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Speaker 1: He's going to update us on his reparations fight and Moore.

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Speaker 1: But first let's get Kevin to reopen these classroom doors

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Speaker 1: versus this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, coll Nelson, it's a good day. It's the

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Speaker 2: nineteenth of March. As things continue and soon it'll be springs,

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Speaker 2: So tomorrow it'll be tomorrow. Isn't another toss up between

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Speaker 1: You know. Let me just share this. Tony brad over

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Speaker 2: Oh great, Yeah, yeah that's right of course, Tony Browner.

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Speaker 2: You know he brings the sunshine with him anyway, doesn't he.

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Speaker 2: He sure does beg guy whatever we call him on

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning, bro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your mind is the greatest asset man.

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Speaker 1: No, and still even sometimes and Kevin, let me add this.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's deep, bro. I like that.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta take you take your lumps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, take those lumps. This is the message you don't

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Speaker 2: A judge orders Voice of America to restart all their

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Kevin. All right, let's bring you.

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Speaker 1: I guess I've been waiting patiently for us, Doctor Robert

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Speaker 1: Richard Allen Turner, Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 4: The more wait to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: Family is from Baltimore, from and also the Empowerment Temple

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that, doctor Turner.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am the walking now forty times from Baltimore

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us

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Speaker 1: why did you start the march? Why did I know

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Speaker 4: To brain aware is to this issue that has been

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Speaker 1: So far, what's the result. And you're getting more people

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of love, a lot of support from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things is done. It's made the

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Speaker 4: I started in a place called Warren County, the site

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Speaker 1: But you know what, doshor Towner, one of the things

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Speaker 4: I surely have. And I put paying the paper and

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Speaker 1: And he says, we deserve reparations, not just the enslaves

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Speaker 4: Yes, it must be nationalized and internationalized because black people

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Speaker 4: And as you just stated, they didn't just enslave slaves.

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Speaker 1: Slater, Oh God, ask you this, sen I think we're

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Speaker 1: all agreement as folks. Listen to us right now, that

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Speaker 1: we deserve reparations. Who should pay, who should who should

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Speaker 1: we go to for our reparations.

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Speaker 4: I think there's two different levels of that. Of course,

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Speaker 4: you have the federal government that allowed it to be done,

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Speaker 4: so definitely they should be paying. But in my book

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Speaker 4: I mentioned how individuals can do reparations, can do repair.

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Speaker 4: If a white person discovered that their ancestors own people,

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Speaker 4: then they also can pay reparations to the family or

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Speaker 4: to the descendants of the family that their ancestors own.

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Speaker 4: So it's two systems. It's two levels. And in my

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Speaker 4: book I talk about the actual four falls reparation, individual

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Speaker 4: reparations for individuals, society reparations because societies also participated in

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Speaker 4: this terrible system. Institutional reparations, the government, and even spiritual

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Speaker 4: reparations because a lot of people use faith as a

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Speaker 4: they weaponize faith to whitewash the minds of enslaves to

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Speaker 4: be better slaves. And so I'm thankful that all four

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Speaker 4: have been done on some level, and some of there

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Speaker 4: are examples of all four being done of individuals who

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Speaker 4: found out in their family history today that their answer,

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Speaker 4: it's all people in society signing out, places such as

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Speaker 4: Georgetown signing out, hey, we had slaves at this university. Institutions,

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Speaker 4: some cities now across the country for this Emonston payout reparations,

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Speaker 4: and even church denominations several of them Episcopalian churches here

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Speaker 4: in Maryland paying reparations. The examples is all for being done.

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Speaker 4: So reparations is actually happening. It is just not something

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Speaker 4: that the federal government and state governments have bought into yet.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, twenty nine away from the top that I foundly

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Speaker 1: just checking in our guess this doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner.

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Speaker 1: He's from Baltimore's in Pound Temple and Am Church. And

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Speaker 1: what he does he's watches on a mission. He watched

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Speaker 1: in different cities to the state capital. He star with

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Speaker 1: Baltimore and going all the way to Washington, DC to

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Speaker 1: underscore the need for reparations. You know, doctor, we got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of white folks who listen. They don't call it,

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Speaker 1: but they listen. We hear from them whenever they disagree

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Speaker 1: with you. Last time this week they called I think

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Speaker 1: it was this week when we out boot him on

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Speaker 1: and we said he was a political prisoner. I'm a

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Speaker 1: bunch of notes from them and say, naw, he's a

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Speaker 1: stone called murderer. So these are the kind of folks

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Speaker 1: who are hearing this conversation. And now I will say, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't enslave you guys, Why should I pay? Why

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Speaker 1: should my tax money go to you to give you reparations?

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Speaker 1: My folks weren't even in this country when that started.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those people?

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Speaker 4: I say, well, what about right now the United States

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Speaker 4: spending our tax that was Obama and Iran? Do any

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Speaker 4: of us live in those areas right now?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: But our tax I was going to that dewey support.

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Speaker 4: But our government does with our money, not in most

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Speaker 4: not in most cases. But they don't complain about that.

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Speaker 4: We gave money to Ukraine, were giving them money every

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Speaker 4: year to fight Russia. Any of us in Russia, and

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Speaker 4: those are foreign countries in what they're doing. We were

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Speaker 4: pairing the home that Russia is doing in Ukraine. Now,

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Speaker 4: so you mean to tell me that we can we can.

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Speaker 4: We can spend trellions of dollars to repair home in

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Speaker 4: other countries, but can't spend that same money here in

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Speaker 4: America to repair home. We actually did, America did this.

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Speaker 4: I can see if this is another government that that

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Speaker 4: revolutionized and rebuilt against America. Know, we are in the

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Speaker 4: same country that allot that that allowed people to be

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Speaker 4: kidnapped from their home land and brought here. We're in

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Speaker 4: the same country that not only allowed slavery to take place,

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Speaker 4: but allowed the disenfranchisement of those same people. We're in

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Speaker 4: the same country that passed bills and laws to keep

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Speaker 4: us separated through Jim Crow. We're in the same country

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Speaker 4: that passed redlining and mass coarceration and it's so called

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Speaker 4: fate war on drugs, which now we know is war

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Speaker 4: on black communities. We're in the same country that investigated

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Speaker 4: our leaders like Malcolm X and doctor Marster King Jr.

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Speaker 4: And had them killed. So this is the same country.

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Speaker 4: So you mean to tell me that we can do

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Speaker 4: all this other stuff overseas? We can, we we we

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Speaker 4: we can kill foreign leaders like like Assam Hussein and

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Speaker 4: someone been alive. We can kill more Margaret Daffy, our

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Speaker 4: government killing people, killing leaders, and we kill we killed

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Speaker 4: our own American citizens here in this nation, and we

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Speaker 4: don't give any repair. Are you kidding me? That's that

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Speaker 4: that that shows to me when people make recomments like

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Speaker 4: that and only protest their dollars being used to help

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Speaker 4: black people but not protest their dollars being used to

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Speaker 4: take out foreign leaders and fighting wars and have absolutely

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with America, then that shows racism right there.

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Speaker 4: If you don't mind your money being used for that,

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Speaker 4: but you but you want to protest your money being

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Speaker 4: used for us and something America actually did, it shows

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Speaker 4: that you are racist.

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Speaker 1: Straight up. Twenty five away from the top. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you mentioned all those issues too, especially Jim Crow, because

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Speaker 1: that was the law of the land basically. And the

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Speaker 1: drug the drug war on the black community. They you know,

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Speaker 1: put drugs in our community and it's still the ramifications

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Speaker 1: back then, it's still gone right, now we've it's still

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Speaker 1: got she's got a lot of injuries, it's still passed down.

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Speaker 1: The residual effects being felt by members of our community

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Speaker 1: were impacted by by the drugs that we were sent

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Speaker 1: into our community. Now the other community, not any other community,

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Speaker 1: but the black community. They started that. So those those

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Speaker 1: folks who are listening wondering why we should get reparation,

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Speaker 1: those are two key issues. Anything else you want to

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Speaker 1: put on that list, Uh, doctor Turner, No, I just

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Speaker 1: I hear that.

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Speaker 4: Coment a lot from white people, especially why I wasn't

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Speaker 4: here doing that, and they only raised that concern to

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Speaker 4: us and to me, Uh, that shows their pun intended.

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Speaker 4: That shows their true colors. They don't have that same protest.

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Speaker 4: They're not protesting Trump Colin has spending our money on

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Speaker 4: these wars, but they will protest reparations because they don't

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Speaker 4: want black people to have anything. And it shows they

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Speaker 4: are still racist elements in this nation.

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Speaker 1: And hold that thought right there, step asign get caught

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Speaker 1: up with our first look at the news of trafficking

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Speaker 1: with our different season when we come back though, because

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Speaker 1: it seems like they think if we get something, it's

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Speaker 1: taken away from them. I want you to explain that

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Speaker 1: when we get back family, he too can get in

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Speaker 1: on this conversation with our guests, that doctor Robert Richard

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Speaker 1: Allen Turner reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I won't take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls after we check the news trafficking weather.

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Speaker 1: That's next and grands Rising family, thanks for waking up

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning with our guest that

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Speaker 1: doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from Baltimore. Before we go

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Speaker 1: back to let me just remind you come up later

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Speaker 1: this morning. We're going to be joined by the founder,

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Speaker 1: president and marriator and the elder Grio of the Community

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Speaker 1: Healing Network, and she's also an attorney aus Well. That

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Speaker 1: would be and also that would be doctor Enola Aired

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Speaker 1: and also she'll be joined by the executive director of

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Speaker 1: the group at Chinda Rocks Anne. But and after that way,

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Speaker 1: when were joined by historian and noted researcher Professor Manu wamping.

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Speaker 1: Professor Hampin was a guy who discovered that the Willie

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Speaker 1: Lynch letter was a fraud, you know, people going around

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Speaker 1: quoting it. He detected that was total fraud, and some

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Speaker 1: people still using it and still referring to it. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: He's going to be here this morning and tomorrow's Friday

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Speaker 1: when we give you a chance to free your mind

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Speaker 1: all that means, think for yourself and join us for

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Speaker 1: our open Phone Friday program. You can prompt at six

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Speaker 1: am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB.

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Speaker 1: Also on the DMV on fourteen fifteen w L. All right,

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Speaker 1: doctor Turner, we go back to the fact that some

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Speaker 1: folks will say that, especially folks who don't look like us,

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Speaker 1: that they weren't here when slavery was going on, so

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Speaker 1: they their tax money shouldn't go to us. But there's

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Speaker 1: a prevailing feeling amongst some people in the white community.

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Speaker 1: They probably started by the President when he talked about

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Speaker 1: d I and all that stuff, that everything that we gain,

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Speaker 1: everything that we have, that means we're taking something from them.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the prevailing thought, that everything we achieved, we

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Speaker 1: didn't get it fairly. It was a handout or a

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Speaker 1: hand up. Can you address that issue for us as

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Speaker 1: it speaks to reparations.

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Speaker 4: Now that that is a fear based and racist white thought.

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Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is that White America won

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Speaker 4: a rig game, and that game they won was rigged

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Speaker 4: because who is in a race with an opponent that

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Speaker 4: has held back for four hundred years, And that the

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Speaker 4: wins and games that White America has seen has been

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Speaker 4: in large part because the country has created a system

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Speaker 4: that overwhelmingly to advantage white people. This country, from its

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Speaker 4: very inception, was made to give repair are incentive and

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Speaker 4: benefits to white people. Took the land from the indigenous,

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Speaker 4: took the land, took the land by brute force from

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Speaker 4: the indigenous, then took people from another country and made

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Speaker 4: them work the land, and then made laws that the

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Speaker 4: people that they took the land from and the people

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Speaker 4: they took and brought over here as enslaved people, could

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Speaker 4: not even know how to read or write. And so

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Speaker 4: they won a rig gain. And so now we're saying,

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Speaker 4: we want a to eliminate the laws that keep us

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Speaker 4: from being able to read, from being keeping us separate,

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Speaker 4: from keeping us from joining, being being able to live

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Speaker 4: where we want to live. Now that those laws are

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Speaker 4: pretty much gone, now we're saying and bet and bet,

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Speaker 4: and also, by the way, you need to repair the

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Speaker 4: home that you did those free years that's not taking

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Speaker 4: anything from them at all, but in their minds because

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Speaker 4: they know they know they want to read a game,

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Speaker 4: they know they wouldn't be where they are without this

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Speaker 4: four hundred heads off. So they they don't want us

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Speaker 4: to have these games because it will be as though

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Speaker 4: now we're able to have an equal playing field, that

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Speaker 4: we're able to be an equal quote unquote opponent, if

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Speaker 4: you will. And instead of seeing us as fellow citizens,

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Speaker 4: they see us as opponents. Right, and you know, we're

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Speaker 4: in the season of the Olympics, and the Olympics we

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Speaker 4: celebrate USA, USA, USA USA. What would it look like

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Speaker 4: if USA team in the Olympics were like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: we want to have only the best shoes for the

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Speaker 4: white athletes and not the best shoes for the black allletes.

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Speaker 4: We want to have the best equipment for only the

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Speaker 4: white No, that would make no sense. Why because the

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Speaker 4: team as a whole is competing against the world. But

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Speaker 4: in America, the only team they care about is white people.

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Speaker 4: And even though black people we are citizens too, they

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Speaker 4: don't care about us having the best shoes, the best equipment,

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Speaker 4: best training. And so racism has really cost America itself.

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Speaker 4: And so about giving reparations is really helping out America.

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Speaker 4: It's having got America more so than us helping out Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Giving reparations of black people is helping out America. Helping

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Speaker 4: black people become and be successful in their lives, Helping

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Speaker 4: black people get out of debt, helping black people pay

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Speaker 4: off student loans and to get educated. Quote all supposed

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Speaker 4: to be air quotes on the same team because we

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Speaker 4: all are American, right, But only white people who have

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Speaker 4: racist ideology feel if I help black people, I'm hurting myself.

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Speaker 4: That's like a teammate saying if I give you a

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Speaker 4: bottle of water to drink doing halftime, I'm hurting myself.

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Speaker 4: Makes no sense unless you are racist, unless and you

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Speaker 4: don't really want so That's what I'm saying. People who

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Speaker 4: fight preparations, we're true patriots. We are the true patriots

650
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Speaker 4: in this nation because we want all of America to succeed.

651
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Speaker 4: Racist white folks only want white people to succeed, and

652
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Speaker 4: they would rather America lose if we got to come

653
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Speaker 4: up and win.

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Speaker 1: Right ten away from the topic, but doctor Tourny, you

655
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Speaker 1: got some white folks who think say that, why do

656
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Speaker 1: you guys deserve reparations. You know, you've been here all

657
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: this time. We got the Asians and Latinos just got

658
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: here last week and look at that doing well. They're thriving.

659
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: They don't need any help, they don't need to hand out. Wait, well,

660
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: you guys who have been here, you sit, You never

661
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Speaker 1: took advantage of the of the great American life, and

662
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Speaker 1: now you want to hand out and you want special

663
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Speaker 1: special specialistic to you know, specialists to get into college

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Speaker 1: and jobs. Why should we recover anything special for We

665
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Speaker 1: don't do for the Latinos, We don't do it for

666
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Speaker 1: the Asians. What would you your response be.

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Speaker 4: I would say that it's that person does not know

668
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Speaker 4: American history, because American history teaches us if you know it,

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Speaker 4: full of it, maybe even though they're trying to take

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Speaker 4: it out of schools being taught true American history. Every

671
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Speaker 4: group in this nation, every single group in this nation,

672
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Speaker 4: from white people to Indigenous Americans to Jewish Holocaust survivors,

673
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: every single group in this nation has gotten in some

674
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Speaker 4: form of repair except for black people. Asians got it

675
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Speaker 4: from being internment counts during the World War Every group

676
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: got it but black people. So again again you got

677
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Speaker 4: to team where everybody's else getting their supplies and then

678
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Speaker 4: what they need, but you're gonna you're gonna not give

679
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Speaker 4: their supplies of black folks. And then what makes them

680
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Speaker 4: even more upset? Is it some kind of way I

681
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Speaker 4: know what the way he is God last folks was

682
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Speaker 4: still successful in spite of being in a place on

683
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Speaker 4: a team they don't even like you. We're still the

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Speaker 4: m v P, you know.

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Speaker 1: And all I thought right there a ten away from

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Speaker 1: the time I got to ask you this question. You know,

687
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Speaker 1: when you mentioned the Japanese got the reparations, and one

688
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Speaker 1: of the persons who helped the Japanese was Compton Congressman

689
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Speaker 1: Irving Tamely. He's black. One of the members at the time,

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Speaker 1: the late Congressman Marving Diamond. Are you seeing any if

691
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Speaker 1: the Japanese, any of the Asians fighting for us to

692
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Speaker 1: get our reparations? He was there, he helped because it

693
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Speaker 1: was in Congress you helped push you through. Are you

694
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Speaker 1: seeing that any of the Asian leaders or any anybody

695
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Speaker 1: other than our folks seeing that black people deserve reparations.

696
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Speaker 4: I have seen the Asian American support. When Sheila Jackson

697
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Speaker 4: Lee are third the HR forty bill sponsored it. I

698
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: did see Asian congressmen support of it. I was when

699
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Speaker 4: out marsh from Baltimore to the White House. The Asian

700
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Speaker 4: community was there to greet me because they know their history,

701
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Speaker 4: and that's that's a blessing. I mean to see in

702
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Speaker 4: a lot of cases Asian Americans supporting it more than

703
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Speaker 4: some of our own people. What is said, So yeah,

704
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Speaker 4: I can say that, and being honest, I have seen

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Speaker 4: that my still my.

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Speaker 3: Own eyes, well good.

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Speaker 1: I think of clearing that up because you know, we

708
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Speaker 1: keep hearing that, but we just don't see them a lot.

709
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad that they're out there. And you

710
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Speaker 1: say these were elected officials like like Mervin Domley was,

711
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Speaker 1: there were these congress people's makers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great signed off to be co sponsors on her

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Speaker 4: And being atto, I can't speak for the current situation

714
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Speaker 4: because there's a new bill, but I do I can

715
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Speaker 4: say when Sheila Jackson was alive and she smonsored the bill,

716
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Speaker 4: she had Asian partners who co sponsored.

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Speaker 7: It with her.

718
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Speaker 1: So what's the nature of the bill now now that

719
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Speaker 1: she's not no longer with us? Is there anybody picking

720
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Speaker 1: up the baton and moving with it.

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Speaker 4: Out of Massachusetts? A Leanna Presley is the chief sponsor

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Speaker 4: now of the bill.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's good to know, because you know, sometimes

724
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: the dream dies when the dreamer dies as well. But

725
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Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that somebody is discussing that. But

726
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, because there's so much stuff going

727
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Speaker 1: on in the world right now, doctor turnerout. I remember,

728
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Speaker 1: we've had this conversation before we started talking about reparations,

729
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: and we were having these conversations longed for decades. We

730
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Speaker 1: were having these conversations way back when I think it

731
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: was in the eighties or nineties, Armstrong Williams and he

732
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: was still doing radio. He said, he agrees we deserve reparations,

733
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Speaker 1: but at the time he says, we can't get reparations

734
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Speaker 1: because we bankrupt. If America paid us what they own us,

735
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Speaker 1: we bankrupt the country.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts on that, I think that America is already bankrupt,

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Speaker 4: and we're bankrupt paying everybody else's bills but our own.

738
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Speaker 4: Uh So, if we're gonna be bankrupt, big bankrupt, if

739
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: you're gonna go into debt, going into debt doing something

740
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Speaker 4: for your own people, not for these other countries. So

741
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Speaker 4: I would disagree with the notion that America is not

742
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: already bankrupt, and so if you're gonna be bankrupt, paying

743
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: a bill, pay the right bills, and I think reparation

744
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 4: is the right bill to pay.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got a tweet question for your cup

746
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Speaker 1: on a break tweeter says Grant Rising, ask your guests,

747
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: would he agree that racism is not about hatred? It's

748
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Speaker 1: a strategy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, but it's a strategy strategy toward end

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Speaker 4: to promote white supremacist for for wealth purpose that I've

751
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: heard all the different arguments to try to sanitize it.

752
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: At the end of the days, they had the same effect.

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Speaker 1: So it is it's both it's a strategy and they's

754
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Speaker 1: racist or a racist strategy. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah,

755
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: all right, atween that answer to your question. But again,

756
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Speaker 1: is it to protect white supremacy or enhance white supremacy?

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Speaker 4: I think it's too protected. That's the only thing that

758
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: they have left really because Europe was in the dark

759
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Speaker 4: ages for.

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Speaker 5: Slavery.

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Speaker 4: The Moors actually brought enlightenment to them and when they

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Speaker 4: found able to kick them out, that's when they claim

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Speaker 4: and got the Renaissance in fourteen six and then shortly

764
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Speaker 4: that after they come back to Africa and following the

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Speaker 4: moors and they enslave people and brought them over here,

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Speaker 4: and so slavery. Really the wealth of Europe, the wealth

767
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Speaker 4: of people, has only been built primarily off of the

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Speaker 4: backs of black folks. And to repair for that from

769
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Speaker 4: that and their eyes possibly would send them back to

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Speaker 4: the dark ages.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, hol athor right there, four minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of it. I got to check the traffic

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Speaker 1: and weather at different cities when we come back, though,

774
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: tell us what individuals people listening right now, just the

775
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: average joe just listening to us, what can they do

776
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: to push these reparations forward. You setting the pace by

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Speaker 1: walking and doing that monthly and to show that we

778
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: deserve reparations and bring attention to an awareness to reparations.

779
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: But what can the average person do who can't walk

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Speaker 1: with you on these monthly trips. Family, you want to

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Speaker 1: join in on this conversation with doctor Richard Anon Turner,

782
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Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy sixth We taket phone calls after

784
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Speaker 1: we check at the trafficing weather in different cities. That's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising Family Factual rolling with us on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning with our ask the doctor Robert Richard

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Speaker 1: Allen Turner. He's from Baltimore's Empowerment Temple Avenue Church talking

788
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Speaker 1: about reparations. And I was asked you before we left

789
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Speaker 1: for the traffic up there. My question to you was,

790
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Speaker 1: what can the average person listening to us right now,

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00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: doctor Turner, because how can they get involved in reparations?

792
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: What can they do for reparations?

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00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: Oh, they can get involved supporting a movement. We're building

794
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: a movement right now nationwide to support EFFIS reparations right now.

795
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: Though in the meantime, they could follow my social media

796
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Speaker 4: page where I post several updates on my walks and

797
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: lay'st updates on the movement. My instagram is read of

798
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 4: doctor Robert Turner, I v d R. Robert Turner, where

799
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Speaker 4: they can give me their email address and my messages

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00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 4: and I'll be happy to keep them in the loop

801
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Speaker 4: going forward.

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00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we think if it's doing those walks and

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Speaker 1: when we joined you homi a vicariously a couple of

804
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Speaker 1: times and so let us know what he's doing again.

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Speaker 1: But wan let you go. I got to ask you

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Speaker 1: another question. Yeah, We're gonna ask another question because you

807
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Speaker 1: you were tell you the funeral of Reverend Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 1: What was he like being in that building? Many of

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Speaker 1: us just watched it on TV. What was he like

810
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: being there?

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Speaker 4: First of all, it was surreal hearing the news that

812
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Speaker 4: he had passed. That was a very emotional day for

813
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Speaker 4: me hearing the news he had passed. Just he's been

814
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Speaker 4: a constant figure in American and worldwide political life for decades,

815
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Speaker 4: for decades, and to hear of his passing, it was

816
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Speaker 4: just yeah, very rough time and even more so for

817
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Speaker 4: his family.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And to be invited by them two attend and to

820
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Speaker 4: be there was a special moment. I was And I

821
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Speaker 4: did not leave the sanctuary of the church the entire funeral,

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Speaker 4: and it was a pretty long time. I didn't I

823
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Speaker 4: didn't go take you the bathroom. I didn't leave the

824
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: tanks were at all because I wanted to be there

825
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Speaker 4: for every single thing. And I saw everybody, I saw everything,

826
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Speaker 4: and I heard all the comments. It was, It was.

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Speaker 4: It was a very touching and moving service.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to you at that service?

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Speaker 4: What stood out to me was I was actually sitting

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Speaker 4: next to one of Reverend jackson lieutenants. One of the

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Speaker 4: things that he shared was that he was a little

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Speaker 4: upset because, uh, he said, and these are his words,

833
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Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing. No, he said he could not get any

834
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Speaker 4: of these folks to come to march with Reverend Jackson,

835
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Speaker 4: but they'll come to the funeral. And that was so

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Speaker 4: brun Now hit me like a ton of bricks because

837
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Speaker 4: as the activists, I know how that feels right to

838
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: want people to come out, to ask people to come

839
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Speaker 4: out if then if they can't come out, sign a petition,

840
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Speaker 4: can't sign a petition, what can you do?

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Speaker 8: You know?

842
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Speaker 4: And to not do anything while he was alive, would

843
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: come to the funeral as though, and then you hear

844
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Speaker 4: people give these broad, elaborate testimonials. He was very disgusting.

845
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Speaker 4: And that's one of the things that stood out of me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've been sort of remiss if we don't

847
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Speaker 1: ask you about what juniors outburst. I think that was

848
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Speaker 1: after the press conference. In your assessment, was he correct

849
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Speaker 1: or was he Some people say it was just grieving.

850
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Speaker 1: How did you see it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: As a as an outsider, I'm not I'm not in

853
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: the family, but I do know that he he he

854
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Speaker 4: has experienced a lot as the son of Reverend Jackson,

855
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Speaker 4: he saw a lot, he heard a lot, and being

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Speaker 4: there with his dad during his you know, a lot

857
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Speaker 4: of years, he probably saw the phone calls being made

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Speaker 4: that were not answered by people. And I can imagine

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Speaker 4: that's something he has not forgotten. And he expressed that

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Speaker 4: he verbalized his feelings, and I know he's still grieving,

861
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Speaker 4: but yeah, he he shared that well when well, when

862
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: we all heard it to the nation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been discussing in the bomber shops and the

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Speaker 1: beauty salons for days, still being discussed, by the way,

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Speaker 1: especially with the elections just completed in Chicago. But before

866
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: we let you go, I'll let you go. We got

867
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: another guest on deck. How can folks reach you if

868
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: they want more information about reparations, if they want to

869
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: join you on some of them marchers that you do,

870
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: because now you've taken it nationwide, how can they reach you,

871
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: doctor Turner?

872
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Several ways, Uh, email Pastor Turner at e t

873
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 4: A dot net. That's probably the best way.

874
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, doctor Turner, Thank you and thank

875
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: you and keep it up and let us know the

876
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: next time you're going and we'll probably walk with you.

877
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: I VI cares like we did. I think it was

878
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: this week. Sometimes one of these months passed or during

879
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: the cold when you were walking. So let us know.

880
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, we love that. We'll also keep you updated.

881
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's doctor Robert Richard Allen Turner from

882
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Baltimore's Empowerment Temple Ame Church. What he does monthly he

883
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: takes a walk you know, the started by gun from Baltimore,

884
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: Baltimore City to the to the White House to draw

885
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: attention to reparations. Now he's taking is taking that format

886
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: to different cities across the country. All right, seven half

887
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: the top of the hour, got a new set, I

888
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: guess the for you, family, and we have pleased to

889
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: present you the president, Emerita and Elda Grio of the

890
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: Community Healing Network. She's also an attorney. Her name is

891
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: a doctor Inola Air. And also we have the executive

892
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: director of the Community Healing Network, Ladies, Grand Rising, and

893
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: welcome back to the.

894
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 9: Program, Grand Rising, gym run, good morning.

895
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Good morning, and doctor Aired. Tell us about you know,

896
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: tell us about the Community Healing Network. How did you

897
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: con see that and why?

898
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Ah?

899
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 9: Well, let me. Whenever I'm asked that question, I usually

900
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 9: tell the story of being in a nightclub in DC,

901
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 9: in your area, many many years ago, and meeting a

902
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 9: woman whose name I later found out was DEDI. Dede

903
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 9: was really grooving in on the music, really having a

904
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 9: good time, and drinking one drink after another. When my

905
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 9: friend and I went into the restroom, we met Dede there.

906
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 9: She was oblivious to our presence and she was just

907
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 9: looking at herself in the mirror, and she said, here,

908
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 9: you are d d Old, black and ugly as usual.

909
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 9: That hit me like a brick, And I said to myself,

910
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 9: and it had been something that had been meditating on

911
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 9: for a while. It's like, how many black people feel

912
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 9: that way when they look at themselves in the mirror?

913
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 9: And so it zeroed me in on this notion of

914
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 9: the inferiority that we so many of us live with,

915
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 9: not just here in the United States, but across the

916
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 9: world as a result of conditioning and programming over the

917
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 9: course of the last seven hundred years. That conditioning was

918
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 9: really what paid the way for the enslavement, trafficking, and

919
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 9: enslavement of African people and the colonization of Africa. The

920
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 9: richest continent on the stage of the Earth, and so

921
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 9: the goal became, how do we attack that conditioning? How

922
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 9: do we name it? And how do we create processes

923
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 9: for healing ourselves from it and ultimately extinguishing it.

924
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you know that's story. Thank you for sharing

925
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: that with us. As you know, ladies, we have there's

926
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: so many problems in the country today and we asked

927
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: you to come on and help us. How do we

928
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: deal with them? How do we process them? What should

929
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: we do? Should we get involved, should we be part

930
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: of the admission, join the administration part of this or

931
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: should we sit on the side. What's any you know,

932
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: what's in it for black folks? That's that's the question.

933
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: I get that question all the time on this program.

934
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: People ask me, well, what should we do? It seems like,

935
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, scratching hans and figure out what's our role?

936
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: So help us out here, doctor, and also Roxanne Sandras,

937
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: she said, I'm calling your last name, you know, Sondra,

938
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: help us out what what should we do?

939
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 9: Go ahead, ladies, Paul for asking the question, as you're

940
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 9: performing a very wonderful service for us in our community.

941
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 9: You know, it has been said that the most radical

942
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 9: act in a six society is to heal yourself and

943
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 9: then gently heal others help others to heal. And this

944
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 9: is thick, a very sick society, and it's getting sicker.

945
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 9: And during this time, more than anything else, people are

946
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 9: going to do whatever they are called to do, and

947
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 9: they should. But we and Chondra can talk more about this,

948
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 9: are issuing a very urgent call for us to pull out,

949
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 9: turn to each other and heal ourself and help each

950
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 9: other heal. We need to turn inward and focus on

951
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 9: strengthening ourselves, our children, our families, and our community to

952
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 9: help us get ready for what we see as intensifying challenges.

953
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 9: This is not going to get easier, it's going to

954
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 9: get harder, and we need to get stronger. We need

955
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 9: to empower ourselves, our children, our families, our community.

956
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: All right, Sandra, how do we do this?

957
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 9: Yeah?

958
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 10: I would second that, and I would say that we

959
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 10: need to also embrace healing as a legitimate strategy and

960
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 10: as a pathway for the other things that we want

961
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 10: to be able to achieve, whether it's politically, whether it's socially,

962
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 10: well it's economically. Because I would like to tell briefly

963
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 10: tell this story that actually we've been doing some listening

964
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 10: tours here. Th HN is headquartered in New Haven, and

965
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 10: I ended up going to a listening tour with a

966
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 10: sort of partner organization or a sister organization that is

967
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 10: focused on economic growth, and they were speaking. The session

968
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 10: that I went to was specifically in the black community,

969
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 10: and even though they were talking about economic power and

970
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 10: what they wanted when it came to financial literacy things

971
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 10: like that, it was really surreal and revolutionary, a relevatory

972
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 10: excuse me for them to come to the conclusion that

973
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 10: they needed to heal in order for them to achieve

974
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 10: the economic goals that the community was striving for. And

975
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 10: so I think part of being able to turn inward

976
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 10: and to turn to each other is to first recognize

977
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 10: that healing, the emotional mancipation work that we do, is

978
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 10: so fundamental to any other strategy that we are attempting

979
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 10: to employ for the progress of our community, ourselves, our family.

980
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 10: And so I also think that is also really key

981
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 10: to understand that the fundamental, the centrality of healing.

982
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 6: In our work.

983
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 9: You know, I think that that's powerful. Chandre and I

984
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 9: and if I could Carl just build on that for

985
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 9: a minute. You know, it's important to recognize that racism

986
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 9: under minds anti Black racism in particular, undermines every aspect

987
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 9: of our health and our well being. Right, we have

988
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 9: I's rate to something called weathering and alostatic load, and

989
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 9: these are ways that we measure the effects of stress

990
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 9: trauma on our bodies, the wear and tear on the body,

991
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 9: mind and spirit. So weathering, if you think about this winter.

992
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 9: I don't know where you are in the country, but

993
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 9: it's been a very tough winter. Our house has been battered.

994
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 9: I just know now that the snubvel has melted. We're

995
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 9: looking walking around the house and we just see this

996
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 9: place took a hit and there's gonna be a lot

997
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 9: of work that we need to do to fix it to,

998
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 9: you know, to get it rehabilitated. So if you think

999
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 9: of racism as a constant battering, battering of our bodies, minds,

1000
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 9: and spirits, it results in weathering of our minds, our spirits,

1001
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 9: and our bodies. And this is why it is so

1002
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 9: very important for us to prioritize healing and prioritize healing

1003
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 9: in community so that when individuals heal, the community heals

1004
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 9: as well. And I know Sandra can speak in particular

1005
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 9: to shn's focus around children and families because the shield

1006
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 9: tell tell them endre.

1007
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1008
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 10: So you know, one of the things I mean to

1009
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 10: this point that you know a Noola is making about

1010
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 10: it's a constant battle. The other thing is that healing

1011
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 10: has to become part of our lifestyle because it is

1012
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 10: constant and it's unrelenting. But what's really, what's really, really

1013
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 10: really key here is that the same anti blackness that

1014
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 10: adults faith, children faith. There's no child friendly version of

1015
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 10: anti blackness, So that alathtic lobe, that weathering is happening

1016
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 10: to them and their little bodies. And they also have

1017
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 10: to be armed with the tools and the resource to

1018
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 10: be able to do that. And so we as a community,

1019
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 10: we put a lot on our children. We look to them,

1020
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 10: you know, the younger generation. But part of their preparation

1021
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 10: for us to be able to pass the baton to

1022
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 10: them is to ensure that they are they are prepared

1023
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 10: with the healing and with the resilience tools that's necessary

1024
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 10: so they can just be able to stand and withstand.

1025
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 10: Some of our children are not making it out of childhood.

1026
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 10: Some of our young adults are not making it out

1027
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 10: of that. And you know, a Noah's story started with

1028
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 10: a woman. My story started with When I first came

1029
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 10: to HN not even a month in, there was a

1030
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 10: story that touched me deeply about a young black eight

1031
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 10: year old girl who took her life.

1032
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Wow, tell you what, Chandra hold that thor right there.

1033
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: We got to step aside. I want to break you

1034
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: in and I want to hear that story. And also

1035
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: doctor Ed stay with us if you just join us. Family.

1036
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: That's Chanda Roxanne and doctor Inola Ed. Doctor edis also

1037
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: an attorney for She created the Community Healing Network. She says,

1038
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: we need healing. But the problem is many of us

1039
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: don't know we're damaged. So I want you to address

1040
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: that as well. And Bill and Baltimore has a question

1041
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: for you ladies. Family. You two can join our conversation

1042
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: sixteen after the top of they you know how to

1043
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: reach us eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy

1044
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand

1045
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. I

1046
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: guess we have Sandra Roxanne and also doctor Inola Ed.

1047
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: They're from the Community Healing Network And before we left

1048
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: Chandra is about to tell us some a story about

1049
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: when she started with the with the network. So Sandra,

1050
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish the Tarning story. We got some

1051
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: folks want touch you. And I have a question for

1052
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: doctor Aired.

1053
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 10: And I was saying that Nola has her story about

1054
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 10: d D and I have a still olar story with

1055
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 10: a younger black.

1056
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: Girl and I first, uh oh, and we may have

1057
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: lost a Kevin. Can you see if you can get

1058
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: up back? And why we do that? Let me ask

1059
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: doctor Aired this because the network is talking about healing.

1060
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: Doctor Well, my question is many of us don't know

1061
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: that we're damaged that they don't We don't know that

1062
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: we which sort of confused. We don't know that we

1063
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: need healing. What do you say to those folks?

1064
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 6: Well?

1065
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 9: Here goes. You know, there are not many things I

1066
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 9: could say.

1067
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 10: But I just pulled.

1068
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't tell me we've lost the doctor. Doctor uh,

1069
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Aired as well, Doctorola. Oh he's still there.

1070
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 11: Okay, go ahead, I am, I am still here.

1071
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 9: Okay, who do you want to speak?

1072
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: Shaunder's back? Oh, it's finished with Sondra first, and then

1073
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: we go to you, doctor Ed go aheads on, Yeah, and.

1074
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 10: So this so maybe about a month.

1075
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm problems with her phone. She's gone again.

1076
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: All right, doctor, pick it up?

1077
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

1078
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I'm saying I just I just went to

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Speaker 9: the American Pachiatric Association's Position against Racism and it was

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Speaker 9: approved by the Border Trustees just two years ago, July

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty four. And I'm going to quote it. It

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 9: says racism.

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01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: So people are trying to not get that message. Asked

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01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: Kevin n am of making you work this morning, twenty

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01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: two minutes after the top, they are sage, Yeah, go.

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01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 9: Ahead, by adversely affecting the diminishing an individual self image,

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 9: confidence and optimal mental functioning. I want you to think

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01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 9: about those words.

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01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, kep me telling of your phone is going in

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01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: and out? Uh doctor ed. So I don't know if

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: you can do anything about that. Is Sandra back with us? Kevin? Oh, Sandra,

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01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: pick it up. Let's try it again.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 10: And So a month into my work with Communically Network,

1095
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 10: I learned about a young black that her crustmates were

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 10: saying to her and taunting her with over a period

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Speaker 10: of time. And so that touched me very deeply and understanding.

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 10: As I mentioned earlier that there is no child friendly version.

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Speaker 1: And d do a favorite because we lost it for

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Speaker 1: a moment. There, Can you repeat what you said? I

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01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: have some really technical problems this morning. Chan's phone keeps

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: go dropping, Doctor Aired, the line keeps dropping us. Well,

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: doctor Aired, are you there, I'm here.

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01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: We can hear you loud and clear.

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 9: Okay.

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01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: So the question is that I asked you that you're

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: a healing network, but many of us damaged, and we

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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know that we're damaged. So how can you help

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: folks who don't know that they need help?

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01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 9: So we carry the highest generally the highest alostatic lobe

1112
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 9: because racism is constantly working on our nerves, raising our

1113
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 9: cortosol levels and wearing our systems out.

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01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 11: You have a high war.

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, the phone's going in and out again. Family

1116
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: sounds sounded like a dropped I know they're making Kevin

1117
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: work this morning twenty four after the top of the aist,

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: either of the lady's back on the line.

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 10: Kevin, Yes, I'm here.

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: Okay, this is strange. This has never happened before. Chandra,

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01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell your story. We have to get

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: a piece by piece here, and I'm not hearing Chanda, Kevin,

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01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: is it is it in our system where it's their phones?

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 4: You know?

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01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: Uh, the chances of both of them having phones are

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: dropping the calls.

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01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 10: Well, hello, I'm still here.

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Speaker 1: It's hang on a second. What's the problem, Kevin. Okay,

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01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: it says it says the phones.

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: Technically, Carl, it it appears that they're like in an

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: area where the broad band is bouncing. It's not necessarily

1132
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: going through. Sometimes it's like that. But when I pick

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: up the phone the landline, they're there. Okay, ms Rock Sanne.

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01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: Are you there?

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 4: Well see I'm here.

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01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: See see there's a delay. Thank you, Thank you for responding.

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: Let's continue with the show if.

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: We can, all right, go on, Santra.

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01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 12: Yes, and so this.

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 10: When I first started working with Community Healing that we're

1141
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 10: back in twenty eighteen. I heard about it.

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01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Let me see she's gone again because I hit the blip, Kevin.

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: She said, this is strange. You guys are in Connecticut

1144
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: and New Haven.

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 5: Can you hear me, charl Yeah, I.

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01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: Can hear you.

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01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 9: Yeah. So I'm in Cheshire, Connecticut, which is about thirty.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: H okay, thanks thanks Kevin. Yeah, and then we'll with

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: doctor doctor Air, and let me just tell the family,

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01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: we have some technical district. As you can hear, I

1152
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: guess doctor in Air that she started the Community Healing

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: Network and she's also an attorney as well. This is

1154
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: one of these brilliant sisters. She's a scholar, an elder

1155
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: and discussing what are the problems that they were facing.

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, we've got a bunch of problems we're staring

1157
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: at right now as a as a as a group,

1158
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: as a family. What can we do? And she says,

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01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: we need healing. So my question to her was, how

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: can we need healing? Some of us don't know that

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: we're damaged. And and so we got we got first,

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: we got to accept the fact that we're damaged before

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: we can be healed. Go ahead, doctor, and again, we

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: just just lost.

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Speaker 9: Of the tree, right, can you hear me?

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear, but it's still going in and out.

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: But go ahead, we'll see, we'll work with it.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, the American Psychiatric Association, which is the

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:22,440
Speaker 9: nation's leading uh you know, uh majority psychiatric. I meanschoic

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 9: self bidge is how you view yourself. Confidence is how

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01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 9: you feel about yourself and applemental functioning is your ability

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 9: to think. If we want to be at our best,

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01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 9: we simply must deal with this issue. And we're under

1174
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 9: an incredible amount of pressure right now. This whole country,

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 9: this whole world is.

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Speaker 1: Doctor.

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Speaker 9: We would be remiss if we did not take this

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01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 9: opportunity to do everything that we can to strengthen ourselves

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 9: emotionally and psychologically and strengthen our children, strengthen our families,

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Speaker 9: and strengthen our community. And that's what community healing is.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you what, Kevin. Let's let's go

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: to Chandra. Chandra Roxanne call the back. Let me see

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: if her line is much better?

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01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 13: Chandra, Yes, And do you want me to pick up

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01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 13: with the story?

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01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead please yes.

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Speaker 10: And So when I first started working with Community Healing Network,

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01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 10: I'm in twenty nineteen, I.

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Speaker 9: Heard about.

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Speaker 1: Thirty minutes at the top of that. Kevin, you may

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: have to have them call us on a different line

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: because obviously these the cell phones are impacted. They were

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01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: getting cut off every two second, and they don't know that.

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01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: I know they still you know, it happens when the

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: call drops and you're still talking. You think the other

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01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: person can hear you and that's what's going on here.

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: So Kevin, if you can drop one and see if

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: you can get back on the landline if they do

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Speaker 1: have land lines. If not, we're just gonna have to

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Speaker 1: rock and roll with it because most people don't have

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: land lines anymore, so we don't have this interference. So

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: who's back online? Kevin me his line is dropped as well.

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after the top of their Family Live Radio here,

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: Uh doctor ed are you there? How about Chanda? Well

1205
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: tell you what Kevin. Let's put Bill on from Baltimore

1206
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: while you figure that out, because he's got an idea

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: as well. He's online one grand rising Bill.

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 14: Well, thank you, tab of the morning. I look, I'm

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 14: so sorry that we haven't the problems because it was

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 14: such an awesome conversation when the system made mentioned in

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 14: terms of healing ourselves from the band, then I just

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01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 14: wanted to ask ask them a reference to what did

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01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 14: they think, because you know, about three weeks ago called

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 14: then I had an opportunity to put a proposal on

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 14: the table in terms of saying March to eight, let's

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 14: proclaim it to be Unity Day and every March to

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01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 14: eight from five to eight, then we have the town

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 14: hall meetings. We have gatherings where we bring in people

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01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 14: to talk about unity, because I think that the value

1220
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 14: of passing down generational unity, just like we talk about

1221
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 14: generational wealth. Then it would empower us to constantly have

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 14: a day that we come together to talk about unity,

1223
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 14: to talk about the meaning and the unity, what unities

1224
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 14: could do for us, how we need to spend our

1225
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 14: money with one another, how we need to support one another.

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01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 14: So I wanted to ask them what did they think

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01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 14: in reference to that concept?

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: You know, let me ask you this question.

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 5: You know what you think?

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: Bill, Bill, let me ask yourself. You got some folks

1231
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: who don't want unity, don't want us to be unified.

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: People look like me and you and you hear you

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: know who they are. They're attacking They are attacking black people.

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: They don't attack white folks. They're attacking us, you know.

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: And I know we can try to avoid them as

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01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: much as possible. But what do we do with those

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: folks because they're going to work against your agenda of unity?

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01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 14: Well, I think, Carl, you know, as we create this

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 14: day and and and it has to become a reality,

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 14: and in every year you have people talking about unity,

1241
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 14: then Eventually then people have to come to the table

1242
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 14: where you and that. You know, I mean, it is

1243
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 14: easy for people to be against it when they feel

1244
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 14: that if they against it, there's nothing gonna happen. But

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 14: you know, when we start to unify.

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right when we start to unify. So something's

1247
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: going down with the phones here. I tell let's go

1248
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: back to doctor n Ola Edge. I think she's on

1249
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: the landline. Maybe it's much better over there. She's on

1250
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: line five. Grand Rights and again, doctor Aired, let's hope

1251
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: this is much better.

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01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 6: Thought Grand rising to you, dear Carl, My grandmother would say,

1253
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 6: is that the devil is busy. But we're not going

1254
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 6: to let that happen. We're not gonna let that stop us.

1255
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 6: So basically, the bottom line is that every human being

1256
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 6: is susceptible to stress and trauma. Uh and we have

1257
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 6: as a community been historically subject to a great deal

1258
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 6: of trauma. What we have to recognize is that every

1259
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 6: human being subject to that kind of trauma needs to

1260
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 6: take time to heal. And so for those who are interested,

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01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 6: not if you're not interested, that's fine, but if if

1262
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 6: you are interested, we are creating this kind of community

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01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 6: of practice where we can come together and do what

1264
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 6: we need to heal, not just for the fun of it,

1265
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 6: but so that we can withstand and allow our children

1266
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 6: to withstand the attacks and the assaults grounded in anti

1267
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 6: black racism that will surely intensify in the days to come.

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: Well, well, I don't know if you heard much of

1269
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: Bill's conversation from Baltimore. He says, we should have a

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 1: unity Day, a Black Unity Day. We will all come together,

1271
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: all on one page. Your thoughts. But let's do this

1272
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: because Bill's back, let him explain it to you, Grant Rising, Bill,

1273
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: explain what you just shared with us, to share with

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: doctor Ered, Yes, thank you again.

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 5: Hello dog.

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 14: So the poem was like, who there's a proposal that

1277
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 14: we put on table a few weeks ago saying that

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01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 14: every March the eighth, we should claim Unity Day and

1279
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 14: from five to eight then all around the country we

1280
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 14: should have people to come together. They should bring in

1281
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 14: speakers and they should talk about unity, the value unity.

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01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 14: You know what unity could do, and we said use unity.

1283
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 14: It's just that we talked about generational wealth to pass

1284
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 14: down unity to the children has not yet borne, and

1285
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 14: the children up under us and the power that you know,

1286
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 14: and would creating our community. So I wanted to hear

1287
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 14: what you would say about that.

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Bill. I think it's a great idea.

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01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 6: The challenge Bill, that we have is that we are

1290
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 6: programmed and conditioned not to be unified. That is, by design,

1291
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 6: people who enslaved us and enslaved our ancestors brought us here.

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01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 6: A very important element of our conditioning was that we

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Speaker 6: would not be able to trust each other, that we

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01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 6: would have difficulties in the art and act of trusting

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Speaker 6: one another. And so I think we all have our

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Speaker 6: own personal and collective stories about instances in which we

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,560
Speaker 6: have tried to do so many different things, things that

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Speaker 6: make a whole lot of sense, are very very logical,

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 6: but we break down into fractions and factions and cannot

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Speaker 6: do the work that needs to be done. This is

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Speaker 6: why we feel so strongly that healing, dealing with that

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01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 6: conditioned behavior, developing a new mindset that enables us to

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:25,440
Speaker 6: look very clearly and think very strategically, individually and collectively,

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 6: is so essential. As Chandra said, this work of healing,

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 6: becoming emotionally well and attuned resilient, is a prerequisite for

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01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 6: everything else. It is the pathway to our empowerment in

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Speaker 6: every other area.

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Speaker 1: Right hold up though, right there, Doctor Edry, We got

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01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up on the lates's

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01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: news trafficking weather when we get back. But my question

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: to you and I needed to respond to this because

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01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: not many many of people don't know that we need healing.

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: They don't think we're damaged, they think we're perfect. You know,

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: So how do you How can you heal somebody who

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know he has a price? If you can share

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01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: that with us and we'll try Chandra as again. Family,

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01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: if you're just checking in this doctor Inola Aired, also

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01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: Shandra Roxanne from the Community Healing Network. The discussion what

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01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 1: we should do with these problems that we're facing and

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: build offered of a solution about unity. What are your thoughts?

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: What do you think we should do? Eight hundred and

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six gets you

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01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: in to speak to these ladies and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the news. That's next and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.

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Speaker 1: I guess we have Sandra Roxanne and also doctor Inola Aired.

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Speaker 1: They're from the Community Healing Network. And before we left,

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Speaker 1: Chandra is about to tell us some a story about

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: when she started with the with the network. So Sandra,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish darning story. I got some folks

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: want touch to you, and I have a question for

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01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: doctor Aired.

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Speaker 10: So we're saying that Vanola has her story about d

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01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 10: D and I have a stillular story with a younger black.

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Speaker 1: Girl and I first, uh oh, and we may have

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Speaker 1: lost Ra Kevin. Can you see if you can get

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Speaker 1: up back? And while we do that, let me ask

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: doctor Aired this because the network is talking about healing. Doctor.

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: My question is many of us don't know that we're damaged,

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01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: that they don't we don't know that we we're sort

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01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: of confused. We don't know that we need healing. What

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01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: do you say to those spokes?

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Speaker 9: Well, here goes. You know, there are not many things

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 9: I could say, but I just pulled.

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Speaker 1: I don't tell me we've lost the doctor. Doctor uh,

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: doctor Aired as well, doctor Inola. Oh he's still there, Okay,

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01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, I.

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Speaker 10: Am I am still here.

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 9: Okay, who do you want to speak?

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01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: H Shaunder's back? Oh, it's finished. A Sondra first, and

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Speaker 1: then we go to you, doctor Ed go ahead, Sondra.

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01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 10: And so this so maybe about a month.

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have problems with her phone. She's gone again.

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: All right, doctor peak, pick it up?

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01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'm saying, I just I just went to

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Speaker 9: the American Pachiatric Association's Position against Racism and it was

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Speaker 9: approved by Border trustees just two years ago, July twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty four. And I'm going to quote it. It says racism.

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Speaker 1: So people trying to not get that message, asked Kevin,

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01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: I am making you work this morning, twenty two minutes

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01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 1: after the top, they are sage, Yeah, go ahead.

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01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 9: By adversely affecting the diminishing an individual self image, confidence,

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Speaker 9: and optimal mental functioning, I want you to think about

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Speaker 9: those words.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin, tell me your phone is going in and out.

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01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: Doctor ered. So I don't know if you can do

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: anything about that. Is Sondra back with us? Kevin, Oh, Sandra,

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Speaker 1: pick it up. Let's try it again.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 10: And so a month into my work with Communically Network,

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Speaker 10: I learned about a young black that her crustmates were

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01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 10: saying to her and taunting her with over a period

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Speaker 10: of time. And so that touched me very deeply and

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 10: understanding as I mentioned earlier that there is no child

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Speaker 10: friendly version, and.

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Speaker 1: Chandre, do your favorite because we lost it for a

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01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: moment there. Can you repeat what you said? I we

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01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: have some really technical problems this morning. Chandra's phone keeps dropping,

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01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Aired, the line keeps dropping us. Well, Doctor Aired,

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01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: are you then?

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 14: I'm here?

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01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 11: Can you hear me?

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: We can hear you loud and clear.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: So the question is that that I asked you that

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Speaker 1: you're a healing network, but many of us damaged, and

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Speaker 1: we don't know that we're damaged. So how can you

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01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: help folks who don't know that they need help.

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Speaker 9: So we carry the highest generally, the highest alistatic load

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Speaker 9: because racism is constantly working on our nerves, raising our

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 9: cortisol levels and wearing our systems out.

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Speaker 11: You have a high work.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, the phone's going in and out again. Family

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01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: sounds sounded like a dropped I know they're making Kevin

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01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: work this morning. Twenty four after the top of the hoist,

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Speaker 1: either of the lady's back on the line.

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Speaker 6: Kevin, Yes, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is strange. This has never happened before. Chandra,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and tell your story. We have to go

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: to piece by piece now here and I'm not here.

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01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: In a challenge of Kevin, is it is our system

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: where it's their phones, you know, uh, the chances of

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01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: both of them having phones are dropping the calls.

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01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 10: Well, hello, I'm still here.

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01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: It's hang on a second. What's the problem, Kevin. Okay,

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: it says it says the phone.

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01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: Technically, Carl it it appears that they're like in an

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01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 2: area where the broad band is bouncing. It's not necessarily

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: going through. Sometimes it's like that. But when I pick

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01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 2: up the phone, the landlined, they're there. Okay, ms rock sand.

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 3: Are you there?

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01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 4: Well see I'm here.

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01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 2: See see there's a delay. Thank you, Thank you for responding.

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01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: Let's continue with the show if.

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: We can, all right, go on, Santra.

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01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 10: Yes, and so this when I first started working with

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01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 10: Community Healing that we're back in twenty eighteen. I heard

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01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 10: about it.

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01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: Let's see she's gone again because I I had the

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01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: blip Kevin. Let she said, this is strange. You guys

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: in Connecticut and New Haven?

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01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 5: Can you hear me, Karl, Yeah, I can hear you.

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 9: Yeah. So I'm in Cheshire, Connecticut, which is about thirty.

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01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks thanks Kevin. Yeah, I mean, we'll go with doctor, doctor,

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01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: and let me just tell the family, we have some

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01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: technical district. As you can hear, I guess start to

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01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: eol Air that she started the Community Healing Network and

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: she's also an attorney as well. This is one of

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,879
Speaker 1: these brilliant sisters. She's a scholar, an elder and discussing

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: what are the problems that we're facing. You know, we've

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01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: got a bunch of problems we're staring at right now

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01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: as a as a as a group, as a family.

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01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: What can we do? And she says, we need healing.

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01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: So my question to her was, how can we need healing?

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01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Some of us don't know that we're damaged. And and

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01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: so we got we got first, we got to accept

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01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: the fact that we're damaged before we can be healed.

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01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: Go ahead, doctor, And again, we just just lost.

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01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 9: Of the tree, right, can you hear me?

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear, but it's still going in and out.

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01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: But go ahead, we'll see, we'll work with it.

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01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 9: So, you know, the American Psychiatric Association, which is the

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 9: nation's leading uh you know, uh major already psychiatric. I

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01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 9: mean psychotic self bids is how you view yourself confidence

1447
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 9: is how you feel about yourself and applemental functioning is

1448
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 9: your ability to think. If we want to be at

1449
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 9: our best, we simply must deal with this issue. And

1450
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 9: we're under an incredible amount of pressure right now. This

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01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 9: whole country, this whole world is.

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01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Doctor.

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01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 9: We would be remiss if we did not take this

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01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 9: opportunity to do everything that we can to strengthen ourselves

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01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 9: emotionally and psychologically, and strengthen our children, strengthen our families,

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01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 9: and strengthen our community. And that's what community healing is.

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you what, Kevin. Let's let's go

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 1: to Chandra, Chandra rocks In call it back. Let's se

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Speaker 1: if her line is much better.

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Speaker 13: Chandra, Yes, And do you want me to pick up

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01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 13: with the story?

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01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Good, go ahead please yes.

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 10: And so when I first started working with Community Healing

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01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 10: Network in twenty nineteen, I heard about.

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01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes at the top of the Kevin, you may

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01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: you may have to have them call us on a

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: different line because obviously these the cell phones are impacted.

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01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: They're getting cut off every two second, and they don't

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01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: know that. I know they still you know, it happens

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01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: when the call drops and you're still talking, you think

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01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: the other person can hear you. That's what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: So Kevin, if you can drop one and see if

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01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: you can get back on the landline if they do

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01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: have land lines. If not, we're just gonna have to

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01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: rock and roll with it because most people don't have

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01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: land lines anymore, so we won't have this interference. So

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01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: who's back online? Kevin me his line is dropped as well.

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01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after the Top There Family Live Radio here, Uh,

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01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: doctor ed are you there? How about Chanda? Well tell

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: you what Kevin. Let's put Bill on from Baltimore while

1481
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: you figure that out, because he's got an idea as well.

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01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: He's online one grand rising Bill.

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01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 14: Well, thank you, Top of the Morning. I look, I'm

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 14: so sorry that we haven't these their problems because it

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01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 14: was such an awesome conversation when the system made mention

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01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 14: in terms of uh healing ourselves from within, then I

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01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 14: just wanted to ask ask them a reference to what

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01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 14: did they think? Because you know, about three weeks ago

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01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 14: called then I had an opportunity to put a proposal

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01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 14: on the table in terms of saying, March to eight,

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01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 14: let's proclaim it to be unity Day and every March

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 14: the eight from five A. Then we have the town

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Speaker 14: hall meetings. We have gatherings where we bring in people

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01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 14: to talk about unity, because I think that the value

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 14: of passing down generational unity, just like we talk about

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01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 14: generational wealth. Then it would empower us to constantly have

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Speaker 14: a day that we come together to talk about unity,

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01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 14: to talk about the meaning and the unity, what unities

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01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 14: could do for us, how we need to spend our

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Speaker 14: money with one another, how we need to support one another.

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Speaker 14: So I wanted to ask them, what did they think?

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01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 7: Uh?

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01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 14: In reference to that concept?

1504
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: You know, let me ask you this question.

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01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 5: Do you know what you think?

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01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 4: Bill?

1507
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 7: Shailaire?

1508
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Bill, let me ask you this. You got some folks

1509
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: who don't want unity, don't want us to be unified.

1510
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: People look like me and you and you hear you

1511
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: know they are they're attacking they are attacking black people.

1512
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 1: They don't attack white folks. They're attacking us, you know.

1513
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: And I know we can try to avoid them as

1514
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: much as possible. But what do we do those folks

1515
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 1: because they're going to work against your agenda of unity?

1516
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 14: Well, I think, Carl, you know, as we create this

1517
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 14: day and and and it actually become a reality, and

1518
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 14: in every year you have people talking about unity, then

1519
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 14: eventually then people have to come to the table where

1520
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 14: unity and that you know what I mean. Easy for

1521
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 14: people to be against it when they feel that if

1522
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 14: they against it, there's nothing gonna happen.

1523
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: But you know, when we start to unify, Yeah, it's

1524
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: right when we start to unify. So something's going down

1525
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: with the phones here. I tell let's go back to

1526
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: doctor and Ola Edge. I think she's on the landline.

1527
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: Maybe it's much better over there. She's on line five.

1528
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: Grand Rising again, doctor Aired, Let's hope this is much better.

1529
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thoughts.

1530
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 6: Grand Rising to you, Dear Carl, My grandmother would say,

1531
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 6: is that the devil is busy, but we're not gonna

1532
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 6: let that happen. We're not going to let that stop us.

1533
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 6: So basically, the bottom line is that every human being

1534
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 6: is susceptible to stress and trauma, and we have as

1535
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 6: a community been historically subject to a great deal of trauma.

1536
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 6: What we have to recognize is that every human being

1537
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 6: subject to that kind of trauma needs to take time

1538
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 6: to heal. And so for those who are interested, not

1539
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 6: if you're not interested, that's fine, but if you are interested.

1540
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 6: We are creating this kind of community of practice where

1541
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 6: we can come together and do what we need to heal,

1542
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 6: not just for the fun of it, but so that

1543
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 6: we can withstand and allow our children to withstand the

1544
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 6: attacks and the assault grounded in anti black races them

1545
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 6: that will surely intensify in the days to come.

1546
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, well, I don't know if you heard much of

1547
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: Bill's conversation from Baltimore. He says we should have a

1548
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: unity Day, a Black Unity Day. We would all come together,

1549
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: all on one page. Your thoughts. But let's do this

1550
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: because Bill's back, let him explain it to you, Grant Rising, Bill,

1551
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: explain what you just shared with us, to share with

1552
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,759
Speaker 1: doctor Ered, Yes, thank.

1553
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 14: You again, Hello Doc. So the poem is like who

1554
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 14: there's a proposal that we put on table a few

1555
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 14: weeks ago saying that every March the eighth, we should

1556
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 14: proclaim Unity Day and from five to eight then all

1557
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 14: around the country we should have people to come together.

1558
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 14: They should bring in speakers and they should talk about unity,

1559
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 14: the value unity. You know what unity could do, And

1560
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 14: we said use united as just like we talked about

1561
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 14: generational wealth, to pass.

1562
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 5: Down unity to.

1563
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 14: The children. That you not yet going, and the children

1564
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 14: up under us, and the power that unity would create

1565
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 14: in our community. So I want to hear what you

1566
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 14: would say about that.

1567
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Bill. I think it's a great idea.

1568
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 6: The challenge Bill that we have is that we are

1569
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 6: programmed and conditioned not to be unified. That is, by design,

1570
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 6: people who enslaved us and enslaved our ancestors brought us here.

1571
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 6: A very important element of our conditioning was that we

1572
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 6: would not be able to trust each other, that we

1573
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 6: would have difficulties in the art and act of trusting

1574
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 6: one another. And so I think we all have our

1575
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 6: own personal and collective stories about instances in which we

1576
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 6: have tried to do so many different things, things that

1577
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 6: make a whole lot of sense, are very very logical,

1578
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 6: but we break down into fractions and factions and cannot

1579
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 6: do the work that needs to be done. This is

1580
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:00,560
Speaker 6: why we feel so strongly that healing, dealing with that

1581
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 6: conditioned behavior, developing a new mindset that enables us to

1582
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 6: look very clearly and think very strategically individually and collectively

1583
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 6: is so essential. As Schandra said, this work of healing,

1584
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 6: becoming emotionally well and attuned resilient is a prerequisite for

1585
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 6: everything else. It is the pathway to our empowerment in

1586
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 6: every other area.

1587
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: Right hold up though, right there, doctor Eded. We got

1588
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up on the lates's

1589
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: news trafficking weather when we get back. But my question

1590
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: to you and I needed to respond to this because

1591
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,719
Speaker 1: not many many of people don't know that we need healing.

1592
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: They don't think we're damaged, they think we're perfect, you know,

1593
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: So how do you How can you heal somebody who

1594
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: doesn't know he has a problem if you can share

1595
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: that with us and we'll try Shandra as again. Family,

1596
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: if you're just checking in this dot to Inola Air

1597
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 1: also at Shandra Rock's hand from the Community Healing Network

1598
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: discussion what we should do with these problems that we're

1599
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: facing and build off that of a solution about unity.

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01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? What do you think we should do?

1601
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

1602
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: seventy six gets you in to speak to these ladies

1603
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls after we check the news.

1604
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: That's next Bank Ground Rising family, Thanks for staying with

1605
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. I guess they're from the

1606
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: Community Healing Network, doctor Inola Aired and also Hondra Roxanne.

1607
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: She's the executive director of the group. And my question

1608
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 1: to doctor Air before we left for the news update

1609
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: was how can you help people if they don't they

1610
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: need help, they don't know any damage, how can you

1611
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: heal them? Doctor ed?

1612
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 6: Well, Yes, thank you again, Carl. Maybe we're using a

1613
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 6: word that is not as helpful as it might be.

1614
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 6: We should all admit that we need to take care

1615
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 6: of ourselves. We need to stay in good health, that

1616
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 6: we need to be well emotionally, psychologically, and physically. That's

1617
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 6: a baseline proposition that I hope we can all agree

1618
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 6: on For us as people of African ancestry. It takes

1619
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 6: a special kind of process. There are different issues in

1620
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 6: different facts that we need to deal with, and that's

1621
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 6: what we are talking about. We need to create spaces

1622
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 6: where we can focus on being well, being healthy, being

1623
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 6: emotionally and psychologically empowered. This has always been important and

1624
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 6: it is extremely important now as the assaults on Black

1625
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 6: people on our dignity, our humanity, our lives just keep intensifying.

1626
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 6: And we think that you know, obviously, all signs are

1627
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 6: that it's going to get worse, and therefore we should

1628
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 6: be and our children should be, our family should be,

1629
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 6: our community should be as healthy, as strong, as ready

1630
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 6: emotionally and psychologically as we need to be. So let's

1631
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 6: put aside the question of whether we've damaged or not.

1632
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 6: The question is do we want to be as healthy

1633
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 6: and whole and ready to deal with the challenges that

1634
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 6: will undoubtedly come our way or not? And I think

1635
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 6: we all should make it a point to do our

1636
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 6: best to be at our best.

1637
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Fourteen Away from the topic, Let's try Chandra Againchandre.

1638
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 10: Yes, And you know it's interesting to build on that point.

1639
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 10: In one of our circles, we experienced this actually where

1640
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 10: someone came actually came in and said they you know,

1641
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 10: they didn't really need need to be healed, and really said,

1642
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 10: I don't. I've never experienced racism, I've never experienced discrimination.

1643
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 10: And of course everyone gassed when this person said this.

1644
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 10: But two sessions, and what she came to realize is

1645
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 10: that she had hardened so much just to survive, that

1646
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 10: she had cut herself off from her own humanity, had

1647
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 10: cut herself off from stealing. And it wasn't that she

1648
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 10: did not need to be healed, and but that she

1649
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 10: actually needed to strip away the armor and to take

1650
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 10: a look, to actually look in the mirror and have

1651
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 10: the courage to say, actually, I do I do need this.

1652
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 10: But again, in order for us to navigate, we have

1653
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 10: this armor that has been cultivated for decades, and it

1654
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 10: makes sense and so being able to get underneath of that.

1655
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 10: To Noah's point, we all can admit, you know that

1656
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 10: not only do we have this challenge, but that has

1657
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 10: been passed down. Never has there been he like true

1658
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 10: deep healing from what our parents went through, our grandparents

1659
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 10: went through all the way back, and so it is

1660
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 10: compounded trauma. And then now the assaults that we're dealing

1661
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 10: with today is coming at us even though we have

1662
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:57,560
Speaker 10: this compounded trauma that is unhealed. And I'd like to

1663
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 10: read to One of the things that Community Healing Network

1664
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 10: does is we lift up the quotes of people in

1665
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 10: our community. And one of the quotes that really struck

1666
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 10: me came comes from Isabelle willkerk Wilkerson, who says, much

1667
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 10: of what we see today is the result of history

1668
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 10: unaddressed repeating itself, and so if it remains unaddressed, the

1669
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 10: history but also the trauma that comes with that history.

1670
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 10: Then that means that we will continue to weather and

1671
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 10: be weakened and not be at our optimal and not

1672
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 10: be able to fully to fully flourish.

1673
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: Got you ten away from the top of the truth

1674
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: Tailer's call Us from Cleveland wants you to speak to

1675
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: the ladies. Grand Rising truth Tailer, you Chander. They just

1676
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: heard and doctor d.

1677
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 8: Grand Rising of Quasi And I'm sorry I didn't catch

1678
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 8: the lady's name. Can you repeat that again. I just

1679
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 8: don't want to be disrespectfully. I didn't catch your name.

1680
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that was Chandra was the last run you spots

1681
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: and also doctor Iola and he's with us.

1682
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, good morning, ladies.

1683
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 12: I just had a question for you.

1684
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 8: I won't go into how trauma is caused in our community.

1685
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 8: Who causes the most trauma? I'm traumatized myself already know

1686
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 8: that I've been trying to heal for years. But here's

1687
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 8: my question. How do you heal if you continuously traumatize?

1688
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 8: And I'll just give you example. I'm aware of women

1689
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 8: in our community who've lost three sons to gun violence.

1690
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 8: So I'm as young as thirteen. We just had a

1691
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 8: situation here a week or so ago where through one

1692
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 8: of our one of our younger sisters, I guess in

1693
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,839
Speaker 8: her late twenties mid thirties, I was accused of murdering

1694
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 8: and burying her two young daughters, and one of the

1695
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 8: young one of the brothers, I walking his dog, you know,

1696
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 8: came across the body's buried in suitcases, right, I mean, anyway,

1697
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 8: the brother was traumatized. He didn't even want to talk

1698
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 8: to the media, he was so shaken about it. And

1699
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 8: I've experienced different things myself. So just my question is

1700
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 8: how do you heal when you continuously traumatize? Because the

1701
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 8: way I'm dealing with a lot of trauma, I got

1702
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 8: to cut myself off from people because, as you said,

1703
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 8: the world is sick and our people is not immune

1704
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 8: from that. So how do you insulate yourself from not

1705
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 8: just the continuous trauma, but being allowing yourself to be

1706
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 8: exposed to other people that's toxic and that's always full

1707
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 8: of trauma or bringing trauma. And I take my answer

1708
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 8: off the air.

1709
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 6: Thank you, ladies, thank you so much for that question.

1710
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 6: I think you've made the case the need for a space,

1711
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 6: a continuous space, a constant space, that we could come

1712
01:41:54,760 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 6: to again and again to process, to strengthen, to learn skills,

1713
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 6: because yes, the attacks, the assaults keep coming. This is

1714
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 6: the strongest argument for why we need to fortify ourselves,

1715
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 6: why we need to be in community together seeking to

1716
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 6: strengthen ourselves emotionally and psychologically. I mean, there are tools,

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01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 6: there are resources, there are understandings that can be had

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Speaker 6: to strengthen us and ground us so that we can

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Speaker 6: withstand this continuous assault better. Obviously, what we want to

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Speaker 6: do is bring an end to it ultimately. But while

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01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 6: we have to struggle, we have to struggle in a

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Speaker 6: way that where we are at our best in meeting

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Speaker 6: the challenges that keep coming.

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Speaker 1: All got a tweet here from Ross Joe. I'm buffalo.

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Speaker 1: He said, so basically white people and their culture makes

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Speaker 1: us sick. And let me add on if he's true,

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Speaker 1: Does that mean we cut and run? How do we

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Speaker 1: defend against that?

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Speaker 6: Well? I don't think that it is. It's all of

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01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 6: Western culture, which has insinuated itself into all of the world.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that we can cut and run anywhere.

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01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 6: These values of radical individualism and disconnectedness and materialism pretty

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01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 6: much permeate all societies, and these values are values that

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01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 6: treat people as things, as means to end and that's

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01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 6: part of what makes the society sick. So the best

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01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 6: thing for human beings to do to preserve our humanity,

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01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 6: to preserve ourselves and preserve our children, is to do

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01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 6: the kind of work we're talking about that would stand

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01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 6: as a bulwark against what is a sick world.

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01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: To shut away from the topic and Chanda, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why so many of our folks have moved to Ghana,

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01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: this whole community of African Americans living in Ghana right now,

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01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: in other parts of the continent, if they made a

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01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 1: mistake by moving or should they stay and deal with

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01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: this with the true tell? And Cleveland mentioned that on

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01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: a continual basis, Well, you know, we.

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Speaker 10: I think we do what is what is best for

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01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 10: for us and our families. I would say that number one.

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01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 10: And you know, if you think about you know, the

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01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:39,799
Speaker 10: history of our people, we have always moved when things

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01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 10: get to be just too too harsh, and there's no

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01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 10: fault in doing that.

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01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 5: I think, what what what you know?

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01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 10: Back to what Anola was saying is that it's everywhere,

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01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 10: so there's really no place where we can run.

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01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 9: And so no matter where one goes.

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01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 10: The need for healing goes with you. The context may

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01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 10: be different, and even the expression of it may be different,

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01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 10: but it is still there. And now it may be

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01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 10: easier and less I would say, overt as it is

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01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 10: here in America, but it's still there. And I just

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01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 10: want to say that I have been to the Conton

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01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 10: and I have been to Ghana, and there is something

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01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 10: really transformative and magical about being on the land where

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01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 10: some of our ancestors came from. But back to your

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01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 10: first point, your original point is that one of the things,

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01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 10: this is why one of the things that we do

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01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 10: at Community Healing Network is that our the work that

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01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 10: we do is grounded in African ways of being in

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01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 10: African like our own cultural the wisdoms of our own

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01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 10: cultural I would say, our own cultural treasure. Treasure trows

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01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 10: almost almost like a sankofa And the reason why I

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01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:03,560
Speaker 10: bring that up is because we have to understand that

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Speaker 10: there is an alternative way to being in the world

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01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,520
Speaker 10: that in an alternative way of being able to navigate

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01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 10: with a different grounding set of values that I would

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01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 10: say brings us back into into that unity and into

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01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 10: that humanity of.

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Speaker 12: Who we who we are.

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Speaker 10: But one of the things that one of the assaults

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01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 10: on our people is also our culture. And see within that,

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01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 10: within that that sort of cultural grounding, you are able

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01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 10: to have a strong sense of stuff and then be

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01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 10: able to move and navigate and the realness and truthful

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01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 10: as of who you are not only as an individual

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01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,759
Speaker 10: but also collectively. And so that cultural piece is also

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01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 10: really really important in.

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Speaker 1: Having I think that the line job, but hold that

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01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: thing right, then we've got to step aside anyway, we've

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01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: got to get the latest traffic and weather in our

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01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 1: different cities. Four minutes away from the top they ah,

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01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 1: that was a Shandre Roxanne, he just heard. And also

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01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 1: doctor Enola Aired is with us. They've come up with

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01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 1: the Community Healing Network and they're going to take it

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01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: online and when we would come back, I'll let them

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01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 1: explain what that means. Family, you two can get in

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01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 1: on this conversation. Just reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixty ticket

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Speaker 1: phone calls. After we check the traffic weather. This's next

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Speaker 1: and Grant Rising, family, thanks are staying with us this morning.

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01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: And our guess the doctor Inola aired. She's the founder

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01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: of the Community Healing Network as she's a scholar an

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01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: attorney as well, and she's brought along with the executive

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01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: director of the group, Chanja Roxanne. That's who we're speaking

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Speaker 1: before we left for the traffic and weather updates, Hondra.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought and we have a

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01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: tweet question for doctor ed.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I'll just fitished quickly by saying that what we do

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01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:55,759
Speaker 10: offer our culturally competent and culturally responsive ways to healing

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01:47:56,240 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 10: because being grounded in our culture and our values's this

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01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 10: alternative way of being which strengthens one and ready is

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01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 10: one you know for the time ahead.

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Speaker 1: All right, and doctor er, the question is the tweet

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01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: I guess, following up on Ross jemas from Buffalo's tweet,

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01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: it is it because it's white cultures that make us

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01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 1: sick trying to adapt to white culture. They want to

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01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: know that question, you know.

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Speaker 6: Honor Bontam, the Halem Renaissance author said, is there something

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01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 6: we have lost wandering in these strange lands? We and

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01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 6: our answers have been wandering in these strange lands for

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01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 6: a very long time, and we have to recognize that

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01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 6: it is a hostile culture. You know, people have talked

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01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 6: about the fact that, you know, this place was not

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01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 6: made for us. When it was formed, we were deliberately

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01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 6: excluded and we had to fight like hell to try

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01:48:56,080 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 6: to get into the community of the United States. So

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01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 6: it's fundamentally not a culture that is hospitable and it's

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01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 6: never been a culture that is hospitable to us. And

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Speaker 6: as we look around today, we see it's growing hostility,

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01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 6: increasing hostility toward us. So I think we are well

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01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 6: advised to look at the signs and take steps to

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01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 6: protect and strengthen ourselves and most importantly our children.

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Speaker 1: Doctor the group has now been your network is now

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01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: expanded online. Can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let me let Chandra do that because she's taking

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Speaker 6: the lead. She's our leader now, so expanding online.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, we are offering our work online our circles virtually,

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01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 10: and we've been doing that for or for a while,

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01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 10: and but it's complemented by local work that we're wanting

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01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 10: to do, not only hearing UH in Haven, but throughout

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01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 10: communities in the United States. And so we're offering different

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01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 10: different strategies to be able to access for people to

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01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 10: be able to access the work, and we're you know,

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01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 10: in this sort of next iteration.

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Speaker 7: Of th h.

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Speaker 10: And we're also thinking about, you know, doing pop ups

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01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 10: in different places just to give people sort of a

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01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 10: taste of what we do. Because to the gentleman's point

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01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 10: about how do you start, like how well, how did

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01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 10: you start to heal?

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01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 14: We start with what we take.

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01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,200
Speaker 10: Do we take the first step? And so somebody might

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01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 10: not necessarily jump into a full EEC but maybe they

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01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:49,480
Speaker 10: would do a pop up with an introduction to the eecs.

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01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 10: It's one step at a time, and so we're very

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01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 10: excited for this next iteration, as you said, expanding the

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01:50:58,320 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 10: offerings that we have online.

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Speaker 1: All right, five after the top, I'll stay with for

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01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. Bob and Buffalo has a question for

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01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: your online one grand Rising Bobby on with Chanja ro

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01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 1: Chany just HEARDing doctor Inola ed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, blessed love family. My question is is there a

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Speaker 7: state of health or wellness that we're striving to achieve

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Speaker 7: or is there a way to maintain a state of wellness?

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Speaker 6: I think yes, there's this made of balance a you know,

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Speaker 6: it's it's helping the deities of the world. I don't

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01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 6: know if you heard my story at the very beginning.

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Speaker 6: Helping the deities of the world who look in the

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01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 6: mirror and say to themselves that you're you know, she said,

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Speaker 6: I'm old, black and ugly as usual. It's helping the

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Speaker 6: deities of the world come to see their beauty in

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01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 6: a world that says that black people are not as smart,

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Speaker 6: as not as beautiful, as not as intelligent, not as

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01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 6: everything as we say we are beautiful, as as stokely

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01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 6: con formally called stokely, Carmichael said, and we are beautiful.

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Speaker 6: It is our ability to see ourselves in our fullness,

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Speaker 6: in the fullness of our humanity, the beauty not perfection,

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01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 6: but the complexity of who we are, and to really

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01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 6: say this is good in a culture that is so

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01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 6: hostile to us, in a global culture that is anti black.

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Speaker 6: It takes work to come up against that gravity and

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01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 6: see your true beauty, your true intelligence, to appreciate the

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01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 6: richness of the heritage that we have as people who

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01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 6: descend from Africa. That's work because we have the force

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01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 6: of gravity, which is telling us, in many ways just

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01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 6: the opposite. This is why Ryan Coogler's work is so important.

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01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 6: This is why we get excited when we see positive

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01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 6: images of us, because there's so much but that says

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01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 6: the opposite, even now in twenty twenty six. So the

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01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 6: answer is having a new mindset that sees us in

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01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 6: the fullness of our humanity, a new mindset that helps

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01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 6: us to think more clearly. Remember that that definition of

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01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 6: the American Psychiatric Association that racism undermines our confidence, our

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01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 6: self image, confidence, and optimal mental functioning. Well, what we

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01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 6: want to do is to lift our confidence, our sense

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01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 6: of ourselves, and maximize our mental functioning. All of those

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01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 6: things come as a result of being in spaces where

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01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 6: we can work on our emotional and psychological health and

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Speaker 6: well being.

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01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: May I build on that, ja?

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01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 9: Yes.

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01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 10: And you know, it's interesting because one of the things

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01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 10: a really great question because it's it's part of the

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01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 10: driving force for the way in which we are approaching

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01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 10: our work. Our emotional emancipation circles previously were so like

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01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 10: just one program and people go through it and then

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01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 10: they would always come back and say, Okay, now what's next.

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01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 10: And what became realizing is that this work has to

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01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,680
Speaker 10: become a lifestyle. And so we are now positioning our

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01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 10: work as this cultural practice and resilience and resilience because

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01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 10: the state that we want to be at is where

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Speaker 10: emotional emancipation about health and our state of health. It's

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01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 10: just a natural way of being. And one great example

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01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 10: of that is, you know, when you think about this

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Speaker 10: woman that I mentioned earlier who had hardened herself to

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Speaker 10: be able to have language for all of the emotions,

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01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 10: I mean, it's really fascinating that we don't have an

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01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 10: emotional vocabulary and the need for tools for engaging and

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01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 10: processing it and harnessing it in a productive way that

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01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 10: that actually becomes a way of being in the world.

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01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 10: Because if you're cut off from your emotions, you are

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01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,200
Speaker 10: cut off from your humanity. And if I'm cut off

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01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 10: from my humanity, I'm then cut off from the humanity

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01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 10: of those in my community. And so the state of

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01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 10: healing is being so connected to my humanity that I

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01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 10: am then connected to the humanity of people around me.

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Speaker 10: And on that connection, can I then come together and

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Speaker 10: have unity and we move together like a swarm to

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Speaker 10: create the world that we want for ourselves and our children.

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Speaker 10: And so that state of being is an everyday lifestyle

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Speaker 1: Wow, very profound.

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Speaker 1: I do too, Yes, yes, right, agreed, totally yes, listen.

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Speaker 1: We don't let you ladies go before we do, though,

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Speaker 1: one last word from each one of them. How do

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Speaker 6: Jondre h so yes.

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Speaker 14: I'm doctor had Thank you you know.

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Speaker 6: Bell hook says that beyond simply surviving adversity, we must

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Speaker 6: dare to create lives of optimal well being and joy.

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Speaker 6: With commitment to each other and collective healing, we will

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Speaker 6: not only endure this madness, this present madness. We will

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Speaker 6: emerge stronger, stronger together to do build that world that

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Speaker 6: Chandra painted so beautifully for us.

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Speaker 1: H Shay, thank you, ladies, Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 10: Thank you and thank you to your audience.

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Speaker 6: It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Sandra Raxane and doctor Enola Ed from the Community Healing Network,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you got that information to share with us.

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Speaker 1: Twelve after the topic I was trying attention. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: go out west to Contracosta College. Professor mainhuapin Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the.

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Speaker 5: Program, Brandon rogen Hensheiny, Brother, Carl, I'm glad to be back.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of stuff going on right now

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Speaker 1: in the world. There's these two systems that we just

1969
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Speaker 1: had on would tell us how to deal with all

1970
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Speaker 1: the problems coming out from that section of the world.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about Iran in the Straits of Hormuz,

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Speaker 1: But at one time wasn't that wasn't that uh northwest Africa?

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Speaker 1: What happened? Who inhabited that place before we see what

1974
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Speaker 1: we see here in what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Well, that area was the Uh, there was Arab uh

1976
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Speaker 5: the the Arabs were in that area and straight or

1977
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Speaker 5: straight of Hormuz. But one of the things that is

1978
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,879
Speaker 5: very different now than then is Africans had a thriving

1979
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Speaker 5: trading network and economic and political power. So as a historian,

1980
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Speaker 5: when I'm looking at the eastern African region, going into

1981
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Speaker 5: the so called Middle East, which is a name that

1982
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Speaker 5: was created after World War Two. But looking at that

1983
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Speaker 5: area and even going further east in to India and China,

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Speaker 5: we see a thriving African trading network and trading system.

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Speaker 5: So when we look at African kingdoms and advanced civilizations

1986
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Speaker 5: such as Cush or Aksioum or Great Zimbabwe, we see

1987
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Speaker 5: we see Africans at various periods going back thousands of years.

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Speaker 5: Not only were we at the apex of human achievement

1989
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Speaker 5: in terms of contributions and writing and medicine and math,

1990
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Speaker 5: but the trade, you know, the trade allowed us to

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Speaker 5: really be at the top of humanity. And so things

1992
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 5: have certainly changed. But there have always been the Arab

1993
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Speaker 5: types because the Arabs and must we say the Persians.

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Speaker 5: The Persians have been around for a while, and we

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Speaker 5: see them in the text coming into Africa and coming

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Speaker 5: into Africa because they were well aware of the might

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Speaker 5: and the strength of African kingdoms. I mean, it's a

1998
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Speaker 5: story about the Persians coming into Africa to spy on

1999
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Speaker 5: the king of Kush, the place that the Greeks called Ethiopia,

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Speaker 5: and these two spies were caught, and according to Heroditus,

2001
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Speaker 5: the Greek writer, the Kushite king told the spies, I

2002
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Speaker 5: know where you come from, and don't you ever come

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Speaker 5: against the long lived Ethiopians. And you better and tell

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Speaker 5: your ruler, don't ever come against me again until he

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Speaker 5: can pull a bowl meaning a bow and arrow, until

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Speaker 5: he can pull a bowl this size. And so go

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Speaker 5: back to him and don't and don't try this again,

2008
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Speaker 5: and and be happy that we don't go and cove

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Speaker 5: it or take other lands from people. So go back

2010
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Speaker 5: and tell them that, and don't do that again, you know,

2011
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Speaker 5: because the Kushites were very powerful. It's the first of

2012
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Speaker 5: the classical African civilizations that certainly had an extensive trading network.

2013
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Speaker 5: And this is one of the things that I look

2014
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Speaker 5: at as we look at the current nonsense and craziness,

2015
02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:00,839
Speaker 5: but the African power and uh and and the trade

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Speaker 5: that they came through Africa in various ways, in various places.

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Speaker 15: On the African continent, going back to antiquity.

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Speaker 3: So professor, and.

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Speaker 1: He's saying that and that era of the world, now

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Speaker 1: that's in the news that our folks were there first,

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Speaker 1: or were there? Were we there with the Arabs, and

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Speaker 1: so what happened to us.

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Speaker 5: It's a long story. You have the Arabs that were there.

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Speaker 5: The Arabs, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, well, hold that story there because we've

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Speaker 1: got to step aside for a few months. We come

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Speaker 1: back because we want to hear what happened to our people.

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Speaker 1: He said, you were there, we were trading, and there

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Speaker 1: were working alongside the Arabs. You look at it today

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Speaker 1: and you look hard to see somebody looks like us.

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Speaker 1: So if you can explain that to us, we would

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Family, you two can get it on this

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Speaker 1: conversation with our guests. He's an historian, he's a researcher.

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Speaker 1: Is from Contracosta Cology in northern California. His name is

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Speaker 1: Professor and Pim Manu and Pim and you can reach

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Speaker 1: them at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next ran

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. Nineteen

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Speaker 1: minutes after top there with that guest from Contracosta College

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Speaker 1: in California, Professor Main New and Pim. Professor Ampim says

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Speaker 1: that air of the world, everyone is now focused on

2042
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Speaker 1: this fighting is taking place in the Straits of Horror moves.

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Speaker 1: People look like, man, you once inhabited that place and

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Speaker 1: we were traders. Those are ancestors, So Professor Hampin, what

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Speaker 1: happened to those traders?

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Speaker 15: Well, the.

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Speaker 5: Region has changed many many times. If we go back

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Speaker 5: and we look at the oldest specific records, we can

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Speaker 5: see records going back to Kimmick that goes back several

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Speaker 5: several thousand years, and you can see the trading to

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Speaker 5: the east. In fact, you know, there's been some writers

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Speaker 5: like Drasilla Dungee Houston. Some of the listeners may be

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Speaker 5: aware of her book The Wonderful Eat The Opians of

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Speaker 5: the Ancient Cushite Empire, and she wrote a series of

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Speaker 5: books in nineteen twenty six. I was in the Baltimore

2056
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 5: area in DC. You can get it from Black Classic Press.

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Speaker 5: Her work. But she argues in her series that these Kushites,

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Speaker 5: so called Ethiopians, but these Kushites had had a trading

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Speaker 5: network and system from from Northeast Africa all the way

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Speaker 5: east to India. That that's her argument. And it's not

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Speaker 5: like all of the people were not African, but certainly

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Speaker 5: Africans had a major influence in the areas, because when

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Speaker 5: we look at the text and then later on when

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Speaker 5: we start to see actual images of how the people

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Speaker 5: in some of the regions were depicted, these were not Africans.

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Speaker 5: Even if somebody looked at a biblical point of view,

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Speaker 5: they look at they look at at and Noah. Noah

2068
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Speaker 5: had three sons and Ham, Shim and Jeffid. So Shim

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Speaker 5: is supposed to be the ancestor of all of the

2070
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Speaker 5: mixed groups and Arabs. Uh, the people that inhabit the area. Now,

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Speaker 5: Arabs are the senus of Shim, and theologians their position

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Speaker 5: is that these are mixed groups. Arabs are certainly a

2073
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Speaker 5: mixed group, uh, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: And Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's different histories that have looked at that.

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Speaker 5: So it's not like all of the people in that

2077
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Speaker 5: area were African, but it's clear that Africans had a

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Speaker 5: significant influence in this.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two at the top of the house that we got.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If Carla wants to know what is Arab, we got

2082
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Speaker 1: that other problem again, Kevin, So see if you can

2083
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Speaker 1: rectify that for us. We're speaking with Professor main Neuampin

2084
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Speaker 1: and again his line has drops, so we're going to

2085
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Speaker 1: try to figure that out. Yeah we can hear that.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, professor, Okay, sorry, I don't Yeah anyway, so

2087
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Speaker 5: uh yeah, so yeah, So that the Africans clearly had

2088
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Speaker 5: a major influence in the not only on the continent,

2089
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Speaker 5: but even going far east to India China with great

2090
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Speaker 5: trading networks. And this is what is really lost in

2091
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Speaker 5: the But so that some of the people clearly were

2092
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 5: at some point. You have Arabs, which is a mixed type.

2093
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 5: Those those Arab types definitely emerge. And by the way,

2094
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Speaker 5: Arab by definition, Arab means somebody that's a nomad.

2095
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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 5: They're they're nomadic by origin. That's that's there, that's their

2097
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Speaker 5: position uh and and and they're depicted. When you see

2098
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,880
Speaker 5: the images of them, they're not you know, they're they're

2099
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Speaker 5: they're not European and they certainly not uh depicted as

2100
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,520
Speaker 5: Africans either. We see clear images of them as they

2101
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 5: are depicted. You don't see it in the records of

2102
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 5: Kush there's no images or depictions of them, but you

2103
02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:44,839
Speaker 5: see it in the records of Chemi. Because they're always

2104
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:50,160
Speaker 5: presenting people from different directions, whether they people from the south,

2105
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:53,120
Speaker 5: from the east, or the West, but the Eastern Nerds,

2106
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 5: those are depicted a certain way. And you can see

2107
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 5: how the people who are now called Arab when they

2108
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:05,040
Speaker 5: are depicted in Persia, you can tell that these people

2109
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 5: there's a mixed look. You know, they're lighter skin and

2110
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 5: they're not white skin. They're lighter skin. Their hair is

2111
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Speaker 5: long and somewhat wavy, but it's always black. Nobody would

2112
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:20,800
Speaker 5: blonde hair, no one with blue eyes. But they certainly

2113
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 5: are not totally African either. So this is one of

2114
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Speaker 5: the things that we see. But the Persians, the Empire

2115
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Speaker 5: of Persia, this is developed by Arabs, and we can

2116
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 5: go back twenty five hundred years and they became a

2117
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Speaker 5: power in that area about twenty five hundred or so

2118
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Speaker 5: years ago, and it was the Persians. You know, this

2119
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Speaker 5: was a group that really became imperialists. And by them

2120
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Speaker 5: becoming imperialists, there was conflict with the Arabs from Persia

2121
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 5: and Africans, and so there was and they eventually moved west,

2122
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 5: migrated west and begin it and they took over parts

2123
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Speaker 5: of Africa. So there's you know that there's zones of trade,

2124
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Speaker 5: but there also became zones of conflict as well. So yeah,

2125
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Speaker 5: there were some that were certainly Arab types, but clearly

2126
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:21,800
Speaker 5: you had Africans. And if you want to find original Africans,

2127
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Speaker 5: and in a lot of these areas, whether it's in

2128
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, a lot of these places, Iraq, you

2129
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 5: have to see them in the south because they're pushed

2130
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,840
Speaker 5: to the southern areas and uh, and so you do

2131
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Speaker 5: have some some uh, some black some indigenous black populations.

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Speaker 5: Even going east to India, there usually in the south.

2133
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Speaker 5: And so whether it's people going to Egypt, they can

2134
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 5: see Nubians in the south. But as we go more

2135
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:53,320
Speaker 5: towards the so called Middle East, the original black people

2136
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Speaker 5: are typically in southern areas, in southern regions, and they've

2137
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Speaker 5: they they've definitely definitely been there quite some time. So

2138
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:02,880
Speaker 5: that's something that we should look at. But over time,

2139
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 5: things change. And I can tell you that one of

2140
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:08,640
Speaker 5: the greatest things that we gave up Africans gave up,

2141
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 5: is we lost the coast. So what Africans lost control

2142
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:14,520
Speaker 5: of the coast, they lost control of the trade and

2143
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Speaker 5: things and things change in a way that we were

2144
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Speaker 5: really never able to recover in a significant way. And

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Speaker 5: the author that presents this historical story. Better than any

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Speaker 5: other writer and scholar and historian is Chancellor Williams. So

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Speaker 5: people are aware of his book The Destruction of Black Civilization,

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Speaker 5: But Chancell Williams, he's the researchers researchers. I'm a primary researcher,

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Speaker 5: going directly to the sources. But one of the great

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Speaker 5: pioneers is Chancell Williams. And one of the things that

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Speaker 5: he points out as to how we went from building

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Speaker 5: pyramids to living in projects and slums is that we

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Speaker 5: gave up the coastline when foreigners came in. And certainly

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Speaker 5: the Persians came in after the Assyrians. Is are from

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Speaker 5: current day Iraq. They came in the eighth century, before

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Speaker 5: the Common Era, and then in the sixth century you

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Speaker 5: have the Persians who came in. This is modern day Iran.

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Speaker 5: And matter of fact, matter of fact, a lot of

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Speaker 5: the a lot of their elders. They don't call it Iran,

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Speaker 5: the elders.

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Speaker 15: I met.

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Speaker 5: I had an elder in my class some years ago.

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Speaker 5: He still calls it Persia. But anyway, they came in

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Speaker 5: the sixth century before the Common Era, and they came

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Speaker 5: in as warriors and they were able to to really

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Speaker 5: take over the now the northern part of the now valley, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Professor Mpen. And I'm glad, he explained, because they

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Speaker 1: call it call into the steel. I wanted to know,

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Speaker 1: was an Arab, Professor Ampin. What about the Moors? Did

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Speaker 1: they play a role there? Were?

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Speaker 4: They were?

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Speaker 6: They?

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Speaker 1: Were they in that region?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Not quite the the Moores were in northern Africa. So

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Speaker 5: there the Moores were from the area of up current

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Speaker 5: day Mara in that region in the Moors. In seven

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Speaker 5: to eleven of the Common Era, the Moors went into

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Speaker 5: the Iberian Peninsula, mainly in Spain and a small part

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Speaker 5: of Portugal. And so the Moores were that's short for

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Speaker 5: black and Moore. That's just a description of black people.

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Speaker 5: But the Moors didn't have an influence in East Africa,

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Speaker 5: but they certainly had an influence in North Africa and

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Speaker 5: into southern Europe. And they brought not just Moorish culture,

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Speaker 5: but they brought African culture and writing and science, and

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Speaker 5: they brought that into Europe and helped Europe get out

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Speaker 5: of the Dark Ages because they occupied Spain for almost

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Speaker 5: eight hundred years up until fourteen ninety two. So the

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Speaker 5: Moors had an influence but not quite in the East

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Speaker 5: African or in the so called Middle Eastern region, the

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Speaker 5: Moors were not there.

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Speaker 1: Family Professor main new apenis I guess from Contracosta College

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Speaker 1: in California. They're talking about the references to what's going

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Speaker 1: on now in the world, and he's taking us back

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Speaker 1: into the centries when it all started. But you said

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Speaker 1: that our people, our ancestors, were trading. What were they trading?

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Speaker 1: What did they have to trade? I don't think they

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Speaker 1: discovered oil back.

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Speaker 5: Then, that's true. Well, you know, one of the great

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Speaker 5: items and that is pretty significant is gold, and so

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Speaker 5: gold was very significant. Also very significant was ivory. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they traded in gold. They traded ivory. Also, skins like

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Speaker 5: leopard skins were very very important. You see them actually

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Speaker 5: trading in elephants and trading giraffes, trading all kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: And also one of the great trades that that that

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Speaker 5: very significant is frankincense and mr different uh uh uh

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02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:07,959
Speaker 5: frankn sins and muh very central to the trading network

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Speaker 5: that uh that that that comes from ancient Africa. And

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Speaker 5: these were very very important items that allowed the Africans

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Speaker 5: to be able to trade items that that other groups,

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Speaker 5: other nations could not get elsewhere. And that's what they

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02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:29,080
Speaker 5: were trading along the the east coast. And they were trading,

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Speaker 5: as I said, they were trading as far east as

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Speaker 5: way pass Uh Persia or current day Iran, but trading

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Speaker 5: this in India and also in China. And they would

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Speaker 5: get porcelain and other things and and plus Africans would

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Speaker 5: be trading ten At one point they started to make

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Speaker 5: coins as well. And they were trading these items uh

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Speaker 5: to the to the east and up and down the

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Speaker 5: Noile Valley. You see these these uh, these trading items.

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Speaker 5: But but this is what allowed Africans to be influentials,

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Speaker 5: not only the highly advanced civilizations, but these unique trading

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Speaker 5: items that you see. And you see these items depicted,

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02:13:14,360 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 5: so they're written what was traded, but you see actual

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Speaker 5: images that are painted and depicted so you get a

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Speaker 5: graphic idea. And for example, in Sudan, before the war

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Speaker 5: broke out in Sudan, the current war broke out in

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Speaker 5: April of twenty twenty three, and before that up until

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Speaker 5: that time, in fact, up until up until the time

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Speaker 5: that Omar Bashir was overthrown in April of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 5: I was actually there when the revolution was taking place.

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Speaker 5: I didn't think that the people were organized enough to

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Speaker 5: overthrow the thirty year dictator, but they did. But up

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Speaker 5: until twenty nineteen, there was literally a gold rush in Sudan,

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Speaker 5: even in modern times. So like when I'm out doing

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Speaker 5: field work at the remote areas in Sudan, we would

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Speaker 5: be driving and I mean literally nothing around, just nothing

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Speaker 5: but desert, no asphalt, just gravel. I can't even call

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Speaker 5: it rolls because there were no roads. We're out there

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Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden you'll see lights and

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Speaker 5: the assumption is where this must be a village in

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Speaker 5: front of us. We mean, get close. It's not a village.

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Speaker 5: It's a high level mining operation by foreign companies. And

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Speaker 5: in fact, one of the main foreign companies from Europe

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Speaker 5: and from the United Arab Immigrants or the UAE, they've

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Speaker 5: heavily invested in extracting gold.

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Speaker 15: So gold.

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Speaker 5: So the name Nubia, the name itself Nubia, the root

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Speaker 5: word is gold. The root is nub or nub in

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Speaker 5: ub and that literally means gold. And that's the name.

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Speaker 5: Uh So Nubia literally means the land of gold. And

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Speaker 5: that wasn't just in antiquity. But as I mentioned, I'm

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Speaker 5: there all of these years in the area and and

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Speaker 5: large scale gold mining operations. In fact, that's one of

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Speaker 5: the things that keeps the conflict going now in Sudan

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Speaker 5: because the UAE they are extracting gold and UH to

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Speaker 5: to enrich their country UH. But at the so so

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Speaker 5: what do they get from it? Where they get the gold,

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Speaker 5: but they're giving weapons to help continue a conflict in Sudan.

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Speaker 5: But the area has a lot of actual UH wealth

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Speaker 5: and and so forth. And that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 5: why Africa was at the center of trade because of

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Speaker 5: all these items that different nations wanted to UH gain

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Speaker 5: access to. And gold is one of the key items,

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Speaker 5: whether it's in East Africa or even if we look

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Speaker 5: at the Mandi language in West Africa. In fact, the

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Speaker 5: word ghana in the Mandi language, ghana means king, but

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Speaker 5: in some contextspears in the context ghana actually means gold.

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Speaker 5: And so we see just lots of gold and minerals

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Speaker 5: like that in various parts of the African continent. And

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Speaker 5: then you have you know, exclusive animals that are unique

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Speaker 5: to the African continent, and leopard skins are very the

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Speaker 5: leopard is a fundamental big cat all over Africa. So

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Speaker 5: you see leopard skins representing the people at the highest

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Speaker 5: status in society, whether it's kings, chiefs, the spiritual leaders, elders, heroes,

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Speaker 5: people who are leaders of a special ceremony or special elders.

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Speaker 5: They use the leopard skin. And this is what takes

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Speaker 5: place today. And that's one of the things that I'm

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Speaker 5: documenting in my forthcoming documentary on on on Cush. But

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Speaker 5: in addition to this, the uh you know this is

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Speaker 5: this is totally something that's not just current, but you

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Speaker 5: see it in the past. If anybody is interested, you

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Speaker 5: don't have to do much research. You're gonna go online

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02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:21,160
Speaker 5: and just putting leopard skin in and and and just

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Speaker 5: put in the tomb of King tut on Amen. On

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Speaker 5: the tomb of King tut you'll see a ceremony with

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Speaker 5: his successor performing a special ritual for the king in

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Speaker 5: the leopard skin outfit. So anyway, this is these are

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Speaker 5: traditions that go back into antiquity, but these are particular

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Speaker 5: items that come from the African continent, and so Africa

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Speaker 5: was at the center because of all these unique items

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Speaker 5: that that different nations wanted to gain access to.

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Speaker 1: Hold on the right. There. We gotta step aside a

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Speaker 1: few months when we come back. And this might be

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Speaker 1: a silly question. Why would the Citanese trade goal for weapons?

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Speaker 1: Why don't they do what this hel nations are doing?

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Speaker 1: Now you know Nizier Molly and Bikino Foster, well they

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Speaker 1: keep it themselves and to help their people. I actually

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Speaker 1: respond to that question too, and also tweet, I want

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Speaker 1: to know if the trading which you talked about, did

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Speaker 1: they trade bodies? Was there a slave trade going on

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Speaker 1: in Northern Africa? Family, you two can get in on

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Speaker 1: this conversation with our guest professor May New Mpin from

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Speaker 1: Contra Costa College in Northern California. All you have to

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning with our guest professor

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Speaker 1: May New Mpin from Contra Costa College in Northern California.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to let me just remind you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is Friday, and again the first day of spring.

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Speaker 1: By the way, invite you to join us for our

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Speaker 1: us from Baltimore City has a question for as online

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Speaker 1: one Grand Rising and Robert, you run with Pessor. I'm pim.

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Speaker 11: Grand Rising everyone, doctor Penn. What're a part of Africa?

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Speaker 11: Was Mansa Musa? From what happened to all of his wealth?

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Speaker 5: I love it? Yeah, So the great Mansi Musa, he

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Speaker 5: was the king of Mali. So this is in West Africa,

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Speaker 5: and so you have three great kingdoms or civilizations, just

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Speaker 5: Ghana and then Mali came second. And so Manson Musa

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Speaker 5: in thirteen twenty four, we know that he took a

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Speaker 5: great pilgrimage. This is one of the great trade routes.

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Speaker 5: He took a pilgrimage across the Sahara from West Africa.

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Speaker 5: And then by that time he and the leaders of

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Speaker 5: Mali they were converted to Islam. So he was going

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Speaker 5: on a pilgrimage to Mecca. And while he was traveling,

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Speaker 5: Manson Musa had elephants and camels and vast amounts of

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Speaker 5: gold and tens of thousands of people with him. But

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Speaker 5: he spent so much money, Manson Musa did. The world

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Speaker 5: was stunned that this man spent so much money, spent

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Speaker 5: so lavishly, particularly with gold, that he devalued the price

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Speaker 5: of gold for more than a decade. And Manson Musa

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Speaker 5: did a couple of interviews to explain how it is

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Speaker 5: he became king. But Manson Mussa's wealth, I'm glad you

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Speaker 5: mentioned that the wealth of Manson Musa was calculated in

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Speaker 5: twenty twelve and the estimated wealth of Mansi Musa was

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Speaker 5: four hundred billion four hundred billion dollar wealth, and that

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Speaker 5: Manson Musa is considered to be the wealthiest person in

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Speaker 5: the history of the world. And they listed about twenty

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Speaker 5: five of the most wealthy individuals of all time at

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Speaker 5: Manson Musa's number one. But what happened was the Kingdom

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Speaker 5: of Mali, which controlled gold and salt. That's what allowed

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Speaker 5: Mali to become a major power. So the golden salt

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Speaker 5: trade in West Africa was equivalent to oil today. Anybody

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Speaker 5: or any nation that was of great wealth then golden

2350
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Speaker 5: salt was at the center of it for the Africans,

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Speaker 5: and so the civilization in Mali was replaced with those

2352
02:21:32,959 --> 02:21:37,359
Speaker 5: in the civilization of Songhai. Songhai was a much bigger empire.

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Speaker 5: It would placed the leaders in Mali in the fourteen sixties,

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Speaker 5: but that entire area was destroyed by Muslims who had

2355
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:50,880
Speaker 5: come from the north. So by fifteen ninety one, the

2356
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:56,400
Speaker 5: entire area, the tire, what I would call a major

2357
02:21:56,520 --> 02:22:00,320
Speaker 5: golden age in West Africa, came to an end at

2358
02:22:00,360 --> 02:22:04,680
Speaker 5: the end of the sixteenth century, and so Mali has

2359
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:07,160
Speaker 5: never I mean Mali still a great area. I mean

2360
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:10,160
Speaker 5: there's a great city, the legendary city of Timbuk two,

2361
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:15,240
Speaker 5: which had not just the wealth you know, there's gold

2362
02:22:15,400 --> 02:22:19,320
Speaker 5: and salt, but they had the so that was taken over.

2363
02:22:19,640 --> 02:22:23,840
Speaker 5: But one of the great legacies in that entire region

2364
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:27,360
Speaker 5: is the fact that timbuck two, which was a major

2365
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:34,360
Speaker 5: trading port in Mali, it became an intellectual hub. It

2366
02:22:34,480 --> 02:22:38,080
Speaker 5: became one of the greatest learning centers of all time.

2367
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:42,439
Speaker 5: So in the time of Mansimusa, then even after Mansimosa,

2368
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:45,240
Speaker 5: the city of Mali, I'm sorry, the city of Timbuk

2369
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:50,440
Speaker 5: two was said to have twenty five thousand university students,

2370
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,720
Speaker 5: So out of one hundred thousand citizens, twenty five thousand

2371
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:56,400
Speaker 5: were a part of the university system. And they taught

2372
02:22:56,520 --> 02:23:03,359
Speaker 5: so many different things, from social law to science, geography,

2373
02:23:03,879 --> 02:23:05,680
Speaker 5: you name it. And by that time there was more

2374
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:09,000
Speaker 5: of an influence of Islam, so they talked about the Quran.

2375
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:13,000
Speaker 5: But one thing about it is that when the area

2376
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:16,800
Speaker 5: was overrun in fifteen ninety one, people took with them

2377
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 5: what was most valuable when they had to flee their homes.

2378
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:23,440
Speaker 5: And so, like you know, in certain areas we have

2379
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:28,080
Speaker 5: natural disasters in northern California here we have wildfires that

2380
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:31,160
Speaker 5: just break out and people don't have much time they

2381
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:34,760
Speaker 5: got to get out or be burned. So people take

2382
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:39,920
Speaker 5: whatever's most valuable to them. But in the West African region,

2383
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:44,080
Speaker 5: what they took that was most valuable to them were manuscripts,

2384
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:47,520
Speaker 5: and this is how we know about the high level knowledge.

2385
02:23:47,560 --> 02:23:49,920
Speaker 5: And some of these books, I mean, they are the

2386
02:23:50,120 --> 02:23:53,600
Speaker 5: size of massive encyclopedias that would be hard to lift

2387
02:23:53,959 --> 02:23:57,720
Speaker 5: for somebody that has any kind of weak hands it

2388
02:23:57,720 --> 02:24:00,000
Speaker 5: would be very or if they put those huge book

2389
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:02,240
Speaker 5: to the in a buck bat, it would definitely break

2390
02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:04,080
Speaker 5: some straps. I can tell you that right now.

2391
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:08,160
Speaker 11: So, so he did he have did he have he

2392
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:11,560
Speaker 11: didn't have no type of family or or because he

2393
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:13,000
Speaker 11: had he ruled the kingdom?

2394
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:16,879
Speaker 5: Right he did, Yes, he did.

2395
02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:21,080
Speaker 11: So, so so I'm not understanding like if this man

2396
02:24:21,240 --> 02:24:27,080
Speaker 11: had this much wealth, he didn't have no understand you say,

2397
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:30,840
Speaker 11: the Muslims from the north came down, so basically we

2398
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:33,520
Speaker 11: were fighting ourselves. We were fighting each other.

2399
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Well, doctor m Pim, Hell, that's her head, Doctorampm. You know,

2400
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, Robert, that's interesting because I know what you're

2401
02:24:51,800 --> 02:24:56,400
Speaker 1: asking about. Generational wealth. If yeah, yeah, if he was

2402
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:59,160
Speaker 1: the richest man, if he was the richest man in

2403
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:01,760
Speaker 1: the world up up to this point, he's still the richest.

2404
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Found what happened to the money? And you're asking about

2405
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:07,720
Speaker 1: did his family? What happened? So, Professor Apim, what't happened?

2406
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:13,200
Speaker 5: Can you hear me, brother Carl, Yeah, we can hear

2407
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:16,200
Speaker 5: you now, okay, yeah, but this is not something that

2408
02:25:17,240 --> 02:25:20,480
Speaker 5: just went away right away from the time of Manson

2409
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:25,360
Speaker 5: Musa until the time that the that the Golden Age

2410
02:25:25,400 --> 02:25:29,160
Speaker 5: in West Africa ended. This is I mean, uh, you know, uh,

2411
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:31,400
Speaker 5: this is more than two centuries later.

2412
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that call dropped again. But

2413
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 1: that's a great question, by the way, Robert, because you know,

2414
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I've always thought about that because one of the things

2415
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:48,680
Speaker 1: we talked about the modern day, you know, the modern

2416
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:52,320
Speaker 1: times and generational wealth. We somehow, you know, we failed

2417
02:25:52,360 --> 02:25:53,879
Speaker 1: to pass it on to generations.

2418
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:56,240
Speaker 11: If he had he had all these people.

2419
02:25:56,760 --> 02:25:57,800
Speaker 8: Uh, And.

2420
02:26:02,440 --> 02:26:06,400
Speaker 1: Robert Scott the twelve can you hear me now? Yeah,

2421
02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:07,960
Speaker 1: I can hear now, twelve away from the top of

2422
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:10,240
Speaker 1: the hour, all right, yeah, So.

2423
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:15,200
Speaker 5: But Masson Musa in the people of Malli didn't just

2424
02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:17,520
Speaker 5: lose their wealth right away. I mean, they were still

2425
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:20,800
Speaker 5: very wealthy, very powerful. And this is a third He

2426
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 5: passed in the thirteen thirties, and the legacy of Manson

2427
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:29,440
Speaker 5: Moosa was so powerful that even four decades after he

2428
02:26:29,560 --> 02:26:33,600
Speaker 5: passed away, the Spanish created a map of how they

2429
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:37,000
Speaker 5: saw West Africa. This is a map in thirteen seventy five.

2430
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,320
Speaker 5: The decades later Masson Moosa had already passed.

2431
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve away from the top of the And before

2432
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:48,800
Speaker 1: we left there with some some folks wanted to had

2433
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,440
Speaker 1: two questions for you. One was did they trade bodies

2434
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:55,119
Speaker 1: in the trading area? But you mentioned where their slaves.

2435
02:26:55,360 --> 02:26:58,760
Speaker 5: Did they trade people, No, but there was a slave

2436
02:26:59,400 --> 02:27:01,400
Speaker 5: that There was no slave trade. There might have been

2437
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:06,000
Speaker 5: prisoners of war, but definitely no slave The trading of

2438
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:11,080
Speaker 5: bodies that started when foreigners came. So when the Arabs

2439
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:15,240
Speaker 5: when they invaded East Africa, then you have trading in

2440
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:19,480
Speaker 5: human beings. When Europeans invaded in East Africa, then you

2441
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 5: have a When Europeans came in West Africa, then you

2442
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:26,720
Speaker 5: have a trading in human beings. And Arabs invaded in

2443
02:27:27,160 --> 02:27:29,440
Speaker 5: East Africa, then you have a trading in human beings.

2444
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:32,080
Speaker 5: So a lot of the books or people just assumed

2445
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:36,400
Speaker 5: they were trading gold and ivory and salt and slaves.

2446
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:39,240
Speaker 5: Not at all. There's no slave trade. There were people

2447
02:27:39,360 --> 02:27:43,119
Speaker 5: who may have been prisoners of war, but those prisoners

2448
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:47,039
Speaker 5: of war could even integrate into the family, so there's

2449
02:27:47,080 --> 02:27:51,240
Speaker 5: no slavery at all. This is a misrepresentation that is

2450
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:55,120
Speaker 5: common if people are just reading an average book, they

2451
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:58,520
Speaker 5: just throw all that in there because they're eliminating the

2452
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:00,440
Speaker 5: time frame. We have to look at things in a

2453
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:04,920
Speaker 5: chronological manner. The trading in human beings that comes much

2454
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:09,280
Speaker 5: much later. You don't find that an indigenous African cultures

2455
02:28:09,320 --> 02:28:13,520
Speaker 5: and civilizations at all until either the Arabs as I mentioned,

2456
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:16,240
Speaker 5: introduced it in East Africa, and there was a trading

2457
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:19,360
Speaker 5: in Africans from East Africa going to to to Arab

2458
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:23,240
Speaker 5: lands to the east, or Europeans who began to enslave

2459
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,400
Speaker 5: Africans and put them on ships and bring them to

2460
02:28:25,520 --> 02:28:29,040
Speaker 5: the West. But there's no trading in slaves at all.

2461
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:31,240
Speaker 5: And that's one of the things that we know because

2462
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:35,920
Speaker 5: of the records, even from foreigners. Even foreigners did not

2463
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:38,440
Speaker 5: write about that. They wrote the opposite, and that was

2464
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:41,920
Speaker 5: the high level of respect for humanity, uh that was

2465
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:45,640
Speaker 5: found in uh. In East Africa, for example, you have

2466
02:28:45,959 --> 02:28:49,480
Speaker 5: uh uh you know some Arabs. For you have Arab

2467
02:28:49,560 --> 02:28:52,800
Speaker 5: writers that were not happy to see women uh who

2468
02:28:52,920 --> 02:28:55,920
Speaker 5: were around and who were not fully dressed and uh

2469
02:28:56,680 --> 02:29:01,320
Speaker 5: the you know and covered from here to toe. That's

2470
02:29:01,400 --> 02:29:05,160
Speaker 5: not African culture. So no African women didn't cover up

2471
02:29:05,240 --> 02:29:08,520
Speaker 5: like that. And so yet Arabs complaining about that, but

2472
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:12,760
Speaker 5: also making important comments about the high level of justice

2473
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:16,000
Speaker 5: that a foreigner who they didn't know could leave items

2474
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:19,960
Speaker 5: and and and and go somewhere else and come back

2475
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:23,160
Speaker 5: and nobody would touch their items. But that's what we

2476
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:26,840
Speaker 5: hear about, but there's certainly no trading in human beings

2477
02:29:27,240 --> 02:29:30,200
Speaker 5: that did not exist, but one thing, but one thing

2478
02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:33,199
Speaker 5: is common, and we see this going back to antiquity.

2479
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:35,240
Speaker 5: In fact, we see this as one of the oldest

2480
02:29:35,320 --> 02:29:40,680
Speaker 5: records dealing with African kingship. And there's a there's an

2481
02:29:40,879 --> 02:29:44,640
Speaker 5: artifact that is in the University of Chicago. It's the

2482
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:49,240
Speaker 5: incense burner that documents the kingdom of tat Seti, which

2483
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:54,080
Speaker 5: was on the which was in southern Egypt northern Sudan.

2484
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:56,879
Speaker 5: And this is a fifty four hundred or or at

2485
02:29:56,959 --> 02:30:00,680
Speaker 5: least fifty at least fifty three hundred year old artifact.

2486
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:03,840
Speaker 5: And you see not only a king on his throne

2487
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:08,000
Speaker 5: but in a in another boat. On this incense burner,

2488
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:11,480
Speaker 5: you see the classic image of a bound captive, not

2489
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:15,200
Speaker 5: a slave, but a bound captive, who is who's held

2490
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:20,280
Speaker 5: captive during war and nobody was forced to work and

2491
02:30:20,440 --> 02:30:23,760
Speaker 5: to be brutalized and dehumanized and made to build wealth

2492
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:26,280
Speaker 5: for somebody else. We don't find that at all, but

2493
02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:29,960
Speaker 5: you do see the classic bound captive, and that is

2494
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:34,200
Speaker 5: simply the individual who who is with a group that

2495
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:37,400
Speaker 5: lost a war or lost a battle, so they're they're

2496
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:41,040
Speaker 5: held captive, so that you see. But that's completely and

2497
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:46,160
Speaker 5: absolutely different, totally different, fundamentally different than somebody being enslaved

2498
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:50,320
Speaker 5: and then made to work to build wealth and some

2499
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:54,480
Speaker 5: uh made to work for no pay to build to

2500
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:57,600
Speaker 5: build wealth in somebody else's kingdom that we do not see.

2501
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:02,480
Speaker 5: So no, there is no slavery. So Mansi Musa again, uh,

2502
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:06,080
Speaker 5: this is years, this is centuries later. You know, things

2503
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:10,360
Speaker 5: change in the world. But centuries later Mali now is

2504
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:13,520
Speaker 5: not in charge, and then even the great Songhai Empire

2505
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:18,240
Speaker 5: is eventually overthrown. Things happened. Groups come in, they have interest,

2506
02:31:18,320 --> 02:31:21,800
Speaker 5: they have motives, they have weapons of war to take

2507
02:31:22,320 --> 02:31:27,039
Speaker 5: what they don't have. So and the people in Mali today,

2508
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:32,600
Speaker 5: the oral historians, they acknowledged the great wealth of Manson

2509
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 5: Musa and his older brother of Bubukhari the second. So

2510
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:40,840
Speaker 5: Mansi Musa doesn't become king until his older brother of

2511
02:31:40,920 --> 02:31:45,279
Speaker 5: Bubakar the second went on a legendary voyage to the west.

2512
02:31:45,800 --> 02:31:50,560
Speaker 5: So in thirteen twelve of Bubakhari he takes the voyage

2513
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:53,840
Speaker 5: we're told with four thousand sorry, with two thousand ships,

2514
02:31:54,320 --> 02:31:57,840
Speaker 5: first four hundred ships and then two thousand ships of

2515
02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 5: Bubukhari takes off, and and and and and goes west.

2516
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,959
Speaker 5: And when a Bubakari leaves the great Kingdom of Mali,

2517
02:32:07,360 --> 02:32:10,080
Speaker 5: sitting on all this well, he then gives a throne

2518
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:12,720
Speaker 5: to his younger brother, the great Mansi musa.

2519
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:17,040
Speaker 1: If shicks away from the top. And the other question

2520
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,760
Speaker 1: they asked about was the Citanese. Why would the Citanese

2521
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:21,039
Speaker 1: and trade gold for weapons?

2522
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:24,400
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, brother Carl.

2523
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:28,320
Speaker 1: The other question the Citanese. Why would the Citanese, yeah,

2524
02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:31,560
Speaker 1: trade trade their gold for weapons? What's going on there?

2525
02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:36,240
Speaker 5: Okay, brother Carl, I forgot what program it was. I

2526
02:32:36,320 --> 02:32:38,360
Speaker 5: got to check the other program. Okay. So here's the

2527
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:42,680
Speaker 5: issue the in Sudan, where I've spent a lot of

2528
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:48,120
Speaker 5: time in Sudan, you have the indigenous African Sudanese, and

2529
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:53,600
Speaker 5: then you have the group that are are as a euphemism,

2530
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:54,320
Speaker 5: as a kind.

2531
02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I try to hold that thought right there, because we've

2532
02:33:02,480 --> 02:33:05,440
Speaker 1: got a step aside so our stations can identify themselves

2533
02:33:05,480 --> 02:33:07,800
Speaker 1: down the line. Family, I guess it's Professor May new

2534
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:11,280
Speaker 1: and Pin from Contracosta College in Northern California. It's giving

2535
02:33:11,360 --> 02:33:13,800
Speaker 1: us a history what's going on in that era that

2536
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:15,640
Speaker 1: now that's in the news, you know, the streets of

2537
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:20,279
Speaker 1: home mows all that. Some people call it north West Africa,

2538
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:22,600
Speaker 1: but then they're reading it title it and called it

2539
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the Middle East, but that's not what it real is.

2540
02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:27,680
Speaker 1: It is still Africa and running. What happened to our

2541
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 1: ancestors who used to be there, you know, replaced by

2542
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Arabs and all this infighting. This is what Professor Ampinn

2543
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:35,240
Speaker 1: is given, laying the groundwork for us to understand what's

2544
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:37,200
Speaker 1: happening right now. You got a question for him, You

2545
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:39,320
Speaker 1: can reach us at eight hundred four or five zero

2546
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:42,200
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls

2547
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:44,840
Speaker 1: next and grand rising family of thanks for staying with

2548
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:47,400
Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning, this last day of winter.

2549
02:33:48,440 --> 02:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Folks out in the West, it's already summertime there. They're

2550
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:53,600
Speaker 1: in the nineties on a daily basis, So hopefully it

2551
02:33:53,640 --> 02:33:56,280
Speaker 1: gets start getting warm and starting from tomorrow, I guess

2552
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:59,000
Speaker 1: this Professor may New m. Pinn, Pfessa Ampim and teachers

2553
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:02,920
Speaker 1: a Contracosta College out in northern California, and before we

2554
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:05,959
Speaker 1: were left, is explaining to us what's happening in the Sedan.

2555
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:07,760
Speaker 1: As we're going to tell us some more about these

2556
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:11,520
Speaker 1: trading the era that's in the news right now. Our

2557
02:34:11,560 --> 02:34:13,360
Speaker 1: folks used to be there and they changed the name

2558
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:15,160
Speaker 1: and call it the Middle East, and it's not in

2559
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:18,000
Speaker 1: the East, it's not in the Middle But anyway, Professor

2560
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:20,600
Speaker 1: MPM the Citdanese, why would the Citdanese, that's one of

2561
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,360
Speaker 1: the questions that came in for you. Why would they

2562
02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:24,520
Speaker 1: trade gold of all things for guns?

2563
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:29,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, a good question. Well, since since the war broke out,

2564
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:32,760
Speaker 5: the civil war in Sudan, it broke out in April

2565
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty three, and before that there was a

2566
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:42,040
Speaker 5: peopled revolution. So in twenty nineteen, a few years earlier,

2567
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:46,680
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, the people is the popular uprising. They

2568
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:50,720
Speaker 5: removed Omar by Shir from power and Obar and Bashir

2569
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:56,560
Speaker 5: was a thirty year dictator and for him, he's clearly African,

2570
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:02,080
Speaker 5: but he considers himself Arab and so for him, he

2571
02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:06,440
Speaker 5: didn't really have any respect for the indigenous other Sudanese.

2572
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:12,840
Speaker 5: So he empowered a group in West Sudan, some of

2573
02:35:12,920 --> 02:35:16,320
Speaker 5: them are in the neighboring country of Chad. And these

2574
02:35:16,480 --> 02:35:20,680
Speaker 5: people he called them the Rapid Support Forces. So these

2575
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:25,640
Speaker 5: people along with people in the military. They hijacked the

2576
02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:31,680
Speaker 5: people's revolution in Sudan and took over the revolution and

2577
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:34,360
Speaker 5: never gave it over to what they what they said

2578
02:35:34,360 --> 02:35:36,120
Speaker 5: they were going to do, which was to give it

2579
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:39,720
Speaker 5: over to the revolution, to civilian rule, and that's why

2580
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,960
Speaker 5: the people rose up. So now what we have is

2581
02:35:43,080 --> 02:35:48,320
Speaker 5: a civil war between the Sudanese army and the instead

2582
02:35:48,320 --> 02:35:51,879
Speaker 5: of the rapid support forces the people in Sudan. They

2583
02:35:51,959 --> 02:35:55,080
Speaker 5: don't see the people as the rapid support forces who

2584
02:35:55,320 --> 02:36:01,480
Speaker 5: bashir empowered. They called them the jingueat the Gingweek in

2585
02:36:01,640 --> 02:36:06,960
Speaker 5: Arabic means devils on horseback literally devils on horseback, and

2586
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:13,080
Speaker 5: the Gingerweek they consider themselves and call themselves Arab. If

2587
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:16,720
Speaker 5: you look at the Gingerweek, some of them are, in fact,

2588
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:22,120
Speaker 5: phenotypically their physical appearance is Arab. However, a vast number

2589
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:26,720
Speaker 5: of them in no way do they appear or look Arab,

2590
02:36:26,879 --> 02:36:29,840
Speaker 5: or some of them have no real genetic times to

2591
02:36:29,959 --> 02:36:35,680
Speaker 5: being Arab. But because they speak Arabic and they practice Islam,

2592
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:39,840
Speaker 5: and they want to be in power, so they just

2593
02:36:39,959 --> 02:36:43,480
Speaker 5: call themselves and consider themselves to be to be Arab.

2594
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:49,880
Speaker 5: So the Arabs, the Arabs literally are attacking the people

2595
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:53,800
Speaker 5: that they call these the black skinned Africans, and the

2596
02:36:53,959 --> 02:36:58,039
Speaker 5: Arabs are so disrespectful with no respect for the indigenous

2597
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:02,400
Speaker 5: black skinned Africans, like the mas Elite, the mas Elite,

2598
02:37:02,480 --> 02:37:06,320
Speaker 5: the four the different Indigenous African groups in Sedan are

2599
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:12,440
Speaker 5: being attacked by the vicious Gingwea. So we have to

2600
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:15,080
Speaker 5: look at the fact that these people are taking the

2601
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,920
Speaker 5: land from the Indigenous Africans, killing the Indigenous Africans, and

2602
02:37:19,879 --> 02:37:26,560
Speaker 5: they are so disdainful of these Africans. Uh they call

2603
02:37:26,680 --> 02:37:32,120
Speaker 5: them Zergaga is a term that means blue, but what

2604
02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:36,760
Speaker 5: they're referring to is the blue black skin color. It's

2605
02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:39,960
Speaker 5: a derogatory term to call them erga, but that's what

2606
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:45,480
Speaker 5: the Gingerweat called them. And the gingerweek are genocidal maniacs

2607
02:37:45,879 --> 02:37:49,640
Speaker 5: who not only want to kill off the Indigenous Africans,

2608
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:54,520
Speaker 5: but take their land and replace them genetically and literally

2609
02:37:54,840 --> 02:37:59,760
Speaker 5: so that the next generations will be nothing but absurd Gingueat.

2610
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:04,480
Speaker 5: And so why would the ginger we be partnering up

2611
02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:08,680
Speaker 5: with the United Arab Emirates so that they can obtain

2612
02:38:08,879 --> 02:38:14,720
Speaker 5: weapons in order to fight and overthrow indigenous African groups

2613
02:38:15,400 --> 02:38:18,720
Speaker 5: and take their land. So that's really what's happening. So

2614
02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:22,760
Speaker 5: it's not so we have to be more detailed. The

2615
02:38:23,080 --> 02:38:29,000
Speaker 5: Ginger we they're not regular Sudanese. These are genocidal murderers

2616
02:38:29,560 --> 02:38:32,240
Speaker 5: who are in cohoots with the UAE so that they

2617
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:37,960
Speaker 5: can get weapons in the UAE, These vicious criminals. These

2618
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:42,680
Speaker 5: criminals simply want the resources and the gold, and they

2619
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:46,000
Speaker 5: can care less of how many Africans die in this

2620
02:38:46,200 --> 02:38:51,200
Speaker 5: outrageous campaign to wipe out, to literally wipe out and

2621
02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:54,200
Speaker 5: kill Africans. So this is why we can say that

2622
02:38:54,280 --> 02:38:56,640
Speaker 5: we're all of the problems that are taking place, and

2623
02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:59,640
Speaker 5: there are many of them. This has to be I

2624
02:38:59,720 --> 02:39:01,480
Speaker 5: know it's hard to rank, but this has to be

2625
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:06,560
Speaker 5: the worst of the crisis because it's not just taking land,

2626
02:39:06,680 --> 02:39:09,560
Speaker 5: but it's to kill off all of them and to

2627
02:39:09,800 --> 02:39:14,280
Speaker 5: genetically replace them with a new generation of gingueat. So

2628
02:39:14,440 --> 02:39:16,560
Speaker 5: this is why. Now the people of Sudan, let's be

2629
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:20,240
Speaker 5: very clear. Obviously they do not they do not support

2630
02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:23,200
Speaker 5: the Ginger Weeat the so called rapids support forces, but

2631
02:39:23,360 --> 02:39:26,119
Speaker 5: they also do not support the army. The army also

2632
02:39:26,400 --> 02:39:30,240
Speaker 5: hijack the people's revolutions. Now, they do want the gingu

2633
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:34,320
Speaker 5: weeat defeated yeah, So the people of Sudan want the

2634
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:39,520
Speaker 5: gingu Weet defeated because these are the wild genocidalists, and

2635
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:42,480
Speaker 5: the army has to do that. But the bottom mind

2636
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:44,960
Speaker 5: is that people don't really support the army, but the

2637
02:39:45,160 --> 02:39:49,080
Speaker 5: army is more equipped to take down the ginger Weey.

2638
02:39:49,400 --> 02:39:51,400
Speaker 5: So that's what's happening there. And then you know, all

2639
02:39:51,440 --> 02:39:56,760
Speaker 5: of my adopted family have been displaced from Sudan and

2640
02:39:56,840 --> 02:40:00,120
Speaker 5: they're in different countries. But some people have tried to

2641
02:40:00,200 --> 02:40:03,600
Speaker 5: come back to Sedan, but it's very difficult because you

2642
02:40:03,720 --> 02:40:06,920
Speaker 5: still have a major rebuilding process just to try to

2643
02:40:07,560 --> 02:40:10,520
Speaker 5: to live and to get on with life and uh

2644
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:13,000
Speaker 5: and so I don't think many are gonna come back

2645
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:16,320
Speaker 5: because it's just not practical. So that's what's happening. You've

2646
02:40:16,320 --> 02:40:19,119
Speaker 5: got the gingerwee who if you see pictures of them,

2647
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:21,560
Speaker 5: some are fundamentally ara Up, no question about it. But

2648
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:25,680
Speaker 5: others are fundamentally Africans in their pheno type and and

2649
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:29,480
Speaker 5: and even some of them are so crazy that they

2650
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,360
Speaker 5: will make up a fake family background in order to

2651
02:40:32,600 --> 02:40:36,600
Speaker 5: fit in with the other gingerweek So this is that's

2652
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:40,560
Speaker 5: why the folks don't mind killing the so called Zerga

2653
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:45,000
Speaker 5: in order to get weapons because they they don't see

2654
02:40:45,080 --> 02:40:48,360
Speaker 5: the Africans as human anyway, and that's that's how they

2655
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:48,840
Speaker 5: look at it.

2656
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Six after the top of the family with the Professor

2657
02:40:52,200 --> 02:40:55,800
Speaker 1: Main new wampin professional Pen the Nile River that's such

2658
02:40:56,000 --> 02:41:00,720
Speaker 1: a huge artery on the continent with very any was

2659
02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:04,560
Speaker 1: that used during these are trading issues that were going on.

2660
02:41:05,879 --> 02:41:08,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's like you say, it's one of

2661
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:11,240
Speaker 5: the great thoroughfares. That now river is the longest river

2662
02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:13,959
Speaker 5: in the world, more than forty one hundred miles long.

2663
02:41:14,480 --> 02:41:19,040
Speaker 5: And we see great trade along the Nile, and the

2664
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:25,440
Speaker 5: greatest records that we see are really the depictions in tombs,

2665
02:41:25,480 --> 02:41:29,000
Speaker 5: for example, in Kimmitt, I mean the written text, yes,

2666
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:32,520
Speaker 5: but you see these great depictions, and that's how we

2667
02:41:32,760 --> 02:41:37,160
Speaker 5: know that the people of classical Kimmot, so called ancient Egypt,

2668
02:41:37,400 --> 02:41:39,920
Speaker 5: that they were trading up south, not down south, but

2669
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:42,640
Speaker 5: up south, because the mountains and hills are in the south,

2670
02:41:43,080 --> 02:41:49,240
Speaker 5: and you have Africans from the southern areas from cush

2671
02:41:49,800 --> 02:41:59,200
Speaker 5: trading in panthers, elephants, giraffes, monkeys, leopard skin. You see

2672
02:41:59,240 --> 02:42:02,280
Speaker 5: them bringing about wounds, You see them bringing a lot

2673
02:42:02,360 --> 02:42:07,000
Speaker 5: of things that are fundamentally African, and they're bringing these

2674
02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:12,480
Speaker 5: important trading items and there's peaceful exchange. There's peaceful exchange

2675
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:16,680
Speaker 5: between the people in Kimmit or ancient Egypt with the

2676
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:20,120
Speaker 5: Africans to the south. Now, most people will just write

2677
02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:24,720
Speaker 5: and say that these are Southerners or so called nightlotis

2678
02:42:24,760 --> 02:42:26,320
Speaker 5: what do you mean, night locks? They all are from

2679
02:42:26,360 --> 02:42:29,879
Speaker 5: the Nile. But this was a great thoroughfare of trade.

2680
02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:34,120
Speaker 5: And we see great episodes of the trade. For example,

2681
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:38,440
Speaker 5: we see Queen Hatchabst in her one of her great temples,

2682
02:42:38,480 --> 02:42:42,879
Speaker 5: her mortuary temple near the Valley of the Kings. Queen

2683
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:47,000
Speaker 5: Hashapsht lays out the details of going to the south,

2684
02:42:47,640 --> 02:42:50,280
Speaker 5: and she's not just going along Denial, which was a

2685
02:42:50,360 --> 02:42:54,039
Speaker 5: major thoroughfare, but they also use the Red Sea. They

2686
02:42:54,200 --> 02:42:58,360
Speaker 5: use the Red Sea, and so in Hassipset's temple, you

2687
02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:00,960
Speaker 5: don't see them going to a through the Holy Land,

2688
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:04,160
Speaker 5: a place that they call Punt. Punt was what was

2689
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:07,879
Speaker 5: called God's Land or the Holy Land. So you see

2690
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:11,200
Speaker 5: so you don't see in the images of them going

2691
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:13,920
Speaker 5: to Punt, but you see them coming back. You see

2692
02:43:13,959 --> 02:43:16,920
Speaker 5: the king and Queen of the Land of Punt and

2693
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:19,080
Speaker 5: you see all of the items that are being traded,

2694
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:22,280
Speaker 5: and the thing that stands out as the most important

2695
02:43:22,400 --> 02:43:24,680
Speaker 5: and the most abundant of all of the items that

2696
02:43:24,760 --> 02:43:28,160
Speaker 5: they're bringing back from Punt is just tons of gold.

2697
02:43:28,360 --> 02:43:31,800
Speaker 5: I mean, you see piles and piles and piles of gold,

2698
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:35,240
Speaker 5: and you clear and you can see that this is

2699
02:43:35,360 --> 02:43:38,040
Speaker 5: right on the water a lot of the locations that

2700
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:40,280
Speaker 5: they went to trade with, and it was not a

2701
02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:44,640
Speaker 5: military operation but a peaceful trading operation. And this is

2702
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:48,280
Speaker 5: thirty five hundred years ago, three thousand, five hundred years ago,

2703
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:52,440
Speaker 5: had Queen Hastership lays it all out, but not only that,

2704
02:43:52,600 --> 02:43:55,840
Speaker 5: before hanshterphit. One of the most important things that people

2705
02:43:55,879 --> 02:43:59,600
Speaker 5: should know is that forty two hundred years ago, this

2706
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:05,440
Speaker 5: is before hatches. There's a tomb in Kimmi in the

2707
02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:10,040
Speaker 5: area of Asuan, and it's a tomb of Harcoof. Harcoff

2708
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:15,000
Speaker 5: makes one of the most important historical journeys ever because

2709
02:44:15,080 --> 02:44:19,240
Speaker 5: Harcoof took four voyages to the south, to the southern areas.

2710
02:44:19,879 --> 02:44:23,240
Speaker 5: He takes these four voyages, he's trading.

2711
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:24,800
Speaker 4: Well.

2712
02:44:24,840 --> 02:44:28,240
Speaker 5: One of the most important things that Harcoof does is

2713
02:44:28,320 --> 02:44:32,800
Speaker 5: that as he's taking these voyages. King Peppi the Second

2714
02:44:33,400 --> 02:44:38,400
Speaker 5: learns about Harcoff's voyages and sends him a letter. And

2715
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:40,680
Speaker 5: in the letter, the king this is the end of

2716
02:44:40,760 --> 02:44:43,360
Speaker 5: the sixth Dynasties, so we're talking about forty two hundred

2717
02:44:43,400 --> 02:44:47,040
Speaker 5: years ago. King Peppi the Second sends a letter to

2718
02:44:47,160 --> 02:44:49,680
Speaker 5: Harcoof to say, when you go to those areas again,

2719
02:44:50,240 --> 02:44:55,040
Speaker 5: bring back a small stature ding d e n g.

2720
02:44:55,640 --> 02:44:58,920
Speaker 5: Bring back a ding, because nothing makes the pharaoh's heart

2721
02:44:59,080 --> 02:45:03,080
Speaker 5: more lad than a ding, because only the small statue

2722
02:45:03,080 --> 02:45:06,520
Speaker 5: of people could sing the certain the sacred songs and

2723
02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:11,000
Speaker 5: do the sacred dance. So the king tells Harkoff to

2724
02:45:11,160 --> 02:45:15,000
Speaker 5: bring this man back and put worthy men around him

2725
02:45:15,400 --> 02:45:18,080
Speaker 5: when he's on deck to make sure he does not

2726
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:21,920
Speaker 5: fall into the water, and when he sleeps, put worthy

2727
02:45:22,040 --> 02:45:24,800
Speaker 5: men to sleep around him in the tent and inspect

2728
02:45:24,920 --> 02:45:28,720
Speaker 5: on him ten times during the night. And this man

2729
02:45:29,360 --> 02:45:35,520
Speaker 5: was an important diplomat that came from the from God's Land,

2730
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,760
Speaker 5: from the southern area. So they're not just trading items,

2731
02:45:38,840 --> 02:45:41,560
Speaker 5: but they're bringing back one of the most important diplomats

2732
02:45:42,480 --> 02:45:45,920
Speaker 5: on record. He's not looked at as some odd person,

2733
02:45:45,959 --> 02:45:51,480
Speaker 5: you know, ding. We're talking about the the aka, the bakua,

2734
02:45:51,720 --> 02:45:54,280
Speaker 5: the sign. These people are four foot eight four foot ten.

2735
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:58,200
Speaker 5: These represent literally the first homo safety safety is they're

2736
02:45:58,200 --> 02:46:01,640
Speaker 5: the ones closest to the original homo safety and safeties.

2737
02:46:01,640 --> 02:46:05,160
Speaker 5: And what we learned from them in antiquity, from the

2738
02:46:05,280 --> 02:46:11,000
Speaker 5: records of Hardcoop and even now is their sense of ethics,

2739
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:15,920
Speaker 5: their sense of also not just having ethical practices and

2740
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:20,480
Speaker 5: standards and guidelines, but also the ecological laws. So for

2741
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:24,000
Speaker 5: them doing to natures as you would have nature do

2742
02:46:24,120 --> 02:46:26,400
Speaker 5: on to you. These are the people that taught us

2743
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:28,880
Speaker 5: what it meant to be human. These are the oldest

2744
02:46:29,440 --> 02:46:33,439
Speaker 5: human beings and they were given the utmost respect in antiquity.

2745
02:46:33,959 --> 02:46:37,280
Speaker 5: Now people will think like colonists and call them a

2746
02:46:37,400 --> 02:46:42,840
Speaker 5: so called a pigmy or something ridiculous like that, and

2747
02:46:43,000 --> 02:46:45,760
Speaker 5: many people think that way now. But these are the

2748
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:49,879
Speaker 5: people who still practice their harmonies lifewives. They're the ones

2749
02:46:49,959 --> 02:46:52,440
Speaker 5: that taught us how to live in harmony with each

2750
02:46:52,480 --> 02:46:55,920
Speaker 5: other and with the environment around them. So they taught

2751
02:46:56,000 --> 02:47:00,640
Speaker 5: us what an egalitarian society is really about. Society where

2752
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:04,120
Speaker 5: there was no hierarchy, no chiefs, no kings, nothing like that.

2753
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:10,320
Speaker 5: Everyone is a part of a communal environment, so they practiced.

2754
02:47:10,360 --> 02:47:14,280
Speaker 5: They gave us the practice, not just the theoretical idea,

2755
02:47:14,400 --> 02:47:19,520
Speaker 5: but the practice of communalism. And from communalism, Karl Marx

2756
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:22,920
Speaker 5: and Ingles, they get the idea of communism, which is

2757
02:47:22,959 --> 02:47:26,360
Speaker 5: supposed to be a perfect society where everybody has equal

2758
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:30,200
Speaker 5: shares of everything. The Europeans didn't just come up with

2759
02:47:30,400 --> 02:47:33,840
Speaker 5: this for many examples in Europe. No, And they didn't

2760
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:36,720
Speaker 5: come up with it in their studies where they just

2761
02:47:36,840 --> 02:47:41,640
Speaker 5: came up with some fantastical idea. No, they studied these

2762
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:46,960
Speaker 5: traditional African cultures. So the Dean and Antiquity coming from

2763
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:50,320
Speaker 5: an area where people have taught us exactly what it

2764
02:47:50,440 --> 02:47:54,560
Speaker 5: meant to be human on a very sophisticated level, living

2765
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:57,720
Speaker 5: in great harmony. But these groups are still around today.

2766
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:00,720
Speaker 5: That's what's so special about the records of Heart and

2767
02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:04,000
Speaker 5: how these people were treated, how were how they were depicted,

2768
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:07,680
Speaker 5: and Hardcoof made sure that in his text on his

2769
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:12,480
Speaker 5: tomb and Askwan that Uh, there's a whole letter that

2770
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:15,880
Speaker 5: he includes in his autobiographical text to talk about the

2771
02:48:15,959 --> 02:48:19,640
Speaker 5: importance of the Dean and how this man was a

2772
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:23,880
Speaker 5: very very special diplomat but the trade was items. But

2773
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:28,039
Speaker 5: also Uh, this man was brought back as he's not captured,

2774
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:30,800
Speaker 5: he's not kidnapped. He's not captured. He's not adult nap either.

2775
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:34,360
Speaker 5: He's coming as a very very important diplomat because he

2776
02:48:35,080 --> 02:48:37,879
Speaker 5: is the one who comes from the land of the gods,

2777
02:48:38,120 --> 02:48:41,240
Speaker 5: the holy land as they call it. They called it, uh,

2778
02:48:41,879 --> 02:48:44,119
Speaker 5: the land of punt Yeah.

2779
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Asking this, Yeah, let me ask you this, though, professor.

2780
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:52,080
Speaker 1: Are they still around it? They exist in their communities?

2781
02:48:52,680 --> 02:48:54,760
Speaker 1: Is he kind of akin to when you what you

2782
02:48:54,840 --> 02:48:56,760
Speaker 1: told us when you went to the Omo Valley where

2783
02:48:56,800 --> 02:48:59,040
Speaker 1: the people are still living back in the back in

2784
02:48:59,120 --> 02:49:01,960
Speaker 1: the time, back when you know, before all this modern

2785
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:05,160
Speaker 1: stuff is around, and they still live in the dang people,

2786
02:49:05,160 --> 02:49:07,480
Speaker 1: the people as you just told about the shot, Are

2787
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:08,560
Speaker 1: they still around.

2788
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:14,760
Speaker 5: No, not in the Olmo Valley, These these small stature

2789
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:18,960
Speaker 5: of people. Uh, it's a good question where they live today.

2790
02:49:19,959 --> 02:49:23,400
Speaker 5: Across the board. They live in places of refuge, places

2791
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:26,879
Speaker 5: of safety, and places of hiding. So they live in rainforests.

2792
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:30,560
Speaker 5: Nobody dares to go into the rainforest because you won't survive.

2793
02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:34,840
Speaker 5: It's very difficult in the rainforest. But that's where they live.

2794
02:49:35,320 --> 02:49:39,000
Speaker 5: Like the the Efe, Thembhuti, they live in the rainforest,

2795
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:43,640
Speaker 5: or they live in desert environments like the sun or

2796
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:47,080
Speaker 5: the Koi. They live in like the Kalahari desert for example,

2797
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:51,240
Speaker 5: places of refuse, places of hiding, places of safety. They

2798
02:49:51,320 --> 02:49:54,760
Speaker 5: live in island environments, but they live in remote areas

2799
02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:58,600
Speaker 5: because they've never fought any wars. They're not aggressive, and

2800
02:49:58,760 --> 02:50:02,760
Speaker 5: they don't survive. They don't do well among the more

2801
02:50:02,920 --> 02:50:07,720
Speaker 5: aggressive and larger groups. So even Africans, even Africans, have

2802
02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:11,800
Speaker 5: not treated them well, and they've taken on the western

2803
02:50:11,879 --> 02:50:17,560
Speaker 5: colonial view that these people are somehow, you know, less dead,

2804
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:20,400
Speaker 5: they're not quite like us. Look how small they are.

2805
02:50:20,840 --> 02:50:25,720
Speaker 5: And yes, Africans typically think that way in villages because

2806
02:50:25,800 --> 02:50:29,520
Speaker 5: they take on the mentality of the outrageous outsiders. But

2807
02:50:29,640 --> 02:50:32,360
Speaker 5: these small status of people you will only see, Okay. Now,

2808
02:50:32,400 --> 02:50:36,280
Speaker 5: you might see some in some city environments because as

2809
02:50:36,400 --> 02:50:40,000
Speaker 5: their areas are becoming smaller and smaller, because you have

2810
02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:46,000
Speaker 5: timber companies that are chopping down trees and reducing their

2811
02:50:46,120 --> 02:50:50,640
Speaker 5: home environment, some of them try to survive. You may

2812
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:52,800
Speaker 5: see some of them in villages. Now you may see

2813
02:50:52,840 --> 02:50:56,720
Speaker 5: some of them trying to operate in the monetary economy,

2814
02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:59,560
Speaker 5: which they have never had in their system. They only

2815
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:04,000
Speaker 5: deal with barter with bartering in trade, so they'll bring honey,

2816
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:08,840
Speaker 5: they'll bring uh you know, maybe monkey meat or honey

2817
02:51:09,400 --> 02:51:13,519
Speaker 5: or some other kind of rare delicatessen. And then they'll

2818
02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:18,840
Speaker 5: trade on the edge of the force with African farming communities.

2819
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:22,080
Speaker 5: But they don't do well. So that's why as a group,

2820
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:24,680
Speaker 5: you find them in the most remote area and they're

2821
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:29,320
Speaker 5: still practicing their lifeways today in the same way they've

2822
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:31,240
Speaker 5: done in the past. Now in the almost value where

2823
02:51:31,240 --> 02:51:34,680
Speaker 5: I spend a ton of time, you definitely have indigenous

2824
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:39,160
Speaker 5: groups that have been practicing their cultural life ways for

2825
02:51:40,040 --> 02:51:43,960
Speaker 5: countless and countless generations. But these are larger groups and

2826
02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:47,320
Speaker 5: they're remote. Uh you know, they're very remote groups. So

2827
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:51,320
Speaker 5: when I'm among them, for example, it's amazing how relaxed

2828
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:53,200
Speaker 5: they are. You don't see the stress.

2829
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hold felt right there, professor. We gotta step us.

2830
02:51:56,040 --> 02:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Had a few monu seventeen half the top. Then I'll

2831
02:51:57,840 --> 02:51:59,280
Speaker 1: let you coming back. And the Rick and New York

2832
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:01,480
Speaker 1: has a question. But when you come back, tell us

2833
02:52:01,480 --> 02:52:03,600
Speaker 1: about the folks in the Omo Valley what stood out?

2834
02:52:03,640 --> 02:52:06,560
Speaker 1: And then have they welcomed you as a stranger and

2835
02:52:06,680 --> 02:52:09,360
Speaker 1: what they thought about you eighteen after the top, they

2836
02:52:09,360 --> 02:52:12,240
Speaker 1: are eighteen hundred four or five zero eight hundred four

2837
02:52:12,320 --> 02:52:14,560
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six to speak to

2838
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:17,039
Speaker 1: Professor May and new Ampin we'll take your phone calls

2839
02:52:17,240 --> 02:52:19,480
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family in facts are staying with

2840
02:52:19,600 --> 02:52:22,000
Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning, this last day of winter.

2841
02:52:23,080 --> 02:52:25,240
Speaker 1: Folks out in the west, it's already summertime there. They're

2842
02:52:25,280 --> 02:52:28,240
Speaker 1: in the nineties on a daily basis, so hopefully it

2843
02:52:28,280 --> 02:52:30,880
Speaker 1: could start getting warm and starting from tomorrow, I guess

2844
02:52:30,920 --> 02:52:33,760
Speaker 1: this Professor Main new Mpin, Professa Ampim and teachers are

2845
02:52:33,800 --> 02:52:37,440
Speaker 1: contra cost to college out in northern California, and before

2846
02:52:37,480 --> 02:52:39,920
Speaker 1: we left us is explaining to us what's happening in

2847
02:52:40,040 --> 02:52:41,920
Speaker 1: the Sedan as we're going to tell us some more

2848
02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:45,400
Speaker 1: about these trading the era that's in the news right now.

2849
02:52:46,040 --> 02:52:47,800
Speaker 1: Our folks used to be there and they change their

2850
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:49,640
Speaker 1: name and call it the Middle East, and it's not

2851
02:52:49,760 --> 02:52:51,920
Speaker 1: in the East, it's not in the Middle But anyway,

2852
02:52:52,280 --> 02:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Professor Ampm, the Sudanese, why would the Sudanese, That's one

2853
02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:56,879
Speaker 1: of the questions that came in for you. Why would

2854
02:52:56,879 --> 02:52:59,119
Speaker 1: they trade gold to all things for guns.

2855
02:53:00,280 --> 02:53:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, a good question. Well, since the war broke out,

2856
02:53:04,400 --> 02:53:07,400
Speaker 5: the civil war in Sudan, it broke out in April

2857
02:53:07,440 --> 02:53:12,440
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty three, and before that there was a

2858
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:16,680
Speaker 5: peopled revolution. So in twenty nineteen, a few years earlier,

2859
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, the people is the popular uprising. They

2860
02:53:21,440 --> 02:53:26,440
Speaker 5: removed Omar Byshir from power. And Obar Bahshir was a

2861
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:32,000
Speaker 5: thirty year dictator and for him, he's clearly African, but

2862
02:53:32,360 --> 02:53:37,040
Speaker 5: he considers himself Arab and so for him, he didn't

2863
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:41,640
Speaker 5: really have any respect for the indigenous other Sudanese. So

2864
02:53:42,480 --> 02:53:47,680
Speaker 5: he empowered a group in West Sudan, some of them

2865
02:53:47,720 --> 02:53:51,400
Speaker 5: are in the neighboring country of Chad. And these people

2866
02:53:51,959 --> 02:53:55,640
Speaker 5: he called them the Rapid Support Forces. So these people,

2867
02:53:56,440 --> 02:54:00,720
Speaker 5: along with people in the military, they hijacked the people's

2868
02:54:00,760 --> 02:54:06,600
Speaker 5: revolution in Sudan and took over the revolution and never

2869
02:54:06,760 --> 02:54:09,080
Speaker 5: gave it over to what they what they said they

2870
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:10,960
Speaker 5: were going to do, which was to give it over

2871
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:14,440
Speaker 5: to the revolution to civilian rule, and that's why the

2872
02:54:14,480 --> 02:54:17,760
Speaker 5: people rose up. So now what we have is a

2873
02:54:18,040 --> 02:54:23,000
Speaker 5: civil war between the Sudanese army and the Instead of

2874
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:26,800
Speaker 5: the Rapid Support Forces, the people in Sudan. They don't

2875
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:31,280
Speaker 5: see the people as the rapid support forces who bashir empowered.

2876
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:37,039
Speaker 5: They called them the Ginguweat. The Ginguwee in Arabic means

2877
02:54:37,160 --> 02:54:42,480
Speaker 5: devils on horseback literally devils on horseback, and the ginguweek

2878
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:48,119
Speaker 5: they consider themselves and call themselves Arab. If you look

2879
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:52,519
Speaker 5: at the Ginguwee, some of them are, in fact, phenotypically

2880
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:56,840
Speaker 5: their physical appearance is Arab. However, a vast number of

2881
02:54:56,959 --> 02:55:01,360
Speaker 5: them in no way do they here or look Arab,

2882
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:04,440
Speaker 5: or some of them have no real genetic times to

2883
02:55:04,600 --> 02:55:09,800
Speaker 5: being Arab. But because they speak Arabic and they practice

2884
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:14,280
Speaker 5: Islam and they want to be in power, so they

2885
02:55:14,440 --> 02:55:18,080
Speaker 5: just call themselves and consider themselves to be to be Arab.

2886
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:24,520
Speaker 5: So the Arabs, the Arabs literally are attacking the people

2887
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:28,440
Speaker 5: that they call these the black skinned Africans, and the

2888
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:32,640
Speaker 5: Arabs are so disrespectful with no respect for the indigenous

2889
02:55:33,360 --> 02:55:37,000
Speaker 5: black skinned Africans, like the mas Elite, the mas Elite,

2890
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:40,960
Speaker 5: the four the different indigenous African groups in Sedan are

2891
02:55:41,000 --> 02:55:47,080
Speaker 5: being attacked by the vicious Ginguwy. So we have to

2892
02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:49,720
Speaker 5: look at the fact that these people are taking the

2893
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:53,560
Speaker 5: land from the indigenous Africans killing the indigenous Africans, and

2894
02:55:54,520 --> 02:56:01,200
Speaker 5: they are so disdainful of these Africans. Uh, they call

2895
02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:06,760
Speaker 5: them Zergaga is a term that means blue, but what

2896
02:56:06,879 --> 02:56:11,360
Speaker 5: they're referring to is the blue black skin color. It's

2897
02:56:11,440 --> 02:56:14,600
Speaker 5: a derogatory term to call them erga, but that's what

2898
02:56:14,760 --> 02:56:19,119
Speaker 5: the the Gingerwee called them. And the gingerweek are genocidal

2899
02:56:19,480 --> 02:56:24,280
Speaker 5: maniacs who not only want to kill off the indigenous Africans,

2900
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:29,160
Speaker 5: but take their land and replace them genetically and literally

2901
02:56:29,480 --> 02:56:34,400
Speaker 5: so that the next generations will be nothing but absurd gingueat.

2902
02:56:34,760 --> 02:56:39,200
Speaker 5: And so why would the Gingerweat be partnering up with

2903
02:56:39,320 --> 02:56:43,920
Speaker 5: the United Arab Emirates so that they can obtain weapons

2904
02:56:43,959 --> 02:56:50,080
Speaker 5: in order to fight and overthrow indigenous African groups and

2905
02:56:50,320 --> 02:56:54,119
Speaker 5: take their land. So that's really what's happening. So it's

2906
02:56:54,200 --> 02:56:58,160
Speaker 5: not so we have to be more detailed. The Gingerwey

2907
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:04,480
Speaker 5: they're not regular Sudanese. These are genocidal murderers who are

2908
02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:07,800
Speaker 5: in cohoots with the UAE so that they can get weapons.

2909
02:57:07,879 --> 02:57:14,320
Speaker 5: In the UAE, these vicious criminals. These criminals simply want

2910
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:18,119
Speaker 5: the resources and the gold, and they can care less

2911
02:57:18,200 --> 02:57:23,600
Speaker 5: of how many Africans die in this outrageous campaign to

2912
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:27,360
Speaker 5: wipe out, to literally wipe out and kill Africans. So

2913
02:57:27,480 --> 02:57:29,920
Speaker 5: this is why we can say all of the problems

2914
02:57:29,959 --> 02:57:32,280
Speaker 5: that are taking place, and there are many of them,

2915
02:57:32,920 --> 02:57:35,320
Speaker 5: this has to be I know it's hard to rank,

2916
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:38,560
Speaker 5: but this has to be the worst of the crisis

2917
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:42,120
Speaker 5: because it's not just taking land, but it's to kill

2918
02:57:42,200 --> 02:57:46,320
Speaker 5: off all of them and to genetically replace them with

2919
02:57:46,480 --> 02:57:49,760
Speaker 5: a new generation of gingery. So this is why. Now

2920
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:52,720
Speaker 5: the people today, let's be very clear, obviously they do

2921
02:57:52,879 --> 02:57:55,920
Speaker 5: not they do not support the ginger wey, the so

2922
02:57:56,080 --> 02:57:59,400
Speaker 5: called rapids support forces, but they also do not support

2923
02:57:59,440 --> 02:58:03,160
Speaker 5: the army. The army also hijack the people's revolutions. Now,

2924
02:58:03,280 --> 02:58:07,240
Speaker 5: they do want the ginger Weeak defeated. They yeah, they

2925
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:11,480
Speaker 5: So the people of Sudan want the Gingueat defeated because

2926
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:15,160
Speaker 5: these are the wild genocidalists, and the army has.

2927
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:15,520
Speaker 8: To do that.

2928
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:18,800
Speaker 5: But the bottom mind is that people don't really support

2929
02:58:18,879 --> 02:58:22,520
Speaker 5: the army, but the army is more equipped to take

2930
02:58:22,600 --> 02:58:25,640
Speaker 5: down the gingerweek So that's what's happening there. And then

2931
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:29,680
Speaker 5: you know, all of my adopted family have been displaced

2932
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:34,199
Speaker 5: from Sudan and they're in different countries. But some people

2933
02:58:34,240 --> 02:58:36,400
Speaker 5: have tried to come back to Sudan, but it's very

2934
02:58:36,480 --> 02:58:40,960
Speaker 5: difficult because you still have a major rebuilding process just

2935
02:58:41,080 --> 02:58:44,160
Speaker 5: to try to live and to get on with life

2936
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:47,080
Speaker 5: and uh and so I don't think many are going

2937
02:58:47,160 --> 02:58:50,200
Speaker 5: to come back because it's just not practical. So that's

2938
02:58:50,280 --> 02:58:53,000
Speaker 5: what's happening. You've got the gingerweak who if you see

2939
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:56,080
Speaker 5: pictures of them, some are fundamentally Arab, no question about it.

2940
02:58:56,120 --> 02:59:00,120
Speaker 5: But others are fundamentally African in their pheno type. And

2941
02:59:00,600 --> 02:59:04,320
Speaker 5: even some of them are so crazy that they will

2942
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:07,400
Speaker 5: make up a fake family background in order to fit

2943
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:11,480
Speaker 5: in with the other ginguee. So this is that's why

2944
02:59:12,480 --> 02:59:15,280
Speaker 5: the folks don't mind killing the so called Zerga in

2945
02:59:15,400 --> 02:59:20,440
Speaker 5: order to get weapons, because they don't see the Africans

2946
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:23,440
Speaker 5: as human anyway, and that's how they look at it.

2947
02:59:24,480 --> 02:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Six at the top of that family with Professor manin

2948
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:30,680
Speaker 1: New Wampin professionally impen the Nile River that's such a

2949
02:59:30,959 --> 02:59:35,320
Speaker 1: huge artery on the continent. Was with ver any was

2950
02:59:35,400 --> 02:59:39,200
Speaker 1: that used during these are trading issues that were going on.

2951
02:59:40,520 --> 02:59:42,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's like you say, it's one of

2952
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:45,879
Speaker 5: the great thoroughfares. That now river is the longest river

2953
02:59:45,959 --> 02:59:48,600
Speaker 5: in the world, more than forty one hundred miles long.

2954
02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:53,680
Speaker 5: And we see great trade along the Nile, and the

2955
02:59:53,800 --> 02:59:58,040
Speaker 5: greatest records that we see are really the depictions in

2956
02:59:59,640 --> 03:00:03,640
Speaker 5: two for example, in Kimmitt, I mean the written text, yes,

2957
03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:07,160
Speaker 5: but you see these great depictions. And that's how we

2958
03:00:07,360 --> 03:00:11,760
Speaker 5: know that the people of classical Kimmot, so called ancient Egypt,

2959
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:14,560
Speaker 5: that they were trading up south, not down south, but

2960
03:00:14,760 --> 03:00:17,280
Speaker 5: up south, because the mountains and hills are in the south,

2961
03:00:17,720 --> 03:00:23,400
Speaker 5: and you have Africans from from the southern areas from

2962
03:00:23,560 --> 03:00:32,400
Speaker 5: Kush trading in panthers, elephants, giraffes, monkeys, leopard skin.

2963
03:00:33,080 --> 03:00:33,200
Speaker 7: Uh.

2964
03:00:33,520 --> 03:00:36,720
Speaker 5: You see them bringing baboons, you see them bringing a

2965
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:41,400
Speaker 5: lot of things that are fundamentally African, and they're bringing

2966
03:00:41,480 --> 03:00:46,560
Speaker 5: these important trading items, and there's peaceful exchange. There's peaceful

2967
03:00:46,600 --> 03:00:50,960
Speaker 5: exchange between the people in Kimmot or ancient Egypt with

2968
03:00:51,240 --> 03:00:53,920
Speaker 5: the Africans to the south. Now, most people will just

2969
03:00:54,480 --> 03:00:59,320
Speaker 5: write and say that these are Southerners or so called Nilotics.

2970
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:01,400
Speaker 5: What do you mean, lockers, They all are from the Nile.

2971
03:01:01,760 --> 03:01:04,880
Speaker 5: But this was a great thoroughfare of trade, and we

2972
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:09,200
Speaker 5: see great episodes of the trade. For example, we see

2973
03:01:09,400 --> 03:01:13,200
Speaker 5: Queen Hatchabs in her one of her great temples, her

2974
03:01:13,320 --> 03:01:18,160
Speaker 5: mortuary temple near the Valley of the Kings. Queen Hassepsht

2975
03:01:18,400 --> 03:01:22,320
Speaker 5: lays out the details of going to the south, and

2976
03:01:22,760 --> 03:01:25,800
Speaker 5: she's not just going along Denial, which was a major thoroughfare,

2977
03:01:25,879 --> 03:01:29,080
Speaker 5: but they also use the Red Sea. They use the

2978
03:01:29,160 --> 03:01:33,480
Speaker 5: Red Sea, and so in Hasspset's temple, you don't see

2979
03:01:33,520 --> 03:01:36,200
Speaker 5: them going to the Holy Land, a place that they

2980
03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:40,600
Speaker 5: call Punt. Punt was what was called God's Land or

2981
03:01:40,680 --> 03:01:44,280
Speaker 5: the Holy Land, so you see, so you don't see

2982
03:01:44,600 --> 03:01:46,720
Speaker 5: in the images of them going to Punt, but you

2983
03:01:46,800 --> 03:01:49,440
Speaker 5: see them coming back. You see the king and Queen

2984
03:01:50,320 --> 03:01:52,280
Speaker 5: of the land of Punt, and you see all of

2985
03:01:52,360 --> 03:01:54,360
Speaker 5: the items that are being traded. And the thing that

2986
03:01:54,520 --> 03:01:58,119
Speaker 5: stands out as the most important and the most abundant

2987
03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:00,360
Speaker 5: of all of the items that they're bringing back from

2988
03:02:00,440 --> 03:02:03,560
Speaker 5: Punt is just tons of gold. I mean, you see

2989
03:02:03,720 --> 03:02:07,400
Speaker 5: piles and piles and piles of gold, and you clear

2990
03:02:07,480 --> 03:02:10,800
Speaker 5: and you can see that this is right on the water.

2991
03:02:10,879 --> 03:02:13,800
Speaker 5: A lot of the locations that they went to trade with,

2992
03:02:14,200 --> 03:02:17,480
Speaker 5: and it was not a military operation, but a peaceful

2993
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:21,160
Speaker 5: trading operation. And this is thirty five hundred years ago,

2994
03:02:21,360 --> 03:02:25,680
Speaker 5: three thousand, five hundred years ago, had Queen Hasttership lays

2995
03:02:25,720 --> 03:02:28,440
Speaker 5: it all out. But not only that, before Hanschifship. One

2996
03:02:28,440 --> 03:02:31,720
Speaker 5: of the most important things that people should know is

2997
03:02:31,800 --> 03:02:35,359
Speaker 5: that forty two hundred years ago, this is before Hanchisship,

2998
03:02:35,440 --> 03:02:41,320
Speaker 5: there's a tomb in kimm It in the area of Asyuan,

2999
03:02:41,520 --> 03:02:45,760
Speaker 5: and it's a tomb of Harcoof. Harcoff makes one of

3000
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:50,840
Speaker 5: the most important historical journeys ever because Harcoof took four

3001
03:02:51,000 --> 03:02:54,959
Speaker 5: voyages to the south, to the southern areas. He takes

3002
03:02:55,040 --> 03:02:59,920
Speaker 5: these four voyages he's trading were. One of the more

3003
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:03,600
Speaker 5: most important things that Harcoof does is that as he's

3004
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:09,679
Speaker 5: taking these voyages, King Peppy the second learns about Harcoff's

3005
03:03:10,760 --> 03:03:13,800
Speaker 5: voyages and sends him a letter. And in the letter,

3006
03:03:13,959 --> 03:03:16,400
Speaker 5: the king this is the end of the sixth Dynasties,

3007
03:03:16,440 --> 03:03:19,240
Speaker 5: so we're talking about forty two hundred years ago. King

3008
03:03:19,360 --> 03:03:22,640
Speaker 5: Peppi the second sends a letter to Harcoof to say,

3009
03:03:22,680 --> 03:03:26,480
Speaker 5: when you go to those areas again, bring back a

3010
03:03:26,720 --> 03:03:31,800
Speaker 5: small stature ding d ng. Bring back a ding, because

3011
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:35,920
Speaker 5: nothing makes the pharaoh's heart more glad than a ding,

3012
03:03:36,120 --> 03:03:39,280
Speaker 5: because only the small statue of people could sing the

3013
03:03:39,400 --> 03:03:43,000
Speaker 5: certain the sacred songs and do the sacred dance. So

3014
03:03:43,280 --> 03:03:47,520
Speaker 5: the king tells Harcoof to bring this man back and

3015
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:51,640
Speaker 5: put worthy men around him when he's on deck to

3016
03:03:51,800 --> 03:03:53,920
Speaker 5: make sure he does not fall into the water, and

3017
03:03:54,080 --> 03:03:58,000
Speaker 5: when he sleeps, put worthy men to sleep around him

3018
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:01,199
Speaker 5: in the tent and inspect on him ten times during

3019
03:04:01,280 --> 03:04:07,240
Speaker 5: the night. And this man was an important diplomat that

3020
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:11,840
Speaker 5: came from the from God's Land, from the southern areas.

3021
03:04:11,920 --> 03:04:14,320
Speaker 5: So they're not just trading items, but they're bringing back

3022
03:04:14,400 --> 03:04:18,680
Speaker 5: one of the most important diplomats on record. He's not

3023
03:04:18,840 --> 03:04:21,720
Speaker 5: looked at as some odd person, you know, ding. We're

3024
03:04:21,760 --> 03:04:27,320
Speaker 5: talking about the aka, the batua, the sign. These people

3025
03:04:27,360 --> 03:04:30,840
Speaker 5: are four foot eight four foot ten. These represent literally

3026
03:04:30,920 --> 03:04:33,720
Speaker 5: the first Homo sapien safeties. They're the ones closest to

3027
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:37,200
Speaker 5: the original Homo sapien safety. And what we learned from

3028
03:04:37,280 --> 03:04:41,320
Speaker 5: them in antiquary, from the records of Harkoof and even

3029
03:04:41,480 --> 03:04:46,840
Speaker 5: now is their their sense of ethics, their sense of

3030
03:04:47,360 --> 03:04:52,400
Speaker 5: also not just having ethical practices and standards and guidelines,

3031
03:04:52,440 --> 03:04:56,160
Speaker 5: but also the ecological laws. So for them do on

3032
03:04:56,280 --> 03:04:59,120
Speaker 5: to natures as you would have nature do on to you.

3033
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:01,880
Speaker 5: These are the people that taught us what it meant

3034
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:05,120
Speaker 5: to be human. These are the oldest human beings, and

3035
03:05:05,240 --> 03:05:09,200
Speaker 5: they were giving the utmost respect and antiquity. Now people

3036
03:05:09,320 --> 03:05:12,480
Speaker 5: will think like colonists and call them a so called

3037
03:05:14,520 --> 03:05:18,119
Speaker 5: a pigmy or something ridiculous like that, and many people

3038
03:05:18,200 --> 03:05:21,320
Speaker 5: think that way now, But these are the people who

3039
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:24,960
Speaker 5: still practice their harmonies lifewives. They're the ones that taught

3040
03:05:25,000 --> 03:05:27,760
Speaker 5: us how to live in harmony with each other and

3041
03:05:28,000 --> 03:05:31,160
Speaker 5: with the environment around them. So they taught us what

3042
03:05:31,440 --> 03:05:35,400
Speaker 5: an egalitarian society is really about, a society where there

3043
03:05:35,480 --> 03:05:38,400
Speaker 5: was no hierarchy, no chiefs, no kings.

3044
03:05:38,200 --> 03:05:38,760
Speaker 12: Nothing like that.

3045
03:05:38,879 --> 03:05:44,959
Speaker 5: Everyone is a part of a communal environment. So they practiced.

3046
03:05:44,959 --> 03:05:48,879
Speaker 5: They gave us the practice, not just the theoretical idea,

3047
03:05:49,000 --> 03:05:54,160
Speaker 5: but the practice of communalism. And from communalism, Karl Marx

3048
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:57,560
Speaker 5: and Ingels they get the idea of communism, which is

3049
03:05:57,600 --> 03:06:00,200
Speaker 5: supposed to be a perfect society where everybody had as

3050
03:06:00,680 --> 03:06:04,720
Speaker 5: equal shares of everything. The Europeans didn't just come up

3051
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:08,160
Speaker 5: with this, For many examples in Europe know and they

3052
03:06:08,200 --> 03:06:11,200
Speaker 5: didn't come up with it in their studies where they

3053
03:06:11,320 --> 03:06:15,600
Speaker 5: just came up with some fantastical idea. No, they studied

3054
03:06:16,040 --> 03:06:21,240
Speaker 5: these traditional African cultures. So the Dean in antiquity, coming

3055
03:06:21,400 --> 03:06:24,760
Speaker 5: from an area where people have taught us exactly what

3056
03:06:24,920 --> 03:06:28,360
Speaker 5: it meant to be human on a very sophisticated level,

3057
03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:32,320
Speaker 5: living in great harmony. But these groups are still around today.

3058
03:06:32,520 --> 03:06:35,360
Speaker 5: That's what's so special about the records of Harcouf and

3059
03:06:35,480 --> 03:06:38,920
Speaker 5: how these people were treated, how they were depicted. And

3060
03:06:39,080 --> 03:06:42,680
Speaker 5: Harcouf made sure that in his text on his tomb

3061
03:06:42,760 --> 03:06:47,760
Speaker 5: in Aswan, that there's a whole letter that he includes

3062
03:06:47,800 --> 03:06:51,280
Speaker 5: in his autobiographical text to talk about the importance of

3063
03:06:51,400 --> 03:06:54,880
Speaker 5: the Dean and how this man was a very very

3064
03:06:55,000 --> 03:06:59,800
Speaker 5: special diplomat but the trade was items. But also this

3065
03:07:00,040 --> 03:07:02,879
Speaker 5: man was brought back as Uh. He's not captured, he's

3066
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:06,040
Speaker 5: not kidnapped. He's not captured, not adult nap either. He's

3067
03:07:06,120 --> 03:07:09,760
Speaker 5: coming as a very very important diplomat because he is

3068
03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:12,480
Speaker 5: the one who comes from the land of the Gods,

3069
03:07:12,720 --> 03:07:15,840
Speaker 5: the holy land as they call it. They called it, uh,

3070
03:07:16,520 --> 03:07:18,560
Speaker 5: the land of punt Yeah.

3071
03:07:19,400 --> 03:07:22,840
Speaker 1: Let me have been asking this, Yeah, let me ask

3072
03:07:22,879 --> 03:07:25,080
Speaker 1: you this, though, professor, are they still around, if they

3073
03:07:25,400 --> 03:07:28,680
Speaker 1: exist in their communities. Is it kind of akin to

3074
03:07:28,800 --> 03:07:30,240
Speaker 1: when you what you told us when you went to

3075
03:07:30,320 --> 03:07:32,840
Speaker 1: the Omo Valley where the people are still living back

3076
03:07:32,879 --> 03:07:34,960
Speaker 1: in the back in the time, back when you know,

3077
03:07:35,440 --> 03:07:38,200
Speaker 1: before all this modern stuff is around, and they still

3078
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,280
Speaker 1: live in this The dang people, the people that you

3079
03:07:40,400 --> 03:07:42,879
Speaker 1: just told about the shut up, are they still around?

3080
03:07:44,520 --> 03:07:48,840
Speaker 5: Uh No, not in the Omo Valley, These these small

3081
03:07:48,920 --> 03:07:52,840
Speaker 5: stature of people. Uh, it's a good question where they

3082
03:07:52,959 --> 03:07:57,160
Speaker 5: live today. Across the board. They live in places of refuge,

3083
03:07:57,640 --> 03:08:00,520
Speaker 5: places of safety, and places of hiding. So they live

3084
03:08:00,600 --> 03:08:04,320
Speaker 5: in rainforests. Nobody dares to go into the rainforest because

3085
03:08:04,360 --> 03:08:08,400
Speaker 5: you won't survive. It's very difficult in the rainforest. But

3086
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:12,680
Speaker 5: that's where they live, like the ephe the Imbuti. They

3087
03:08:12,720 --> 03:08:15,959
Speaker 5: live in the rainforest, or they live in desert environments

3088
03:08:16,080 --> 03:08:19,640
Speaker 5: like the sun or the Koi. They live in like

3089
03:08:19,720 --> 03:08:24,480
Speaker 5: the Kalahari desert for example. Places of refuse, places of hiding,

3090
03:08:24,600 --> 03:08:27,960
Speaker 5: places of safety. They live in island environments. But they

3091
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:31,320
Speaker 5: live in remote areas because they've never fought any wars.

3092
03:08:31,800 --> 03:08:34,960
Speaker 5: They're not aggressive and they don't survive. They don't do

3093
03:08:35,120 --> 03:08:40,680
Speaker 5: well among the more aggressive and larger groups. So even Africans,

3094
03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:45,280
Speaker 5: even Africans, have not treated them well. And they they've

3095
03:08:45,400 --> 03:08:49,680
Speaker 5: taken on the western colonial view that these people are somehow,

3096
03:08:50,879 --> 03:08:54,160
Speaker 5: you know, less dead, they're not quite like us. Look

3097
03:08:54,200 --> 03:08:58,680
Speaker 5: how small they are. And yes, Africans typically think that

3098
03:08:58,840 --> 03:09:02,600
Speaker 5: way in villages because they take on the mentality of

3099
03:09:02,720 --> 03:09:05,560
Speaker 5: the outrageous outsiders. But these small status of people you

3100
03:09:05,640 --> 03:09:08,000
Speaker 5: will only see. Okay, Now, you might see some in

3101
03:09:08,520 --> 03:09:13,480
Speaker 5: some city environments because as their areas are becoming smaller

3102
03:09:13,560 --> 03:09:18,520
Speaker 5: and smaller, because you have chimber companies that are chopping

3103
03:09:18,600 --> 03:09:22,800
Speaker 5: down trees and reducing their home environment, some of them

3104
03:09:23,480 --> 03:09:26,600
Speaker 5: try to survive. You may see some of them in villages.

3105
03:09:26,680 --> 03:09:29,560
Speaker 5: Now you may see some of them trying to operate

3106
03:09:29,720 --> 03:09:33,240
Speaker 5: in the monetary economy, which they have never had in

3107
03:09:33,320 --> 03:09:37,600
Speaker 5: their system. They only deal with barter, with bartering in trades,

3108
03:09:37,640 --> 03:09:42,160
Speaker 5: so they'll bring honey, they'll bring you know, maybe monkey

3109
03:09:42,280 --> 03:09:47,200
Speaker 5: meat or honey or some other kind of rare delicatessen

3110
03:09:47,320 --> 03:09:51,000
Speaker 5: and then they'll trade on the edge of the force

3111
03:09:51,200 --> 03:09:55,320
Speaker 5: with African farming communities. But they don't do well. So

3112
03:09:55,480 --> 03:09:57,480
Speaker 5: that's why as a group, you find them in the

3113
03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:02,520
Speaker 5: most remote area, and they're still practicing their lifeways today

3114
03:10:03,040 --> 03:10:04,840
Speaker 5: in the same way they've done in the past. Now

3115
03:10:04,879 --> 03:10:06,960
Speaker 5: in the Almost Valley, where I spend a ton of time,

3116
03:10:07,520 --> 03:10:11,840
Speaker 5: you definitely have indigenous groups that have been practicing their

3117
03:10:11,959 --> 03:10:17,160
Speaker 5: cultural life ways for countless and countless generations. But these

3118
03:10:17,200 --> 03:10:21,080
Speaker 5: are larger groups, and they're remote. You know, they're very

3119
03:10:21,160 --> 03:10:24,640
Speaker 5: remote groups. So when I'm among them, for example, it's

3120
03:10:24,680 --> 03:10:27,840
Speaker 5: amazing how relaxed they are. You don't see the stress.

3121
03:10:28,320 --> 03:10:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hold I thought right there at Professor ri

3122
03:10:30,120 --> 03:10:32,240
Speaker 1: gotta steps side a few monument. Seventeen after top they

3123
03:10:32,240 --> 03:10:33,680
Speaker 1: I'll let you coming back and the Rick and New

3124
03:10:33,760 --> 03:10:35,760
Speaker 1: York has a question for you. But when you come back,

3125
03:10:35,800 --> 03:10:37,680
Speaker 1: tell us about the folks in the Omo Valley what

3126
03:10:37,800 --> 03:10:40,400
Speaker 1: stood out and then have they welcomed you as a

3127
03:10:40,480 --> 03:10:43,800
Speaker 1: stranger and what they thought about you. Eighteen after top,

3128
03:10:43,879 --> 03:10:46,720
Speaker 1: there are eighteen hundred four or five zero eight hundred

3129
03:10:46,760 --> 03:10:48,840
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six to

3130
03:10:48,879 --> 03:10:51,160
Speaker 1: speak to Professor May and new Ampen. We'll take your

3131
03:10:51,160 --> 03:10:52,040
Speaker 1: phone calls next.

3132
03:10:52,240 --> 03:10:55,680
Speaker 5: It's amazing that they look as Africoy as the people

3133
03:10:55,800 --> 03:10:58,280
Speaker 5: on the continent. So if you look at these mains

3134
03:10:58,400 --> 03:11:03,000
Speaker 5: in Malaysia or the Ong in that area, or look

3135
03:11:03,040 --> 03:11:05,920
Speaker 5: at the Andaman Islands and you look at these groups,

3136
03:11:05,959 --> 03:11:10,199
Speaker 5: it's like, wow, they look completely African. Yes, because the environment,

3137
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:13,720
Speaker 5: the environment, the weather patterns, the climate was just the

3138
03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:17,480
Speaker 5: same as where they had come from. And the first

3139
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:21,920
Speaker 5: first people of the Philippines, the ata aate to fundamentally

3140
03:11:22,000 --> 03:11:25,840
Speaker 5: African and africoor in their appearance. So no, they did

3141
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:29,720
Speaker 5: not migrate back. They're still there now. People are not

3142
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:33,000
Speaker 5: just migrating, they're going for particular reasons. They went in

3143
03:11:33,080 --> 03:11:35,560
Speaker 5: New Europe for particular reasons. It's kind of strange why

3144
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:38,640
Speaker 5: they were going to an ice to the warm glacial period,

3145
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:39,200
Speaker 5: but they did.

3146
03:11:39,560 --> 03:11:39,600
Speaker 6: So.

3147
03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:42,560
Speaker 5: There had to have been a big time reason for

3148
03:11:42,680 --> 03:11:46,240
Speaker 5: them to migrate in that manner and go into an

3149
03:11:46,360 --> 03:11:48,800
Speaker 5: ice environment and get caught behind the sheet of ice.

3150
03:11:49,080 --> 03:11:52,560
Speaker 5: But it would happen because there's always push in poor factors.

3151
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:56,720
Speaker 5: And so those folks are still in these Asian environments

3152
03:11:56,760 --> 03:11:59,840
Speaker 5: today and they're small stature and they are one hundred

3153
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:03,160
Speaker 5: set Africoid, which is very right.

3154
03:12:03,879 --> 03:12:05,400
Speaker 1: Let me interrupt you and ask you this because we're

3155
03:12:05,440 --> 03:12:07,800
Speaker 1: raising the clock. And somebody tweeted by the pigmies in

3156
03:12:07,879 --> 03:12:11,840
Speaker 1: the Philippines, they're called negritos. These are the same brothers

3157
03:12:11,959 --> 03:12:15,400
Speaker 1: out of Africa that migrated to the Philippines. And on

3158
03:12:15,560 --> 03:12:18,400
Speaker 1: top of that, also the Irish have some short people

3159
03:12:18,480 --> 03:12:21,960
Speaker 1: call leprechauns, and I keep hearing you could clearly suffer.

3160
03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:25,240
Speaker 1: So they were actually African before they went to Ireland

3161
03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:28,160
Speaker 1: and became white. So I got two things on your

3162
03:12:28,200 --> 03:12:28,560
Speaker 1: plate for.

3163
03:12:28,600 --> 03:12:34,959
Speaker 5: You, okay. So so in Asia, white scholars called them

3164
03:12:35,080 --> 03:12:40,240
Speaker 5: negrito or negreo with two negreo or negrito that simply

3165
03:12:40,400 --> 03:12:45,520
Speaker 5: means small stature or short black people. So in the Philippines, yeah,

3166
03:12:45,520 --> 03:12:50,240
Speaker 5: they call them negrito, but we know the names of

3167
03:12:50,280 --> 03:12:52,600
Speaker 5: the group, so I don't use those Western terms. But

3168
03:12:54,680 --> 03:12:57,000
Speaker 5: so like the people in the Philippines, they're called Iata.

3169
03:12:57,560 --> 03:13:01,640
Speaker 5: The Ata are the original people in the Philippines, and

3170
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:06,560
Speaker 5: they're fundamentally African in their physical appearance, physical type. But

3171
03:13:06,680 --> 03:13:09,160
Speaker 5: you'll see the Grito written in some of the old

3172
03:13:09,280 --> 03:13:13,680
Speaker 5: surveys because it just means a small black person. But

3173
03:13:14,240 --> 03:13:19,320
Speaker 5: the name is Ayata and these are, without dispute, the

3174
03:13:19,360 --> 03:13:23,480
Speaker 5: original people in the Philippines. I'm not sure about the leprechauns.

3175
03:13:24,560 --> 03:13:28,400
Speaker 5: I'm not sure about that part. But certainly Asia. These

3176
03:13:28,520 --> 03:13:32,240
Speaker 5: are verifiable facts, and the people are still in these areas,

3177
03:13:32,280 --> 03:13:36,640
Speaker 5: and I'll re emphasize they all live in isolated areas,

3178
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:40,360
Speaker 5: rainforests and islands that are hard to get to because

3179
03:13:40,440 --> 03:13:43,520
Speaker 5: they're not aggressive people. They've never fought any wars, and

3180
03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:46,240
Speaker 5: they're living in isolated areas because of safety.

3181
03:13:47,480 --> 03:13:49,960
Speaker 1: All Right, A tweet question for you, tweet us says,

3182
03:13:50,280 --> 03:13:54,119
Speaker 1: ask him about a culturation. How did he feel about

3183
03:13:54,160 --> 03:13:57,920
Speaker 1: adopting Was it easy for him to fit in food language?

3184
03:13:58,320 --> 03:14:01,280
Speaker 1: That's okay if he's answering its exact tweet for you.

3185
03:14:02,920 --> 03:14:05,840
Speaker 5: Well, look, you know, this is my life's work. I mean,

3186
03:14:05,920 --> 03:14:10,080
Speaker 5: I've been out now in the field since nineteen ninety

3187
03:14:10,560 --> 03:14:12,520
Speaker 5: so it's been a lot of years. I've learned how

3188
03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:16,800
Speaker 5: to adapt. I'm a you know, in fact, I'm a vegetarian.

3189
03:14:21,879 --> 03:14:26,040
Speaker 1: Cool so because you know, one of the things that

3190
03:14:28,240 --> 03:14:32,240
Speaker 1: doctor Renocca Rashidi, he travel a lot, travel all over

3191
03:14:32,280 --> 03:14:34,920
Speaker 1: the world, and but Renoka wasn't a vegetarian. And one

3192
03:14:34,920 --> 03:14:36,520
Speaker 1: of the things I asked him, he says, you have

3193
03:14:36,680 --> 03:14:39,520
Speaker 1: to He likes to experience the country as it is,

3194
03:14:40,120 --> 03:14:42,160
Speaker 1: so he doesn't want to come in as a tourist.

3195
03:14:42,400 --> 03:14:45,240
Speaker 1: So he does sample the food, the drinks, the whole

3196
03:14:45,360 --> 03:14:49,480
Speaker 1: nine yards. So shout out to doctor Renoka Rashidi and

3197
03:14:49,480 --> 03:14:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know he made his transition. So professor,

3198
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:53,080
Speaker 1: professor mpim.

3199
03:14:52,959 --> 03:14:54,119
Speaker 5: What I sample?

3200
03:14:55,280 --> 03:14:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I know.

3201
03:14:56,520 --> 03:14:59,120
Speaker 5: I always sample a local beer, so I know that

3202
03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:03,160
Speaker 5: it made out a and you know so and millet sergum.

3203
03:15:03,480 --> 03:15:06,039
Speaker 5: So that I do sample the meat is not really

3204
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:09,320
Speaker 5: a big deal because the people, you know, they they

3205
03:15:09,400 --> 03:15:11,320
Speaker 5: really don't trip on that kind of thing because they

3206
03:15:11,400 --> 03:15:16,160
Speaker 5: really are are are examining your culture and your your

3207
03:15:16,400 --> 03:15:19,240
Speaker 5: character and your intentions. But I always sample the local

3208
03:15:19,320 --> 03:15:22,520
Speaker 5: beer and the other foods, so there's no big deal

3209
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:23,920
Speaker 5: on the meat part.

3210
03:15:26,680 --> 03:15:29,720
Speaker 1: All right, chipping in and again at that issue all

3211
03:15:29,720 --> 03:15:31,680
Speaker 1: the morning long. So we'll work on that.

3212
03:15:31,959 --> 03:15:36,720
Speaker 5: So anyway, I think hopefully you can you can hear me, Yeah.

3213
03:15:36,600 --> 03:15:37,080
Speaker 1: We can hear it.

3214
03:15:37,120 --> 03:15:40,240
Speaker 5: Go ahead, okay, yeah, so so there's no problem. You

3215
03:15:40,360 --> 03:15:42,959
Speaker 5: just learned to uh to it just while you're there.

3216
03:15:43,040 --> 03:15:46,760
Speaker 5: But the local beer is always there's always uh interesting

3217
03:15:47,120 --> 03:15:50,680
Speaker 5: and uh but the people are more excited about and

3218
03:15:50,800 --> 03:15:53,199
Speaker 5: you know what, I tell you something. When I'm interviewing

3219
03:15:53,360 --> 03:15:57,280
Speaker 5: the chiefs and elders and heroes, there are tons of

3220
03:15:57,440 --> 03:16:00,560
Speaker 5: villagers that come around. Yes, they come around.

3221
03:16:04,080 --> 03:16:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, one thing's for sure. The beer Vernocold also was

3222
03:16:08,879 --> 03:16:11,360
Speaker 1: like to sample the beers in the different countries too

3223
03:16:11,879 --> 03:16:12,600
Speaker 1: and compare them.

3224
03:16:12,920 --> 03:16:15,760
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly. Well, you know it's important because when I

3225
03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:18,200
Speaker 5: have a group with me, then you know, as part

3226
03:16:18,240 --> 03:16:21,440
Speaker 5: of my primary research to do it and is strong.

3227
03:16:21,560 --> 03:16:24,320
Speaker 5: It's very strong. But it's local and it stayed like that.

3228
03:16:24,480 --> 03:16:27,760
Speaker 5: But anyway, you learn how to adjust, you learn how to.

3229
03:16:31,240 --> 03:16:33,680
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to in and out again, there's ten

3230
03:16:33,720 --> 03:16:36,480
Speaker 1: away from the top. They out, we're Professor man new mpin.

3231
03:16:37,080 --> 03:16:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where this is coming from, but hey,

3232
03:16:39,360 --> 03:16:43,800
Speaker 1: it's live radio. And again I just want to remind

3233
03:16:43,879 --> 03:16:46,520
Speaker 1: you tomorrow's open phone Friday, so we give you a

3234
03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:48,440
Speaker 1: chance to free your mind and reach out to us.

3235
03:16:48,480 --> 03:16:51,720
Speaker 1: At eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

3236
03:16:51,720 --> 03:16:53,640
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Professor MPN because still

3237
03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:56,480
Speaker 1: got questions to him about the short people you mentioned.

3238
03:16:56,480 --> 03:17:01,119
Speaker 1: There was no connection in here, connections between the Irish people.

3239
03:17:01,320 --> 03:17:03,400
Speaker 1: You know that they're short people they call leprocns and

3240
03:17:03,480 --> 03:17:05,360
Speaker 1: somewhere around I'm not quite sure where I heard that

3241
03:17:05,680 --> 03:17:08,640
Speaker 1: they're Actually it was just like all the white folks

3242
03:17:08,680 --> 03:17:11,279
Speaker 1: who came out of Africa. Anyway, everybody came out of Africa.

3243
03:17:11,360 --> 03:17:15,920
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the first and and and so professor

3244
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm pei, you're back, and I'll let you finish your

3245
03:17:17,640 --> 03:17:20,680
Speaker 1: thought in gloord and Baltimore has a question for you. Oh,

3246
03:17:24,600 --> 03:17:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Claud whyn't why don't you pose your

3247
03:17:26,480 --> 03:17:28,119
Speaker 1: question for Professor Impere.

3248
03:17:29,560 --> 03:17:29,920
Speaker 5: We'll do.

3249
03:17:30,560 --> 03:17:34,040
Speaker 12: Yes, We as Africans, we have a gene that we

3250
03:17:34,240 --> 03:17:38,840
Speaker 12: have within us, and we went all over left Africa

3251
03:17:38,920 --> 03:17:41,400
Speaker 12: and went all over the different countries man and and

3252
03:17:42,440 --> 03:17:46,879
Speaker 12: and had Uh planted our seeds. And that's why different

3253
03:17:46,959 --> 03:17:50,800
Speaker 12: cultures have planted eyes and different colors and everything, just

3254
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,360
Speaker 12: because it's based on out on that gene that we

3255
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:58,120
Speaker 12: have and within us. So if he can comment on

3256
03:17:58,280 --> 03:18:04,039
Speaker 12: that gene that that can was an albino uh, because

3257
03:18:04,040 --> 03:18:06,440
Speaker 12: I'm hearing that a lot of them was had Albano.

3258
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:09,720
Speaker 12: They was shipped out to Europe because of a lot

3259
03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:13,000
Speaker 12: of Africans. They one of them albinos over in our countries.

3260
03:18:13,480 --> 03:18:16,920
Speaker 12: But that's where the problems started from from that gene.

3261
03:18:17,440 --> 03:18:22,440
Speaker 1: So well, well they have albino's now on the continent.

3262
03:18:22,760 --> 03:18:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure it's a recessive gene or

3263
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:28,920
Speaker 1: something that that came forward or something like that, but

3264
03:18:29,240 --> 03:18:31,160
Speaker 1: I will when he when we get him back on

3265
03:18:31,240 --> 03:18:32,760
Speaker 1: the on the line before we get out of here,

3266
03:18:32,800 --> 03:18:36,160
Speaker 1: I'll ask him about that. But yeah, you're right, Uh yeah,

3267
03:18:36,200 --> 03:18:37,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, professor.

3268
03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:39,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean you know, there's.

3269
03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:48,040
Speaker 1: All right. Kevin checked his line again for us because

3270
03:18:48,040 --> 03:18:52,000
Speaker 1: he's this is interesting. Uh, phones tripping in and out

3271
03:18:52,120 --> 03:18:57,640
Speaker 1: like that. Whoever's doing it? Yeah, we got some haters

3272
03:18:57,680 --> 03:18:59,920
Speaker 1: out there. I'll just tell you that straight up. Kevin

3273
03:19:00,040 --> 03:19:02,959
Speaker 1: doesn't believe, but now you probably believe. But go ahead, professor,

3274
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm pim okay, uh yeah, but there, all right, we

3275
03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:14,440
Speaker 1: lost them again?

3276
03:19:15,200 --> 03:19:21,000
Speaker 5: Yes, uh, let me use my other phone quick.

3277
03:19:21,040 --> 03:19:21,920
Speaker 15: Sorry, I don't know.

3278
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's your fun. It's been we've

3279
03:19:25,400 --> 03:19:28,520
Speaker 1: we've been. It's been tripping like this all morning along,

3280
03:19:29,160 --> 03:19:31,520
Speaker 1: well all morning long. Is the first hour was good,

3281
03:19:31,560 --> 03:19:35,200
Speaker 1: but it's been going like this for a while. But

3282
03:19:35,320 --> 03:19:37,760
Speaker 1: they can't stop us. So he's just smiling. But they

3283
03:19:37,879 --> 03:19:40,879
Speaker 1: keep trying though. We'll get the message out.

3284
03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:45,440
Speaker 5: Go ahead, professor, Okay, yeah, sorry, I don't know what. Yeah,

3285
03:19:45,480 --> 03:19:48,160
Speaker 5: but it's not just janus, also.

3286
03:19:48,080 --> 03:20:00,840
Speaker 15: Environment, so so weaned with the environment.

3287
03:20:00,600 --> 03:20:04,280
Speaker 5: And that's part of the survival. So it's a natural selection.

3288
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:11,400
Speaker 1: He mentioned, but he mentioned the albinos in Africa.

3289
03:20:15,120 --> 03:20:27,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's a genetic fluke. My mom,

3290
03:20:27,800 --> 03:20:29,720
Speaker 5: my late mom was a twin. I mean, it's not

3291
03:20:29,959 --> 03:20:33,000
Speaker 5: that many twins that come out, so those things don't

3292
03:20:33,000 --> 03:20:37,200
Speaker 5: happen very often. And albino is even more remote. You know,

3293
03:20:37,240 --> 03:20:39,320
Speaker 5: it doesn't happen very much. But that's not why we

3294
03:20:39,440 --> 03:20:41,320
Speaker 5: have people that are white. They have people that are

3295
03:20:41,360 --> 03:20:44,359
Speaker 5: white because Africa is migrated into Europe and they differentiated

3296
03:20:44,400 --> 03:20:47,119
Speaker 5: because of the cold environment. So that's why they grew

3297
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:50,000
Speaker 5: the long, straight hair to warm the body. That's why

3298
03:20:50,040 --> 03:20:53,000
Speaker 5: they grew they that had the thin lips because you

3299
03:20:53,040 --> 03:20:56,120
Speaker 5: would get frostbite if you had the juicy African kissing lips,

3300
03:20:56,480 --> 03:20:59,840
Speaker 5: and the nose became straighter to warm up that cold

3301
03:21:00,040 --> 03:21:06,359
Speaker 5: air before it gets into the nasal cavity, right, And people.

3302
03:21:06,200 --> 03:21:07,960
Speaker 1: Some people don't believe that. Some people don't want to

3303
03:21:08,000 --> 03:21:11,920
Speaker 1: hear that, but uh, that's absolutely right. That's that's because

3304
03:21:12,200 --> 03:21:14,640
Speaker 1: everything started in Africa. And people are saying, you know,

3305
03:21:14,680 --> 03:21:16,520
Speaker 1: as you have some people say we were here. We

3306
03:21:16,600 --> 03:21:19,360
Speaker 1: had Africans here in this country before, but they all

3307
03:21:19,480 --> 03:21:21,400
Speaker 1: came from Africa, So it doesn't make a difference if

3308
03:21:21,440 --> 03:21:23,760
Speaker 1: what if they came on the Atlantic slave trade or

3309
03:21:23,800 --> 03:21:26,200
Speaker 1: they were here before they made well, they came came

3310
03:21:26,280 --> 03:21:28,880
Speaker 1: across the oceans, through the streets, street, you know, it

3311
03:21:29,000 --> 03:21:32,039
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So they so when I keep hearing people think, oh, yeah,

3312
03:21:32,120 --> 03:21:34,040
Speaker 1: they don't believe in the slave trade. Yeah, people will

3313
03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:37,600
Speaker 1: say that because the Africans were here before. But if

3314
03:21:37,640 --> 03:21:40,600
Speaker 1: they were here before, if they're here last week, all

3315
03:21:40,680 --> 03:21:43,920
Speaker 1: of us, every single person on the planet, originated in Africa.

3316
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:46,320
Speaker 1: That's the response that you should have to that profession.

3317
03:21:46,320 --> 03:21:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're with us because we get

3318
03:21:48,280 --> 03:21:50,039
Speaker 1: just got a few Uh, we got a minute.

3319
03:21:50,080 --> 03:21:50,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3320
03:21:50,280 --> 03:21:52,040
Speaker 1: How can folks reach you for more information?

3321
03:21:52,160 --> 03:21:52,320
Speaker 3: Though?

3322
03:21:53,200 --> 03:21:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? Uh they can reach me. I'm on social media.

3323
03:21:56,800 --> 03:21:59,840
Speaker 5: Just go to YouTube, go to professor MAINU and PM

3324
03:22:00,080 --> 03:22:06,879
Speaker 5: that's m A n U and then ampim also Facebook,

3325
03:22:07,040 --> 03:22:10,720
Speaker 5: or you can email me at main new MPM at Gmail.

3326
03:22:11,560 --> 03:22:14,080
Speaker 5: And one final thing, you can reach me online just

3327
03:22:14,160 --> 03:22:19,600
Speaker 5: go to our website Advancing theresearch dot org that people

3328
03:22:19,680 --> 03:22:22,440
Speaker 5: can see the work that I'm doing and look at

3329
03:22:22,480 --> 03:22:26,000
Speaker 5: my book or Historiographic and Civilization. And also they can

3330
03:22:26,080 --> 03:22:29,640
Speaker 5: look at and even support the upcoming documentary on cush

3331
03:22:30,520 --> 03:22:35,279
Speaker 5: SO advancing theresearch dot org and then mainw MPM at gmail.

3332
03:22:36,200 --> 03:22:38,320
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, professor, Thank you for sharing your

3333
03:22:38,320 --> 03:22:41,039
Speaker 1: thoughts with us this morning. Thank you by the Carl

3334
03:22:41,680 --> 03:22:44,320
Speaker 1: all Right family. That's it for the day and classes dismissed.

3335
03:22:44,320 --> 03:22:47,280
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you

3336
03:22:47,280 --> 03:22:49,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten

3337
03:22:50,040 --> 03:22:53,360
Speaker 1: ten WLB and also on the DMV on fourteen fifty

3338
03:22:53,920 --> 03:22:54,640
Speaker 1: WOL