1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: So what is it that Zach Brian actually did here? 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Is this a slam of ice? Is that what we're seeing? 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Is this a hit on immigrations and customs enforcement by 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: the country artist? 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Or is it? 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Is it much ado about nothing? And maybe the issue 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: is we haven't heard the whole song yet. Tony Katz 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Tony kats today, guys, great to be with you find 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: everything at Tony Katz dot com. Let us discuss what 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: it is that took place. Zach Brian, who did serve 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: in the military. Zach Brian wrote a song and the 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: song is called bad News, and some of the lyrics 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: of that song appear to be a hit on ice, 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: on immigration's customs enforcement. The whole song, the full song, 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: has not yet been released. I don't have access to 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: the full song. I have not seen it released. Zach 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: Bryan is saying everybody's got this wrong quote. I serve 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: this country, I love this country, and the song itself 19 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: is about all of us coming out of this divided space. 20 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't speaking as a politician or some greater than 21 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: now blank Hole, just a twenty nine year old man 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: who is just as confused as everyone else to see 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: how much blank itt stirred up makes me not only 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: embarrassed but kind of scared. Left wing and right wing, 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: we're all one bird and American. To be clear, I'm 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: on neither of these radical sides. Well there's a statement 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: to all those disappointed me on either side of whatever 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: you believe in. Just no, I'm trying my best to 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: and we all say things that are misconstrued sometimes. 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: So he's he's. 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: Very very concerned with where the country, is, very concerned 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: about the divide of the country. 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: And so here is what it is that he wrote. 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: This is the edited version. 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: But hey, just in case I got a wrong finger 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: on the dumb button, producer Landin, this is what Zach Brian. 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: This is the part of the song. Is it not playing? 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: All right? 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Let me try it this way. Let me see if 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: I can pull it up this way, because I do 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: have it. I recorded it. I did a heck of 42 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: a job with it. Maybe I just put it under 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. 44 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: The lyrics. 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Themselves discuss quote, how ice is gonna come bust. 46 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: Down your door? 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: Try to build a house? No one builds no more. 48 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: But I got a telephone. Kids are all scared and 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: all alone. 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Disnally it comes dinner in jail, some out of town 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: boys and giving a sail. 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: I got some bed new. We'll come mission you. 53 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: My friends who roll the generation, they're all got the 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: generational story. 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: Of dropping the plot. I heard the. 56 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: Cops came cocky, mothers ain't they? And I is gonna 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: come bos down here door trying to build a house 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: on building no more, but I got a telephone. 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: Kids are all scarting all along the boss, stop bumping 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 2: the rocks. 61 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: Stop rolling, my men things rising in it won't stop showing. 62 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: Got some bed news. It's hitting of a red line. 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: And then the music happens from him, I got some 64 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: bad news Dinwick, dinner in jail. Sorry, it's just repeating. 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: I got some bad news, fading of the Red, white 66 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and blue. 67 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: So that's the question. 68 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: Is the song an anti ice song? The bar stop 69 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: bumping the rock, stopped rolling, the middle finger rising, and 70 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: it won't stop showing. Got some bad news the fading 71 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: of the Red, white and blue. Now his argument, the 72 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: argument from Zach Bryan that we don't have the full 73 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: context of the song, could be that he's got another 74 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: verse that the left could be like, how dare you? 75 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: And he could indeed be having a conversation that the 76 00:04:52,360 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: divide is killing us. I wouldn't say no if that 77 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: was his approach. 78 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: And first, you. 79 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Can write any song that you like. You go right ahead, 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: You write any song that you like, any lyrics that 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: you want. I'm not here to police your lyrics, just 82 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: like I wouldn't let anybody police what it is that 83 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: I say on this show. Is six hours of radio 84 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: a day. I do thirty two hours of radio each 85 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: and every week. I wouldn't let anybody tell me what 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: I can and can't say. My station, my home station, 87 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: my syndicator. They've never once given me a note saying, hey, 88 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: you can't say that, because that would be the end 89 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: of the relationship. 90 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: There are things regarding FCC rules you kind of can't say. 91 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: I think there are things in a way to present 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: things that ensures you the largest amount of audience without 93 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: going over the line. 94 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: I think that's important. 95 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: But if he wants to write a song that says 96 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: I see a divide, he's more than welcome to do so. 97 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: Now, his statement. 98 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: Regarding that he's just a twenty nine year old man 99 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: who's just as confused as everyone else. I'm not confused. 100 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I am sometimes shocked. I am sometimes saddened. I am 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: sometimes stunned, but I'm not confused, Zach, and I want 102 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: you to know that that's really not I think the 103 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: way to explain what it is that's going on the 104 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: way to explain what's going on is we have a 105 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: cultural issue where some have decided that those they disagree 106 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: with must be destroyed. 107 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: We have done this to. 108 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Ourselves via education and what we have allowed academia to become, 109 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: which is really the fault of the political rights, ceding 110 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: academia to the left, ceding culture to the left. 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: And it can be shown with recent examples. 112 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: How the left has engaged these subjects in trying to 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: create the further division. We talk about some of the 114 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: basic things, the transgender conversation and quote unquote issue. 115 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: This is not confusion. 116 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: There are grown men and grown women out there who 117 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: think it's okay to abuse children. There are grown men 118 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: and grown women out there who have a mental issue 119 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: regarding gender dysphoria. We don't believe that one should buy 120 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: into this, We don't believe that one should placate this. 121 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: We should treat it as mental illness respectfully. But if 122 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you want to abuse children by giving them pubity blockers 123 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: by giving them this that and the other by engaging 124 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: mutilation and removing their breasts or other things. The answer 125 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: is no. That is not confusion from both sides. That 126 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: is confusion from a side. If you take a look 127 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: at the sixteen nineteen project and you say America was 128 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: built on slavery, this is a lie. There is no 129 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: confusion except from those people who want to claim that 130 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: America's founding is dirty and evil. Starting with just a 131 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: historical basis that slavery has existed around the world, we 132 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't be proud of it. We should say clearly it 133 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: was wrong, because it was. We should say clearly that 134 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: no person can own another person. 135 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: We should say, without question, it should be taught. 136 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: But it is not our only thing to teach. It 137 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: is not our only part of history. And to say 138 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: that there is no good that has come from the 139 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: United States, that only thing we could do is not 140 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: only teach that we are evil creates divide, massive, massive divide. 141 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: To then take that and lead into the idea that 142 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,119 Speaker 1: based on skin color, you are either oppressed or an oppressor, 143 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: oppressed or an oppressor, and no matter what you are 144 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: as a person, no matter what you've done as a person, 145 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: as an actual individual, meaningless, meaningless. You are guilty for 146 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: your existence, You're guilty for the color of your skin. 147 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: Or you are oppressed, even if you don't. 148 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Feel like you're oppressed. Oh no, you are a person 149 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: of color. Therefore you're oppressed. You've always been impressed, to 150 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: always be oppressed because the United States is an oppressive nation. 151 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: Which it is not. Do I s sound confused to you? 152 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: I think that that's a real issue. Now. 153 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: If you're confused, okay, I'm not angry with you about. 154 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: It, Zach, not at all. You can be. 155 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: All I'm trying to do is share that the idea 156 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: that confused is everyone else. Not everyone else is confused. 157 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: I think it's the wrong use of the word. I 158 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: think that there are people in the United States who 159 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: have been lied to. I think there are people in 160 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: the United States who are trying to tear it all down. 161 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: If you want to argue that ICE is wrong for 162 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: doing its job, you can, but I think. 163 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: The argument falls flat. 164 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: If you want to argue that it's wrong that an 165 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: ICE agent wears a. 166 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: Mask, you can, But you can't just say it in 167 00:10:59,600 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: a vat. 168 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: You have to discuss why that is happening, because the 169 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: ICE agents are under attack from a group in society 170 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: that have decided that the laws don't matter if they 171 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: don't like them, and then from the people who don't 172 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: believe in laws at all. 173 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: Because the people who want to burn it all down. 174 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: You can argue that they are confused, but you can't 175 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: keep letting them burn it all down, because the truth is, 176 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: the confusion is not the subject of hand. The issue 177 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: at hand is they are dangerous and they're killing people. 178 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: They shot at ICE agents in Dallas. They just tried 179 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: to blow up ICE agents at the church in DC 180 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: where the Red Mass was taking place. The mask before 181 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court goes into session where Supreme Court justices 182 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: were there. Maybe when we hear the whole song, we'll 183 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: be able to come up with a thought on the song, 184 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: and maybe the song will be thought provoking. Maybe the 185 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: song will lead to conversations. I only have the snippet, 186 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: and the snippet can be seen as a hit on Ice. 187 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Of course, as a. 188 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I don't think there's a question here. 189 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Now is he speaking for himself or is he speaking 190 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: an observation? Is how Americans some Americans see this. I 191 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, but I'm going with a statement, 192 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: and a statement is well, a statement is not The 193 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: song is the song? When you hear it, you'll decide. 194 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm going on tour. 195 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 2: The song is. 196 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: Some attempt to try and explain that in and of 197 00:12:53,200 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: itself leaves everybody flat. If you're the artist, this is 198 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: my art, love it, hate it. This is what I 199 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: put out into the world. Zach, I think you should 200 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: go with that. Happy to talk anytime. This is Tony 201 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Katz today.