 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 12: of the team at the time. Pappy and I were

2738
02:36:44,480 --> 02:36:47,320
Speaker 12: pretty good friends, and Pappy came to me and said

2739
02:36:47,360 --> 02:36:50,680
Speaker 12: to me. The night before the fight, before the final

2740
02:36:50,680 --> 02:36:54,560
Speaker 12: of the heavyweight division, he came to me and he said, John,

2741
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:56,600
Speaker 12: He said, listen, I have two tickets for you and

2742
02:36:56,720 --> 02:36:59,200
Speaker 12: two for Tommy to come to the fight tomorrow night.

2743
02:37:00,920 --> 02:37:04,080
Speaker 12: He said, listen, man, I have a plan. He said. Now,

2744
02:37:04,879 --> 02:37:08,800
Speaker 12: I'm not gonna say what you did was right. I'm

2745
02:37:08,840 --> 02:37:10,720
Speaker 12: not gonna say what you did was wrong, he said.

2746
02:37:10,760 --> 02:37:12,360
Speaker 12: But what I am gonna say is that you need

2747
02:37:12,400 --> 02:37:14,200
Speaker 12: a way to be able to feed your family down

2748
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:16,960
Speaker 12: the line, which was right on the money, because he

2749
02:37:17,080 --> 02:37:21,680
Speaker 12: was absolutely right about that. Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't

2750
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:24,520
Speaker 12: know which, we didn't make the fight that next night.

2751
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:31,040
Speaker 12: But his plan was when George won that fight, to

2752
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,680
Speaker 12: put that flag in George's hand. If you notice, when

2753
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:36,240
Speaker 12: George got out there, George didn't had the flag. Pappy

2754
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:38,120
Speaker 12: put the flag in his hand and he was carrying

2755
02:37:38,160 --> 02:37:41,879
Speaker 12: a flag down and people realized that he had the flag,

2756
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:45,520
Speaker 12: and they started applauding, like crazy applause. And then he

2757
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:48,480
Speaker 12: started raising the flag up and walking around the ring.

2758
02:37:49,160 --> 02:37:52,000
Speaker 12: And when he did that, it was like we were

2759
02:37:52,040 --> 02:37:55,080
Speaker 12: in the top pinnacle of society right now, Tommy Smith

2760
02:37:55,160 --> 02:37:57,640
Speaker 12: and I And as he raised the flag, we begin

2761
02:37:57,800 --> 02:37:59,959
Speaker 12: to tumble and he began to rise. So we passed

2762
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,840
Speaker 12: see each other on the way. I'm going down, he's

2763
02:38:01,879 --> 02:38:06,680
Speaker 12: going up. But George had every right to raise the flag.

2764
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:10,320
Speaker 12: I wish I could have raised the flag, but based

2765
02:38:10,400 --> 02:38:13,200
Speaker 12: on my having more of an overview as to how

2766
02:38:13,400 --> 02:38:16,680
Speaker 12: we are being treated as people of color in America,

2767
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 12: I had a different concept in terms of how I

2768
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:23,600
Speaker 12: want to respond to the flag that he waged. So yeah,

2769
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,000
Speaker 12: once again I said, I would have loved to raise

2770
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:28,840
Speaker 12: that flag. I'd love to show my love for America,

2771
02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:31,200
Speaker 12: but I want America to show some love back to

2772
02:38:31,320 --> 02:38:31,880
Speaker 12: me as well.

2773
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:36,480
Speaker 1: A Shay twenty four af The Top Day with doctor

2774
02:38:36,520 --> 02:38:39,520
Speaker 1: John Corson and John Tweet. I just said, mister Carlis,

2775
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:41,680
Speaker 1: thank you for standing up for black people. That's what

2776
02:38:41,959 --> 02:38:44,480
Speaker 1: I talked about that with George Foreman. But let me

2777
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:47,480
Speaker 1: let me move on to the track and field effort.

2778
02:38:47,720 --> 02:38:50,560
Speaker 1: It seems and explain this, but it seems like that

2779
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:55,000
Speaker 1: the short the distance. The short distance seems like it's

2780
02:38:55,080 --> 02:38:58,680
Speaker 1: dominated by African Americans. Now people from the Caribbean, and

2781
02:38:58,959 --> 02:39:02,000
Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters on the continent seemed to dominate that.

2782
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:04,360
Speaker 1: The long distance. They said, what do you make about that?

2783
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:07,360
Speaker 12: Well, you know, let me tell you something. When we

2784
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:10,040
Speaker 12: were in Mexico City, that was the concept that we

2785
02:39:10,200 --> 02:39:14,119
Speaker 12: had that all of the Black Americans we would take

2786
02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:17,040
Speaker 12: care all of the sprints, all of the long jumping,

2787
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:19,720
Speaker 12: the so forth, like that, the hind jump, we would

2788
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:23,200
Speaker 12: dominate all of that, and then the continent of Africa

2789
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:27,520
Speaker 12: would dominate all the middle distance running from the marathon

2790
02:39:27,640 --> 02:39:31,080
Speaker 12: on back down to the half mile. We thought that

2791
02:39:31,160 --> 02:39:33,320
Speaker 12: we would have that, and everyone came together. They brought

2792
02:39:33,360 --> 02:39:36,120
Speaker 12: the conglands, they bought the steal drums, everybody had the

2793
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:39,680
Speaker 12: own music, and we came together as one. About us

2794
02:39:39,720 --> 02:39:42,600
Speaker 12: sitting in different sections at the games, like they normally

2795
02:39:42,680 --> 02:39:45,080
Speaker 12: have you sitting in different sections, you know for your country.

2796
02:39:45,400 --> 02:39:49,560
Speaker 12: We merged together as one in terms of us having

2797
02:39:50,040 --> 02:39:54,240
Speaker 12: athletic ability that God has given our particular race, not.

2798
02:39:54,360 --> 02:39:55,119
Speaker 5: The human race.

2799
02:39:55,440 --> 02:39:58,360
Speaker 12: But he gave the talents that we have as athletes

2800
02:39:58,760 --> 02:40:02,680
Speaker 12: to our race. And we came together to exploit the

2801
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:04,920
Speaker 12: talents that he gave and say we were one in

2802
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:09,720
Speaker 12: the same vein. You know, like you said, to continent

2803
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:14,080
Speaker 12: of Africa, they control the distance. Here in the United States,

2804
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:18,680
Speaker 12: we controlled pretty much all the sprints. So as a marriage, man,

2805
02:40:18,760 --> 02:40:21,040
Speaker 12: we just came together as one and say, man, you

2806
02:40:21,160 --> 02:40:23,280
Speaker 12: guys win a tent and we will win the tent.

2807
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2808
02:40:25,879 --> 02:40:28,120
Speaker 1: But John, what was that? Is that organic? Or is

2809
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:31,400
Speaker 1: there something specific why our brothers and sisters are better

2810
02:40:31,440 --> 02:40:34,199
Speaker 1: at the long distance and racist and wet at the sprints.

2811
02:40:35,640 --> 02:40:39,560
Speaker 12: It's genetically give It's a gift from God. Brother, It's

2812
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:41,360
Speaker 12: a gift for God. It's just like you know, if

2813
02:40:41,400 --> 02:40:46,119
Speaker 12: someone had to form land inside them to to create something,

2814
02:40:46,280 --> 02:40:51,480
Speaker 12: to develop something. It's a natural thing that they created Almighty.

2815
02:40:51,160 --> 02:40:51,800
Speaker 5: Gave to us.

2816
02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:53,440
Speaker 12: You can't explain it.

2817
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:54,440
Speaker 4: I got it.

2818
02:40:55,080 --> 02:40:56,280
Speaker 7: I just know that I have it.

2819
02:40:56,680 --> 02:40:59,920
Speaker 12: And a lot of us have the opportunity to say, well,

2820
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:02,760
Speaker 12: I know I'm good at something. But then when you

2821
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,520
Speaker 12: realize the gift that you had, then you're going, and

2822
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:10,280
Speaker 12: you manifested and become excellent at it. Not good, not great,

2823
02:41:10,480 --> 02:41:11,519
Speaker 12: but excellent.

2824
02:41:12,959 --> 02:41:13,280
Speaker 5: All right.

2825
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Twenty and after the top day, I'll call. I wanted

2826
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,160
Speaker 1: to know if you could tell us about your tryout

2827
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 1: with the NFL. Did what happened to Mexico City impact

2828
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:23,600
Speaker 1: you trying out for the National Football League?

2829
02:41:24,480 --> 02:41:27,039
Speaker 12: Well, what happened was after I got back from Mexico.

2830
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:28,800
Speaker 12: You know, I ran for a couple of years after

2831
02:41:28,920 --> 02:41:31,720
Speaker 12: Mexico City. I think I ran track up to nineteen seventy.

2832
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:34,560
Speaker 12: But I had done so well in track and field

2833
02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:37,280
Speaker 12: it got to the point where I was at at

2834
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:39,160
Speaker 12: the ceiling. It was nowhere else for me to go,

2835
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:41,520
Speaker 12: you know, it was no professional track and field. I

2836
02:41:41,640 --> 02:41:43,439
Speaker 12: need to be able to support my family.

2837
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:43,720
Speaker 5: Make money.

2838
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:46,000
Speaker 12: Then they knocked on my door and told me said,

2839
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:48,200
Speaker 12: hey man, we'd like to, you know, consider drafting you

2840
02:41:48,320 --> 02:41:51,320
Speaker 12: for the NFL. And you know, when I got in,

2841
02:41:52,400 --> 02:41:55,520
Speaker 12: I'm thinking with my naive self that because I never

2842
02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:58,199
Speaker 12: played football before, no more than a little Sandlote football

2843
02:41:58,200 --> 02:42:00,720
Speaker 12: as a kid. But I never played no football and

2844
02:42:00,800 --> 02:42:03,959
Speaker 12: no team anything. But my attitude at that time was as.

2845
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:06,040
Speaker 5: Big as that ball is. I should be able to

2846
02:42:06,120 --> 02:42:06,400
Speaker 5: catch it.

2847
02:42:07,320 --> 02:42:09,640
Speaker 12: But it's not as that ball is very elusive for

2848
02:42:09,720 --> 02:42:12,440
Speaker 12: individuals that don't have the skills to catch it. So

2849
02:42:12,600 --> 02:42:15,800
Speaker 12: when I went into football, I went into football with

2850
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:18,640
Speaker 12: the ideas that I would be pretty secure in that.

2851
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:23,520
Speaker 12: But what happened was I was running with mister Irv Hall.

2852
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:26,200
Speaker 12: He was like a player coach at the time for

2853
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:30,080
Speaker 12: the Philadelphia Eagles, and I was running the curl pattent. Now,

2854
02:42:30,400 --> 02:42:33,200
Speaker 12: running on the grass, it's a lot different than running

2855
02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:36,800
Speaker 12: on grass and then running on astro turf and ran

2856
02:42:36,879 --> 02:42:40,879
Speaker 12: on after turf. This particular practice there removed the grass

2857
02:42:41,000 --> 02:42:43,400
Speaker 12: and put the astro turf in the stadium. So when

2858
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:46,000
Speaker 12: I got in there and running the curl patton as

2859
02:42:46,040 --> 02:42:49,360
Speaker 12: I would normally run on dirt, he threw the ball

2860
02:42:49,560 --> 02:42:51,360
Speaker 12: no off to the left, and when I went to

2861
02:42:52,360 --> 02:42:54,000
Speaker 12: excuse me, he threw it to the right. And when

2862
02:42:54,040 --> 02:42:57,720
Speaker 12: I went to to catch the ball and stretch like

2863
02:42:57,879 --> 02:43:01,280
Speaker 12: my foot would normally drag in the grass, but when

2864
02:43:01,360 --> 02:43:04,000
Speaker 12: the locked in that after turfy didn't grab. So just

2865
02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:06,480
Speaker 12: as I'm stretching to kiss the ball, I heard some

2866
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:10,280
Speaker 12: said pop pop, And when it popped, I didn't know

2867
02:43:10,320 --> 02:43:12,080
Speaker 12: what it was, but I noticed the next day that

2868
02:43:12,200 --> 02:43:15,080
Speaker 12: my leg kept jumping out of socket, and then then

2869
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:18,320
Speaker 12: they told me that I told my ligament. And from

2870
02:43:18,360 --> 02:43:20,800
Speaker 12: that point on it was downhill, you know, to the

2871
02:43:20,879 --> 02:43:23,320
Speaker 12: point where I had to go in and have major surgery.

2872
02:43:23,440 --> 02:43:26,440
Speaker 12: I was off for some period of time. I didn't

2873
02:43:26,480 --> 02:43:28,000
Speaker 12: know whether I would be able to come back and

2874
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:32,039
Speaker 12: run again much more I walk. But uh, everything turned

2875
02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:35,320
Speaker 12: out well for itself. But I think as a result,

2876
02:43:35,480 --> 02:43:38,200
Speaker 12: nine eighty years old, I'm starting to get residue from

2877
02:43:38,280 --> 02:43:43,160
Speaker 12: that particular injury now. So that's pretty much why I

2878
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:47,560
Speaker 12: didn't make the football debut that I would like.

2879
02:43:47,640 --> 02:43:52,280
Speaker 1: To cuty minutes after. That's top that. Yeah, thank you,

2880
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:55,240
Speaker 1: doctor John Cosses. I guess John Collison, Tommy Smith. Of

2881
02:43:55,240 --> 02:43:57,720
Speaker 1: those of you who've got some mile behind you may

2882
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:00,080
Speaker 1: recall the six yeight Olympics, one of the great this

2883
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:02,280
Speaker 1: Olympics out there, and the turbulence that was going on

2884
02:44:02,360 --> 02:44:04,839
Speaker 1: in the country at that time. We talked about assassinations,

2885
02:44:05,240 --> 02:44:08,280
Speaker 1: we talked about the Vietnam War and riots as well

2886
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:11,640
Speaker 1: in the streets at the long hot summers they used

2887
02:44:11,640 --> 02:44:14,000
Speaker 1: to call them. But John, to take us back, because

2888
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:16,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned that the town that you recognize, the town

2889
02:44:16,879 --> 02:44:19,520
Speaker 1: that you have as a track an athlete was given

2890
02:44:19,560 --> 02:44:22,960
Speaker 1: from God? What, what age? And what when did you

2891
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:25,240
Speaker 1: figure out that? You know, I'm pretty good at running?

2892
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:27,400
Speaker 1: When did you figure this out? At what age?

2893
02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:30,120
Speaker 12: Well, let me just take before I lead up to that.

2894
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:34,600
Speaker 12: My first love athletics were swimming. I want to swim

2895
02:44:34,680 --> 02:44:37,840
Speaker 12: the English Channel. I heard some women swimming the English

2896
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:40,199
Speaker 12: channel as a kid on the radio. What's the English channel?

2897
02:44:40,280 --> 02:44:40,440
Speaker 4: Dad?

2898
02:44:40,480 --> 02:44:41,800
Speaker 5: I want to swim the English Channel?

2899
02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:44,440
Speaker 12: And then my father told me one day, she was

2900
02:44:44,480 --> 02:44:47,320
Speaker 12: somewhere would you train? You know, you you got to

2901
02:44:47,360 --> 02:44:48,480
Speaker 12: train three times a day.

2902
02:44:49,160 --> 02:44:49,840
Speaker 5: What would you train?

2903
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:51,720
Speaker 12: You said, you can't go to the public pool with

2904
02:44:51,800 --> 02:44:54,240
Speaker 12: everybody trying to cool off in there. You can't train there.

2905
02:44:54,760 --> 02:44:56,480
Speaker 12: You said, you can't go to the hollow river and

2906
02:44:56,560 --> 02:44:58,600
Speaker 12: swim the river because everybody's.

2907
02:44:58,520 --> 02:45:00,520
Speaker 5: Drowning in there. You train?

2908
02:45:02,040 --> 02:45:04,880
Speaker 12: So then I had to find another one. So I

2909
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:07,360
Speaker 12: moved up to boxing. I was a pretty good golden

2910
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:08,560
Speaker 12: gloves boxes.

2911
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:09,560
Speaker 13: At the early age.

2912
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:11,720
Speaker 12: And when the guy told me I was good enough

2913
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:13,600
Speaker 12: to go pro and I had to go home and

2914
02:45:13,640 --> 02:45:15,600
Speaker 12: get my parents to sign off on it. My mother

2915
02:45:15,680 --> 02:45:18,200
Speaker 12: stopped me. He told me, said, no, I'll give my

2916
02:45:18,360 --> 02:45:20,440
Speaker 12: youngest son, I'll never let them break up your face.

2917
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:22,920
Speaker 12: I never signed the paper, so.

2918
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,880
Speaker 5: Then I had to leave those two behind.

2919
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:30,360
Speaker 12: And I at one point or another looked at the

2920
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:33,240
Speaker 12: poverty in my neighborhood and the people didn't had no

2921
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:37,039
Speaker 12: food or less food than their cabinets. And I saw

2922
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:39,760
Speaker 12: this guy named Robin Hood on TV about him, you know,

2923
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:43,000
Speaker 12: telling the sheriff from Nottingham, you got yours and when

2924
02:45:43,000 --> 02:45:45,480
Speaker 12: you come through the forest, this is my turf and

2925
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:48,880
Speaker 12: you had to pay a terror. Well over there in

2926
02:45:48,959 --> 02:45:52,800
Speaker 12: front of the by was saying in front of the prison,

2927
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:56,360
Speaker 12: the jail. Over there in the bronx. Down below was

2928
02:45:56,360 --> 02:46:00,240
Speaker 12: the freight trains. So we went to investigate and we

2929
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:03,040
Speaker 12: discovered they had food, the same food that people did

2930
02:46:03,160 --> 02:46:05,959
Speaker 12: not have to eat, so we started taking boxes food

2931
02:46:06,040 --> 02:46:10,080
Speaker 12: out the train well. There was two black detectives, mister

2932
02:46:10,160 --> 02:46:11,440
Speaker 12: Brian and mister Lester.

2933
02:46:12,440 --> 02:46:13,400
Speaker 5: They used to chase us.

2934
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:15,959
Speaker 12: They could never catch me. They would catch my partners,

2935
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:19,240
Speaker 12: but they can never catch me, so I thought. But

2936
02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:22,440
Speaker 12: it realized one day that they didn't have to catch

2937
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:25,760
Speaker 12: me physically. All they had to do was catch me visifually,

2938
02:46:25,879 --> 02:46:27,400
Speaker 12: and then they could walk up from me and put

2939
02:46:27,440 --> 02:46:30,039
Speaker 12: his head on my shoulder one day, and that's exactly

2940
02:46:30,120 --> 02:46:33,080
Speaker 12: what they did. And they caught me over there at

2941
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:36,320
Speaker 12: mccoon's Park where the new Yankee Stadium is built today,

2942
02:46:37,440 --> 02:46:42,640
Speaker 12: and mister Lesler told mister Brian. Mister Brian told me, said, Leslie,

2943
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:45,160
Speaker 12: he can go on and tell him. And they said

2944
02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:47,480
Speaker 12: to me, said you have a talent. And I said,

2945
02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:50,200
Speaker 12: what talent is that? And he said you were running.

2946
02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:52,360
Speaker 12: When I said I was a run, I kind of smirked,

2947
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:54,680
Speaker 12: you know, and mister Brian smacked me upside of my head.

2948
02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:58,000
Speaker 12: Don't you have a disrespect mister Lester. I'm not disrespecting

2949
02:46:58,040 --> 02:47:02,120
Speaker 12: mister Lester. He said, I'm a runner. Everyone in the neighborhood.

2950
02:47:01,640 --> 02:47:02,200
Speaker 5: As a runner.

2951
02:47:03,160 --> 02:47:04,800
Speaker 12: And when I said that, I said that with the

2952
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:07,760
Speaker 12: thought of my mother in mind, because kids used to

2953
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:11,920
Speaker 12: have a tendency back in the early fifties, I mean

2954
02:47:12,440 --> 02:47:17,039
Speaker 12: mid fifties to late fifties, early sixties. Black kids didn't

2955
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:18,560
Speaker 12: have jobs. A lot of them used to snatch a

2956
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:22,720
Speaker 12: purse and run. And my mother went to work. She

2957
02:47:22,879 --> 02:47:24,560
Speaker 12: was a nurse at Bellevue and she went to work

2958
02:47:24,680 --> 02:47:28,000
Speaker 12: this particular night and she came back home from work

2959
02:47:28,440 --> 02:47:31,200
Speaker 12: because someone had snatched her person, legs and bleeding and

2960
02:47:31,320 --> 02:47:34,920
Speaker 12: so forth, and my father said, what happened to me?

2961
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:37,240
Speaker 12: Somebody snatched my person? Well, my father got up to see,

2962
02:47:37,320 --> 02:47:39,119
Speaker 12: my brothers got up, said we're going to find this dude.

2963
02:47:39,160 --> 02:47:41,160
Speaker 12: We're going to find this dude. And my mother said,

2964
02:47:41,280 --> 02:47:43,160
Speaker 12: all right, I need some cure cone now then I'll

2965
02:47:43,160 --> 02:47:45,200
Speaker 12: be all right. He said, well, we're going to get

2966
02:47:45,240 --> 02:47:48,400
Speaker 12: your price. My mother said, I got my purse. How'd

2967
02:47:48,440 --> 02:47:50,640
Speaker 12: you get your purse? I ran him down and got

2968
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:53,720
Speaker 12: my purse. So that was in my mind in terms

2969
02:47:53,720 --> 02:47:56,320
Speaker 12: of my mother being a running all the kids running,

2970
02:47:56,520 --> 02:47:58,880
Speaker 12: ain't no big thing about me being no runner. And

2971
02:47:58,959 --> 02:48:02,160
Speaker 12: then they told me, said no, you're special, and they

2972
02:48:02,280 --> 02:48:04,680
Speaker 12: had me get on the track and run, and actually

2973
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 12: forgot about me. So when I went into running track

2974
02:48:07,959 --> 02:48:09,440
Speaker 12: and I went, they gave me a number to the

2975
02:48:09,480 --> 02:48:11,880
Speaker 12: New York Pioneer Club. I went in there and they

2976
02:48:11,959 --> 02:48:14,640
Speaker 12: asked me will I run, and I told him I'm

2977
02:48:14,680 --> 02:48:17,880
Speaker 12: a distance run. So when I first started running track,

2978
02:48:17,959 --> 02:48:21,400
Speaker 12: I started out as a mala because I didn't know

2979
02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:24,240
Speaker 12: the difference in running sprints. And they just told me

2980
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:25,840
Speaker 12: to get in the track and run. That's what I did.

2981
02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:29,400
Speaker 12: But then once I got into it and saw what

2982
02:48:29,480 --> 02:48:32,440
Speaker 12: it was all about, I liked the sprints because it

2983
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:35,000
Speaker 12: was more of a challenge, and the girls like the sprints,

2984
02:48:35,440 --> 02:48:38,360
Speaker 12: so I wanted to convert to a sprinter. And I

2985
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:40,880
Speaker 12: remember telling my coach man, I could beat those guys,

2986
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:42,720
Speaker 12: and he's telling me, said you a mile and well

2987
02:48:42,760 --> 02:48:44,520
Speaker 12: he told me you can beat them. And I had

2988
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:45,840
Speaker 12: to get to the point where I told her because

2989
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:47,480
Speaker 12: if you don't let me run the hundred, I'm not

2990
02:48:47,480 --> 02:48:50,200
Speaker 12: gonna run them. Well, I quit the team. So you know,

2991
02:48:50,360 --> 02:48:51,800
Speaker 12: shut you up. They're gonna put you in and let

2992
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:55,680
Speaker 12: you embarrass yourself. But unfortunately leave for the coach, I

2993
02:48:55,879 --> 02:48:59,040
Speaker 12: didn't embarrass myself. I made it an a waiting for

2994
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:02,120
Speaker 12: him as well others because I turned out to be

2995
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:03,560
Speaker 12: a fairly good sprinter at that time.

2996
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then back then it was the one hundred

2997
02:49:07,800 --> 02:49:10,560
Speaker 1: yards and the two twenty I think yards as well,

2998
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:11,680
Speaker 1: as they changed.

2999
02:49:11,480 --> 02:49:13,560
Speaker 5: It with yards at that time. Correct.

3000
02:49:14,280 --> 02:49:16,400
Speaker 12: You know it's funny, you know you say that because

3001
02:49:17,320 --> 02:49:19,879
Speaker 12: you know, back at that time, man, everything was yards

3002
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:22,959
Speaker 12: until you went to the Olympic Games. That's why when

3003
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:26,160
Speaker 12: we was at Mexico City and Bob Beaman made his

3004
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:30,840
Speaker 12: extraordinary jump. Everybody in the booth was excited, but Tommy

3005
02:49:30,840 --> 02:49:35,000
Speaker 12: and I and we couldn't understand why it was so excited.

3006
02:49:35,360 --> 02:49:37,120
Speaker 12: We knew that Bob it broke the world record, but

3007
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:39,560
Speaker 12: we didn't know the distance because it was in metrics.

3008
02:49:40,360 --> 02:49:42,000
Speaker 12: And then they came and told us saying, oh, you

3009
02:49:42,120 --> 02:49:43,879
Speaker 12: guys don't know, and they broke it down and let

3010
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:46,280
Speaker 12: us know how far he had jumped. We didn't know

3011
02:49:46,400 --> 02:49:49,200
Speaker 12: anything about the metric system because we were running on

3012
02:49:49,440 --> 02:49:52,600
Speaker 12: yards up until the Olympic Games. That's the only time

3013
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,680
Speaker 12: we converted to the metric system at that time.

3014
02:49:55,959 --> 02:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the country still hasn't converred it fully to

3015
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:00,400
Speaker 1: the metric system. I think we're the only country it's

3016
02:50:00,480 --> 02:50:03,240
Speaker 1: not on the metric system in the entire world. But

3017
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:05,160
Speaker 1: we're car up for a break. I want to come

3018
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:07,120
Speaker 1: back and ask you, though, because you started on New

3019
02:50:07,240 --> 02:50:09,720
Speaker 1: York in the Bronx running, decided to get into track,

3020
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:12,760
Speaker 1: but somehow you found your way to San Jose. Tell

3021
02:50:12,840 --> 02:50:14,680
Speaker 1: us what happened in San Jose. Because I'm in the

3022
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:18,160
Speaker 1: Bay here. That's the bastion of resistance there with the

3023
02:50:18,200 --> 02:50:20,120
Speaker 1: Black Panthers and all of that. I want to know,

3024
02:50:20,440 --> 02:50:23,760
Speaker 1: you know Harry Edwards, I don't know if you had

3025
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:26,240
Speaker 1: contact with him, because he was out there consulting a

3026
02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 1: lot of the athletes, with a lot of the black athletes.

3027
02:50:28,520 --> 02:50:30,040
Speaker 1: So I want to hear about that when we come back.

3028
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:33,000
Speaker 1: And brother and coach in Chicago has a question for you. Family,

3029
02:50:33,080 --> 02:50:36,680
Speaker 1: YouTube can join our conversation with John Carlis, the doctor

3030
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:39,640
Speaker 1: John Collis with the Olympian from the sixty eight Olympics.

3031
02:50:39,720 --> 02:50:41,440
Speaker 1: You don't how to reach us eight hundred and four

3032
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:44,440
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'm going to

3033
02:50:44,440 --> 02:50:47,199
Speaker 1: take the phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

3034
02:50:47,240 --> 02:50:48,840
Speaker 1: to just staying with us on this Wednesday morning with

3035
02:50:48,920 --> 02:50:50,840
Speaker 1: our guest, the doctor John Callis, and some of you

3036
02:50:51,000 --> 02:50:54,040
Speaker 1: know followed track and field, and you know you've seen

3037
02:50:54,080 --> 02:50:57,040
Speaker 1: the pictures, the iconic picture of John Colson Thomas Smith

3038
02:50:57,080 --> 02:50:59,320
Speaker 1: after on the metal stand at the sixty eight Olympic

3039
02:50:59,360 --> 02:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Games in Mexico City and the brothers threw up the fist,

3040
02:51:02,360 --> 02:51:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, in Salidarda with the rest of us who

3041
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:08,080
Speaker 1: are quote unquote suffering on this side, and they got

3042
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:09,760
Speaker 1: kicked out of the games for it. This is something

3043
02:51:09,800 --> 02:51:11,800
Speaker 1: that you trained for. This is what you wish for

3044
02:51:11,959 --> 02:51:14,760
Speaker 1: all you and you actually win and then you do

3045
02:51:14,920 --> 02:51:18,520
Speaker 1: that and they you know, basically they told every bunch

3046
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:20,560
Speaker 1: of as you mentioned was in charge of the US

3047
02:51:20,600 --> 02:51:22,800
Speaker 1: Olympic team at the time, and told them the disgrace

3048
02:51:22,920 --> 02:51:24,440
Speaker 1: to the country and you know, made them do the

3049
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:26,680
Speaker 1: purple walk with their gear, kicking them out of the

3050
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Olympic village. We at least here today. He made it

3051
02:51:29,240 --> 02:51:31,200
Speaker 1: through all of that, and he did for us. You

3052
02:51:31,240 --> 02:51:33,200
Speaker 1: want to join this discussion eight hundred and four or

3053
02:51:33,240 --> 02:51:36,920
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. Brother and Cosy's calling

3054
02:51:37,000 --> 02:51:39,000
Speaker 1: from Chicago. Has a question for e is online one

3055
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Grand Rios and Brother and Kosi with John Collis.

3056
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:49,480
Speaker 5: And Gumbo Brothers is always a pleasure. I had a

3057
02:51:49,640 --> 02:51:56,240
Speaker 5: chance to come up with you doctor about a year

3058
02:51:56,240 --> 02:52:02,880
Speaker 5: and a half ago, and what you is UH really

3059
02:52:03,240 --> 02:52:05,320
Speaker 5: put a lot of pride in a lot of people

3060
02:52:06,040 --> 02:52:08,840
Speaker 5: back in that day and it still lasts to this day.

3061
02:52:09,400 --> 02:52:12,160
Speaker 5: That's why I'm happy that I could communicate with you.

3062
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:16,480
Speaker 5: What I wanted to know was, Uh, there were messages

3063
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:21,240
Speaker 5: from other people, UH, some strong, some not so strong,

3064
02:52:21,440 --> 02:52:26,400
Speaker 5: like Jesse Owns and Hall Washington and then Muhammad al

3065
02:52:26,480 --> 02:52:31,959
Speaker 5: la Colin kompernyd, are you aware of anyone by documentation

3066
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:39,680
Speaker 5: or conglomeration in any way documenting or conglomerating the messages

3067
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:43,480
Speaker 5: that all you athletes, uh, that have made us so

3068
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:44,240
Speaker 5: proud of.

3069
02:52:46,520 --> 02:52:50,520
Speaker 12: No, they've never never put them all together. Like like

3070
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:54,240
Speaker 12: I stated earlier, everything that we do is like spotted.

3071
02:52:54,520 --> 02:52:56,959
Speaker 12: You know you should you think about jack Johnson's Are

3072
02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:00,600
Speaker 12: you think about Paul Rovisin's r you think by Jackie

3073
02:53:00,680 --> 02:53:06,280
Speaker 12: Robinson's or the roy Kevanella we spread out like fact,

3074
02:53:06,360 --> 02:53:10,199
Speaker 12: visit in the movie industry. You know how many actors

3075
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:14,039
Speaker 12: black actors out there? When Sidney Poitier was there. Okay,

3076
02:53:14,400 --> 02:53:16,080
Speaker 12: like you sit back, you said, the know that actor

3077
02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:20,000
Speaker 12: we have now would say is Inzel Washington. And then

3078
02:53:20,040 --> 02:53:22,080
Speaker 12: the guy that stay up to take his place right

3079
02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:26,240
Speaker 12: now would be Michael Jordan. U Michael, not Michael Jordan's

3080
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:27,240
Speaker 12: basketball player.

3081
02:53:27,080 --> 02:53:27,920
Speaker 5: But the actor.

3082
02:53:28,480 --> 02:53:31,640
Speaker 12: So what I'm saying is we've always been there, but

3083
02:53:31,800 --> 02:53:35,080
Speaker 12: no one has really done anything in terms of compressing

3084
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:38,680
Speaker 12: us and putting us all together as as that machinery

3085
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:41,760
Speaker 12: and stand we've been We've been fighting for equality, man,

3086
02:53:41,879 --> 02:53:42,680
Speaker 12: for a long time.

3087
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:51,000
Speaker 5: To athletics, true well Sante brother, and keep on keeping on.

3088
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:53,720
Speaker 5: Thanks my man. I appreciate you much.

3089
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:54,240
Speaker 8: Love to you.

3090
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:57,360
Speaker 1: All right, you're sixteen away from the top there, brother,

3091
02:53:57,600 --> 02:54:00,280
Speaker 1: he's checking it. He's in Bedstein, Brooklyn. He's on to

3092
02:54:00,520 --> 02:54:03,599
Speaker 1: grand rising brother. Shaheed. You I went doctor John callis.

3093
02:54:05,879 --> 02:54:07,400
Speaker 5: Great rising, great rising brother.

3094
02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:09,800
Speaker 13: Uh can you hear me?

3095
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm brother, sure? Can you get closer to that phone?

3096
02:54:12,040 --> 02:54:16,240
Speaker 1: Sound sounds like you in a vacuum every now. Yeah,

3097
02:54:16,280 --> 02:54:16,800
Speaker 1: that's much.

3098
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:23,200
Speaker 13: Better, okay, brother John, Yes, sir, I wanted to let

3099
02:54:23,280 --> 02:54:25,840
Speaker 13: you know. You and I went to machine and metals

3100
02:54:25,959 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 13: trade at the same time.

3101
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:29,160
Speaker 5: Brother and man.

3102
02:54:30,959 --> 02:54:31,640
Speaker 13: That's right, m E.

3103
02:54:31,720 --> 02:54:31,920
Speaker 12: Mt.

3104
02:54:32,320 --> 02:54:33,199
Speaker 5: Marilyn Monroe.

3105
02:54:33,720 --> 02:54:35,440
Speaker 8: You know what that last one was.

3106
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:39,119
Speaker 12: Here's a really loved brother.

3107
02:54:42,400 --> 02:54:44,840
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, listen listen.

3108
02:54:45,400 --> 02:54:45,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

3109
02:54:46,080 --> 02:54:49,680
Speaker 13: I always saw you with your tracks track shoes around

3110
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:50,280
Speaker 13: your neck.

3111
02:54:50,360 --> 02:54:51,080
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

3112
02:54:51,959 --> 02:54:55,000
Speaker 13: So you remember when I saw it? Yes, I do, brother,

3113
02:54:55,680 --> 02:54:58,320
Speaker 13: I love you. You came to you came to Brooklyn

3114
02:54:58,520 --> 02:55:03,200
Speaker 13: and visited the December Toy movement at our base. I

3115
02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:07,840
Speaker 13: knew that I missed that man. And uh, the comrades

3116
02:55:07,879 --> 02:55:09,640
Speaker 13: there are always talking about you.

3117
02:55:10,200 --> 02:55:10,440
Speaker 4: Man.

3118
02:55:10,680 --> 02:55:12,240
Speaker 13: When are you coming back to New York?

3119
02:55:12,280 --> 02:55:13,480
Speaker 5: Can give us another visit.

3120
02:55:14,760 --> 02:55:16,640
Speaker 12: Oh man, you need to get back to see when

3121
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:18,720
Speaker 12: I'm invited back to do some work, man, and be

3122
02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:21,840
Speaker 12: honest with you. And right now and the complexity of

3123
02:55:22,280 --> 02:55:25,200
Speaker 12: America right now, it's difficult for anybody to think that

3124
02:55:25,320 --> 02:55:27,440
Speaker 12: anybody that's standing up for the cause, they're gonna let

3125
02:55:27,480 --> 02:55:30,200
Speaker 12: you come in. And everything is shut down pretty much

3126
02:55:30,280 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 12: right now.

3127
02:55:31,320 --> 02:55:32,120
Speaker 4: I had it, Yo.

3128
02:55:32,320 --> 02:55:37,480
Speaker 13: Man, you stay strong brother, as you always were and

3129
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:43,760
Speaker 13: and have been. Stay strong and hang up and keep talking.

3130
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:43,959
Speaker 15: Brother.

3131
02:55:44,040 --> 02:55:45,880
Speaker 12: Let me tell you something. This, this with the creed,

3132
02:55:45,959 --> 02:55:48,000
Speaker 12: this with the This is what the Creator send me

3133
02:55:48,080 --> 02:55:50,000
Speaker 12: to this earth for man to be who I am

3134
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:52,680
Speaker 12: and do the things that I do. You know, a

3135
02:55:52,760 --> 02:55:54,560
Speaker 12: lot of people say, man, you wasn't want to live

3136
02:55:54,640 --> 02:55:56,400
Speaker 12: this long. I tell myself, I'm gonna live as long

3137
02:55:56,440 --> 02:55:57,120
Speaker 12: as he choose to.

3138
02:55:57,160 --> 02:55:57,680
Speaker 5: Let me live.

3139
02:55:57,959 --> 02:55:59,560
Speaker 12: And I say he's gonna let me live until he

3140
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:03,680
Speaker 12: fell out completed my mission. You know, my thing is

3141
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:07,000
Speaker 12: if I got to flock or feel of people to

3142
02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:10,000
Speaker 12: talk to, I'm not concerned about gravitating the whole feel

3143
02:56:10,320 --> 02:56:12,800
Speaker 12: because I know if I gravitate one that one person

3144
02:56:12,879 --> 02:56:14,240
Speaker 12: could change the course of history.

3145
02:56:15,320 --> 02:56:22,120
Speaker 5: Get you, that's right, that's right, thanks, brother. Look what Look,

3146
02:56:22,160 --> 02:56:26,800
Speaker 5: what happened to Malcolm heat changed his dude, that's right.

3147
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:29,680
Speaker 13: I love you, stay strong and I wish your wife

3148
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:31,560
Speaker 13: a speedy recovery.

3149
02:56:32,320 --> 02:56:33,000
Speaker 5: Thank you, my man.

3150
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:36,600
Speaker 12: I appreciate that, man, and listen m MT. Stay strong, brother.

3151
02:56:39,879 --> 02:56:44,440
Speaker 1: Right and listen family. But what John and Thomas Smith did,

3152
02:56:44,800 --> 02:56:46,960
Speaker 1: this is lit is what we saw it back then.

3153
02:56:47,080 --> 02:56:49,480
Speaker 1: It was an example for all of us black people

3154
02:56:50,440 --> 02:56:53,680
Speaker 1: to stay united and still protest and not be not

3155
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:56,760
Speaker 1: be coward. You know the brother Shah he sort of

3156
02:56:56,800 --> 02:57:00,520
Speaker 1: mentioned that the pride that we had when we saw

3157
02:57:00,600 --> 02:57:02,720
Speaker 1: you guys on TV and you know, washing Black and

3158
02:57:02,760 --> 02:57:05,640
Speaker 1: White TV and the brothers did what we go whoa.

3159
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, we were behind you guys the whole way

3160
02:57:11,440 --> 02:57:14,800
Speaker 1: when you did what you did. And I think what

3161
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:18,119
Speaker 1: Brother Sheeter saying, that's for all of us. Whatever whatever

3162
02:57:18,200 --> 02:57:21,560
Speaker 1: we do, your banker, baker, your customer clerk, whatever, a

3163
02:57:21,640 --> 02:57:24,880
Speaker 1: teacher or student, be proud of who you are and

3164
02:57:25,000 --> 02:57:27,880
Speaker 1: stand up for black people. That's how we interpreted what

3165
02:57:28,040 --> 02:57:29,240
Speaker 1: you and Tommy Smith did.

3166
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:31,560
Speaker 12: Your thoughts well, you know a lot I tell a

3167
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:33,040
Speaker 12: lot of people to say, Man, when I was on

3168
02:57:33,160 --> 02:57:35,800
Speaker 12: that victory stand, I wasn't there by myself I'll still

3169
02:57:35,879 --> 02:57:38,840
Speaker 12: with everyone that stands with me today. The only difference

3170
02:57:38,959 --> 02:57:41,040
Speaker 12: is I was a symbol that was on the stand.

3171
02:57:41,320 --> 02:57:44,400
Speaker 12: But spiritually there was so many more individuals in this

3172
02:57:44,600 --> 02:57:46,560
Speaker 12: life than I lived. There was there on that stand

3173
02:57:46,640 --> 02:57:49,280
Speaker 12: with me an understood and appreciated what was taking place.

3174
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:52,920
Speaker 1: So true. Let me ask you this though, a twelve

3175
02:57:52,959 --> 02:57:55,760
Speaker 1: away from the top. Did you ever have a conversation

3176
02:57:55,879 --> 02:57:58,840
Speaker 1: with Kaepernick? Did you explain to him what he would

3177
02:57:59,160 --> 02:58:01,440
Speaker 1: was going through after what he did what he did?

3178
02:58:02,360 --> 02:58:05,280
Speaker 12: Well, I did have an opportunity to talk with Kaepernet,

3179
02:58:05,400 --> 02:58:08,720
Speaker 12: you know, and told me that I was his biggest fan.

3180
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:09,640
Speaker 15: Uh.

3181
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:11,520
Speaker 12: You know, I had a lot of respect for him,

3182
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:15,360
Speaker 12: and and I was kind of dismayed the fact that,

3183
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:18,680
Speaker 12: you know, he took the money and then he wore

3184
02:58:18,800 --> 02:58:20,280
Speaker 12: it down, one of the things down.

3185
02:58:20,360 --> 02:58:20,520
Speaker 5: You know.

3186
02:58:20,600 --> 02:58:22,960
Speaker 12: It's like it was almost like, let me make the money,

3187
02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:25,879
Speaker 12: you know. Uh, I don't see him out there really

3188
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:29,440
Speaker 12: beating the streets in terms of trying to keep hope alive.

3189
02:58:29,640 --> 02:58:33,160
Speaker 12: You might say, Okay, so I'm I'm kind of disenchanted

3190
02:58:33,200 --> 02:58:35,560
Speaker 12: with him, but I respect him for stepping up when

3191
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:36,320
Speaker 12: he did step up.

3192
02:58:38,080 --> 02:58:41,000
Speaker 1: How about the time when Ali did Ali reach out

3193
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:42,960
Speaker 1: to you guys after what happened, because he's too was

3194
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:44,119
Speaker 1: going through his issues.

3195
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:46,560
Speaker 12: Ali Ali was my man.

3196
02:58:46,680 --> 02:58:46,840
Speaker 7: You know.

3197
02:58:47,560 --> 02:58:49,800
Speaker 12: I lived in Willingborough, New Jersey. He lived down there

3198
02:58:49,959 --> 02:58:52,480
Speaker 12: in uh in Cherry Hill. Let me tell you a

3199
02:58:52,520 --> 02:58:56,959
Speaker 12: little story about Ali. When we hooked up, we looked

3200
02:58:56,959 --> 02:58:58,680
Speaker 12: at one another and said, man, we got so much

3201
02:58:58,760 --> 02:59:00,760
Speaker 12: in common in terms of way people was coming there.

3202
02:59:00,760 --> 02:59:02,360
Speaker 12: I said, well, look, the only thing we could do

3203
02:59:02,440 --> 02:59:05,880
Speaker 12: is express this to young kids. So we made an

3204
02:59:05,879 --> 02:59:08,760
Speaker 12: agreement that if I was going to the school to speak,

3205
02:59:08,840 --> 02:59:11,560
Speaker 12: or if he was going to school to speak, we

3206
02:59:11,640 --> 02:59:14,400
Speaker 12: would bring one another. I said, guests, nobody knew that

3207
02:59:14,480 --> 02:59:17,400
Speaker 12: we were coming. And I remember taking it into a

3208
02:59:17,440 --> 02:59:21,320
Speaker 12: school in Jersey and I went there and I told

3209
02:59:21,360 --> 02:59:24,640
Speaker 12: the kids, I said, listen, I said. I was if

3210
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:27,560
Speaker 12: to apologize first of all of getting here late. I said,

3211
02:59:27,560 --> 02:59:29,240
Speaker 12: but when I was coming to school, man, I was

3212
02:59:29,320 --> 02:59:31,560
Speaker 12: driving and I saw this guy on the side of

3213
02:59:31,640 --> 02:59:32,240
Speaker 12: the road.

3214
02:59:32,959 --> 02:59:34,160
Speaker 5: And he looked for me to me.

3215
02:59:35,360 --> 02:59:38,200
Speaker 12: So I turned around and asked him, Man, you all right?

3216
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:40,560
Speaker 12: He said, Now, Man, my car broke down and I'm

3217
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:42,360
Speaker 12: trying to get the show and so and I said

3218
02:59:42,360 --> 02:59:44,280
Speaker 12: to him, I said, man, I'll drop you off over there,

3219
02:59:44,320 --> 02:59:45,959
Speaker 12: I said, but I got to stop it at school

3220
02:59:46,040 --> 02:59:48,560
Speaker 12: first to get his speech. If you got time, man,

3221
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:49,879
Speaker 12: you come up with me and I'll take you where

3222
02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:52,840
Speaker 12: you have to go. So he says fine. So we

3223
02:59:52,959 --> 02:59:54,720
Speaker 12: get to the school and I tell him, I say

3224
02:59:54,800 --> 02:59:56,560
Speaker 12: stay back, and when I go on the stage, I

3225
02:59:56,720 --> 02:59:59,280
Speaker 12: make my apologies to the student in the faculty, and

3226
02:59:59,440 --> 03:00:01,560
Speaker 12: I said to him, I said, listen, guys, I said,

3227
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:06,000
Speaker 12: on the way here, man, there was a friend stopped.

3228
03:00:06,680 --> 03:00:10,120
Speaker 12: He was broke down, and I think I know the guy,

3229
03:00:10,200 --> 03:00:13,320
Speaker 12: but I'm not sure. He looked familiar to me. I said,

3230
03:00:13,520 --> 03:00:15,840
Speaker 12: it's been puzzling me. I said, well, look, I brought

3231
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:18,880
Speaker 12: him here with me. I said, if anybody recognize this guy,

3232
03:00:19,400 --> 03:00:21,400
Speaker 12: let me know. And I said, I'm say, hey, man,

3233
03:00:21,480 --> 03:00:23,640
Speaker 12: come out over here, come out here, and he'll walk

3234
03:00:23,640 --> 03:00:26,360
Speaker 12: across the stage and all the few teachers everybody would

3235
03:00:26,400 --> 03:00:30,040
Speaker 12: just go crazy. But it was a strong message to

3236
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:33,480
Speaker 12: them to show that even in the fact that he

3237
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:36,119
Speaker 12: was a boxer and I'm a runner, we had unity,

3238
03:00:36,280 --> 03:00:37,720
Speaker 12: love and respect for one another.

3239
03:00:39,200 --> 03:00:42,160
Speaker 1: That's a great story there, John. But let me take

3240
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:44,680
Speaker 1: about the sixty eight after the Olympics. Did you get

3241
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:47,600
Speaker 1: pushed back from from any of the black leaders to

3242
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:50,000
Speaker 1: say that you embarrassed the black community with you and

3243
03:00:50,760 --> 03:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Tommy Smith. Did you get any of that or it

3244
03:00:53,320 --> 03:00:55,400
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent supportive of what you did?

3245
03:00:56,320 --> 03:00:59,120
Speaker 12: Well I got. I got pushed back first from a

3246
03:00:59,240 --> 03:01:04,640
Speaker 12: lot of the elderly black military people. You know, they

3247
03:01:04,760 --> 03:01:06,960
Speaker 12: used to send the letters talking about how I disgraced

3248
03:01:06,959 --> 03:01:09,080
Speaker 12: the America and how I disgraced our race and so

3249
03:01:09,240 --> 03:01:12,920
Speaker 12: forth like that, And I understood where I was coming from.

3250
03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:17,000
Speaker 12: Uh you know, for instance, like when Jesse is his

3251
03:01:17,160 --> 03:01:19,840
Speaker 12: initial thing, he felt that it was a wrong move

3252
03:01:20,360 --> 03:01:25,280
Speaker 12: until down the line they offered Jesse the.

3253
03:01:25,360 --> 03:01:29,000
Speaker 5: Road to be the grand Marshal for the Rosebowl Parade, and.

3254
03:01:29,080 --> 03:01:30,880
Speaker 12: They had me to come out there to be on

3255
03:01:30,959 --> 03:01:33,280
Speaker 12: the float with him. And I remember we went to

3256
03:01:33,360 --> 03:01:35,440
Speaker 12: the stage in the area. It must have been about

3257
03:01:35,480 --> 03:01:37,920
Speaker 12: maybe three four o'clock in the morning. It was cold,

3258
03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:40,560
Speaker 12: it was damp, it was missing. I mean, it wasn't

3259
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:43,360
Speaker 12: a sunny day or it wasn't a warm evening.

3260
03:01:43,400 --> 03:01:44,760
Speaker 5: It was just nasty.

3261
03:01:45,360 --> 03:01:47,200
Speaker 12: And when I went into the tenth and all the

3262
03:01:47,240 --> 03:01:49,280
Speaker 12: people see me like oh yeah, yeah, And I go

3263
03:01:49,360 --> 03:01:50,840
Speaker 12: in the back man in the back of the tent

3264
03:01:50,920 --> 03:01:53,320
Speaker 12: and there's Jesse sitting in the corner by herself and

3265
03:01:53,400 --> 03:01:56,000
Speaker 12: he's shaking, and the man got snot running out of

3266
03:01:56,040 --> 03:01:58,640
Speaker 12: his nose and I'm looking at him. I said, Jesse,

3267
03:01:58,760 --> 03:02:00,720
Speaker 12: did they give you a blanket? Mand us some hot

3268
03:02:00,920 --> 03:02:04,119
Speaker 12: coffee or soup or something? And he said, John, I've

3269
03:02:04,120 --> 03:02:06,560
Speaker 12: been asking. I've been asking. So I went back to

3270
03:02:06,600 --> 03:02:09,520
Speaker 12: the people that I raised came. So when I got

3271
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:12,280
Speaker 12: back to Jesse, man he had tears in his eyes

3272
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:15,119
Speaker 12: and I'm looking at him. My suit's to mind. He said, man,

3273
03:02:15,720 --> 03:02:19,560
Speaker 12: you guys will write. You guys will write. And I'm saying,

3274
03:02:19,560 --> 03:02:22,760
Speaker 12: what are you talking about? He said, man, you will

3275
03:02:22,840 --> 03:02:26,360
Speaker 12: write what you did in Mexico. And he felt bad

3276
03:02:26,400 --> 03:02:28,160
Speaker 12: and I told him, I said, Jesse, I said, listen, man,

3277
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:30,080
Speaker 12: let me tell you something. There's no need and you

3278
03:02:30,240 --> 03:02:32,800
Speaker 12: feeling bad about what you did. I said, because what

3279
03:02:32,920 --> 03:02:35,880
Speaker 12: you did you was about protecting us. I said, you

3280
03:02:36,040 --> 03:02:39,000
Speaker 12: was protecting us based on your frame of mind and

3281
03:02:39,160 --> 03:02:41,560
Speaker 12: your time's on what they would have done to us

3282
03:02:41,680 --> 03:02:43,840
Speaker 12: if we was in nineteen thirty six and did what

3283
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:47,920
Speaker 12: we did instand. I said, you knew how cruel they

3284
03:02:47,959 --> 03:02:50,200
Speaker 12: could be, and you knew that they would set us

3285
03:02:50,280 --> 03:02:51,920
Speaker 12: on fire to the point where we would never be

3286
03:02:51,959 --> 03:02:54,680
Speaker 12: able to get the jobs that we rightfully deserve or

3287
03:02:54,760 --> 03:02:57,680
Speaker 12: earn in life. We would never get the respect that

3288
03:02:57,800 --> 03:03:01,000
Speaker 12: we deserved and earned in life. You were trying to

3289
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,960
Speaker 12: protect us, I said, but now you see what it

3290
03:03:04,120 --> 03:03:07,680
Speaker 12: was really about. Then I peels on the skin back.

3291
03:03:07,800 --> 03:03:10,240
Speaker 12: Now now you see, I said, but don't have no

3292
03:03:10,440 --> 03:03:13,000
Speaker 12: disrespect for yourself. Man. I respect you and love you

3293
03:03:13,080 --> 03:03:16,480
Speaker 12: for the simple reason that you had the mindset to

3294
03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:19,280
Speaker 12: protect us because you knew how cruel this dragon was

3295
03:03:19,320 --> 03:03:23,360
Speaker 12: that we had to deal with every day. Imagine if

3296
03:03:23,400 --> 03:03:27,760
Speaker 12: I had did that in nineteen thirty six, supposed to

3297
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:28,680
Speaker 12: do it in.

3298
03:03:28,760 --> 03:03:31,640
Speaker 1: Nineteen And of course families some about Jesse Jesse Owens.

3299
03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:34,120
Speaker 1: I hope, so I hope some of you were following them.

3300
03:03:34,160 --> 03:03:36,640
Speaker 1: Was Jesse Owens and not Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson's in

3301
03:03:36,680 --> 03:03:40,440
Speaker 1: the news right now, But that was Jesse Owens, correct, correct?

3302
03:03:41,640 --> 03:03:41,760
Speaker 5: Right?

3303
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:45,520
Speaker 12: You think about you know a lot of the black

3304
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:53,920
Speaker 12: people social politically, when you say the intellectuals, a lot

3305
03:03:53,959 --> 03:03:57,400
Speaker 12: of them came out and supported, but they didn't wrap

3306
03:03:57,440 --> 03:03:58,440
Speaker 12: their arms around us.

3307
03:03:58,520 --> 03:03:58,640
Speaker 5: You know.

3308
03:03:58,680 --> 03:03:59,880
Speaker 12: It was like, you know, we were up on that

3309
03:04:00,120 --> 03:04:04,400
Speaker 12: pine tree man in the highest branch, and we felt like, man,

3310
03:04:04,520 --> 03:04:06,280
Speaker 12: we did the right thing, and we out on the

3311
03:04:06,360 --> 03:04:08,600
Speaker 12: highest branch, and all of a sudden, you hear this

3312
03:04:08,800 --> 03:04:12,440
Speaker 12: like this bus saw in the back and every arm,

3313
03:04:12,600 --> 03:04:16,800
Speaker 12: every branch underneath use is a black arm, and they

3314
03:04:17,080 --> 03:04:20,560
Speaker 12: just sawing the branch. Man, And you realize that you

3315
03:04:20,720 --> 03:04:23,720
Speaker 12: might be committing suicide because you made that statement in

3316
03:04:23,800 --> 03:04:27,640
Speaker 12: Mexico City. But when they cut the branch, I'm not concerned, man,

3317
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:30,680
Speaker 12: because there's so many black arms underneath that's gonna catch us.

3318
03:04:31,720 --> 03:04:34,600
Speaker 12: And when the branch finally broke, man, and we're thinking

3319
03:04:34,640 --> 03:04:36,760
Speaker 12: that we're gonna be caught by all people, Man, there

3320
03:04:36,879 --> 03:04:40,720
Speaker 12: was a lot of retraction and the armor were retracting.

3321
03:04:41,360 --> 03:04:44,000
Speaker 12: So man, we took that fall. And we must have

3322
03:04:44,080 --> 03:04:47,640
Speaker 12: bounced for forty some odd years just bouncing from that

3323
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:51,280
Speaker 12: height that we fell. You know, because black people, not

3324
03:04:51,440 --> 03:04:53,720
Speaker 12: that they didn't have love for us and respect for us,

3325
03:04:53,959 --> 03:04:58,440
Speaker 12: but they had the fair factor, fair of association, fear

3326
03:04:58,480 --> 03:05:01,360
Speaker 12: of being involved in a picture with you, fear just

3327
03:05:01,640 --> 03:05:05,240
Speaker 12: running because they saw the agony we had to deal

3328
03:05:05,280 --> 03:05:12,080
Speaker 12: with by making that statement. And latitude is vilitude is

3329
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:13,320
Speaker 12: no suffering, no gain.

3330
03:05:16,040 --> 03:05:18,240
Speaker 1: But that's changed right now, right John, there people are

3331
03:05:18,240 --> 03:05:21,320
Speaker 1: still people are celebrating what you did or you have

3332
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:23,080
Speaker 1: some folks you're still angry at what you did in

3333
03:05:23,160 --> 03:05:23,640
Speaker 1: sixty eight.

3334
03:05:25,120 --> 03:05:28,039
Speaker 12: Well, you know, whether they you're angry or not, it's

3335
03:05:28,120 --> 03:05:30,040
Speaker 12: still you know, been proven to be right what we

3336
03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:33,240
Speaker 12: did and it's a part of history for eternity. So

3337
03:05:33,440 --> 03:05:35,959
Speaker 12: you know, what they think about now is not about

3338
03:05:36,040 --> 03:05:37,880
Speaker 12: on me. It's time for them to look in the

3339
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:39,400
Speaker 12: mirror in terms of them looking at what.

3340
03:05:39,480 --> 03:05:41,520
Speaker 5: Are you doing? What have you done?

3341
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:43,720
Speaker 12: You know, we like to talk about what happened to

3342
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:47,039
Speaker 12: us four hundred years ago, and that submitted is already there.

3343
03:05:47,120 --> 03:05:49,600
Speaker 12: It's never gone nowhere. But the bottom line is what

3344
03:05:49,680 --> 03:05:52,200
Speaker 12: are you doing today? You want to use that as

3345
03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:54,640
Speaker 12: a crutch about what happened four hundred years ago, I'm

3346
03:05:54,680 --> 03:05:57,520
Speaker 12: not concerned about that. I'm concerned about what you're doing

3347
03:05:57,680 --> 03:05:59,760
Speaker 12: right now, what you're doing for your kids to make

3348
03:05:59,800 --> 03:06:02,560
Speaker 12: things better for them, what you're doing to see whether

3349
03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:04,560
Speaker 12: your kid is going through school or supposed to going

3350
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:05,160
Speaker 12: through school.

3351
03:06:07,440 --> 03:06:10,520
Speaker 1: Wow, John, I got to cut it there, But that's

3352
03:06:10,560 --> 03:06:12,400
Speaker 1: a great way to end it. We thank you, We

3353
03:06:12,520 --> 03:06:15,119
Speaker 1: thank you for what you do. I say hi to family,

3354
03:06:15,480 --> 03:06:17,560
Speaker 1: and again we hope everything turns out for you, and

3355
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:19,680
Speaker 1: thank you for again. I just can't tell you how

3356
03:06:19,720 --> 03:06:21,160
Speaker 1: many times I gotta say thank you for what you

3357
03:06:21,280 --> 03:06:24,360
Speaker 1: did in Mexico City back in nineteen sixty eight. John,

3358
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:26,600
Speaker 1: Are you on social media these days?

3359
03:06:27,680 --> 03:06:30,480
Speaker 12: I'm getting ready to start our podcast and the next

3360
03:06:30,800 --> 03:06:34,880
Speaker 12: couple of months. So yeah, I'm on the internet and

3361
03:06:34,920 --> 03:06:36,720
Speaker 12: all that. You know, I got some making find me.

3362
03:06:37,160 --> 03:06:40,720
Speaker 12: But anyway, man, I want to extend my love and

3363
03:06:40,840 --> 03:06:43,920
Speaker 12: my appreciation. I'miration for all the people out there has

3364
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:46,360
Speaker 12: been with me and still with me and supported me

3365
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:52,280
Speaker 12: through social, physical, moral, every energy they've sent. Tell them

3366
03:06:52,320 --> 03:06:55,240
Speaker 12: I've received it. And even at the same time, let

3367
03:06:55,280 --> 03:06:57,400
Speaker 12: me tell you I don't have no hate for my haters.

3368
03:06:58,920 --> 03:07:00,840
Speaker 12: It's about it right on, corn up, plan it.

3369
03:07:00,840 --> 03:07:05,959
Speaker 1: Out who you are? Right? Thanks? John? Stay strong, stay positive? Brother?

3370
03:07:07,160 --> 03:07:10,480
Speaker 1: You do to say all right? Family, that's doctor John

3371
03:07:10,560 --> 03:07:14,200
Speaker 1: Collis or Olympian doctor John Collis classes dismissed. Stay strong,

3372
03:07:14,280 --> 03:07:18,200
Speaker 1: stay positive, family, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,

3373
03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:21,960
Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WOLB

3374
03:07:22,360 --> 03:07:25,560
Speaker 1: and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty wol