1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: On this vote, the aids are two hundred and twenty two, 4 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: the ads are two nine. 5 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: The bill has passed. 6 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: The motion is adopted. 7 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: The bill has passed. 8 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: The motion is adopted, and we have ended the shutdown. Hey, 9 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: hold on, good work. And it sounded like I was 10 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: a little muffled there. You can't smoke a cigar and 11 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: clap and talk all at the same time. I mean, 12 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: that's that takes a special skill set. Tony Katz, Tony 13 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Katz today, Good to be with you, Good to be here. 14 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: Find everything at Tonykatz dot com. Two hundred and twenty 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: to two hundred and six, I'm sorry to two hundred 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: and nine. Six Democrats came across. Two Republicans voted against. 17 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: Of course, Thomas Massey voted against. It's what he does, 18 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: which is really a story in and of itself. It's 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: not even anymore that he could have a point about things. 20 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: It's just everything. It can't be everything. Some things you 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: gotta be okay with. Everything's a negative, and yet. 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 3: There is no. 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: You're not winning people over with your arguments. It's too 24 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: busy being snarky, and I don't like it when Trump 25 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: does it with him, but I'm sure his bloody heck 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: don't like it what he does with everybody. But leave that, 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: leave that be. This being over has to tell a story. 28 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: There is, at the end of the day, a post 29 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: mortem about these things. What is it that we experienced here? 30 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: What is it that we saw? 31 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: What we saw. 32 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: Was no real plan other than well, the last time 33 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: I did it one way and it didn't work. So 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: this time I'll do it this way and hopefully it'll work. 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: It's not a plan. You couldn't run a business like that, 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: chres bluddy heck, can't run a country like that. It 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: should be a reminder to everyone that there was a 38 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: conversation regarding government shutdown back in March, and what is 39 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: it that Chuck Schumer, the leader of the Democrats did. 40 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer said, we are not going to shut down 41 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: the government. Chuck sh humor said, it's a fool's errand 42 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: to do so, that's me paraphrasing that this is not 43 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: something of great value his words, and what happened to him, 44 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: He got the snot kicked out of him by everybody, 45 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: by everyone. 46 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: He let them down because he did not fight and 47 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: he was there. 48 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: I think it was on the on the view saying, well, 49 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: I felt like I had to do it. 50 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw it out to why what were 51 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: you thinking? 52 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: And why? 53 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: Okay, So look, I knew it was a difficult choice, 54 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: and I knew that I get a lot of criticism 55 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: from my choice, but I felt as a leader, I 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: had to do it. Here's why the c R Bill 57 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: was bad, no question, and it allowed a slush fund 58 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: which allowed money to be pushed. 59 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: Around for the people who don't know what. 60 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 4: Continue the government spending a shutdown. The alternative is cut 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: off the government spending. And here's what we would What 62 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 4: would happen if we cut off government spending? It would 63 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 4: be devastation like we have never seen. 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: Was saying, now much, here's why. That's why I did it. 65 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to take this flat just for having 66 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: a lot of fun. 67 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: It's so relatable. Why was it then devastation like you 68 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: would have never seen? 69 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: And now it was somehow righteous? 70 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: I have often argued, and I think that you've seen 71 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: this in your own life. 72 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: I don't think you need me. 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: To tell you this that the Democratic Party often acts 74 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: like when they say something, it's the first time it 75 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: was ever said. They act like there was no video 76 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: or no audio, no recording of them saying exactly the 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: opposite yesterday. The phrasing that I've used before is for 78 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: the left is progressive yesterday. And what they said yesterday 79 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: has absolutely no bearing on what they say today, and 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: what they say today will have absolutely no bearing on 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: what they say tomorrow. 82 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: Somehow, every day is this brand new day. 83 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: And if you notice what they said yesterday, why are 84 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: you paying attention to the past. 85 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: It's a crazed philosophy, except they do it. 86 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 2: I am pretty sure they do it because they still 87 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: believe that all the media is on their side and 88 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: the media will cover for them, and now the media 89 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: will cover them for them. That's very, very true. But 90 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: they are losing more and more of the media, more 91 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: and more people not watching the CNN and the MSNBC. 92 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't watch it. We watch it for 93 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: the lulls. I mean, what else, what other purpose is there, 94 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, to watch or for these things. 95 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: It's not for us to watch. It's for us to 96 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: get a good a good laugh at that's it. That's 97 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: the only thing to do is to get a good laugh. 98 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: At I mean, I've got some clips from Abby Phillips 99 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: show where Ben Ferguson is taking people to task just 100 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: like the rest of us would. 101 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: Regarding this Epstein disaster, Holy cow. 102 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: I said yesterday, I said, I haven't had a chance 103 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: to go over with the New York Times and others 104 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: are reporting regarding these new emails from Jeffrey Epstein that 105 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: bring up Donald Trump. But I will. But what did 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: I say, take a massive grain of salt when engaging 107 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: a conversation for the New York Times. Don't just believe 108 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: them for the sake of believing them. The only place 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: that has more salt than the grain of salt you 110 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: should take with something from the New York Times is. 111 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: The person running the fries over at McDonald's. That's it. 112 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: And sure enough what they put out is not what 113 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: they purported to have. They lied And Jonathan Carl, oh, 114 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: let me write that down. I forgot about him. 115 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, John Carl on Colbert's show, Holy heck, ABC. 116 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: Learns no lessons. And that's just it. 117 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: They think we don't notice them. 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: They think they could cover themselves, They think they can 119 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: get away with anything. Here's Schumer March eighteenth, twenty twenty five, 120 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: saying I had to do it. I had to not 121 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: allow the shutdown. It would be massive devastation. Yet now 122 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: you allow the massive devastation. 123 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: Huh. 124 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: That's called not having a plan. It is obvious to 125 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: everybody who pays attention that the shutdown was about a 126 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: reaction to what happened the first time around with book tours. 127 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: Can't remember you had a book coming out? Book tours canceled, 128 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: and of course he had to cancel his new show, 129 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: and Food Network had to. 130 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: Make a cheeseburger. He had to cancel it all. 131 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: By the way, if you don't know about Chuck Schumer 132 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: and cheeseburgers, just go to your search engine and go 133 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer cheeseburger and then you will feel ill. So 134 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: he did this. Now let's take it down a part two. 135 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: The party wanted to shut down. They weren't gonna let 136 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: Trump get away with it. That the the the party apparatchic. 137 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: These progressives of foaming at the mouth, violent types, they 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: demanded it. And I ways say foaming at the mouth 139 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: violent types, I mean Jasmine Crockett. 140 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: They demanded that this happened so you did it. You 141 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: shut it down. 142 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: Now, what it is so important that everybody understands Alynsky's 143 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: rules for radicals? And you say to me, why in 144 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: the world would I care about what it is that 145 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: some a Marxist Saul Lynsky would put out into the world. Well, 146 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: I think it's very, very important that you pay attention 147 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: to what it is that someone like Saul Lensky would 148 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: put out. 149 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: Into the world. Let me give you an example here of. 150 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: Part of what it is that the rules for radical state, 151 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: the rules for radical state. That power is not only 152 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have. 153 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: How you never go out the outside the experience of 154 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: your people, and whenever possible, go outside the experience of 155 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: your enemy. 156 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: Here is the big one. 157 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. 158 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: Now I actually grab these rules from Wikipedia, but these 159 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: are indeed the rules. They actually got this one correct 160 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: and accurate. The price of a successful attack is a 161 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: constructive alternative, meaning that if you are to actually achieve, 162 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: you now have to deal with what it is that 163 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: you've achieved. If the objective is government shutdown, you have 164 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: to shut down to a purpose. One would think, but no, 165 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: if you shut down and you don't have a purpose, 166 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: you don't have a state of goal, what exactly do 167 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: you have? What exactly is the constructive alternative? And Chuck 168 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: Schumer never consulted this because he said, hey, we're gonna 169 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: shut down the government. Everyone said, hey, we're gonna shut 170 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: down the government. Hooray, that's fantastic. And then absolutely nothing happened. Nothing. 171 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: It was nothing. 172 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: But silence. Every now and again, the train would go by, 173 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: people would wonder what they were doing on that train, 174 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: whether they were having a good time. Oh, that little 175 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: distraction's gone. Now they're back to the shutdown with no 176 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: end game in sight. The shutdown began with no end 177 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: game in sight. So what did they do? What did 178 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: they realize after maybe day three, we're going to need 179 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: an endgame? I got it, Obamacare subsidies. You think I'm 180 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: rewriting history. I think I'm accurately denoting history. So maybe 181 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: it was only two days, maybe it was four days. 182 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: That's not the point. The shutdown was predicated on the 183 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: idea that they could not keep the government open because 184 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer saw what happened the last time he did, 185 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: and he wasn't willing to do that again, because he's 186 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: got Alexandria Casi Kortez nipping at his heels, breathing down 187 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: his neck, whatever else type of thing you want to 188 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: call it. He had to do it. The party demanded it, 189 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: and then they said, all right, Chucky, Chucky, what's the plan. 190 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: Boo boo, And Chuck Schumer said, huh, you know what, 191 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: you know what, here's the plan. And he didn't have 192 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: really a plan, and the people said yeah, they were 193 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: not impressed. And then he said, I got it. Obamacare subsidies, 194 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, chee burgers for everybody. No, no 195 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: one wants one of my world famous Chuck schumerbergers. Now, 196 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: that's shocking, shocking to me. No question of whether or 197 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: not this was popular, no question of whether or not 198 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: this would be seen as valuable. As a matter of fact, 199 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: I would argue it took days for everybody to get 200 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: on board with this idea, because the whole idea was 201 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: the idea, the concept that somehow you couldn't negotiate this later, 202 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: somehow Republicans wouldn't negotiate this at all. 203 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: But they said, no, no, no, this way we'll have the subject. 204 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: This way we'll be able to talk about it in 205 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: large measure, and when Republicans do vote for it, which 206 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: seemingly they're going to do right now, that's the way 207 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: it looks, we'll be able to say, see, we forced 208 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: them to the table. You could have done that in 209 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: a week and a half. You could have ended this 210 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: after the No Kings rally. You could have ended this. 211 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: After the election. 212 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: And some people are gonna say, well, Tony, they did 213 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: ended after the election. 214 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: No, they didn't. 215 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: Because you had Richard Blumenthal, Democratic senator from Connecticut who 216 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: lied about his Vietnam service, saying we can't end this. 217 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: You had Chris Murphy, Democratic Senator, beta mail from Connecticut 218 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: saying if we've end this, we're gonna hurt our chances 219 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: in the midterms. 220 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: And look at all the angry. 221 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Democrats you have because a couple of Democrats in the 222 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: Senate said. 223 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: You're all nuts. 224 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: This is over. Well, Chuck Schumer arranged that, maybe, but 225 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: the anger is still there. 226 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer engaged. 227 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: A shutdown because of his political reality, but the progressives 228 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: wanted to keep the sh down because they want. 229 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: To control political reality. They love the. 230 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: Power, They loved seeing people get hurt, They love watching 231 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: children starve. Now you say to me, that's rude. I'm 232 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: telling you what else can I take from what it 233 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: is they did? The plan was Chuck Schumer's survival and 234 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: the survival of Democrats against a progressive base that is 235 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: more rabbid than them, but only it's a certain measure, 236 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: because Democrats are equally rabid. And I know this because 237 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: they're upset that the shutdown ended. So what's really the difference? 238 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: It was about his political survival, and it became about 239 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: how do you satisfy is that a constructive alternative? Doesn't 240 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: sound like it. But it's over now, and now we 241 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: will see where this fallout goes. I'm Tony Katz, and 242 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: this is Tony Katz today.