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Speaker 1: So there are new poll numbers out on Braun little

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Speaker 1: Little teaser here, they're bad. And that's a win for humanity. Ethan,

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. It's keittled Casey Show. I'm Rob.

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Speaker 1: Casey's out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the

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Speaker 1: Circle in for Casey. Nathan Gotch joins us now he

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Speaker 1: is with Independent Indiana. They have, of course, at a

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Speaker 1: big reveal late last week about how Hoosiers are feeling

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Speaker 1: and you guys said, let's reveal him on Kendall and Casey.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just, uh, Rob, I know that you you

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Speaker 2: like to talk about the governor, you like to talk

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll get to that in just a second.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back to the poll numbers you

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Speaker 1: By the way, Independent Indiana. We've had you on the

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Speaker 1: program before. You guys are sort of a new upstore organization.

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Speaker 1: Pretty well funded, you're pretty well organized, and you exist

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Speaker 2: We're a non partisan, nonprofit organization, and we want to

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Speaker 2: let people know that independents are already really successful. Fifty

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Speaker 1: All right, so before we get into these numbers, I

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Speaker 1: I bet they use some liberal pollster. No, you guys

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Speaker 1: Nathan Gotch is our guest from Independent Indiana. So let's

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Speaker 1: get to the poll numbers on redistricting. Pretty much matches

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Speaker 1: the other poll numbers we have seen, which is there

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Speaker 1: is not support in Indiana for redistricting across the Hoosier state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we pulled registered voters all across the state.

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Speaker 2: Fifty three percent of them are againt re districting, only

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Speaker 2: The dirty little secret about Republican redistrict is if they

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Speaker 2: So we asked who's your voters how they feel about

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Speaker 1: And this is why our shows so popular that I

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Speaker 1: This because I will never respond to a text message survey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know that they would be calling

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Speaker 2: But only twenty nine percent of Who's your voters right

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Speaker 1: You asked about two specific political candidates current incumbent office holders.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm not here to weigh in an opinion

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Speaker 2: I'll you I'll let you do that. So we asked

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Speaker 2: So twenty four percent favorable is incredibly low. Forty three

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Speaker 1: And I guess if you're bow Bi or Diego Morales,

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Speaker 2: So overall across the state, fifty seven percent of voters

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Speaker 1: But that ninety thousand dollars cars not paying off, Ethan.

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you that it's it's not out

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Speaker 2: So overall, the number of hoo's your voters who said

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Speaker 2: Just make five percent approval seventeen percent disapproval or favorable

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Speaker 1: And you said, and Ethan, I'm gonna take a little

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Speaker 1: pride in this. You said his numbers are worse here

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Speaker 2: That is true. So in Central Indiana his I have

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Speaker 2: these right here. Let me let me pull them up.

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Speaker 2: In Central Indiana, Diego Moreles is six percent favorable, one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm taking credit for that extra four percent

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Speaker 3: If he has a five percent approval rating overall, what

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Speaker 1: So it could be as low as one percent. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he's twice as twice as many people have an unfavorable

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Speaker 1: Well, and you hit the nail on the head. Though.

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Speaker 1: The staggering thing is this guy basically campaigns twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day, seven days a week. He uses his

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Speaker 1: office as nothing but a campaign tool, and fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent of the people in the state are like, no

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Speaker 1: idea who this guy even is?

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Speaker 3: Thirty thousand dollars for travel will spent rods Well.

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Speaker 1: And if you're bow bye, both both of you guys, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're bo bye, you got to say, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: can paint this guy whatever canvas I want to paint

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Speaker 1: him because I'm going to have, you know, millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars to spend. But if your Diego you get also say, well,

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Speaker 1: most people don't know about the shenanigans I've pulled, so

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Speaker 1: I can pay myself. Iver, I want to pay it myself, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: tell us about it about Independent Indiana. Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if I could raise ten million dollars, you've seen these

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Speaker 1: poll numbers. If I could raise ten million dollars, if

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Speaker 1: I just some benefactor, right, was like, here's ten million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I could team up with you guys, I could become

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Speaker 1: the governor. Right, ten million dollars, we can pull that off.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to talk to our board of director at first,

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Speaker 2: So what do we accept you? But I also look,

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Speaker 2: I think the headline for this is, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people around the state who feel disillusioned

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Speaker 2: with both political parties, with the candidates, with the elected

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Speaker 2: officials we have, and the message of this polling. What

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Speaker 2: this data tells us you are not alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's great. Tell us about Independent Indiana. I

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Speaker 1: think you guys are a great organization. I think you're

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing trying to let people know. Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who view the world if

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Speaker 1: you hate both parties. Tell us about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So as I said earlier. We're trying to spread

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Speaker 2: the word about independent success in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 2: You can learn more by going to independent Indiana dot org.

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Speaker 2: We're also working on a study to try to figure

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Speaker 2: out how we can make it easier for people, maybe

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Speaker 2: like you, mister Kendall, to run for higher office as

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Speaker 2: an independent and be successful. I know that people across

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Speaker 2: the state would quake when they hear that, but we

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Speaker 2: want good people in these elected a positions so that

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Speaker 2: they have the freedom to do it's best for their

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Speaker 2: constituents and not feel like they have to koutout to

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Speaker 2: whatever a political party leader tells them to do.

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Speaker 1: Ten million dollars, that's what I need. Nathan Gotch Thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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