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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: So there's a shutdown going on, and as we all know,

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Speaker 2: it's the end of civilization.

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Speaker 3: No weight, it's day three or day four or day

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Speaker 3: nine hundred and six. I don't know. It's fine. Yes,

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Speaker 3: some people aren't getting paid. I hear you. I get it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying no. What I'm telling you is it's

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Speaker 3: just not.

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Speaker 2: Any call at all, in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 2: for panic. It never has been. There's no panic that

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Speaker 2: can come from it. There's no anything else we should

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Speaker 2: be doing except.

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Speaker 3: Saying, okay, all right, this is the way it is.

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Speaker 2: There's a shutdown, and we're all going to survive it,

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Speaker 2: all of us, all at once. It's just that easy,

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Katz today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I wish there was more of a kind of oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, here's how important it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's not.

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Speaker 2: This is one shutdown, and that's going to then lead

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Speaker 2: to us having this conversation on November twenty first. November

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Speaker 2: twenty first, this all comes back, all of this just

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Speaker 2: a little bit of history repeating Now you're right, in

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Speaker 2: the chat room. The shutdown may not be much for us,

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Speaker 2: but for Chuck Schumer this could end his career.

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Speaker 3: That is true, That is very very true.

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Speaker 2: It is bad news for Chuck Schumer because he misread

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Speaker 2: all about it. I know that if I go and

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Speaker 2: look at News Nation right there, for example, they will

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Speaker 2: show me this headline. My gosh, what a headline. Trump

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Speaker 2: administration could lay off thousands during shutdown.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, that's a good thing. Oh, I'm down with that.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Laying off thousands? And they'll

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Speaker 2: stay laid off, right, that'll be the story. They'll lose

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Speaker 2: their jobs, we'll never have to bring them back, or

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Speaker 2: or if we have to bring some people back, we

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Speaker 2: get to bring back our people.

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Speaker 3: And of course the conversation.

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Speaker 2: That here you have this happening and Democrats refuse to

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Speaker 2: realize that they're the ones who are going to be

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Speaker 2: out of the jobs.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's that line from.

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Speaker 2: Ram Emmanuel that got quoted many times during the Obama years,

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Speaker 2: never let a crisis go to waste, You remember that line.

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Speaker 2: People were outraged by that line. How disgusting, how despicable,

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Speaker 2: how craven. But everyone always forgets what came next, Ram

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel said, never let a crisis go to waste, because

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Speaker 2: it allows you to do things you otherwise could not do.

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Speaker 2: The point that I make there is that Ram Emmanuel

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Speaker 2: was not interested in beating around the butches.

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Speaker 3: He was not playing around the ash edges.

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Speaker 2: He said to you, everything is an opportunity to screw

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Speaker 2: the other guy. And I'm gonna screw that dude with

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Speaker 2: his pants on. I'm going to screw that Yeah, dude

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Speaker 2: so bad, you're gonna think my name is Ron Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna get rough up in here. That's what wrong

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Speaker 2: Manuel said.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry if it's crude, but it's factual.

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Speaker 2: This was made clear by Harry Reid, the late senator

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Speaker 2: from Nevada, who deserves none of your respect, and the

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Speaker 2: fact that an airport was named after him is despicable.

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Speaker 3: They should immediately remove his name from the airport.

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Speaker 2: This was a craven, despicable political guy, nasty, ugly, and

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Speaker 2: I state to you that this is the guy who

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Speaker 2: said of Mitt Romney when he was running for president.

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Speaker 2: You know that Mitt Romney he didn't even pay his taxes.

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Speaker 2: And people said, I'm sorry, what what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Sena Reid, can you explain you're saying that Mitt Romney

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Speaker 2: didn't pay his tax? What are you referring to? And

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Speaker 2: Harry Reid said, don't ask me, ask Mitt Romney. And

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Speaker 2: years later Harry read older and Frail said, Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: probably wasn't the nicest thing to do, but.

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Speaker 3: We won, didn't we.

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Speaker 2: Some lessons are very very hard to forget, the level

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Speaker 2: the uninterested that they are in being people who actually

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Speaker 2: support America or the American way of life. No, destroy, destroy, destroy,

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Speaker 2: Never let a crisis go to waste, because it allows

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Speaker 3: And we one didn't.

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Speaker 2: We is saying, when there is no crisis, create one.

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Speaker 2: You think I'm going to cry because some people are

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Speaker 2: going to lose their jobs, I don't care. And I

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Speaker 2: don't care because see this is the part they'll always

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Speaker 2: cut out. Maybe we don't need all those jobs to

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Speaker 2: begin with. And know one is guaranteed a job. When

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Speaker 2: I lose my job on radio. The total amount of

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Speaker 2: people in governments who are going to cry is zero.

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Speaker 2: There's a progressive that's going to cry, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: this radio host lost his job. Man, I heard that

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz.

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Speaker 3: Lost his job. Oh gosh, that is rough. I really

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Speaker 2: You think that the Harry Reid, Rob Emanuel set is

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Speaker 2: going to cry for my family show concern about how

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Speaker 2: my kids get through college anytime, ever, anywhere, Do not

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Speaker 2: ask me to do the same, especially when we're talking

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Speaker 3: The reason I state that I do not care.

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Speaker 2: Is that if we reduce the size of government, we

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Speaker 2: rude to say I don't care, but these guys wanted

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Speaker 2: to use any crisis they could to destroy your life

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Speaker 2: lie in the well of the Senate in order to

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Speaker 2: win elections. I don't think that you should get hurt.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that your family should go hungry. I

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Speaker 2: hope those things don't happen. But worry about your government

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Speaker 2: job and somehow believe that it is sacrifanct and above

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Speaker 2: reproach that you can't cancel these jobs. You can't cut

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Speaker 2: these jobs. You can't cut from here, you can't reduce

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Speaker 2: from there. Somehow, that's all above the fray. They will

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Speaker 2: not cry for me. Oh, and trucker, they will not

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Speaker 2: cry for you. Police officer, there will be no tears. Nurse,

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Speaker 2: you already know what they'll do to you if you

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Speaker 2: don't take a vaccine. No, no, I will not do.

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Speaker 2: Not ask me to somehow be more kind. We're not

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Speaker 2: talking about anything other than people who believe that they

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Speaker 2: are owed something.

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Speaker 3: Not doing that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't get me wrong. When you lose your job,

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Speaker 2: it stinks. I spoke to someone last night who got

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Speaker 2: laid off. They knew it was coming, they knew it

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Speaker 3: Sense of purpose with a job. One hundred percent. I

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Speaker 3: You know what he didn't say to me.

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Speaker 2: You know I'm owed a job. You know they have

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Speaker 2: to cut my job. My job's the most important thing

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Speaker 2: in the world. But yet somehow government workers always believe this,

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Speaker 2: and Democrats always try to push this.

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Speaker 3: So when I see that thousands may be laid off.

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Speaker 2: Okay, don't ask me to care about that, ask me

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Speaker 2: to care about whether or not the job was necessary

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Speaker 2: to begin with, because you are not engaged in a

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Speaker 2: conversation of well, everybody needs a job. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: what it takes to run the United States government, and

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Speaker 2: not all these jobs are necessary. And since it is

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Speaker 2: indeed our dollars, we have a say in it, and

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Speaker 2: government is not supposed to be a job's program. So

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Speaker 2: what you're telling me people upset with this idea of

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Speaker 2: layoffs is somehow we owe these people these jobs.

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Speaker 3: We have to have these jobs.

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Speaker 2: We always have to have these jobs, and we can

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Speaker 2: never lessen the amount of jobs that we have.

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Speaker 3: No thanks, no thanks.

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Speaker 2: What we should do is make it easier for the

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Speaker 3: Can't wait to see that.

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Speaker 2: And just like I refuse to engage some level of

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Speaker 2: in a shutdown, because I believe that the loss of

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Speaker 2: the gigs should be permanent in many of these cases,

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Speaker 2: and the savings should be passed on to us. I

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Speaker 2: am not going to shed a tear for a shutdown

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Speaker 2: that never had to be. Chuck Schumer did this because

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer wanted to show how tough he was to

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Speaker 2: progressives so he could win a primary against Representative Ocossio

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Speaker 2: Cortes for Senate. Now, let's say you don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you think that's just the right one talking,

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Speaker 2: and you don't believe that at all.

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Speaker 3: You're more than welcome not to believe that at all.

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Speaker 3: You go right ahead and don't believe that at all.

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Speaker 2: Give me another reason, Well, Tony, he's trying to save Obamacare. No, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not until the end of December when we talk

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Speaker 2: about Obamacare and the subsidies. And we've already stated and

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Speaker 2: I will get into this as clear as day. Trump's

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Speaker 2: look what I did for people. Trump's going to steal

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Speaker 2: it from the Democrats. There was no point in this

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Speaker 2: all avoidable. This is something that was wanted in a

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Speaker 2: and you've got culture on your side and everything else,

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Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, look we're we're gonna paint Republicans

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Speaker 3: And none of it worked. None of it worked zero.

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Speaker 2: And we should be clear that these cuts that are

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Speaker 3: All Schumer.

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Speaker 4: Everybody needs to understand how this works. When Congress decides

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Speaker 4: to turn off the lights to shut the government down,

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Speaker 4: it shifts the authority to the executive brands. That's how

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Speaker 4: it down. So what happens in that situation, whoever is

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Speaker 3: They have to look at all of that.

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Speaker 4: And say you know which things are deemed essential and

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Speaker 4: White House gets to then apply their lenses of review.

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Speaker 2: Now what's interesting here is that first they will tell

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Speaker 2: you that they're fighting for people, and then they'll tell

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Speaker 2: you that the people can never lose their job. Healthcare

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Speaker 2: has to be provided ten thousand percent by government, and

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Speaker 2: jobs have to be provided ten thousand percent by government

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Speaker 2: at every moment. Their answer is more. Their answer is growing,

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Speaker 2: Their answer is more services. Their answer is more government

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Speaker 2: at every moment, every single moment, the same position applause.

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Speaker 3: So they must.

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Speaker 2: Believe that not only can they win on this idea

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Speaker 2: of the Obamacare subsidies, Trump's gonna start cutting RUSS RUSS

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Speaker 2: vote over that the Opfice Management Budget's gonna start cutting,

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Speaker 2: and they think they're gonna win again. They think that

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Speaker 2: the American people are gonna be upset with the job cuts.

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Speaker 2: They are necessary jobs and we're the ones paying for them.

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Speaker 2: If the Trump administration because of this shutdown, because Chuck

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Speaker 2: Schumer miscalculated which he does a lot. If they start

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Speaker 2: cutting parts of the uh government workforce, you know what

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Speaker 2: voters are gonna say, this is what I voted for,

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Speaker 2: reducing the size of government.

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Speaker 3: This is like DOGE two point zero, which we should

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Speaker 3: still be do. This is good.

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Speaker 2: What about our lives? You keep telling me about these

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Speaker 2: people who work for government?

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Speaker 3: What about me? Who pays for the people who work

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Speaker 3: for government? Do we really need all those people?

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Speaker 2: I make sacrifices in my life for my family, for

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Speaker 2: my family's budget. There are things I do without. There

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Speaker 2: are things I do with less of, even though I

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Speaker 2: don't want to. What about them? And they always say,

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Speaker 2: how dare you? Like?

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Speaker 3: They're Greta Tunberg? They just don't have the frog hats?

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Speaker 2: Did she get down off the boat as she was

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Speaker 2: heading to uh Gaza because she supports terrorists?

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Speaker 3: Because well she's an abused child.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to support terrorism is just to show how

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Speaker 2: mentally deficient you are. People sacrifice every day and somehow

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Speaker 2: governments shouldn't. Government is sanker sank These jobs must remain Nah. No,

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Speaker 2: the shutdown is on Schumer. The job loss is on Schumer.

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Speaker 3: And that's that we are in day three.

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Speaker 2: Who knows how many more days we'll have, but they're

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Speaker 2: not going to shed a tear for you.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget that. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today,