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Speaker 2: And it has been a big push. And today it.

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Speaker 1: Got announced that the Governor Mike Brown is calling the

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Speaker 1: special session on redistricting. There will be a special session

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Speaker 1: readdistrict in the state of Indiana. Understand that what's being

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Speaker 1: No guarantee that it's going to work none. Would the

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Speaker 2: You haven't had the special session.

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Speaker 1: I favor the redistricting when I favor the redistricting because

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Speaker 1: It's a silly argument. Redistricting is a political process where

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Speaker 2: So it's possible the legislature says we're fine here, leave

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Speaker 1: It's possible that they change the map, and the pressure

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Speaker 1: I favor the redistricting because when Texas did it, well,

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Speaker 1: Other places are talking about this, so now you have

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Speaker 1: That is not the way it works. You must fight

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Speaker 2: They drew him out of his district.

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Speaker 2: Why can't you just fight fair? Oh? Good lord. They

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Speaker 1: California is engaged in retribution, and I believe that one

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Speaker 3: Listen, Well, I first thank you for having me on, Tony.

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Speaker 1: You've had the Vice President here twice, you had a

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Speaker 2: At the midterms do matter?

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Speaker 2: How do you respond to those things?

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Speaker 1: And so when they're told that you're just trying to

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Speaker 1: So talking to Joe Gruders, he is the chairman of

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Speaker 3: Well, you're exactly right. We're two and thirty nine and

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Speaker 3: find what I always say, the most conservative candidate that

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Speaker 3: can win in the particular district. So yes, that means

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Speaker 3: we have a wide range of candidates that may be

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Speaker 3: our candidates at the end of the day representing us

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Speaker 3: in the general election, but we have to win. We're

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Speaker 3: going to We're going to pick out the best candidates

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Speaker 3: and try to support them and make sure they have

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Speaker 3: the funding that they need and listen to President's on

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Speaker 3: a mission.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 3: He is fully committed to winning the mid terms. I

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Speaker 3: talked to him on an ongoing basis about what we're doing,

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Speaker 3: about what we're doing on the ground, what we're doing

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Speaker 3: in terms of raising money, you know, what we're doing

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Speaker 3: about candidate the recruitment.

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Speaker 2: And listen.

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Speaker 3: He is he is very in tune everything that's happening,

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Speaker 3: and he understands what's at stake, and I go back

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Speaker 3: to look at what's happening in the shutdown right now,

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Speaker 3: and that's a preview of what the Democrats are going

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Speaker 3: to do for two years that they end up winning something.

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Speaker 1: Joe Gruders, he is the chairman of the Republican National Committee.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him taking the time. I'm being with us more

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Speaker 1: to get to I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.