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Speaker 1: the time, but I loved it called Three o'clock High.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Three o'clock High? Eddie Nople

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Speaker 1: Three o'clock High had a guy named Jerry Mitchell that

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Speaker 1: Buddy Revel, the new kid at school. And Buddy Ravel

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Speaker 1: is just basically a war terror machine.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like something Shannon would text you Monday through

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Speaker 2: Friday at three o'clock, a scheduled text every single day. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that is correct, it's three o'clock taking what that means.

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Speaker 1: Well. In the movie Three o'clock High, three o'clock means

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Speaker 1: after school at three o'clock we're having a fight, which

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Speaker 1: is what Buddy Vel says to Jerry Mitchell, right. And

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Speaker 1: today it's not three o'clock high, but four o'clock high

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Speaker 1: after the show four o'clock we're having a fight. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying a fight, but something's got to come

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Speaker 1: to a head for the Colts, presumably or potentially by

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Speaker 1: four o'clock today, because this is franchise tag deadline day,

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Speaker 1: and the Colts need to find out by four o'clock

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Speaker 1: today whether or not they're going If they're going to

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Speaker 1: and if they do it at the quarterback position, it's

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Speaker 1: We did this yesterday I realized. But let's go back

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Speaker 1: where the Colts were seven and two. Okay, And at

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Speaker 1: Maybe the discussion then would have been are we certain

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Speaker 2: Which injury the fractured fibula or the achilles, because we

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Speaker 2: It started in that game in Germany against Atlanta, and

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Speaker 1: Right, and then what game? How many games after that?

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Speaker 1: The next game against Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: So Pittsburgh is the one I'm telling you we could

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Speaker 1: Sure he's going to be a free agent, and sure

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Speaker 1: Would you like to guess what it is that of

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd have to think here on I'm going

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Speaker 1: Pitt basketball is And I have a really interesting question

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Speaker 1: basketball for Indiana and Purdue. Now, I am, by nature,

436
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: I typically roll my eyes at most things when it

437
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: comes to prognostications. I find a lot of things to be,

438
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit absurd because you know, one

439
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: thing I've never bought into. I've never understood this. The

440
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: live tracker during games of this team has a ninety

441
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: eight point eight percent chance of winning games. Games going

442
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: ebb and flow. There's comebacks, you know that. I like

443
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: the people like, do you realize that when Indiana won

444
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: that game, they had a ninety nine nine percent chance

445
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: of losing that game. Well they didn't, they won, you know,

446
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know. I've never bought into that,

447
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: and certainly some of the stuff with baseball. And I'm

448
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: actually kind of excited for the upcoming baseball season and

449
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: spring training and the World Baseball Classic and all of that.

450
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: I've kind of I've rekindled my friendship with baseball.

451
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, we do have minor breaking news in baseball.

452
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: Jake It's not a big name, but he plays for

453
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: the Braves, so it's worth noting. Jokes and real far discussed.

454
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Speaker 2: Suspended for all one sixty two really through ped Yeah,

455
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: he tested positive last year and missed half the season.

456
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: Apparently he didn't learn his lesson.

457
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: That's not good. No out for the season. Okay, here's

458
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna get out. Bracketology Joe Lonardi. I usually

459
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: roll my eyes with these kinds of things, but it's

460
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: almost like the selection committee follows bracketology, because more often

461
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: than not, Joelenardi will have like sixty six or sixty

462
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: seven of the sixty eight teams correct. I mean, it

463
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: really is remarkable Okay, right now, in his latest bracketology,

464
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: which was updated this morning, he has right now as

465
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: the final team in playing in Dayton in the play

466
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: in game against the Lobos of New Mexico, which I

467
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: believe are coached by Richard Patino.

468
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: I thought Richard was with Xavier.

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00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Now, oh, you know what, You're right? Who did New

470
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: Mexico hire? Because when Sean Miller went the Texas Patino

471
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: w and z Zavier? You are correct, who did New

472
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Mexico hire? That's kind of always been a springboard job.

473
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Jason Houghton.

474
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Speaker 1: Jason Houghton no relation to Bird Hooton, who's on industrial

475
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Arts at Eastwood. Okay, either way, New Mexico and Indiana

476
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: playing in the last four in the last four in

477
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: in the play in game in Dayton. So right now

478
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Leonardi has Indiana literally tenuously holding on as the last

479
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: team in. Now, does that mean, assuming they are able

480
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: to beat Minnesota, does that mean that the Indiana game

481
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: with the Ohio State is a play in for the

482
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: play in? Not necessarily because Leonardi right now, and again

483
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: I get that this is all mock stuff, but I'm

484
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: telling you it's a pretty simple formula. It's a very

485
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: transparent formula that the selection committee uses, and Lenardi is

486
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: dialed into that, and so I think it is an

487
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: outstanding barometer. It's almost like this is legitimately gospel of

488
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: this is what the selection committee is saying. Lonardi right

489
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: now has Ohio State as the other pairing in Dayton

490
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: taking on Santa Clara. So right now he has both

491
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Speaker 1: Indiana Ohio State in the first four out, and the

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00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: good news for Purdue, he still has Purdue on the

493
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: three seed line. Purdue is faltering and sliding backward quickly,

494
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: but they have so many impressive wins on their resume.

495
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: Even with the losses they've had at MACKI, Purdue still

496
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: sitting as a three seed, and I could see them

497
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: being a four seed. So I think that's good that

498
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: they're still there in the three and speaks to the

499
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: quality of some of their big time wins. But right

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00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: now in the first four out Virginia Tech, Virginia Commonwealth,

501
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: San Diego State, and Auburn Auburn, who, in my opinion,

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: if Auburn did not have recency bias, if Auburn didn't

503
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: have a dynamic, colorful former coach that is still working

504
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: as a studio analyst whose son got the team because

505
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: of the timing of the departure of Bruce Pearl, then

506
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: Auburn has zero reason to be in this conversation.

507
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: On eleventh and the sec six and ten in conference play,

508
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: fifteen and fourteen on the season, and Bruce Pearl, the

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00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Pete organ has the audacity.

510
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Speaker 1: To claim an any way, shape or form that that team, which,

511
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: by the way, he referred to a WII. The second

512
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: that you become a studio analyst and you put you

513
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: there's no WI anymore. If you are supposedly an objective

514
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: studio analyst working, then the only we in your vernacular

515
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: should be when you go home and play Nintendo. That's it.

516
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: Or if you're speaking French, or.

517
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: If you're speaking French.

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00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: They lost seven of their last eight games.

519
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, give me a break, give me a break.

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00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: They are the last team to beat Florida.

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00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Okay, great, that's it, blind score. But for for Bruce

522
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Pearl to in any way, shape or form discredit what

523
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Miami's done, I don't care one I own. I don't

524
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: care that Miami's coaching staff is largely guys from Indiana.

525
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't care that Miami plays in you know that

526
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends went to school at Miami.

527
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't care that my cousin Doug's son Bryce goes

528
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: to Miami currently. I don't care that Miami plays in

529
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the same league as ball State, and so therefore, you know,

530
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: we feel kind of a kinship to them. I don't

531
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: care that Miami is where Benjamin Harrison, whose residence is

532
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: two minutes from where I'm sitting right now, went to

533
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: school there. I don't care for any of those reasons.

534
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Miami is undefeated. They're undefeated in a Division one conference. Yeah,

535
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: it might not be the ACC or the Big twenty,

536
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: but nonetheless, Big eighteen, whatever it is. Nonetheless, when you

537
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: are I said this before and I'll say it again,

538
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: when you start getting upward around eighteen or nineteen to zero,

539
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: and certainly when you are the last unbeaten within your season,

540
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: you start playing against the record, You start playing against

541
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: the internal pressure of trying to be perfect. And it

542
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: is so impressive what Miami has done for my If

543
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio, if Miami of Ohio runs the table

544
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: in the regular season undefeated and gets upset in their

545
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: own conference tournament, and as a result of that is

546
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: left out of the NCAA Tournament and a school like

547
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: Auburn gets in, shut it down, inexcusable. And the other

548
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: thing is this what makes March Madness what it is.

549
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: The NCAA Tournament is the greatest tournament in the country,

550
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: probably in the world, and the reason being is because

551
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: we get captivated by the magic of Cinderella. We love

552
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: the underdog story. This is a country that loves the

553
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: underdog story and loves to see the little guy. We

554
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: love to see David going up against Goliath, and yes,

555
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: in the end, the goliath of what bring in television

556
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: ratings when it comes to playing for a championship. But

557
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the early rounds, what's the first thing

558
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: that people say at five o'clock on a Thursday of

559
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament opening week and if they had to

560
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: work late, they come in and they go were there

561
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: any bracketbusters who got beat? And what do we remember

562
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: about March. Sure we remember Keith smart shot, Sure we

563
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: remember Christian Laytner's shot. Sure we remember Chris Jenkins winning

564
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: it for Villanova. But the indelible images and memory of

565
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: March Madness is Bryce Drew forro Val Pereiso knocking out

566
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: fourth seed in Mississippi, or Northern Iowa knocking out and

567
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: slaying Kansas to go to the sweet sixteen, or was

568
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: it Northwestern State that knocked out Iowa when they were

569
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: a three seed? And the magic moments of the little

570
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: guy Hampton knocking out Iowa State and Jamal Tensley and

571
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: their coach getting carried off the floor. Those are the

572
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: magic moments that we live for when it comes to

573
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the tournament. And it's for that reason alone that Miami,

574
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: even if they get a loss in their postseason tournament,

575
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: with an undefeated season, Miami has earned the right to

576
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: be able to go in and get one of those wins.

577
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: And if Miami were to go in in the first

578
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: or second round and knock off a Florida or knock

579
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: off a Nebraska, we will remember that and talk about

580
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: it for much longer than we would if fifteen and

581
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: twelve Auburn limbs their way in and gets a couple wins.

582
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: Georgia did it a couple years ago. They were like

583
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: an eleven seed, they were seventeen and thirteen or something,

584
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: and they won two games, and it's like, well, Georgia

585
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: certainly justified getting in Okay, great, they're out of the

586
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: sec The magic of March is teams like Miami that

587
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: have earned their right and earned their stripes. And nobody

588
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: should know that better than Bruce Pearl, who won a

589
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: championship at Southern Indiana, who had success at Milwaukee that

590
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: then catapulted him in to the right to coach at Auburn.

591
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: He should be championing. That's a hard word to say.

592
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: He should be taking the cause of Miami, not only

593
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: because he, of all people, should relate to it, but

594
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: also because it's what's right about March. A group of

595
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: veteran players coming together and going undefeated. It's awesome and

596
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: they absolutely deserve everything coming their way. But right now,

597
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: perdue A three, Indiana is in as it stands right now.

598
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: But I do have a question about the NCAA tournament

599
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that I've discussed now with two different people.

600
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Leonardi has Miami as an eleven

601
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: seed right now, Jake, that.

602
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: Puts them pretty tenuous, but in right, yep, you know.

603
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I the other day I found my dad's bracket from

604
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, my dad's workpool bracket from nineteen eighty

605
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: one when Indiana won it all and we were a

606
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: huge IU fan. My dad was a big IU fan.

607
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: I remember nineteen eighty one, we went down to Santa

608
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Bell Island. I remember watching the final four, the Champapionship

609
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: game in Santa bel But we stopped, true story and

610
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: got a hotel room on the drive down to be

611
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: able to watch the Indiana LSU game. But in that

612
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: tournament when I found my dad's office bracket pool in

613
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: a desk at my parents' house, and I'm like, my

614
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: dad picked Oregon State to win it all. Oregon State

615
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: that year was twenty six and oh. They lost their

616
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: final game of the regular season to Arizona State. They

617
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: got into the tournament. Back then, you had to buy.

618
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: They got to buy. In the first round. They were

619
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: defeated by eight cedy Kansas State to open the tournament.

620
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: They last lost their last two games to go twenty

621
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: six and two. And it seems silly that my dad

622
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: would pick Oregon State, who had been number one for

623
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: eight weeks in the nineteen eighty one season, had the

624
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: Pac ten Player of the Year on the roster. You

625
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: look at it now and you go, you picked Oregon

626
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: State to win it all? Who in the world picks on,

627
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: but they were twenty six and oh and at some

628
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: point you reward a team because to go that long,

629
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: and they probably lost that game to Arizona State at

630
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I don't remember exactly what

631
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: the circumstances were, but they're playing against the record and

632
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: the pressure up it. But I've got a great NCAA

633
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: tournament question and I need Eddie to bridge the generation

634
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,279
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649
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: five dollars off per person on the signeup just twenty

650
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: five dollars off per person or one hundred dollars off

651
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: for the force him for the Fan Invitational Golf outing

652
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: out at the Legends in Franklin. We certainly hope to

653
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: see there with March Madness upon us, Eddie. I got

654
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: to thinking about this, Okay. It's always dangerous when you

655
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: start thinking, and I'll do it in terms of a

656
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: five year window because in the Age Old era of

657
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: college basketball, basically you were given five years to complete

658
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: your eligibility.

659
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Was this something that kept you up last night?

660
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: Yes?

661
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: Okay, three in the morning? Brain drop on this one. Okay.

662
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: Now I've had the discussion with two different people, Chris

663
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: Hagen being one of them.

664
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Speaker 4: And.

665
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: Was your best friend the other one?

666
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: No?

667
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: No, no, definitely not that. Let's talking about Shannon.

668
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Shannon does enjoy the NCAA tournament. She loves going and

669
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: watching the opening round games in particular, and she likes

670
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: the underdog stories. Does she fill out a bracket? No, okay,

671
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: she would, I can tell you right now. Though she

672
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: root for the Indiana team, she's a Homer at heart,

673
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: but I think she also kind of likes North Carolina.

674
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Having said that, here's my question, all right, and I

675
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: think that there is an age bias that comes into this,

676
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: and I believe that I might fall into that age

677
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: bias a little bit, okay, And thus why I think

678
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: bringing you in will be interesting here. The NCAA Tournament

679
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: began in nineteen thirty nine. Northwestern was the host of

680
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: the first one, and then Northwestern went like seventy years

681
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: without getting invited, which I find rude. Right, as I've

682
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: said before, you know everybody else they went to northwesterns

683
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and had a party, and then they're like, we're having

684
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: a party, Come to our party, and Northwestern was never

685
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: invited to the party, which is uncomfortable. But what five

686
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: year period if you consider the star power of the schools,

687
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: the blue blood nature of the programs, the popularity of

688
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: the coaches involved, the cares of the players, the pop

689
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: culture reference on Saturday Night Live to people filling out

690
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: a bracket, to commercials for it, to the theme music

691
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: to one Shining Moment, to all of it from nineteen

692
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: thirty nine to present. What would you say was the

693
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: five year period that enjoyed the greatest relevance and oomph

694
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: and the zenith period of the NCAA Tournament and Final four?

695
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: What five year era would you go with with all

696
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: of those things considered in say that's when it was

697
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: at its absolute cultural biggest. I think there are two

698
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: that I can think of in a five year stretch,

699
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: and I'll explain my cases as well, but you begin

700
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: and give me yours.

701
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: Was it that stretch where Butler made the Final Four?

702
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: And was it consecutive years with Goordon Hayward yep? And

703
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: then they made it to the ah the I want

704
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: to say, the Elite eight, maybe the Sweet sixteen three

705
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: years later.

706
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm speaking nationally though not just for you.

707
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: No speaking, I know, but still I felt like during

708
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: that stretch, that was a time and where college basketball

709
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: wasn't about in il. It wasn't about the transfer portal.

710
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: It was great about Okay, what can you do from

711
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: a recruiting standpoint, and how can you coach your team

712
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: x's and those wise to put your position up players

713
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: in the best position to win. And you had, you know,

714
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: the Butlers, you had the smaller college schools making these

715
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: runs in the tournament that weren't precedential.

716
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: That's true. I mean it was there VCU and Shaana

717
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: Smart was right there in that. Yeah, you still had

718
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Jim Calhoun and Connecticut, Jim Beaheim. Syracuse team was elite

719
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: at that point, Kentucky and Caliperi was putting together great

720
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: teams at that time. Okay, fair, So we'll say, just

721
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: for that sake, Okay, we'll say your period of two

722
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: thousand and eight to twelve. Okay, yeah, I would have

723
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: been all right, I'll look at the exact year. Now

724
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: here are the two that I came up with. And

725
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is correct. I someone older than

726
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: I may say, no, Jake, it's the years when al

727
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Sinder and Walton were transitioning from one of the next

728
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: to UCLA, and Wooden was doing his thing and USLA

729
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: was undefeated. Okay, I have no idea, you know, I've

730
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: asked people a lot, like when Indiana was undefeated in

731
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: seventy six, the last to do it. How how big

732
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: an emphasis was the final four? How pop culturally big

733
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: was it. I don't know that answer, but I think

734
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: it's one of two eras that I can think of,

735
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: and I am genuinely curious if it's an age bias.

736
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Speaker 1: The first is nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty four,

737
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: seventy nine, eighty eighty one, eighty two, eight, so eighty three. Okay,

738
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: So that that five years stretch, and that five year

739
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: stretch you started out with Larry Bird versus Magic Johnson,

740
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Indiana State unbeaten. So too that year, by the way,

741
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: in the final four, was Penn unbeaten or no Rutgers?

742
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Penn was not undefeated.

743
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: They were in the final four. Rutgers was undefeated in

744
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: seventy six. My apologies, but either way, the seventy nine

745
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: final four, the breakthrough final four. Then after that and

746
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: between seventy nine and eighty three, you had Louisville winning,

747
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: You had Isaiah Thomas in Indiana with Bob Knight, you

748
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: had Michael Jordan hitting a game winning shot for North Carolina.

749
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: You had the emergence of Patrick Ewing, and you had

750
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: five slam a jama and that five year stretch. That's

751
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: pretty rich. The other one I would go to would

752
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: be like eighty eight to ninety two, you got Danny

753
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: Manning with Danny and the Miracles and Kansas winning it

754
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: with a senior laden guy that them shout out Kevin

755
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Pritchard as well. The eighty nine team. You had the

756
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: Flying a Line Eye, but you had the Michigan team

757
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: where Bill Frieder steps down right before the year the

758
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: tournament begins and this incredible run they make, and then

759
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: you go into UNLV and their dominance under Tark, followed

760
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: by the two step of Duke and the entrance to

761
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: the Fab five, and again the return of Bob Knight,

762
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: who was a giant within it in the Final four

763
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: in ninety two, and the first final four that featured

764
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: four teams that had all won it before. To me,

765
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: it's those two. But Eddie, I also am fully in

766
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: on the fact that it may be the age bias

767
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: that I have, because one of those is when I

768
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: first started watching, and then the other is like when

769
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I was in college and the age of the of

770
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: the participants.

771
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: So for me, that stretch was that twenty ten to

772
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. For the Butler, their first Final four was

773
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: twenty ten with Gordon Hay okay, so then they did

774
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: it the following year.

775
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: Now The thing is, though, who were the other like

776
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: marquee stars or coaches that were involved in those final fours.

777
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: I would have to really go back because I would

778
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: have been gosh, I would have twenty ten. I would

779
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: have been like twelve fourteen.

780
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think a big part of that

781
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: is age, right. I think all of us naturally gravitate

782
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: towards the time in which our fandom was the highest.

783
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's right around you know, North

784
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Carolina with Roy Williams, Mike Krzyzewski and Duke Calhoun, Caliperi.

785
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain that like in that range is when

786
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: Michigan beat Louisville in the in the championship game where

787
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: Trey Burke going crazy for the Wolverines.

788
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Yep, and Syracuse was involved in that mix to Louisville,

789
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: was there, right? M hm? Again, you got the Anthony

790
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: Davis teams. We'll continue that conversation, but clock ticking on

791
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: franchise tags. Steven Holder going to join us. The latest

792
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: other side. I've mentioned this one before Uptown Girl. Matter

793
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: of fact, this was a contentious moment of trivia on

794
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: the program because Uptown Girl, even though Christy Brinkley appears

795
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: in the video, not originally written specifically about Christy Brinkley,

796
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: but rather after a dinner that Billy Joel had including

797
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: El McPherson, and I believe Whitney Houston was there, and

798
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I think it was written originally about El McPherson, but

799
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: then became and morphed into Christy Brinkley. Nice Rolodex. Billy

800
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: Joel's got going. Stephen Holder joins us on the program now.

801
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line,

802
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: and he probably needs plenty not only of Java House

803
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: is Cold Brew coffee, but also some of the Wrangler

804
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: Energy drink just to be able to keep up with

805
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: what is happening right now because we have some just

806
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: under three hours left before the franchise tag can be placed.

807
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Steve and I will simply throw it to you in

808
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: this blanket statement, Is there any new news to report

809
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: at this point?

810
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: I would say news is a is a you know,

811
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: moving target. I don't think anything substantive has happened, but

812
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: their conversations continue, That's what I would say. And I

813
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: think everything is on the table even with just three

814
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: hours to go. I fully expect the Colts will use

815
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 3: a tag today. I can't guarantee it, but unless something

816
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: changes here in the next three hours, I anticipate Daniel

817
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: Jones or Alec Pearce will get a tag of some kind.

818
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: And when I say a tag, I'm talking about the

819
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: franchise tag and the transition tag, which is also a possibility,

820
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: particularly for Daniel Jones that a little lower salary, less

821
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: protection for the player, etc. But I think one of

822
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: those two tags will be assessed today by the Colts

823
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: by four pm. That is my expectation. As for who, where,

824
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 3: what and how, that's all fluid right now.

825
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, let's begin with this. And I did a

826
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Speaker 1: long dissertation on this earlier. Okay, but it has been

827
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: a while and I don't even know when the last

828
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: time it was that a franchise let alone the Colts

829
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: had going into free agency, perhaps the top player at

830
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: not one, but two different offensive positions. Because I think

831
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: we could safely say that Daniel Jones is the top

832
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: quarterback free agent available and Alec Pierce is the top

833
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver free agent available. So with that in mind,

834
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: as the Colts go into it, if they had to,

835
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: if Chris Ballard is saying to himself, I have this

836
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: tag right here I can use on one of these

837
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: two guys I would prefer to use it on, which

838
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: thus I need to prioritize making sure that I get

839
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: locked in and I'm signing one of these guys to

840
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: a deal. Which player is the one that Chris Ballard

841
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: wants to nail down under his own contract so that

842
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: he can use the tag on the other.

843
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: This is the most difficult part of all of this,

844
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: and so I just think a definitive answer is really difficult,

845
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: even for the Colts on this, because I could make

846
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 3: a compelling argument either way and neither one would be wrong.

847
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: Think about it, Is it more important to have your quarterback,

848
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: have certainty at quarterback and ensure that you're going to

849
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: have your quarterback next season? And is that more important

850
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: than retaining the top wide receiver on the mark, but

851
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: also having doubt about whether you get your quarterback back,

852
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: in which case, does it even matter that you get

853
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: that wide receiver back. I mean, I think I may

854
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: lean a little more towards the quarterback, even though I don't.

855
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 3: I am not here to convince you that Daniel Jones

856
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: at his position is a better player than Alec Pierce.

857
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: I'm not making that argument. I think the argument is

858
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 3: position positional value, And the truth is, you know what

859
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: where are they left?

860
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: What are they left with?

861
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: If Daniel Jones gets out of the building where the

862
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 3: colt's going.

863
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: Right, that's right and right, Stephen. Here here's to me

864
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Speaker 1: the real predicament, all things given equal, it's a no

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Speaker 1: brainer you tag Pierce because the amount of money that

866
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: you have to pay him then might even be under

867
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: market value of what he would get elsewhere. I mean,

868
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb's getting thirty you know, t Higgins is it

869
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: twenty eight Jamar Chase is at high thirties. So to

870
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: have to pay Alec Pierce for a year at twenty

871
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: eight million is market value and maybe even a little

872
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: bit under. So no harm, no foul, I agree. But

873
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, you run the risk of losing Jones.

874
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: And if you lose Jones you are completely screwed. Whereas

875
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: if you lose Pierce, it's not a great optics look,

876
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: but it is somewhat survivable, agreed.

877
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: And so that's definitely right. And so here's another variable

878
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: I would throw into the pot that I think maybe

879
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: we're talking ourselves into, you know, tagging Jones being in

880
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: the move. Here's another variable, and this is very, very

881
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: very important. I haven't stressed it enough. Alec Pierce wants

882
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: to have the quarterback situation. I don't want to say

883
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: locked up, but he wants to have some certainty about

884
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: the quarterback situation before he signs.

885
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: That is very important to him.

886
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that with firsthand knowledge. So what I

887
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 3: am saying is, if you tag Daniel Jones and you

888
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 3: are working in working earnestly toward getting an extension done there,

889
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 3: which you would continue to do after attacking him, that

890
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: at least makes Alex Pears more inclined to do a deal.

891
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: If you tag Alex Pears, well, you could tag him

892
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: and then he doesn't have a choice. But maybe he's

893
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: less inclined to sign a long term deal. Maybe you

894
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: get him on the tag this year and maybe he

895
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: says next year, Cyonara.

896
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is very hypothetical.

897
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I do think you at least keep

898
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce in play. If Alex, excuse me, if Daniel

899
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: Jones is relatively certain to be in the building next year,

900
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: next season, does that all make sense.

901
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, the Stephen do you believe this

902
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: is probably neither here nor there. But do you think

903
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard when the Colts were seven and one,

904
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: eight and two, and you knew at that point that

905
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce was going to be a free agent at

906
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and you knew, like, oh,

907
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: you know what this guy he's he's starting to find

908
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: now he's the guy that we drafted out of Cincinnati.

909
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is he's really coming along here. And

910
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, boy, this guy's just been found house money.

911
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: This is wonderful. Brought him in to compete with Richardson

912
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: and now here we go. Do you believe at that

913
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: point that Chris Ballard thought to himself, you know, there's

914
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: a really good chance on franchise tag deadline day, I'm

915
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna have a real tough thing to deal with here.

916
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that it clicked at that moment, but

917
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: but I would say this, Daniel Jones, excuse me, Alec

918
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: Pierce has I think for a while it's been clear

919
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: that he wanted a lucrative extension that was not hard

920
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 3: to predict. I think the number has gone up in

921
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: terms of you know what it's ultimately going to be.

922
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: It's certainly higher now than I anticipated, but I mean

923
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 3: we knew it was going to be. I've been saying

924
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: for months, this guy's going to get a contract well

925
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: into the well over twenty million dollars a year, like

926
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: far more than Michael Pittman. I think we've been saying

927
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: that for quite some time. It turns out it could

928
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: be significantly higher, right, So maybe there was there was

929
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: some inkling about that. I think that Daniel Jones part

930
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: has always been sort of difficult to settle on because

931
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: number one, the injury has made it a little bit convoluted.

932
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: For sure.

933
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't know this, but I would imagine the injury

934
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 3: is a big sticking point here. Not that they're arguing

935
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 3: over the fact that, well, you're hurt, so we should

936
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: pay you less, but there's there's certainly guaranteed money that

937
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: hinges on that injury, how he comes back from it,

938
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: all those things. Those are small things, but big variables

939
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: when you talk about the negotiation and nati gritty details

940
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: of it. So anyway, I'm off the subject, but hopefully

941
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: that answered your original question.

942
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: Lost in all of this, Stephen Holders My guest ESPN

943
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: dot com where you can read his work. He's on

944
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Lost in

945
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: all of this Steven A year from now, two years

946
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: from now, we look back and we say, you remember

947
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: that time that Holder was on with Query and they

948
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: were talking about the franchise tag and it was all

949
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones and Alec Pearson, Alec Peers and Daniel Jones. Man.

950
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: What we didn't realize is that simmering underneath all of

951
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: that was a bigger storyline within the Colts that we

952
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: all fell asleep on because we buried the lead. What

953
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: would that be?

954
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: Well, I think the defense being reshaped. I think that's

955
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: going to happen. I would say the combine. Most of

956
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: the conversations about the Colts centered on the two guys

957
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: we've already talked about. The other thing, though, that I

958
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: heard from people, one of a couple of whom are

959
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: very good sources. The other thing I heard is that

960
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: the Cults are going to be very active and a

961
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: lot of their free agency is going to be spent

962
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: on their defense. And I am anticipating a relatively a

963
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: relatively aggressive free agency period from them, centered mostly on

964
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: their defense. Now, that doesn't mean they're going to go

965
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: out and sign every household thing. That's not what we're

966
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: talking about. But it does mean being active and really

967
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: reshaping the personnel on that defense. I think you should

968
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: anticipate that we'll see what it looks like in the end.

969
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: But that is I do think we haven't talked enough

970
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: about because we've been caught up on this. You know,

971
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: these shiny objects on offense, but you should look for

972
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: that as well in the coming weeks.

973
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Hypothetical situation back to the topic A. Okay, for whatever reason,

974
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones decides, you know what, I'm just an adventurous guy.

975
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 1: I'd like to live somewhere different. I like warm weather.

976
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: So Daniel Jones takes a lesser contract offer and signs

977
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: with insert name Arizona. I'm just throwing a name out

978
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: generically speaking, Okay, Daniel Jones shocks the world and he

979
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: becomes football Miles Turner and he leaves, and the Colts

980
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: are like, oh my goodness. At that point, can the

981
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: Colts go back to Anthony Richardson and say, you know

982
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: about that trade thing, we told you to go ahead

983
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: and explore. Uh, let's let's go ahead and the hand

984
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: is your phone. We're going to delete your bumble app

985
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: or has that? Have they crossed that river now and

986
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: there's no there's no point coming back. That's a great question.

987
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: H huh.

988
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: I think I think at that point it's it really

989
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: is up to Anthony Richardson, don't you think. But I

990
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: mean for him, it would it would be the best option,

991
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: because I do not see now whether whether the Colts

992
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: would make that determination. I have no idea, right, but

993
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: let's say they did under this very very hypothetical situation. Granted,

994
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: I think if the Colts were to approach him under

995
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: this hypothetic, under this hypothetical, I think if you're Anthony Richardson,

996
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: you probably have to swallow your pride and say, this

997
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: is probably the best situation for me. And here's the deal.

998
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: I do not believe that he will be a starting

999
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: quarterback next year, which is not to say he won't

1000
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: eventually get another shot. I think that's possible, but I'm

1001
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: talking about next year. I think his situation and next

1002
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: year is going to be one of let's work on you,

1003
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: and maybe the goal is you play in twenty seven

1004
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: and find yourself.

1005
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1006
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: I think that's what we're looking at here. So is

1007
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 3: staying with the Colts and riding in on a white

1008
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: horse maybe for for Daniel Jones, is that preferable? Yeah?

1009
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: Probably if you if you're a guy who's competitive and

1010
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: wants to play right now, I would say yes.

1011
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: Do you think okay? Any chance of this? And I

1012
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know, Steven how much you've talked to Anthony Richardson

1013
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: or his representation, And I want to be clear, I

1014
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: don't know Anthony Richardson. I mean you do. You've been

1015
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: around it a lot more than I. I think we

1016
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: should we should point out that some of the challenges

1017
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: that Anthony Richardson has had in Indianapolis, some of those

1018
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: are his fault. Some of those are the byproduct of

1019
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: bad handling of the way that the Colts handled it,

1020
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but I don't think that there is

1021
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: any evidence anywhere and we should point it out that

1022
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is a bad guy. We've seen bad guys.

1023
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: We've seen guys that their own attitude, their own selfishness,

1024
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: comes into play and that's what does them in. I

1025
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: don't believe that to be the case in any way

1026
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: with him. Would you agree with that.

1027
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred per I don't think that's that issue

1028
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 3: at all. In fact, the fact that they are working

1029
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: with him and trying to accommodate him and have told

1030
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: him and have told his representation you know, we will

1031
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 3: accommodate him and do what's best for him. I mean

1032
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: that you do that because he is a good kid.

1033
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: So go ahead, okay.

1034
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: So with that, if the Colts had a situation, and

1035
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: this is very hypothetical, but if the Colts had a

1036
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 1: situation where Anthony Richardson looked like he was in line

1037
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: to be the starter here because Daniel Jones left, or

1038
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has a health set back, whatever it may be,

1039
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: do you believe it's possible that Anthony Richardson could still

1040
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: opt to go to another franchise where he is not

1041
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: the clear cut starter as opposed to getting the opportunity

1042
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: again here, just because of the way everything has unfolded.

1043
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's a couple of things. Number One, this

1044
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: ultimately is still a false decision because they they own

1045
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: his rights, so they would ultimately have to relinquish that

1046
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: and say we're going to trade you. So ultimately, even

1047
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: though they've given him this authorization, to talk to other teams.

1048
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: So therefore there's no tampering involved all that, right. I

1049
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: mean they have authorized that, that is true. That doesn't

1050
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: mean though, that a deal is guaranteed. They still have

1051
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 3: to agree to the deal. So that's the first thing

1052
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: I'd say. The second thing is, you know, it might

1053
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: be it really just walls down to I think what

1054
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: his options are. You know, if if his options are

1055
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, go to the RAMS maybe and be

1056
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: rehabilitated by Sean McVay or something. And I don't know,

1057
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, who are spitballing?

1058
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: Right?

1059
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: Maybe that's appealing to him, Maybe he feels like that's

1060
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: something he needs. I don't know, because the development hasn't

1061
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: happened here and it is not all the Colts fault,

1062
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: as you laid out, but but there has been a

1063
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: failure on.

1064
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: The Colts part too.

1065
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: Like let's be very clear, right, they have not developed him,

1066
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: and no matter whose fault it is, it is in

1067
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: large part the responsibility of the team to figure out

1068
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: how to get more out of a player. They didn't

1069
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: do that, right, So so the Colts hands are dirty,

1070
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: His hands are dirty, and you know, does that would

1071
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: that influence him to do something different and something unexpected.

1072
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: Perhaps. Okay, Steven, by the way, your colleague Adam Schefter

1073
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: has just recently said that he now anticipates the tag

1074
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: we'll go to Jones because there is still a gap

1075
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: between what Jones is wanting and what the colts where

1076
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: they are right now. Would you concur with that sentiment.

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Speaker 3: That's been my expectation probably the last forty eight hours,

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 3: is that we're heading forward a tag for Daniel Jones. Now,

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01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: I would add if they don't, in the meantime get

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: a deal with Alec Pearce, It's like, if that doesn't

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: happen today, I would and he doesn't get tagged, I

1082
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: would predict that his situation rolls into next week.

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: You're talking about Alex Peers or Jones.

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01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce and that would enable him to beginning on Monday,

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: to speak to other teams and then it gets real.

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,479
Speaker 1: Been somebody just asked me this question. My buddy Scott

1087
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: asked me this, Steve, and I wanted to bring you

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: in on it. And this might be far beyond certainly

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01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: it's beyond my intellectual capability. That would not mean that

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01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: it's beyond yours. Because yours is more grat you know,

1091
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: more vast than mine. But the Colts have said in

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01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: the past that when there are big contracts that escrow

1093
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: accounts come into play with the cash up front, you know,

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: the signing bonus and that kind of a thing. Is

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01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: there any chance that that sort of a language contractually

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01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: could be a hold up? In other words, players are saying, no,

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01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't want escrow funds or accounts with a signing

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: bonus or guaranteed money and that sort of thing, and

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01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: that could be a financial or a conversational hold up.

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know in this particular case. What

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: I would say is it hasn't been a huge impediment

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01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: in the past. Now, the Colts are are known to

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 3: do some things like I'll give you an example with

1104
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: the the Jonathan Taylor extension a couple of years ago.

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: One of the things they did, and he's not the

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: only one, and they're not the only team, to be clear,

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01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: but one of the things they did was they split

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 3: his signing bonus. And I can't even remember, I can't

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: remember what happened yesterday, so I don't even remember what

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01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: the amount of his signing bonus was. But let's say

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: let's say signing bonus was ten million dollars. My understanding

1112
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: with that was he got the first half of that

1113
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, within seven days, and the second half

1114
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: was actually backloaded to be paid like ninety days later. Now, again,

1115
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 3: they're not the only team that utilizes, you know, sort

1116
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 3: of mechanisms like that, but they do do things like that,

1117
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: and that lowers the initial hit right of It's like,

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, when you get those credit cards with you know,

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01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: sixty days, same as cash or one of those finance deals.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you buy some furniture, right, hey, sixty

1121
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: days famous cash, well share. If you give me free money,

1122
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: I will take that. But you know, I don't think

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: it's a huge deal for the player. If you're getting

1124
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: the money that you want, it is guaranteed you're just

1125
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: going to have to wait a few months. I mean,

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01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: I think players are willing to accommodate that. But the

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 3: Colts have done have done such things in many cases.

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Speaker 3: And whether they do that because of a cast low issue,

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: I cannot say. I don't see the books, but that

1130
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 3: at least gives you some information as you try to

1131
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 3: make heads or tails of things.

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: Do you believe Alec Pierce. Obviously, I know he would

1133
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: not be opposed to being here, But Alec Pierce, Now,

1134
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: if the Colts are getting into a bidding war with

1135
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: other franchises, I think it's fair to say that Alec

1136
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: Pierce his market value is probably somewhere around thirty five

1137
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: per okay, thirty five million per year. You tell me

1138
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: if you disagree on that number. Even are the Colts

1139
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: prepared to pay whatever it's going to take or do

1140
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: you believe that Pierce literally goes out on the open

1141
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: market and goes to highest bidder.

1142
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: So I don't know if we're at thirty five yet.

1143
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: I would say the conversation I had at the Combine

1144
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: or multiple conversations, was the question is can he get

1145
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: to thirty? And the answer is possibly? And frankly, you

1146
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: know it's early. Okay, they haven't technically had those negotiations

1147
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,959
Speaker 3: with other teams yet. Now, have other teams probably signaled

1148
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 3: what they'd pay. Yeah, let's be honest, they know. But

1149
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 3: I do think it becomes actually more real beginning Monday,

1150
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 3: when you can actually have negotiations, they can actually put

1151
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 3: an offer in front of you and then you can

1152
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: get you know, the actual structure of that offer and

1153
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 3: know what you're dealing with. So I think the question

1154
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: was Kenny gets a thirty million per year. The answer

1155
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 3: is possibly, yes, very possibly. And then the rest of

1156
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 3: your question, I'm sorry when you go to the highest bidder.

1157
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 3: Alex Pearce wants to be here, but this is a

1158
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: one's in a lifetime opportunity, and I just think the

1159
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: longer you are out there on the open market and

1160
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: able to talk to others, the more it becomes possible

1161
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 3: to see yourself going somewhere else. And I know that

1162
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 3: that's not a really concrete answer, but that's just how

1163
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: this works.

1164
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1165
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: You know, when you start dancing with other people, you know,

1166
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: you start to see maybe the possibilities, and maybe you

1167
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: start loving the one you're with a little less. That's

1168
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: all I'm saying.

1169
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: Steven, earlier in the conversation, you mentioned that the cults

1170
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: primary focusing free agency is probably going in direction of

1171
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: the defense. Well, in order to do that and to

1172
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: maintain the adage of that, Chris Ballard said of wanting

1173
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: to get younger and fast, most of these guys that

1174
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 2: they hit the open market that are younger to command

1175
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: top dollar just because they're entering their prime and we're

1176
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: sitting here talking about contracts with Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce.

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01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: How the heck are the colts going to generate enough

1178
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 2: cap space to make all this happen?

1179
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: Magic? Magic, that's right. I mean, they'll use the same

1180
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 3: approach I use with my checkbook.

1181
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: It's just money, you know.

1182
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. Look, I would say, I would say this.

1183
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: They they have the ability to do that. In other ways,

1184
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: it really is less about the cap and more about cash,

1185
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,959
Speaker 3: not just for them but for everybody.

1186
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1187
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: For example, let's take a look at Quinton Nelson's contract.

1188
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: Quentin Nelson has a twenty four million dollar cap number

1189
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: this year, sixteen million dollars in the salary, blah blah blah.

1190
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: Like you could you could actually very easily do an

1191
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 3: extension here and get that cap number down, and it

1192
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 3: could be like a fake extension. Although he's probably due anyway,

1193
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 3: he's probably due for an extension. But you could extend

1194
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,839
Speaker 3: that and you could get that cap number down easily

1195
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: by like another ten million dollars. There are ways to

1196
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: do it that are not hard. I'm sure you could

1197
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 3: do the same. You could certainly do the same with

1198
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 3: Michael Pittman, which I anticipate you could do it with

1199
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: the likes of the Forrest Buckner. There are ways, I think,

1200
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: if if there's a will, there's a way to do it.

1201
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: The CAP's not the problem. The money actually going out

1202
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 3: the door is usually the bigger issue for the Colts

1203
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 3: and for all teams.

1204
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: Frankly Steven. Finally for Colts fans, Steven Holdermi guest ESPN

1205
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: dot Com, the website where you can read his work.

1206
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: You also see him on ESPN Television and he's on

1207
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line Steven. In terms

1208
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: of the NFL calendar, the Combine is wrapping up, the

1209
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: draft is obviously upcoming in six weeks or so, and

1210
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: this is the tag deadline day for the franchise tag.

1211
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: But what is next on the calendar for the Colts

1212
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the work that Chris Ballard and the

1213
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: brass have to do, in terms of dates that we're

1214
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: looking for things transactionally to take place.

1215
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so today's obviously a big day. As you said,

1216
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 3: the next mile post is Monday. That is when free

1217
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: agents can have their agents take calls from other teams

1218
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 3: impending free agents, right, they can take calls from other teams,

1219
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: they can negotiate, they can structure new deals. And that

1220
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 3: is why on Monday you are going to start seeing

1221
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: player X has agreed to terms with Team X and

1222
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 3: we'll sign on Wednesday. You'll start seeing that on Monday.

1223
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: On Wednesday of next week, so eight days from now,

1224
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 3: that is when the market actually opens the new league year,

1225
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: trades can commence and become official, actual new contracts can

1226
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: be signed, and then everybody who's a free agent or

1227
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 3: scheduled to be a free agent then is actually a

1228
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: free agent, and if you are his original team, you

1229
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 3: no longer have control over that situation. So that's what

1230
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 3: you used to look for here. In the next few weeks.

1231
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: Beyond that, we're also headed to the owner's meetings, I

1232
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: believe on March twenty eighth, and anticipate hearing from Carli

1233
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: Ersa Gordon at that point as well.

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: All Right, Steven, we appreciate the time as always, and

1235
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: the clock is a tick and we'll see whether or

1236
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: not this tag gets placed. If they do place it

1237
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones, we will find out about it when, well.

1238
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 3: Pretty soon after it happens. Frankly, the deadline four pm.

1239
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: So that's the best I can tell you. I don't

1240
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 3: think it would take long for the word to get out.

1241
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 3: But my understanding was they we're going to continue working

1242
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 3: through the you know, up until the deadline to try

1243
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: to work something out today with both these guys. So

1244
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be a decision that won't come

1245
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 3: I think it will be a decision that comes down

1246
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 3: at the last minute.

1247
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: That way, all right, Steven will let you get on,

1248
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it as always. All right, you got it.

1249
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: I'd Steven Holder joining us on the program, Eddie. Would

1250
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: it surprise you if Alec Pierce slips kind of out

1251
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: the side door and they're caught off guard?

1252
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 2: Not at all, because based off what Steven has said,

1253
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: and based off what Adam Schefter has been reporting, and

1254
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: how it seems likely things are, you know, trending towards

1255
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones receiving the transition tag. If you're Alec Pierce

1256
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: and you're his representatives, I get that you may want

1257
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: to be here in Minneapolis and stay with the Colts

1258
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: and stay with Daniel Jones because you like what you

1259
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 2: had with him last year. But why would I accept

1260
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 2: a deal between now and when the legal camping period

1261
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: opens on Monday. If I'm Pierce in his representatives like, well,

1262
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 2: let's just see what's out there. Yeah, Well, does New

1263
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: England want to come get me? Drake May excellent last

1264
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: year with his completion percentage on yards twenty five plus

1265
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 2: down the field. Does Caleb Williams want a new target

1266
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: to throw to? He's a Chicago kid, grew up in Chicago,

1267
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: loves the Cubs. Is that a possibility?

1268
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: Fair? A lot of question marks there, right, Yeah, But

1269
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: I again, I go back to it's a lot easier

1270
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: to get Pierce to buy in with Jones already inside

1271
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: the building than it is to get Jones to buy

1272
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: in without Pierce. So you know, you probably had They

1273
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: probably felt like they had to get that domino first.

1274
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: But we shall see NCAA tournament. It is March, by

1275
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: the way. We'll get back into that in terms of

1276
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: something I have to think about, thinking about even more

1277
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: and talking about with Purdue and where there might be

1278
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 1: some fault. Next, we have tickets to give away to

1279
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Women's tournament upcoming just a couple of

1280
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: minutes from now. Speaking of the Big Ten, I was

1281
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: thinking when We were talking earlier about college basketball and

1282
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: what the pinnacle era was for the NCAA Tournament and

1283
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: the Final Four and the peak era of the personalities

1284
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: the and I think there is an age bias. I

1285
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, I can't speak to how big it was

1286
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: in the sixties. I don't know how big it was

1287
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: when Indiana was undefeated along with Rutgers in the seventy

1288
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: entering the seventy sixth Final Four, I don't know. I

1289
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. I mean I was around, and I

1290
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: recall it very vaguely, and even in eighty one when

1291
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: the Final Four was at the Spectrum in Philly, I

1292
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: remember it well. And you know, you had Mark Aguire

1293
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: and DePaul and they had been upset. I mentioned Oregon

1294
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: State was beaten that year, and they'd been number one

1295
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: for most of the year and had the Pac ten

1296
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: player of the Year on their roster, and Indiana just

1297
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: blitzed their way through that tournament. Maybe that was the

1298
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: peak era of relevance and significance. Again, I think that

1299
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: if you had to pick a five year era seventy

1300
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: nine to eighty four, it is hard to argue because

1301
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: of the coaching personalities that were in it the emergence

1302
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: of dominant teams and players and legends, you know, and

1303
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: Fi slam A Jama and Jordan and the Tar Heels

1304
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: and Worthy, you know all that. But when I was

1305
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: thinking about all of that, I also got to thinking

1306
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 1: about the fact that in eighty one, for example, Indiana

1307
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: was twenty six and nine at the time, most losses

1308
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 1: for any team that win in that to win a

1309
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: national championship, and then and land In Turner's emergence is

1310
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: a big part of why Indiana turned a corner. And

1311
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: that roster now in hindsight you look at it, I mean,

1312
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: they were loaded. From a collegiate standpoint, you had Land

1313
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: and Turner and Ray Tolbert, Randy Whitman and Kitchell and

1314
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: Jim Thomas was a really good reserve in Isaiah obviously, Okay.

1315
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: And one of the things that people always point out

1316
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: about that group and about Knight's coaching job, was that

1317
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: Bob Knight handed the keys over to Isaiah and just

1318
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: said you go, just We're going to go as you go.

1319
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: And you know, in the time, I remember the narrative

1320
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: being that Night had just had enough. They were terrible

1321
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: in Honolulu at the beginning of the year they had

1322
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: nine losses and he just got fed up and he

1323
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: said to Isaiah, fine, you want to run this offense,

1324
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: then run it. Let's see how that works for you.

1325
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: And Isaiah was so good and so gifted that they

1326
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: took off.

1327
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: Now, whoa what happened there?

1328
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: To your well, it wasn't as it was a slower

1329
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, pass, yeah, exactly.

1330
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: But and was that the coaching genius of Bob Knight

1331
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: or was that Bob Knight surrendering? You know, you might

1332
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: compellingly be able to make an argument that it was

1333
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: Night surrendering or giving in because he never really went

1334
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: out and got that level of point guard again and

1335
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: handed a team over to them. They went back to

1336
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, they're eighty seven when they won. It was

1337
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: the last team to win a national title without a

1338
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 1: first round pick on it. They had a balanced roster.

1339
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: Thinking about all of that and Night turning that over

1340
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: and having a point guard led team, and then thinking

1341
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: about the other era that I mentioned that I think

1342
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,440
Speaker 1: from a final four standpoint was a peak era of relevance.

1343
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: Was that late eighties early nineties window, And that's when

1344
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: you had Duke and Mike Kishessky's group and Bobby Hurley,

1345
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: and Bobby Hurley who was a true point guard, coach

1346
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: of a son or son of a coach, excuse me,

1347
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: the all time NCAA assists leader, gutsy player, could hit

1348
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: big threes when he needed to, and a great college

1349
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: basketball player, and Shoshowsky kind of turned that team over.

1350
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: I think Matt Paynter. I don't know this, but I

1351
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: think Matt Paynter, whether it was a conscious decision or

1352
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: just the evolution of a team, I think Matt Paynter

1353
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of did the same with Braden Smith. I think

1354
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: this Purdue group and Braden Smith being now closing in

1355
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: on Bobby Hurley for that record, a one thousand assist guy,

1356
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: a big shot guy, a smart player. I think Matt

1357
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: Paynter kind of said, either indeed or in word, this

1358
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: is Braiden Smith's team, and I'm handing the keys over

1359
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: to him to let him drive the bus. And there

1360
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: are examples I just gave of where coaches did that

1361
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: and it was very successful. And the one thing that

1362
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith has going against him, and the one thing

1363
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: that Matt Pater has going against him, and the one

1364
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: thing that was not a factor when talking about Bobby

1365
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 1: Hurley or Isaiah They didn't play in an nil era,

1366
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: and they didn't play in an era where the benefit

1367
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: of being the guy driving the bus meant that it

1368
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: also came with a big price tag. And Braiden Smith

1369
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: was offered significant money in the offseason for other programs,

1370
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: presumably Michigan, definitively Kentucky, and that made it public what

1371
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: his dollar amount was or what we perceive that it

1372
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: means he's getting. And I think it's a difficult era

1373
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: in college athletics to hand the keys over to a

1374
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 1: guy that the rest of the roster already sees as

1375
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: the one that is being the most or knows is

1376
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 1: the one being the most financially compensated. And in addition

1377
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: to that, I think Braden Smith, maybe from a maturity standpoint,

1378
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: just in terms of all that goes into being the leader,

1379
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: beyond simply finding an open lane and whipping the ball

1380
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: over to it, maybe wasn't ready for that assignment. It's

1381
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: not a knock on him, not a knock on Matt Painter.

1382
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: It's the realities of college basketball today. And I don't

1383
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: know for a fact that that's the source of just

1384
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the lack of one hundred percent

1385
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: cohesion amongst Purdue roster. But what I do know is

1386
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: there is for certain some sort of lack of one

1387
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent cohesion among that roster. I don't mean the

1388
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: guys dislike each other. I don't none of that. I

1389
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: just mean that in order for gears to turn, the

1390
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: ridges have to perfectly align at the exact same time,

1391
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: and this year it seems as though there was always

1392
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: one gear that just seems to be running a little

1393
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: off and not aligning perfectly. Oscar Kluff was a great player,

1394
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: has been a great player and a great rebounder, but

1395
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: he looks physically spent at this point, and it just

1396
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: feels like the one guy running it is always at

1397
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: the same time, either on the same page as the

1398
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: other four or the other four on him the same

1399
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: page as him. Just feels that way. Different era, college

1400
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: basketball changing, latest bracketology. Indiana in last team in in

1401
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: the first four, playing in Dayton along with Ohio State,

1402
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: who's one of the two teams remaining on their schedule

1403
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: along with Minnesota. Purdue a three seed speaks to the

1404
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: level of and the depth of their quality wins because

1405
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: they've got plenty of them, plenty of them without a doubt.

1406
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: Tickets to give away. This is for the Women's Big

1407
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Ten tournament, correct, Eddie, let me for the championship game

1408
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: on Sunday, outstanding, So somebody's going to be able to course,

1409
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: one would presume the two teams there would already be

1410
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: punching their ticket. But the automatic berth in line. We

1411
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: would like to do this, how Eddie?

1412
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,440
Speaker 2: What color number.

1413
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: Three?

1414
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 2: Three?

1415
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: Yep y three. It's my favorite number. Three is a

1416
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: magic number. Three sixty nine twelve, fifteen, eighteen, twenty one,

1417
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty seven, thirty love three. I was born

1418
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: on the third day of month. Number nine nine divided

1419
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: by three is three. Favorite all time IU basketball player

1420
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: is Jay Edwards three. The first eighty five hundred I

1421
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: went to. I saw Bobby answering car number three when

1422
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: his third to five hundred. I'm the third child. And

1423
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: in addition to that, when I step on a basketball floor,

1424
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: there's never a three I didn't like. Thus it's my

1425
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: favorite number. Caller three. You're on your way, thank you

1426
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: to Cluster Truck for lunch today, Eddie, you go again

1427
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: with the Korean salmon.

1428
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: I did. I can't stop you love it, man, dude.

1429
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 2: That Korean barbecue sauce is just different. It's great. Yeah,

1430
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 2: that's why it's different. It's South America in a good way.

1431
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: By the way, Fan Invitational Golf outing coming up. Franciscan

1432
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:44,520
Speaker 1: Health and the Franciscan Health Foundation will be the beneficiary.

1433
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Francisco will be there on site with us at the

1434
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: Legends down in Franklin on April the thirtieth, eighteen holes

1435
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: of golf. I'll be there, James will be there, Jeff

1436
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: will be there, JMV will be there, and of course

1437
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: Franciscan will be there to answer any health questions you

1438
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: might have and then get a round of golf in

1439
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: It's always a good time. We had a great time

1440
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: last year with it. And the Early Bird Special is

1441
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: still going on twenty five dollars off per entry, one

1442
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: hundred dollars off per forsom see twenty five times four

1443
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: as one hundred.

1444
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 2: That expires on Friday at six pm Eastern.

1445
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: So which happens first, it expires or we'd see the

1446
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: sun expires because we're going to be living in Seattle

1447
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: here for the next week.

1448
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Man, it's given me throwback.

1449
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: Okay, you like Seattle, right.

1450
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 2: Love Seattle the Underground Tour there was fantastic. Going to

1451
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: Climate Pledge Arena for a couple hockey games is always nice.

1452
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: Now they may not win, but it's still a good time.

1453
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: How many people who are at their hockey games? By

1454
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: the way, one seven five the fan dot com the

1455
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: website for the information.

1456
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: I wish I knew the exact answer on that, because

1457
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: we typically go on the last home game of the

1458
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 2: year because they it's fan appreciation night. So sometimes they

1459
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: give out good stuff because their partner with Amazon, so

1460
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: they give out a bunch of cool prizes. We usually

1461
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: walk away with something because they put something on everybody's seat,

1462
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 2: and then they give out a bunch of stuff during

1463
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: the course of the game too.

1464
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: You know what they do since they're partner with Amazon,

1465
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: as they say, if you win a prize, we're going

1466
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: to bring it to you by the end of the

1467
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: first period. And then all of a sudden they go,

1468
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what we had to hang up might be

1469
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: in the third period. We'll check. Okay, yeah, allow me

1470
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: to ask you this, Eddie. If you were I want

1471
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: you to We're gonna say I want you to close

1472
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: your eyes here, you ready, Do we have any of

1473
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: the serene music that we can play, like as if

1474
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: you are sitting inside of the salt cave or you're

1475
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: just laying inside on the massage table. There's aromatic candles

1476
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: that are going, you know, that kind of thing, just

1477
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 1: to get you in the mood here, because we need

1478
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: to let your mind wander. It's like a cow gon

1479
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: take me away moment, right, serenity now right, and just

1480
01:28:53,880 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: relax like your deep thought meditation. Yes we go you

1481
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison. Yeah, while you're sitting there relaxing, you're daydreaming

1482
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: about the possibility that, in fact, you are an NFL quarterback.

1483
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: You're Anthony Richardson. Yes, you've been given the right to

1484
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: seek a trade, or perhaps you are Maliq Willis. The

1485
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: opportunity is there. You're a free agent. You get to

1486
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: talk to other teams, set up your LinkedIn account, open

1487
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: for work.

1488
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, Daniel Transition.

1489
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: Now with all of that, when you think about it,

1490
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: and if you consider and I want you to think

1491
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: about this not only the targets that you get to

1492
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: throw to the receivers, Yeah, but I want you to

1493
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: factor in the weather, look outside right now, the cost

1494
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: of living. You're going to be living to this place

1495
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: for the next five years. You might be a star,

1496
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 1: you might be a serviceable guy, but you feel, because

1497
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: you are a believer in your talents, that you can

1498
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: lift any franchise. The peace and the calm of this

1499
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: music starts to fade away because now you're getting caught

1500
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: up and excited in the overall energy, in the buzz

1501
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: of the fact that you're going to be a winning quarterback.

1502
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: If you think about it, for you, Eddie, Yes, cost

1503
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: of living, uh huh, where you want to live?

1504
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: Yep?

1505
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: The cool nature of the uniforms and the colors and

1506
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: what makes your eyes pop when you're on TV wearing

1507
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 1: their logo, all of it. Give me the three franchises

1508
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: that you're like, you know what, screw it, something different.

1509
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: That's where I'm going. That don't have a quarterback, Yeah,

1510
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, yes, I mean that are realistic landing

1511
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: opportunities for a free agent quarterback.

1512
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they're in the realistic part, because I

1513
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: don't know if they are. Atlanta would be one of them, Okay,

1514
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I would put.

1515
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of weapons, for sure.

1516
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: They do they do. Indeed, offensive Mining head coach Kevin Stefanski.

1517
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: I would also look into Minnesota now the idea not

1518
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 2: ideal living weather. But you're not going to be hammered

1519
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 2: by the media by any correct by any means. I

1520
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 2: would say, right here, boy, the weather though.

1521
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: You see, I.

1522
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 2: Don't think NFL players.

1523
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel like quarterbacks? If you are a legitimate

1524
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: realistic question here, do you think quarterbacks look at the

1525
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Colts franchise right now and say that's a solid franchise

1526
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: that is consistently winning and building winners, or do you

1527
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: think they look at it they say that place has

1528
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: been irrelevant for ten years.

1529
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: I think they look at it in the light of

1530
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 2: I have an opportunity to succeed here. Yeah, And I

1531
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 2: don't think they pay They may pay a little bit

1532
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 2: of attention to the history of what's happened recently, but

1533
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: I think more times than that, Jake, especially in the NFL,

1534
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 2: more so in the NBA, guys don't really care about

1535
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: the past, and they care about what they think they

1536
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: can do for that team that year, and they don't

1537
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: get caught up in the the nightlife per se, because

1538
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 2: it's only what four months of the year, six months

1539
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 2: of the year. It's not like the NBA, where it's

1540
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 2: a very extended amount of time. You still can live

1541
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 2: half your year year and half your you know, the

1542
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: rest of the year wherever you want to live, La Miami, wherever.

1543
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: There are sixty four minutes remaining before the deadline to

1544
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: franchise tag. I take that back, one hundred and twenty

1545
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,799
Speaker 1: four minutes four o'clock deadline. Adam Shefter of ESPN reporting

1546
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: his colleague Stephen Holder concurring with it that it appears

1547
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: as though the Colts will use the tag on Daniel

1548
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: Jones because there is still enough division between Jones and

1549
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: the Colts on what they went contractually that franchise tagging

1550
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: it and that would pay Jones some over forty million

1551
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: dollars this year. And then Alec Pierce is a free

1552
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: agent and they would not be able to use a

1553
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: tag on him. But we will keep an eye on that.

1554
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: As for the other team in town, the Pacers heading

1555
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: out West, Clippers, Lakers, Kings, Blazers four game trips. Scott

1556
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Agnes talk about that more.

1557
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 3: Next.

1558
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:24,799
Speaker 1: I do love this song. Are you a Tupoc guy? Eddie? Yes?

1559
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: You think he's still with us.

1560
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I love good conspiracy theory, Jake, I really do, but

1561
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1562
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I think he is really Yeah, Now I've been to

1563
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: the street corner where Biggie was killed. That one's not

1564
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: under conspiracy, right, I don't think so, Tupac A lot

1565
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: more question about.

1566
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 2: And there's another person that's a lot to question about too,

1567
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: that's in the news a lot lately too.

1568
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: That be uh you mean in terms of conspiracies or

1569
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: in terms of.

1570
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, conspiracies, a bunch of other things, because.

1571
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that think that Diddy

1572
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: was involved in all this stuff, right, Perhaps is that

1573
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: the third party you're talking about? Yes, Okay, joining us now,

1574
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so. Based on

1575
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: that conversation. Scott Agnes's with Fieldhouse files covering the Pacers.

1576
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line, and

1577
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Scott PACER's getting ready to go out west. I'm going

1578
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: to begin with a non Pacer subject for you. Are

1579
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: you ready, Scott? Yeah, let's do it. But it's somewhat

1580
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: of a Pacer subject, it seems to me in LA

1581
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: and I don't mean this in any way, shape or

1582
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: form as like a sour grapes thing, because I think

1583
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: everybody there's no reason to have disliked Ben Mathern. He

1584
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: was a good player here. He quiet dude for sure,

1585
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, it wasn't like he was

1586
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: a controversy guy. And but yet when he went to LA,

1587
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody was kind of looking at

1588
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: the box scores to see whether or not he really

1589
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: spruced up offensively. Speaking with the Clippers, they're going to

1590
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: see him here soon, but what sort of player has

1591
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 1: he been in LA? And has it been any different

1592
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,759
Speaker 1: than what we saw here in Indiana.

1593
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was one of those I was just

1594
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 5: curious how he might be utilized, what vision head coach

1595
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 5: tylu might have for him out with the Clippers. And

1596
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 5: for the first couple games they won those he had

1597
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 5: a monster thirty eight point game and a win over Denver.

1598
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 5: So that was a lot of fun. But then it's

1599
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 5: tapered back a little bit after that. He's actually playing

1600
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 5: basically the same amount of minutes on average that he

1601
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 5: was getting here. I thought there was a chance he'd

1602
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 5: get in the starting lineup and play more minutes. That

1603
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 5: is not been the case, at least yet. Although it

1604
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 5: is tough when you're inserted, you know, middle of the

1605
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 5: season like he was, without much of adaptation. But what

1606
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 5: I do like is he's finishing a lot of games

1607
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 5: and whoever has the hot hand, that's kind of what

1608
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 5: the Clippers have been rolling with. So if it's Kawhi

1609
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 5: one night or one time, you know, if a team's

1610
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 5: shadowing him and getting him away from the ball, it's

1611
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 5: matherin taking advantage. But no real grand conclusions just yet.

1612
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 5: It's just good to see him seemingly having a good

1613
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:28,879
Speaker 5: time out there.

1614
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, the and that's the thing, Mather, It's just

1615
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys he could score. I don't think

1616
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: there's any question about the fact he could score Scott

1617
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: And I mean this is no disrespect or fault of

1618
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: his but he just feels to me like a guy

1619
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: that scores without because he's such an ISO type score,

1620
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: which is a good thing when things aren't going well.

1621
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 1: We saw last year in the finals in Game three,

1622
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: he bailed him out. I mean, there's no doubt he

1623
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: bailed him out. But more often than not, when he

1624
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: is scoring, it is because other things offensively or not

1625
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: in cohesion. And that's why a lot of times. I

1626
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: think you look at it and if he has a

1627
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: twenty eight to thirty point game, it doesn't always mean

1628
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: that his offense was clicking. Does that make sense? It does.

1629
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times it would also mean, though,

1630
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 5: that he was getting to the free throw line. If

1631
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 5: he didn't, If it didn't feel like he had a

1632
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 5: monster game but finished with thirty, it's probably because he

1633
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 5: had thirteen free throw attempts. And that is among the

1634
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 5: things the Pacers will miss the most with him, as

1635
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 5: he's a guy that could just put his head down

1636
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 5: and create opportunities at the rim, whether it's for himself

1637
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 5: or for others there.

1638
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,440
Speaker 1: And also he's.

1639
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 5: Kind of in a good way, not an emotional player,

1640
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 5: doesn't allow pros or cons really to impact him. He

1641
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 5: just wants to go out, roll the ball out and compete.

1642
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 5: And I think any team appreciates a player like that.

1643
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 1: The player for the Pacers that will lead them in

1644
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 1: minutes between now and the end of the year will

1645
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 1: be who.

1646
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 5: Hm really good question? My first thought as jaris Walker.

1647
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 5: My second thought is Cam Jones, what's say you okay?

1648
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 5: Michah Potter, maybe just Bigs. It feels like you share

1649
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,480
Speaker 5: those minutes a little bit more than a guard.

1650
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: And he also it seems like Potter Walker. I tend

1651
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: to agree with that's a good call because I think

1652
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: at this point with Walker, I do feel like he's

1653
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: turned a corner a little bit, and so you might

1654
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 1: as well just continue to grow that right and continue

1655
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: to water that. But what I'm curious about with Walker

1656
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Scott is some of the good things that we've seen

1657
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: from Jeris Walker and I talked about this recently. I

1658
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: have been pleasantly surprised by Jeris Walker's vision and passing ability,

1659
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 1: and it made me wonder if perhaps he doesn't become

1660
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: a player that can be what Miles Turner was. And

1661
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: by that I mean starting that offense on the high post,

1662
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: facilitator with this passing, because he's a pretty good passer, right.

1663
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 2: A really good passer.

1664
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 5: But and that was go ahead, I was just gonna say,

1665
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 5: And that was part of his archetype that we knew

1666
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 5: coming in. It was that in his length and his

1667
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 5: defensive versatility, we didn't necessarily see all those right away,

1668
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 5: but those were the expectations for what the player the

1669
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 5: Pacers were getting.

1670
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Now, the question is this, does does Jeris Walker maintain

1671
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: this level of play. Is jeris Walker playing well in

1672
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: turning that corner right now because he's kind of a

1673
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: centerpiece usually of the group that he's on the floor with,

1674
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: or and can that carry over when he's then asked

1675
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: to be the third or fourth option guy. Is it

1676
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: translatable and transferable once he goes back to the role

1677
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: that he is most designed to be.

1678
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 5: I think so, because what you'll see most is this

1679
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 5: is giving him a huge jolt of confidence, a huge

1680
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 5: jolt of assertiveness in his play, because I think a

1681
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,839
Speaker 5: lot of it didn't come down to could he execute

1682
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 5: the pass? It was did he overthink or did he hesitate?

1683
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 5: Or when he got to the basket. It wasn't should

1684
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 5: he shoot or could he make the shot? It was well,

1685
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 5: should he shoot or should he not? And before he

1686
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 5: made the decision, it was swiped away from him. And

1687
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 5: so I think those are the things that he's cleaned up,

1688
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 5: that he's got more confident. He's playing free, like you've

1689
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 5: talked about, with that fog being lifted, which is justifiably

1690
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 5: so given that they need guys like him to just

1691
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 5: go out and produce. And so right now he's taking

1692
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 5: full advantage of getting career high thirty plus minutes per game,

1693
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 5: and so I see him going back to the bench

1694
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 5: and with that second unit, you know, getting twenty two

1695
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 5: minutes per game. Let's forecast for next year. But the

1696
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 5: things that are he can replicate is you know, making

1697
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 5: eight of ten field goals like he did last game,

1698
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 5: but doing so off the bench when you're playing lesser

1699
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 5: competition with the reserves, and when you can be featured

1700
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 5: like he is right now. And so that's why I

1701
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 5: think it's it's comforting to see the way in which

1702
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 5: he's maximized these minutes over the last two months.

1703
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, here's another one for you. I want you

1704
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: to tell me. Scott Agnus is my guest Fieldhouse Files,

1705
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: where you can read his work talking and covering the Pacers.

1706
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: This has been a year really for open auditions, right

1707
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: this entire season for the Pace, not entire the second

1708
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: half of the season for the Pacers is like that

1709
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: first three weeks of American Idol. It's like, everybody, just

1710
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: come up, show us what you can do. We're gonna

1711
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: let you know if you get a golden ticket and

1712
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: whether you're you know you're gonna get Quentin Jackson. Congratulations,

1713
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 1: here you go. You're on your way to Hollywood. You

1714
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 1: got you got a new deal, right and that was

1715
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 1: well earned for Quentin Jackson. I have asked you what

1716
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: players you think have not taken full advantage of the audition,

1717
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:45,799
Speaker 1: So I'm going to elevate that in your opinion, Scott,

1718
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: in your opinion, tell me a player that you think

1719
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: the Pacers have now been able to say, we've seen enough,

1720
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: we know where that player is and it's just not

1721
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 1: going to happen. They got their opportun tunity and we're

1722
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: gonna play nice for the rest of the year. But

1723
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: they got their opportunity.

1724
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 5: That's a tough one because of the last point. Until that,

1725
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 5: I was gonna say Jay Huff because it feels like

1726
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 5: they know exactly what he is, the way in which

1727
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 5: he can produce, how he compliments things. But I don't

1728
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 5: think they've pulled the plug or already looking to move

1729
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 5: on by any means. I'm not sure there's any guy.

1730
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 5: Is there a guy to you that that, yeah, I

1731
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 5: just don't see him back next year because I don't

1732
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 5: see anyone else. Kobe Brown is the one that stands

1733
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 5: out to me as on the other way, is hm,

1734
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 5: maybe you found something here right well?

1735
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: And Brown, Kobe Brown to me is interesting Scott, and

1736
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: we talked about this. I think last week, you know,

1737
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: I I saw a really funny post from somebody who's

1738
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: a Clippers fan that was like, wait a minute, like

1739
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: they came in into zoobots and now all of a sudden,

1740
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: like they get this dude that we didn't even know about,

1741
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: and he's balling out for him, you know. But part

1742
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: of that is just, you know, somebody's got to score points, right,

1743
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,759
Speaker 1: and he's getting looks and he's been a decent shooter.

1744
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: I would agree that you look at him and you

1745
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: go okay. But in a perfect world, he's probably your

1746
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 1: eleventh or twelfth guy realistically, right, I'll tell you one

1747
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: player and you feel fretey to disagree, and this guy's

1748
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: gonna get plenty more opportunity. But I wonder if they

1749
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: weren't thinking at this point that they would have seen

1750
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: more out of Peter than they've seen to this point.

1751
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Too harsh.

1752
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 5: I think so because he was a fringe draft guy.

1753
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 5: Most people did not have him on their boards. They

1754
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 5: took him one of the last spots in the draft.

1755
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 5: He's not even a standard NBA contract, and so with

1756
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 5: a two way guy, you're trying to allow him time

1757
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 5: to develop there. If you remember, Jars Walker as a

1758
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 5: lottery pick, spent most of his rookie season there in

1759
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 5: the G League, And so I think we know what

1760
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 5: he can provide in terms of three point shooting. That's

1761
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 5: the number one thing, right, his efficiency on that level.

1762
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 5: But to me, he he's one of your back end

1763
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,799
Speaker 5: of your roster type guys, the guys you need throughout

1764
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 5: a season to do injuries or shots just starn't going down.

1765
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 5: And so I think I don't think he's shown anything

1766
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 5: over the top or he hadn't shown anything at all.

1767
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 5: I think he's proven to be exactly what they thought

1768
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 5: that he would be.

1769
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is our guest. Field House Files is where

1770
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 1: you can read his work. Scott, what do you look

1771
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 1: for on this trip? If anything? I mean, is there

1772
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: anything left I think they've done? Honestly, Like you know,

1773
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody else last night about it, and

1774
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, they're still interesting. And that's what's

1775
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: interesting to me is you wouldn't think they would be

1776
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: at fifteen wins and yet your biggest storyline becomes ge

1777
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: can they out lose Sacramento. But they've got to play

1778
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: minutes and they've got to play players, and they're like

1779
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: competitive and interesting yet still losing. What change is now

1780
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: on this trip out.

1781
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 5: West, I think, for one, it continues to see some

1782
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 5: more time for Obi Top and I like the fact

1783
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 5: that he's and getting minutes late game, late part of

1784
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 5: the season. So again this season, the off season can

1785
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 5: be about the future and development and not rehab and

1786
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 5: building confidence and those sorts of things. I'd like to

1787
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 5: see more from Kobe Brown to get a better vision

1788
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 5: of his possibilities realistically, though Jake, he's a free agent

1789
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 5: after this season. The Pacers don't have a ton of

1790
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 5: cap space. It's unclear though what he might command. And

1791
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,759
Speaker 5: then I think from there, you're just trying to see

1792
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 5: some of these younger players get the additional opportunity, and

1793
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 5: that's what we're going to continue to see here. I'd

1794
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 5: like to see them, from a team standpoint, cut down

1795
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 5: on their turnovers and improve their defense and not be

1796
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 5: so bad in the middle two quarters because they're starting

1797
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,639
Speaker 5: games well, it's that second quarter in particulars that's knocking

1798
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 5: them down, and so those are the little things I'm watching,

1799
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 5: But from player evaluation, yeah, you're just seeing guys get

1800
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 5: minutes that they ordinarily would not be receiving at this

1801
01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 5: point of the season.

1802
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Scott, I want to go back to Jeris Walker because

1803
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: in Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals last year,

1804
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 2: he has that nasty ankle turn and ends up sidelining

1805
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 2: him for somewhere around two months. So you're looking at

1806
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 2: what the start of August, maybe mid August before he's

1807
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 2: starting to train and get ready and just get back

1808
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 2: up to speed. And by that time, you know, it's

1809
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 2: training camp. So assuming he has a full offseason where

1810
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 2: he can train and work on whatever he wants to

1811
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 2: work on, what is ultimately the ceiling for Jars Balker

1812
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 2: because he's still only twenty two years old.

1813
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's still got a long range to

1814
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 5: develop with all of that, and we all always judge

1815
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 5: these lottery picks on a much different, more intent scale, right,

1816
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 5: Like you expect more as you should and could demand

1817
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 5: more from these guys. And so I think he's proven

1818
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 5: his three point shot. I think his vision is improved.

1819
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 5: It's his decision making sometimes his defense are some of

1820
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 5: the areas that i'd like for him to improve upon there,

1821
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 5: especially when he's playing with that second unit type guys.

1822
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 5: And so that's why right now, when you're kind of

1823
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 5: playing with many of those guys, that's where these minutes

1824
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 5: somewhat can be productive and show you what what you

1825
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 5: know next season could potentially involve. But more than anything,

1826
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 5: to me, it speaks to his decision, making his defense,

1827
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 5: and finishing around the basket. Those would be my three

1828
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 5: bullet points for him this summer.

1829
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: Scott, I was a little disappointed in Boomer's birthday this year.

1830
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: They didn't I was going to ask you about that. Yeah,

1831
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: you know, I I mean when you don't have Rocky,

1832
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's your criminalo crame right, I mean, that's

1833
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: your gold standard. But the I'll tell you who showed

1834
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: me a little something and I I've never Eddie. I

1835
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: will let you guess. See if you know and both

1836
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: of you actually see if either one of you can

1837
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 1: tell me this mascot you ready, boy, I've got to

1838
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 1: look up the name of the mascot now that now

1839
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: that I think about it, But.

1840
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 5: I can only think of one other guy that was

1841
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 5: with him. So if that tells you anything.

1842
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: Now, hold on. So so you saw which ones I'm

1843
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,560
Speaker 1: talking about here, Scott, because I don't want to.

1844
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 5: I can't only remember one of them.

1845
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Okay, lou Seal, Eddie, do you know who lo Seal

1846
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: is the mascot for.

1847
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 2: We talked about we Mark Boyle and Eddie Gill talked

1848
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 2: about it, and I honestly cannot remember.

1849
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: Scott. Are you familar with which one lose Seal is

1850
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: a mascot for?

1851
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 5: Yes, that's the one I'm aware of. Lou Seal is

1852
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 5: for the San Francisco Giants invite. I felt like that

1853
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 5: was an odd invite all the way from San Francisco.

1854
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 1: Now, But here's the thing you got to keep in mind,

1855
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: and it's a fair point, But there's a lot of

1856
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: camaraderie in the mascot world, right, I mean you got

1857
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: to think about most of these are you know? I

1858
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: mean you're a seal that wears oversized sunglasses. You know

1859
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: how how social a social life did you have in

1860
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: high school? Right? So you're probably buddies with I mean,

1861
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: you got a if you got a mountain lion that's

1862
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,879
Speaker 1: got a tail that looks like a lightning, he probably

1863
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: can relate to your oddities, Right, So I think there's

1864
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: a very fraternal feeling amongst the mascots, and they all

1865
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: want to celebrate the love of birthdays. I don't disagree

1866
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:12,719
Speaker 1: that stepping outside the box of the NBA and bringing

1867
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: in lou Seal was a bit much. I'm trying to

1868
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: think it was lou Seale was here and there was

1869
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: one of the who was the other one?

1870
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:22,799
Speaker 2: That Blue is here? Blue the Chicago Blackhawks mascot.

1871
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's not bad Tommy Hawk. He's an okay fella.

1872
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: He's a legal buzzard, right.

1873
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1874
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 5: I was looking for the debut of Bobby the Bobcat. Yeah,

1875
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 5: and Bobby I was the one that was missing.

1876
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Bobby's cool, right, But I think Bobby that weekend and

1877
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 1: I did look into this, and this is an injured

1878
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up, Scott, because people overlooked

1879
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: this between Boomer and then Bobby the Bobcat, which is

1880
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 1: of course for the Indiana Boom. And now my understanding

1881
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: is Blue has gotten into this rotation, which is nice.

1882
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 1: They take turns going and visiting visiting Bowser at the

1883
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: farm where he's living up in northern Indiana. And so

1884
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 1: that was it was Bobby's turn in the rotation. But

1885
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: Lou Seal showed me something. It has the big sunglasses

1886
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: that he flips up up and down, really good putter

1887
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: and had a nice touch on the layup game that

1888
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,839
Speaker 1: they did. Lou Seal was strong. That was a strong

1889
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 1: mascot representation there, right, And it goes without saying, you know,

1890
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: just kind of does his own barking call. I mean,

1891
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 1: he's a fun guy. I got a curious question a

1892
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 1: woman though, Is it Lucille or Lou the Seal? Because

1893
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 1: Lou would be theoretically male? Right Lou l o U right,

1894
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: it's Lou Seal Now Lucille of course, I know that's

1895
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:43,600
Speaker 1: my grandmother's female name. Lou male name, right is it? Androgonis?

1896
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Is this the pat of mascots? What was your question, Scott?

1897
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 5: Now that you had first hand experience, did that change

1898
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 5: your perspective on watching these mascots do their thing?

1899
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, kidding aside, have you ever

1900
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: done it? Scott? No? I have not.

1901
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 5: I'd be game too though.

1902
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you something. And if you have little ones

1903
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: in the car, just keep in mind we're all talking

1904
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: about things here in terms of spirit, not reality. I

1905
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: was Sycamore Sam for about twenty minutes an Indiana State

1906
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,959
Speaker 1: game for those unfamiliar with it. And it was interesting

1907
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 1: because the head that you put on, I don't know

1908
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:29,679
Speaker 1: if this is true of all mascots, but Sycamore Sam.

1909
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 1: It is a basically a football helmet and the rest

1910
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: of it is attached around the helmet itself, so when

1911
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: you put it on, it's as if you're putting a

1912
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: football helmet on. It fits about that tight on you,

1913
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,759
Speaker 1: which makes sense, right, because that keeps it from rattling around.

1914
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: And the visibility when I put it on, I very

1915
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 1: immediately was like, oh, you can see through the mesh

1916
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 1: eyes like very easily, not peripherally but straight on, very easily.

1917
01:51:54,400 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: But I had Scott brought with me like surgical mask

1918
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,719
Speaker 1: because not because I just assumed it was gonna stink

1919
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 1: so bad. So I put that on. So they're like, oh,

1920
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 1: see how smart I am this way, I won't smell

1921
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 1: the funk of the inside of the mascot outfit. Yeah,

1922
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 1: And the guy said, he goes, you don't want to

1923
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: put that mask on, and I said, no, I do

1924
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: because I don't want to smell your funk. And he said, yeah,

1925
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna be able to breathe. I thought,

1926
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 1: what is this guy talking about? I put that thing

1927
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 1: on and he was right. Immediately it was hard to breathe.

1928
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: It was hard to catch your wind even just walking

1929
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,680
Speaker 1: and so walking around and it is super fun. And

1930
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: it's also very odd because you have one hundred percent anonymity,

1931
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: Like people are coming up to you and you know,

1932
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: and you're you're wanting to say like, oh, I mean

1933
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know who they are. They have no

1934
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: idea it's you. That's very bizarre.

1935
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 5: But not talking has to be the hardest part.

1936
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 1: Well for me, goes without saying right, but yes, no,

1937
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: you're correct. I mean people are coming up and you know,

1938
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: but trying to react correct in kids and things like that.

1939
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 1: The but I could not fathom it was hard to walk,

1940
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: let alone at a pace. Now, it wasn't hard necessarily

1941
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: when I was standing on the floor and the band

1942
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: was playing to dance because I'm I mean, I'm a

1943
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: pretty prolific well sex mover, to be honest with you,

1944
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 1: but but in the outfit it becomes friendly. You show

1945
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: you which I have sexy moves. I wasn't out there

1946
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: fornicating with other mascots. Addie, I'm just saying I was

1947
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: moving in a you know what I mean, like that

1948
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake. I was bringing the sexy back inside the outfit.

1949
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 1: But the I don't know how Scott, the things that

1950
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 1: Boomer does, like going up the rope, up into the

1951
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 1: rafters and just running around in general, the dunking, I

1952
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 1: have no idea how you would do that none. The

1953
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 1: dunking alone is I don't know how you like the landing.

1954
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean the way that that thing is on you,

1955
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: that that that that next support all of it. Yes,

1956
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean a long winded answer, but honestly, there are

1957
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: few things that I can imagine that were a bigger

1958
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: physical challenge to use a double dare term more so

1959
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,640
Speaker 1: than that. I mean, it was truly something.

1960
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 5: I would be fascinating to put like a step counter

1961
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 5: or whoop whatever on Boomer and see his heart rate

1962
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 5: and win it peaks and how many steps he's getting

1963
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 5: in each night. He's been doing that like twenty five years.

1964
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 5: It's remarkable, really is you know?

1965
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: The one thing also with it? It wasn't even the steps,

1966
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 1: Like your heart rate immediately goes up almost because of

1967
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 1: like a claustrophobia. It's weird. It was weird, but it

1968
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: was all the flippancy aside, and it was. It truly

1969
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: was a really neat thing to do. And in all honesty, Scott,

1970
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: the one thing about it that made it the neatest

1971
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 1: is even though you know this, once you are in

1972
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: there and you're walking around, you truly see the totally

1973
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 1: instant joy that a mascot outfit brings to kids. I mean,

1974
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: the number of kids that come up and want to

1975
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: hug you get a high five. My buddy David that

1976
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: went with me, there was one little kid that came

1977
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 1: up and I gave him a fist bump, and David

1978
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 1: was telling me. The kid ran away and said to

1979
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: his buddies, He's like, he gave me a fist bump.

1980
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 1: Sycamore sent you know what I mean? Like it it's

1981
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: magic to kids. It really is magic to kids, right.

1982
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that impact that you can have that we

1983
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 5: all see in sense. But you're right, I bet having

1984
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 5: that first dive vision you're like, oh my goodness, all right, Well,

1985
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 5: it's also just brings that sparkle in their eyes that

1986
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 5: some of us lack.

1987
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: A little bit totally. And it's also fun to be

1988
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 1: able to go up and you know, rub the scalp

1989
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: of old bald guys and nobody fights you over it,

1990
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1991
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 2: He's Scott. How close are far are we on a

1992
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 2: CBA agreement between the WNBA and the Players Association?

1993
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 5: Eddie does seem like we're making progress, that's the good thing. Now,

1994
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 5: the negotiating tactics seem a little bit odd to me.

1995
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 5: If you listen to some of the veterans players in

1996
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 5: recent days, especially right now while they're in New York

1997
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,800
Speaker 5: for Unrivaled As, some of them basically come out and said, hey,

1998
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 5: we've made good progress. I like this revenue sharing, and

1999
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 5: let's continue to make that, which you would think they'd

2000
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 5: take a harsher stand on it, but I think the

2001
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 5: reality is on all this, both sides realize there's a

2002
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 5: lot to be lost and any progress will be beneficial

2003
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 5: to both sides here because they can't lose this season.

2004
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 5: And so if you take the league at their word

2005
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:31,160
Speaker 5: they said it, roughly a week from today is when

2006
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 5: they need to have an agreement and kind of in place,

2007
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 5: which would still have to be approved by lawyers and

2008
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 5: such so that the season is not impacted because Look,

2009
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 5: you're about six weeks away from training camps expected to start.

2010
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 5: Unrivaled wraps up this week. USA Basketball training camp next week,

2011
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 5: and then we'll be quickly into the W season, should

2012
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:52,280
Speaker 5: it happen, Scott.

2013
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 1: In terms of that the fever, right now, they still

2014
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of roster decisions that are going to

2015
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 1: be addressed, correct.

2016
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, team does though at this point. But yes, fever,

2017
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 5: especially given how many players are free agents, the only

2018
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 5: players under contractor the players still on the rookie scale

2019
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 5: deals like a Leah Boston, Caitlyn Clark, et cetera.

2020
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie Cunningham was at the Pacer game the other night,

2021
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: and I think it might have been Pacer seats that

2022
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 1: she was sitting in. Do we read into that at all?

2023
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 2: No, not really.

2024
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 5: She was in town, she's getting workouts in, Caitlyn's getting

2025
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 5: workouts in at the facility. I think until we know

2026
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 5: for sure what the salary cap looks like, how much

2027
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 5: money that might be available, And now the big conversation

2028
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 5: becomes these max contracts and how much players are going

2029
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 5: to be.

2030
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: Able to earn.

2031
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 5: Well, there's a direct relation then to everybody else, right,

2032
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,839
Speaker 5: If Kelsey Mitchell gets that Max deal a, Leah Boston

2033
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 5: will be closing in on one and Caitlyn right behind her.

2034
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 5: You'll have a situation here where you'll have a big

2035
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 5: three and what else can you afford? And so the

2036
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 5: trickle down effect in that is just throwing out hypothetical numbers. Right,

2037
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 5: So if Sophie cunning cam Fever could pay her three

2038
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 5: hundred thousand, well what if she could go elsewhere and

2039
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 5: get five hundred thousand? Is she that committed right or

2040
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 5: to the situation? I think she would love to be back.

2041
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 5: Lexi Hall would be love to be back. But until

2042
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 5: we know those numbers, we can't say conclusively if it's

2043
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 5: even close.

2044
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,839
Speaker 1: Uh. By the way, lou Seale is in the Mascot

2045
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, part of the twenty twenty five class.

2046
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 1: But that hall of fame's gone, isn't it? Is that?

2047
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 1: Was he the part of the final class? Do we know?

2048
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 1: Have you been to the Mascot Hall of Fame? Scott

2049
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 1: in that I have not? No? I agree?

2050
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 5: I think I read where it closed a couple of

2051
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 5: years ago, several years after Boomer got in.

2052
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a bummer? Right. Luciale was born in nineteen

2053
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: ninety six, oh, replacing the short lived but controversial Crazy Crab.

2054
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Now what would be controversial about the crazy Crab? Do

2055
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 1: we know what I mean? Did people take that the

2056
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 1: wrong way? Is that what that was? I don't know.

2057
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: Crazy Crab. It took a while to come out of

2058
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: his shell, but once he did, very popular there. It

2059
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: is all right, Scott. We appreciate the time as always.

2060
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 1: You got it. Thanks guys, Scott Agnes joining us and

2061
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure thrilled to be doing so field House Files.

2062
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Anything you want to add, Eddie about Lucille.

2063
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 2: I just want to thank Scott for getting you down

2064
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 2: the rabbit mascot hole, because, oh boy, now I have

2065
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 2: to deal with it the next thirty three minutes.

2066
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Who would you say? Who's the Who's the mount Rushmore?

2067
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: To use the lamest sports talk term ever, Who's the

2068
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 1: creme de la creme all time? I mean in Indians,

2069
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:28,440
Speaker 1: Boomer Boomer's the guy. Yeah, but all time, it's got

2070
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: to be I mean, Rocky's way up there, man, but

2071
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 1: it's got to be San Diego Chicken later known as

2072
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 1: the Famous Chicken.

2073
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 2: The Philly Fanatic.

2074
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: Philly fanatic would have to be second. I mean the

2075
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 1: Montreal Expo. Fella. He was cool, but I don't know

2076
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: what happened to him.

2077
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 2: Benny the Bull, Benny the bulls up there and Scott

2078
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 2: text me and said, you're welcome.

2079
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 1: So the Phoenix guerrillas up there right sure? Did you

2080
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: ever see the Phoenix gorilla in his drumstick spilled out

2081
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 1: onto the floor in the middle of playing action?

2082
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:03,440
Speaker 2: How about that Longhorn Longhorn or the Bulldog Butler.

2083
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, living mascot's different, different category, though I understood. Uh,

2084
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 1: the Phoenix gorilla one time had a drumstick that he

2085
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 1: dropped that it rolled out in the middle of the floor,

2086
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the lane. And you want to talk

2087
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 1: about catlike reflexes, unbelievable, unbelievable, and that that right there

2088
02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: should put him. He's he's way high on the list.

2089
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 1: But all those guys the original mascots, and I think

2090
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 1: the Gorilla, I think it started with the Phoenix Gorilla,

2091
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Gorilla, if I'm not mistaken, one of those.

2092
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 1: In the late nineties, there was a gymnast at Arizona

2093
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: State that became a mascot and he actually parlayed that

2094
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 1: into different mascot opportunities for his his teammates, and that's

2095
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: where you had like kind of this explosion of guys

2096
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 1: taking place around that time. The Thunder guy, is he

2097
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: from Sea? Didn't he come from Seattle? Oh?

2098
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I know you're talking about.

2099
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 1: I think was his name up in Seattle? And then

2100
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 1: he moved to the Thunder And now he's just like

2101
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:08,839
Speaker 1: a big bison looking fellow, right, big Harry fella rumble

2102
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 1: the Bison rumble. Okay, well that goes with Thunder right. Okay,

2103
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,360
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take a quick recess. We'll get you

2104
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 1: back up to speed on what's happening, because we are

2105
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: within ninety minutes of when the Colts may have to

2106
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: lay down the franchise tag, and we think we know

2107
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 1: where it's going. So here's where things stand as of

2108
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 1: right now, with about sixty six minutes remaining for the

2109
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 1: deadline for the NFL, and they're franchises to place the

2110
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 1: franchise tag on a player. The Colts have two players

2111
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 1: that are in the front line of discussion with this.

2112
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 2: We've seen Kyle Pitts in Atlanta receive the franchise tag today.

2113
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 2: Breeze Hall of the New York Jets running back franchise

2114
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 2: tagged Kenneth Walker. The third will not be tagged with Seattle,

2115
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 2: and I think there's one more that I'm missing out.

2116
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:16,280
Speaker 1: The As for the Colts, we and here's what we anticipate, Okay,

2117
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:22,760
Speaker 1: expectation is this, with Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce both

2118
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 1: having expiring contracts, the Colts could tag one. They cannot

2119
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 1: tag both. You can tag up player, and you can

2120
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 1: do it under a level of designation. A franchise tag

2121
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:43,880
Speaker 1: just simply a tag, meaning that the player is paid.

2122
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: In this case, for the quarterback, it would be just

2123
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 1: over forty three million dollars for the year that goes up.

2124
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:53,919
Speaker 1: Each year that you bring them back. If you continue

2125
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 1: to tag them at the receiver position, that amount is

2126
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 1: like twenty eight or twenty seven point eight or twenty

2127
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 1: eight million. Theoretically, it would be in the best interest

2128
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:11,440
Speaker 1: of the Colts to tag Alec Pierce. Both are critically

2129
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 1: important towards the Colts moving forward. Both you would want

2130
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 1: to have on the roster, and one of the two,

2131
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:25,560
Speaker 1: that being Jones, plays a position that is probably harder

2132
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,680
Speaker 1: to go out and replicate in terms of an immediate replacement,

2133
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:33,400
Speaker 1: not to take anything, not to take something away, from

2134
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 1: Alec Pearce. He's a wonderful player and had a really

2135
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 1: big year. But if Pierce is not there, you still

2136
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 1: have Pittman, you still have Downs, you still have Ashton Nolan,

2137
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:46,760
Speaker 1: you still have Jonathan Taylor, you still have Tyler Warren,

2138
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: you have pieces. You take Daniel Jones out of the equation,

2139
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 1: and sure you can go back to Anthony Richardson and say, yeah,

2140
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: we were just kidding about that, Go ahead and seek

2141
02:03:56,600 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 1: a trade thing, not to mention we still don't know

2142
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:03,280
Speaker 1: what kind of player. Anthony Richardson is crazy as that

2143
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 1: sounds at this point, and so it that experiment seemingly

2144
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 1: is over. And if Jones goes into a situation where

2145
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 1: you let him go into free agency and he pulls

2146
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: a Miles Turner and just goes, you know what, legal

2147
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 1: tampering took place and I talked to Minnesota and I

2148
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:26,720
Speaker 1: really like it up there and Sinara, then they're really

2149
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 1: in a world to hurt. So the reality is, from

2150
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, it makes more sense to tag Alec

2151
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:41,760
Speaker 1: Pierce because you would just be going ahead and paying

2152
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:45,560
Speaker 1: market value anyway, maybe even lower than what he would

2153
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,040
Speaker 1: get in an annual per year on the new contract

2154
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:51,000
Speaker 1: of what he's seeking, So that would make sense from

2155
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 1: that standpoint, except for and you can bet that the

2156
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 1: Colts were desperately trying to get a deal done with

2157
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, so that that was taken care of, then

2158
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 1: you go and you tag Alec Pierce and so now, okay,

2159
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:14,800
Speaker 1: we're in a good situation here. We have our receiver

2160
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:17,080
Speaker 1: that we're not even we're paying what we were going

2161
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 1: to have to pay anyway if we were to resign

2162
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,880
Speaker 1: him to a multi year deal. And we've already re

2163
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:23,560
Speaker 1: signed Daniel Jones, and we know what that number is,

2164
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:27,480
Speaker 1: we know what cap space we have. But as of

2165
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:29,440
Speaker 1: right now, they have not been able to come too

2166
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:33,240
Speaker 1: said agreement with Daniel Jones. And depending on who you ask,

2167
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 1: there is still a pretty decent chasm between Daniel Jones

2168
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:43,800
Speaker 1: asking price and the Colts offering price.

2169
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 2: And we talked about this yesterday, jac It's because Jones

2170
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 2: has all the leverage right now. He has all of

2171
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 2: it despite the fact he's coming off at torn Achilles.

2172
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:58,080
Speaker 1: Correct, You're right, because it is literally, I mean, the

2173
02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: market for free agent quarterback is not strong. That's why

2174
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 1: not only does he hold that leverage over the Colts,

2175
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,440
Speaker 1: but there are you know, he's going to have other

2176
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:13,240
Speaker 1: suitors and he knows that now. The reason also that

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02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, as I talked about earlier, I really truly

2178
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 1: believe this. Adam Schefter has reported along with Stephen Holder,

2179
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 1: that the Colts are preparing to place the tag on

2180
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, and that means they probably will be overpaying

2181
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, but it keeps him in the building for

2182
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:43,120
Speaker 1: another year and gives them time to work something out.

2183
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 1: Then they have to turn around and hope that that

2184
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 1: having Daniel Jones in the building is the piece. Keep

2185
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 1: in mind Alec Pierce had said that's going to go

2186
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 1: a long way. Getting Alec Pearce to buy in is

2187
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,800
Speaker 1: largely contingent upon it would seem makeing sure that Daniel

2188
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:06,840
Speaker 1: Jones is here. But the other thing that comes into

2189
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:09,880
Speaker 1: play for all of this that impacts the Colts is

2190
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,800
Speaker 1: Seattle winning the Super Bowl. And I truly believe this

2191
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:18,000
Speaker 1: because Seattle won the Super Bowl was Sam Darnald. They

2192
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:21,800
Speaker 1: didn't win it with Josh Allen running for one hundred

2193
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 1: and ten yards and two critical first downs and throwing

2194
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 1: for three hundred eight yards and three touchdowns. They didn't

2195
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:31,520
Speaker 1: win it with Patrick Mahomes dancing around and defying time

2196
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:35,640
Speaker 1: and throwing while the heat's coming for a thirty eight

2197
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 1: yard touchdown in the back of the end zone to

2198
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:43,520
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce. They didn't win it with Matthew Stafford lasering

2199
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 1: the ball over the middle and finding three different receivers

2200
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 1: on three consecutive fourth down and long plays that he converted.

2201
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 1: They did it with Sam Darnald, who was a solid

2202
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: player that had a solid year and had two really good, serviceable,

2203
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,720
Speaker 1: dynamic backs behind him, a game changing in space and

2204
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:10,720
Speaker 1: behind the defense receiver and a guy who was savvy

2205
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:13,680
Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup to throw to as well, and a

2206
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: really good defense that kept them in games. And so

2207
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 1: that increases the number of teams that would find Daniel

2208
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,880
Speaker 1: Jones to be of value to them because they look

2209
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 1: at it and they say, if Darnold did that with Seattle,

2210
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: then all we need is a Daniel Jones. That's number

2211
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 1: one of what may have increased the value for Daniel Jones.

2212
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,920
Speaker 1: Number two that might have increased his value is the

2213
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:43,200
Speaker 1: fact that he got hurt and his year ended right

2214
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 1: after he started to kind of get exposed, and he

2215
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:49,800
Speaker 1: was playing at a very high level. And then they

2216
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:53,360
Speaker 1: go in to face Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh brings all the

2217
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 1: heat in the kitchen sink, and they get right in

2218
02:08:55,720 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 1: his face, and all of a sudden, Jacob Marley and

2219
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:05,160
Speaker 1: the ghost of Christmas past shows up, and Daniel Jones

2220
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:08,160
Speaker 1: starts seeing those ghosts on the field and starts hearing

2221
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 1: those footsteps, and he starts rushing it and making bad

2222
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 1: decisions and reverting back into the Daniel Jones that allowed

2223
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:17,680
Speaker 1: the New York Jets or excuse me, the New York

2224
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:26,680
Speaker 1: Giants to find him expendable. And so because we did

2225
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:30,000
Speaker 1: not see whether that was the anomaly or becoming the

2226
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,720
Speaker 1: steady norm, people forget about that. And does that mean

2227
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,200
Speaker 1: the Colts are getting ready to buy into and buy

2228
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:41,040
Speaker 1: something because they believed in the recruiting visit Guy as

2229
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 1: opposed to the reality once you get down there and

2230
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: practice starts in Guy, we'll see that. Time remains will

2231
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:52,760
Speaker 1: tell us that. But I do think that the Colts

2232
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 1: have now found out that Daniel Jones is expecting that

2233
02:09:57,080 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 1: there might be more teams that are suitors of his

2234
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:03,000
Speaker 1: than just Indianapolis, and so therefore he didn't just sign

2235
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:06,160
Speaker 1: the first offer or second offer they pushed across the

2236
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:10,320
Speaker 1: table or agreed to it, and because of that reason,

2237
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 1: they're going to have to tag him. And by doing that,

2238
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 1: that's totally cool, and I get it. And they're going

2239
02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:16,920
Speaker 1: to overpay a little bit for the first year on it,

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Speaker 1: and then I think he probably does extend. Now it's

2241
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:23,280
Speaker 1: possible this may work out for the Colts where they

2242
02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:26,520
Speaker 1: give Daniel Jones the franchise tag and he comes out

2243
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:28,280
Speaker 1: and it looks like the Daniel Jones of the New

2244
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:31,000
Speaker 1: York Giants, and the Colts say, thank goodness, we only

2245
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 1: lock this in for a year, and then they go

2246
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 1: out and you're back to square one.

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02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 2: Here's the other problem, Jake. It seems very likely between

2248
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,919
Speaker 2: Stephen Holder and Adam Schefter's reporting that it's the transition

2249
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 2: tag that they apply on Daniel Jones, and that's thirty

2250
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,400
Speaker 2: seven point eight million, whereas if it was the non

2251
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:52,360
Speaker 2: exclusive or the exclusive franchise tag, it would be pretty

2252
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 2: much forty four million dollars. So you're getting a seven

2253
02:10:56,360 --> 02:11:01,680
Speaker 2: million dollar discount. But as I noted earlier with Alec Pearce,

2254
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 2: why would Daniel Jones want to try to hash out

2255
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 2: a deal before Monday? Like is there a team out

2256
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,720
Speaker 2: there that may have a better opportunity for him? I

2257
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 2: get he had a lot of success. You're with the Colts,

2258
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 2: but you're you have the ability to negotiate with other

2259
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,720
Speaker 2: teams if they put the transition tag on you. And

2260
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 2: if that's the case, why why would I sign something now?

2261
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:28,560
Speaker 2: And let me see what someone else is willing to offer?

2262
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: Totally agree?

2263
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:32,240
Speaker 2: Is somebody willing to go and be the Indiana Pacers

2264
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 2: to the to the Phoenix Suns and give Daniel Jones,

2265
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 2: let's say forty one million. The Colt's gonna pone you

2266
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 2: up and match that offer sheet. And now it leads

2267
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:45,000
Speaker 2: this door open where you just let both of them walk.

2268
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:48,280
Speaker 1: Right, the Indiana Pacers to the Milwaukee Bucks. What if

2269
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 1: so many Miles Turners it right comes in and says, look,

2270
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 1: we'll give you right now, We'll give you three year

2271
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty five million. I mean, that's absurd,

2272
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 1: but you never know, right.

2273
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:00,840
Speaker 2: Because it's reported that John Up and Glennard, one of

2274
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:04,480
Speaker 2: the d dressers in Minnesota, is up for trade and

2275
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 2: he's twenty two million a year. That's twenty two million

2276
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 2: against the cap that they can open up correct. By

2277
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 2: getting rid of that contract makes you wonder, doesn't it. Yeah,

2278
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:15,360
Speaker 2: things that make you go. Jmv's in the building.

2279
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:16,840
Speaker 1: We will do the crossover, brought to you by the

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Speaker 1: good guys that love heating in air Love dash HBAC

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Speaker 1: dot com is the website three one seven the telephone number.

2282
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:29,240
Speaker 1: We'll find out what John's got cooking next. Got a

2283
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:31,200
Speaker 1: decent show line up for tomorrow as well? Correct?

2284
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Terry Morin hopefully tomorrow, the coach of

2285
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:37,720
Speaker 2: the IU women's team as they begin the Women's Big

2286
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 2: Ten Tournament tomorrow afternoon and dam downtown Indianapolis will join

2287
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:45,680
Speaker 2: us even though it is a game day. Ryan Caller

2288
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 2: will join us. Try to lock up Julie ericson tomorrow

2289
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,600
Speaker 2: to make sense of the whole decision that the Colts

2290
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:56,000
Speaker 2: will make here in about an hour or so. Tomorrow's Wednesday, right, uh,

2291
02:12:56,040 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 2: humpday Wednesday?

2292
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:59,080
Speaker 1: Yes? You ever have one of those days where you

2293
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:03,000
Speaker 1: wake up and like the first half of the day,

2294
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:04,680
Speaker 1: you're completely thrown off on what day of the week

2295
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:04,960
Speaker 1: it is?

2296
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Should we also get somebody from the that covers

2297
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 2: the LA Clippers.

2298
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't be bad. I'd like to see how

2299
02:13:12,120 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 1: Matherin's doing.

2300
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sirs and Clippers tomorrow night ten thirty tip you

2301
02:13:18,440 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 2: look forward to that, right, Oh yes, I always love

2302
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:23,720
Speaker 2: a good ten thirty to ten o'clock pre game.

2303
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. The good news is with the post games that

2304
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 1: run late. Like that is Eddie White's understanding of brevity.

2305
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 2: Right, excuse me, okay, anyway understands brevity.

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02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:38,760
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm wearing my new watch today and

2307
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:41,040
Speaker 1: you told me that you think it's too flat? Would

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02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:41,520
Speaker 1: you say? No?

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02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:43,640
Speaker 2: I said it was a little flashy because we've got

2310
02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:46,760
Speaker 2: all these studio lights and everything, and it's it's fresh,

2311
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:50,920
Speaker 2: so all these lights reflect off of it. I'm just

2312
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,360
Speaker 2: catches my eye. I'm a little like half and half

2313
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:55,960
Speaker 2: on it, and like it's so it catches my eye

2314
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 2: to the point that I totally forgot that you're wearing

2315
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 2: the Revere the Riviera clup shirt.

2316
02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the Rivy shirt because article in the paper

2317
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:09,560
Speaker 1: about the Rivy over off of Kessler in Illinois. They're

2318
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:15,240
Speaker 1: asking they need more contribution from the members. Now, I'm

2319
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:18,400
Speaker 1: not a member of the Rivy, but I worked there

2320
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 1: in college. It was a great job. I worked at

2321
02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:23,440
Speaker 1: the beach stand and it was so much fun. I mean,

2322
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, all the neighborhood kids from the Murdering Kessler

2323
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,120
Speaker 1: area that would come through there, and I'd make grilled

2324
02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:32,440
Speaker 1: cheeses for them and hot ham and cheese, and you know,

2325
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:36,560
Speaker 1: they said that. I guess financially they're struggling a little bit.

2326
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:39,200
Speaker 1: It's a massive pool. Back in the day when I

2327
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 1: had the dive tank and the huge water slide, it

2328
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 1: was awesome. But I think, Eddie, part of the reason

2329
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 1: why they might be a little behind financially is because

2330
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:49,280
Speaker 1: they're now crunching the numbers on the number of chicken

2331
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 1: sandwiches that I paid eight but didn't necessarily pay for

2332
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:55,680
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety four, I d

2333
02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 1: like seven hundred and fifty a days. Theoretically it was awesome, though,

2334
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Speaker 1: great job JMV has arrived, John, what's on the big program?

2335
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:03,120
Speaker 1: I am here.

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02:15:03,160 --> 02:15:10,320
Speaker 4: We've got to follow UH franchise tagging, transitional tagging, future contracts,

2337
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:15,360
Speaker 4: long term deals. I said yesterday, this has to be

2338
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:18,600
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, easier than the way that it sounds,

2339
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 4: because if you end up messing this up and somebody

2340
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:23,160
Speaker 4: doesn't return.

2341
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:25,280
Speaker 1: Why are any of you here? No question.

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Speaker 4: I would have to ask my question, because you don't

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Speaker 4: need the coach or the general manager or really anybody

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Speaker 4: if you don't have the quarterback. And if you don't

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Speaker 4: have the quarterback, you don't need the wide receiver. And

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Speaker 4: I think we could just go we don't have the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you've retained the wide receiver. I

2348
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Speaker 4: don't know why you yeah, And to me, I think

2349
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Speaker 4: the wide receiver makes the quarterback. He can't go down

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Speaker 4: the field without the wide receiver being able to stretch

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Speaker 4: the field for him. So why are you jacking with

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Speaker 4: any of this? If this can't be etchton Stone?

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Speaker 1: Right? Doesn't it feel like and I'm not saying this

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Speaker 1: is the case, John, and I'm not trying to pile

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Speaker 1: on but it, but I will. It does feel like

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Speaker 1: they did not have foresight on all of this.

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Speaker 4: I cannot imagine they didn't as messed up as this

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Speaker 4: has been, as top level mediocre that has had to

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Speaker 4: have been celebrated. How are you not prepared, especially going

2360
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Speaker 4: into what you know for everybody is going to be

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Speaker 4: I would guess I would hope a final season or

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Speaker 4: might with the ownership situation, they're being a you think

2363
02:16:26,440 --> 02:16:29,520
Speaker 4: somebody's pulling on the purse strings a little bit tighter

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Speaker 4: then why they might have.

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Speaker 1: Been in the past. I think that's entirely possible, right

2366
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Speaker 1: because I'm and I'm alone on this island, it would seem.

2367
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Speaker 1: But I am still I'm the last holdout on this.

2368
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Speaker 1: But until they come out and say we definitively now

2369
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Speaker 1: are prepared to say that there is no possibility of

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Speaker 1: any transfer da dada whatever else from a monetary inheritance standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I'm still convinced that we can't rule out the possibility

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Speaker 1: that there is money that needs to be had into

2373
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:03,160
Speaker 1: or saved in different areas for taxes and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced of that. I might be alone on that,

2375
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Speaker 1: but I'm still convinced.

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Speaker 4: I think you could make an argument that the reason

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Speaker 4: why you bring everything back is because you're new to

2378
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:17,400
Speaker 4: it now and because your father that had run everything

2379
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:22,199
Speaker 4: up until the point of basically of his passing did

2380
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:25,760
Speaker 4: and you're just trying to I soak everything. I do

2381
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:29,120
Speaker 4: get that portion of it, but at some point, to

2382
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:31,680
Speaker 4: continue to go down this path where you know that

2383
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:33,840
Speaker 4: it hasn't worked to the level where it needs to

2384
02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:38,440
Speaker 4: it does scream all right. We're more concerned about the

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02:17:38,440 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 4: finances than we are anything else right here. And believe me,

2386
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 4: there are fans out there that sures hell don't want

2387
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Speaker 4: to hear that. So rayfel Davis, you asked, did network

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02:17:48,640 --> 02:17:51,320
Speaker 4: the former Boilermaker Ray Straw is going to join us

2389
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Speaker 4: to a lot of other stuff. I'm sure we'll have

2390
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:57,000
Speaker 4: some news regarding the Colts or lack thereof, regarding the

2391
02:17:57,040 --> 02:18:01,039
Speaker 4: transition tag, the franchise tag, and tag you're it.

2392
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Speaker 1: Did you play tag when you were growing up and

2393
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:07,000
Speaker 1: we freeze tag? We played play Freeze the Flag? Yeah,

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02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:10,680
Speaker 1: I remember, I do remember free freeze tag a little

2395
02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 1: over an hour before the tag has to be placed

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Speaker 1: if it's going to John will have it all covered with.

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Speaker 4: Such a bunch of nerds for like putting the timetable

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Speaker 4: on a big deadline on that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's the NFL schedule. Though right after that it's

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02:18:23,560 --> 02:18:26,879
Speaker 1: like here we go deadline for schedule release day. John's

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Speaker 1: up next. We back with noon tomorrow. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to Quarry Company.