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Speaker 1: Joela ericson joining us now on the Java House Peel

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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. He of course, from the Indianapolis Star,

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Speaker 1: the Colts beat writer, Java house dot com, the website

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Speaker 1: Jake twenty five, where you can get twenty five percent off. Joel,

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Speaker 1: I will begin with this, and that is were you

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Speaker 1: surprised by not the decision of where we are with

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Speaker 1: the Colts, but the fact that it is this quickly

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year and we already have

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea as to like no questions are left

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Speaker 1: hanging and everything's been answered. Did you think that we

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Speaker 1: would have more questions hanging in the balance at this point.

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Speaker 2: I kind of did. I kind of did think there'd

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Speaker 2: be more questions hanging in the balance. It's it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit. I think the thing that surprised me the

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Speaker 2: most was how simple the decision sounded like it was

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Speaker 2: for Curlier, Say, Gordon, you know, we talked about all

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Speaker 2: these different permutations of stuff, and you were just saying this,

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Speaker 2: you know, before you brought me in. But it really

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Speaker 2: came down to, you know, when I think back over

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Speaker 2: that press conference on Monday, it came down to, you know,

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Speaker 2: she believed she saw promise in that first eight to

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Speaker 2: ten games, and that's what she wanted to see through,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I think so I think that's one

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Speaker 2: of the things from the press conference of the day,

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Speaker 2: is we kind of you kind of go in thinking

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about all these different things, and

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Speaker 2: you know, unlike some previous owner press conferences we've had

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Speaker 2: in the past, it was very on point and very

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Speaker 3: Do you think that.

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Speaker 1: We would be having this same It's a moot point,

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Speaker 1: I guess, and there's some danger in this job. But

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Speaker 1: people have asked me, and I do think that it

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Speaker 1: is an interesting point, and that is, do you believe

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Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard and Shane Stike and got one more

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Speaker 1: opportunity that Jim Mersey would not have given?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I I think I think it's likely that Erse

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I just because I thought that I thought that

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Speaker 2: Chris Ballard was going to be gone after twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: and and to some degree I felt like it was

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Speaker 2: going to happen last year too, And so I think

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Speaker 2: I had gotten to a point where I just I

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Speaker 2: believe that Jim or Say was all in on Chris

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Speaker 2: Ballard and so that's that's that's kind of what I

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Speaker 2: would have I kind of think he would have made

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Speaker 2: the same decision.

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Speaker 3: Joel.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this. When you last

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Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're thinking about and you're

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Speaker 1: you're hoping to hear the fairy dust sounds of the

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Speaker 1: beer fairy and you realize that's not happening, and so

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're you're you're going over stuff

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Speaker 1: as you prepare to go to bed. What was out

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Speaker 1: there or what was your overriding thought about the colts

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Speaker 1: that you feel like hasn't been addressed enough? What is

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Speaker 1: the Is there anything that leaves you questioning where we

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Speaker 2: I think I think the biggest thing that maybe I

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Speaker 2: off an achilles Haeir. A huge defensive overhaul is obviously

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that maybe is left I was

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Speaker 2: I don't remember if we tried to, and it just

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Speaker 2: didn't kind of go anywhere. But the why of why

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Speaker 2: of it is interesting to me because you know, she

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Speaker 2: she actually was, I thought when I read when I

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Speaker 2: read it back, she was very clear that, you know,

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Speaker 2: she felt that he made changes that were good for

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Speaker 2: now and not the previous eight years to kind of

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Speaker 2: genesis of that is maybe the piece that I've been

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Speaker 3: The quarterback room for next year.

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Speaker 1: Joeli Erickson my guest Indianapolis stories on the Jaba House

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Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. Are there three quarterbacks right

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Speaker 1: now that are getting paychecks from the Indianapolis Colts that

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Speaker 1: will be on the roster next year in some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form.

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, And I'm gonna I'm gonna that's there's a

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Speaker 2: there's a qualifier on that, yes, because I'm going to say,

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Speaker 2: uh that Seth Hennigan is is hanging out on the practice.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you believe it to be and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to draw my own conclusion here. You believe Daniel

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Speaker 1: as the with the chance to be the backup and

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Speaker 1: then heading in your and Anthony Richardson's out. That's the

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Speaker 1: conclusion I'm drawing from what you said.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's what I That's what I'm max That's

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Speaker 2: my expectation is is the Maybe that's too strong, but

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Speaker 1: What does Anthony Richardson get on the open market? What

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Speaker 1: did they get back for him?

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Speaker 2: I think you try to get I think you try

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Speaker 2: to get what the forty nine ers got for Trey Lance,

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Speaker 2: which I would, but but I also think that most

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Speaker 2: teams go the Cowboys shouldn't have given Was it a

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Speaker 2: fourth and a sixth? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That seems rich though, right? I mean a fifth round?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean, that's what I mean. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a fourth round pick, uh for Trey Lance,

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Speaker 2: and that feels rich to me. I think the Colts

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Speaker 2: would probably be like, hey, well Trey Lance went for this,

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Joel I was thinking about this yesterday

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Speaker 1: When you look at the list of franchises, you know

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Speaker 1: it is a the one advantage here maybe, and maybe

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Speaker 1: the only advantage for the value of what you might

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Speaker 1: that literally it is It's been a long time since

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Speaker 1: I've seen a free agency pool of quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: that means that a team in need does pay a

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Speaker 2: I think it's at best. I think that the best

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Speaker 2: going to get a starting option because if you you're right,

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Speaker 2: there are not many options out there. There's not even

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Speaker 2: really there's not even really rumors of a trade. You know,

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Speaker 2: I can see right now. I don't see a ton

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Speaker 2: going to be free agents, like Malik Willis with Green Bay,

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Speaker 2: his chance is going to be someone's going to bring

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Speaker 2: more likely that he's he's ticketed for a backup and

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, here's something interesting for a Joel You

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Speaker 1: ready for this? Last time I went to the Pacer game, right,

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Speaker 1: Are you a Pacer fan?

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Speaker 3: Do you enjoy the NBA? Do you watch MBA? You

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Speaker 3: grew up in Wiscon.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed the NBA. Okay, I I My my loyalties

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Speaker 2: are weird because I I David Robinson is my favorite

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Speaker 3: I did know that, which is that's right.

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Speaker 2: Which is very strange, but I was But I I do.

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Speaker 2: I do enjoy the Pacers quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: Did you have braces as a kid?

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if that was your connection David Robinson

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Speaker 1: beautiful beautiful teeth though now it paid off Okay, here

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Speaker 1: here's why I ask. So I'm at the pacer game

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Speaker 1: And they said, that guy they just want to go

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Speaker 1: and he's incognito. He's not wearing the typical Amish gear,

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Speaker 1: but he's Amish and like and so you know, and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, that's cool. I mean, he probably has

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Speaker 1: And the fact that he has no idea what I

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Speaker 1: And then also at one point the Amish guy had

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Speaker 1: he's talking to everybody, he's making friends, and he's pedaling

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Speaker 3: Kid you not, And so he says to one guy.

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Speaker 1: One of the guys around figures out that he's Amish

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Speaker 1: because he's telling everyone he's Amish, and and so he says, well,

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Speaker 1: I've got some cabinet work I could use. I could

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Speaker 1: get done, And the Amish guy says, oh, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: phone number. Now, that also, to me struck me as

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Speaker 1: surprising that he had an iPhone, right, the Amish guy.

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Speaker 1: But my point being this, who in the NFL playoffs

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Speaker 1: is the Amish guy at a pacer game? Who's the

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Speaker 1: team in the NFL Playoffs that you're like, that's the

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Speaker 1: least likely person that I expected to see here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Carolina, Carolina. I don't know if it's just that

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Speaker 2: I haven't watched them at all, or that I've written

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Speaker 2: but I think I was saying that a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. I was like, Carolina, Carolina, Surely Carolina is

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Speaker 2: not going to end up in the playoffs, right, And

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Speaker 2: they're playing the Rams, it says, so every time I

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Speaker 2: I I think the Colts believe that. I I understand

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So back to your thoughts about John Harbaugh and the Giants.

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Speaker 2: So I had, like I said, I had, I had

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Speaker 3: Mooney Ward.

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Speaker 2: Not back.

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Speaker 3: I just and you know what, Joel, I listen.

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Speaker 1: I hope if Mooney Ward Shaverius Ward, if he and

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Speaker 2: I think I think there's definitely a possibility that that

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Speaker 2: him and Jones got along so well. Uh tungo Iloa.

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Speaker 2: The distribute, the distribution. I don't know that there's been

436
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Speaker 2: the same thing, So I would lean to UH in

437
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Speaker 2: that scenario, just because of you know, there's there's been

438
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Speaker 2: stuff out with Kyler about they put stuff in his

439
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Speaker 2: contract and you know, some some questions about his preparation

440
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Speaker 2: that that doesn't strike me as a very Shanstikeen type

441
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Speaker 2: of quarterback.

442
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Speaker 1: By the way, several people telling me that the Amish

443
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Speaker 1: shun technology and the Mennonite are open to it. Now,

444
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Speaker 1: this fella, I'm telling you he wasn't shunning technology. But

445
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Speaker 1: he also was incognito, like he kept saying over as

446
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, at one point he said like

447
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Speaker 1: three times in three SIPs of a beer that he

448
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Speaker 1: was like he was letting everyone know he was on

449
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Speaker 1: and I he was Amish.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

451
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Speaker 2: I should be able to help you here because there

452
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Speaker 2: is I believe, a Mennonite church not that far from

453
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Speaker 2: where I grew up in Wisconsin, and every Sunday at

454
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Speaker 2: six in the morning, we would hear the buggies going past,

455
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Speaker 2: and my dog losing his mind that there were horses

456
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Speaker 2: anywhere near the house. But unfortunately I never really got

457
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Speaker 2: it broken down for me. I worked at my aunt's

458
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: gas station for a while and they would come in

459
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Speaker 2: and get there, get like four Mountain dews, a package,

460
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Speaker 2: a case of cigarettes, and like beef jerkey and stuff.

461
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Speaker 2: But that's all.

462
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Speaker 3: It's my understanding. What we can draw here, Joel.

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Speaker 1: It's very simply is in Wisconsin, the difference between the

464
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Speaker 1: Amish and the Mennonite is after church service and the buggy,

465
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Speaker 1: the Mennonite then go and watch the Packer game on TV,

466
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Speaker 1: and the Amish wait for Jebediah to find out by

467
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Speaker 1: word of mouth what happened. That's the big difference. But

468
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Speaker 1: except for this outlier interloper last night that was at

469
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Speaker 1: the Pacer game swinging down beers behind me and letting

470
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Speaker 1: everybody know he's Amish and peddling his cabintry business. That's

471
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Speaker 1: that's what I can draw from this. What I know

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Speaker 1: is this, Joel. In conclusion, what I know is that

473
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Speaker 1: over the course of joining this program and the course

474
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Speaker 1: of the season, Joela Erickson does this out of the

475
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Speaker 1: good of his heart. And if you want to know

476
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Speaker 1: what kind of guy this guy is, he does all

477
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Speaker 1: of this simply in exchange for an introduction to the

478
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Speaker 1: beer Fairy and the intellectual use of expost twitter.

479
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Speaker 3: Now that is a hell of a deal, right.

480
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Speaker 2: It's it's both of those things are valuable. Though. Yeah,

481
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Speaker 2: the beer Fairy is a very very valuable friend to her.

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Speaker 3: That's that's what I hear.

483
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Speaker 1: And all I know is after a recent visit, if

484
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Speaker 1: you have too much of the beer Fairy, you find

485
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Speaker 1: yourself on the expost twitter till the wee hours of

486
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Speaker 1: the night.

487
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Speaker 2: Just be careful, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Joel, appreciate it, pleasure as always, talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: You bet we'll see Joela Ericson joining us on the program.

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Speaker 3: As we were just saying.

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Speaker 1: For the Oregon Ducks, if they plan to run away

492
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Speaker 1: from Indiana, coming up on Friday night might be a

493
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Speaker 1: challenge because that BA field going to be shorthanded due

494
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Speaker 1: to the fact that you have one player out, one

495
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Speaker 1: player in the transfer portal, two of their top three

496
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Speaker 1: rushers too, their top four rushers, I should say, over

497
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Speaker 1: the course of the year. But does Oregon offensively they

498
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Speaker 1: were not overly reliant on that in Matchup number one,

499
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Speaker 1: joining us now to break down that and more. He

500
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Speaker 1: is with the Bloomington Herald Times. He's on the Java

501
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Speaker 1: House Peel and Poor Guest line, and he is our

502
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Speaker 1: friend from Bloomington, Mike who joins us on the show.

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Speaker 3: Mike, you are already in Atlanta? Am I correct in that?

504
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Speaker 5: Yes? Okay, I am a heir on the ground.

505
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Speaker 3: Boots on the ground. I like it.

506
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Speaker 1: All right, let's begin with this, uh, for myself as

507
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: much as others, even though you know, probably safe to

508
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Speaker 1: say that many Indiana fans might have watched the game

509
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: five times over and over because at the time it

510
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Speaker 1: was the biggest win in the regular season in college football.

511
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Speaker 1: But let's go back to what happened in Eugene with

512
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Speaker 1: Indiana and Oregon and recap and refresh. Indiana won that

513
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: game because they were able to take advantage of what

514
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Speaker 1: area or stymy what area of Oregon's attack?

515
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Speaker 6: Well, I think certainly they made Dante more uncomfortable. Uh,

516
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 6: you know, they sacked him early. They secked him, I

517
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Speaker 6: think six times. I think that might have been what

518
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Speaker 6: the most all season long ended up being for the Dogs.

519
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 6: You know, allowed sex allowed, I think that it started

520
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 6: there and then you know, obviously were clutch. You know,

521
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Speaker 6: they come up to the organ, comes up with that

522
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Speaker 6: pick six. Then Indiana immediately responds uh. And you know

523
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Speaker 6: you saw that kind of continue throughout the season, that

524
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Speaker 6: Indiana became big and big moments, and obviously that was

525
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Speaker 6: you know, that followed on the heels of the eye

526
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Speaker 6: of a victory, and so you just saw things come

527
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Speaker 6: together for them sort of. You know, Mendoza has been

528
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Speaker 6: just kind of dynamite in those situations with the game

529
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Speaker 6: on the line, and then I think, you know, it

530
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Speaker 6: really was the defense set the tone in that one

531
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Speaker 6: to me, where they came out, you know, hit hit

532
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Speaker 6: Dante Moore right away early and often, and put their

533
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Speaker 6: stamp on the.

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Speaker 1: Game when you look at what Indiana is going to

535
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Speaker 1: try to do. His Kurt Signetti. One of the things

536
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Speaker 1: to me that is so brilliant about Indiana. I just

537
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: got done talking about it, Mike, and I don't mean

538
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: to overstate it or even undersell the approach from Indiana,

539
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Speaker 1: but I finally come to the conclusion that Indiana's mo

540
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Speaker 1: is they just go out and don't make mistakes, and

541
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Speaker 1: they wait for you to make a mistake and then

542
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: they pounce on it. Now, in the Oregon game first

543
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: time around, I realized they had to pick six and

544
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: they overcame that. But against Alabama, for example, they just

545
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: were so tactical. They were so tactical in the way

546
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Speaker 1: that they went about things. And so sound has Kurt

547
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Speaker 1: Signetti tipped hand at all of anything that they might

548
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Speaker 1: try to do differently against this team or are they

549
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Speaker 1: now at the point of come and get it?

550
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's going to be a chess mat

551
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 6: for it because, like you see, you know, they know

552
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 6: what Organ's gonna are trying to do or likes to do.

553
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 6: But the teams have a evolved and b there's gonna

554
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 6: be some end game like, well, you know what this

555
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 6: looks like, So we're gonna do something different, And so

556
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 6: I think there's gonna be both teams are going to

557
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 6: be doing that, tweaking things to try to throw off

558
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Speaker 6: the opposition, and that's sort of where things will get interesting.

559
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Speaker 5: I thought, to be.

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Speaker 6: Honest, in that first game, I thought Oregon got away

561
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Speaker 6: from going vertically down the field, that they were running

562
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff to the sidelines, which kind of

563
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 6: played into Indiana's hands. They're sure tackling team. They don't

564
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Speaker 6: allow a lot of breaks on screens, whereas they did

565
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 6: have a big butt in that game, but then they

566
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Speaker 6: didn't kind of go vertically again to attack them, sort

567
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Speaker 6: of deep in the second theory. I'll be interested to

568
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Speaker 6: see what tweaks. And the Organ's had some injuries at receiver.

569
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Speaker 6: They they've lost some skilled players. They're running back one

570
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Speaker 6: into the portable ones injured, So like, how does the

571
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Speaker 6: impact the game? But then and then what does their

572
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 6: game pan look like? Because I didn't think Oregon. I

573
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Speaker 6: thought Orgon kind of got out of sorts in that

574
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Speaker 6: game a second because of the pressure, but didn't sort

575
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Speaker 6: of do the things that I thought they could have

576
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Speaker 6: taken advantage of kind of when you saw, you know,

577
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 6: they did have the cause of break in the secondary,

578
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 6: didn't follow up in that.

579
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Mike, not on your end, but

580
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I think on our end. But we got a little

581
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Speaker 1: connectivity issue, so I appreciate it. I'll let you get

582
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: over to the Varsity in Atlanta and get yourself a burger,

583
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and we'll try to reconnect here just a couple of minutes.

584
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Speaker 1: See if we can catch back up with Mike Nisilik,

585
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: my apologies on it, and get a better feel and

586
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Speaker 1: be able to catch up with Mike, and from that

587
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: standpoint of what Indiana and Oregon want to look at.

588
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: It's a massive game, obviously, and there is so much

589
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: at stake. It goes without saying the National Championship game

590
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: going to Miami. It still is the one thing. And

591
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Speaker 1: I don't think that for the football team this is

592
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: going to be an issue. But if there was something

593
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Speaker 1: that I were to nippick or express as any element

594
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Speaker 1: of concern, it would simply be this. It is hard,

595
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Speaker 1: sometimes odd as it may sound, to replicate when you

596
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody has gone to a great party or

597
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: had a great moment. And we'll bring Mike in here

598
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and see if this works better. And I'll make this point,

599
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Speaker 1: Mike the one thing. And I don't know that this

600
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Speaker 1: translates to the roster. I want you to tell me

601
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Speaker 1: if it's if I'm being too analytical and my concern,

602
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: if you will. The Rose Bowl was so fantastic. There

603
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: were so many Indiana fans out there. They overtook the

604
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: bars of Santa Monica, they overtook the restaurants in Pasadena.

605
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: They were in the hotel till three o'clock in the

606
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: morning going crazy. The team, I know, came back because

607
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: they had portal, people to talk to and everything else.

608
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: But there was so much anticipation, celebration, an investment emotionally

609
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl that I wonder if that doesn't

610
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Speaker 1: then lend itself towards the potential for like this letdown

611
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: for the Peach Bowl. And I'm not saying the players

612
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: aren't the ones that were involved in all of that,

613
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: but so much was made of the Rose Bowl that

614
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: there is almost this element of like, man, I mean

615
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: you almost forget now, you know, two more games, et cetera.

616
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: Is there any risk or has there been any preach

617
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: by Kurt Signetti of the danger of letdown?

618
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's always for that, I think to me,

619
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: to be honest, Like, it felt like the celebration and

620
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 5: the was bigger for the Big Ten title game, even

621
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Speaker 5: though the presence of the crowd was like, you know,

622
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 5: phenomenal in terms of like how many traveled out to

623
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: California and they all stayed and they enjoyed it, But

624
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: like the Big Ten title felt something bigger because I

625
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: think there was more to accomplish in the college football playoffs.

626
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 5: But I do think that helps Indiana is there won't

627
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: be sort of a letdown in terms of I don't

628
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: think the crowd because like it's so much easier for

629
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: them to get to Atlanta and Oregon. Right, Like, this

630
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 5: game is going to be, you know, drivable for Indiana's,

631
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: it's not for Oregon. You know, try to book a

632
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: cross country fight on short notice is very tough. So

633
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: I think you'll see maybe not Ay twenty but what

634
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 5: it was in California, but you will see a heavy split.

635
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 5: And it will and you know, the players talked about

636
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: the last two games, the Big Tantail Game and the

637
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 5: Rose Bull feeling like home games. I have a feeling

638
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: that this will continue that trend.

639
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: The running game for Indiana I thought was so important

640
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: against and it has been all year. Mike, Let's be honest,

641
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Mike Nilek, my guest from the Bloomton herall times, Fernanda

642
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Mendoza winning the Heisman. We talk about Omar Cooper, We

643
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: talked about Charlie Becker and his emergence which has been massive.

644
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: Elijah Saraj just continues to make plays. Have have we

645
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: not given enough credit to Indiana's ability in particular to

646
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: run between the tackles and continue to maintain possession that way.

647
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's been up and down, and so

648
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: I think that's maybe why it kind of doesn't It

649
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: wasn't as prominent maybe as it would have been. You know,

650
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Speaker 5: they like they started really hot, what three hundred yards

651
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Speaker 5: in the first four games, you know, plus, but then

652
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Speaker 5: it took a back seat. You know, the next three

653
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Speaker 5: weeks they really struggled aroun the ball, and then I

654
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Speaker 5: think you've seen sort of spurts. You know, Maryland they

655
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Speaker 5: were really good to do. Obviously they dominated, and then

656
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Speaker 5: last week against Alabama, obviously we were able to just

657
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Speaker 5: hold onto the ball, you know, ran the ball fifty times.

658
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Speaker 5: So like that was only the third time this season

659
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Speaker 5: they'd done that. So I think it's been up and down,

660
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Speaker 5: and sort of Mendos has been maybe like the most

661
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Speaker 5: consistent option, obviously the Heisman winner. I think that's why

662
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Speaker 5: it probably doesn't get maybe sort of hasn't taken kind

663
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Speaker 5: of a focus as you would think. But I think

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Speaker 5: what's kind of been the consistent part of it. They've

665
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Speaker 5: been able to get explosive plays when they needed throughout

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Speaker 5: the season, whether they've sort of averaged five or six

667
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Speaker 5: yards to carry or not, they've still been able to

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Speaker 5: kind of show up in key moments. That Oregon game

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Speaker 5: is a perfect example. They only ran the ball off

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Speaker 5: for one hundred and eleven yards, but Roman Hanby had

671
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Speaker 5: a couple of key plays that game. One came in

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Speaker 5: before to the half to sort of set up things

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Speaker 5: that they needed. And so I think that's where you've

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Speaker 5: seen sort of the kind of consistency. When they need

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Speaker 5: an explosive play from the run game they've gotten and

676
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Speaker 5: then then all the element to it is Mentoza. Last

677
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Speaker 5: in the Alabama game in particular, like five times scrambled

678
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Speaker 5: and just like read it perfectly and got those first downs,

679
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Speaker 5: kept moving the chains and they'll take that, you know,

680
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Speaker 5: they that's fine for them because like they were able

681
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Speaker 5: to hold onto the ball and just eat more clock.

682
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Speaker 5: And so like he's been very good and sneaky kind

683
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Speaker 5: of like picking his spots in those moments to sort

684
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Speaker 5: of make the key play when he needed to with

685
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Speaker 5: his legs.

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Speaker 1: Mike Nizelik is my guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line is where we're talking to him. He of

688
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Speaker 1: course with the Bloomington Herald Times talking about Indiana Oregon

689
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Speaker 1: Friday night six thirty right here this radio station the

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Speaker 1: national semi final mike of the four teams remaining of

691
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Speaker 1: the other three besides Indiana, is this the toughest matchup

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Speaker 1: of the three?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you'd think so, I just missed on.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, Organ's kind of was like the most

695
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Speaker 5: consistent of the you know, outside lost Indiana, they didn't

696
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Speaker 5: really have you don't aways really spread them very much,

697
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Speaker 5: and you know, you kind of look at you see,

698
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Speaker 5: you know, I kind of a comparisons today you kind

699
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Speaker 5: of stack up the rosters and you know, they're not

700
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Speaker 5: quite as loaded with five and four star guys as

701
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Speaker 5: Ohio State in Alabama, but like it's right there, you

702
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Speaker 5: know in terms of like top one hundred players things

703
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Speaker 5: like that. Obviously a five star quarterback, and so I

704
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Speaker 5: think that that's probably you know, the biggest test, and

705
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Speaker 5: this being a rematch, I think does throw that added

706
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Speaker 5: wrinkle in terms of like, you know, the other teams

707
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Speaker 5: are going to get Indiana fresh, haven't played any sort

708
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Speaker 5: of like cross over opponents, and so so I think

709
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Speaker 5: that makes it that adds like a level of difficulty

710
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Speaker 5: that it'll be interesting. I mean, there's something that we

711
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Speaker 5: said for momentum, like if Miami oral miss got in,

712
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Speaker 5: you know, they're obviously flying high, you know. But one

713
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Speaker 5: thing I think Miami and Indiana aren't dealing with as

714
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Speaker 5: much as those other two teams or some of the

715
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Speaker 5: coaching change. Obviously drama behind the scenes. Organs had to

716
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Speaker 5: replace both of its coordinators. They'll coaching this game, but

717
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Speaker 5: there's you know, having a slit focus leading up to

718
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Speaker 5: those things, and so that's you know to me, Uh,

719
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Speaker 5: you know, Oregon's kind of the hardest opponent, and I'd

720
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Speaker 5: be leiriy of Miami if you know, coming out of

721
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Speaker 5: that game, if they were to win.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Mike Kurtz Signetti had mentioned that that first matchup

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Speaker 1: between Indiana and Oregon. He said, you know, teams morph

724
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Speaker 1: so many times over the course of a season that

725
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that he was saying throw

726
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Speaker 1: that out, but that both teams have really matured or

727
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Speaker 1: grown since then, changed a little bit since then. Which

728
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Speaker 1: of the two do you think is more different than

729
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Speaker 1: what we saw the first go round between these two?

730
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Speaker 5: Well, probably just firston he convenient of the health healthier team.

731
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Speaker 5: So I think that that sort of sets them up

732
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Speaker 5: a little apart. You know, obviously defensive end, they lost

733
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Speaker 5: Stephen Daily Kelan Wyats since that game. But I mean

734
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Speaker 5: they really have no sort of injury questions going in.

735
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Speaker 5: Uh Organs had to deal with some portal stuff, you

736
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Speaker 5: know that like a doesn't guy. Not all of them

737
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Speaker 5: are contributors, but a handful are, and so they've got

738
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Speaker 5: some depth concerns. Like I mentioned in the kind of

739
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Speaker 5: the coaching changes in terms of just kind of distraction.

740
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Speaker 5: So like you know, I think you're acting about the

741
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Speaker 5: game plan, but I'm just saying, like all the things

742
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Speaker 5: that go into it, like Indiana's I just think got

743
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Speaker 5: a lot of cleaner, cleaner paths kind of in recent

744
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Speaker 5: weeks to where they're at. But in terms of you know,

745
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 5: I think the wide receiver question is an interesting one

746
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 5: for Oregon, and so like you know, they'll look both

747
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: teams will do different things, but what personnel do they

748
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Speaker 5: have available? Do they have their full complement of players?

749
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Speaker 5: And like to me, Indiana just has like a cleaner,

750
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: healthier roster, not not as many question marks, and I

751
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Speaker 5: think that will set them up better for this game.

752
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: Like I said, I think it'll be a chess mess

753
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: in terms of the coaching. I think we're gonna do

754
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Speaker 5: different things to try to throw Indiana off, and Indiana

755
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Speaker 5: will do the same thing like I wouldn't. I think

756
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Speaker 5: that's why you kind of throw those things down in

757
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 5: terms of like you can't just rely on what you

758
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: saw on tape because of that previous matchup. You're gonna

759
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: you know, the coaches that can go out of the

760
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 5: way to try to you know, use that that's their advantage, Like, Oh,

761
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Speaker 5: you think we're going to go with this look that

762
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Speaker 5: we did last time, You're wrong. And so that's the

763
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Speaker 5: sort of the chess master really played within the game,

764
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Speaker 5: you know, come Friday night.

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Speaker 1: Mike Naisialik, Bloomington Herald Times down in Atlanta, boots on

766
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Speaker 1: the ground, to use his term, Indiana and Oregon. Michael

767
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Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always travel back safely.

768
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Speaker 3: All right, Sarah talked on the line, all right.

769
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Speaker 1: Mike Naisalik joining us on the Java House, Peel and

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Speaker 1: poor guest line. Indiana Oregon Peach Bowl National semi Final,

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Speaker 1: joining us now in the Java House, Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. A guy that knows a little about Indiana

773
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Speaker 1: from his days as a player, knows a lot about

774
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten from his time with the Big Ten

775
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Speaker 1: Network NFL as well. Rhett Lewis joins us on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line rhet. I'm going

777
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Speaker 1: to start by asking you a question that has very

778
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Speaker 1: well somewhat to do with the Indiana Oregon game, but

779
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Speaker 1: a little bit more out of left field.

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Speaker 3: You're ready, ready, okay uh? And I love the willingness.

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Speaker 1: By the way, there are those when I was a

782
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Speaker 1: student at Indiana, I had to you know, I got

783
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Speaker 1: football tickets because that was you had to get the

784
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Speaker 1: football tickets in order to get basketball tickets. And I

785
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Speaker 1: actually went to like every single game, right And that

786
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Speaker 1: was back when qualifying for the poll on weed Eater

787
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Speaker 1: Independence Bawl was a big coup. But there were a

788
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Speaker 1: lot of Indiana fans that were basketball fans but not

789
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Speaker 1: as much familiar with the football side of things. In

790
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Speaker 1: terms of IU itself, now, no matter who it is,

791
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Speaker 1: my understanding is that even though it's designed for the

792
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Speaker 1: younger audience, perhaps anybody that now because of this mania

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Speaker 1: that's taking place future fans is the place for them

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Speaker 1: to turn is it not to try to get to

795
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Speaker 1: better know the game of football.

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Speaker 7: It is a tremendous, tremendous question, my friend, and the

797
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Speaker 7: answer is unequivocally yes. You know, I think one of

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Speaker 7: the things that we all think about, especially you know

799
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Speaker 7: if you have kids. It's like every fan has a

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Speaker 3: So you could sit and watch.

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Speaker 7: This historic Indiana Who's yours football run with them and

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Speaker 1: It is not the first playoff experience, but rather simply

823
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Speaker 1: the second for Indiana. And you know, a year ago

824
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Speaker 1: going into South Bend, and even though that game, statistically speaking,

825
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Speaker 1: was probably closer to the final score than the game itself,

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Speaker 1: when you look at Kurt Signetti in the way that

827
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Speaker 1: Indiana has handled this year and in particular this playoff circumstance,

828
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Speaker 1: how are they different and more mature than a year ago.

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Speaker 7: Well, in the words of Kurt Signetti, they got a

830
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Speaker 7: few more dogs on the roster. And I think it

831
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 7: was clear to him leaving that field at Notre Dame

832
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Speaker 7: Stadium in South Bend, like there was a little bit

833
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Speaker 7: of work they had to do. And while they did

834
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 7: that work, part of the work was already done because

835
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Speaker 7: you now the majority of the roster you know that's

836
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Speaker 7: back this year from last year, knew what that moment

837
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 7: felt like, knew it wasn't good enough, and then trusted

838
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Speaker 7: in Signetti to build the callus to make themselves better

839
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Speaker 7: in the biggest moments. And that is the one thing

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Speaker 7: that has impressed me most about this team backs against

841
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Speaker 7: the wall, biggest stage, best teams, They play their best.

842
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Speaker 7: And I've had this conversation Jake, and I'm curious if

843
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Speaker 7: you have broached this topic as well. The element of

844
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 7: team right is so prevalent with Indiana this year, more

845
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 7: so than any team in the country. But if they

846
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Speaker 7: continue to win out and go to the national title

847
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 7: and win it, are we talking about the best team

848
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 7: that college football has ever seen. It's not the greatest

849
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 7: collection of talent right early two thousands, Miami Ohio, some

850
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 7: of the Ohio state teams, but in terms of best

851
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Speaker 7: teams ever, I feel like that's an argument to be made.

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Speaker 1: The point I made rhet and yes, I think it's

853
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: an outstanding point. I didn't say it in that vernacular,

854
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Speaker 1: but rather I gave the analogy of when I was

855
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Speaker 1: in college and I was working with a bunch of

856
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Speaker 1: guys and we had to move this this we.

857
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Speaker 3: Were doing landscaping.

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Speaker 1: We had to move this big pile of boulders from

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Speaker 1: one area of a yard to another, and if any

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Speaker 1: of us picked up one of the boulders and tried

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Speaker 1: to move it would have taken forever. So we finally

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Speaker 1: got smart enough to line ourselves across so that all

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Speaker 1: you had to do was hold the boulder for like

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Speaker 1: two seconds to turn into the guy next to you,

865
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: and we just moved him down that way.

866
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: And it was it was.

867
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: It worked beautifully because we all worked in unison of

868
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: one another. And it seems like with Kurt Signetti, that's

869
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: what he tells his team to do. You have a

870
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: job to do. Don't worry about what the safety is doing.

871
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: You are the linebacker. You do your job, and so

872
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: long as you do your job, then that means that symbiotically,

873
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: your teammate is going to do his job. And if

874
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: everybody does it in unison with one another, you are

875
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: going to win games and not make mistakes. I don't

876
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: know that I have seen rhet Tell me if you

877
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: agree with this. It's been a long time since I

878
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: have seen a team that has out sounded their opponent,

879
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: basically said, and made the Alabamas of the world wilt

880
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: and break their will because you just forced them into

881
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: making mistakes and they know that you're not going to

882
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: make them, And that to me has been fascinating to watch.

883
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 7: I agree with you one hundred percent, like think about

884
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 7: think about some of those some of those mistakes right,

885
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 7: quote unquote mistakes from the Alabama game. You know, two

886
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 7: sacks early, right, Okay, they end up punting next driver

887
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 7: going down and score like they figured it out, you know,

888
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 7: and when those mistakes happen, they rise to the occasion.

889
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 7: Go back to Fernando from Iowa, the interception from Oregon,

890
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 7: the interception Penn State, the interception all were remedied, right,

891
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 7: and they rose to the occasion. Even back in the

892
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 7: Bama game, the holding penalty after they had gotten the

893
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 7: ball in Oregon or in Bama territory set them back

894
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 7: to first and twenty Roman Hemby rushes for twenty two

895
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 7: yards on the very next play. You know, like, even

896
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: when they do make mistakes, it's like holy smokes, something

897
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 7: clicks and they figure it out or they you know,

898
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: find a way to remedy it almost immediately. And it

899
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 7: I mean it is. This has been a master class

900
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 7: in coaching, a master class in connection with your team,

901
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 7: right with the players and the coaches and everybody moving

902
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 7: together in the same direction or the same goal.

903
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Where is Dan Lanning's team better than they were the

904
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: first time Indiana saw them?

905
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 7: I think they're running the ball a little bit better.

906
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 7: A little bit they have been running the ball a

907
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 7: little bit better. But the problem is now you've got

908
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 7: two of your top four backs in the portal. You

909
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 7: got another one who just broke his collarbone, and so

910
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 7: that area is a little bit less than on that front.

911
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 7: Now here's the other thing that kind of struck me about.

912
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 7: The first time Indiana and Oregon played, organ actually ran

913
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 7: the ball pretty well, like they found. You take away

914
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 7: some of the sack yardage and they were averaging five

915
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 7: almost five six yards of carry. Not many teams have

916
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 7: done that against Indiana, but they kind of went away

917
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 7: from it too. I think that's their best path forward here,

918
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: and so I think that they will be more committed

919
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 7: to the run game, and Indiana's got to find a

920
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 7: way to not let that get going because then that

921
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 7: opens up the explosiveness that they do have, you know,

922
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 7: down the field. Even with and stored out with the cording,

923
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 7: Moore and Dante Moore can can get it downfield obviously,

924
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 7: So that to me is kind of where I'm saying.

925
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 7: I think they're a little bit better, but I'm unsure

926
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 7: now with the running back injuries and depth issues, but

927
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 7: still I think they're going to be committed to it more.

928
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: Rhet Lewis is my guest. He's on the Java House

929
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Gaesh line. You know of his work

930
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: not only formerly of course with the Ayui radio network,

931
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: but also Big ten network, NFL network. Rhett, When you know,

932
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: for fans, I talked about this earlier, this has been

933
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: such a magical time and the fans get so caught

934
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: up in all of it, and it's it's wonderful, right,

935
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you can't go anywhere without people talking about Indiana football.

936
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: But as a player, and you were a player, right,

937
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: as a player, how do you avoid and how has

938
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Curt Signetti allowed his team to avoid getting caught up

939
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: in the hype?

940
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 7: I think it starts long before this week. It starts

941
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 7: long before the Rose Bowl and before you know, they

942
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 7: were talked about as the number one team in the

943
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 7: country and all it starts back in you know, January.

944
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 7: You know, as soon as this run is over, it'll

945
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 7: start again. And that is his constant hunt for complacency.

946
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 7: That's why he's acting like a lunatic when they're up

947
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 7: sixty points against Indiana State on a Friday night in September.

948
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 7: But you're just stalking the sideline, you know, pissed off

949
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 7: at every little detail that isn't going right in a

950
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 7: penalty late or a you know, or a drop pass

951
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 7: or a mistackle. Like he is constantly hunting that stuff

952
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 7: at all times, and even in times where most most

953
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 7: people's nature would be like, okay, we can, let's just

954
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 7: chill a minute, you know, it's sixty to three, like

955
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 7: we're we're probably gonna be okay here. But that is

956
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 7: what drives them now and keeps them ready for these

957
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 7: moments and not you know, thinking about the first Rose

958
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 7: Bowl victory in program history. I texted with I was

959
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 7: texting with a member of the coaching staff this week,

960
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 7: and I was texting a screenshot of one of the

961
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 7: players in the Rose Bowl, and the coaches like Rhett,

962
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 7: that game was so long ago, windshield mentality and that

963
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 7: was it. I was like, Okay, they're in it, Like

964
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 7: they're just so in it right now, so focused. It's

965
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 7: awesome to see.

966
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the players reht for Indiana? The

967
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: one thing that we I guess we still don't know

968
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: because we're still getting to know Kurt Signetti realistically, right

969
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: This is not somebody that's been in Bloomington for twenty years.

970
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that he is getting flawless execution from

971
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: his players A because they fear the penalty of making

972
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: a mistake under him, because he's the iron fist Bobby

973
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Knight type. Or B because he has such an unwavering

974
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: confidence and belief in his players a la Tony Dungee

975
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: that they simply want to make good on his belief

976
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: in them.

977
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 7: So I do love a good multiple choice, so thank

978
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 7: you for that. I do not think it is a

979
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 7: in the least bit. I think it is driven by

980
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 7: their understanding that SIG's blueprint, his game plan, whether you

981
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 7: want to talk about blueprint for the program, goals for

982
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 7: the year, or you know, game plan each week is

983
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 7: so spot on and it has been proven on so

984
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 7: many different occasions to work that they don't want to

985
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 7: screw it up. That's that's kind of the way that

986
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 7: I see like they view like it's such it's more

987
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 7: of an accountability thing and an understanding that if we

988
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 7: do do it right, we're going to win, like that's

989
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 7: and that's just been proven at every turn. Like so

990
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 7: to me, I think it's more of an accountability and

991
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 7: responsibility that they feel like they have to each other,

992
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 7: to themselves, to the program, and to the coaches who

993
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 7: really do set them up for success. I don't know

994
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 7: better than any coaching staff in America.

995
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: Realistically, realistically, Rhett, when you were at Indiana, did you,

996
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: in the back and be honest, did you, in the

997
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: back of your mind have the mindset of I love

998
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: playing college football, I love Indiana University, I love competing,

999
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: but I'm also realistic that playing in a national championship

1000
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: game is probably not on the table for me in Indiana.

1001
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Did you have that mentality as an athlete?

1002
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, if I'm being honest, absolutely. I mean there

1003
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 7: were games, you know, Ohio State, Michigan, you know, Wisconsin,

1004
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 7: any Big Ten game outside of like Purdue in Northwestern

1005
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 7: where we rolled up to the stadium and I was like,

1006
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 7: you know, I know we can win, but it's probably

1007
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 7: not going to happen for us today. You know, like

1008
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 7: anything can happen on any given Sunday like that or Saturday,

1009
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 7: that mentality, but also there's probably a pretty good chance

1010
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 7: we're gonna lose by forty points. I mean, that was

1011
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 7: it was just human nature at that point. We had

1012
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 7: not proven the ability to win against teams, you know,

1013
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 7: that were at the top of the conference and the country.

1014
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 7: And I still had that feeling at times these last

1015
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 7: couple of years. And I would say the last time

1016
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 7: I had that feeling was Fernando Mendoza throws the pick

1017
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 7: six at Austin Stadium and the games tied, and the

1018
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 7: crowd is going bonkers, and I'm like, oh man, this

1019
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 7: is probably it. And then they come back and score

1020
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 7: the next ten points and pick off Dante More and

1021
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 7: win the game, and I'm like, holy smokes, this was

1022
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 7: a watershed moment for me because this is the number

1023
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 7: three team in the country. You did it and in Eugene,

1024
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 7: one of the toughest places to play, and you were unfhased,

1025
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 7: unfhased by a critical error, and then you come right

1026
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 7: back and you figure it out. And since then it

1027
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 7: has been my expectation that they will win every game

1028
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 7: and against any opponent.

1029
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: The reason I ask it, Rhett, is because and you

1030
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: know Iowa also. I mean, even after that Oregon win,

1031
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: then you go to Iowa and you're kind of in

1032
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: the same situation where's like, oh man, you know, finally,

1033
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: like reality kicked in and then they found a way

1034
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: in that game, and it's they've never looked back. But

1035
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: would you agree with this? The biggest challenge for Kurt

1036
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: Signetti when he came to Indiana was not just building

1037
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: a winning program, but rather kind of ridding internally. And

1038
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean like in terms of people or whatever,

1039
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: but just the overall belief that it couldn't be done

1040
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: at Indiana. And I think that that was a wake

1041
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: up for Kurt Signetti where he looked around and just

1042
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: said this needs a complete overhaul from the get go,

1043
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: from culture all the way down in terms of belief

1044
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: and his ability to instill that is remarkable. But that,

1045
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: to me was the biggest challenge that when he got there.

1046
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that.

1047
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 7: One hundred percent? I mean he's I mean, he's basically

1048
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 7: said as much like he got on the ground in

1049
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 7: Bloomington after the contract was signed and was like, this

1050
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 7: place is depressed. And so that's why he walked out

1051
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 7: onto the floorid Assembly Hall and said produce sucks, but

1052
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 7: so does Michigan and High State. Because he knew and

1053
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 7: he and this is one of the three things that

1054
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 7: I believe he is truly truly elite at and one

1055
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 7: of those three things is messaging. Everything he does is calculated,

1056
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 7: it is purposeful. He wasn't just spouting off at Assembly Hall.

1057
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 7: He knew a fan base needed to be rejuvenated. They

1058
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 7: needed to believe that he could believe. Now, he knew

1059
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 7: he had to go prove it, but he needed to

1060
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 7: generate belief first. And he did that and then I

1061
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 7: win Google me. I mean, that was a message to recruits,

1062
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 7: it was a message to anybody.

1063
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: You know.

1064
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 7: That was you know, not thinking about Indiana in a

1065
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 7: contender type of mindset. He talks did it this last

1066
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 7: week at the Rose Bowl. He arrived at the Rose

1067
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 7: Bowl and said that, you know, the first two practices

1068
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 7: on the ground were not very good, weren't very sharp.

1069
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 7: And then I talked to him after the game and

1070
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 7: he's like, you know, I was talking to my players

1071
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 7: when I said that. I was like, absolutely, I know

1072
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 7: that you talk to the you talk to the team

1073
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 7: through the media like expertly, and the message is always received.

1074
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: Ratt. I'll tell you this.

1075
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: I realized that professionally speaking, you need to have an objectivity.

1076
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I know obviously that as

1077
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Speaker 1: part of the Indiana football story. What it must mean

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